Catholics United: "President Obama has shown us that he is willing to rise above the partisan fray to deliver an actual policy solution"”

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Oh Happy Day

Fiesty, get that popcorn ready for everyone to have a nice day

Always the rational man, President Obama makes the reasonable choice again!

Aw heck, President Obama, you took away their (fake) points of outrage! Thank You!........

Meanwhile........Weeper, where are the jobs?

Fiesty, get that popcorn ready for everyone to have a nice day

Ready & waiting!

See you over at the Dew Drop Inn later GF!

And the previous week's worth of liberal talking points defending the radical Obama policy , have been deleted from the archive, and from the empty minds of the Obamabots posting the daily talking points...

Yes, we have always been at war with Eastasia, not Eurasia, right, Feisty?

The libs have huddled up and ..surprise, Obama is right!

Obama was right to change his position..even though, yesterday, he was right because his position was a matter of principle and not subject to compromise....

is that the dew driop in in google in the windy city? it appears a little rough

LOL Headlines from sites:

Rick Perry say he will run for President again.

Callista Gingrich to intro Newt at CPAC.

chilled

Aw heck, President Obama, you took away their (fake) points of outrage! Thank You!........

Never fear...the spin machine will try to find a way to make Obama the bad guy, no matter what positive things he does.

Meanwhile........Weeper, where are the jobs?

Not very useful is he? Ol' Boner's becoming the Grim Weeper.

CPAC never fails to deliver. I was listening to Rick Santorum trip the light fantastic with his holier than thou, only our views are the right views, and provide us with his interpretation of the 1st Amendment while his family stood behind him and smiled.

Beverly, I think Catholics United said it perfectly. Now maybe the republicans, and the media can get back to discussing what really matters to people.

They are easily entertained.

@kaybeetoys

The Weeper has to always be aware that Brutus (Cantor) is there with the knife ready......scary stuff always having to watch his back! lol

Excellent point bob.

But come on do you really think the Feistys, Jodys or chilled would ever admit it?

Heck I don't even think they get it.

And for gosh sake - it's Eastasia today, but we all know it'll-be Eurasia tomorrow.

I say flip, you say flop. I say 'must stand for contraception', you say 'must stand against super pacs.'

Fun gaime this one, especially here with this gang.

"is that the dew driop in in google in the windy city? it appears a little rough"

Buck, you obviously never got the memo. As I'm sure NoJoe or JAS1 or Bob Numbers would be happy to tell you, the Dew Drop Inn is an "imaginary" bar where all us imaginary people from all around the imaginary country meet to sip imaginary drinks and have imaginary conversations about imaginary politics in front of the imaginary fire as we listen to imaginary music and hatch imaginary plots to take over the world.

Jody - Did Santorum by any chance expound on his theory that women shouldn't be allowed in combat because it'll compromise the mission because all those big brave men will be too busy trying to fight their instinct to help us poor defenseless little girls to pay attention to the enemy?

Obama certainly got his boney butt handed to him on this one. And as much as the Libbies would like to have this erased from memory and swept under the rug, that won't happen soon, if ever. Now we've had a taste of ObamaCare in the real sense of what it means to average people.

Apparently Obama thinks he knows best and his new policy to force religious hospitals and schools to offer abortion inducing medications and birth control in their health care plans for employees looks to be a clear violation of the religious freedom guaranteed by the Constitution. So where does this arrogance by Obama come from? Just what type of supreme being does Obama think he is to tell the church what they can and cannot do? Obama will certainly take a beating from the voters on this issue, not just for this act of violence against the church, but with people wondering what else the government thinks it can dictate and control people with its ObamaCare and other abusive federal laws that trample the rights of Americans.

Looks the Democrats should have read the ObamaCare bill, because even many of them are walking back from their vote to support such a thing. These pathetic pieces of trash Democrats though are accountable for their votes and for not even reading the ObamaCare bill before voting on it. These Democrats are the true purveyors of the false thought that the centralized government knows better and can dictate their "wisdom" to the illiterate and unwashed masses. These dolts though can't even run their own business of governance without massive cost overruns and corruption.

Obama got his nose smacked hard over this issue, and now he's backed down. He won't learn though, he's too stupid and tied up in his own little narcissistic world to relent on this issue. He'll put some political spin on it, his idiotic Liberal minions will give their usual collective cheer, and the media will grudgingly support Obama's newest fabrications. But, the voters have taken notice, and now know what Obama's "Hope and Change" really looks like.

"Enough red meats been thrown already this morning, to stock my freezer for 6 months!"

ONLY 6 months? - better watch your cholesterol!

Thank You Mr. President for once again being the only adult in the room!

So true Feisty. Our President is the Greatest!

JAS1-

funny how even many libbies are starting to realize this is about OBEYing.

At least the mask is off now so so many more.

Gee, I wonder if Obama, Jarrett and the crackle of moonbats would have done an about face if this was his second term with no reelection to worry about.

The incompetent fool just gave us a look at what a second term will look like.

This election is now no longer just a referendum on his mismanagement of the economy. Now social issues will be a driving force amongst republicans.

That's for the added energy boost Obama.

I’m looking forward to all the FR lefty liberals praising Barry’s brilliance by making the evil insurance companies provide free contraception coverage to women employees of religiously affiliated colleges and charities.

I am looking forward even more to our constitutional law professor President eating his words when the evil insurance companies win their federal lawsuits challenging him for mandating an unconstitutional subsidy to religious organizations prohibited by the concept of separation of church and state embodied in the Constitution.

LOL!!!

The point of this exercise was to see to it that insured women are eligible for free contraception measures. Success! Women who are covered by medical insurance are eligible for free contraception measures. Son of a gun.

Women are the winners here. Catholic women who do not wish to use contraceptives do not - and never did - have to use them. Catholic men do not - and never did - have to use contraceptives either. Isn't that great?

My question is this: Why do business organizations that posture as "religious" outfits receive special treatment that is clearly precluded by the First Amendment? The First Amendment protects INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Have churches - like corporations - now become people?

Told you so. Albeit a few hours before my 5 pm guess.

But I am curious, If an owner of a small business now says it is against his religion to provide this care, can he too, shift the costs ( oh wait, this free contraception, so there won't be any costs, right? ) off to the Insurance companies.

If so, i bet a lot of business owners "find" religion.

Spanker.

There is no contridiction between arguing the point of view that affiliated religious intities, such as hospitals and universities, who perferform a secular service should have to abide by the same rules as everyone else, and recognizing that a comprimise that makes most people happy is a good thing.

In fact, I think it was apperent by mid week the administration would find some middle ground.

