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Subscribe to RSSTwo female members of Congress walked out of Thursday's House oversight committee hearing in protest. NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports.
The whistle in the tea pot over the fight over religious freedom and birth control sounded last week. And today it continued into Week Two with jaw-dropping comments about aspirin between women’s legs as birth control by a prominent supporter of a Republican presidential candidate; a hearing on Capitol Hill, where a member walked out and another accused the committee chairman of wanting to go back to a "dark and primitive era"; and a bill in Virginia that all-but outlaws abortions.
“Back in my days they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives,” said Foster Friess, the principal financial backer of a pro-Rick Santorum Super PAC, on MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Reports earlier today. “They put it between their knees. The gals put it between their knees, and it wasn’t that costly."
At the Capitol Hill Oversight Committee hearing, entitled, "Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?" chaired by Obama thorn Darrell Issa, R-Calif., a Democratic congresswoman walked out in protest over no women being included in a morning panel.
Another, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., asked, “Where are the women?” and chastised Issa for what she saw as him wanting to take the country back to a “dark and primitive era.”
Maloney briefly left the panel to attend to other business and later returned, but D.C. Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton walked out in protest over the lack of balance.
Democrats wanted a Georgetown law student, who takes birth control for an ovarian cyst, to testify, but Issa denied the request saying, she was ineligible because she goes to Georgetown, which is Catholic, and she’s not a member of the clergy. (Of course, women aren’t allowed in leadership positions in the Catholic Church.)
Women were included in an afternoon panel. But they weren’t exactly there for ideological balance -- not that it was entirely ideologically balanced under Democratic chairmanship. The witnesses were: Dr. Allison Dabbs Garrett of Oklahoma Christian University and Dr. Laura Champion of Calvin College Health Services in Michigan. The description of the school on Calvin College’s front page: “Loving God with heart, soul, mind and strength.” It’s a school “grounded in an unwavering Christian faith.”
Planned Parenthood had a field day with a photo from the morning session. Its Facebook page posting about it had 3,852 comments, 5,495 “likes”, and 9,454 shares, as of 3:30 p.m. ET.
In Virginia, Republicans have a super majority in the legislature and AP reported yesterday, it "has muscled two of the most restrictive anti-abortion bills in years through the Virginia House, including one that would all but outlaw the procedure in the state by declaring that the rights of persons apply from the moment sperm and egg unite. The bills passed over bitter yet futile objections from Democrats. And one GOP delegate caused the House to ripple when he said most abortions come as ‘matters of lifestyle convenience.'"
“Del. Bob Marshall's House Bill 1 on personhood at conception passed on a 66-32 vote. And on a 63-36 vote, the House passed a bill that requires women to have a ‘transvaginal ultrasound’ before undergoing abortions ... The bills now go to the Senate, which has passed Sen. Jill Vogel's companion to Del. Kathy Byron's ultrasound measure. There is no Senate mirror legislation to Marshall's personhood bill, which prescribes criminal penalties for those who would violate its provisions, but Sen. Bill Stanley, R-Franklin County, won passage Tuesday of a measure that would permit wrongful death civil lawsuits against those who kill a fetus.”
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Does the party of pale, male & stale really believe women are just gonna roll over & take it?
Not on my watch!
Screw Issa & his 21st century witch hunt!
Message to the Fem-Nazi's; Stop planting YOUR flags in women's uterus's!
GOP/Koch is making much of this issue not because they care about women. What they care about is forwarding the religious right power structure.
The old Boys are in the business of keeping women in their place in this country.
The President understands:
We are a nation of women AND men. A nation of full and equal citizens.
I think this should drastically increase the registration of women voters this year. It's hard to believe that anyone would think such a thing in 2012, much less "joke" about this on television. It is hard to imagine how any political party can be as blatantly sexist and racist as today's GOP.
unsustainable coming from an Obama appointee, finally, they are waking up, what you say betty?
