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If no candidate has enough delegates for the Republican nomination, and the first few ballots are "deadlocked" what are the chances that an "alternative like Jeb Bush is drafted at the convention...

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#1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:03 AM EST

XOX

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#1.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:21 AM EST

It is clear that the DNC has gotten out the "Brokered Convention" Memo to it's minions.

Other than trying to 'Create" a situation that does not exist, why is the left trying so very hard, this early in the Primaries to insist that the GOP will require a "Brokered" Convention?

Will MSNBC - FR Be complicit in joining in this directive from the DNC powers that be to continue the illusion that this primary season is any different than 2008?

Will MSNBC - FR, throw away their "ethics" and choose to speculate on something that has very little chance of happening only to bouy the minions here that tow the DNC Company?

Remember when Journalists reported the news instead of making it up?

First it was the pushing of a third party candidate. When it became clear that was not going to happen this "Brokered Convention" nonsense started.

With that said, It would not surprise me in the least ot see the FR, errrr, journalists, jump in on this. See, the get the memo's too.

Wonder what's next?

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#1.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:38 AM EST

What time on Friday will kathleen sebelius reversed the decision to have catholic organizations violate 2000 year old tenets of their faith?

The Obama administration can't expect a second term after declaring war on the jews and now declaring war on catholicism can they?

Sorry that's two questions. Pick either or.

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#1.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:49 AM EST

How comfortable is MSNBC with being a free SuperPac for the Obama re-election campaign?

Shouldn't your organization be more interested in reporting news, rather than creating it in support for Obama?

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#1.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:55 AM EST

White Collar Auto - I don't know whether or not the DNC is pushing that as a talking point, but if so, I'd like to think they got it from me :)

Rob - since we're getting into religion questions, may I suggest: is magic underwear available with batman and bart simpson patterns, or does everyone have to have the masonic symbols?

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#1.5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:55 AM EST

WCA, your memory is short. The same "brokered convention" discussion took place during the Obama/Clinton campaigns. It is logical that because what is happening in the GOP primary somewhat mirrors (except democrats actually liked both candidates) the one in 2008, the topic will be discussed.

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#1.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:30 PM EST

we talk about a brokered convention because it looks more and more like a real possibility,... and i must say,.... as secretary for my county level GOP,.... we're talking about it....... hell,..... we're praying for it,.... more fun than professional wrestling and we wont have to PPV it!

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#1.7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:52 PM EST

Now, that the right wing political activist Justices on the Supreme Court have upheld the voter suppression ID law, and the Pope sitting in Rome running America with his religious ideology how will this affect election?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24351798/ns/politics/t/supreme-court-upholds-voter-id-law/#.TzIpeeR7SSp

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#1.8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:03 PM EST

If the Catholic Church can use it's religious philosophy to shove down the throats of the American people as a political issue, why shouldn't the Catholic Church lose it's tax exempt status?

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#1.9 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:10 PM EST

Will the folks with the cash in the GOP allow someone like Santorum to win the nomination knowing he will absolutely lose the general election? What can they do to stop it?

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#1.10 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:20 PM EST

They'll spend that cash on negative advertising against Santorum, if they feel the need. Negative advertising works. If it didn't, Newt would be the frontrunner now.

It's easy. Reagan's kid watched the attacks on Gingrich and said those ads could have made his dad not look like a "Reagan conservative."

    #1.11 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:37 PM EST

    That's a good theory Paul, except that I am sure Romney spent a lot more money in all three of those states. There was low voter turnout as well. That favors radical, conservative candidates like Santorum. Perhaps Romney will go all negative all the time, which will hurt the party in general.

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    #1.12 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:43 PM EST

    I don't think Santorum has been hit hard yet. I saw a reference earlier (maybe Monday?) that Romney was starting to focus on Santorum, but haven't heard of any ads.

    The really bad ones will come from a PAC, and be augmented with establishment activities. If Santorum is seen as a threat, it's coming. Not sure what angle they'll take - maybe the pork king thing. Maybe they've got something else in mind. Who saw an effective "Gingrich isn't conservative" campaign coming?

    Good point on hurting themselves. I'd guess the call at this point is to give Romney until Michigan to make last night look like an outlier, and if he can't do it where he ought to have some home field advantage, then the destroy Santorum effort starts.

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    #1.13 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:09 PM EST

    Obama flip flops yet again.... the year is getting very exciting!

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    #1.14 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:46 PM EST

    Granted that a front runner was known by this date in previous primaries, but technically it is still early. Santorum is likely the new flavor of the month, and will now be vetted. Depending on all the pros and cons voters see by the end of this process, particularly electability (polls versus President Obama), there will be a final front runner -- still projected to be Romney.

    As others have already posted, the right-wing (establishment, Evangelical, Tea Party, Ron Paul Libertarians) will hold their noses and vote AGAINST President Obama. However, there is a possibility of a lower turn-out due to the enthusiasm gap -- And YES there is an enthusiasm gap much greater now than for McCain/Palin and previous nominees.

    Of course the key is the moderate/swing Independent voters, and changing demographics such as the growing Latino vote etc. that will play an important part, along with liberals who are enthusiastic (but less reliable just the same--hopefully the Occupy movement will help get young voters out again).

    Romney ran to the Right of McCain, and now Santorum is running to the Right of Romney. This shows how the Republican Party keeps moving further to the Right, to a point so extreme they cannot win a general election. A case in point is all candidates support "Personhood," which couldn't even pass in MO (as well as pledges to Norquist, backing the Paul Ryan plan to privatize Medicare, etc.).

