Buck Naked Sr

this one is a hot potato

Well, if Scalia and Thomas would stop using those black robes as straight jackets they wouldn't be so restricted.

black robes there is the race card, what is your stance on afirmative action, let me guess.........................

It certainly is a hot topic B N.Sr

At what point in our history will we actually be the "land of the free" where every man/woman has an equal chance to achieve what they want regardless of their gender/race?

Do we continue to simply let things play out? Do we continue with discrimination? Regardless of how anyone looks at it the way affirmative action can help, it also is discriminatory. Anyone denied a job, housing, education or whatever based on their race/gender has been discriminated against even if it was with the best interest of certain people.

How would any of you feel if you got better grades, scored higher on the entrance exams and were denied acceptance to a university because a certain quota had to be filled? How would you feel about not getting a job when you are the most qualified because the company had to be more diverse?

This issue is a two edged sword that can hurt as many as it helps.

black robes there is the race card, what is your stance on afirmative action, let me guess...

Well from that statement Buck we already know what your stances is. Then again we could have guess from the body of all your previous posts.

Beverly in Chicago

Didn't you know The Catholic Church invented nuns and alter boys for the express purpose of raping them?

A little known fact about the Catholic Church is that it's written down in the Vatican that the Catholic Church intends to take over the US and burn all non-Catholics at the stake before Sharia Law comes to America. :)

Gotta love the stupid comments from the bigot Bev......

Affirmative action is nothing more, or less than reverse discrimination. Why can't we just give university admissions, and good paying jobs to the people who work the hardest for them, and deserve them the most?

Oh I forgot; THIS generation of Americans knows diddly-squat about hard work. Just cry and moan long, and loud enough and someone will eventually hand it to you.

This is the "entitlement society." Hard work means NOTHING to people who can get it by pissing and moaning.

This issue is a two edged sword that can hurt as many as it helps.

I agree completely! Though I still deem it a necessity. I have worked in college admissions, and I have seen 400-500 applications come in per day all with the same qualifications. Without this so called quota system, a lot of qualified students would not get into colleges. I have witnessed those diversity decision occur daily, and without it some schools would be and could be completely race specific. When a decision is made that a school requires that at least 20% of the campus be African American, means that several hundred African American applications will be denied. When you receive 50,000 application for a freshman class of only 250 students, choices have to made. It would be completely plausible and easy to pick 250 highly qualified white students from those thousands of applicants who are mostly all highly qualified.

Some people take it to the extremely and resent it, but it is still a necessity. My favorite example is my wife, who is African, Chinese and Spanish. A Complete genius, with perfect grades and scores. Who was told that she was a godsend because with her acceptance, her graduate school was able to fill 4 quotas with one applicant. To arrive at orientation to find that she was one of three women, one of only two blacks, one of only two Hispanics and one of 3 Asians.

Hey winemaker,

Your bigoted remark is left over from the Kennedy election.

I am sure you can come up with some more hate material if you try...

But I am putting you on ignore.

Why thank you Northstar - one less libbie to deal with. So are you stating my remark about the bigoted Catholic comments made by Bev is hateful to her?

Had I made similar comments, the MSNBC Obama media SuperPac would have removed me from commenting on this site. But since Bev is a liberal blogger here and uses other names to comment, she's allowed to rant without regards to the ignorance she shows.

BongINC......Precisely! At what point will people understand that what is supposed to help some can actually do the opposite?

I don't know what state you are in but I am in CA. From the stats I have seen regarding enrollment of the state universities, "Whites" make up the majority of the student body at each state university. Asians are second with roughly 40% of what the white enrollment is. Does that mean that Asians will have to be turned away until Latino, African-American or any other group become more predominant in the student body? as the whites would be? And at what point does it stop? Should admissions be restricted to certain people until there is an equal number of all races and gender? Should it be representative of the make-up of the states population? Should it be representitive of the nations population? What is actually fair?

I have always found it unsettling that Affirmative Action sacrifices the very thing it sets out to protect... that being equality.