The gender "women" are all pro-choice liberals? Who knew?
Unbelievable! Women are 56% of the voters in the general election. Are the lawmakers in the state of Virginia assuming women in Virginia will not vote?? Are these men insane, masochistic or just stupid? Women in America are going to be slapped into burkas and they're not going to turn on them in fury? morons!!
Bob: you don't have to be "pro-choice" to believe women aren't stupid enough to have to have their government make their reproductive choices for them. Choice. Get it now?
Nothing like keeping women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.....
Hopefully this will be a wake up call to Americans to show how the GNOP wants to bring us back to the dark ages....
Talk about aborting Civil Rights ( and of course "less" government)
Nuts! Ridiculous dribble like this could put Mitt back in contention! On the other hand, RWNJ's may really feed on this gargage!
Feisty: "...women are just gonna roll over & take it?"
That... no, not going to do it. Too easy :)
Man do we need to get control of the House then we can shut this guys piehole!
The GOPTP men just keep proving that they are really stupid. Women have the right to vote today (unless the GOPers decide that's evil, too) but apparently their sick, dark ages mentality on birth control has yet to comprehend that we have, we do and we will vote against every single one of them.
Bob is just excited because his state can now charge a a woman that has a miscarriage with murder, and he wants to be on the jury panel that convicts with a death sentence. His hate of women is that strong.
Polls show the ultrasound requirement is supported by Virginia voters, both men and women.
Numerous other states have implemented this requirement.
The 5th circuit Court of Appelas upheld the constitutionality of a similar law in Texas.
You may find that out, bob, if ANY effort is made to outlaw contraceptives, or make them difficult to access.
Bob, rape is rape, even if it is state ordered. This will not be taken well by most women who are not at the mercy of taliban like Republican men.
Given your penchant for embellishing the truth - you won't mind providing some of those 'polls' will ya boob?
Senator Jill Vogel, R-Winchester, calls her legislation, Senate Bill 484, something that's "not new to most people," but a measure that could gain some momentum this year.
As part of the state's informed consent law, Vogel would like to require all women seeking an abortion to have an ultrasound, with the option of reviewing the images after the test.
"It's one thing to have information available, but if you have technology there and it's part of your clinical visit, it would seem that you would want to have the opportunity- or at least the right- to have the information about the ultrasound," said Vogel.
She pointed to the approximately 20 states across the country that have passed similar legislation, and continued, "I find it interesting that the majority of people actually believe that it's fair and that it's a good law."
Vogel is referring to a recent Mason-Dixon poll, commissioned by the conservative group, Family Foundation of Virginia, that found the majority of Virginians do support a required ultrasound.
According to the study, 54 percent of people back the law, 28 percent oppose it and 18 percent are undecided.
Interestingly, more women back the idea than men, with 57 percent of women lending their support compared to 50 percent of men.
Disturbing. An asprin!!!!!! WTF!
Still waiting for some polls to back up you claim...
Posting comments from a right wing nut bragging about her legislation isn't gonna cut it little buddy!
Put up or shut up!
If this is supposed to be a huge fight about religious freedom and reproductive rights, why is it that only Republicans are walking around with black eyes? Is it because they have found themselves yet again on the wrong side of an important issue? Will this be the end of the GOP as we know it when they ultimately self-destruct? Stay tuned!
Feisty:
Not only do they want you to roll over and take it, they want dress you up in the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas costume and make you take it with an aspirin between your knees. The kink these guys dream up is makes a circle jerk seem tame.
It seems that RedDevPS lacks the intellectual horsepower to debate with Feisty on the issues and is resorting to vulgar juvenile insults. Epic fail, RedDev.
Ummmm.... Sailcat - RedDev is on our side! ;o)
His particular brand of sarcasm takes some getting used to! lol
PS: Good to see you back on board the good ship 'SS Lefty Liberal"
PS: Boob - still waiting for those polls you were referring to... come on little buddy, I know you can do it!