    Not to mention this time candidates are too flawed or so weak -- but Republicans selecting someone who is conservative enough (for them) out of principle will cause them to lose--and rightfully so. The POTUS must represent all of America, not just the GOP/TP base.

    What is encouraging about the Santorum surge are the issues of Super PAC money and negative campaigning. It shows Romney can't buy love with money, and must make a good case of why voters should vote FOR him--a very good sign, because his personal desire to be POTUS isn't a compelling reason.

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    #1.15 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:54 PM EST

    No Eva, that's your guy Romney!

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    #1.16 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:54 PM EST

    good question dangerfield, my take would be if no other GOP stepped up to the plate by now, they are either waiting for 2016 or a VP nod to break any deadlock.

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    #1.17 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 5:38 PM EST
    Reply

    What does a brokered convention look like?

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    Reply#2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:03 AM EST

    Amy B. Portland, ME

    What does a brokered convention look like?

    LOL, that's a good one.

    I'd say Ron Paul looking spooky while his cult members cheer on his warped ideas.

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    #2.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:25 AM EST

    Mayhem and with a mouthful of nails too!!!

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    #2.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:30 PM EST

    Mayhem and with a mouthful of nails too!!!

    GBM - you forgot to add with a dog tied on the roof.

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    #2.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:55 PM EST

    Thanks to Mark & Domenico for taking our questions. Along those lines---when was the last brokered Republican convention? Would they hand out Nicorette since there are no longer any smoke-filled rooms?

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    #2.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:07 PM EST
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    The whack job conservatives are going to dominate the Republican Party at their peril..1964 all over again?..What do you think FR.

    Republicans believe this President is another Jimmy Carter, think again! They forget that Ted Kennedy split the party and weakened Carter for the general. Just sayin!

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    Reply#3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:04 AM EST

    To young to care about goldwater and carter was the democratic nominee in 1980, not kennedy.

    Like carter, obama still has to run on his record, in particular his economic record, although his foriegn policy may bite his ass as well. His whining about "I deserve a second term" could very well be an albatross around his neck. Who ever thought that a POTUS would be a begger?

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    #3.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 5:49 PM EST
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    Mark & Domenico,

    My question is pretty simple - In all your years of covering politics, have you ever seen anything quite like what's transpiring this year?

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    Reply#4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:05 AM EST

    Beat me to that question. But I have some pretty vivd memories of the '68 convention and the usually unflappable " Uncle Walt" exclaiming on air "Looks like a bunch of thugs down there." Yes, I would like some seasoned reporters answer that question,

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    #4.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:23 PM EST

    Feisty, good one.

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    #4.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:27 PM EST

    Jody, up above you state that this primary "Mirrors" 2008. Now you think asking if they have ever seen anything like it is a good question.

    So which is it?

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    #4.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:48 PM EST

    WCA, it's both; above we were talking about a brokered convention and why that is being discussed. What Feisty is asking is not about a brokered convention but rather if FR has ever seen anything like the up/down, first one then the other candidate, and none of them seem to reflect what the GOP wants nationwide.

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    #4.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:44 PM EST

    to Feisty: Of course not, you dodo. This year we clean out the White House and get rid of Mickey Mouse. It's a huge job, and one that frightens the big-wigs in the Republican Party. (What if we lose?) So there never has been such a year as this in politics. My Gosh, it seems that America is alive and well after all. And Santorum is a Fresh face to most voters, which makes it all seem eery, but sowhat? Visit your therapist, Feisty, andlearn to take it all in stride. You are going to lose, and lose big, in November, so you are going to needtherapy as never before.

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    #4.5 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:12 PM EST
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    dangerfield, My question is similar. What are the rules for a brokered-convention. Can someone new be drafted by the party. Would the candidate be on every Presidential ballot in every state. Thank you

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    Reply#5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:06 AM EST

    lisa s-1749992

    Would the candidate be on every Presidential ballot in every state.

    lisa,

    I hope your question is answered since I read somewhere the state of Georgia has said President Obama cannot be on their ballot. I read about a year ago this was another strategy, in addition to voter suppression, which started in Arizona. If the RepubliCONS can have several states disallow President Obama's being on the ballot; then they will win the White House; so they think.

    Can they do that?

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    #5.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:34 AM EST

    Beverly, I did read somewhere that the state of Georgia is challenging whether President Obama can be on the ballot but I am not sure on what grounds. Maybe Mark and Domenico can answer us?

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    #5.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM EST

    Late last week, four plaintiffs, one represented by none other than Orly Taitz, in Georgia argued before a judge that President Obama was not eligible to be on the ballot. The Judge found their claim to be unsubstantiated and without merit and found in favor of President Obama, the defendant.

    The right-wingers may wish to keep President Obama off the ballot but he was on it in 2008 so they really have no justification other than their birther claims which even the most conservative judge cannot support as evidenced in the recent decision.

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    #5.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:40 PM EST

    Jody,Iowa Thank you for the information.

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    #5.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:45 PM EST

    Thanks Jody,

    I needed to hear that. Orly Taitz has a serious mental problem. She is relentless. It should be obvious to her by now her jive is not going anywhere. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of voter suppression we must really be vigilante in taking our country back from these thugs. The last thing we need is more Koch bros bought and paid judges sitting on the Supreme Court like Clarence Thomas and Antony Scaila.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24351798/ns/politics/t/supreme-court-upholds-voter-id-law/#.TzIpeeR7SSp

    Republicans: Making Lies Out of Nothing At All - YouTube


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    #5.5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:23 PM EST

    AMEN to that Bev...

