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Subscribe to RSSWASHINGTON -- Presumed GOP front-runner Mitt Romney has won a straw poll of Republican voters at the American Conservative Union's annual CPAC conference in Washington.
Romney received 38 percent of Saturday's vote on the final day of the Conservative Political Action Conference, followed by Rick Santorum, who garnered 31 percent.
The win is likely to soothe concerns that Romney cannot shore up backing from conservatives wary of his past change of position on abortion and his onetime support for an individual health care mandate.
Romney told a packed audience here during remarks Friday that he is "severely conservative," while Santorum urged attendees not to choose a GOP nominee who cannot excite the conservative base.
"We always talk about how we are going to get the moderates," Santorum said in a clear reference to Romney. "Why would an undecided voter, vote for a candidate of a party that the party's not excited about?"
One-time Romney "alternative" hopeful Newt Gingrich came in third place with 15 percent of the straw poll vote. Rep. Ron Paul won just 12 percent support.
Some 3,408 people voted in the straw poll, the second-highest number to participate in the poll.
Paul has won the poll for the last two years, but he did not participate in this year's conference.
The Texas congressman's past victories prompted organizers to change the format for the poll, doing away with paper ballots and offering online voting for participants.
The American Conservative Union, which runs CPAC, also commissioned a national poll of 600 self-identified conservatives reached by telephone this Tuesday and Wednesday.
That survey showed Romney clocking in in first place with 27 percent, followed closely by Santorum at 25 percent. Third-place finisher Gingrich garnered 20 percent support in the national poll.
Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida was the top choice for vice president among straw poll participants, while he and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a Romney backer, tied at 15 percent among the national poll respondents.
"This is the first time ever in 25 years that we've ever done a corollary survey that asks the same exact questions," ACU pollster Tony Fabrizio told reporters during a press conference before the release of the results.
The margin of error for the national poll was plus-minus 4 percent.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio was the top choice for vice president among straw poll participants, while he and New Jersey governor and Romney backer Chris Christie tied at 15 percent among the national poll respondents.
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WOW!
Apparently, standing at the podium in front of the inmates of the asylum while repeating the word 'conservative' 28 x's is enough to buy Willard some much needed ♥! lol
I wonder if he got bonus points for; 'severely'?
Does this straw poll carry more weight than the one in IA?
Check out Willard Mitt Romney's plans to cut social security and medicare if he is elected:
Google: Romney vows cuts to social security and medicare
They don't wear their white hoods at CPAC events anymore, so it's harder to recognize them for what they really are.
Until they open their mouths.
Is Romney cutting $500 billion from Medicare with Obamacare?
Is Romney de-funding Social Security with the payroll tax cuts?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Does this straw poll carry more weight than the one in IA?
Only when you think in terms of the weight of all the dollars measured Willard spent!!!!
Did you hear about the KOCH bros busing young college students into CPAC and offering them scholarships?
Totally rigged of course . . There will be riots and protests and Obama will become the most hated two timing president.
CPAC is now officially a joke and they have tarnished their own name. I'm a conservative and I know Mit Romney is a liberal who should be a Democrat instead of Republican.
This is just another case of big money, blue-blood Republican elitist establishment trying to kick out the new underdog Tea Party. Romney is probably more about political-kick backs and behind-the-curtain business connections rather than conservative values that will actually fix this country!
What would a CPAC convention be without a workshop or two from Peter Briemlow a celebrated white supremacist?
No "Klan Bake" would be compete without them...
Okay, after Sister-Psychos' juicing-up of the neo-wacko base .... CPAC has now been officially declared over and with these last words from the wierd-looking dude-head of the American Conservative Union ...
*Go home and fight*
Serious.
LOL.
Feisty is NOT She is a liberal.
In the dark recesses of their minds, they KNOW Sanatarium is a FREAK, and as much as they LOVE a good FREAK SHOW, they know "independents" Do NOT, so they will hold their noses and vote Romney....
Talk about hypocrites!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
I think the term "the inmates are running the asylum applies here. What that really means is the the Rank and File have had it with the establishment and they should. Year after year, they listen to these senior people tell them to vote for this person or that person, and watch the "approved" candidate lose or squander opportunities.
If the inmates are taking over, it looks like the pick is Santorum, if it is, they better make him clinch before convention, or the establishment will decide for them and they will be even more unhappy.
bob,
Wasn’t that $500b cut achieved by reducing waste, fraud and abuse?
If he is defunding SS with the payroll tax cut then why are the Republicans insisting that the cut be paid for?
So help me understand here, the majority of folks at the CPAC believe Romney is more conservative then Gingrich or Santorum? Really? Or am I sensing desperation?
Oh wait, that's right, Romney is "Severely Conservative".
yes, desperation!
Romney will be the Republican choice; they have no other option, Newt, Rick and Paul are far right of what America wants, he will pick Christie as his running mate ,Rubio is to young; if we are not in a major war by election time, Romney will win, if we are in a Nuclear war at election time obama will win, either way the American people get screwed again.
Question is, while Mitt claims to suffer from a severe case of conservatism, does he really have the full blown affliction of the hideous mental disease? Seems to have the ability to lie, yet, He does so in a peculiar way. Gets caught too easily. Does He possess the true felonious nature that exemplifies the core values of "movement conservatism"? Can He exploit the ignorant and foolish sufficiently enough to gain their support and active aid in the self serving enterprises to which all good conservatives aspire? Mitt just cannot seem to allay their skepticism regarding these very important matters.
My bad .... the Fairy Godmother came in waived her wand, huh?
Or do you happen to have a link that details what Obama has actually accomplished?