Bob, like you and the rest of the parrots, are simply upset they no longer have this trumped up issue to whine about.

The attention might actually go back to the clowns running in the primary, and performing at the CPAC circus.

Where does one get free contraceptives? Do they magically appear when you wish them into existence?

Can I get free insulin? How about some free Oxycontin?

WCO.

But I am curious, If an owner of a small business now says it is against his religion to provide this care, can he too, shift the costs ( oh wait, this free contraception, so there won't be any costs, right? ) off to the Insurance companies.

The answer is no.

But you do highlight the fact that the government had every legal right to require affiliated religious entities to provide the coverage. In fact, they could force the actual church to provide the coverage, but for political reasons, decided not to. This is really a labor issue, not a first amendment issue.

(If you disagree with that last sentance, answer this: Can the Mormon Church now start practicing polygamy again?)

How about some free Oxycontin?

From the sound of you Alan, you already have plenty!

Joe.

I am looking forward even more to our constitutional law professor President eating his words when the evil insurance companies win their federal lawsuits challenging him for mandating an unconstitutional subsidy to religious organizations prohibited by the concept of separation of church and state embodied in the Constitution.

You know nothing of the Constitution.

The government has every legal right to mandate religious organizations include birth control coverage. This is not a first amendment issue, it is a labor issue.

Why do you never research anything you are fed on the conservative game of telephone? Wow.

Rob.

This election is now no longer just a referendum on his mismanagement of the economy. Now social issues will be a driving force amongst republicans.

LOL!!! Good luck with those social issues....

If the economy continues to improve, it will be harder for those that feed you to continue the obfuscation of Obama's economic record, and the GOP will essentially have nothing to run on.

I am sure you will still suport the delusion, regardless.

Enough red meats been thrown already this morning, to stock my freezer for 6 months!

I'd throw it out - tis full of maggots. Watching the CPAC has-been child actor Cameron talk about seeding American was enough to cause me to lose my lunch.

Yep 'Cants - no contradiction at all.

Of course there was also no contradiction is saying in '06 that raising the debt limit was a horrible, terrible, bad thing to do, only to later do it.

And of course no contradiction is saying super pacs are the root of all evil, only to not go full Lebowski on them.

Heck no, not a single contradiction or flip flop with this guy. Although is is nice to see him fully embrace all his 1% buddies and pals.

As for the economy - I hope you are right, but then again gas is already at $4.00 [premium] around here, and I sure remember the last time that happened. But of course that was in the summer, not Feb. I can't wait to see what it'll be come June.

This is not a first amendment issue, it is a labor issue.

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Sorry, pal. It's both a labor issue and a Constitutional freedom of religion issue. And when a law in the US Code is in conflict with the Constitution, the Constitution wins.

Always.

Why do you never research anything you are fed on the lefty liberal game of telephone? Wow.

Heck no, not a single contradiction or flip flop with this guy. Although is is nice to see him fully embrace all his 1% buddies and pals.

How about "Insurance premiums will be so reasonable there will be no need to consider wage garnishing".

Wait a minute, that Health Insurance Mandate, or IRS penalty looks like a good idea.

Spanker.

Of course there was also no contradiction is saying in '06 that raising the debt limit was a horrible, terrible, bad thing to do, only to later do it.

Deflection #1.

And of course no contradiction is saying super pacs are the root of all evil, only to not go full Lebowski on them.

Deflection #2.

Heck no, not a single contradiction or flip flop with this guy. Although is is nice to see him fully embrace all his 1% buddies and pals.

Deflection #3.

All three deflections do not really deflect from the fact their was no contridiction with this issue. I do realize the above deflections makes you feel better about your delusional reality, however.

As for the economy - I hope you are right, but then again gas is already at $4.00 [premium] around here, and I sure remember the last time that happened. But of course that was in the summer, not Feb. I can't wait to see what it'll be come June.\

Now this IS a contridiction.

You say you hope the economy continues to improve, but seem giddy at the fact gas prices will increase, and possibly hurt the economy.

Stop making it so obvious you are a delusional hack. Really.

Joe.

Sorry, pal. It's both a labor issue and a Constitutional freedom of religion issue. And when a law in the US Code is in conflict with the Constitution, the Constitution wins.

Um...once again. You know nothing of the constitution. This is not a constitutional issue. There was no conflict with the constitution.

But since you seem to think there is, would you say outlawing polygamy is unconstitutional? If not, please explain the contridiction.

(Or actually do some research and think the issue through before repeating the crap you are fed, again.)

The accommodation appears reasonable. Does anyone know if the Catholic Church finds this accommodation acceptable?

Very complex issues involved IMHO, some of which require thoughtful deliberation.

This is not a constitutional issue. There was no conflict with the constitution.

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The text of the First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". The federal govt forcing Catholic affiliated organizations to pay for services that violate some of the most fundamental beliefs of the Catholic religion certainly does prohibit Catholic's from the "free exercise" of their religion. THAT makes this federal govt mandate a Constitutional issue.

What the Hell does polygamy have to do with ANYTHING related to the federal govt forcing Catholics to violate their most fundamental religious beliefs??

This is my last post to you on this subject because you are simply repeating the Obamabot party line and wasting my time.

Joe.

Again, this is not a constitutional issue, and you have no understanding of the constitution.

Employment Division v. Smith

"It is a permissible reading of the [free exercise clause]...to say that if prohibiting the exercise of religion is not the object of the [law] but merely the incidental effect of a generally applicable and otherwise valid provision, the First Amendment has not been offended.."

What the Hell does polygamy have to do with ANYTHING related to the federal govt forcing Catholics to violate their most fundamental religious beliefs??

The government outlawed polygamy, which was a fundamental belief of many in the Mormon church. I realize your paritsan blindness does not allow you to see the relation.

This is my last post to you on this subject because you are simply spouting the Obamabot party line and wasting my time.

Your concession is noted, jr, along with your ignorance.

Your concession is noted

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The ONLY things I "conceded" was that you are an Obamabot moron and that you were wasting my time. I happily concede another 40 seconds of my life to clarify that for you.

LMFAO@U!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DCIA:

Apparently, the recent Obama approach/change/clarification has mollified Catholics who are of a liberal stripe. The right-wing variety of Catholics and the evangelicals - of course - still do not seem to grasp the fact that this is not an infringement on their beliefs.

Even if there were an omniscient God, He would not be able to explain that this is a labor compensation issue to these hardheaded clots. It's amazing how easy it is to rile up the low-intelligence crowd.

However, it is rather disingenuous to suggest that insurance companies are now going to give free contraception to insured women who want it. Contraception, with the exception of abstinence, does not come without cost. Insurers are going to recover those costs through premium increases.