    I believe we should give them back some of their own medicin - NO more double standards!

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    #5.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:30 PM EST

    Stupid, pretty sure that the phone numbers for the FBI, IRS and SEC are in your local phone book. I also understand that their exists a "whistleblower" reward as well. Go for it...

      #5.7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 5:55 PM EST

      Are Republicans shooting themselves in the foot by cozying up to the Religious sector. Do you feel they are losing more independents this way.

        #5.8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 5:55 PM EST

        un - american 2051576:

        Go for it...

        Here is a FLASH for you...

        there is already a group actively "going for it" - I (and thousands of other true American citizens) are willing to support and help.

        I believe the Koch heads are going to eventually learn that wealth will not save their soul, nor shield them from truth and justice... hope so anyway.

          #5.9 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 9:05 PM EST
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          A similar question regarding the GOP primaries. On a weekly basis would FR be willing to show how many delegates each candidate has received and the proportion of the total delegates that has already been determined.

          Also, what states will be "winner take all" states and what states will divide their delegates proportionally.

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          Reply#6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:11 AM EST

          Additionally – Of the total delegates how many are or will be uncommitted (# and %)?

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          #6.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:17 AM EST

          Ron, Dennis--more really good questions.

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          #6.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST
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          Is there any indication that any of the supposed "alternative candidates--Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, etc" are taking steps to gain the nomination if the process is thrown open to the convention delegates?

          What are the chances that this country would elect a third member of the Bush family as President?

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          Reply#7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:14 AM EST

          That would require an obvious amount of voter fraud, to allow JEB Bush to reach the White House and unseat a popular President in Barack Obama.

          What purpose would it serve to vote for JEB, when his brother's crimes are already, and still, being covered up by Obama and Eric Holder?

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          #7.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:22 AM EST

          What are the chances that this country would elect a third member of the Bush family as President?

          When 'W' becomes a great-grandfather, maybe then this country will be ready for another Bush in office!

          Until then... the bad taste will linger!

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          #7.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:27 AM EST

          I think Palin has hinted at it a few times. At least that's my read on a couple of her statements over recent weeks. But I also think she would tend to think of herself as a more obvious alternative than perhaps others might - even others from her party.

          More than likely, things like this would be done completely behind closed doors and when we're closer to the convention. That's when a backlash by party members would look more real. Right now, it just looks like different guys winning different primaries and beauty contests.

          Jeb's biggest problem is George. He'd be a pretty attractive nominee, otherwise. Christie? Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I don't think he'd play with independents nearly as well as some Republicans seem to think.

          Here's a few others, though. Colin Powell. If the Republicans could still get him, that would be game, set and match. But I'd say look at governors like Virginia's Bob McDonnell for likely alternatives, though.

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          #7.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:31 AM EST

          Paul,

          What about Mitch Daniels?

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          #7.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:35 AM EST

          Yeah, maybe. I don't know much about him, but he seems to be above the clown show designation. He had OMB before, right? If so, could play up on the budgetary experience.

          Why didn't he run? I know he was talked about as a potential candidate this time around.

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          #7.5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:44 AM EST

          Why didn't he run?

          Maybe his wife running off with her lover not once but, twice had something to do with it...?

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          #7.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:47 AM EST

          Mitch Daniels has a slight Problem with him Commiting VOTER FRAUD! He does'nt live in the Govenors Mansion, but Votes in that Precinct. Voter Fraud seems Rampant in Indiana!

          Occupy SoggyBottom!

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          #7.7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:16 PM EST

          Mitch Daniels looks ok at first glance but if you think Romney if a flip-flopper, just put Daniels under the national microscope.

          Just last week he signed the right to work bill into law while campaigning on the right for union organization, including closed shops, in past elections. And that is just the latest.

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          #7.8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:25 PM EST

          The only people wanting another Bush to run are his family and maybe some republicans in Florida. No way this country is ready for another Bush; not sure they ever will be.  Dynasties aren't popular in the USA.

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          #7.9 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:49 PM EST

          No way Mitch Daniels could play up his OMB job--he was the architect of Bush's disastrous budgets; he's the one who badly underestimated the war costs plus kept them out of the budget and off the books.

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          #7.10 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:51 PM EST

          That would require an obvious amount of voter fraud, to allow JEB Bush to reach the White House and unseat a popular President in Barack Obama.

          What purpose would it serve to vote for JEB, when his brother's crimes are already, and still, being covered up by Obama and Eric Holder?

          ___________________________________________

          Paul: I see you have fooled the shrinks at the asylum into giving you a day pass. And the first thing you do is go to the grocery store and buy some tinfoil for a new hat, and then rush to the library to post on FR.

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          #7.11 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:01 PM EST
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          Will the millions raised and spent by Super Pacs in this election year have an effect on the broader economy? If billionaires and corporations weren't funding campaigns, what would they be doing with their money? Does anyone know?

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          Reply#8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:16 AM EST

          Amy...Betcha the FR crew will be asking for a raise! MSNBC will be swimming in super pac $.

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          #8.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:21 AM EST

          That's a good question Amy.

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          #8.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:25 AM EST

          I think more discussion on obama's flip flop on the Super PACs is appropriate!