Bob in Virginia -
I have no problem with you cutting and pasting the article about Jill Vogel. But it's normally considered plagiarism if you don't at least try to give credit to the actual writer:
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-abortion-in-virginia-jill-vogel-right-to-life-issues-virginia-senator-ultrasound-requirement-planned-parenthood-of-virginia-family-foundation-of-virginia-20120125,0,5474094.story
Prepare for more GOP/TP assaults at the state-level. Virgina is a Poster of Child for what can happen when Teapublicans take over. We need more women in office too. What's with men jamming through legislation against women's rights?
We are seeing the right-wing attacks against the Affordable Health Care Act, which is expected, and we're seeing Roe v Wade & the Hyde Amendment are still under attack, which is surprising but expected, but this new rage against women's rights in general, whether health care and birth control -- It is so beyond the pale.
OMG this fringe fundamentalism is like fears of the Muslim Brotherhood taking over in Egypt and other countries in the Middle East. What the people of the world want is progress, freedom, jobs, equality -- NOT to go backward. But here in the US? WTF?
About the ultrasound requirement, who pays for it? It's bad enough to require an unnecessary and invasive procedure like this without the woman's consent (i.e., against her will), but if the woman has to pay for it, how does it differ from the mandate to buy health insurance from the for-profit private sector? And if the tax payers pay for it? Limited government my arse, you damn right-wing hypocrites.
TruePatriot
That is egg on their face, but as we all know, egg doesn't stick to teflon, which describes the GOP/TP party to a tee. It is the same old oxymoron; screams for smaller government while they enact massive legislation that criminalizes your every move. My question is who goes to prison and for how long if the test isn't administered? That is after all, another conservative value, imprison the masses for slight infractions. The privatized prison system is the bread and butter for conservative investors.
Bob ####says: "The 5th circuit Court of Appelas upheld the constitutionality of a similar law in Texas"
No Bob.........Your Virginia law is an invasive ultrasound...literally poking and proding around inside a womans uterus.....Texas law is the traditional untrasound.
Both are medically unnecessary and should never have seen the light of day.
Does any still believe that Republican's don't hate women ?
"RedDev is on our side! "
Oh, damn. Sorry about that! The internet is just the place for people to misunderstand other people and be misunderstood in return.
Mea culpa...
Texas and Virginia both run by republicans both on there way back to the dark ages they will be burning witches next If women don't rise up & vote these idiots out then we are on our way to the 1890s again
under the red hats and robes are brown shirts and jack boots.. the good christian women of America can see their dreams of equality thrown under the bus by these men and they wont take it anymore
Is anyone surprised that the state of Virginia --where an individual can buy 12 guns a year, a state that outlawed inter-racial marriage until 1967, the home state of Eric Cantor-- would be on the anti-contraceptive bandwagon?
What are you Virginians going to do with all those resulting unwanted babies... shoot them?
I am appalled and disgusted by the Republican Taliban... this assault on women and reproductive rights is nothing short of a modern day witch hunt. Shame on these draconian "conservatives" and their radical and hateful political agenda! I have come to despise them and I now see that they are the enemies of freedom and liberty!
Bob, this may come as a surprise to you, but there is a big difference between a trans-vaginal ultrasound and a normal external ultrasound. Think the difference between a colonoscopy and external intestinal palpation.
Dodge, weave, deflect anything but talk about the real issues of how to fix the economy and put people back to work.
"Dodge, weave, deflect anything but talk about the real issues of how to fix the economy and put people back to work."
What? I know you guys want to shut your eyes and pretend that nothing is getting better, along with forgetting that Bush ever existed, but sonner or later your going to have to face the fact that the country is finally healing after the butal beating it took under 8 years of Republican rule! Unemployment is falling, the stock market is rising, manufacturing is growing...