Unfortunately, equality has been mutated into meaning "equal numbers" rather than equal opportunity. And in order to meet those "equal numbers" discrimination occurs.

Our society is not made up of an equal number of individual in each race and religion, yet activists in this area would have us believe that we must select an equal number of each when awarding scholarships, jobs and the like. I am sorry... but this too is simply unfair.

What happened to examining each candidates qualifications and awarding these cherished prizes to those that are MOST qualified? Heaven forbid the winners should EARN their prize.

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

@BoingINC

Any suggestions on a way forward?

All writers on this post preaching equality. When will you equalize 300 years of abuse towards people of color? How about giving these people money for the 250 years of free labor that helped build this nation and white folks wealth? Then maybe affirmative action would be unnecessary since they could afford to pay their way into Harvard. Much like you can afford it after cheating them of 250 years of wages.

Yah, I hear you! Don't want to discuss the obvious. Would prefer to close your eyes to your forefathers sins and not have to make good yourselves. Shame on you!

AB: How about giving these people money for the 250 years of free labor that helped build this nation and white folks wealth?

How much do you suggest?

AB: How about giving these people money for the 250 years of free labor that helped build this nation and white folks wealth?

Sure AB, as soon as you can tell us how to compensate the dead.

Please explain "250 years of free labor to me". Cause I'm pretty sure the 14th amendment was adopted in the 1860's.

Yah, I hear you! Don't want to discuss the obvious. Would prefer to close your eyes to your forefathers sins and not have to make good yourselves. Shame on you!

Now is this true of all races who are subject Affirmative Action? I mean if your forefathers weren't actually in this country at the time of slavery are you responsible for, and can you receive, reparations? Is there a cut off year as to when your ancestors arrived that you are not responsible? Are Asian and Hispanic citizens responsible for, eligible for, reparations? What about the Irish and Italians? I know they're white but they were discriminated against. Maybe there should be a fund for those whites who were not Episcopalians in the early 1700's. I mean the crown of England discriminated against them and they helped build the country.

Or do you just want to claim eternal victim hood?

@AnaBanana...

THAT IS THE PROBLEM... You can't equalize that and why should you try? Your comment is absolutely ridiculous. No one alive today was EVER a slave... so (at the risk of sounding insensitive) get over it!

EVERY group (ethnic/religious) has suffered discrimination and prejudice at some point. Most work very hard and at great personal sacrifice, to get past it to become more. Think about it.

And regarding your comment about "giving these people money for 250 years of free labor"... Where do I start?

1. They DO receive money... its called government assistance - in the form of free food, housing, unemployment, education grants and scholarships, on and on and on...
2. How about they pay back the money for the free housing and food they received for 250 years?

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Almost ridiculous as your comment about free labor.

I will bet that at some point in your life you heard your mother say "two wrongs don't make a right." think about that as well.

---------------------------------------------------

Alan,

VERY NICELY PUT! But will fall on deaf ears, I am sure. (BTW... I am Italian and my family came here at the turn of the 20th century... Yet I STILL pay.) Go figure!

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

@Ana while that all sounds well and good in some utopian universe it is not possible. What about the Native American population. As Alan stated discrimination has impacted most ethnic groups, not just one.

How do we go forward? I have no idea! Neither does anybody else. The issue is that there is still inequality. Reparations towards African Americans? Maybe. A monetary amount is ridiculous, because there is no way to calculate the value of centuries of slave labor, and no real way to determine who should get or how much. Yes there have been other ethnic groups that were persecuted and oppressed through out American history, but only two groups that were not immigrants, who came to America willingly. Those two are the American Indian and African Americans. We could debate the differences between indentured servitude and slavery forever, but taken by force to another continent will win every time. Nobody forced the Irish or the Catholics to sell their children, to lose their culture, their language, their sense of identity, their religion or their connection to the country of their birth. How do you make amends for that? Whether your family was apart of the slave trade, own a slave or came on a boat after slavery, we have all benefited from the America built on slave labor. How do we repay the wrongs? I have no clue. Perhaps we should begin by admitting that what was done was wrong and why. That would be the starting point, an apology. Then maybe we can move on from there, so that someday we can have equality.

to sickofthebickering:

The majority of people on food stamps, welfare, disability, housing grants, on scholarship and education grants in the United States of America are in fact WHITE. The stats show that the numbers are very much in proportion with population demographics, where African Americans account for 14-17% of the population.