If Romney got 27%, Santorum got 25%, and Gingrich got 20% who got the 28% difference, that person would be your winner right there. In any event not a very convincing win, it's closer to a 4 way tie than a mandate for a single republican candidate. Republicans do not have any real enthusiasm for any one of their candidates, every one of their candidates requires over 70% of the base to be disapointed and hold their noses in order to vote for them.
Forrest,
According to another site:
Romney = 38, Santorum = 31,
Gingrich = 15 and Paul = 12%.
Well, since most of the above obviously aren't even voting a Republican Primary....wtw is their concern except to name call like a kindergarten playground.
No matter who wins this primary Obama will lose to, because of his terrible record as President. (now waiting for personal insults because my opinion isn't the same)
Well Dennis those numbers bode a little better for Romney, but still indicate he is no slam dunk for his own party much less the general election.
Well, since Obama is not running in the Republican primaries, why do you guys keep mentioning him?
bob,
Medicare Waste, Fraud and Abuse:
This Administration has made a firm commitment to reigning in fraud and wasteful spending, and with the Affordable Care Act, we have more tools than ever to implement important and strategic changes.
Since May 2009, this Administration has expanded Strike Force cities from two to seven locations. In addition to Miami and Los Angeles, Strike Force teams were launched in Houston and Detroit in May 2009 and then Brooklyn, Baton Rouge, and Tampa in December 2009.
http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/2010/06/t20100615a.html
Prez O is smart. He doesn't have to seriously campaign; Just let these RepublicanCrimeCartelThugClowns go public with their unacceptably criminal behavior, and Voila!!!!!
There they are!!!: All TV'd Up! Like Dracula, Frankenstein and The WolfMan; MittTaxPittance Rommel, THEGangrene and, last BUT NOT in the least, The WolfManVomitorium! YESSSSSS!!!!! First off is DRAC: aka MittTaxPittanceRommel, Who will START A WAR WITH Iran, And A very Profitable War for his RepublicanCrimeCartelCorporateMasters AT THAT!! The Count was "nice enough" to expose his taxes!! Hmmm...Let Me See Now...Drac paid 13% on $42,000,000 income EEEZZZZ MONEY: About 5million AND!!! WE American Taxpayer Victims PAID The Count's REMAINING $7,800,000 Tax Liability!!!! Thanks for SUCKING US Dry Drac!!! AND Aren't We "LittlePeople" Thrilled that The Count is nice enough to Let US have the Honor of Paying His Taxes!! He WILL ALLOW Even, the Poor, Whom HE HAS STATED He "DOES NOT CARE ABOUT" To coughUp his Tax Liability!; 'Long as they got A BloodyJob with deductions Drac can get his FANGS into their BloodMoney as small as it might be!
Then There is Frankenstein, err...THEGangrene who, with his department store mannequin "Other Half", will turn to Destructive Rage at the drop of a wrong word or moment!!! EGADZ, This SelfEntitled Creature of Pleasure will Start A War for his RepublicanCorporateMasters AnyWhere, AnyHow, AnyWay, EVEN On The Moon!, as long as there is profit and Franky gets a stipend from it!!! ANYTHING TheGangrene Touches will Putrify and Rot like what is left of OUR AmericanBodyPolitic!!! Watch Franky TRY to Come alive with "lightening" speed at the RepublicanNationalCrimeCartelConvention!!!
Now Comes The WolfMan Vomitorium... What Can be said!! Such a Goot'Lookin'Boy! Ooh Facime! What A Face!! how could he do Anything Unsavory!!! BUT When The CORPORATE SYMBOLS rise in his eyes TheVomitorium begins his hungry and Very Hairy Growling for American Taxpayer's Blood!!!!
Yes!! THERE is your victim Wolfy!! Go and Savage It WolfMan with BloodLust Fangs and All! Our American UniversalHealthCare System!! All of OUR Allys have it, EVEN the TowelHeads Have A NationalHealthCareSystem!, This Political Beast Savaged and ALSO Struck down OUR Bill for AnAmericanNationalHealthCareSystem!!! Then, when The Killing Is Over, Out Steps The 'A nica'Boy Vomitorium; Ooohh!! How CleanCut!! Yes And so are His savage sever wounds on OUR AmericanHealthCareBill!!!!Brother And Sister American Putting these guys In Power is Having Dracula Guard our BloodBanks!!! You Saw What the Count Did......
I see the collapse cowards who patrol for the trolls night shift have shown up...
Want to compare that record to the last turd of a President the GOP squeezed out? You live in a world devoid of reality. That isn't an insult rather the truth.
Dennis,
Yea, yea, yea .... Obama has made a "firm commitment" ... "has focused like laser" ... "has not rested" .... blah blah blah
So Obama has spent a lot more money, new offices, hired a bunch of new federal employees at what $117,000 a year? Employees that are pretty much there till they die of natural causes (300 out of over 2.1 million federal employees lost their job last year.)
.... what is the net benefit .... how much of that 1/2 trillion have they recovered after all the new expenses .... after 3 YEARS?
THREE YEARS .... surely they have an answer by now right?
Let's hear it!
They don't wear their white hoods at CPAC events anymore, so it's harder to recognize them for what they really are.
Until they open their mouths.
....oops, no need to read futher with a post that starts like this! Again, no substance. Whether they like it or not, the Dems are running against Romney. Good luck with that since Obama has been a totall epic fail.
Dennis = This Administration has made a firm commitment to reigning in fraud and wasteful spending.
Well, hell Dennis, then everything is great!
A firm commitment! Looks like we have nothing to worry about then!
I actually thought you were better than that.
Good point, Betty.
I hate it when they try to deprive people of a good laugh ... an ignorant lib bigot calling others bigots / racists.