On the other hand, Big Pharma is, and has been, gouging women on the costs of the pill and other contraceptives. The bargaining power of giant insurers may actually be powerful enough to get the price of the pill down.

Preventing unwanted pregnancies is a good thing, regardless of what that clown in the Vatican says.

Joe.

Wow. You certainly are upset the spoon fed drivel you willingly swallowed, but never researched, got tossed in your face.

You did concede, jr. You conceded when you ran away from yet another issue you know nothing about, the constitution.

You coming back to call me a moron for rubbing your face in your ignorance only reinforces the concession.

So thanks again, jr.

WTF is wrong with the right-wing? Even Harry Reid was in the news on the Senate floor telling everyone to calm down because a ruling had not been made. The Obama administration was merely in the decision-making process to determine how this part of the Affordable Health Care Act should be implemented.

But of course the Affordable Health Care Act would be attacked, and by the likes of Gingrich who knows "Obamacare," and outright lies that religion is under attack by the "Other" president and "secular" liberals would get him a little more free press. What red meat this has been for candidates like Santorum to throw to his fundamentalist base, or any of the GOP/TP leaders (Boehner, McConnell, etc.) to use to gin up the Teapublican base?

Just like all the other attacks such as those against Planned Parenthood that are completely baseless, and other fear-mongering lies -- You right-wingers are truly pitiful, and now what new lie will you get you panties in a wade about?

BTW, Santorum was part of the Terri Schiavo intervention, which was a turning point against the Bush administration for religious overreach. The Terri Schiavo intervention ended many right-wing political careers such as Bill Frist, even Jeb Bush took a hit, but also a reason Santorum was not reelected to congress.

What the religious-right want is to impose their narrow, extreme beliefs on all of the nation (Christian Sharia Law). It is the other way around -- We are under attack by the fundamentalist extremists in this country. Fear them, not the "secular" government that is supposed to be secular!

Throw the Teapublicans out -- Obama/Biden - 2012!

David -- No, I do not think the accommodation satisfied some who continue to object as evidenced in the other most recent FR article on this issue. For me, personally, these types of issues always raise more questions than I have answers for.

Your take on costs vs. benefits and Big Pharma are spot on.

Hope your move is going well friend.

Alan, NJ

How about some free Oxycontin?

Rush Limbaugh can fix you up, but I doubt he'd give it away. He's all about the $$$.

What red meat this has been for candidates like Santorum to throw to his fundamentalist base, or any of the GOP/TP leaders (Boehner, McConnell, etc.) to use to gin up the Teapublican base?

Just like all the other attacks such as those against Planned Parenthood that are completely baseless, and other fear-mongering lies -- You right-wingers are truly pitiful, and now what new lie will you get you panties in a wade about?

What really would have served them right is for Obama to have said, "Fine. Let anyone with religious scruples against contraception pay for it out of their own pocket."

Can you imagine the outcry that would have caused? Such flipping hypocrites...

Poor 'cants, he doesn't understand that his views aren't the correct views, but he is the master of the strawman argument!

american.

Poor 'cants, he doesn't understand that his views aren't the correct views, but he is the master of the strawman argument!

LOL!!!

Yet my views are supported by the actual interpretation of the constitution......

And everything that disrupts your ideological view is not a straw man. Sorry you are having a hard time rationalizing away the obvious.

Just wanted to thank Repulicants and David Walker for your comments. Well thought-out, well expressed, and logical rebuttals might not convince the other side (will anything convince some people?) but it comforts me to know such rational people still exist in America.

Now this contraceptive issue look settled even though GOP tried framing it as Obama at war with churches. Let's see what's next for this empty barrels. Sure don't expect them to discuss the economy and foreign policies..........Obama's got the numbers there. Bunch of sore losers.

Obama in full retreat. If you're right, you don't cave in.

Weak.

WEAK?

Weak is GOP that's all over the place regarding this even the Catholic church. Crunch the poll numbers and you'll understand more.

Weak is GOP that's got no answer to the economic impasse and complete failure on foreign policies.

Weak is GOP controlled house that's a puppet to Grover Norquist.

Weak is GOP expected nominee, Romney, that passed the ruling in MA but flipped.

Weak is GOP void of ideas rather taps into cultural extremism.

The problem with your party twowheeler, is that they think they are right all of the time and they never need to apologise, compromise or right a wrong. To me it sounds like the spoiled child that is always on that bench outside the principle's office.

Wayne:

The problem with your party twowheeler, is that they think they are right all of the time and they never need to apologise, compromise or right a wrong. To me it sounds like the spoiled child that is always on that bench outside the principle's office.

Sounds more like the GOP to me.

Obama has pretty much taught the GOP that if they stand up to him, they get their way. Today is another lesson in the obvious.

Wayne, if you think democrats are any different, you are delusional.

Reagan compromised with Tip O'Neil alot. They called it leadership.

The GOP seems to recall him as a Saint.

Yes, I was a young adult when Reagan was President.

Now compromises is a bad word with the GOP.

Sandy:

They sure have figured out how to work with Obama, haven't they?

DeMint urged his party’s presidential candidates and their supporters to make no compromises with Obama and congressional Democrats.

“We don’t have shared goals with the Democrats,” DeMint told the conservative activists. “Every time we compromise with Democrats, we spend more, we borrow more, we grow government.”

I voted for Reagan twice. Compromise was good for the country.

Now the GOP seems to not know what it means

or are unwilling to compromise.

OBAMA 2012

Sandy - The people are so wacky they don't even believe in themselves anymore. Reagan is only mentioned for political gains.

Today's GOP is in identity crisis.

Obama/Biden the clear choice 2012

So Harry Reids refusal to put any house republican financial or jobs bill up for debate is different?

I guess you cant be accused of not being willing to comprimise if you never let the situation where it is needed occur in the first place

Sco:

Yup. Different.

Reid won't put it out there because guys like DeMint make it clear they won't compromise. See the link in #2.8.

At least Obama and Reid leave the possibility of compromise open. The GOP only leaves complete surrender as the option for the Dems.

Biwheeler,

Your posts confuse me. They seem to be anti-Obama and anti-GOP! You seem to be for compromise and against it! Can you clarify you position?

Wayne:

Sorry if I haven't been clear.

Obama has trained the GOP to push back; they know he will surrender when they do. So of course there's no hope of compromise; the GOP KNOWS they don't have to give up anything.

Just when I think Obama is finally figuring it out and developing a spine he caves in again.

Here's my take. We live in 2 different Americas. A blue one and a red one. And those two places are now so far apart that compromise is not possible. The real game now is power. Only one side can prevail.