How is admitting students to college who are academically unprepared or unable to perform college level work any different than giving people mortgages and credit cards that they have no way to pay? Affirmative action is one of the reasons that our colleges have watered down curriculum to a lower common denominator instead of fostering excellence and expecting people to stretch and achieve at a higher level. Our entrance test scores for both ACT and SAT have been in decline for decades, and that is with the new system allowing students to take these tests multiple times until they get a score that satisfies them.

Speaking of Corporatists, I can only hope SCOTUS revisits the Citizens United atrocity.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, joined by Justice Stephen Breyer, welcomed the opportunity for the court to revisit, and potentially reverse, Citizens United. "Montana's experience, and experience elsewhere since this court's decision" in Citizens United "make it exceedingly difficult to maintain that independent expenditures by corporations 'do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption,'" Ginsburg wrote in a statement accompanying the stay order. "A petition for certiorari will give the court an opportunity to consider whether, in light of the huge sums currently deployed to buy candidates' allegiance, Citizens United should continue to hold sway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/supreme-court-montana_n_1285804.html?ref=supreme-courtay."

before anyone can comment on your quote, could you translate the Latin word certiorari, is that a snack or dessert?

Certiorari is a Latin word meaning "to be informed of, or to be made certain in regard to". It is also the name given to certain appellate proceedings for re-examination of actions of a trial court, or inferior appeals court. The U.S. Supreme Court still uses the term certiorari in the context of appeals.

Whoo hoo... Let's hear it for Google! (Nice GBM)

BTW... Why did YOU have to answer this? Can't the feisty one speak for herself?

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

Whoo hoo... Let's hear it for another mindless post by one of our favorite trolls. Thanks SOB!

It's about freakin time!

Buh Bye Buck or should I say penguin boy! lol

http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/19/10449204-whitney-houston-laid-to-rest?last=1329847837&threadId=3349899&sp=100&pc=25#c62682823

I warned you, your days were numbered! ;o)

devie

Whoo hoo... Let's hear it for another mindless post by one of our favorite trolls. Thanks SOB!

Whoo hoo! I am one of the FAVORITE trolls! HAHAHAHA!

Don't I just feel SO SPECIAL - hearing that from someone that posts SO MANY intellectually stimulating comments herself! HAHAHAHAH

Thanks devie! (BTW... I cast the 5th vote for you!)

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

Hey thanks SOB but you've got my gender all wrong.

If all men actually believed that and acted on their beliefs that all men (and women!) were created equal, we would never have needed them.

If all Men are created equal, than why do we have quotas?

Because Jason Lin was cut from two NBA teams before getting the chance, just the chance, to show what he could do.

and I am sure his performance had NOTHING to do with him being cut

So do tell Amy, have you read the scouting reports on Jeremy Lins tryouts/play with the other two teams?

I have.

Do you honestly think, a team in the the NBA...THE NBA...would not keep a player that could help them due to his race?

Or maybe Lin is what Dick Vitale calls a Prime Time Player?

Many players practice poorly and try-out poorly, but shine when they turn on the lights.

But I'm sure you either coached or played Basketball at least at the college level, so you already understand this, Right?

That's easy. Because all men aren't treated equally in our society.

That being said, I believe the purpose of such quotas is to rectify past inequalities, and should hopefully be implemented as temporary measures. The question for the court is: Has enough changed in America to render Affirmative Action no longer necessary?

Buck, WCA,

Amy's point is that given a chance to shine he rose to the occasion and most people do if they are given one also.

WCA - ... have you read the scouting reports on Jeremy Lins tryouts/play with the other two teams?

WCA - Lin played in the summer leagues for the Dallas Mavericks and was making a splash big time. Mavs owner Mark Cuban wanted to sign him but he went to Golden State because former Maverick coach now with GS convinced him to stay near family members in California.

