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President Barack Obama gives a speech Feb. 17, 2012 on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner assembly line in Everett, Washington. Obama's visit included a tour of the plant and fundraisers elsewhere in the Puget Sound.
EVERETT, Wash. – With a giant 787 Dreamliner jet as his backdrop, President Obama said the government needs to do more to spur American manufacturing exports as Boeing has with its planes.
In his last appearance on a three-day trip, Obama unveiled a set of new proposals aimed at giving American manufacturers a better competitive edge against foreign companies.
"We've gotta make sure we're making it easier for companies like Boeing to create jobs here at home and sell our products abroad," Obama said, addressing workers at Boeing's cavernous plant in Everett, Wash., noting that "business is booming" for the company, which hired 13,000 people nationwide last year.
Several of Obama's new initiatives would be funded through the Import-Export bank, which Congress authorized to continue lending up to $100 billion to businesses through May 2012. But the White House contends that the bank could hit that limit as early as the end of March because of "unprecedented demands for export financing in recent years."
Friday, Obama urged Congress to reauthorize the bank's authority, noting that it would fund, among others, a new program that would finance small businesses looking to increase exports.
"That's why it's so important for Congress to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank," Obama said, noting that its director, Fred Hochburg, was in the audience. "It helps companies like Boeing, as well as thousands of small businesses."
While Obama urged Congress to act on his new proposals, he praised lawmakers for passing today an extension of the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance, a bill that had been met with strong opposition from House and Senate Republicans.
"I want to thank Congress for listening to the voices of the American people," he said. "It is amazing what happens when Congress focuses on doing the right thing instead of just playing politics."
"This was a good example, and Congress should take pride in it."
Before he spoke today, Obama toured the Boeing plant and the Dreamliner jet, at one point marveling at a feature that darkens the cabin's no-shade windows at the turn of a switch.
"This is pretty spiffy," Obama said to the group of Boeing executives, employees and reporters that accompanied him on the tour.
During the speech, Obama seemed to refer to the Dreamliner as an example of what government-funded research can produce, noting that the plane was first designed using virtual technology that was developed by NASA.
"Government research helped to create this plane," he said.
President Obama's appearance at the plant comes just weeks after the National Labor Relations Board withdrew a 10-month complaint against Boeing after it relocated a plant from Seattle, to South Carolina, a right-to-work state.
The NLRB had claimed Boeing had moved the facility "to retaliate for past strikes and chill future strike activity," but dropped its complaint in December after the Boeing union, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, agreed to a four-year contract extension stipulating that Boeing builds its 737 MAX jet in Washington.
The flap played heavily into the Republican presidential primary, especially in South Carolina, where candidates routinely slammed the NLRB's lawsuit as an infringement of state sovereignty.
In the run-up to the first-in-the-South's Jan. 21 primary, Mitt Romney released an ad calling Obama's NLRB appointees "union stooges."
"The National Labor Relations Board, now stacked with union stooges selected by the president, says to a free enterprise like Boeing, 'You can't build a factory in South Carolina because South Carolina is a right-to-work state.' That is simply un-American," Romney said in the ad, released Jan. 5.
Despite the recent political controversy surrounding Boeing's labor issues, the White House insisted that Obama's trip here today had nothing to do with the recently-settled NLRB dispute.
"This trip has everything to do with the president's focus on manufacturing and on increasing our exports and nothing to do" with the issue, press secretary Jay Carney said Thursday.
After the speech, President Obama was scheduled to appear at two campaign events in Seattle; the last of eight fundraisers scheduled during his three-day trip.


Keep fighting for job while the Tea-Baggers fight against women's rights! Take away tax breaks for companies shipping jobs over seas!
President Obama 2012
Did he happen to mention that his cuts in Defence Spending will cost Boeing about 100 Billion Dollars over the next 10 years and that layoffs are coming......and did he happen to mention that his former favorite company Caterpillar ( the company that had to layoff workers right after Obama's speech praising them)....well Caterpillar just announced moving a plant from CANADA to Muncie, Indiana 2 weeks after it became a Right-to-Work State....and Caterpillar is building another new plant in Georgia...another Right-to-Work State ?????.....And that Boeing won the battle at the NLRB....the new plant in South Carolina the NLRB tried to keep from opening...is now up and running .....
Mike---I would say by your info that the administration " Not Obama personally since these departments have alot of leeway,he just hires with approval and fires with reason the secrataries" aren't out to help the unions so much..Since you showed us all the openings in right-to-work states which to me means the company has a right to treat you like a wal-mart employee and you can't use the democratic way of organizing, or not effectively anyway...Unions are not enemies to anybody but rich people....Unions are people negotiating for a better working enviroment for all...
That's true, but what exactly do you propose? In order to reduce the deficit, cuts are going to have to be made. That attitude is why nothing ever gets done. Nobody wants their piece of the pie to go.
In orde to reduce lets take away the big tax breaks for the million and billionaires and the big corporations since they just use the savings for bonuses and yachts and such instead of creating jobs as any good UNION BUSTING REPUBLICIAN would have us believe
I wish those tax leeches would do some business overseas. Maybe they could sell missiles to Arab countries so they could be more effective in killing our troops in our future unnecessary invasions.
Boeing wins $3.48 billion U.S. missile defense contract | Reuters
www.reuters.com/.../us-boeing-missiledefense-idUSTRE7BT19T201...
Dec 30, 2011 – (Reuters) - Boeing Co beat out Lockheed Martin to retain its position as the prime contractor for the U.S. long-range missile shield, ---
http://www.govexec.com/magazine/magazine-top-100-defense-contractors/2002/08/top-100-defense-contractors/12322/
Top 100 Defense Contractors
Total Purchases $143,140,390,000
Boeing is #2.
del from wv
Don't worry del...we ALL know your paying amost NO taxes!!! (you're at the bottom)
Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1%
$343,927 and up
36.73% of All Taxes Payed!!
Top 5%
$154,643 and up
58.66% of All taxes Paid
Top 10%
$112,124 and up
70.47 % of All Taxes Paid
Top 25%
$66,193 and up
87.30 of all tax paid
Top 50%
$32,396 and up
97.75 all All Taxes Paid
Bottom 50%
<$32,396 and DOWN
2.25 of All Taxes Paid!!!
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service
Come on Kool-Aid drinkers, let's go jump off a cliff! Gee, mister president, whatever you say. No time to waste, c'mon....
GWB isn't in office anymore...C'mon we have to invade Iraq before they launch a nuke at us...Hurry up the cliff is in the cradle of civilization, let's be totally un-civilized and see how many people we can kill..Don't worry Dick's company has the contract to clean it up...
Or maybe that would be snappin into a Slim-Jim not Kool-Aid..
I would prefer Kool-Aid over GWB's Dick " Cheney" anyday..I will be able to discern the B.S. a little easier..Because the only true B.S. outta the dems is being able to get anything right for us done with those evil henchmen of the rich and racist right in the same government.......
@ justoneguy
Funny how the top 1% has over over 40% of the wealth.....Seems to me they can afford to pay more
So Satanick, just to be fair, you need to give the guy making less than you half your salary...after all, fair is fair and to him, you are the rich b.
Mike and justoneguy,
Good posts, thanks.
And I should have added this. On this site, four days ago, appeared an article showing seven of eight states with increasing employment are 'right to work states'. No pattern there, I'm sure.
Ahhh sweet irony. This is the same factory that the President and federal government (along with their union buddies) attempted to stop the development of. Remember?? This was the new plant that Boeing wanted to build in North Carolina because it's a non-unionized (right to work) state, whereas Washington State is unionized. Therefore Boeing wanted to build a new facility (without closing one in Washington) where they could keep their costs down and produce more planes. The President and federal government (PLEASE feel free to look up which members of Congress tried to stop it too) attempted to block it's construction as anti-union and now are claiming an economic VICTORY because it's up and running AND profitable. They want it both ways- For the benefit of their friends and take credit when the other way of doing business (competitively) works out.
I just love how the President uses our tax money (and debt) to fund his friend's businesses (to watch them go out of business with benefits) and shell the rest of business for trying to cut costs and become profitable. He hated Boeing until Boeing got a big contract that makes a "green shoot" for the US economy, which he can promote as his plans and vision working. They sucked until they presented a a publicity opportunity for his re-election.
Idiots.
Hey Joe. You are so wrong about everything I dont know where to start. The factory Obama toured was built in the early 60's. It was where the first 747 was built, a great story you should check it out. There is a Dreamliner factory in South Carolina. The feds legitimate complaints against Boeing regarding that plant were dropped in an everyone-wins settlement. Yay !
Decades ago Boeing took the strategy to balance thier production between defense and civil aviation. Downsizing the National Defense Budget will not be good news for Boeing, but they will certainly get through it, and with thier stock price intact.