          This brazen about-face for Team Obama is a goldmine of campaign lies, contortions and epic hypocrisy. Let us count the ways.

          -- A bundle of contradictions. "Bundling" is the rustling up of aggregate contributions from friends, business associates and employees, a practice to circumvent individual donation limits that Obama has long condemned. When he announced his presidential intentions in 2007, candidate Obama decried "the cynics, the lobbyists, the special interests who've turned our government into a game only they can afford to play." He indignantly singled out "the best bundlers" who get the "greatest access" to power.

          Last week, Obama acknowledged raising at least $74 million through his team of big-time bundlers who have been showered with access, tax dollars and plum patronage positions. This elite group of Hollywood celebrities (such as open-borders actress Eva Longoria), political cronies (such as Chicago bagman Louis "The Vacuum" Susman) and politically correct businessmen (such as bankrupt Solyndra investor George Kaiser) now totals a whopping 445 gold-card members.

          -- The roar of the revolving door. In his Monday announcement, Messina bragged about how the White House has enacted "sweeping" reforms to "close the revolving door between government and lobbyists." In truth, the administration has widened the carousel and removed the brakes. The Obama-cheerleading Fishwrap of Record (The New York Times) itself identified at least 15 bundlers "involved in lobbying for Washington consulting shops or private companies."

          .... this is a repost as I thought it should go with Amy's question...

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          #8.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:57 AM EST

          Memphis......you're serious, aren't you. Oh brother! "it was a brazen aboutface" Get real. Perhaps it would suit your ideology, if he just left in the middle of the night. You sir, are seriously delusional. there is no way, Team Obama was ever going to give the right an inch of an advantage in this campaign. These guys are the best and will leave your candidate in the dust especially on a level playing field.

          No, we will not roll over for you and others on the right.

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          #8.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:41 PM EST

          Memphis, honestly, you provide the typical twisted logic from the right wingers. The "Gods must be crazy".

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          #8.5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST

          Amy, that money goes into the private sector to create jobs for advertisers, radio/TV stations, printers all sorts of people. Someone has to help write, produce, market and distribute all the ads.

          If anything, the influx of money into each state for the GE campaigns should help all the local economies. Probably not a whole lot, but directionally it has to be a positive.

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          #8.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST

          If billionaires and corporations weren't funding campaigns, what would they be doing with their money? Does anyone know?

          ___________________________________________________

          Amy, you're not fooling anyone by pretending you don't already know the answer:

          Sitting like kings in their counting houses, counting out their money, all the while laughing maniacally at the plight of the 99%.

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          #8.7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:34 PM EST

          Sitting like kings in their counting houses, counting out their money, all the while laughing maniacally at the plight of the 99%.

          Dang Joe, I knew you would come around eventually...

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          #8.8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:59 PM EST

          "it was a brazen aboutface" Get real

          GB Momma: Obama made it a principle platform issue during his 2008 campaign! "Brazen" is too soft of term in my opinion! I think his handlers are getting a little nervous!

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          #8.9 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:14 PM EST

          Memphis, honestly, you provide the typical twisted logic from the right wingers. The "Gods must be crazy".

          Well if you don't like Memphis logic what about Obama's logic and his own words.

          UPDATE: An Obama campaign official tells Politico that Ron Klein is “no longer associated with the campaign” and never raised any money after registering as a lobbyist. The campaign does not intend to return the cash.

          Former Rep. Ron Klein (D-Fla.) is an active campaign bundler for President Obama, having raised between $200,000 and $500,000, according to campaign records.

          He is also a registered federal lobbyist.

          The revelation poses a challenge for President Obama, who has banned registered lobbyists from personally contributing or bundling donations to his campaign. The president even touted these self-imposed restrictions in a Dec. 28, 2011, fundraising e-mail, writing: “We don’t take a dime from D.C. lobbyists or special-interest PACs—never have and never will.”

          That email was sent days before Klein filed his paper work to become a “D.C. lobbyist.”

          Klein, a two-term congressman, registered to become a lobbyist for Spirit Airlines, Inc., on Jan. 2, 2012, according to the Senate Office of Public Records—exactly one year after leaving office in 2011 after losing to Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) in the 2010 midterms. Federal law requires at least a one-year waiting period between leaving office and registering as a lobbyist.

          When Klein joined the lobbying law firm Holland & Knight LLP as an adviser on regulatory issues, he told Politico he had not ruled out lobbying in the future. As a former corporate lawyer, he was a natural fit for the job.

          The news comes on the heels of the administration’s newfound embrace of Super PACs, third-party groups capable of raising large amounts of money from wealthy corporations and individuals, but which do not have to disclose their donors. Obama had previously expressed disdain for such groups, calling them “a threat to our democracy.”

          The president’s reversal on Super PACs has led some to question the president’s commitment to political reform. After all, reducing the influence of powerful special interests in Washington was a central element of Obama’s campaign platform in 2008.

          “I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over,” he said on Nov. 10, 2007 in Des Moines, Iowa. “They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am president.”

          Obama also promised voters “lobbyists won’t find a job in my White House,” a claim the non-partisan watchdog website Politifact.com has rated a “promise broken.”

          As Politifact notes, although the president signed an executive order codifying this pledge on his first full day in office, the administration has made use of a loophole in the order that permits “waivers” for former lobbyists to serve. In some cases, the administration has hired former lobbyists without a waiver and without disclosing details to the public.