Also, consider that the Mavs were looking to sign guard Delonte West. They had two young guards one being a first rounder on the team already. In addition they had future NBA hall of famer Jason Kidd running point. At shooting guard you had Jason (Jet) Terry, he who rained in 3's over Lebron's outstretched arms in the Finals.

Lin not making it in Dallas was just a roster deal, tough circumstances not discrimination in any way. Can't say what happend in GS, but in New York he stepped up when called upon. With the injuries and lackluster play by NY guards he more than won his starting spot.

Lin got the better of Dallas on Sunday, icing the game by scoring over Nowitzki and stealing and then dunking on Lamar Oden. Wasn't mad to see my Mavs loose to Lin.

Great, great story. People need to evaluate him as a basketball player and point guard and not purely on his ethnicity. As the basketball player he is, I know that is how Lin wants to be evaluated and judged.

that is great devie, but sports is about evaluating talent not giving someone the job because of their skin color.

Amy B. Portland, ME

If all Men are created equal, than why do we have quotas?

.........."Because Jason Lin was cut from two NBA teams before getting the chance, just the chance, to show what he could do. .........."

(Shaking my head)....it's JEREMY Lin!

Not JASON Lin. .....LOL

....and 5 people "liked" it! UNBELIEVABLE!

Haaaaa

Just goes to show you how sheep follow Bev, Amy, Fisty, and the rest of the FR minions.

Oh, shoot, and I was so proud I could use a sport analogy.

But seriously, how great is that Lin guy? I watched some clips of his playing and he was awesome.

Thanks for the breakdown Mark.

There is so much that goes into a player making an NBA roster, especially Salary Cap and Playing Time, that to even consider ethinicity to me is beyond absurd.

The GS reports I read and heard about were that Lin just didn't play well enough. Hard to believe with the level of his play now, but sometimes the pressure can get to these guys trying to make a team. That is why I hate the NFL Combines.

With the Anthony injury he was forced into duty and stepped up. Heard that Anthony returned last night and they got beat. Didn't hear any specifics.

A great story. I'm sure the "Made for TeeVee" Movie deal is already in the works.

People need to evaluate him as a basketball player and point guard and not purely on his ethnicity. As the basketball player he is, I know that is how Lin wants to be evaluated and judged.

Of course he does and so does anyone who has had the aid of Affirmative Action to get into school but when you don't get the exposure to the things that the kids from suburbia do you need a hand up. They just want a chance to reach for the brass ring.

Hey devie, Jeremy Lin went to Harvard.

He maintained a 4.2 GPA in High School.

In fact he got zero atheletic scholarship offers out of High School.

He earned his chance. Nobody gave it to him.

I'm not even an NBA fan but I'll say it...

Jeremy Lin > Tim Tebow

Why is Jeremy Lin greater than Tim Tebow Noid?

I am conflicted on affirmative action. Believe me I know the difference between the barrio and the burbs. I think in this day and age I believe that a leveling of the playing field is ok. Due to environmental, cultural and economic disparities, I don't see why it is wrong for a small portion of their entrance review, along with grades, test scores, abilities and activities to play a part in the acceptance process. Not talking to anyone in particular so try not to take offense.

As a Latino, I bristle when people assume that the only reason I got somewhere was through special treatment or a special break.

I don't begrudge others who believe differently just my opinion. While no man is an island or can do it all on their own I don't need a hand out. I remember my dad saying you better be twice as good as anyone else if you want to make it. Although it wasn't the Ivy league, far from it, I took my dad's words to heart and earned a full ride scholarship.

devie

Buck, WCA,

Amy's point is that given a chance to shine he rose to the occasion and most people do if they are given one also.

Once again... GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE!

What's wrong with EARNING your chance?

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

YD Mark: I remember my dad saying you better be twice as good as anyone else if you want to make it. Although it wasn't the Ivy league, far from it, I took my dad's words to heart and earned a full ride scholarship

It sounds like we come from different backgrounds Mark, but my Dad said the same thing to me.