Call me a cynic, but if Obama just said NO a few times, the GOP might understand that it can't always get everything it wants. And we would all better for their new found interest in compromise.

Biwheeler,

I agree with you on most points, and I agree that there were a few times when I feel he should have stood up to the teabaggers a little more, but I don't want a president who refuses to compromise when it is warranted. That would make us too much like the opposition. For some time now he has been showing strength when they have been showing weakness and confusion. The man is doing fine.

By the way Biwheeler, I am glad we agree on who the spoiled child on the office bench resembled!

Sandy, funny thing about compromise... I wonder how many times reagan threatened to veto democratic house bills vs the number of times obama has used the veto threat or publicly denigrated the right on proposed legislation?

If you think that compromise starts with attacks you are worfully misinformed, all it does is harden the oppositions stance.

I can hear it now... Obama is a flip flopper. Instead of he reached a compromise which let religious organizations off the hook?

Hate sells just ask Newt.

Obama can do no wrong to Amy...

Yesterday his position was a matter of principle, his refusal to compromise a tribute to his leadership.

Today, he caves, and Amy still spits out the daily talking points...

Bob - you forget that amyb would walk across hot coals for obama, I wonder if she would stand in them?

Of course she would american - she is truly in love.

It's an interesting case of hero worship, which is so very odd given her particular circumstances.

You'd think someone like Amy would be pissed off. She will be forced, do to poor planning on her part, to rely 100% on entitlements.

Yet the dems are doing everything they can to ensure that the entitlements will disappear in the short term.

Christ Obama just gutted the already insolvent payroll tax system for votes.

Funny thin is the youth are starting to get it, which is why Obama has got a huge youth vote issue. They cannot get jobs and know [unlike our gal Amy] that the entitlements will be gone long before they get any benefit. They also know they will be paying the lion's share for the Amy's of the world.

It's sad really.

But hey - happy Friday.

Amy B. Portland, ME

Aw, gee, what are the right-wingers going to use for a wedge issue now?

(What am I saying, it's always something!)

Well, from what I read over @ that Faux Christian station aka FOX NOISE they are worried about the insurance companies; and of course, God and women's uteri.

To Libs like Amy, Obama was correct yesterday, is correct today, and will be correct tomorrow, even though Obama will have changed his position each time. The infatuation the "Amy's" of the world have for this loser hold no bounds.

This was the "Nothing to see here!" issue that the nut job libs said was no issue all week. They have no idea how wrong they are.

The "wedge issue" you speak of Amy is still there for all to see. People see Obama and the lengths he's willing to go to fulfill his radical agenda. That won't be forgotten. It is always something with Obama.

Now off to your burning coals dear.

Bob-1887910

Obama can do no wrong to Amy...

Make that 2 of us along with millions of other people. Unlike the PUNDITS and crazies in the FOX NATION when he does make a mistake he has the intelligence to correct it. The pundits and GOP candydidates are an epic fail still repeating the mistakes of Bush.

Yesterday his position was a matter of principle, his refusal to compromise a tribute to his leadership.

Today, he caves, and Amy still spits out the daily talking point

Booby trap,

Are you such a moonbat you cannot tell the difference between cave and compromise?

You guys seriously crack me up with the "burning coals" obsession. You'd stand on hot coals from now till November if you thought it would somehow defeat President Obama, but you probably wouldn't even walk across the street for Romney or Gingrich or Santorum, would you?

Oh, but guess who is walking across the street to see Romney later today?

That's right.....Amy. Amy bravely goes where Spanky and JoAnna fear to tread.

Give him all our love, Ames! :)

Spanky, true, but where are you own worshippers today, you know the girls from NY and Il ?

JoAnne in PA: You'd stand on hot coals from now till November if you thought it would somehow defeat President Obama,

No, sorry JoAnne, the Right are not infatuated and in total love with their candidates as you are with yours. Hero worship appears to be a covenant of the Libbies with their politicians. Politicians to the likes of you are your gods. To the Right, they are (somewhat) useful idiots. It's neither worth the time nor the effort to walk across the street as you would do to bow down and worship these pols, we have more important things to do.

That's right.....Amy. Amy bravely goes where Spanky and JoAnna fear to tread.

JoAnne,

What is even funnier is they think they are somehow insulting Ames! lol

Although, their obsession is getting a bit creepy!

Thanks joanne for letting us give you a chuckle. As for amy walking across the street to see romney good for her. I am sure that both romney and obama have similar views. With the maine caucus being held tommorrow it is good to see she wants to see first hand on who romney is.

My girl Mickey grinds for the man until late in the day, so I expect her this afternoon.

I'm not sure about others, although I do seem to have a few 'admirers.'.

It's good to be loved.

Not 'hot coal love, though. That's just sick.

Joanne - ou kinda miss the point, but then again it's not a surprise, is it?

Sadly, Amy will always have to cross that street - that's where the government cheese is.

"To the Right, they are (somewhat) useful idiots."

Get out the ice skates in hell, people - JoAnna and I finally agree on something!

"we have more important things to do."

That's good to know. Whatever they are, make sure you spend all day doing them on November 6th. Help save America from the "(somewhat) useful idiots"!

FR libbies are a different type of mental. Go over to Daily Kos Obama's getting killed on this. There are some libbies (few and far between) out there that know when they've taken it up the keister and break ranks.

Valerie Jarrett's keister must hurt today.

Fiesty, "insulting"? To those that read your posts it is obvious on who is insulting.

AmyB at least shows an ability to make occasional observations that indicates she actually has the ability to reason and to see both sides. However, she gets distracted with her reluctance to consider that obama can make a mistake or to even consider others viewpoints.

Better luck next time sweety! xx

Let me tell ya...

The fight is not over until copays are reinstated for all contraceptives purchases.

NO MORE FREE STUFF. Why do I have to pay for some broad that can't keep her legs closed?

the Right are not infatuated and in total love with their candidates

Because your candidates suck.

O. My. God.

Really Amy?

My god, you really do not get it.

Ok then - I sure hope they don't run out of chedder. Careful though - Gov. Cheese will melt if you get it too close to those coals of yours.

Ames: Because your candidates suck.

That a girl Amy, the old KISS routine, keep it simple, stupid.

Yeah, Spanky, me, Warren Buffett and Stephen Spielberg are supporting the Democrat Party for the government cheese.

Koch Brothers support the Republican Party out of their love for the environment.

Hey,

DId that insider trading law that passed the other day extend beyond congress?

Obama's latest mortgage bailout plan netted his buddy Warren Buffett a quick...