Sorry Baldeagle11, I thought you were one of those blind teabaggers. Now I realize you were TALKING to them. LOL
It reminds me of the non-issue the first George Bush used-- flag burning-- to deflect criticism away from his do-nothing administration. It didn't work out very well for Republicans that time either. When will they learn?
The GOP's plan to fix the economy is more trickle down economics...ouch...they don't realize the jig is up.
Who died, and made Darrell Issa GOD? He is the reason we need to be able to fire these "BUMS" !
Thanks San Diego. Please vote him out this time round. Your village has to be missing this idiot.
Darrell Issa a theif and a lair.
I'd like to know how many hearings they had on jobs bills instead of idiocy like this and like the hearings last year villifying the Muslims.
Didn't they just do this story?
I'm a Catholic woman something I can tell none of you are. News flash: I support my church and fiesty and backhouse don't speak for me. It doesn't matter if every Catholic woman in America took birth control the Catholic church isn't a democracy. In matters of faith and morals only one voice counts and he has his own country.
And you don't speak for me either sweetheart !
Oh boy! So when did the Pope become God? or the voice of God? Sorry, I like to go to the source, you know Jesus, all by myself thanks.
Thank the good Lord he gave us free will.
Folks are worried about sharia, but they bow down to a foreign born cult leader, the pope. Why is he making healthcare decisions for American women?
@Devie-
All you have to do is get a hold of Rick Perry. He talks to Jesus all of the time at that rock ranch of his. Recently Jesus called him up and told him he was kidding him about staying in the race.
lonereb
Well spoken. The Church promulgates doctrine; adherence is the responsibility of it's members. Bravo to you for standing by your faith, most catholic women take a pass on this part of Church doctrine.
However, by forcing this issue, the Catholic Bishops risk crossing the fault line and making themselves completely irrelevant.
And NO ONE is forcing you, lonereb, to use contraceptives either! I respect your faith, I respect the Catholic faith. It is your right but you do NOT have the right to enforce your faith and your beliefs on anyone else. That's what the First Amendment is all about--the freedom of religion and freedom from religion. You are free to worship as you please and to accept the doctrine your faith provides but I am also free NOT to accept that doctrine.
What on earth are you talking about. You do know that pope is not the head of this country, do you not? You see any families of 8-10 in church any more? Guess why? THE WOMEN ARE USING CONTRACEPTIVES, you loon.
@ New Day
Hmmm........ I guess you mean the rhythm method isn't as effective as they told us it was in school.
Exactly that Wayne! And thanks for the chuckle!
So, lonereb, you listen to the man in the far away country....The Vatican?
lonereb: you do realize you're a walking poster child against Catholic politicians in the United States? Why on earth would you confuse your religion with politics and expect no one to notice?
I think that the fact that only a chosen few were allowed to testify at this conference is very telling. Can't stand the light of day, or testimony representing mainstream opinion of those that would be most seriously affected if this drivel were to be legislated, huh?
Lonereb, your kind of Catholic church is why all my relatives -- every one of them, beginning with my grandparents before they even met and married -- left the church. And in case you haven't been paying attention in the past few days -- 98% of all Catholic women have used contraception at some time in their lives. 56% support President Obama's requirement that religious organizations offer free contraception as part of the health care package for their employees.
So much for your arguments.
Well Lonereb, this country is not ruled by religion, or at least it should not be. I am no longer Catholic, mostly because of the money WASTED by the church to protect criminal priests..so until they get right with every child abused by a priest, the church has no moral high ground to judge any one else.
I'm not what one might call a "religious person", and as a woman, I do not receive free contraception from my insurance. That being said, I don't expect it. If I want to have sex, I'm not going to require my employer to fund in full my sexual needs, let alone the Catholic Church.
These nut cases would send this country back to the age of the robber barons in terms of economic disparity and societal morays. Come back to the 21st century stop trying to make this country into a theocracy. Darrell Issa the cry baby(how come I didn't win the re-call vote?). What's next if you don't conceive during ovulation you've committed manslaughter or if you masturbate the same charge? It's a wonder anyone would vote for these frauds.
