Paul campaign disputes Romney's Maine victory

Yesterday, the Maine Republican Party declared Mitt Romney the winner of Maine's caucuses, which were conducted over multiple days. Romney got 39% (2,190 votes) and Ron Paul got 36% (1,996). Rick Santorum finished third and Newt Gingrich fourth. 

Yet in a message to supporters last night, the Ron Paul campaign suggested a chicanery over Maine's decision to declare Mitt Romney the winner before all the votes were counted.

Campaign Manager John Tate called the Washington County GOP decision to postpone the caucus for snow an "excuse." Tate even mocked the decision after the predicted three to four inches of snow resulted in only a "dusting."

"This is MAINE we're talking about. The GIRL SCOUTS had an event today in Washington County that wasn't cancelled."

The campaign claims the votes in Washington County, a Paul stronghold, would have been enough to give Paul his first win.

As the AP reported: 

Caucuses in Washington County that had been scheduled for Saturday were postponed until Feb. 18 because of a major snowstorm that blanketed the region. Earlier, party Executive Director Michael Quatrano said county officials had been told the results of that caucus would not count toward the total.

But Washington County GOP Chairman Chris Gardner objected, saying he had known his county's tally wouldn't be included in Saturday's announcement but didn't realize it wouldn't be counted at all. He said he had called state party leaders and "expressed my complete and utter dismay."

Gardner, a Romney supporter, said the snowstorm had left him no choice but to postpone the caucuses.

"Refusal to reconsider under those circumstances would be extremely disheartening," he told The Associated Press. "I trust that the party will make the right decision here."

Calling the decision an "outrage," the Paul campaign declared they will "stay in it to the very end" and that "Paul will win the most delegates out of Maine."

Maine Republicans will meet on Saturday, May 5 and Sunday, May 6 to elect delegates to the national convention.

In the 2008 GOP caucuses, Romney captured 51% of the vote in Maine while Paul received 18%.

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The person who canceled the caucus is a Romney supporter and there is nothing crooked going on??? The votes should count.

  • 18 votes
#1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:58 PM EST

I'm sure everyone read this on the other article where I posted it before bot for those who didn't get it it fits even better here.

YES Dr Paul should contest the results!

And no we haven't forgot about Nevada....

Read this,

Google accidentally releases final Maine Caucus results a day early

Check this one out,

Maine VOTE FRAUD--Results before they post them!

Need more,

Nevada vote fraud official

Newsmax accidentally prints Romney Nevada win article 2 days early

Well lets see, we have creditable fraud issues in Iowa, South Carolina, Florida, Nevada and now Maine.

Reported issues in New Hampshire, Colorado, Missouri and Minnesota but no actual reports yet.

Most of the issues center around accurate reporting of vote totals between Rick Santorum and Ron Paul, with some trash concerning Newt Gingrich votes thrown in for good measure. All reports involve the media reporting and the Republican party officials on the state level.

At this point I would say that the Republican Nomination race is a fraud, an obvious fraud and is unrecoverable as far as any consideration of fair and open nominating process. The only candidate untouched by this,

Willard Mitt Romney.

I wonder what he and the national party are promising the individual states to get them to prostitute themselves like this.

Kinda speaks for itself...

  • 15 votes
#1.1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:15 PM EST

No wonder the GOP/TP worry about voter fraud......its because they practice it so much. Indiana where they had a conviction, then Iowa, Nevada, and now Maine!!! By hook or by crook they will get the votes

  • 16 votes
#1.2 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:36 PM EST

called the Washington County GOP decision to postpone the caucus for snow an "excuse."

Talk about a snow job. Have the republicans managed one event without fraud. Snow jobs and fraud, this is what we can expect from a republican president. Tickle down economics, Iran/Afghanistan wars, two of the biggest snow jobs in history. Oh yes, and lest we forget that other snow job from the promises of the 2010 elections - JOBS, JOBS, JOBS. That never materialized either - just melted away like a freshly fallen snow flake.