As you say .... lmao, huh?
(not much later)
...AND there you have it...personal insults thrown at THE FACTS!! ....pathetic
So, Romney is a solid conservative, a massive rock solid conservative.....
Say What?
Video- Mitt Romney is (or was) Quite Liberal
WCA,
Here are some articles about the increase in arrests and convictions in just 2010 and 2011.
Video - http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6685946n
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/07/2394354/dozens-arrested-in-medicare-mental.html
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20110831/OPINION01/708319995
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/nyregion/14fraud.html
And you are numero uno on their hit list, which means they're worried. Congrats and keep up the good work. We'll vote up even if it's collapsed because you can't stop progress, although they're doing everything within their power to do so.
tonybeerm,
Thanks! I wear it like a badge of honor! lol
Ain't no stoppin us now...
PS: In case I haven't told you before, I enjoy your work around here!
Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
yes we WILL Tony....goodnight from me too, and please enjoy your weekend...lol (these two are unstoppable phuny)
Dennis, can you explain to me how arrests translate into dollars?
Or have you bought into this vague intangible theory kind of like Jobs Saved?
How many people do you have to arrest to save $500 million dollars?
.
Harbinger
You are participating in continuing racism for political gain! The people that taught you that are taking advantage of your lack of actual historical knowledge.
Looks like bob<lotsanumbers>, and wca got punked by the facts . . . again.
Nice job, Dennis.
wca, if you actually watch the video, and read the articles, this one sting operation caught people who stole over $250,000,000.00. But then, that runs contrary to your assertion that these arrests do not translate into dollars. Oops, guess you made yourself look really stupid.
Romney Lies!
Thanks, I enjoy contributing to the cause. I enjoy your work as well.
Thanks jog, will do. I enjoy jousting with you.
Romney Lies! Then he lies about lying because that is what a severely conservative moderately liberal multi millionaire candidates representing the middle class by not worrying about the poor and all the while creating jobs by liquidating companies must do. Ha I'm waiting for Mitt to soon tell us he was born a poor black child to sharecropper parents in old Dixie.
I don't know why this is even being talked about to this extent. This Keystone Kops field of GOP candidates isn't even credible...Romney speaks to CPAC and says exactly what they want to hear, true or not, Newt is busy with his ongoing character assassinations, Santorum is a crazy person is disguise until he opens his mouth, and Ron Paul is only popular within a thin slice of American voters. The fact is, for better or worse, get ready for another four years of Obama...and it's also likely the Democrats will retain the Senate and widen their advantage in it, as well as take back the House. As repeated polls have shown, the American public is sick of the Republicans' obstructionist, elitist policies...
Here Bob - I saved a list that was going around - not that everyone will agree with some things, like Affordable Healthcare Act ---
1.Saved the collapse of the American automotive industry by making GM restructure before bailing them out, and putting incentive money to help the industry
2.Shifted the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan, and putting the emphasis on reducing terrorism where it should have been all along
3.Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world
5.Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation
6.Has made education a national priority by putting emphasis and money behind new ideas like charter schools, but speaking directly to school children in telling them they have to do their part.
7.Won the Nobel Peace Prize
8.$789 billion economic stimulus plan
9.Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
10.Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
11.Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
12.Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.
13.Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
14.Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
15."Cash for clunkers" program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales
16.Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
17.Closed offshore tax safe havens
18.Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
19.Ended media "blackout" on war casualties; reporting full information
20.Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
21.. Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.
22.Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
23.Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
24.Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
25.American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09).
26.Ended previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
27.Ended previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
28.Ended previous policy on torture; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
29.. Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.
30.Ended previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry's predatory practices
31.Ended previous "stop-loss" policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
32.Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
33.Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
34.Established a new cyber security office
35.Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
36.Expanding vaccination programs
37.Families of fallen soldiers have expenses
38.. Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America's Veterans.
39.Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
40.Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
41.Responded with compassion and leadership to the earthquake in Haiti
42.Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
43.. Launched Business.gov – enabling conversation and online collaboration between small business owners, government representatives and industry experts in discussion forums relevant to starting and managing a business. Great for the economy.
44.Improved housing for military personnel
45.Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
46.Changed failing war strategy in Afghanistan.
47.Improving benefits for veterans
48.Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants…) after years of neglect
49.Donated his $1.4 million Nobel Prize to nonprofits.
50.Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
51.Provided tax credits to first-time home buyers through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 to revitalize the U.S. housing market.
52.Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
53.Increasing student loans
54.Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return "home" to visit loved ones
55.Cracked down on companies that deny sick pay, vacation and health insurance to workers by abusing the employee classification of independent contractor. Such companies also avoid paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes for those workers.
56.Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
57.Limits on lobbyists' access to the White House
58.Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost.
59.Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
60.Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured.
61.Lower drug costs for seniors
62.Making more loans available to small businesses
63.Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
64.. Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis
65.New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
66.Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.
67.New federal funding for science and research labs
68.New funds for school construction
69.Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
70.Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
71.. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.
72.Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
73. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
74.Provided tax credit to workers thus cutting taxes for 95% of America's working families.
75. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
76. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
77.. Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush's presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. In February 2010, the Dow closed at 10,309.24
78. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
79. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
80.Provided attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles.
81. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
82.Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
83.Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean's vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.
84.Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
85.States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
86.Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
87.Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
88.The FDA is now regulating tobacco
89.Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.
90.The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
91.The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
92.The "secret detention" facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
93.US financial and banking rescue plan
94.US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
95.. Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.
96.Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
97.Improved relations with Iran
98.Improved U.S. policy on climate change
99.Set timetable for exiting Iraq (already started removing troops) - done since this list was compiled.