Thanks Pat.You have presented a reasonable comment on the whole subject. To many of posters micro-manage their thoughts, and response down to political rhetoric.
Right to Work ok. Work without no benefits. No healthcare. No pension. Heck these people at cat work more temps than anything in griffin ga. The turnover is tremendous. Without collective bargaining these people treat you anyway they want, and if lucky you make 10 dollars an hour. But their still building them FRACKERS.
So Satanick, just to be fair, you need to give the guy making less than you half your salary...after all, fair is fair and to him, you are the rich b.
That is hardly a "fair" comparison. I will admit our income tax is very progressive but the social security/medicare taxes are very regressive and almost raise as much money as income taxes do.
Satanik SS was designed as a supplemental retirement plan not a vehicle for wealth transfer or a welfare program. Benefits are roughly proportional to contributions (based on earnings). Why should I pay more to supply payments for those who contributed less!!?? If I pay in twice as much, my benefit should be twice as much.
You are all for shared sacrifice until you are asked to share!! (raise taxes but on someone else)
Gas in my patch of california exceeded $4.00 per gallon. Thank you for your energy policy Mr. President. Perhaps now you may see an increase in Government Motors Volt sales if you increase the subsidy more. Wait, did I include the losses to the taxpayers for your solar disasters?
With the housing market going into another decline, rising electric and gas costs, runaway real world unemployment, food prices moving up, and inflation a probable rise in the near future, what has been going well for this administration?
I am glad to hear that our President is getting a chance to get out of the capitol for a change. The President really needs to get away from the Washington routine from time to time. The rest from all the work that he has been doing creating jobs should do him good.
I just wonder what the President has actually done that has worked to lower our trade deficit. The annual trade deficits during the Obama administration have been lower than during the Bush administration but I think that a big reason for that was the down turn in the economy. Since 2009 our annual trade deficits have been on the rise. I think that it is because of our trade deficit, that adding money to the economy has not worked to turn the economy around. It did not work under the Bush administration and it is not working under our ourrent administration.
My concern is that what ever the President proposes involves more spending and with it more debt. The President promised to contain the deficit and, by my calculation, that the 2012 federal deficit will not exceed 229.27 billion dollars. It seems that the President just does not care about keeping his promises. With the debt already at more than 15 trillion dollars, borrowing an extra 100 billion dollars will end up costing the tax payers 900 billion dollars before it is all paid back. I wish that the President would act in such a way to improve the economy that does not include more spending that we can not afford. Our President has no sense of budget.
Will Haas, I demand you stop propogating this lie of Obama promising deficits below $250 billion. I've refuted this time after time, and shown why chasing Obama for deficit related promises is ridiculous considering previous presidents.
Post this lie again, and I will organize a report bomb against you.
Wow the Narwhal office is working overtime today. Obama goes to his UNION people in Washington at Boeing who he stood up for in giving Boeing a hard time for trying to build a plant and jobs in North Carolina. What a two tongued approach again. If you don't know what Narwhal is google Obama's Narwhal office.
When defense spending comes into play those Union fools will already have done all they can to continue the dynasty of disaster when they start getting the pink slips.
I suppose those yachts and such that million and billionaires buy build themselves?
as far as the Trade deficit this link and counter will be helpfull...........http://rvette454.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/06/10333903-usbic-backs-rep-mo-brooks-lets-vote-on-the-currency-manipulation-bill and http://rvette454.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/06/10333947-republican-house-leaders-obstruct-conservative-sen-mo-brooks-call-for-currency-manipulation-bill
The bill has passed the Senate and has a majority sign-on in the house, Boehner refuses to bring it to the floor...............http://www.sherrodbrown.com/petition/w1202chf/?subsource=CKFNAORMO05 , this is a grassroots campaign , bi-partisan to change our policy. Many express disdain for politics, let's see how many actually do their homework and act to increase jobs here.
Mr. Anon, I keep answering you. I heard the President say it on TV myself and it has been reported in the media. It is easy to find reference to it on the Internet if you try. The President made statements regarding how bad deficit spending was. In 2006 as a senator he spoke out against and voted against raising the debt limit. He in fact said that raising the debt limit was a sign of bad leadership. When he was running for President he said that the deficits of the Bush administration were bad and he vowed to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first administration. The last full year of the Bush administration was 2008. The federal deficit for that year was 458.55 billion dollars. The last full year of the Obama administration is 2012. The deficit is determined after the end of the fiscal year. The way that I see it, for the President to keep his promise the 2012 federal deficit must not exceed 229.27 billion dollars. The Obama administration is currently predicting a deficit of over 1.3 trillion dollars. After taking the oath of office the President restated this promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. But this time he supplied more detail and said the he would cut the 2009 deficit of 1.3 trillion dollars in half by 2013. The actual deficit for 2009 was 1.413 trillion dollars do for the President to keep his promise the 2013 federal deficit cannot exceed 707 billion dollars. With their latest budget the White House is predicting a 2013 federal deficit of a little more than 900 billion dollars if taxes will actually be raised on the rich. In other words, no matter how you look at it, the White House is predicting that the President will not keep his promise to the American people regarding reduction of the deficit. The White House and the President are really one in the same. The promises that the President made were without preconditions. They did not depend on any action of congress.
OK, can you find one Pres. since 1972 who has promised and balanced the budget?
I think that the President needs to take this to heart because it is as true now as it was then. This was actually posted by someone else but I think that these words of wisdom need to be repeated.
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
Politics in a word. We print the bills and have no problem paying them. Government budget is not like your budget, because you can't print your own money, and have to use the governments.
Money that the federal reserve prints up are still government debt obligations. One cannot really get out of debt by creating more debt. Government induced inflation is a form of steeling. It is a tax on holders of currency and those who save. It is a tax that no one votes for and that is not formally collected. The value of our money is stolen from us. If those who buy our debt begin to think that it is a significant problem, interest rates will climb to compensate for it If people begin to feel that our money is really worthless than the economy will collapse.
http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/monetarily-sovereign-the-key-to-understanding-economics/,...................................http://www.neweconomicperspectives.org/p/modern-money-primer.html
Will, you may want to read these links and those attached to get a better idea how our government economy works. Most economists are on the dole, part of the ideological and political money making machine. We print our own money, money means nothing, we went off the gold standard so we could not be held captive by those who wish us harm. We are a monetary sovereignty, and are not at all similar to Greece and Italy who are tied to the Euro. State and local government are not monetary sovereign as they can't print their own money and can not change the value. Our money is backed by the Federal Government and our trust in it. Those who try to devalue it, or shorten the supply are based in private and political agenda.
This may wake you up.........
As long as we hold to our Constitution, do not criminalize the rest of the world, and have faith in our economy, we will have trust in our currency. Google "constitutions" and you will find that we have the longest existing one in the world, and that is why we have a stable, yet political economy. Austerity will not work, as our substantial difference in consumption, civil rights, and technology with other country's brings about major political/ economic change in others.
Am I the only one who hears the RWNJ's heads exploding across this great county?
Dayum - this *popcorn* is delicious!
Hey,"red" (aka 'old gal'): been too busy with work (you mean all us 'libbies' aren't on the dole??) to contribute lately, or even put quarters in the old beat box over at the hallowed ground known as the DDI- but have been reading from time to time. Keep up the good fight, and keep on being 'first', wouldja? It means so much to so many.
Ok, maybe not as much as how correct the tree height is in Roselle or Michigan- maybe I exaggerated.
Miss the old maids. BUT- If Santorum and the party of 'less gubmint intervention in our lives' gets his way with birth control, I suspect there are going to be a whole lot of 'old maids' to pick from, considering: If all the guys have to chose their dates based on how tightly they can press an asprin between their patellas, gonna bewhole lotta lonely hearts out there for guys like Drive-Thru-Wan to pick from. Doncha think??
Buzzy - I can NOT tell you how good it is to see YOU! {{{hugs}}} and tons of old maids!
I sure do hear the RWNJs head explosions. As many have said and repeated over and over again, there isn't a guvment program they can stand. Yet here we have a good old guvment agency aiding a corporation using superior technology.
Dogs better watch out, there is going to be a lot of kicking going on this weekend.
Actually, I got custody of the laptop, since my two favorite girls went to Hegwisch (sp?- it's down around 130th and Torrance- by the Ford plant) to visit a family member and score some of those great Polish eats that you can only get in that neck 'o the woods, and bring home in the ol' cooler.
Sitting here enjoying some of St Louis' best fermented beverages and watching some 'stuff' on 'the place for politics'. (disclaimer: NOT to be confused with outlets claiming to be 'fair-and-balanced' news sources.)
s'up, you?