Now should we talk about the giant spoon the republican party needs to support the new G.A.G. platform (guns/abortions/gays). Interesting how they have changed the platform in just one week.

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:42 PM EST

Ron Paul will end thier endless gravy train, that we are paying for. They will do anything to avoid that.

Snow jobs aren't restriced to Republicans. Have you seen the article that completely debunks the unemployment numbers the govt is releasing?

Obama is lying too. And what the democrats did to Hilary in 2008 was shameful.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/02/09/dont-be-fooled-the-obama-unemployment-rate-is-11/

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate from EITHER party who isn't lying right to your face.

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:24 PM EST

Yep, sounds like Ron Paul has good reason to contest.

But for me, the more significant aspect of this is that a state caucus only came up with 6,000 votes?

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST

Mitt Romney just needs to give it up and drop out already;)

  • 11 votes
#1.6 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:14 PM EST

It is good fodder for comedians. Four inches of snow forecast, in Maine, so they cancel a presidential caucus site. Meanwhile, nearby, the Girl Scouts went on selling cookies. Looks like those Girl Scouts have more rugged individualism and sense of purpose, braving the harsh elements like that, than do Maine Republicans, lol.

  • 9 votes
#1.7 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:28 PM EST

Lols, Paul M, they probably "misplaced" another 4k votes, all for Ron Paul.

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:28 PM EST

Okay. That still only brings them to 10,000 votes.

The voter fraud is expected, at least by me. This party establishment wants its way, and doesn't seem like it will stop at much to get it.

But Maine has at least a million people, right? And probably half of those are registered voters, just based on usual models. That's half a million. Let's say a quarter of that are registered Republicans, again per usual models. That's 125,000. Now let's fudge it downward to give this particular caucus toward benefit of debt. Let's say there are 100,000 Republican voters in Maine.

Less than one out of ten shows up for this caucus? And let's face it, they've had since sometime in January to get their votes in, from what I've read. it's not like they had to come out on caucus night, when there probably was a good re-run on, or something like that.

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:36 PM EST

Well Paul its the old and stubborn crowd that votes for Romney and they don't go out in bad weather. Should have just had the cauces site in the nursing home; problem solved.

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:36 PM EST

Apparently they don't go out at all, except to buy Girl Scout cookies.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST

If its OK to have a special caucus for Jews sponsored by Gingrich's billionaire Jewish backer in Nevada then its OK to caucus at Washington county's biggest nursing home for Romney's Fox watching fan club during Maine's "white-out".

Its a kind of cynically sarcastic kind of evening. Its snowing 1"-3" here tonight; I'm terrified.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:53 PM EST

Hey, we get 1-3" here in Washington, I don't go out, unless I really have to.

It's not because snow scares me, (born in CT raised in VT) it's all the other crazies out there with their 4-wheel drives that think they can just drive through anything that scare the hell outta me.

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:34 PM EST

I'm just saying ~.005% of Maine apparently voted in this thing in what must have been better weather yet the residents motivated to vote in this county are being ignored. I see the money and coverage go the others' way but the one advantage Paul had was taken away by a Romney supporter; the steadfast, more motivated voter.

  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:32 AM EST

No, Paul is right. See, here's the thing... Us Ron Paul supporters have a plan.

Based entirely on ENTHUSIASM!

Sounds crazy, right?

But don't be so quick to dismiss it.

See, the other candidates supporters aren't really that enthusiastic about them. So they go, they vote, they have a night out, then they go to dinner or a show or whatever.

BUT NOT US!!!

We stay, we sit through hours of boring political nonsense and procedure.....

AND THEN WE ELECT PRO RON PAUL DELEGATES WITH AS LITTLE AS 30 VOTES EACH!!!!!

See, it doesn't really take much to elect electoral college delegates (Sssshhhhhh, don't tell!)

When we go to the convention, we are obligated to vote for the candidate who won our state, BUT ONLY FOR THE FIRST VOTE! Some states are different, for instance, in SC they are obligated the first three votes until they are free. Notice Ron Paul didn't spend much time in SC?