Whatever one's background, those that are willing to work twice as hard to get ahead, are, for the most part, going to succeed.

Sounds to me like we need more Dad's like yours and mine today.

He earned his chance. Nobody gave it to him.

WCA, Again the point isn't about Jeremy Lin that Amy was making. I know he went to Harvard and that he was passed over by two other NBA teams and an injury to a key player before the Knicks gave him a shot. The point is when someone has a chance to make it they usually do. Stop being a dope your point is pointless and you have a heart of stone.

What's wrong with EARNING your chance?

First you need the chance to earn it. Nice one SOB. You just don't get it and never will.

White Collar Auto

Why is Jeremy Lin greater than Tim Tebow Noid?

Cause Noid is trying to display his tolerance and political correctness for another race and show how big and tolerant one can be when one thinks it will get brownie points.

Why is Jeremy Lin greater than Tim Tebow Noid?

Because Lin, unlike Tebow, can actually play his position.

If Jeremy Lin were Tim Tebow, he'd be playing in a slow, watered-down offense that catered to his limited ability. He'd be shooting 3-10 and getting about 4 assists. The defense would be keeping the Knicks in the game and then Lin would hit a big shot at the end of the game to win and people would be telling us how great Lin was based on that one shot.

The Knicks have given Lin the ball and let him do his thing...and he's produced.

Cause Noid is trying to display his tolerance and political correctness for another race and show how big and tolerant one can be when one thinks it will get brownie points.

Lin could be green with pink polka dots and it wouldn't make a difference...kid can play.

So how about choking and turning over the ball 9 times on Friday night. Tebow moment?

devie

...SOB. You just don't get it and never will.

You are right, devie... and I hope I NEVER do!

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

Thanks for replying noid.

I happen to agree with you.

Also terribly tired with the notion of "paying for past inequities" I was not a party to the enslavement of any person or group. I was neither a slave, nor owned one. My family didn't arrive in this country until the time of the Civil War and at that time, one of the roads to citizenship was military service......I know the exact location of many family military markers dating from the Civil War and service to the union army, against slavery. I don't owe anyone, anything-nor do they owe me. The whole point to the United States was the freedom to come and work to achieve dreams, but work is an integral component, a value that seems to be lost in a society that wants all the toys, but doesn't want to pay the credit card bill at the end of the month.

Isn't it though? What happen to judging each case on it's merit?

Well let's get back to the economy....

Evidently, Gallop didn't get the message that they have to lie about the phoney economic recovery the Obama propaganda machine has started to drive.

(CNSNews.com) – Unemployment in the U.S. rose to nine percent in mid-February, up from 8.3 percent a month earlier, according to a new Gallup survey. The polling company said this suggests that it is “premature” to assume the economy will not feature prominently in the 2012 election season.

Gallup figures typically provide an indication of what the government will report at the end of the month

Get ready everybody. The next soundbite from Obama and the propaganda machine is that as unemployment heads to 9% or higher is that it's a sign that things are really getting better.

I crap you not. You heard it here first!

Obama will be well into his second career as a paid speaker by the time the decision comes down.

In your dreams njnb. The GOTP hasn't got a viable candidate... and you and the rest of the RWNJs know it.

Obama/Biden 2012

Rob,

the always-spin-Left "First Read" headlines are being prepped already:

"Obama Team Pleased Employment Rate at 91%"

"Obama's Secret Plan for More Unemployment Compensation To Stimulate Economy"

"Bush-Depression leads to 9.5% Unemployment Rate Four Years Later"

Bob..........here we are, three (3) years after Obama took office, and unemployment is HIGHER than it was when he was inaugurated, we're STILL in Afghanistan, health insurance costs are going through the ceiling (because insurance companies are raising their rates and their deductibles in order to get their money back before Obama-care kicks in), the national debt is going up at a record pace, certain aspects of the military budget are being cut, and economically this country is worse off than it was at anytime other than the great depression.