154 Million Dollars. Ahhh....those evil millionaires and billionaire...

except Obama millionaires and billionaire they're the good ones

No, sorry JoAnne, the Right are not infatuated and in total love with their candidates as you are with yours. To the Right, they are (somewhat) useful idiots. It's neither worth the time nor the effort to walk across the street as you would do to bow down and worship these pols, we have more important things to do.

If you are referring to President Obama, then yes, I have no problem admitting that I greatly admire the man. Barack Obama is an admirable human being. He is intelligent, wise, even-tempered, and completely dedicated to this country and its people. He is a shining example of the best and the brightest this country can produce.

I agree with you that the current crop of GOP nominee wannabes are idiots.

What are the 'more important things' that you have to do, and why are you wasting your precious time here?

Hero worship appears to be a covenant of the Libbies with their politicians. Politicians to the likes of you are your gods.

Well, except for Ronald Reagan, right? The conservative Saint Ronnie! Mustn't forget about him!

Nothing. But the religious right will claim victory anyway, and they will call it a flip-flop.

They don't understand the concept of compromise. A simple re-wording makes everyone happy, and they think they've actually won something.

Will be interesting to see if the Church can agree to that. Because it strikes me as just gaming with words, like you'd expect from a Groucho Marx line. But then again, the Church may be willing at this point to accept any compromise. (I tend to think this battle was lose-lose for everybody).

This was exactly my take, the church affiliated employers do not have to pay for these things that Sebilius told them they will, (that is a back off) but, the insurance plan the church affiliated employer offers will have to offer it for free anyway.

Nothing has changed except who pays.

But there is one thing for sure, an administration appointee has created an issue where there wasn't one before that has divided a constituency that the president was counting on.

Either way he goes he loses, neither side will be happy with the result of this, yep, it appears to be twisting things to try and snatch a victory out of the jaws of defeat.

The end result is, does the president really have control of his government appointees, or, are they trying to force the president to act on the liberal agenda by forcing him into a corner?

Interesting.

That is it in a nutshell, Paul. Nothing has changed. No one was promoting forced contraception on the Holy Ones.

The conservatives look like fools.

Indeed, NOTHING has changed.

Egilman - BloombergTV headlined a report that romney would allow his aides to address the super pacs. I foresee the same type of fallout to romney as obama will have

american,

That's the thing about politicians of today, they are always stretching the rules as far as they can. Dishonorable thieves all of the mainstream thugs who call themselves "Honorable" politicians, there ain't no such critter.

One of the things that sickens me the most when the people finally get one who IS honorable, they call him crazy and unelectable.

Makes one really think about the education and moral levels the people in this country have sunk to... Doesn't it?

Yeah, unfortunately. As they say, there's no such thing as a free lunch... and now apparently a free nooner, either.

Exactly, american!Those conservatives and their "keep government out of our lives and out of our pockets" have done it to us--AGAIN.

ohhhh kaybee, I made no distinction between L or R, Why do you?

I make a distinction because there is a distinction.

Thanks to the religious conservatives getting their panties all wedged up because someone might be trampling on their religious freedom to follow their Pope like a herd of sheep, we will all have to pay higher insurance premiums to cover the cost of their birth control.

Do they not see the irony here?

kaybeetoys,

what your not getting, is NOTHING has changed, you will not be paying any more than you were before. The church doesn't have to pay, they didn't before. The patients don't have to pay, they didn't in the first place because the insurance companies had complied with the law.

This was a campaign stunt to rile up the base, that's all it was, but from the reactions from many many democrats fighting for their congressional life, this couldn't have come at a worse time for democrats.

I think you've overstated it Egilman. It was indeed a campaign stunt to rile up the base, but in the end the conservatives look like fools, dancing around an issue that didn't exist.

It's the Repubs who look desperate. Economic indicators are pointing in a positive direction, so the conservatives used a social issue to divert attention away from that good news...mustn't have any good economic news!

Social issues are not going to win it for the Repubs in November. Especially not an issue like contraception, which 98% of American women of childbearing age use at some point in their lives.

Nice try. Better luck next time.

kaybeetoys,

I don't think I've overstated it, in fact I've understated it.

I debated if I was going to respond to your claim that the republicans look like fools. That is conservatives that are using social issues to deflect attention away from anything.

Why don't we start with the "War"

Sebelius' War Lands Her in Court

This really started two years ago but read the above article, you will find,

President Obama’s Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has been investigating the Catholic college for more than two years for its refusal to pay for contraceptives and abortions.

WE now go to here,

The HHS Contraception Mandate vs. the Religious Freedom Restoration Act

Even after the SCOTUS ruled against Obama in the Tabor case, we get this,

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius last week renewed her declared "war" against the Catholic church in America and against faithful Catholics (as well as against other religious organizations and believers who share the Catholic opposition to contraceptives and/or abortifacients).

You see a trend here,

The Obama administration starting a war against Faith based medical facilities? Blaming the Republicans for this direct assault on the constitution by the president and his administrators is an outright falsehood.

It is not a social issue that the republicans raised, it is a constitutional issue, one that has been cooking for over two years, raised and then backed off from by the administration, for the administration and the backlash will be at the administration.

Just one last point,

154 Congressmen Send Letter to HHS Protesting HHS Contraception Mandate

here you will find,

The congressmen demanded that Sebelius halt the regulation and provide a full accounting of whether HHS took the opposition of religious groups into consideration.

Even the congress thought is was a constitutional issue.

You can spin it any way you want to take responsibility off the democrat plate, but in reality all such spin is a falsehood also.

Nice try. Better luck next time.

ROFL...

I' ve just waited for the usual band of moonbats to come stomping in to say something like the President is right to compromise, after spamming for days how the President was right not to compromise..

What a bunch of zombies you are .

After you're different how bob?

It wasn't a compromise, it was "accommodation". Other words to use are backpedaled, caved, folded, flipped, flopped.

John, thanks for reminding us on what synonyms are.

Noid, I covered told you so up above.

If for no other reason than to let those who called me names and told me this would never happen know that maybe they should think twice before going to the Junior High tactics.

They will never thank President Obama. That would be like admitting that their unrelenting negativity toward him might not be right.

These are good Christian people we're talking about.

LOL! Obama had the "hope and change" thingy. We have all seen how effectively he delivered on that.

Just love how obama presented such a balanced approach to policy..."I will veto any legislation I don't agree with". Talk about "my way or the highway", right paulS?

Paul, you think democrats are defferent? If so you are 100% naive.

"that hope and change thingy?" ... seriously, you're quoting Sarah Palin??? Why not quote a conservative woman who can make an intelligent argument ... I'm sure there's one or two out there.

I'm sure there's one or two out there.

At least we know where one bigot is.