We will most likely NOT get a clear vote the first time.

Which means brokered convention.

WHICH MEANS WE CAN ALL VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!

SURPRISE!!!

Lols at Obamney and Goldman Sachs.

Good luck getting people behind any more of the same.

If following The Constitution is Crazy,

The Me and a LOT of other people are Crazy Too!

And we're about to make a move against the destruction of our Liberties.

Make no mistake, people, this is a straight up fight.

The Constitution and The People vs The Government and NDAA/Patriot Act

The stakes are high.

THINK!

Then Vote.

  • 4 votes
#1.15 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:56 AM EST

I also want to say something to whos the man about the jewish caucus he mentioned in Maine, which was hosted by Newt. They actually had Newt's security try to beat up a Ron Paul Campaign worker to keep him out so he could not watch the vote tabulation.

He eventually DID get in when a CNN camera crew started to film.

With him there to oversee the vote,

Ron Paul got 66% of it.

From the jewish caucus.

Voting for a man who wants to end ALL foreign aid.

Including Israels.

Jewish people are very sensitive about such issues. They are also very educated about the middle east, and concerned about our policy there.

He still took 66%.

I have to wonder what would have happened if we had a camera crew at every tabulation of votes. Hey, it's Maine, it wouldn't take much.

Historically Ron Paul has mixed results with jewish voters. They are very concerned about being cut adrift into a sea of hate, but they are also very adept at maneuvering to their own advantage, to surviving. For him to take 66% of them ANYWHERE is very telling.

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:07 AM EST

Paul M: they only REPORTED 6,000 votes, who knows how many were actually cast. See, that's the fun part. This is the REPUBLICAN party CAUCUS, its not a real vote, where you have election commissioners and independent people actually counting votes.

The party has decided that W. Mitt Romney will be the nominee and guess what, he'll be the nominee. You have to have him lose a few contests so that the GOP "race" stays in the news all the way to the convention.

Expect to see Romney get "almost" enough delegates to be the nominee before the convention (maybe 100 short) and then one of the others will throw their support behind him and that will push him over the top. Unlike the 2008 Dem. race, this is not a situation where you have two very strong candidates duking it out to the end with two really dedicated bases of support behind them.

Instead, you have maybe 5% of the GOP base strongly supporting Romney, 5% strongly supporting Santorum, 5% strongly supporting Gingrich and 15% strongly supporting Paul. The issue is, the next 20-40% will go to whoever the eventual candidate is, the support will be there, but it won't be strong.

    #1.17 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:12 AM EST

    I'm sure that if 20-40% of people want Ron Paul, that he would have won SOMETHING by now. But as he's unable to win anything, he probably doesn't have much support. And because he's out of money, chances are he isn't electable. Keep in mind that just because you want something, doesn't mean everyone else does or should like them.

      #1.18 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:25 PM EST

      16 tons -

      Have you seen the weatlth disparity here lately?

      • 1 vote
      #1.19 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:55 AM EST

      what did the DEMS do to Hillary?

      • 1 vote
      #1.20 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:40 AM EST

      Buck Naked, not enough Dems voted for Hillary, so Hillary didn't get the Democratic Nomination. According to Alil that's "shameful". (Scheesh!)

      TO: Alil Common Sense who wrote:

      "Ron Paul will end thier endless gravy train, that we are paying for...Have you seen the article that completely debunks the unemployment numbers the govt is releasing?

      Obama is lying too. And what the democrats did to Hilary in 2008 was shameful."

      We're paying for EVERYTHING, including that Republican LIE Called the War in Iraq because Republicans REFUSE to let the rich folks pay for it, so Republicans decided to force this debt on Working Americans and give wealthy Americans a free pass THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR!

      I don't mind so much helping those who need it as I mind suffering to give more money to people who DON'T need it. Why am I paying through the nose to make rich people richer?