The Catholic church... hiders of pedophilia,run by men only for men only, clutching their power and wealth by intimidation.
Next - every miscarriage will be investigated to see if the mother was careless and should be charged with manslaughter or murder.
Oh man that was a classic! I lived in California back then and what they did to Davis was a crime. Issa blabbered on TV and Arnold stole his thunder. Had Arnold not jumped in Issa would never have never been elect governor anyway. Gray would have mopped the floor with darrell.
Native San Diegan here devie. I can NOT understand how Issa gets re elected. I realize that San Diego politics trend right, but Issa...really?
Darrell Issa should be investigated...his waste of taxpayers funds is a crime in itself.
blearyeyed: you do realize that a state lawmaker in Tennessee introduced that very bill...criminalizing miscarriage? (a woman suffering a miscarriage would have to "prove" it was accidental). It didn't get out of committee, but I tell you these American Taliban folks and their efforts to impose their version of Sharia law are frightening...
Since the economy is improving, the wars are winding down, this is all the Republicans can muster as a talking point? Add Santorum and Gingrich, and these people are real popular with the womens' vote.
Just when you thought the males in the GOPTP could not prove themselves to be even more anti-women's rights than previously thought, along comes Darryl Issa and Foster Friess. Issa, Friess and Santorum deserve each other--a trio of sick, creepy characters.
Add to that mix Romney, who has recently converted to 'severe conservatism'. The entire GOP/TP fields is getting creepy now that religion is out in front as a talking point.
Add to that the bills in Virginia and you have a hat trick of anti-female actions.
For God's sake Pres. Obama, stay out of this one. Let them think they are going to ride to VICTORY on a ground swell of anti-birth control, anti abortion, anti-insurance, tax free (for the wealthy) social issues and anyone but Obama mantra. Keep your mouth shut until they select their Mullah in Chief.
Heck Texan, the president didn't bring this issue up. That was the teapublicans. They have pinned their hopes on yet another non issue.
Wayne
Agree. The GOP hands him this golden nugget. I am saying he should resist the temptation to respond, just let them hang themselves.
That tactic might work here, but he cannot avoid every non issue they bring up. That is what Kerry thought would work with the swift boaters.
How did someone elses birth control ever become my expense in the first place? Is there nothing a liberal can take responsibilty for paying for themselves? We really need a better example of a leader in the White House.....
How did someone elses religion ever become my expense in the first place?
I agree with that to Bleary
Personal responsibility seems to be missing from the conversation. No one is talking about making contraceptives illegal, the question is who should pay for them. Most people seem to be able to pay for Starbucks, fast food, cell phones, internet, etc. If they had to pay for their own contraception, my guess is that they would find a way.
We pay for them through our insurance premiums. Or have you forgotten that those exist?
Yeah, why should I pay for your Viagra?
Reader: you're joking right? "personal responsibility" is missing from the conversation about preventing contraception? Is it about anything else? This is a battle about substituting religious and extremist dogma for a woman's personal choice over her own body...and yes, she has to pay for it through her insurance.
UAW, last I checked, my insurance costs were already subsidizing:
smokers who won't put it out, tanners who won't SPF, obese people who are supersizing it, and old men who can't get it up. I'm not even getting into the thousands upon thousands of "elective" procedures that individuals get physicians who find medical necessity for.
And yes, is this a wildly obtuse statement that has little founding in the fact that some people have genuine medical need? of course. But the argument "against" birth control has blatantly ignored that bc drugs can be used for medical reasons.
I actually don't mind a little proactive birth control. I mean, a lifetime's worth of the pill is WAY cheaper than having to subsidize a child that couldn't be afforded.
If the GOTP is whining about it, it must be something good for America and it's citizens. Good for America=bad for the GOTP.