Yet, MSNBC, Chris Mathews, Bill Mahr, and the media in general act like this guy is the best thing since the invention of fire. They NEVER call him out on any of the lies that he and his supporters constantly tell. They constantly nit-pick at anyone who challenges him, especially republican candidates, and no matter how bad things get, they allow him and his followers top sound off as if he's singlehandedly saving the US from disaster.

BULL@!$%#! He's CREATING disaster, and we need to vote him out of office before he completely crashes the economy, and leaves our children and their children with deficits they will have to pay back for generations to come.

Actually Guys, there is a QUALITY candidate ready willing and quite able to take Obama on through to November......

You ALL Know his name, the only candidate that strikes FEAR into the hearts of all Democrats

RON PAUL!!!

I would just love to see Obama run a campaign against the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and The Forefathers of this great country! ;-) (I would like to see any politician run such a campaign, or the media cover it in favor of and against Dr Paul, wouldn't that be a kick!)

what does sunbathing have to do with the subject of the article?

By making the comment that the country has to "become more brown" you are in essence putting one group as more important than another which is not equality.

baldeagle11

yes, let's get back to the topic of the article.

It sems to me, if universities can reserve a certain number of slots for the offspring of alumni, then they can reserve some slots for students they think will benefit the institution by providing some kind of diversity.

When schools and work places admit/hire based upon anything but merit, the effect is to water down this nation.That is why we are in decline. All citizens of the US should be insulted by a system that promotes mediocrity. Lets stop making excuses for each pother and lets start demanding the best performance from our society. Mediocrity breeds the nanny state. The nanny state breeds the loss of freedoms.

And just how does your perceived diversity benefit the institutions?

King K, you are assuming just because race is considered, they are admitting mediocre students. I think these instituitions are just looking for qualified students who happen to belong to groups under represented in the student body. I'm sure schools recruit student athletes to improve their sports programs, and recruit people from different parts of the country and different economic levels, to get a greater mix in the student body, which enriches everyone's educational experience. The schools also play a role in our society, of helping minority populations move their brightest members up the ladder, which benefits everybody, in the end.

You do realize that as long as we have to use the word 'diversity', then we are no closer to a color blind society than we were 50 years ago. Every single human being should be considered individually, by what they contribute, how they contribute-having X number of this or Y number of that does not insure anything. By pushing "diversity" we are still drawing distinctions among ourselves. It highlights differences instead of putting them in the background. And while we are talking about it.....for all you die hard "separation of church and state types" diversity cannot and should not include the distinction of being Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or any other faith base whatsoever. Burning of a religous book should have no impact and not even be newsworthy.

But he sure has learned how to work the political speaker circuit oh and get his wife a cushy job.

I seem to remember a quotation about how you could suspect a quiet man of being stupid, but the loudmouth opened his mouth and proved it. Each justice submits a written essay that explains their position based upon the law and the constitution and their processes for reaching that conclusion. It isn't really necessary to be chatty and deliver and intelligent evaluation in writing.

BongINC,

I think the problem arises from the assumption that minorities cannot be as smart as, or have the opportunities as white kids. That assumption is proof by itself of inequality, and it is very much untrue. When I worked in college admissions we would bet on how many sames we would get a given day. Sames are applications where all the numbers are exactly the same, SAT, GPA, number of extracurriculars. On a day when we will receive 500 applications, we could get 100-150 sames from all genders and ethnicity's.

I personally think the problem can be solved in a very simple way...

First Come, First Served!

Eliminate all reference to race, economic position, geographic location, and any or all other groupings the government can come up with. First one in the door with the highest qualifications gets first selection. End of question.

But that is how it works today isn't it?

So really it's the ones where all the vital statistics match, then it's simple the first in the door gets the nod. If he or she decides to go to another school, then the second one in the door gets the nod. You keep going down the list until the class is full.

What's not fair about that?

First Come, First Served!

The problem with that is that there are very limited amounts of open positions at American Universities. There are simply not enough colleges and universities to adopt that policy. When you have 200,000 applications a year, for a freshman class that can only hold 250 students, it would be like playing the lottery.

But yet it happens every single day.....