This whole birth control thing is about male dominance...And they will still get the votes from some women who do whatever their husbands say even in the privacy of the voting booth or doctors office...If birth control is hard to get or illegal altogether than the decision of pregnancy lies with the man being able to have sex during ovulation or not,pull out or not or wear a condom or not and in the dark it is hard for the woman to know if he is let alone if he put a pinhole in it while still in the package.....This whole thing disgusts me and I hope these true advocates of ultimate facist control which they are keep it up all the way to november...WASPs at their best...Deciding the fate of the masses..Which they are usually more covert about..They no they are going to lose they are using this election to find out raw data on what they can get away with...Hell they did it in 2010 and won seats they shouldn't have
Buzz - ♥ you & your sense of humor!
It has been sorely missed - notice how the Skank has disappeared?
"Dogs better watch out, there is going to be a lot of kicking going on this weekend..."
Not to mention those horrible 'whistles' we and those k-9's have been over loaded with these days, eh, Red Dev??
" - notice how the Skank has disappeared?"
Yes, I noticed that big time. You realize, of course, the only reason I got on here tonight is because I didn't want all of the secret tree-house gang (and ESPECIALLY my malt-shop porkdate) to think I eloped with the 'lil guy.
OK- that, and I was pandering for a big old batch of old maids of course..
RED- which one did you consider to be the skank? I am sure I agree and it will give me a well needed laugh..
Dontcha' just love it Feisty?! Ewwwwww damn! I think an exploding rightie head just got some grey matter splatter on me.
Those people don't have much in the way of grey matter to spare, so.....
The screeching has been so loud I coulda sworn I was living in a barn. I have to use ear plugs while I labor, um, serf, er uh, surf this site.
Has the truth Team come up with answers to these questions yet or do I need to keep asking them?
How come its ok to Spend $450 Million dollars of taxpayers money to create Jobs in China? Then yo ur going to run around and talk about how American manufacturers need to create jobs here in the U.S.?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40565987/ns/business-going_green/t/wind-their-backs-powerful-democrats-help-chinese-energy-firm-chase-stimulus-money/#.Tz7981FAGnl
Then your going to talk about an Import Export bank and how they need more funding and yet their using Tax Payers Money to help those foreign countries undermine our own manufactures?
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2012/01/19/us-to-probe-imports-wind-towers-from-china-vietnam/
I also Find it Curious that just weeks ago the Obama Administration just weeks ago was being sued by Boeing because of the NLRB trying to block job creation and Opening the plant in SC and now they are all Buddie Buddies. Was that the price Boeing had to pay in this little extortion racket.
I'll have the NLRB drop their complaint if yo let me do a campaign speech at your plant in Democrat stronghold Washington?
I cant wait to here what the truth squads have to say.
P.S. I expect your "Truth" to be substantiated with links to articles, documents, etc.. not just unsubstantiated opinion.
The skank biscuit she is referring to is either No Jo or JoannaSmith1.
'serf'? practicing up,huh?
Not to worry, though. I think we really are in a good position right now to hold the rightwing fanatics in check.
Unless that dick Amadinajhad (sp??) completely screws up things beyond belief.
(If he does, I bet THEN we would wish Cain/Palin was in charge, huh??)
And what deal was made with china for that ?possibly letting in some of our exports or raising wages in china ? these deals are complex and you are only seeing half the story, the right " right-wing " half but then you fabricate another half of the NLRB deal which wasn't a NLRB deal at all it was a deal for the new plane to be built in WA so stop inventing non-existent side deals..Trust me O has no problem finding or filling venues un-like the leaders of the tear down america so we look good party you are a shill for..And clean energy from anywhere being used here is good..And do you think china-men slaves will be building the towers like your party did to build the railroads in the west?
GOPisextinct:
In this country, we spell it "gray". And, I have my doubts about your getting to close to any kind of explosion.....those loud noises can be scary.
I guessed no jo ....Whom I refer to as no blowjob since her husband probably doesn't get many of them they are banned in the bible they say after all...Even though I never saw the act mentioned....I admit its not a ladylike thing to do but it keeps the peace sometimes among other advantages for both sides that if you don't know about you will never understand...Bottom line if everyone would lighten up the world would be a better place...Kinda like Lennons bed-in..
"...the NLRB trying to block job creation and Opening the plant in SC..."
As opposed to creating those jobs overseas? Mexico? What?
Just in a different state right here in the USA?
Really? The issue is......?
Spider--read a scientific journal and you just may see it spelled grey...either is acceptable in this country..We don't mandate spelling or speaking in a free country..I think you might need some of the fellatio mentioned in my other post above..
sw philly name a plant he has visited that wasn't a unionized?
When did Obama visit that manufacturing plant the Chinese firm was going to build in Nevada? Whats the name of that plant? What is it that they produce?
Again how about actually substantiating your position with links to articles documents, etc?
How about those 1100 jobs at the Solyndra Plant? Wasnt that a great investment of $535 million dollars of Taxpayers money?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-economy-0
What have they proven? That Federal Government spending $535 million dollars of taxpayers money is a waste? Plants like "Solyndra" creating countless middle class jobs and the future being bankruptcy.
Speaking of dicks, I suspect that if he does, Hillary will cut it off and stuff it down his throat. He's all show, no grow, and Hillary will tell him who's boss.
"P.S. I expect your "Truth" to be substantiated with links to articles, documents, etc....."
Y' do, huh? Why you holding us bloggers to a higher standard than, say, one of Romney's PAC's????
Right drive by and the jobs in WA would have been higher paying which puts more money in the economy kinda like the payroll taxcut they will nickel and dime to keep every penny in the hands of the uber-rich who don't spend it because that keeps the economy stagnate...which they want..BTW I saw mentioned the GDP forecast to grow at 2% and the righties acting like that was small because it sounds small but if you really know something when has it last grown at 2% or above...2% is booming dullards..
"...He's all show, no grow,..."
Gotcha completely, there Red.
This is what I keep trying to get people to understand about the claim he will 'wipe out Israel'. The guy's a complete loudmouth, and will NOT be able to effect something like that in reality.
I had someone tell me"but this kind of threat has never been put out there before"- the threat that they will 'wipe out' an entire country. Anyone rember this line from the early 60's:
"we will bury you"?
I think it was a Nikita somebody.....began with a 'K'....liked to pound shoes on tables....liked to run his mouth....
I am not using any facts..Just disputing you nuts half truths and lies...All opinion here..If I did use so-called facts you won't listen anyway which is right because very few so-called facts are actually that..Almost all things that were even thought to be are disproven over time...But it is you on the right who refuse to keep an open mind to developing ideas and facts..Take for example you guys' facts about the earth being the center of the solar system or that whole noah's ark think or something that is 100% not true like you guys' timeline on the existence of earth which nobody is excactly on the money with just theories but the theory buy the bible calculations is off by millions of years...............Still no facts just opinions here...HAHAHAHAH
Uh Oh- gonna have to jump off here. I've tried to no end to talk logic to religious adherents, it's what I assume it's like trying to talk to Amahdinijad (sp?),
MY God is the RIGHT (no pun intended) God, YOURS is NOT.
I suspect this thread is going to deteriorate, now that 'you-know-who' was brought into it.....
'bye all.
David Noah, you are correct about many things.
But you yourself have been manipulated by the mainstream media on one very important issue.
Occupy DOES NOT SUPPORT OBAMA!
He can suck up to them all he wants, but they see through his lies very clearly.
They want the money out of politics, and he is the biggest money whore of them all.
You also cite instances of protesters behaving badly - These incidents are all the way the mainstream media has tried to present the Occupy movement to the general public.
And the mainstream media is controlled by the corporations and the bankers.
I marched with Occupt Boston twice and Occupy Wall St once, and I never saw anyone acting like that. I also spoke with them about who they support for President. Of all the ones who voiced support for a specific candidate, it was overwhelmingly in favor of
Ron Paul.
As a liberal who is sick of the constant undeclared wars, sick of dead soldiers coming home in bags, and sick of the UnConstitutional powers over the citizenry that our government feels it has the right to grant itself. Sick of the police state, sick of drones flying over US cities and Towns, watching over us.
Sick of the government being owned by the Big Money. Sick of Obama pretending to be liberal while he beats the war drums in an ever increasing number of foriegn countries.
Sick of us talking about cutting services to our elderly and our poor children, while billions of dollars flow to foriegn governments who hate us.
Ron Paul 2012.
Yeah, there really is a choice.
Reporter asks Ron Paul at SEATAC 2 days ago "Ron Paul, if you're elected, how soon will you bring the troops home?
Ron Paul : As soon as we can get the ships there!
Alil Common Sense, you don't want Ron Paul as president. Paul wants to remove virtually all taxes, which will force the government to drop important programs like Social Security and Medicare, and greatly lower corporate regulations.