Ursula - I like the kiss principle, would you have understood it any better if I had dropped the word "thingy"

BTW - did a quick search on that quote and have yet to see it attributted to palin.

http://washingtonindependent.com/75992/palin-speaks

you're right, american, she actually said, "hopey-changey thing."

Just love how obama presented such a balanced approach to policy..."I will veto any legislation I don't agree with". Talk about "my way or the highway", right paulS?

Isn't that pretty much a president's prerogative? Otherwise, why give the president the veto power? Just let Congress (AKA, the mob) dominate policy? This is the point of having separation of powers, so that all sides can come to a reasonable accommodation.

BTW: Barack Obama has only had two vetoes in his 1st 3 years in office, both with the 11th Congress, which was run by Democrats. However George W Bush vetoed 12bills, of which only 1 was in his 1st six years when Republicans control (or the Senate was tied). Thus, Obama was more willing to stand up to his own part than GWB was his.

BTW, part 2: Reagan had 78 vetoes over the eight years of his run. Bush Jr. had 44 in his 4 years. Clinton: 37 over eight years. Vetoes are a presidential power, used by both sides. To fail to use them or even use them as a bargaining tool, would be irresponsible of the president.

Micheal, You miss the point.

Presidential vetoes are made AFTER legislation has passed both the house and senate.

Obama is using it premptively as a threat before congress even submits legislation to him. That is "my way or the highway".

Big difference...

Can you tell me whats changed? Will women who work for Catholic organizations get access to free contraceptives or not? Just answer the question and then tell me who folded.

I think both sides got what they wanted.

That's compromise.

You'd think the Republicans would support the "marketplace economics" that means that Catholic institutions are already violating their own teachings, without the new policy, in order to get good employees.

What did you want the Church to do, abandon thier core beliefs?

Of course you do, because you are better, smarter, and faster, and your position is the only correct one, right?

Obama cares enough to help pay for women to have sex? Wait, that didn't sound right. But the Church should care more... then maybe it would pick up the tab for sex?

There seems to be a lot of rhetorical thin ice around here. Maybe we should just stop all pretenses, and create a Department of Sex that runs all sorts of new entitlement programs? Free condoms, free morning after pills for when you forget to use the condoms, free brothels (after all, not everyone is attractive enough to get sex on his or her own, and that's just not fair), free porno theaters (some prefer sex on their own, and we can't discriminate against them)...

In fact, we ought to classify inability to get laid as a disability, and then it would open up all sorts of new and interesting political battles.

What did you want the Church to do, abandon thier core beliefs?

So, I take it that care for the health and safety of their employees is not among their core beliefs.

Mike, nice straw man, got another? Contraception is available everywhere, they are not doing anything to limit womens choices

...they are not doing anything to limit womens choices

Money, ScoM, money. Contraceptives cost money. Without money, i.e. insurance, you have no choices.

The liberal crew disappeared for hours...they were huddling up, awaiting their marching orders and talking points, since they are too dumb to articulate on their own

Hey thetotas how are you doing, I hope all is well.

No kidding, Ursula, its like molasses flowing up hill waiting for all the stuff to load after each comment you make. I like the avatars but that also slows it down.

Advertisement is the reason you are not paying to comment on this blog.

Big Red, really? Didn't I just say that I recognized advertising supported this business? I'd just like to see it as a less-monopolizing feature!

Agreed Ursula - the longest load time has been almost 10 minutes. Apparently FR staff never have to deal with how obnoxious the issue is.

the longest load time has been almost 10 minutes

Are you on dialup? Either that you you need to find another service provider.

It is slow, but that points to more serious problems.

mattpfl, have to disagree on this. Only the wording changed. Most of the institutions already provide contraceptive coverage because without it, they can't hire enough people. If the change in wording makes the Catholic Church happy by allowing them to continue their smoke and mirrors approach on this, I say no harm, no foul.

The Cathoilic CHurch is a force of evil? You are a bigot.

The Cathoilic CHurch is a force of evil? You are a bigot.

You might ask those alter boys who were sodomized & preyed upon by those they were taught to trust what they think!

I see the chief bigot has chimed in. In case you are ignorant of the facts, and I am sure you are based on past posts, the rate of crime in the church is no different than the general population BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL HUMANS!

Also, a child molesters main tool is what makes them so hard to detect, they are manipulative and clever because of their sick motivations and learn to gain trust from their victims and everyone else. They are far harder to detect than you must think.

Nothing that happened was wanted or tolerated, but it was not handeled well either due to tha lack of ability to deal with such issues for whatever reason and the sheer size and geography of the Church and its 1.1 billion memebers.

Also, a child molesters main tool is what makes them so hard to detect, they are manipulative and clever because of their sick motivations and learn to gain trust from their victims and everyone else

Speaking from experience... eh?

After that rant you have the balls to call me a bigot? lmao!

Shelling out 10's of miilions of dollar to cover up raping little boys = Good

Paying for women's health care = bad!

Go back to the cesspool you crawled out of... you're smelling the place up!

Speaking from experience... eh?

Yes I am, my wife was molested for years as a child and her stepfather never saw one day in jail and will not report his address to the state. Every time we inform the authorities, he moves. Guess what, he's not Catholic.

And yes, you are very much so a bigot, or you would have the capability to understand what I am saying and not disagree simply because I am not a liberal or a protestant.

Nothing I posted is not true, every post I have ever seen from you is dripping with bigotry and hate for those that do not agree with you..

every post I have ever seen from you is dripping with bigotry and hate for those that do not agree with you

Pssst Scooter - scroll back up a couple of comments little buddy...

It was YOU who came charging in calling anyone who doesn't defend the Catholic Church a bigot, pal!

Next time think before sticking your foot in your mouth! K?

Oh, and, one more thing? Who is physically forcing you to read what I write?

There is a great feature called 'ignore author' you might feel a little better if you acquainted yourself with it!

It was YOU who came charging in calling anyone who doesn't defend the Catholic Church a bigot, pal!

That is your miconception, which is no surprise. A bigot is a bigot. I completely understand what they were trying to accomplish and have no problem with it. They simply did not take the time to consider the repercussions and account for them when trying to get the bill passed.

My problem is not with that, it is with people that hate based on others core beliefs, like you.

ScoMata1964 says: "the rate of crime in the church is no different than the general population BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL HUMANS!"

So, Priests have no higher sense of responsibility than the general population? Nothing against Catholics or any religion, but why would anyone bother going unless they believe that the church/Priests are indeed on a higher moral and religious ground.

Heck, folks might as well seek guidance from well, just anywhere, from anybody......

So, Priests have no higher sense of responsibility than the general population?

Good point Chilled!

How about the Bishops & Cardinals who allowed it to continue?