          FLIPPITY FLIP FLOP FLOP FLIP

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          #8.10 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:29 PM EST

          Rob, I just heard the same thing, you beat me to it, lol!..... I wonder what kind of spin the FR wacko's will put on this. gingerbread momma put it in her mouth again it seems....

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          #8.11 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:40 PM EST

          Yes it is a flip flop or a change of position, nothing brazen, just smart. When you want to talk about flip flops, talk to me about Mitt Romney, now there's a fellow who is the king of them.

          Glad you did that Mr. Pres.

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          #8.12 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 5:14 PM EST

          Joe in albany, not sure amyb could draw that conclusion or believe it. Now fiesty, bev, bacjhouse and louisJ would.

          Memphis kelly, why worry about it? any flip flops the left accuses the right of making nthe right can do it as well and based on the argument this flip flop by obama will be a biggy.

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          #8.13 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 5:59 PM EST
          Reply

          How will the current argument between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration effect the Latino vote?

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          Reply#9 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:20 AM EST

          Good question, phine.

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          #9.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:35 AM EST

          Would be interesting to see what FR says. My take is since their choice would be between a republican candidate who treats them as second class citizens, would round them up and ship them all somewhere else and President Obama, the answer is obvious. Those Latino Catholics would be part of the 98% of Catholics who have at some point used birth control.

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          #9.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:58 PM EST

          jody, My latino nephew in law would beg to differ with that second class citizen remark. He might even ask you why you think he is a second class citizen. BTW - he sees thru the rhetoric of obama.

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          #9.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 6:11 PM EST

          Jody,

          I know plenty of Latinos, heck my daughter is half. I can tell you first hand they may be in the so called 98%, but a second class citizen, they are not.

          They came here legally and spent the money, gone to the classes jumped through the hoops to become a citizen of the US. They are more conservative then you think.

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          #9.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 8:03 PM EST
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          Mark & Domenico

          Given the extreme polorization of the two parties, do you think the general election will be an all out brawl?

          Depending on who the republican candidate is, Can you identify the varying style differences between how each of them will approach the election and President Obama?

          Since we are pre-republican candidate it would be interesting to see how your viewpoint pans out during the general election.

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          Reply#10 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:24 AM EST
          Comment author avatarMemphis KellyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          I think more discussion on obama's flip flop on the Super PACs is appropriate!

          This brazen about-face for Team Obama is a goldmine of campaign lies, contortions and epic hypocrisy. Let us count the ways.

          -- A bundle of contradictions. "Bundling" is the rustling up of aggregate contributions from friends, business associates and employees, a practice to circumvent individual donation limits that Obama has long condemned. When he announced his presidential intentions in 2007, candidate Obama decried "the cynics, the lobbyists, the special interests who've turned our government into a game only they can afford to play." He indignantly singled out "the best bundlers" who get the "greatest access" to power.

          Last week, Obama acknowledged raising at least $74 million through his team of big-time bundlers who have been showered with access, tax dollars and plum patronage positions. This elite group of Hollywood celebrities (such as open-borders actress Eva Longoria), political cronies (such as Chicago bagman Louis "The Vacuum" Susman) and politically correct businessmen (such as bankrupt Solyndra investor George Kaiser) now totals a whopping 445 gold-card members.

          -- The roar of the revolving door. In his Monday announcement, Messina bragged about how the White House has enacted "sweeping" reforms to "close the revolving door between government and lobbyists." In truth, the administration has widened the carousel and removed the brakes. The Obama-cheerleading Fishwrap of Record (The New York Times) itself identified at least 15 bundlers "involved in lobbying for Washington consulting shops or private companies."

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          #10.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:43 AM EST
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          Changing the subject - why are dental procedures/costs so high? Even with dental insurance the patient's portion of the bill is outragious - I never hear any dialogue on this subject.

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          Reply#11 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:30 AM EST

          Actually, carol, that's the question I'd like to see answered. They want $5k at my dentist to put plastic braces on my kid. I understand there's some technical expertise involved, but $5k?

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          #11.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:39 AM EST

          Carol. I am in a position where I am called on to help elderly people who are in need of financial support for rent, food,medical care. But my biggest challange is dental care because of the enormous cost, the best I can do most of the time is pay for extractions.

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          #11.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:54 AM EST

          Carol,

          Good, good question!

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          #11.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:04 PM EST

          I agrree Carol. I have to have procedure done that is going to cost me 5k out of pocket only about 950.00 is cover by my insurance. Which means that's going to have to wait until I have the cash.

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          #11.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:18 PM EST

          Figuring this should be something for free too..............you have insurance, you have a copay, you have a copay you put a little each month to cover the visits every six months. It's not rocket science.

          My question would be, how do you plan for the future when you know you're going to get old and the possibility of paying for college? Maybe put a little away here and there. It does add up, people should give it a try.

          This is the problem with middle America, people live in the "now" and have credit cards they can't afford. What happened to plan for the future? yeah-yeah, there's people that needs help, but not 45% of the US population, that BS.

          Patrick-SLC is a nice place, I was there last week in Sandy, very clean and friendly. It couldn't be that Morman why of living now could it?

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          #11.5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:30 PM EST

          Paul, Florida, where did anyone say they expect dental care for free? The question here is why is it so expensive and why does the insurance cover so little of the costs?

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          #11.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:13 PM EST

          Carol

          I noticed there is an eyeglass place near the mall that advertises crazy low prices for glasses. I was thinking, how can they sell prescription glasses for $60.00, when most places I've seen charge $300+? Perhaps they are doing such a volume of business they can charge lower prices.