      Dont' just call the POTUS a liar, tell us, what exactly do you think he's "lying" about? What about unemployment numbers? As Repubs would say, unemployment numbers would go down even if the POTUS did nothing, so numbers are going down, does that upset you?

      Obama / Biden 2012

      • 1 vote
      #1.21 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:19 PM EST
      Reply

      figures; anything to get us an Obama/Romney epic match-up of 2 mega cronies.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#2 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:59 PM EST

      Sounds like Paul is right to contest this. Not everyone's vote has been counted.

      • 19 votes
      Reply#3 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:13 PM EST

      Can't these GNOP stooges get anything right?

      First IA & now Maine!

      And we're supposed to trust them in the general election? *wink wink*

      Good Grief!

      • 14 votes
      #3.1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:18 PM EST

      So Athens is burning away. And the bat sh#%t crazy moon bats continue to support a socialist thug that is dead set on bringing the same misery over there right to core of America.

      God help this great nation if Barack Obama is elected to a second term!

      Wake Up America Evil lurks amongst us.

      Romney/Rubio 2012

      • 7 votes
      #3.2 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:43 PM EST

      I'm starting to understand why the Republicans are so concerned about voter fraud---they do it themselves so much they figure everyone else does, too.

      How about those turnout numbers--a day after Romney was there for a rally. What if he hadn't gone to Maine?

      • 11 votes
      #3.3 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:46 PM EST

      How about those turnout numbers--

      SF,

      You mean the WHOPPING 6K who caucused?

      Talk about some enthusiasm... lol

      I'm starting to understand why the Republicans are so concerned about voter fraud

      Republican's - if you can't beat em - cheat em!

      • 13 votes
      #3.4 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:50 PM EST

      How about Obama putting out falsified unemployment numbewrs to get reelected.

      Isn't that just as bad?

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/02/09/dont-be-fooled-the-obama-unemployment-rate-is-11/

      Obama lies, Romney lies.

      Obama flip flops, Romney flip flops

      Obama's number campaign donor, Goldman Sachs.

      Romney's number one campaign donor, Goldman Sachs.

      Ron Paul DOESN'T LIE.

      Ron Paul DOESN'T FLIP FLOP.

      Ron Paul CANNOT BE BOUGHT OR SOLD.

      Get the hope and change you thought you were getting last time.

      Vote Ron Paul

      Fox news smears him, MSN smears him. That should tell you a lot right there.

      • 10 votes
      #3.5 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:29 PM EST

      Apparently Feisty feels that 6K was a poor showing for the GOP caucus in Maine.

      In 2008 Obama received the majority for the dems w/just under 2100 followed by Clinton w/just over 1300. Being just about half the total for the dems in 2008 that the GOP received this year.

      http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/ME.html

      • 5 votes
      #3.6 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:47 PM EST

      Rob in ma- Amen!

        #3.7 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:27 PM EST
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        I read that Washington County ios going to hold it's caucus Feb. 14.And Paul was heavily favored......Hold that "Romney Wins" headkine till everybody votes....

        • 11 votes
        Reply#4 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:15 PM EST

        robo, they already effed with him... some people will have heard that Romney won already, and you know how the sheeple like to "win"

        I fear the damage is done, and the counting will still be sucky. Crap, they already are making excuses to not count the votes from Washington County.

        Don't worry man, by my conservative estimate, we got in 70% Ron Paul supporters from Maine as Delegates to The Electoral College. Probably more. If we can unbind them at the convention we can restore The Constitution.

        See my post at 1.15 above if you're curious.

        • 2 votes
        #4.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:18 AM EST
        Reply

        Yet one more tool to help educate the unconverted and further prove support for Dr. Paul among Independents:

        election4uspresident2012.weebly.com

        Please use it. Thanks!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:16 PM EST

        Seamus,

        Great Article! Some of the democrats around here won't like it because it reveals some of their wishful thinking on their god Obama, Just like Moyers videos, it exposes the truth and many will not like that.

        • 4 votes
        #5.1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:02 PM EST

        What are you talking about Eg?