100.Saved Wall Street (see, there's a bad thing right there)
101.Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Act (equal work for equal pay)
102.HEALTHCARE REFORM (Good thing, to me)
103.Ordered the military operation that killed Osama Bin Laden
No doubt the list needs updated, but - it's a start.
"once you've had black..." Palin (at the conservative straw poll) is the stupidest biatch I've seen yet! I'm sorely tempted to change my avatar now that Nasty Blingrich is the after-birth result of the GOP race.. But the stupid biatch is not runnin for anything but money from the gubers and billybobs that buy her books and see her stupid a$$ speeches...
The GOP Teapug retards called S.S. a Coast to Coast Welfare !
The GOP Tea-Retards called the G.I. Bill Welfare to our Vet's !
The GOP Teatards called Medicare Welfare aid for the Middle Class !
The American people need to send a strong message to the Tea-wackos.
Cassandra, who knew?,
Nice list, Now, provide the proof of all these claims.
Bet you don't even bother to try.
Many of them like these,
3.Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world
5.Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation
97.Improved relations with Iran
98.Improved U.S. policy on climate change
100.Saved Wall Street
are impossible to prove, in fact creditable argument could be made against.
Then you have these two which are duplicates,
69.Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
70.Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
So, I ask for your basis of proof, you laid all this out there as fact now prove it.
Bet you cant.
Lie and deflect is what they are all about.
Accomplishments:
Increase student loans - which our kids cannot pay because they cannot get jobs. Student loan debt that will cripple their financial future and insure that they never even make it to middle class levels without more "stimulus"
Stem Cell research - Lovely, as the Healthcare bill clearly and repeatedly states that government or government appointed panels will determine which medical treatments are right for you to stop abuse and wasteful spending....then who gets to profit from this research. Treatments of this nature will certainly fall above the limits set for each individual and family of medical benefits that you are entitled to receive.
Housing bailouts: designed to prolong the agony. People are still losing their homes in droves, but this is like slowly peeling away the scab instead of ripping it off cleanly so that the healing can begin. We give you a little bit now, to buy just enough time until after the election, and you will still lose your home anyway, just after you voted for us.
And the equal pay for equal work thing.....well, we haven't been able to enforce any other sorts of discrimination legislation...People still experience discrimination due to sex, age, race, religion.....what the heck is one more piece of meaningless, feel good rhetoric, which doesn't make a hill of difference to people who actually have to work for a living.
I will conceded that our present administration has relaxed tensions around the world....the rest of the world is too busy laughing at our government and leaders to be stressed about anything. Continual international faux pas and arrogance combined to insure that the image of the ugly American is alive, well and thriving, courtesy of our own government.
Mitt Romney:
Even his own dog pukes at the thought.
Feisty, I think this straw poll is much more powerful.
Lisa, I have to disagree, I don't think any of these straw polls amount to a hill of beans...
Depends on what witches can spin that straw into! Lisa you got off easy.
How can it mean much Lisa if Paul won the last two of them?
Robert Bruce, It's just a gut feeling.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Lisa, I have to disagree, I don't think any of these straw polls amount to a hill of beans...
Feisty
I agree
They should think by now their buhillllllions and buhilllions and buhillllllions and buhilllions of dollars don't matter. Just ask Meg Whittman and the wrestling queen Linda McMahon. The money does not match all the crazy talk even when they pay off young college kids.
CPAC administrators pay college students to make up at least 40% of the event's more than 10,000 attendants, and young voters (18 to 29 years old) will make up well over half the CPAC population.
ALEC members are there by paying BIG bucks, to attend. For example of how scary they are, The Koch companies management has told their employees to attend company political meetings (mandatory) and informed the employees WHO to vote for. Too much similarity between states like Arizona, Ohio and Wisconsin Govenors with their State Houses. They have attempted and succeed at introducing similar Model Bills that reduce environmental protections and authority, privatizing schools, killing unions (Arizona), privatizing prisons, voter rights (restrictions), etc. The list is quite toxic and very large. [34] There's a dedicated voting room at the conference (it looks like a voting precinct) with kiosks where attendees can vote. The other option: they can use their smartphones or iPads to cast straw poll ballots. [12] That's why people get bussed in. It's just a little vacation for somebody in some cases, in others it's the chance for the College Republicans to go on a day trip - and it's all paid for, all you have to do is vote for who you're paid to vote for. That's how the polls are bought. [11] It is hard to understand how people may think he is out of touch with voters. All he had to do is be angry and shout out "NO" to the problem of the day. They will go home knowing he is the perfect person to carry the Republican banner. [33]
http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n6_2/conservative-cpac-year.html#hdng5
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Unfortunately, the Kochs are not taking into consideration these young ones make...
a. may punk the Koch
b. as they grow older they may flip this affiliation
c. the old stale male GOP is dying out
Hiya Bev!
Missed you at the Dew Drop Inn last night! ;o)
Thanks for sharing this atrocity - we can always count on you to bring their dirty little secrets into the light GF!
Staw polls are bought and paid for by the candidate. How much is that one cost Mittens?
I will have to agree with the liberal ladies. For the most part both parties have certain factions that will skew what real voting would be in these straw polls. And the bottom line in all politics of both parties is money.
I don't see how this vote can shore Romney up with conservatives as only 38% voted for him as opposed to 58% for anti-Romneys.
So what, Tucson Massacre Mass-Murderess Palin just introduced herself to CPAC as the 2nd Amendment Remedy solution as Gods' chosen-one to the Party of Hate & Death … seriously … she actually did … and the neo-wackos are creaming themselves in torment & hysteria …
LOL
exotix,
Sarah Palin greedy butt is home in always in front of camera. When she start smacking her lips things are getting good to her. That is how you know she's lying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9kfcEga0lk&feature=player_embedded
I could not find a place to hear Palin. However, I read yesterday a VP from NRA
at CPAC said, "OBAMA wants to outlaw guns in his 2nd term."