As for foreign wars, Obama has put time tables to bring troops home, and has completely withdrawn all troops from Iraq, with Afghanistan troops scheduled to withdraw in 2014. The reason he isn't bringing troops home immediately is because after we entered Iraq and Afghanistan, we @!$%#ed up their governments. Withdrawing all troops now will cause incredible instability in those countries, which will entirely be the fault of the United States. All Obama is doing is cleaning up Bush's mess.
Trust me, though you may have frustrations with Obama, Ron Paul is not the guy you want.
Anon please don't presume to tell me who I want for President.
Ron Paul is the only candidate for President who isn't lying to you, right to your face.
Obama has put US soldiers on the ground in Uganda, Somalia, Kenya, and Liberia this year alone. His handling of the middle east is leading us to war.
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are Illegal and unconstitutional because Congress never declared war.
Ron Paul wants the US to follow The Constitution
step 1 - We declare war
step 2 - We go and kick the ever loving carpola out of them
step 3 - We go home
No more nation building, unless it's in the US. No more feeling guilty about winning. No more trying to create friendly foriegn govts over there using my tax dollars to prop them up.
If you don't want to get crushed, don't provoke us. We invaded them. Thier government SHOULD be effed up. That's kind of the point.
What's not to love?
The only reason I could see Ron Paul as Pres. is he would veto more legislation than anyone before. He has little support for his policy with his fellow Congressman.
I'm continually impressed by Mr. Obama's bi-partisan approach to solving problems. Despite all the Republican foot-dragging and obstructionism, irregardless of all the outright distortions and lack of support for the man who is the President of all the people, Obama keeps trying to work across the aisle.
Pretty darn awesome.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
The tea-partiers in congress are just pandering to the people who voted them in not realizing that most of those people now know they made the wrong choice...And not aware of the fact that a presidential election brings out real americans and I mean left,right and center who care about this country not just about their own narrow ideas but what is good for the whole..In other words people more intelligent than those in congress or their advisors and staff that spend too much time with lobbyists like Newtie and his company and Romneys Bain freinds..
Good post, swp.
How did the Tea Partiers make the wrong choice? I suppose your choice is to support the party that supports terrorism?
http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-occupy-wall-street-we-are-their-side_598251.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pelosi-supports-occupy-wall-street-movement/story?id=14696893#.Ty3XositJ2A
If I was a political add creator for the Right I would make a national commercial using the “occupier” movement.
The first thing I would do is quickly demonstrate how Obama, Pelsoi, etc. threw there support to the “occupy” movement just as I did above. Then I would show the picture (or maybe a short clip of video footage which is way more effective) of the Occupy protesters on the Steps of the Oakland City hall Burning the American Flag with the guy holding up the Occupy Oakland flyer with a single two word caption:
“American Values?”
Then display a real quick message; “5 Million dollars damage done to public property.”
Better yet here's a link to a video of an "Occupier" and his version of the pledge of allegiance while the U.S. flag is being burned.
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/occupy-oakland-burns-american-flag-while-reciting-anti-semitic-pledge-allegiance
"I pledge allegiance to a flag of the imperialistic, capitalistic dictatorship.
And to the plutocracy for which it stands, privately owned central bank, under the Jews.
With inequality and injustice for the 99."
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-philadelphia/occupy-oakland-will-burn-10-000-american-flags
Then I would show the picture of the protesters in front of the Oakland Museum with the two corrugated metal barriers that say “Police move out”, “Commune Move In” and the dozen or so people with the home made riot shields with some of them having the Peace Sign painted on them and the others the Anarchy sign. Then I would have another single caption;
“Prepared for a “Peaceful Protest” with barriers, riot shields, and gas masks?”
I would end the commercial with a very short video showing an American flag being burned and overlaid with a simple message;
“Do you trust the “Democrats” and “Occupiers” with America’s future?”
I really don't care if Unemployment becomes 0%, our National dept becomes $0.00, he manages to bring World peace, the 117 trillion dollars in Unfunded liability becomes funded overnight, and God Almighty Himself comes down to Earth and Proclaims Obama is the Second Coming.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/28/10260959-oakland-assesses-city-hall-damage-after-occupy-break-in
The Democrats have been completely silent about the damage the occupiers have been causing, destruction of private and public property, disrupting communities, destroying parks, putting a Guy Fawkes(an English Terrorist) mask on, and using the statue of a U.S. Historical figure as a tent pole, And Burning the American Flag.
If the right had done anything even close to what the “Occupiers” have been doing the last few months the Democrats would be on the TV and National News every night condemning the actions of the Tea Party or whoever it was that is doing it as long as it’s a right leaning group doing it
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/17/pelosi-tears-up-discussing-tone-of-health-care-debate-in-america/
The right didn’t do anything and yet Nancy was shedding tears about the “fear” of the right doing something. The violence, riots, destruction, is happening now and its all being done by the Left.
Where’s the outrage, the tears, the calls for taking responsibility?
When an administration allows, and overlooks the kind of violations, disrespect of our laws, showing such disrespect to the Symbol of our country, Burning the Flag of the United States of America just like an Extremist Terrorist, What makes the Democrats believe they “deserve” a second term and should be entrusted with the Future and Security of the United States?
of course you are kidding, right??? elections have consequences, republicans can sit in the back?? if this is your definition of bi-partisan then we must agree to disagree.
Thank you and with Bain I was refering to them being one of or the largest contributer to the lobbyist fight for Bush tax cuts and abolishing capital gains taxes,which would have made romneys rate 0%...Kinda Ironic isn't it ?
If the occupiers had guns like the tea-partiers they wouldn't have to deal with riot police...And who is to say if they were left to their own devices they wouldn't have cleaned up and not stormed government institutions..And you are only talking about a fringe doing the rest of that stuff..How about the spitting on a congressman of color by the tea-party fringe? Your tears made me think of the spitting because that almost brought me to tears...And your sources you stated if you weren't so biased would have showed you as they did me Obama saying he will listen to both sides, all americans like he has said all along...And Pelosi I am sure feels the same way about violent rhetoric from either side...It is the element that you belong to that seceeded the union over the same reasons as your side is covertly winning elections by today...They even say it's a states rights thing again...Yeah sure..
I try not to single out in my opinions because I want everybody to read it but you know what I am responding to if you read the entire thread..
More like if the "Occupiers" obeyed the Laws of the United States and Communites, aquired teh proper permits to hold rallies, and conducted themselves accordingly and weren't instigating confrontations withth police they wouldn't have to deal with riot police.
Who can forget this famous calling by the "Occupiers"
'F*** the Police': Occupy Oakland Protesters Are Throwing Urine at ...
Feb 5, 2012 ... Occupy Oakland demonstrators took to the streets again Saturday night,
marching in an anti-police protest following violent clashes with cops ...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/f-the-police-occupy-oakland-protesters-are-throwing-urine-at-the-media/
Obama's #Occupy Goons Plan Massive “F**k the Police” Rally for ...
Feb 2, 2012 ... Members called for another demonstration Saturday night, the latest in what
Occupy activists have dubbed “F- the police” rallies, as well as a ...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/obamas-occupy-goons-plan-massive-fk-the-police-rally-for-saturday/
Breitbart.tv » #OccupyOakland Holds 'F*ck The Police' Rally
Feb 4, 2012 ... Occupy protesters in Oakland began marching late Sunday in what they dubbed
the "F*ck the Police rally." The protesters started off the march ...
http://www.breitbart.tv/occupyoakland-fck-the-police/
Video: Occupy Oakland's “F@ck the Police” March | Verum Serum
Video: Occupy Oakland's “F@ck the Police” March. John on February 5, 2012 at
10:26 am. I posted a link to Ironic Surrealism's coverage of this event in the ...
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=37627
Daily Kos: Occupy Oakland:F()C# The Police Livestream
Feb 4, 2012 ... “The Oakland Police Department advises of an assembly planned to take place
on Saturday, February 4th, beginning at 8:00p.m.with a march ...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/04/1061870/-Occupy-Oakland:F()C
Occupy Oakland Announces New “@!$%# The Police” Protest…
Feb 2, 2012 ... Members called for another demonstration Saturday night, the latest in what
Occupy activists have dubbed “F- the police” rallies, as well as a ...
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/02/02/occupy-oakland-announces-new-@!$%#-the-police-protest/
How Cute: Occupy Oakland Schedules “F-ck the Police” Rallies ...
Feb 2, 2012 ... Members called for another demonstration Saturday night, the latest in what
Occupy activists have dubbed “F- the police” rallies, as well as a ...
http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/how-cute-occupy-oakland-schedules-f-ck-the-police-rallies/
Occupy Wall Street: “F*** the Police” | U.S. Constitutional Free Press
Occupy Wall Street: “F*** the Police”. Posted by U.S. Constitutional Free Press on
February 5, 2012. Occupy Oakland Protesters Are Throwing Urine at the Media ...
http://usconstitutionalfreepress.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/occupy-wall-street-f-the-police/
F--k the police is a song I sing all the time...It doesn't mean f--k that cop over there it means f--k police brutality and oppression...Which was happening...But all old crinkled up tight-wads hear is the foul words. That are foul because why ? To me they are just words..I can handle any words...But police bullets hurt.