        This entire Repub-Tea primary has been a comedy of errors.

        It has already been all set up and decided.

        party Executive Director Michael Quatrano said county officials had been told the results of that caucus would not count toward the total.

        "...the masters make the rules,

        for the wise men AND the fools..."

        The truly amazing part is your denial of reality, even to the point of believing what they attempt to sell about our President and his record.

        If they will cheat in their own election, it should be obvious to you that they will cheat at anything just to get their way....

        disgusting IMO

        • 2 votes
        #5.2 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:36 PM EST

        Nasayu,

        The truly amazing part is your denial of reality, even to the point of believing what they attempt to sell about our President and his record.

        I'm not denying reality, I'm trying to point it out to everyone that will listen. I believe what I chose to believe, just like you, based upon what knowledge I have of the situation and my own experiences in life.

        The president's record is what he's made of it, I see it for what it is, not what someone wants to sell me it is. I keep my own counsel and research my own facts and own my own opinions, mainly because I have a brain and was educated enough to know how to use it.

        Which means I am a dangerous voter for either side cause I know from whence I vote, I will NO LONGER BE A SHEEPLE TO ANY PARTY! and that is what I advise everyone, GO OUT AND LEARN FOR YOURSELF!

        The truth is out there, but only if you want to see...

        I agree it is disgusting.....ON BOTH SIDES!

        • 3 votes
        #5.3 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:44 PM EST

        I keep my own counsel and research my own facts and own my own opinions, mainly because I have a brain and was educated enough to know how to use it.

        Which means I am a dangerous voter for either side cause I know from whence I vote,

        GOOD!!

        I applaud you!

        There are many of us who are not as stupid as "they" would like us to be....

        Lets keep it up and add to the numbers.

          #5.4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:31 AM EST

          One would think that Ron Paul would have the courage of his convictions and run as a Libertarian , instead of associating himself with the Unamerican and crooked Republican party. Oh well, so much for principle.

            #5.5 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:40 AM EST

            charles w pendexter - or associate himself with the UnAmerican and crooked Democratic party. The Reps are less so and foundationally closer to what is best for America.

              #5.6 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:03 PM EST

              Alim--at least you agree with me about no principles.

                #5.7 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:56 PM EST
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                The iowa straw poll was first awarded to Romney, but after a full recount it went to Santorum.

                Today on CNN Santorum stated that he had heard that Romney paid his folks to go to caucus and vote in the non binding straw poll.

                Paul supporters on the other hand stay for the whole meeting and make sure they are elected delegates to the next convention in the state.

                Romney really needed some kind of positive spin this week. At least he got the CPAC straw poll. Another beauty contest.

                • 6 votes
                Reply#6 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:17 PM EST

                Yeah, Romney won at CPAC, if Dr Paul had been there it would have been three in a row...

                • 4 votes
                #6.1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:16 PM EST
                Reply

                Thank you Maine Republik Party for screwing up your caucus bad enough for people to forget the Republik Party caucus fiasco in Nevada.

                • 5 votes
                Reply#7 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:50 PM EST

                Sorry, we haven't forgotten Nevada...

                • 4 votes
                #7.1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:17 PM EST
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                The media keeps saying Romney won the Maine caucus, but it's not exactly true.

                p>

                56 votes for Romney in Kennebunkport. Well, that's understandable, that's the Bushes' home. But, the college towns, Orono, Biddeford and Lewiston went to Ron Paul. The rural towns also went to Paul.

                Most of Romney's win came from the wealthiest areas - Cape Elizabeth and Falmouth (yes, we have millionaires in Maine.)

                http://media.kjonline.com/documents/me_gop_caucus_results.pdf

                • 7 votes
                Reply#8 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:12 PM EST

                Problem with it is, not all of Maine's precincts have caucused or reported, not just Washington County, just because they postponed their caucus they are now eliminated? What about the others that were scheduled later? Are they eliminated also?

                Wow the republican party is losing all credibility, glad I left them a few years back....

                We need a new party!