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9kfcEga0lk&feature=player_embedded
Jus' Damn .. LOL.
So Bev...exactly what does Sara Palin have to do with all this..ha ha..gettin desparate??
And this paragon of Christian virtue actually used "WTF" in her speech to this group of "Values Voters" who greeted that with thunderous applause. Stay classy Sarah; stay virtuous, Conservatives.
A straw vote for straw men.
I'm for OBAMA in 2012.
I am not.
Are you kidding?
He has been the most devastating to happen to the U.S. dollar in our history. The U.S. dollar is virtually worthless abroad anymore.
I don't want a president that was attempting to give bass loads of our money to the Palestinians to free up their resources to attack Israel some more. Enough is enough of this clown.
Thank god, or Allah in his case the U.S. congress shut him down on that one.
Funny thing is, I am not a Republican, a Democrat or a T.E.A.
Republicans and Democrats have our country in ruins. I vote my conscience by voting against them both.
I decided that during the last presidential election when virtually every Republican and Democratic candidate were so unprepared and unqualified to be president.
I say to all you Democrats on this site so far, Your party is just as bad as the Republicans, and your liberalism is just as sickening as the Republicans conservatism. Both of you have your heads in the sand.
I urge all to kick both parties out and get some real change for once. Vote anything but Republican or Democrat for now on. Remove their base at the local level, and they will both fade into history as a dark period in American history; where they belong.
Whatever floats your boat-if he wins, bring a life preserver-you're going to need it.
Romney 2012
Jay Leno said it best in regards to Clint Eastwood Super Bowl ad, " America its half time China has the ball score U.S. 0 China 15 trillion"
Well Jay Leno is a comedian, so he's entitled to make up his own facts. The real facts, however are that China only holds about 8% ofour national debt, slightly more than Japan and Great Britain. Do you know who holds about 75% of it... we do! American investors, and Corporations and most of all the Social Security Trust fund hold most of the national debt. Frankly, Eastwood is a better source than Jay in this case, and I enjoy the Tonight Show.
Feisty...I see you are another "classy" lib. LOL
Care to discuss policy and issues? I thought not.
lmao...... Nice try Elizabeth! Id suggest the ceramic plated panties!
You must be new here Elizabeth....Feisty & Friends NEVER discuss policy or issues. At times when reading the irrelevant rants it seems that this is done ON PURPOSE to avoid facts coming into play.
Most of us just ignore them.
Elizabeth- Put out some Policies and issue's and people will discuss! Liberals like to discuss. So you go for it!
almost two hours and what? The silence is deafening.
Why do Republicans keep saying the economy is worse, when it is clearly getting better?
Romney, Boehner, Paul, and the rest of the Republicans are trying to pass off the obvious lie that the economy is getting worse.
Look at the increases in private sector jobs since President Obama took office and help me understand why Republicans refuse to tell the truth about jobs.
http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord?source=20120205_pg_st1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=obama&utm_campaign=20120205_pg_st1
What part of this chart do Republicans not understand?
Facts are the destroyer oft he Republican party !!! LOL
And what does Obama's own little chart tell you?
He managed to cover the growth of the labor force just 6 months out of 3 years ... and that "overage" doesn't even cover the 1.2 million unemployed workers he dropped last month alone from the labor pool.
Unbelievable how simple and easily fooled you guys are when you are actually living - every day in the worst recovery since the Great Depression.
The same reason democrats called bush the most corrupt, liar, and worst president of all times.
bob,
The 1.2 million came from the “prior year adjustment” that is done every Feb. by the BLS and this time included the census data.
Republicans say the economy is worse, because it is...for their election chances. People are beginning to realize that what happened to them under Dubya is what these morons are hoping to bring back. They are beholden to their 1% masters such as the Koch Brothers (treasonous bastards should be hanged) and can't STAND to see the rest of us even slowly begin to gather our legs under ourselves.
It causes the kind of insanity we've seen since the Republican Circus for President began.
So Dennis, those 1.2 million don't count, they don't want jobs ... or does dropping them just make the numbers look better?
You want to compare job creation under Reagan with Obama?
Obama has the worst long term unemployment since the Great Depression.
Fact.
No excuse either.
I have no love for the GOP, but most of those stats that ever emanate from the WH no matter what party is in power usually skews things to its own wishes, which is one of the reasons we arre in this mess in the first place. You can't tell me the economy is getting better for Main Street when the trade deficit keeps getting wider, etc. Unemployment figures have been manipulated since Reagan was in office. People that are unemployed and have simply just given up hope looking for work are not counted in the unemployment figures,etc. Any stat can be manipulated(fuzzy math) to get the desired result. Jobs are of course more scarce in some regions more than others, but I do not see any jump in good paying jobs up here in the Rust Belt. One thing that I think we all can notice in this year's GOP race is how easily folks are manipulated via the media in who to vote for. Santorum had no support from the people in terms of rallies, etc to have won 3 states, but given much favorable press within a week prior to each vote he has become a force. On the other hand Paul, who always talks to a packed crowd, and raised more money than Santorum gets virtually ignored in the press and underperforms in somes states. My point is that if the media states crap time and time again the boobs of John Q Public will eventually take it as truth.
bob,
And the GDP growth was twice as negative growth as Reagan with only one third of the manufacturing and export business as Reagan had to help with the recovery.