@sw philly.... "...And who is to say if they were left to their own devices they wouldn't have cleaned up and not stormed government institution."
You are joking right? I mean you can not seriously believe that. This is the biggest problem with progressives. They have no integrity what-so-ever and they seem to be proud of it.
dmac/ That is the problem with progressives ? Progress is to advance from a previous position. Many bloggers at these sites throw words ,such as liberals, progressives, socialists ,democrats ET. AL. as if they are foul words. They are descriptions of political view points. I happen to be a liberal. That is a political view of politics. The first O W S was a protest from a group of people who saw the Wall St. investment Corp. as being beyond control and they demanded that our government intervene and and make more rules to stop their behaviour. Many of the ows protesters are merely exercising their rights to protest the perceived behaviour of the Stock Exchange, but it is more dramatic to tell of extremists, but that is business.
Listoire, yes you are right. I would say a great majority of those o.w.s. people are justified in their actions.
kaybeetoys
Really? Are you kidding me? Obama's bi-partisen approach. Must have missed that one in all the anti-Constituitional, I'm doing it my way, attitude I see. Guess toys might tell me more, robots know best.
Kay name one thing Obama has done that is bi-partisan and did not involve pure politics. How about a budget? No since this Democratic controlled Senate has not passed a budget in over 1000 days. How about healthcare? No as Pelosi claimed, you have to pass it to find out the what is in it. We could go on and on. The fact is this guy only knows how to run for office and not how to manage the largest economy in the world.
WHY DOES THE REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE 1%ers WANT THE STRUGGLING TO PAY MORE MONEY THAN THEM ??? THAT'S THE QUESTION ??? well, it's because the trickled down economic republicans made them think their crap don't stink. they've been spoiled to the core, and like spoiled brats ,they are demanding that treatment from the 99%ers. haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa heeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeee they're killing me with that high and pious '' USA NEEDS ME '' haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!! USA NEEDS YOU TO DITCH ALL THOSE LOOP-HOLES THAT'S KEEPING YOU FROM PAYING TAXES '' LIKE THE REST OF US CHICKENS ''.
Republicans or just plain greedy, they're both republicans AND greedy. Change the "or" in your name to "are" and it will make more sense!
NO , IT'S REPUBLICANS '' OR '' JUST PLAIN GREEDY ? i use this as a trap for the '' too smart for you '' repuklicans. just blame it on their failure of perception , and viola , the battle of political wit is on !!!!!
most claim to be religious ; but some are just in the fight to keep from paying their taxes. republicans or just plain greedy ? which one do my smart responders fall under ?? '' that is my question ''
Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1%
$343,927 and up
36.73% of All Taxes Payed!!
Top 5%
$154,643 and up
58.66% of All taxes Paid
Top 10%
$112,124 and up
70.47 % of All Taxes Paid
Top 25%
$66,193 and up
87.30 of all tax paid
Top 50%
$32,396 and up
97.75 all All Taxes Paid
Bottom 50%
<$32,396 and DOWN
2.25 of All Taxes Paid!!!
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service
Lol, I see...ok "or' it is!
Bleeding Heart Tightwads
And this was written by a liberal... Greedy Republicans, I don't think so.
This holiday season is a time to examine who's been naughty and who's been nice, but I'm unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.
Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times
Nicholas D. Kristof
Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.
Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, "Who Really Cares," cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.
Other research has reached similar conclusions. The "generosity index" from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.
Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans
The liberals want to give to the poor. They just want it to be someone else's money!!! You know, shared sacrifice as long as someone else is doing the sacrificing!!
Is not Charity contributions tax exempt? I think that most republicans demand more tax exemptions, yet pay as little taxes as they can.
If you give $1000, you reduce your taxes by $350 (if in the 35% bracket). But it still costs a net of $650. Not a good business move if you do it just for the deduction!!!
Obama's paid 28% tax on their income and gave $245,000 to charity.http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20482941,00.html
Looks like he is not as good at business, compared to Mitt.
Obama ROCKS!!!
Surely you must be related.
Yeah Jpeg, I'm a Kenyan born marfxist, communist, socialist, nazi, incompetent, arrogant, stupid, pyromaniac, filthy, smelly,disgusting, cat raping, muslim terrorist[did I miss anything?] too, just like the president. Happy? Why are righties so stupid??
Isn't this the same President thatworked against Boeing moving a production plant to a right to work state. I seem to remember he did that. Now he's touting Boeing. Wow, Iam just amazed. Or was it his party in the Senate who chastised Boeing for even trying to cut cost by not having to deal with the unions. Hey maybe I'm wrong. This President wouldn't do that now would he.
You won't get a libby to reply to your post....real facts scare them away.
A libby. The reason that our President objected to the Boeing Co. moving a part of their company to a right to work state is because the move by the company,was as a punishment of the union in a labour dispute.Many companies are doing this,even though the workers at their original site were the people who made those companies successful. Surely the people who help in their success are to entitled to reap some of the rewards of their labour.
Don't start,
Funny, I was beginning to think the article was about racism or popcorn.
The article proposes to be about getting jobs back to the good old U.S.A.
This is not going to happen. Not like anyone thinks it will. You remember?? all those decent good paying jobs with plenty of benefits?? Forget it fellas. Unless you are all ready to work for $2.00 a day, we just can't compete with the third world. Tax incentives or not, it just isn't going to happen.
In fact, this, right now, may well be looked back upon as "the good old days" A fast food job will be coveted.
So what does one do?? Train for a job that needs to be done right here?? Hands on?? Sounds reasonable. Oh, but here come the illegals. They will do all that work they can get their hands on, and do it cheaper than we are willing to work for. Look at construction.
Carpentry, drywall, painting, roofing, concrete, flooring, landscaping. All done by illegals cheap and fast. And they do work. Oh yes. they work their little butts off.
I've seen them sleeping in the very houses they are building. Eating at a 7-11 and wearing the same clothes for weeks.
True,true,true kinda false just today there was reporting on Caterpillar bringing back jobs from japan to GA..maybe if the pres gets his jobs bill concerning rewarding companies for doing just that we will see more of that...After all it costs alot to ship those huge earth movers so if we create jobs here and need them for housing,infrastucture and industrial construction like they already do in south america it will be more profitable to build them and other things like them here..
And BTW stop stalking workers and stereotyping they may just be people who were ancestraly in this country before you or me...Considering most so-called mexicans are mostly natives not spanish they just speak a form of that language...Which is a shame maybe people like you would understand them better if they spoke our version of english..
Me too Mr. Parent. Some of the worst employment abuses in this country however come with "legal" immigration. I am talking about the H1B Visa program where people are brought in to take American jobs in engineering, physical therapy, programming, electronics, auto design, IT,...etc hundreds of thousands of American jobs a year are lost.
Outsourcing is taking the job to the foriegn country. H1B is bringing the foreign country to the job.
I don't think I'll take a job mudding sheet rock or scrubbing toilets in a Marriott, or picking lettuce,.....are you?
GOPisextinct
HA HA....man GOp - you take it to the next level...now LEGAL immigration is an abuse and illegal immigration is a blessing...lol...get a life
GOPisextinct,
You don't think you'll take a job mudding sheetrock or scrubbing toilets?? You are a woose.
If you ever had to do real work, you would come to realize that all work brings a sense of dignity and self-respect. Sucking on that big government tit for life means you have no self-respect.
[Sucking on that big government tit for life means you have no self-respect.]
Much like yourself, Jofus? You got yours from your public sector UNION job, right?
Effing hypocrite...
...FAIL...
I've worked harder on break than you do all week sonny.
Remember, there is that certain class of people that no matter how much government money you give them, no matter how many subsidies you give them, no matter how much government welfare they soak up, no matter how many tax breaks you give them; like you, these entitlement attitude people will never get a real job, doing real work, with a real company in the real world.
We call these people Republicans. Your Mom calls him Joe Parent.
the world according to Obama, so off the mark
Yes he is,..... but just that portion of Boeing that is NON Right-to-Work-for-less. Notice how he's not touting them in South Carolina?
Major distinction.
since the president is clearly a pawn of the unions he would not dare speak at the boeing plant in south carolina
What a knowledgeable President! Boeing as a example of his job growth and economic recovery.
DUH Mr. President, Boeing announced it would be laying off this coming year.
President Obama really has a lot of nerve using Boeing as a platform for his re-election campaign. His NLRB tried to screw over Boeing big time to ram the union goals down their throats.
His chutzpah knows no bounds.