          I wonder if dental care prices are so high because there is a shortage of dentists. Lack of competition drives up prices.

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          #11.7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:32 PM EST

          The insurance companies have raised their prices before all of the Affordable Health Care law kicks in.

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          #11.8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:34 PM EST
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          Why does the media appear to respect the Catholic's churches rights, even outside its church doors, more than a woman's rights? Don't you think you are marginalizing us again?

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          Reply#12 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:31 AM EST

          The Catholic Church marginalizes women everyday. The media runs scared of being perceived as bigoted in any way against anyone, so they cave to the Catholic "outrage". Lets face it being morally opposed to contraception is a difficult position to justify in the over populated, poverty stricken world we live in and yet the church clings to this because it gives them a greater control over people, which is what organized religion is all about. It has very little to do with the wisdom of Christ. It has to do with procreating the faithful. It's a numbers game. As long as catholics particularly in poor underdeveloped countries keep having lots of babies the membership in the one true faith will remain viable.

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          #12.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:15 PM EST

          Ana - the supreme court ruling in Roe V Wade only guaranteed a woman's right to privacy. They did not give an open ticket to all choices. It is unfortunate that the subject has been completely drawn away from that ruling and women have the green light to abort a fetus.

          The Catholic Church has been around a lot longer than Roe V Wade. The media knows what side their bread is buttered on... and it lies with who carrys the most weight.

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          #12.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:22 PM EST

          Let's see, women represent 51% the population, and Catholics represent 38% - yep, that's the tail wagging the dog!

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          #12.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:24 PM EST

          Let's tell the Muslims they have to eat pork because it's good for you. Let's tell them they can't have "call to prayer" 5 times a day because that bothers me. You think the Government will do such action? Ask Hamtramck how that's working out for them? Maybe White Collar can answer that?

          Why does the media appear to respect the Muslim religion? Same thing right?

          Better yet, why does the media have an opinion in the first place? Just report what's happening in the country.

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          #12.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:37 PM EST

          Ursula-279622,

          Great point. And BrianB, woman are 53% of the voters. So yes you better listen to us before listening to the Catholic church. We are a secular government by design. Leave the churches out of our public services. If they don't like our rules they can stop providing public services in this country.

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          #12.5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:38 PM EST

          Good question, Ana. I'd like to hear the media discuss this side of the question. Why should Catholic operated public institutions which have non-Catholic workers and serve non-Catholics be allowed to force their religious beliefs regarding birth control on those non-Catholic workers?

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          #12.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:16 PM EST

          Ana - While the women have a very slight advantage number wise over men, not all women think alike. Not every woman is for abortions... so in this topic, you'd need to tone your percentage down. Most catholics are against them.

          As far as this being a religious topic in a secular government, you'd better ask your president why he involved the Catholics in the first place. He's trying to force them to comply with a secular ruling. Obama opened up a can of worms and I don't think he'll like the results.

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          #12.8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:47 PM EST

          Beverly - Was John F. Kennedy a neanderthal?

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          #12.9 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:49 PM EST

          Brianb-999431

          Beverly - Was John F. Kennedy a neanderthal?

          Don't be ridiculous BB. A person is not an institution.

            #12.10 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:03 PM EST

            Beverly and Brianb,

            JFK, Newt, Clinton and all men or women that have no control of their sexual urges are a security risk to our country.

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            #12.11 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:14 PM EST

            Let's tell the Muslims they have to eat pork because it's good for you.

            On the Catholic poutrage issue, no one is forcing Catholics to take birth control. Therein lies the difference with this ridiculous comparison.

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            #12.12 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:05 PM EST

            ...no one is forcing Catholics to take birth control.

            Exactly! If you work for a Catholic Hospital or Health Care organization sorry, no bith control for you! Thanks for letting the Church control our lives.

            What about free will? Their outrage is well outragous.

              #12.13 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:14 PM EST

              So we finally found out what Beverly's problem is. She was a tortured teen. See how she totally hates her Catholic education... Even though private schools have a better record of success with students than public schools, it's not infallible. We have Beverly as living proof that not 100% coming out of private schools are better off mentally.

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              #12.14 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:20 PM EST
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              Talk about the republican enthusiasm gap for the candidates.

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              Reply#13 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:32 AM EST

              Mark & Domenico

              During the 2000 election season pundits of all stripes were telling us Bush's strength was that he seemed like a guy people wanted to have a beer with. One of Romney's biggest problems is that nobody, "Wants to have a beer with him."

              Why aren't pundits discussing this? It seems to me that Romney's persona should be THE political horse race issue after last night. Is there some reason pundits aren't pointing out Mitt Romney's "Personality Issues?"

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              Reply#14 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:35 AM EST

              You can't have a beer with Mitt because he's Mormon and Mormons don't drink alcoholic beverages.

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              #14.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:26 PM EST

              I know that, you couldn't with Dubya either, Bush quit drinking long ago.

              My point is that nobody WANTS to have a drink with Romney.

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              #14.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:57 PM EST

              I wouldn't want to have a glass of wholesome white milk with Mitt Romney.

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              #14.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:25 PM EST
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              Guys, routinely on this website we see many of the left-wing posters refer to such MSNBC personalities as Chuck Todd, David Gregory, Mika B etc..., as "republican mouthpieces", "right-wing shills" and "conservative hatchet men." This usually occurs after a show or segment where the posters believe a Democrat, such as the president, are asked a tough question.