FACT
all i hear everyday job cut job cut, more people are mooching off the government they ever have, people are sucking on their unemployment benefits as long as they can, and than taking lowering paying jobs. A Harvard Grad should be able make some improvements in 3 years in office unemployment is not 6,5,4 % now that's improvement even if their are improvements obama still stomps on the Constitution he has been changing is mind like the wind also
HA HA....the 'blame game' is OVER. Obama has been an epic fail!
Robert Bruce, That's why it's propaganda. It is a very dangerous practice.
Dennis,
What?
Did you get twisted up trying to cherry pick something you could twist?
I thought we were talking about employment .... don't have the guts to put up those numbers?
bob,
You brought Reagan not me “You want to compare job creation under Reagan with Obama?”
I just stated the very simple reason why job creation was sooo very much easier then, than it is now.
Can you prove me wrong??
The names "Reagan" & "Obama" shouldn't even be said in the same sentence. Obama only wishes he had been as successful!
Harbinger and Dennis. Charts are made to convince people.
Example
AGW uses the Wood's Hole Carbon vs Temperature graph to imply that carbon is the reason the temperatures are rising. Look closer - they spliced all the lower results from several ice cores to flatten previous years carbon. Look even closer - inside the chart you can see that carbon rises before temperature as much as temperature rises first, as much as the two go in opposite directions.
The worst thing about graphs and charts is that it takes some time to figure out weather you are being lied to or not.
Here's the problems with this chart. This is the Jobs listed per year
2008 136.8 Million
2009 130.8 Million. -6.0 million
2010 129.9 Million -0.9 million
2011 131.4 Million +1.5 million or +125,000 per month. GOOD - Progress
However consider The Carter & Reagan years
1977 82.6 million Jobs
1978 86.8 million +4.2 Million
1979 89.9 Million +3.1 Million
1980 90.5 Million +596 Thousand This was considered bad!
1981 91.3 Million +761 Thousand
1982 89.7 Million -1.6 Million
1983 90.3 Million +603 thousand
1984 94.5 Million +4.3 Million
1985 97.5 Million +3.0 Million
1986 99.5 Million +2.0 Million
1987 102.1 Million +2.6 Million
1988 105.3 Million +3.2 Million
1989 108.0 Million +2.7 Million
Considering the Reagan Era - Your boy isn't doing so good - Is he?
That is the reality - the chart is putting deoderant on a skunk or a tuxedo on a corpse!
My point was not that Reagan created more jobs but why he was able to create many jobs quickly. The same for Clinton but Bush 43 didn't do so well for the same reasons I stated above.
Dennis,
Does Obama have an incredible inflation / stagflation problem like Reagan?
Times are different ... ok .... deal with it.
Everybody that had to deal with the previous 10 recessions dealt with it and produced results on average twice what Obam has accomplished!
Excuses ... excuses ... excuses ... just admit that Obama is an out of depth community organizer that has produced NOTHING BUT EXCUSES.
All recessions by this time (officially over by the numbers 4 months into BO's term) have the economy growing at 4-6% range. we are running this year's latest estimate at 1.8%
not sure why people dog on Reagan as his employed number was up 20% while he was in
I occcasionally see Reagan dogged or the question raised on why we as americans love him so much.
I really don't have the answer but I do know one thing, People all around the world love Ronald Reagan, want proof?
President Unveils Monument to Reagan
Isn't it a wonder how everyone around the world loved Ronald Reagan just as much as they loved Jack Kennedy?
Feisty, I'll agree to disagree. Most straw polls don't mean much but I think this one does. I was a little surprised Mitt got the nod.
Lisa,
Don't get me wrong, I believe Willard will ultimately win the nomination.
However, Willard no longer has that air of inevitability about him, even with this 'win'?
He's been running for 6+ years & has spent tens of millions of dollars but he still can't crack over a 40% approval rating... lol
All this talk about a brokered convention & Jeb etc. is BS, any Republican left in the party who has an ounce of dignity is going to sit this out & wait for 2016.
Feisty, I agree with you about Jeb. I hope Newt drops out then i hope we start to have a real dialogue about how to get this economy moving. I will be listening to all ideas. Whoever has the best policy towards growth and deficit reduction will probably be the one to get my vote.
Santorum is standing in the way. According to PPP Santorum has jumped into the lead nationally among republicans. Now Mitt is training his missles on him, but I think from looking into Santorum's background that Mitt is going to come out looking like Governor Ann Richards did when ole "W" ran for governor of Texas the first time.
Watch Georgia be the end of Gingrich. The latest poll Gingrich 35, Santorum 26, Romney 16, and Paul 5. The caution here is I don't have a track record for this pollster. Just a week ago Survey USA showed Gingrich 45, Romney 32, Santorum 9 and Paul 8. We are going to see a few more polls in Georgia, we'll see if that holds up. But, if Gingrich cannot win his home state by a 10+ point margin, he is done.
Now, could somebody poll Massachusetts so we can have an idea how Romney is really fairing there?
Of Mitt course he won there. CPAC is a gathering of the juggalo, mainstream, pandering, bought and paid for Republicans.
End the Fed 2013!
Ron Paul 2012!
Shows the sad state of the presumed standout leaders of the Republican Party doesn't it.
A lot of conservatives are stuck on one single issues "electability". The joke is that every republican is "unelectable" to the left. That issue is a losing issue because electablitly has been made into something it is not.
The correct thing to look at first is "Is the candidate likeable"
Obama is likeable - almost to 'god' status
Bush was more likeable than Gore or Kerry.
Clinton was loved by all
Reagan was liked by even his enemies.
I thought Juggalos were Insane Clown Posse fans. Is there another meaning?
It does prove that CPAC can be bought. There is nothing conservative about Mitt.
Bought nothing - more like overly intellectually stimulated.