FACTS:
--Number of job losses per month when Obama took office: 700,000
--Number of job gains last month: 250,000
--GDP decline when Obama took office: minus 6%
--GDP last year: 2.9% positive growth
--Dow Jones when Obama came into office: 8,000
--Dow Jones now: 12,600+
22 straight months of job growth.
Record corporate profits.
Recode domestic oil production.
Osama – gone
No attacks on US soil.
Iraq war – over.
Hey Mr. President, here are some more places you can do you job growth and economic pitch at.
Blockbuster Closing 405 stores.
Gap closing 189 stores
Talbots closing 100 stores
Frindly's closing 63 stores
Abercomvie & finch closing 49 stores.
Sear/Kmart closing 7 stores to start with.
US Postal Service closing 1200 post offices.
And the list just keeps increasing with your economic recovery. Way to go Obama, you are running a magnificent con on the American People.
YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY HAPPY '' REPUKLICAN '' ; is there anything else you'd like to rejoice about '' FOOL '' ??????? go kneel at the altar of '' M O R O N I '' , he'll give you something worth crying about.
WHAT: You're blaming Obama for the closure of post offices???
Now that's rich. Your merry gang of Reich Wing nut jobs are doing everthing in their power to kill off the entire postal system as we know it. Block Buster is in trouble not simply because of the economy but rather their entire business paradigm.
Beyond that, your argument is the same as the rest of the Right, everything negative which happens is Obama's fault and everything positive which occurs is either serindipity or more likely you attribute to some residual effect of a program that your boy, Dubya had already implemented.
You know what I mean, Obama didn't get Bin Laden, it's due to war criminals Bush and Cheney advocating torture, ur, em, ah, er, I mean "enhanced interrogation". Right??? Sorry, that tired argument just ain't gonna fly. The overall trend of the economy is on an upswing and let me say, absolutely no thanks to the gangster in the GOP Congress. The entire lot should be tried for treason. They would gleefully run this country into the ground on the hopes of having a weakened economy cause Obama to lose this November.
republicans or just plain greedy
I'm the fool. I'm not supporting a man whose estimate worth grew to $10 million in three years as President.
Fool me one, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me. Looks like you are the one living in shame for not knowing that you're been conned a second time.
If we need more lowpaying retail jobs those stores will re-open under a new name...Hopefully a local owned est. And as far as the P.O. goes you should contact your GOP congressman to tell him to give them a break on their pension payments since nobody else has to do what they are doing or needs congess to approve rate hikes....But in your sides philosify the private sector does it better...Than why does it cost so much more to send a letter with a private company ? And which is the better job to have? And which employees make more therefore spending money in the economy making jobs for everybody ? because spending is what really creates jobs not billionares sitting on their money as a trophy and being able to wait to spend it when they get done bullying the GOP for just the right conditions that never seem to come..How long have they had their tax cuts for? Oh that's right just as long as the economy has been on the downslide...And this president has started things on the right track somewhat without being able to raise them..But watch and see if their taxes do get raised the economy will boom while they invest in their companies and hire to keep from paying higher taxes...That is how it really works with companies large and small especially ones not publically traded therefore have no reason to show profit..
Ozzy Boy
No I'm not blaming Obama for the postal services problems. They've been on going for decades. I'm blaming him for completely ignoring the problem in the 3 years he's been president. Its not like he woke up one morning and the postal system was $3.3 billion in debt and going to layoff a 128,000 workers. DUH! After all he was elected to show some kind of leadership and deal with this kind of problem. So why didn't he show some leadership and work on it?
You don't even have to be a Harvard man like the president to know the problem with the postal services is that its not generating enough revenues. So let me think. Duh! Maybe the Postal service could offer some new services to generate revenues that UPS and FED EX can't do.
Like maybe do foreign money exchange in high tourist areas.
Or maybe administer a new electronic US Saving Bond program.
You need to grow and and start thinking like a mature adult.
Now what's your excuse for Obama ignoring this issue for 3 years.
It is funny how you messed up on the fool me once saying just like your boy BUSH...
The excuse is he is not in the halls of congress anymore he heads the executive branch which is seperate and by all rights should have nothing to do with it except picking a postmaster general other than that all operating expense and financial decisions come down to congress...Kinda of like he did with the affordable care act that idiots are calling Obamacare when he didn't write one page of it...His administation will administer the parts not delagated and mandated to the states...But remember this if it was truly Obamacare it would be universal healthcare, single payor or medi-care for all which ever you choose to call it but it is not called Obamacare cause like I said Obamacare would be in the aforementioned forms not a give-away to the insurance companies that is a right-wing heritage foundation,newt gingrich idea that they now all deny...
sw philly
You been drinking too much of that Philly water out of the Delaware river. Oh! So it isn't the place of the President to say to Congress we need to get the post office back on the right track. Here's some ideas I have on how to do it.
Love the way you have selective memory when it comes to Obama and or the Affordable Health care act. You don't know that he didn't write one page of it or tell his lap dogs in congress what he wanted in it.
What we do know is that Obama met with a member of congress and offered to pay for his entire states populations health care needs in exchange for one yes vote. We also know that he met behind closed doors with many congress people who refuse to tell the public what they were offered for one yes vote.
We know that public option was in it until Obama had a closed door meeting with the CEO's of the Health Insurance Companies one day, and the next, the public options was removed.
If you don't have the intelligence to know the performance of the man you support, the shame is on you.
THe man I will support is not perfect but he made things better by leading from the bully pulpit on it which you just critisized him for with the healthcare act which he did not pen or it would have been single-payor...But complain he is not doing for the P.O. well I can just imagine if he did you wouldn't like that either..And BTW him and his party have said something needs to be done,have tried to do stuff and were blocked and will be the ones to do something so save it..
And the philly water comes out of resivoirs and sometimes the wissahickon before the schukill...To my knowledege not the DE...But I will research that later because maybe Liberal policies have cleaned up the river enough to drink out of but I don't think so..
Done research the philadelphia water dept. does draw water from the DE but not for where I reside..
Ozzie Boy-2719086
It's the Obama supporters that are changing
the subject to ANYTHING but OBAMA!! Doing it for 3 inexcusable years now
and the majority of Americans are sick and tired of it!
ABO 2012
If you just count the few in your secluded non-diverse circle that is true about the majority...And even a few of them will vote the Democratic ticket in private especially the women and LGBT ones...lets not count the ones that are married to minorities or immigrants and you don't know it or the ones with the same in their family and they are tired of the discriminatory rhetoric from most of the right..
This faux America some people see was the confederacy and it lost....So please pay attention to what are really states rights when the affordable care act comes before the SCOTUS..
I've been reading your BS for the last 10 minutes now. So you want the gloves off? Here we go. The economy stinks because of CONSERVATIVE economic policies. Starting with Ronald (I love deficits and tax cuts for the wealthy) Reagan and right up to the last Bush admininistration and a REPUBLICAN Congress from 1996 until 2008. Under Bush job growth was the WORST since WWII. The source by the way is that know liberal icon the Wall Street Journal. And Mr. Obama was handed this mess, while the Republicans/Conservatives laughed all the way to the voting booth. Because suddenly EVERYTHING was Obama's/The Democratic Party's fault.
And job growth would have been MUCH worse, if we did not have a MASSIVE bubble economy. And economy that was based on enormous debt, housing deregulation and Americans using their houses as ATM's. And why were they able to do so? Because of the deregulation that conservatives love. Some prime examples.
The Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980 (DIDMCA) and the Alternative Mortgage Transactions Parity Act of 1982 (AMTPA). Gramm-Leach-Bliley and The Commodities Future Modernization Act of 2000.
By the way, I also blame Democrats for some of the legislation mentioned above because they either voted for it, or did not do enough to stop it. In particular, Gramm-Leach-Blilely was heavily pushed by Bill Clinton, although the vote in Congress was overwhelmingly Republican.
The bubble did not "burst", it exploded in a massive explosion. But by golly that was ALL the Democrats fault. What a crock. And by the way, I'm just getting started. For example, I haven't even mentioned until now the obstructing Republicans in both the House and the Senate, or the fact their so called "Jobs Bills" are a crock.
Clinton may have been duped into that in the form of centrism and compromise..I don't think it would have caused what it did without the policies and trends that followed...Maybe if another Dem was in he could have asked for changes before it crashed..But the dems def deserve some blame and the voters...
Boeing announces layoffs in So. Calif. - UPI.com
Jan 20, 2011 ... Almost one-quarter of the workers at a Southern California plant making C-17
cargo planes are being laid off, Boeing Co. announced late ...
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/20/Boeing-announces-layoffs-in-So-Calif/UPI-44671295506605/
Boeing: Boeing Announces Layoffs, Restructuring at Wichita Site
Nov 19, 2008 ... The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today announced plans to cut approximately
800 positions at its Integrated Defense Systems facility in ...