Hey , liberal MSNBC, listen to your employee Joe Scarborough: “The one thing I would only warn my friends in Manhattan and Washington and LA and in the mainstream media is that America is much more conservative – I’m not saying Rick Santorum conservative – but much more conservative on social issues than they would like to think.”
“But the media I find,” Scarborough pointed out, “has always had a real blind spot on social issues just because, you know, it’s Manhattan, New York, instead of Manhattan, Kansas. It’s just a cultural thing.”
Not surprisingly, polls do support Scarborough’s view.
A January CBS News/New York Times poll found only 37 percent believe abortion should be “generally available” to the public while an equal amount feel there should be “stricter limits” with 23 percent claiming they shouldn’t be available at all. What that means is 60 percent of those polled say abortion laws should be stricter than they currently are.
Scarborough's a republican, he's been spouting that line about America being conservative since he was in Congress. He's wrong on this and the polls say so.
Why are you changing the conversation from contraceptives to abortion? One prevents the other and I would assume contraception would be preferrable to abortion. How can you argue a study of one relates to the other? The national attitude toward contraceptives isn't anything at all like the attitude toward abortion.
From
Amid continued controversy surrounding an Obama administration policy mandating that women working at religiously-affiliated institutions be provided with free access to contraceptive health care, a new CBS News/New York Times poll shows that most Americans - including Catholics - appear to support the rule.
According to a survey, conducted between Feb. 8-13, 61 percent of Americans support federally-mandated contraception coverage for religiously-affiliated employers; 31 percent oppose such coverage.
The number is similar among self-professed Catholics surveyed: 61 percent said they support the requirement, while 32 percent oppose it.
Majorities of both men and women said they are in favor of the mandate, though support among women is especially pronounced, with 66 percent supporting and 26 percent opposing it. Among men, 55 percent of men are in favor; 38 percent object.
so 74% favor allowing abortion, half with some restrictions. That's conservative???????
23% don't want it at all.
The numbers are 74-23 in favor of choice. I am willing to bet that there are not too many ladies who would agree with forcing unnecessary medical testing as part of any restriction.
Your supposition was that all conservatives have exactly the same opinion about everything, therefore the attitudes about contraceptives are the same as the attitudes about abortion.
You need a class in critical thinking.
blearyeyed: for theocratic evangelical conservative catholics, like Santorum, contraceptives ARE abortion. The only purpose behind having sex (even with your wife) is to procreate, according to Catholic dogma. If you use contraception, you are killing a human being. That is the stance Santorum takes.
GOP, progressing at the speed of oil based paint drying to the 1720's.
Bob in Virginia: There's a Rasmussen poll at the end of 2011 that shows Americans with the highest level of support for abortion since abortion became legal--with 57% agreeing that abortion remain a legal option for women. that genie is not going back in the bottle. Forcing women to undergo a medical ultrasound (you ought to look that up...it is NOT routine and many doctors are strongly objecting to this) AND paying for it is soon going to be before the courts. Since there's no medical reason for this, and Virginia is not even pretending there is, I'm guessing the outcome will mean this will be overturned (no, it is NOT the same as the Texas law).
The problem is that Virginia Bob is right. The main christian religions - protestant and catholic - did not get to be the powerhouses they are today by arguing their positions in the public square. They know how to do it, how to get them young, really drive home the family prejudices, put kids in a position where leaving the church means leaving their whole life - family, friends, communal support, the whole thing. For those of us brought up in that environment, the choice to leave the faith looks a lot like the choice to commit suicide.
This is the main reason, BTW, for the attacks on education and the drive toward home-schooling and charter schools, etc. They know just how important it is to 'normalize' their religion for the kids, before any other ideas get in there. The kids grow up, hopefully without exposure to any real critical thinking requirements (easy enough to do with all the religious universities around), have kids and the whole thing keeps going.