A bigot is a bigot

BWAAAAK!

Scooter want a 'bigot'?

Seriously, is someone paying you each time you play the 'bigot' card?

Chilled, dont put words in my mouth, molesters seek refuge in the church out of guilt, false hope of change, and other bogus and evil reasons. These people are such a small minority of the 400,000 priests worldwide it is simply ignorant and small minded to include all of them in a small minority of criminals as you do.

The main problem the Church has is detecting them before its too late, which is the same problem we have in the public schools, scouts, etc.

Chilled, actually that's an interesting question. It's one I've seen play out in the Church as an intramural issue, even among clergy.

Basically, priests will tell you they are just as human as you and I. I do believe most, because of their heightened focus on religious issues, try harder to avoid some temptations - and as a result of that effort, are more successful than the average person. But they go to confession, more than typical lay Catholics, in fact.

Remember in the Gospel (whether you choose to believe those books or not) that Jesus left the building of his Church on the foundation of one guy, who Jesus himself predicted would reject him three times... Human flaws are definitely recognized as a central issue in the Catholic Church.

Redhead, not a card, but a correct observation.

The Cathoilic CHurch is a force of evil? You are a bigot.

Human trafficking of babies isn't a force of evil? Ah, I guess I missed it outlined in the 10 commandments.

I think another thing you miss Chilled is that child molester become priest so they will have access to victims, not to serve God. The vast majority of Priests do serve God.

The Catholic Church provides 25% of the health care and education in the US and is the largest charity organization in the world. The Church has stopped wars, fed the hungry, and helped the poor the sick and those that cant take care of themselves far more than any other organization in the world. The Church provides food pantrys, soup kitchens, and homeless shelters in every city in this country. They will even help you with your bills if you are in real trouble and you do not have to be Catholic to receive that help.

While the molerstations are horrible, when the good the Church does is completely ignored, it points to an agenda.

Human trafficking of babies isn't a force of evil? Ah, I guess I missed it outlined in the 10 commandments.

So all 1.1 billion Catholics traffic in humans? Are you really that obtuse?

ScoMata1964 says: "the rate of crime in the church is no different than the general population BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL HUMANS!"

ScoMatas' post, seems to give the church a pass since (his post says it all). Church v general population?

Guess there is no reason to expect more from religious leaders! They're just like everybody else?

Putting more words in my mouth Chilled? I guess its easier that way huh?

Where do I give the Church a "pass". My own wife was molested, if I could I would personlly put abullet in every damn one of them, most of which are NOT Catholics by the way.

By your logic you are giving a pass to protestant moilesters!

ScoMata1964.......

Your Quote.....The Catholic Church provides 25% of the health care and education in the US and is the largest charity organization in the world. The Church has stopped wars, fed the hungry, and helped the poor the sick and those that cant take care of themselves far more than any other organization in the world. The Church provides food pantrys, soup kitchens, and homeless shelters in every city in this country. They will even help you with your bills if you are in real trouble and you do not have to be Catholic to receive that help......EndQuote

Go to this page and search for the word "charity".

http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/posters2.htm

Have you ever heard the following?

Quote.....So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.......EndQuote

Do you know who spoke those words? Do you know what they mean?

The days when folks on your side claimed moral superiority (unchallenged) are O-V-E-R .......Even Satan can CLAIM to be Christian. Save your propaganda for those who don't know better.

ScoMata1964 wrote:

I think another thing you miss Chilled is that child molester become priest so they will have access to victims, not to serve God. The vast majority of Priests do serve God.

Me:

So why did the church move these guys around instead of prosecuting them as soon as they were found out?

Heck, folks might as well seek guidance from well, just anywhere, from anybody......#13.9 - Fri Feb.10

Martin Luther figured this out quite a few years ago. It led to the Protestant Reformation.

Trying to justify centuries of evil deeds done by the Catholic church by saying they give to charity is like saying Jerry Sandusky should be let off the hook because he started a children's charity.

The problem with priests is a fundamental issue: they are not allowed to have adult sexual relationships and thus the institution attracts a large number of perverted men. It is a sanctioned hiding place for perverts and has been since the Middle Ages.

Who wants to become a priest these days? That's a thorny issue for the church.

Sorry if the reality bites, but I refuse to bow to the sacred cows covered in their own dung.

Pat, that requires some forward thinking...just ain't gonna happen when a group jumps on an issue just because it's a way to oppose anything the president says.

Who said that women were being denied the choice of contraception? Thanks for trying to convince us all on women being stupid, I'm not buying that, although you both make a strong case for it.

Ursula, I guess the fact that contraception, abortion assistance,etc are against Catholics core beliefs has nothing to do with it, how convenient and bigoted.

ScoMata1964, does your vocabulary go beyond "bigot?" You've used that word in every post...

That's because the majority of posts here are dripping in bigotry intolerance, ignorance, and hate.

Contraception should be part of comprehensive coverage just like medicines and treatments for other health related issues. Every woman should be able to get it. And I do think this has to do with controlling women and their bodies. I don't tell anybody they can't cover blood pressure meds or diabetes meds, not to mention erectile dysfunction meds. It IS a fricken war on women, not religion.

Dan, plenty of outrage out there on molestation. Just remember FR is a political blog not a blog on sin, unless one is a liberal progressive.

Yeah right, liberal progressives have cornered the market on sin. Get serious.

Besides grown men molesting boys don't need contraceptives now do they.

forrest, a course in reading comprehension would be in order for you, you already have the strawman argument pretty well mastered.

Not from the Church it wasn't. Just quietly moved molesters around parish to parish. Everyone but brain dead Rethugs knows it's true.

Dan, it's beyond explanation. Cardinals and bishops shuffling the guilty to another parish where more children were abused is inexcusable and yet when it comes to women and birth control, oh the public outrage.

american, they covered it up for decades. The outcry only came after their little secret coverup was revealed by a few brave boys and young men who opened the floodgates and the full scope of the abuse came to light.

What does our legal system do with molesters?
thats right, they release them and force them to move around and inform people they are there which they tend not to do.

Better?

Dan---what gets me is the devotion to a practice of forbidding contraception that the vast majority of their own members disregard, often with the approval of their local priest.

My reading comprehension is fine, as a matter of fact I can pick up on what is implied as well as what is explicitly stated.

It is not a straw-man argument to point out that the Catholic church denies woman any positions of real authority, but firmly decides policy in which they suffer the consequences.

---what gets me is the devotion to a practice of forbidding contraception that the vast majority of their own members disregard, often with the approval of their local priest.

Total BS. By your flawed logic we should just have no core beliefs because humans are imperfect. Priest do not give "approval" to use contraception, they forgive women who do because they understand that sometimes doing the right thing philosophically is not a luxury many can afford.