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q4/081119c_nr.html
Boeing Announces Layoffs, Orders Fall Behind Airbus
Jan 9, 2009 ... Boeing announced Friday that it will layoff 4500 workers from its commercial
aircraft division, beginning with 60-day layoff notices to be issued ...
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/boeing_airbus_layoff_orders_deliver_787_199543-1.html
Boeing Announces 1020 Layoffs - IT Management - News ...
Feb 21, 2010 ... Boeing has issued 60-day pink slips to more than 1000 employees of its
Engineering, Operations and Technology division. Boeing, whose ...
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Boeing-Announces-1020-Layoffs-406469/
Boeing plans workforce reduction of 4500, with layoffs in second ...
Jan 9, 2009 ... Boeing plans workforce reduction of 4500, with layoffs in second quarter. Boeing
announced a major workforce reduction of about 4500 ...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008609030_webboeing09.html
Boeing announces defence lay-offs, whilst GE eyes Chinese ...
Jan 21, 2011 ... US aviation giant and key defence prime Boeing have announced 1100 lay-offs,
primarily from its C-17 military cargo plane programme.
http://www.securitydefenceagenda.org/Contentnavigation/Library/Libraryoverview/tabid/1299/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1487/categoryId/85/Boeing-announces-defence-layoffs-whilst-GE-eyes-Chinese-technology-alliance.aspx
Boeing laying off 1000 in Long Beach, O.C. - Handling Hard Times ...
Jan 20, 2011 ... Other local Boeing layoffs announced last year: February: 80 jobs were
eliminated in the engineering, operations and technology division in ...
http://economy.ocregister.com/2011/01/20/boeing-laying-off-1000-in-long-beach-o-c/47862/
ANOTHER SICK '' TRICKLED DOWN REGANOMICAL DITTO DUMMY '' ; you've got a better idea then trickled down economics ???? thought not
No calling anyone a racist, a hater, a liar. Wow! That's a first for an Obama supporter who knows he's supporting a flim-flam man, a con artist, a terrible yoke on this country we call President.
Whats your idea just plain greedy?
Its so easy putting down other ideas especially when you have none of your own.
Perhaps you can explain why it is if you believe that some type of "trickel up economics" would work that Obama spends all of his time going to giant companies like Boeing, Caterpillar, GM, Master lock, etc...
How come Obama isn't going to the "Roadside bar and grill" and talk about how they hired two employees and its going to be small mom and pop business that leads the recovery?
Isn't it funny how the Democrats are all about how Big business is destroying the country etc. and yet look at all the places Obama is doing his campaign speeches at...
To workers not the CEO's and trickle up economics does work that is why your party is trying so hard to stop payroll taxcuts and unemployment benifits and other things because they don't care about workers or the economy they care about power,money and their own greed..
Every dollar most americans get these days gets spent therefore helping the economy..Its a shame some of those dollars are diverted to foriegn economies by those big companies like Wal-mart and Exxon Mobile but hey in another few years the dems will hopefully fix some of that or you guys will get another chance to give tax cuts to the rich and start wars around the world to make profits for the vice-pres you elected..
Its also funny that these lay-offs by boeing started during bushies presidency and the new plant building is during the recovery...I guess the new plant is just dumb-luck and the closings are his fault anyway...
Sw philly
I must say you certainly have educated yourself into stupid or at least you present yourself that way in your post.
Either that or you've drown your brain in too much Obama campaign rhetoric to where you can't think or express yourself in any other way.
I was reading the dates posted on the stories given to us by an obvious right-winger so if that makes me stupid I just have to question what you consider stupid and what you consider intelligent ? And I use my own opinion to comment...I guess I would be intelligent if I voted against my own principles entirely? I admit the dems aren't precisely in-line with me but the GOP is only in-line with male chauvanist,racist or multi-millionares so who is the stupid one ? Or do you fall into one of those categories ? Or are you the one falling for campaign rhetoric ? Planning on moving to the lunar colony ?
Only one of the layoff dates were preObama. Thank you for proving several of my point about you.
I consider people stupid who don't educate themselves about a certain issue and just accept campaign rhetoric as the truth regardless of which candidate it comes from.
Here I will give you an example of what I'm talking about.
Tax reform was a major issue for Obama in his first campaign. Then when he had the power to pass it as easily as the Affordable Health Care Act with democratic control of Congress, Obama didn't even propose it or try to get it passed.
When he lost democratic control of the House, he start making it a campaign issue again. Why did he do this? He knew he couldn't get it passed so he's running his mouth to con his supporters and voters into believing he supports tax reform when he doesn't. Then he blames the republicans and you all suck it up big time.
Obama's actions speak volumes over his words and the words of his campaign yet all of you Obama supporters ignore his actions while taking his words hook line and sinker.
To me that defines stupid.
I am not stupid...I realize these things you state...I would be stupid if I didn't vote at all...And you would be stupid if you voted with the new improved GOP A.K.A the Tea party...I know politicians don't and can't do everything they say and want and sometimes are just plain misleading..But in turn if you look at the agendas and voting records of the two major parties we seem to be stuck with the Democrats since the southerners left over civil rights legislation is the party that cares about what is good for the U.S. including its power behind diversity and the american dream that if any man or woman despite what socio-economic background,sexual preference or lack thereof,creed,race or even sometimes disability who decides to work hard and apply themselves has equal protection under law to do so...And we aren't even fully there yet and the backwards,rebel flag flying,wishing it was the 50's or before, women bashing,racist,bible thumpers on the right with their practice what we preach not as we do cause nobody but christ could be so perfect ideals of the TEA Party members are trying to drag us back to their nostalgic past that most of us didn't see as such a great time...Blah...Blah...Blah...That's all this is to you anyway..You are the one that is either in one of the aforementioned categories of the right or braindamaged...Or I could be wrong..Maybe you don't vote at all which is better if you think the TEA PARTY has the answers.....
And I think I said the lay-offs started then, not were all then....Maybe I didn't I stand corrected..The rest of them happened in the beginning of his term and just maybe he was doing bigger things than subsidising defense contractors...I think they have had enough subsidies over the last 72 years since our never ending occupation of the world since 1940...
...Give it up sw philly...you can post as many times as you want...but you are wrong.
I am wrong about what ? The dates that your fellow rightie posted on here ? I think not...Don't read much ? just talk and type huh ?
I said that the layoffs started during Bush's term and by the dates posted they did...Find other facts if you don't want me to see the side that makes sense...Who is Dumb ?
David, awesome job on the research! Still have yet to see any libbie respond with any sort of fact! Amazing when you present fact they just yell out more insults! As far as all of you gals saying repubs are against womens rights how are you not better off than you have ever been? How many women millionaires are there from companies like Microsoft, Dell, and so on. The libbie arguement is the same as saying, " well whatever I am taking my free toys from other peoples money and going home you dummy conservatives!"
More freebies per capita and tax dollars paid go to deep red states... Now those are the dummies voting against their own interest as are the ones that don't realize S.S. , medicare , unemployment , FHA loans , VA loans and on and on are government " Freebies" that all working class people take part in and are all programs that the GOP wants to cut so their rich friends won't have to pay more taxes...Or are they only freebies when " Urban ( code word ) " people apply for them ?
http://www.securitydefenceagenda.org/Contentnavigation/Library/Libraryoverview/tabid/1299/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1487/categoryId/85/Boeing-announces-defence-layoffs-whilst-GE-eyes-Chinese-technology-alliance.aspx
How much of that technology will be copied by the Chinese and end up in their aircraft? How long before they start creating cheap versions and start undercutting U.S. manufacturers?
Another great example of Obama's "insourcing" and keeping jobs here in America thanks to Jeff Emelt Obamas Jobs Guru...
DAVID: You're blaming this trend on Obama??? This stuff has been going on for the last 35 years, nothing new here.
Oh, and Jeff Immelt, he's a registered Republican.
Wouldn't they be able to buy these planes anyway and reverse engineer them? Hey maybe we will learn something from them ? After all the WASPS in this country really aren't the master race like they think..Our diversity has made us climb to the top of the world...Ever notice that after WW2 with the beginings of desegragation in our country that we started our climb do most powerful nation on earth with the largest economy....Just think if stopped trying to be the world police force and imperial super-power how much more money we would have for investment to grow our economic status even more..Ever wonder how Germany and Japan did so good after the war ? Maybe it has something to do with not concentrating on taking over the world like some comic bad guy evil mastermind or George Bush..
It was called the Marshal Plan sw philly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
And that plan included protection with the clause for them to not militarize...And imagine that economic stimulus with a cherry on top because that works to rebuild corporations and munincipalities and whole countries alike when they are ailing for any reason even mismanagement...Kinda like ours after tax cuts and wars with big government no-bid contracts to Bush's buddies,that this president is still paying for and taking all kinds of FOX News bullpucky about...Atleast he has turned them around..Won one of them and ended it and is winning the other and will end it soon..