So quietly, out of sight, whole huge communities of true believers grow in rural isolation, with everything from education to employment to their social lives - even now the news, thanks to Fox - dominated by the influence of the church. There are a lot of them, they have a lot of tax-free money and now congressional power through their tea party successes, and they have decided the time is right. Several have told me the SCOTUS is dominated by conservatives and possibly ready to re-decide issues that the religious lost earlier.
They may be stupid, but they are nevertheless strong, and they sincerely believe their religious freedom means the freedom to force us by law to live by their beliefs. Underestimate them at your peril.
So do you think the majority of Americans want women to undergo transvaginal probes, even if it is against their will and against medical advice? do you think that the majority of Americans want every woman who had a miscarriage to be crimminal investigated as to whether the miscarriage should be deemed murder? Do you believe that the majority of Americans believe that a hospital has not only the right to refuse to accept a patient on religious grounds, but also not have that person transported to a hospital that will admit?
How about this being conservative and dealing with one's freedom of religion. Take a company whose owner is a very devout Orthodox Jew. Orthodox Judaism rejects all organ transplants on religious grounds. That being the case, should the health coverage of this company's employees not include cornea or organ transplants? The company is Orthodox. Even if the vast majority of the employees are not Orthodox Jews, should they be denied that coverage? After all, providing coverage for transplants violates the owner's religious beliefs? Would the majority of Americans approve of that?
since you are a backer of Virginia's governor - is it your position that once pregnant a woman no longer has any rights over her body? By the way who is going to pay for the probe? Her health insurance won't because it is medically unnecessary? Is Virginia going to pay for this? By the way, who is going to do this? How much profit? Are they supporters of the governor? Cronyism?
I'm not a atholic anymore. The Pope gets no say in my personal life, and believe me, I'm going to be out there wprking to put a stop to this nonsense.
We aren't really talking about abortion anymore. Now they're after contraception, which almost any woman in the country has used or does use.
The "personhood" ammendment is a license to kill women. There's no out for ectopic pregnancies, or any other health issue that might come up. There's no provision for mdical use of the pill.
They think they're going to slide it by under the guise of overturning Roe v Wade, but the goal is to control every aspect of Americans' sex life.
How's that for government interference? This is what they call small government?????
Let's use some good old Obama commone sense on this birth control issue. Since he believes the people who use it should be charged nothing. When your contraceptive services are completed the vendor DOES NOT bill you. But you do get the bill for the next person in line. That way everyone gets birth control paid for by someone else....
Well speaking of common sense...Actually, women pay for birth control through their insurance. Just like you are covered for your viagra.... That way, everyone gets to pay to keep you happy.
Wow so instead of paying for minor stuff like viagra myself. I should cut a check to the Insurance company and let them give it back to me and think that is no cost viagra? Wouldnt we be better off paying for minor medications our self in exchange for cheaper rates on catastrophic illnesses? You know the stuff we really need financial protection against. I'm just thinking out loud here.....
All Republicans want is to secure a place between a woman's legs for public intrusion and probe her uterus for life forms. They demand that women have no right to prevent pregnancy either. Women also have to risk vaginal cancer, unwanted pregnancy, dangerous pregnancy, and the results of sexual crimes. Apparently, Catholic doctrine trumps the constitutional rights of American women to the extent that they are rendered unable to make a personal decision regarding reproduction and reproductive health.
Republicans are learning to treat women like radical Islamists do. Subjection and servitude are chauvinist fantasies. It is time to give their wives a free pair of scissors in an under-the-pillow padded case and a sign reading "NO! No sex, no dinner, no Viagra, no touching, no anything. You do not have the right to choose. You have no idea what you could lose."
Gosh Affinity, so true. Sad but true.
The problem is that they will probably get away with it. They are doing it at the state level with Virginia being the perfect example. Issues will come up, since the Virginia's requirement for a vaginal probe is not medically required, then the woman's health insurance won't pick it up. Is the state going to pay for it? Of course not, governments should not be involved in healthcare. Thus the woman has to pay for a procedure that she doesn't want and didn't even consent to.