You do understand its a matter of philosophy and no one in the church expect Catholics to be perfect right?

The RCC can believe whatever it wants, but they should not be able to deny women contraception coverage. This is AGAINST WOMEN, unless men can suddenly get pregnant.

ScoMara1964:

Excuse me but priest do not have the "authority" to forgive women.

That is would be in the purview of the Most High God.

Just askin'

Twenty-eight states require insurance coverage of birth control. Of those, 20 have exemptions for religious employers and insurers. Eight states have no exemption – so Catholic employers in Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Montana, New Hampshire, Texas, Vermont, Virginia and Wisconsin must provide contraception coverage.

If the outrage on the right is genuine and the Bishops are concerned about religious liberty being trampled on by the Obama administration then I hope to see mass demonstrations on the State Houses of these eight states no later than 8:00 am Saturday morning, February 11, 2012.

By the way, the demonstrators must bring giant copies of the edict handed down by Barack Obama declaring these mandates since he obviously orchestrated those mandates prior to the Affordable Care Act, circa 2010.

Otherwise, these hypocritical fake Catholics need to go sit down or go help some poor person who has too many kids to feed.

Now there . Also.Too.

Obama/Biden 2012-

Great Idea - make sure you do so in the name of CPAC!

I'll be right back! ;o)

Cool, more $$$ to reach obama and companies goal of a $ billion dollar war chest

Looks like raising $750 million in 2008 vs $400 million by Mccain won't be enough this go around.

Good for you. I signed on this year for the automatic monthly donation.

American numbers....that's the whole point!

Yes, Let's support our President Obama. Just think we have 5 more years.

But pat, my point was to make that point to fiesty, she wants to discredit the thought that obama and company has that goal.

Let him go for it. Superbowl commercials have become a standard for must see TV. Will this falls political commercials set the same standard in politics?

Excellent idea, Pat. I'll donate $ for President Obama today!

Jody--I was going to do the monthly automatic donation but I wait each month to see what they RWNJs do to tick me off and I make a donation for that issue.

@Steeler-- Why do they have to be RWNJ's? Would you not agree there are plenty of LWNJ's too? Why should what Republicans say at a Republican event tick you off? Don't watch it.

In the real world this is a win-win, and in reality, almost no one in the general public gave a crap about this, but in the world of politics and political blogging in particular, it's spin spin spin!

1.1 billion Catholics sinned or a certain number of Priests that is the same percentage as the general population with regard to molesters? Way to bigot up the thread even more.

The above was in answer to "American- 2150576"

Small companies will stop hiring women because of higher costs associated with providing them with free (we all know it's not free, right?

Or they may stop hiring men or women because they have high blood pressure, or diabetes, cancer.....You see where this is going. I don't give a damn if some people or institutions don't like contraception. A woman should have the same right to get it as others do THEIR meds that are covered. Anything less is WRONG.

Employers would rather have their female employees out on maternity leave? That argument doesn't fly.

This is free lib50. Not co pay anymore. Many many companies have employee policies that do cover birth control prescriptions with a co pay. So now, I want my blood pressure and cholesterol meds covered for free. Mine could be life or death. While some women should shy away from getting pregnant due to complications, this is more a choice of doing what they want, when they want, and not have any consequences and it costs them less than it would. They will still see a rise in premiums but it will be split between all of the rest of us who have no use for it. Get it? This is just a small example of redistribution of wealth. The beginning of this administrations sneaking in the changes a little at a time until we cannot rescind them when we wake up.

You can't discriminate against someone, regardless of cost. You can't refuse to hire a handicapped person because you would then have to put in a handiaccessible ramp. You can't refuse to hire a woman because she might get pregnant and need vacation.

It's an amazing world out there, isn't it?

the GOP lies, hatred, and fear that's being dumped down your throat is not healthy

Pot or kettle?

Which are you?

I would say there are quite a few pots and kettles on this blog everyday on both sides.

K2mn - you have it backwards. One can respect the office, but still not respect the man. Another way to looks at it is one can respect the man but not his policies.

K2mn

I'll go one step further,

I find it disturbing that people are so harsh in their criticism against we who happen to approve of and love President Obama

You need to look no further than your peoples own scathing criticisms of the opposition, I have read statements from your people to the effect that all republicans should be killed! And you are disturbed?

Then we get to this...

I stand tall and proud as I continue to support and love President Obama. And for those who disagree, that's OK, but know and remember that the GOP lies, hatred, and fear that's being dumped down your throat is not healthy, nor productive, and is potentially an ugly cancer affecting your own happiness.

You ask a relatively non-attacking sensible question about why everyone seems to hate democrats, and then go on to state your position of hate yourself?

You go ahead and idolize him all you want, to me and most americans, he is just another political hack who just happens to hold the office. Doesn't matter who we the people elect, we always seem to get just another political hack that lied to us to get the job. The only honest man in this campaign is denounced as a lunatic...

I have always respected the office of the President, I just haven't found a single man in that office I can respect since 1988.

So should insurance companies not cover cancer meds or treatment? How about high blood pressure meds or diabetes meds? Why are women singled out for something as basic as contraception?

Contraception is not (in most cases) a life or death situation nor a need. If it is, then there are other methods to insure that fertilization doesn't take place (tied tubes etc.).

What all of you are failing to see is that by mandating that women be given free contraception we are ALL going to pay for it. They can't just soak up the cost of the unconstitutional mandate that something be provided on their dime. We will all see premiums increase and for those of you touters of "the evil insurance companies got theirs he he he" this mandate gave them just the tools to do so.

Enjoy the ride. Your messiah has the controls.

TTTH:

Contraception is not (in most cases) a life or death situation nor a need.

If that's true, then why the hell are the Catholic bishops so excited?

Oh. That's right. It IS about life. Not the mother's life. Not even the fetus' life. It's about the egg/sperm life.

We will all see premiums increase and for those of you touters of "the evil insurance companies got theirs he he he) this mandate gave them just the tools to do so.

Trust me. The costs you fear are far less than the costs of limiting access to birth control.

If that's true, then why the hell are the Catholic bishops so excited?

You think maybe they feel they won one? They did. Their institutions are not subject to it now and they don't have to give the option. What don't you understand about that. They won. The rest of us will pay while their employees get the benefit. The unconstitutional mandate should not and I hope will not stand. Now get back to your scooter chair and find that remote.

Trust me. The costs you fear are far less than the costs of limiting access to birth control.

We'll see when all of you libs come out in a year or so to scream when the insurance companies up their profits to maybe 6.5% from 6.

talk to the hand, exactly