Wow, big win for the shape shifter at the Commitee for Participating A$$ Clowns! Just can't break through that majority glass ceiling.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 - we got it straight in 08!
Lots of mad Santorum/Paul/Obama fans replying to this article lol
HXHalex, >>> naw, we're just tired of our IDIOTIC publicano pardie NOTTttttt knowing why/how Obama won by such a Landslide LAST time! FYI - - - LOTTZ of us Republicanos voted fer Oby last time, because MY/our party was too STUPID to listen to what us "GRINGOS" wanted in/from our, ... "Presi-denteee". >>> THE saddest part is tho: THEY are STILL too STUPID to figure it out yet!!! <> WOW, what a bunch of DUMMMMMMMMMBELLS they STILL are, & uno-it 2.
Of course Ms. Me First Feisty Redhead has to be first in line, AGAIN!
Geeze!
Jealous much?
Thanks for pointing that out Robin, maybe someday you too can be #1! ;o)
Until then, you will have to get in line, there is a waiting list to join the Feisty Redhead Fan Club!
So many fans with only so much room! ☺
PS: Isn't the topic the straw poll?
Feisty ... Robin is just looking for some free popcorn.
TOG,
All the silly girl had to do was ask... you know I don't mind sharing! ;o)
ROFL...HA HA...your 1st 10 entries had basically NOTHING to do with the straw poll....HA HA ...'jst a bunch of name-calling....!! hee hee
Fiesty you are nothing but 1st class entertainment!!!
So much for the Elites not trying to pick the GOP candidate. My guess is a lot of the attendees at CPAC are pretty well off and our not your average republican.
Your all wacked in the head. There is nobody in DC who gives a damn about us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This late in the game, and Romney only gets 38 percent of the conservatives. He better hope that he can turn things around, before the general election. I have heard a lot of conservatives say, that if Romney is the GOP nominee, they're just not going to vote.
Not what I heard! Not only is he going to get the vote of the conservatives in the general election, but with the Independents as well!! Romney is the only cadidate that can work with both ends of the aisle to get things done, not divide the parties and get nothing done like Obama has done and continues to do.
Well Dee ...you are right about one thing...he can work all sides of the aisle at once. That's why they call him "Ricochet Romney" !!!
Dee
you say "Romney is the only candidate who won't divide parties"....
You better do a reality check there - he's divided the sh*t out of the GOP!
How do you come to that conclusion? While Romney was Governor of Massachussets, he had to deal with a legislature that was 85% Democrat. I don't think anyone has any idea how hard it is to govern in a liberal state where you are the minority and given his situation, I think he did a pretty good job getting things done. He got more done as Governor of Massachussets as a Republican minority than Obama has done with a Congress that is half Republican and half Democrat. Very appealing with Independents who will ultimately decide the general election.
Not what I am hearing either. I know a lot of Independents and Democrats that voted for Obama in 08 that say they will not make that same mistake again.
Well maybe these people you are talking about "Breeze" should start telling other people
Latest polls - Obama 49 Romney 42
btw Dee - he got things done in Ma by vetoing over 80 bills - guess that is what you teapublicans call "bringing people together"!
Dee Patriot
Same as if a democrat President has Strong Republican majorities in the Legislature. It's tough. Best one I've seen handle it was Bill Clinton.
To hear the left talk you the last 3 years you could've sworn the Republicans were the ones with the super majorities.
DB Akron
The way you teapublicans talk for the last 3 years the dems had a "super majority"...
Of course history and facts always get in the way of good posts for you on the right...will you inform us all on exactly when the dems had a "super majority"?
*here's a factual hint - for only the month mid Jul 09 - mid Aug 09
Not one real Christian among them. Complete phonies. J.D. Salinger would be having a field day.
MOT from DU, >>> Yes I believe that YOU are 100% Correct. Was getting to think I was a little paranoid as I thought mebbe I wuz the only one that thinks all of our DC polititions are demons, non-believers & BULL-SHYTTERZ from the word GO!
Don ppear to be ANY God Fearing people amongst them a'Tall. S'not my job to judge but I certainly am NOT afraid to say what I think & the OBVIOUS, ... which is what they PORTRAY & we all can clearly see.
hmmm, ... yessssssssss yu are right.
I clicked you up because at first I thought you meant Democrats too.
I want my click back.
MOT from down under
So, what do you think a Christian is?
Heh, lets take a look at those numbers again. Margin of error was +/- 4 percent. Newt had 20 percent, Willard had 27. With margin of error, Newt could have 24 and Romney could have 23. SO much for a landslide :).
Romney got 38, not 27. Newt had 15, not 20.
Even with the largest stretch of the margin of error, it's still 34 vs. 19. Newt's the old flavor of the month.
Its like trying to pick the STD that is Juuust right for you....
More voter fraud, more stolen elections, more sleight of hand. ENOUGH.
It's time for Voter Transparency. I'm tired of the people with the money fixing our process.
Never ending humor here!
Jolly, You are pretty funny today.
So Romney is still top clown. Congrats Mittens! And Sanitorium follows close behind. There's your choices righties. You can have the phoniest politician America has ever seen, a man who simply OOZES insincerity from every pore and every fiber of his being. A man who painfully obviously does not believe one word of what he says himself. Oooorrrrr you can have a superstitious lunatic who wants to take America back to the 12th century! Decisions, decisions...lol...
Doesnt take much Lisa! Thank god Pebble Beach is on.
Jolly, I was watching "On the Waterfront"
Anybody but Obama!! 2012 - the man that single-handedly put our spending into a LESS than AAA rating!!
I just ♥ how these mental midgets never let the FACTS get in the way of a good rant! lol
Try try little guy but no prize for you!