              My question is, do you have any reason to believe that Gregory, Todd, Brian Williams and the rest are, in fact, working for the Republicans or are even registered Republicans? You know the people mentioned personally. I think you would know if David "Gotcha" Gregory is a right-winger.

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              Reply#15 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:36 AM EST

              Are those dumb a$$ questions or what?

              Obama Biden 2012

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              #15.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:47 AM EST

              every body cusses the ref when the call is against thier team?... thats the only explanation,.... the right wing FOX news villifies the MSNBC cast of characters,.... the home grown right wing kool-aid party klan villifies MSNBC, CNN, and prety much any news outlet that isnt FOX,...

              even when chris mathews gives obama a good verbal whoopin',.... the tea party klatch still villify chris as faking it for the show,... only to quickly yell that obamas own "cult followers" are turning on him,...

              for some,.... it will be nothing more than football,.... a lot of yelling at the refs,... a lot of arm chair quarterbacking,.... and in the end,..... the owners negotiate w/ the players union,.... and all moves along.

              and we still watch,... and buy t-shirts.

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              #15.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:11 PM EST
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              If a military option is carried out against Iran (either by Israel or by the US/both) between now and Nov, how will that affect the Nov elections? Also, what exactly will Mr. Obama look to to determine the point at which a military solution to the Iranian nuclear program must be implemented?

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              Reply#16 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:39 AM EST

              Great question. Hope he never considers a military action against Iran. I think General Petraus said it best. "I support Israel 100%. But not at the expense of a single American soldier's life!"

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              #16.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:42 AM EST

              I answer that. It would mean an Obama landslide. America doesn't change horses during a crisis. One caveat: unless Republicans draft Petraus for their nominee.

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              #16.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:49 AM EST

              ...unless Republicans draft Petraus for their nominee.

              That won't be happening anytime to soon. Hell the stress of his last job almost killed him.

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              #16.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:10 PM EST

              Look for it to happen in late September.The Iranians are done. LANDSLIDE!

              I've been telling you this for more than a year. No "Wag the Dog" about it.

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              #16.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:30 PM EST

              "I support Israel 100%. But not at the expense of a single American soldier's life!"

              When and where did he say that? Did he say this as a General or the Director of the CIA?

              So Amy, you think if Obama knows he might lose the election he will attack Iran? If that was the case I know he would lose because the people would see right though his motives. Either way if attacked happened it should be for political gains, it should be to stop their nukes.

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              #16.5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:45 PM EST

              I tend to agree. It's not just a 'wag the dog.' There's a lot of things all pointing the same way.

              Think about if Israel feels the need to go alone. Just out of political defense, the administration can't have that. I think Panetta floated a potential timeframe when he said April-June. Doesn't mean anything is decided (Iran always could say, okay, we'll give it up), but there seems to be a lot of indication of joint Israeli/U.S. messaging here.

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              #16.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:50 PM EST

              Paul, Florida, that's not what Amy said at all. You really do twist people's comments to suit your narrative.

              My answer is I don't see Israel with or without the USA's approval taking such a step. It would be a disaster for Israel and set the regional progress back. My guess is that President Obama is working with the Arab League to resolve this issue diplomatically. Iran is radical but not stupid. Israel is doing some saber rattling.

              What I would like to see the media discuss more is the split in Israel on the bomb Iran question. From the bits I have heard, the idea is far less popular than many want us to believe.

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              #16.7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:24 PM EST

              Beverly, a little clarification please.

              Are you saying you don't think Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons? More to the point, do you think the Obama Administration and Israel don't believe they are trying to build nuclear weapons?

              Or is your point of doubt more along the lines that the region can be stable with a nuclear Iran?

              The thing about that is both Saudi Arabia and Turkey have said they will go nuclear if Iran gets there; the Saudis saying they'll build a 1-for-1 arsenal to match Iran. That creates an arms race in what already is a pretty unstable place. Iran feels like it needs to keep up or ahead of both Turkey and Saudi Arabia, not to mention Israel, while the Saudis keep building to match Iran...

              War weary, sure. But if you believe the U.S. cannot allow Iran to be a nuclear power, the reason for doing this are certainly far more compelling than they were for Iraq. And the timeline is being driven by intelligence estimates of how long it would take Iran to move the development process into hardened, underground bunkers. That's what was behind Panetta's comment that Israel may attack in April, May or June.

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              #16.9 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:23 PM EST
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              What are the tax implications for Americans based on Romney's tax plan?

              Looking for information on what Romney would do to the lower class, middle class, and the wealthy.

              Also, what would Romney's plan do as far as the deficit?

              Please compare this to President Obama and his current tax rate (including the current 2% tax break) and include what would happen with the deficit if Congress would pass the Buffett rule.

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              Reply#17 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:43 AM EST

              Inquiring minds want to know, but Romney's too busy spending his war chest on negative ads rather than educating Americans.

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              #17.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:15 PM EST

              Dan, Romney's tax plan extends ALL the Bush tax cuts, decreases corporate taxes from 35 to 25%, eliminates the estate tax and capital gains taxes. 50% of his tax cuts goes to the millionaires, 28% to the rest of us. It adds trillions to the deficit and the debt. In other words, Romney's tax plan is Bush 43's on steroids. If Romney's tax plan were implemented, $7 trillion would have to be cut from everything else over 10 years to pay for it. His tax plan would be an economic disaster.