                • 6 votes
                #8.1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:25 PM EST

                Why does the "media" constantly allow itself to be manipulated to then announce a definitive result when the truth, the reality, is still in dispute? What has happened to journalism? The story should be about how the "party" wishes to rig the results, and lock in its effect, rather than wait for the votes to be counted. it's IOWA all over again. Get it right or get out of the business. We the people, deserve better.

                • 7 votes
                #8.2 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:35 PM EST

                Amy you are the media what is going on in Maine?

                • 2 votes
                #8.3 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:51 PM EST

                "(yes, we have millionaires in Maine.)"

                And Maine has at least one radical leftist Obama poodle...

                • 2 votes
                #8.4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM EST

                Bob in Va - I'm thinking your guy has a decent shot at the top of the ticket. If the GOP goes all brokered and what not this summer, I don't see it pointing toward Jeb or Christie in the end.

                  #8.5 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST

                  And Maine has at least one radical leftist Obama poodle...

                  Me and thousands more just like me...must make you shiver, eh, Bob?

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.6 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM EST
                  Reply

                  Hmm, seems the Republican/TP Inc. party isn't above even screwing their own, if the outcome isn't what they wanted.

                  These people are pathological, and can't be trusted. Anyone voting Republican/TP Inc. that isn't part of the 1% is simply voting against their own best interests.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#9 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:08 PM EST

                  I don't believe it will matter which of the Republican "side show" is the nominee by the time November rolls around they will have "turned off" the majority of American voters with their back stabbing, rigid views and not addressinging the issues that Obama will win.

                  We do NOT want another four years of Obama, but these candidates are just giving him the election.

                  I went so far as to check out Johnson, even though I have a problem with the Libertarians terminating all social programs and leaving all services to non-profits to provide. The non-profits are somehow going to be able to pick up the slack from Medicare, Social Security Disability, Food Stamps, Welfare and who know what else?

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#10 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:49 PM EST

                  Has there been a state caucus yet this year that wasn't a huge mess? It seems like this is less an issue of corrupt individuals and more a problem with the process as a whole. At least it takes the heat off of Iowa so that they can demand to pretend to be relevant again in 4 years.

                  Is the really the best America can do? Aren't we supposed to be the ideal of the modern representative democracy?

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#11 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:59 PM EST

                  No there hasn't, there have even been problems with the voting primaries, nothing is "Right" they are really screwing the pooch and it seems like they do not care if anyone knows they are..

                  • 1 vote
                  #11.1 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:18 PM EST
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                  So now the establishment is not only dealing with a candidate most of their party doesn't want, but also a candidate who many suspect benefitted from voter fraud along the way. Hmmm. Yeah. He'd make a strong nominee.

                  To the tune of Mickey Mouse Club:

                  B-R-O-K-E-R, don't die with Romney

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#12 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST

                  Paul M,

                  have you noticed yet how the peeps that support Romney want the Grinch and Santy to drop out as quickly as possible? The longer they stay in the better it gets for Dr Paul, the more it dilutes Mitts support and their attacks destroy Mitts credibility.

                  It is possible to win the nomination without winning a single caucus or primary, difficult, but is possible. Unlike the quote "historic" dual victory that wasn't for mitts at the start, we might just be watching history unfold in the manner the founding fathers intended it to.

                  The election system they set up was designed for the citizens to take back the power if other interests gained control, and, I think we are watching it unfold right before our eyes just the way they envisioned over 200 years ago.

                  Unfortunately, the founding fathers also understood, if the citizens cannot take it back in the manner of the voting system, they left us other ways to do it. Just understand the citizens will not go away and we will not be stopped. We are trying to do it with ballots, but we always have the other option.

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:02 AM EST

                  It's possible to win the nomination without competing in a single primary or caucus. Unlikely, but possible. This summer may see one such event.

                  But a brokered convention giving the nod to Ron Paul? Yeah, well... I think the Republican Party would be just as likely to nominate Obama. Sorry, I know the Ron Paul followers have enthusiasm, and the campaign is organized better than I expected. Kudos there. But he's not a Republican, running to be the flag bearer of the Republican Party.