Since your associated with this network, why don't you look at the chart that MSN Money itself put online with debt spending.
Belittle, intimidate, and try to hide from the facts all you want...but Obama has been an EPIC FAIL girl..
...OWN IT!!!!
ps personal insults only make you look worse...
The Tea Pary owns the credit downgrade, Just, and that is how most Americans see it.
Talk about an EPIC fail - that has to be one of the most atrocious deflects I have ever seen...
So maybe, we can find a prize for you after all!
Like your opinion matters to me? Puleeze - I eat little trolls like you for lunch! lmao
No worries, I will take great pleasure in watching your head explode on 11.6.12!
Bank on it little buddy!
PS: In the meantime, practice focusing, people might take you a tad more serious!
Double PS: At least you admitted I intimidate the @!$%# out of you! ☺
Another downgrade is on the Horizon - but you had to know that when the Repubs couldn't get enough real cuts out of the democratic senate.
Feisty Read Head: Keep posting the truth and maybe some of these suckup sidekicks for the gop will wake up and realize that they are being lead over a cliff, and away from the real facts about the gop's real agenda. And let them complain about not being first because you can't help it that your mind and hands are faster than their's.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Ya...u a BIG troll gurl - get a life. Obama is doomed to fail and your desparation is only showing. Stay out of these pages unless you stick to the facts. FACT: Obama has spent us into a LESS than AAA rating!
'nouf said
Game - set - match!
Although, I have to admit you weren't very tasty & rather ill prepared to boot!
Again, I thank you for playing - get back to me when you're mama weans you will ya?
I so do ♥ bitch slapping rookies! lol
...even when you lose??? You do support Obama don't you?...lol
Damn little dude - you make this WAAAAY too easy! lol
For starters, please show us where I lost? lol
So far, I have spit U up and chewed you out! And that is just for starters...
Hey, I'm a republican, but this attitude reminds me of someone in my family of whom they used to say, "She would vote for a chimpanzee if it were the right party!" No offense, but do you really mean ANYBODY but Obama? You'd rather have a Hitler clone or nutcase? I am not a huge Obama fan, but there are a lot worse people than him! And I'm truly not just picking on the above poster or his party. Don't you guys of ALL parties see that if our president of whatever party fails the whole country fails? So whoever gets elected, we need to help them succeed if we want this country to succeed. I DON'T mean that we have to agree with all their policies-we can certainly support opposing legislation and vote against decisions we dislike and so forth; but to seek to undermine the whole government because a president is the "wrong" party is self-destructive. And to desire a crook or an idiot of the "right" party over someone who is able to govern even if you disagree with them is nuts. (I'm not making any references to any specific presidential candidates with my remarks, BTW. These are general remarks referring to the "anyone but Obama" statement.)
Now, I know you don't literally mean "anyone but Obama." I was making a point. It's just the attitude that bothers me. It seems to say that you are unwilling to work with anyone who doesn't agree with you. And even though I sort of seemed to single you out, forgive me-as I said, I didn't mean just you or even just republicans. It was just a really good example. The same is true of many people of both parties on here-I hear it all the time. Everything is always the fault of the other guy, and your guy has no responsibility at all. You sound like a bunch of addicts unwilling to grow up and take responsibility for yourselves. Adults are able to compromise and reach agreements with each other for the good of the entire community. (Like you teach kids to share their toys in kindergarten. Kids have to have all the toys for themselves.) So far I have seen very little adult behavior in either party of our government-politicians or voters.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
The mere fact you spend so much time on me indicates that you're SCARED of my opinions...lol
Well, one things for sure, whom ever the nominee is, they'll diffidently be grasping at straws when they have to debate Pres. Obama..
Debating Obama will not be a problem when they have Obama's record on their side.
He has a record out !!! Wow...I hope he does that Al Green song !!! Maybe Mitty will cut one now !!! I mean a record........
Good thing for Mittens the presidential race isn't a singing contest! Not that he has any real chance anyway...
With the economy steadily improving for two years, I hope President Obama does run on his record. It's a very difficult hypothetical argument for the GOP nominee to admit that things are getting better, but they somehow would be even better with another President.
ohhhh ho ho....what person for Obama in their right mind wants to see a DEBATE with his record!!...lol ROFL
Feisty,
I hope Romney asks for a recount. You know what happened in Iowa!
Northstar,
Ahhh yesss.... thanks for the reminder! lol
Willard had better be careful what he 'wishes' for!
Thank God for that safety net vote......
I just listened to HALF term Governor Sarah whatsherhoohoo...wow..I thought during all of that time at an undisclosed location,she would have been doing some studying.How soon the right forgets...she almost single handedly got Barrack Obama elected as our President last time around,and now she is the CLOSER at CPUKE !!! Thats like PEEWEE HERMAN heading the RNC...Huh ??? He is ??? Oh...never mind....
I changed my party affiliation because of her. If anything, she underscores the ignorance, bigotry, and paranoia that the hidden power brokers in the Republican Party used to coerce the white trash into America into believing their fundamentally greedy and harmful agenda.
I will never ever cast another Republican vote again!
So, Ron Paul didn come, and he won this the last two times ...but lost the nomination...this time he doesn't do CPAC....but is doing much better. at least he is seriopus about cutting spending and fixing the Fed.
Naa...He was just staying in his hotel room until he was absolutely sure MLK day was over !!!
I'm positive Dr. Ron doesn't 'come' without some assistance from his little blue pills!
David...Excuse the nasty bitch. The batteries in her dildo just died.
Ya Breeze that was a really foul post - and yours isn't much better - Because her's was collapsed, Tyler or Sally will come and probably give you a day or two off!
DB
No Problemo.
i will vot romney.......not
obama 2012