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              #17.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:31 PM EST
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              Is there a scenario in November where, if Mitt Romney is the GOP nominee, we see conservatives sit on their hands on Election Day given the lack of enthusiasm/distrust/contempt that we have seen so far for his candidacy? How likely is that scenario?

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              Reply#18 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:43 AM EST

              Well I bet I see a lot of clothes pins, on the dyed in the wool GOPers, at my polling polling place this November.

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              #18.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:06 PM EST
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              Is it true that Governor Romney created most of his jobs in state Government and not the private sector?

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              Reply#19 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:44 AM EST

              Feisty:

              I tend to think you are correct about Jeb Bush's chances, yet his name keeps coming up as a possible candidate.

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              Reply#20 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:47 AM EST

              I tend to think you are correct about Jeb Bush's chances,

              I think those in the Republican party who are still capable of critical thinking saw the writing on the wall & are waiting for 2016.

              Would you want to hitch your horse to the crazy wagon?

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              #20.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:57 AM EST

              Would you want to hitch your horse to the crazy wagon?

              Ahhh... No. But I have been a liberal all of my life so my veiw of the GOP is a tad bit jaded. On the other hand you are absolutely right. Who in the GOP can unseat a sitting President? Certainly not the current list of candidates.

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              #20.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:04 PM EST
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              How does Romeny win the nomination now? or can he?

              How can he connect with the GOP base? or is that even possible?

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              Reply#21 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:59 AM EST

              The Mitt Romney campaign is pushing back against a new Washington Post/ABC poll out today, showing President Obama ahead of Romney 51%-45% because, "The poll introduced specific negative information about Governor Romney immediately prior to asking the ballot match-up against President Obama."

              This is from an article posted on Monday. My question is, even if the match-up is invalid, wouldn't you consider this quite revealing - that all it takes is a little negative information to knock Romney down? There's more to glean here than just head-to-head match up stats.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#22 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:09 PM EST

              Don't worry about that, Ursula. Both sides are compiling their desktop procedures as we go. The Obama reelection team even has the old McCain negative book on Romney, from what I understand from the news.

              I've suspected all along that the reelection team wants to face Romney. Maybe there's something else in that binder? Don't get me wrong - they would have loved to face a Bachmann or someone like that. But among those that had a realistic shot of the nomination, they've sure gone out of their way to treat Romney as the prospective nominee.

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              #22.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:22 PM EST
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              How do you see Super Tuesday shaping up for these candidates? Is there a chance Santorum could end up winning more than previously expected? How will the states without "winner take all" impact Romney and the others?

              • 5 votes
              Reply#23 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:21 PM EST

              As a related question--we hear people talk of Santorum's lack of organization. Would an infusion of cash buy him enough organization to really challenge Romney?

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              #23.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:32 PM EST

              Are you offering Steeler Fan?

                #23.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:26 PM EST
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                Thank you for the opportunity to ask questions. The equal opportunity nature of this forum would seem to speak to its inherent fairness. However, I can't help noticing comments from contributors such as rob in ma and white co auto (and there are others) who write as if they are G.O.P. political activists hired to prey on the few per cent of low IQ victims who believe their drivel (which they certainly have a right to put forth). My question then is this: Do you think there are paid political operatives on forums such as this one? (I assume that other news organizations and similar forums exist elsewhere). Along with this question are some inherent other issues which ought to be addressed. How much money can be spent on conventional advertising before one encounters the law of diminishing returns? Where does extra money go? Towards infiltrating this kind of service? There are probably many new tech savvy dirty tricks which are very specifically targeted to their audiences. And finally is this question paranoid or naive?

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                Reply#24 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM EST

                I believe there are, anaxgnosis. I remember reading in a New Hampshire blog four years ago that they had tracked computer IDs back on several of their commenters and found they all originated from the same computer in one particular campaign office.

                I seem to remember us talking about that some here on First Read four years ago.

                I'd also guess the vast majority of comments are just from supporters of their respective parties/candidates. Sure, some on both sides parrot talking points. Doesn't mean they are paid to do that.

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                #24.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:37 PM EST

                The question is, does the constant drum beat of inane comments by the same hateful and ignorant Tea Party posters make any difference at all? Who could possibly believe anything they say except people who already are reading out of the same coloring book?

                However, it is fun to see them put in their place daily.

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                #24.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:52 PM EST
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                Harry Truman said, "Show me a rich politician, and I'll show you a crook."

                Tax breaks for "job creators" preceded 10+% unemployment and raised four trillion dollars of debt.

                Getting government out of our lives led to Wall Street deregulation and economic collapse

                Finding WMD yielded the deaths of over 4,000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqi civilians, as well as another trillion dollars of national debt.

                Now the arsonists are claiming to be the fire department, but are carrying the same incendiary devices. They are also obsessed with regulating sexuality and reproduction and destroying the unions that built the middle class of wage earners.

                Let them run on their record and their ideology. Their only strategy to date is to offer platitudes and gang bang President Obama. They cannot possibly win on the issues. In 2010 they won on "jobs, jobs, jobs", then hid every bit of jobs legislation under committee rugs in order to accuse the president of not creating jobs. Fortunately, they can't obstruct the private sector's progress, so recovery has been gaining for sixteen straight months.

                Capitalism still works, and so does America. It is the Republican Party that is failing.

                Will Romney be able buy the nomination for Wall Street interests and get support outside the extremist zoo?

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                Reply#25 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM EST
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