There is one curious thing, where is the AMA in all of this? Have they taken a stand on laws like these? I haven't heard anything.
Well, Virginia Republicans' biggest problem, which will make all this posturing moot, is right next door: Maryland, which is liberal. So you can forbid abortion and contraceptives all you want. Just like most of the guns used in crime commission in the Mid Atlantic are from Virginia, so contraceptives used all over Virginia will come from Maryland. No trans-vaginal sonogram necessary.
How ironic.
I think what the Presiden's plan says is that contraceptives should be covered under insurance paid for by someone. That someone is probably in part, at least, the person covered under the insurance. If one's conviction is not to use contraceptives they won't regardless whether covered or not. Those who prefer to use contraceptives will regardless. All this is just a diversion cooked up so we don't have to discuss the improving economy.
Americans are fixated on their libido. They incessantly debate gay rights, abortion, birth control etc and give it their full attention. If we named it the libido bankruptcy of the nation,americans would take steps to prevent our financial ruin. This whole issue of contraception belongs in a soap opera script and not a national attention issue.
When I hear how the catholic church sides with the Republicans and the Insurance companies to deny women the right to have birth control, it reminds me of a song from Serge Lama, a French pop singer, that synthesizes the situation the Roman Catholic Church finds itself right now:
"And even when they raise their joined hands to heaven
THE CAPITAL of Marx is their new missal!"
……..
"Hail Mary
Full of Grace,
May Your name be sanctified.
Protect your sheep
From these raptors
Who have already sacrificed them.
…….
"When there are no children to sing the Creed
The water of your holy water fonts is nothing more than a puddle."
Serge Lama in "Je vous salue Marie" ("Hail Mary")
Personal translation
Besides assaulting little boys and stealing the riches and the lands of the poor all over the world for centuries, what good have they accomplish?
Being the World bigger Real Estate Owner is not an accomplishment).
Though out its history, the Catholic Church has always sided with the very wealthy (the Sacred Alliance of the Temporal and the Spiritual) no matter who they were (Marxists, Fascists, Communists, Socialists, Capitalists, etc....) The Catholic Church do not discriminate: they slept with everybody.
Sluts ! Sluts! Sluts!
Someone, give me an Amen.!!!
Anyone ? Anyone ? Anyone ?
Amen!
Amen
A-women
What's the problem? Is the catholic church afraid that women will stop having little boys for their preists and bishops to molest?
So a lot of people think we shouldn't pay for contraception because their church doesn't approve of it. How about contraception for post-menopausal women (otherwise known as "hormone therapy")? If a person is obese, thereby committing the mortal sin of gluttony, should we have to pay for their diabetes or hypertension medication? Not to mention the fact that they are slowly committing suicide, another big, big sin.
Not to mention sunburn and skin cancer remedies. I remember when the Army said you could be court marshaled for getting a sunburn. Damaging Government property!
I was told that people who practice the rhythm method are called "parents."
If anyone is getting their information directly from the LORD THY GOD would you please ask him a question for me?
What was he thinking when he created the Giraffe.
Just wondering.
I have questions about the avocado and the platypus...
See?? See what all that damm sufferage stuff causes??
These women are nothing but trouble. How's that saying go?? Can't live with them....can't live without them.
If men could have babies, women would be in deep trouble.
I think they need to just go home, put on their hoodie-footie, and snuggle up with their Vermont teddy bears. Let the men do the heavy lifting and make all these complicated decisions for the women,
If men could have babies, they wouldn't. They couldn't stand the pain of childbirth; not even speaking about the nine months.
As far as the Catholic is concerned: Why use birth control pills, alter boys can't get pregnant!
Isn't Issa the guy who promised to end illegal immigration in 1998 by establishing a National ID card you would need to carry to prove citizenship? Said it would take 2 - 4 years. Looks like he is suffering schedule creep.