The ONLY thing this narcissist can do is spend our taxpayer money on flying around the country campaigning, aside from that he does absolutely NOTHING!
He is seriously a pathetic parasite they could never make money on his own merits, he needs others to suffer for him to gain.
ROC: Yea, he's a no good SOB. Who the hell does Obama think he is, jetting around the country on the tax payers dime??? Uh, maybe like every other president whose preceded him??? Were you this upset when Dubya was flitting about, while simultaneously driving our economy as well as the entire country over a cliff???
"Dubya" didn't spend billions of $$ for NOTHING....he didn't just waste money on Ca$h for Clunker$ and a bankrupt $olindra!!!!
No he spent it all on Halliburton his VP's company...Kinda like bailing out the texas savings and loan when your son and freinds were involved in the misapropiations like his daddy..
HAHAHA - oh really? Let's see, how much did it cost for each WMD recovered from Iraq? Money spent, a few trillion. WMDs located and destroyed, zero. Money spent to take out bin Laden, a few hundred billion, number of bin Laden's taken out, zero. Now, let's see, zero is equivalent to nil, or even NOTHING. Wow, sure does seem like he spent billions of $$ for zero, zero, zero results.
True, justone;
dubya spent the billions of $$ by giving it to his veep (thru the no-bid military contracts) and his rich family,friends and supporters (thru the reduced taxes which have helped backrupt this nation.)
And that is not to mention the way he LIED to America, NATO, and the world about WMD's just so he could have some excuse to "go after" his family's enemy Saddam and be where the oil is...
Now, you want to continue this line? Let us try to place some $$ value on the 5 thousand fine American lives he spent in that last mentioned endeavor....
If I were you, I wouldn't even go there --- but I guess it is typical of the tunnel visioned, un-thinking, myopic RNC/TEA people who are unable to see past the end of their noses and consider the ramifications and consequenses of their actions and positions....
Was President Obama's NLRB concerned about exports while they were screwing over Boeing?
Unbelievable that the President would try to associate himself with Boeing's success. Well not so unbelievable, since his goal from day one has been to be re-elected.
Where have you been?
LET US: Do you know any other president who "doesn't want to be re-elected"???
OK, LBJ in '68. Any others in recent memory???
I don't object to the President wanting and working to be re-elected. But when that objective transcends and trumps everything else, I don't believe we're getting the type of leadership we need.
Have yet to see of that liberal hate be backed up by some sort of fact to refute any of the fact put forth by David! I am sure some of those layoffs will be women! Will the women then blame Obama for setting them back a 100 yrs or complani about how he doesn't care about womens rights? I seriously doubt it!!!
TEA TARD: You're blaming Obama for anyone who gets laid off, is that it???
And no, few woman will blame Obama for not caring about them. Woman vote resoundingly for Obama, expecially after this latest fiasco about birth control.
TeaPartyNot Terrorist: With everything that they have spewed out of their mouth's about taking the country back(yet they never can explain taking it back from who?) and showing and acting with a low level intellect that would make Glover Norquist look smart(WTF) to appear to be anything else just reminds you of alot of flip flopping Mitt Romney's.
Ozzie Boy-2719086
Oops...careful Ozzie, your IQ is showing....
BTW if you think emelt is a repub you're an idiot! Sorry the richest 1% that Mr. ALL CAPS keeps talking about are mostly libs. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and the rest of those 1%ers who were on Marthas Vineyard. You know that place that the pres and first lady had to take two seperate planes to get to. In addition Mr. Buffett does not pay himself a salary so that he can dodge the tax rate. Also look at the battle he is involved in with IRS. He fights them every year on his taxes. As for Mitt and others, they pay the Capitol Gains rate. Just so you know they already paid taxes at 35% on the salary they use to make those investments. Tell you what liberals lets all take out our tax bills and lets see how much of the tax bill that 1% pays and how much you pay. If it were not for them all of your welfare and medicare and SS and disability would not be there. Until that 47% decides to start paying some of their fair share they don't have a leg to stand on! Be careful about biting the hand that feeds you!
how come mr obama only speaks how great gm is,how about telling ford what a great company they are with great business men that run it, with out billions of tax payers money
They do get alot of tax payer and corporate money through all of the fleet vehichles they sell to munincipalities and corporations and all companies which then turn around and use the depreciation on those same vehichles as a tax write-off...Lets see where ford is when companies modernize their fleets with the new technology GM is putting out there..And they got helped with cash for clunkers the most while the other two of the big three were busy closing dealers and restructuring and didn't have as much of a chance to .
These Obama supporters don't want to deal in the reality of 46% of all Americans are living in or at the edge of poverty.
They don't want to deal in the reality that Obama has been printing so much money that he's devalued the dollar to the point it's no longer a world currency.
They just shut their brains off to any kind of realistic evaluation of Obama's performance and just take the campaign rhetoric hook line and sinker.
I never read were so many people have educated themselves into stupid. Much like the man they support.
And what drove them there? At least Obama is attempting to correct the downward crash that he inherited, which is the cause of so many living on the edge of poverty.
Oh Ozzie you're very good at name calling. When you're ready to talk facts then we can have a discussion. Hey Obama is the out there touting how many jobs he is or has created. Yes I am aware that women vote for Obama. Well most women who want to baby and nurture little boys who want others to pay there way. It's striking to hear how little you libs know about this countrys history and how and why it was founded. Again, show me where socialism has worked? You mean Greece, France, Italy, Portugal...The only reason Canada cam out of their recession is because...wait for, wait for it, THEY DRILLED FOR OIL!!!! Oh I can hear the environmental whack jobs and other libbies crying in the govt check lines!!!
Don't you dare cash a social security check or use medi-care or VA services for that matter if you can't stand socialism that much that you re-invent the centrist president into a socialist...You see a little socialism is good for society's well being and overall health but yes a socialist republic of this size would be doomed to fail...But trust me very few people using social services benifits are not willing to work hard to get out from under that umbrella...Unfortunately the GOP's stupid cut taxes then spend policies have crippled this country so some people just gotta eat and go to the doctor or atleast take their children...If you don't like it sounds like you are pretty rich just move to an island and create that old utopia you righties want..You know the one with jim crow or even slavery and no voting for women and you can slap them around again with-in reason of course...Hell maybe even ban alcohol for everybody except the rich who can afford the smuggled stuff..Hey and the prohibition laws will give you a reason to start a for profit prison to lock-up the undesirables...WoW we sure do miss the nostaligia of this country before those damn progressives made it so bad...SIKE>>>
sw philly
Careful sw philly, your IQ is showing AGAIN!!
It's 152 :)
ha ha....who's gotta know their own IQ??? lol
Elizabeth Warren's is only 150 and she's a genius. A person's IQ would have to be under 80 to believe Philly's statement!
sw phiily
You claim Obama is trying. But trying to do what? He's signed two Bills into law that strip American citizens of their Constitutional protection. Its been reported that large internment camps are being built in the South.
He's increased the national debt to where its going to take generations to pay it down.
He printed so much money that China, which holds a great deal of our dept, publicly scolded him like a child not once but 3 times for devaluing our dollar.
He created a debt crises at the beginning of August, 2011 that had our credit rating lowered for the first time in history.
After the gulf oil spill in which spent the first nine days of it on vacation and couldn't be bothered, his refusal to allow Republican Governors from the States to start their own clean up thus making the clean up harder and more costly.But that wasn't the worse part, he sent the EPA into Republican States to shut down refineries causing gas prices to skyrocket.
The bulk of the 3.3 million jobs he claimed to have created were seasonal part time jobs that no longer exist. Others compromise of the new companies that he lent money to that ended up bankrupt because there was no import protection from cheaper imports that forced those companies out of business.
His trying has cost every family share of the national debt to increase from $45,000.00 when Obama took office to $122,303.00 at the beginning of August, 2011 when Obama's debt crises hit.
According to the White house, when the Affordable Health Care Acts full benefit take effect in 2024, 33 million Americans still won't be able to get any health care services.
According to the CBO revised numbers after Obama's health care act was signed into law, the Affordable health care act will bankrupt this country.
He had the power to pass Tax reform for two years but never proposed it to Congress when he had the power to pass it as easily as the Affordable Health Care Act. Why?
You claim to have an IQ of 152. Means nothing if you don't use that brain power. I get it, you see Obama as the lesser of two evils.
Look to the third party, the independent party. What else can you do, when the Democrats and Republicans are failing this country.
One more thing Ozzie, I don't fault him for wanting to be reelected. I just don't want him to get reeelected because he is running the greatest country in the world into the ground!!