                  Granted, there's some overlap between Libertarian and Republican positions. Actually more on the rhetoric than the actual position. Both advocate small government and fiscal responsibility (but the Libertarians really mean it). Beyond that, there just isn't much overlap. Foreign policy, national security, monetary policy, social policy... Just not enough overlap for the Republicans to decide, "Yeah, you know what? Let's go with the Libertarian this time around."

                  I still believe the only reason Ron Paul is doing this well is because the candidates opting to run for this nomination represent the weakest field ever for a major party. None of them are a complete package, with vision, ability to connect and trustworthiness. None of them are even close. Say what you want about George Bush and Bill Clinton, but at least when they spoke, you got a sense they really believed the stuff they were saying (a few notable lies here and there aside). Who's that guy with the Republicans (not counting Paul as a Republican)? Hands down, it's Santorum - by a mile over the other Republicans. But trust is only part of the package, and he comes up pretty close to empty with everything else.

                  Then there's Ron Paul. Absolutely, he has the trust thing nailed. You know he's saying what he thinks, especially when it is so far outside his adopted party's viewpoint. But there you have it. He is the best candidate among them, with trust, vision and some limited ability to connect. The best candidate... for the Libertarian nomination.

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:29 AM EST

                  You know, when you think about it objectively - as in when you strip out all the over-the-top stuff that gets said on these message boards - there actually is more overlap between Obama and the Republican Party than there is between Ron Paul and the Republican Party.

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:33 AM EST

                  Paul M,

                  There are a lot of people who have been saying this exact thing for months....

                  Historically, there is a lot of overlap from both parties with libertarianism, this is why both sides hate it so much. If people understood that libertarians are social liberals and fiscal conservatives, there would be a lot more libertarians in government. It would be a good thing.

                  • 4 votes
                  #12.4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST

                  Paul M: by what right do you, or anyone else for that matter, get to decide who is or is not a Republican. The party is made by the people in it. By being a strong candidate in the Republican Party, Dr. Paul is able to change the direction of the party from being only able to nominate evengelical christians to being able to nominate social moderates who are constitutional conservatives.

                  The Tea Party conservatives and other evangelicals don't like Dr. Paul because he doesn't care about their social agenda. He would rather have a financially strong country where social issues are decided on a local level. The thing is, he has a very strong, very loyal base which rivals that of the TeaVangelicals and they don't like that. His base of support may just be able to knock them off.

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                  #12.5 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM EST
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                  Ron Paul is starting to look real good.

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                  Reply#13 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:30 AM EST

                  thetotas,

                  It is said, the tree of liberty, once it takes root, grows VERY quickly, I like Dr Paul's method of planting seeds.

                  How have you been? haven't seen you around much...

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                  #13.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:58 AM EST

                  STARTING to look good? How long have you been asleep friend? Welcome to the revolution!

                    #13.2 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:59 PM EST
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                    The GOP/RNC Clowns are still at it. Again! They all for voter suppression, and are laughing like drunk clowns to destroy the Voters Rights Act Of 1965. Now they can not even get their "Clown Causus" in Maine correct. The "Romulian" must be selling too much Romulian Ale at their new GOP/TeaBegger Big Top in Maine. The "Culltural Coruption" of the "Radical Right Wing Religious" TeaBeggers is already "Socially Sadistic," extremely "Intolerant,"and, "Economically Evil." When Mr. Paul talks about liberty and freedom. The real question here should be. For WHO?? For those that he feels "Belong." This fact alone does NOT make Mr. Paul Presidential. That is fact! The "Romulian" still has too many questions about his real views on the economy too cultural issues.

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                    Reply#15 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:19 AM EST

                    Florida 2000.

                    President-Elect Gore did win Florida. The problem was the Gore votes were not counted and the Supreme Court appointed Mr. Bush.

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                    Reply#16 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:58 AM EST

                    i was at and voted for Ron Paul in one of the Maine caucus.after spending 8 hours there and speaking with 80% of the people that were there only about 2 out of 20 people said they supported and would vote for Romney.i absolutly think something is going on with the election results..i read that over 900 of the people who voted for Romney in Iowa were dead..anyone hear anymore about that?

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                    Reply#17 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:37 AM EST

                    Never been to a caucus, but what the heck do 20 people talk about for eight hours?

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                    #17.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:11 AM EST

                    Well, with more than 3 Ron Paul supporters in a room, I have no doubt they could talk for 8 hours, detailing how the establishment is going to falsify the vote and not allow Paul to win.

                      #17.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:56 PM EST

                      What are Ron Paul supporters doing in a corrupt and Unamerican Caucus?

                        #17.3 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST

                        Unfortunately it's the only way to play Charles

                          #17.4 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:03 PM EST
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                          Comment author avatarJeff Cosgrovevia Facebook

                          Charlie Webster, the GOP Chairman in Maine, has already been fending of fraud allegations dating back several years. There have already been charges by one caucus participant that a precinct rendered all of its ballots null and void because they did not receive back as many delegate selection ballots as they did straw polls ballots. (a total of 18 ballots) The precinct leader ruled that this was against the rules and all ballots were tossed out. Ron Paul had held the majority in that precinct.

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                          Reply#18 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:56 AM EST

                          Never heard of a major snowstorm hitting just one county. Hmmm.

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                          Reply#19 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:25 AM EST

                          Landslide Mitter slams The Honorable Ron Paul to the mat with a margin of 194 caucus votes. But wait! There are 200 votes in Washington County, where Mr. Paul is a heavy favorite, not included in the total.

                          Because Mr. Paul could have won based on the arithmetic, the best Mitter should be able to claim is a tie, particularly given the blush of favoritism exhibited by the Chief Republican in charge.

                          These clown can't even run a state caucus (i.e. Iowa, Nevada, Maine) but they want to run The United States of America.

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                          Reply#20 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST

                          In my humble opinion!

                          Ron Paul has the Republican Party by the balls, If Ron Paul decides to run as an independent, Barack Obama will win.

                          What are the Republicans going to do with Ron Paul?????????

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                          Reply#21 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:35 PM EST

                          bobo---Speaking of no balls---Ron Paul will not run as an independent-he wants a voice at the Republican convention.

                            #21.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:06 AM EST
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                            My response to people thinking Mitt's victory is fraud is:

                            Cry me a river, Build a bridge, and get over it already!

                              Reply#22 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:10 PM EST

                              Political tricksters...

                              The republican party have long been known for their tricky candidates and politics. Remember Richard Nixion and Spiro Agnew?? How about Florida..hummm!!! No wonder they are so concern about voter fraud.

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                              Reply#23 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:08 PM EST

                              Only 140 Republicans vote in this tiny County ... even if Ron Paul got all, he would LOSE ... I am sick of Ron Paul supporters crying foul ... He is NOT going to win and in the General Election he would get 5-10% of the vote at most ... he is a nice guy, but he isnt fit to be commander and chief ... Grandpa Walton maybe, The guy is living in 1965 ... nice but its 2012, I for one dont want 1965 medicine, technology, etc. This is another Ron Paul whine.

                                Reply#24 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:51 PM EST

                                The Pittsburgh Post Gazette reported that Santorum took the most cash from corporate lobbyists of any other politician in Washington, adding that Santorum "has a black belt in hypocrisy"Watch the video The Santorum Connection.

                                  Reply#25 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM EST

                                  Probably the most unjust is Santorum’s involment with Jack Abramoff in protecting the Tan family and their staggering array of human rights abuses on the Commwealth of Morthern Marianas Islands. The Tan family ran sweatshops on the islands and Santorum provided legislative cover for the truly rancid sweatshops, their human rights violations and almost fathomless moral quagmire of forced prostitution and abortions.

                                    Reply#26 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM EST
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