Today's GOP contests: Do-or-die time for Santorum

Do-or-die time for Santorum… And further breaking down tonight’s contests in Colorado, Minnesota, and Missouri.

Charles Rex Arbogast / AP

Republican presidential candidate, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum speaks about healthcare, Monday, Feb. 6, 2012, in Rochester, Minn.

*** Do-or-die time for Santorum: While they haven't received the same kind of attention as the other early nominating contests, today's races in Colorado, Minnesota, and Missouri are worth keeping in mind for three reasons. First, they have more projected delegates at stake -- a combined 76 (40 in Minnesota, 36 in Colorado, and zero in Missouri, whose delegates will be determined a later date) -- than all the combined delegates for Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. Second, they all occur in presidential battleground states. And third, they give Mitt Romney's challengers, particularly Rick Santorum, the opportunity to upset Romney. Indeed, if Santorum is going to make a serious move now, it's going to come in one of the caucus contests, where either a more conservative or better organized candidate can pull off a victory. Bottom line: It’s do-or-die time for Santorum, and he needs to win two of these three races (Minnesota and the beauty contest of Missouri) to keep his White House chances alive. By the way, today is going to be a tough day for Newt Gingrich; the only question is whether he’ll finish third or fourth in all three. There’s a reason why he’s in Ohio today…


Republican presidential hopefuls have been campaigning in advance of contests Tuesday in Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri with a total of 70 delegates up for grabs. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.

*** Breaking down tonight’s Colorado caucuses: Per NBC’s John Bailey, Colorado’s caucuses work very similarly to Iowa’s. Starting at 9:00 pm ET (7:00 pm local time), Republicans will gather at nearly 3,000 locations across the state to participate in a presidential-preference straw poll conducted by secret paper ballot. The results are then counted, announced to the caucus, and called into county headquarters. Results will be posted beginning at about 10:30 pm ET at http://results.cologop.org/. The state party hopes to have the statewide results totaled and compiled by 12:30 am or 1:00 am ET. At stake are 36 delegates. But just like in Iowa, the delegates to attend the national convention in Tampa will be elected at subsequent state and congressional-district assemblies and conventions. In 2008, slightly more than 70,000 Republicans turned out in Colorado’s caucuses.

*** Breaking down tonight’s Minnesota caucuses: Minnesota, NBC’s Bailey adds, works very similarly to Iowa and Colorado. All caucuses start at 8:00 pm ET (7:00 pm local time). They elect caucus leadership and then conduct the preference poll. In 2008, about 65,000 Republicans turned out, and the party hopes to have similar turnout this time. Unlike the other states, Minnesota’s caucuses report their results to the secretary of state. The state party estimates results will begin being posted on the secretary of state’s website at about 9:00 pm ET (8:00PM CT). Forty delegates are at stake, but like in Colorado and Iowa, Minnesota will actually choose the individuals who will go to Tampa at its later conventions.

*** Breaking down tonight’s Missouri primary (which is really a beauty contest): Today’s primary in Missouri is nonbinding – essentially a beauty contest – and its delegates will be awarded at a later date. But that hasn’t stopped the pro-Santorum Red, White, and Blue Fund Super PAC from running advertisements in the Show Me State.

*** On the 2012 trail: Romney holds a rally in Loveland, CO… Santorum also hits a rally in Colorado, in Colorado Springs, before heading to an event in Blaine, MN… And Gingrich campaigns in Ohio.

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Santorum has been a 'walker' ever since the IA caucuses - he's just too stupid to realize it!

Rick your 'sell by' date expired a month ago!

  • 26 votes
#1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 9:19 AM EST

Feisty

He will take Minnesota (currently Rick 33, Mitt 24, Newt 22, Paul 20)

He will take Missouri (non-binding) 45 - 34

He is closing fast in Colorado Mitt 37, Rick 27 (from 2% just a couple of months ago) Romney took Colorado with a 60% vote in 2008.

Ohio is a dead heat, Rick now leads in Pennsylvania, Michigan Santorum is gaining steam. Of all the recent polls the only two places he hasn't made a dent in yet is Arizona and Georgia.

Feisty - you wouldn't be the only one stunned - Romney sees the polls and is now aiming at Santorum. Gingrich called Santorum's strategy "shrewd" today.

Saying he is just a bump in the road, isn't dealing with the reality, that most polling hasn't been done in states since July 2011 - December 2011. Things sure can change quick - can't they?

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:47 PM EST

The polls still place Santorum far behind Gingrich and Romney nationally. Santorum is going to fade like a prom queen's wrist corsage just as Cain, Bachmann, and Perry wilted away. There is no knight in shining armor that is going to save the GOP from itself in this election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:07 PM EST

That is true, but did you notice the Gallup tracking poll shows a continual increase? That is like a 5 day average. That average gets over 20% and you might see a flip of support from Gringrich to Santorum and you will see more erosion from Romney. Check out the recent one on one polls with Obama. Santorum is excelling there too.

    #1.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM EST

    Santorum is showing too little too late in this race. He is running a poor third in a four horse race.

    • 5 votes
    #1.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:35 PM EST

    I believe Santorum might yet cause quite a stir among the republicans. Many are tiring of holding their noses and purses collectively, while looking over their shoulders, all the while attempting to vote peroperly for either Newt, or, ha, ha ,ha, um, ah, cuse me,........Mittens! Santorum might just be what these .... ha, ha ho,ho, whaa, ha, ha, ha, ummmm, uhh, voters need, to settle down.

    • 4 votes
    #1.5 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:22 PM EST

    I have to agree with Feisty, Santorum has been the walking dead since he lost/won Iowa, and lost/lost New Hampshire and South Carolina. He's an after thought.

    With a very sick little girl back home and a campaign on life support I'm really surprised he lasted this long. I predict he'll be gone by the end of the week.

    And then there were three. Well, two and America's crazy grandpa. This has got to be the strangest GOP primary ever. Bizarre candidates, unbelievable campaign gaffs, if these folks are the best and the brightest the GOP has to offer then they need to stop looking for dates at family reunions.

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • 13 votes
    #1.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM EST
    Mr. ClarkeDeleted

    Skips nose and Feisty's butt.......Dont stop quickly Feisty Skipadectomies are costly

      #1.8 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:04 PM EST

      Starving the Beast ensures only the wealthy and elite can afford to run and then live on those wages while they control the works of their own agendas and benefactors. When they talk about Starving that Beast, you seem to forget that it’s “We the People” who is that “Beast” that they want to starve!

      • 3 votes
      #1.9 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:05 PM EST

      Just like the other Rick - dead man walking. Took a lot longer, but he'll get it sooner or later, just like crazy old grandpa and Newty Fruity. Romneycare has already been chosen. He has the most $$$$$. Hello!!!!??????

      • 4 votes
      #1.10 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:26 PM EST

      Rick's delusion of grandeur will live on. We in PA couldn't get rid of him fast enough. He's going nowhere. I'm surprised he outlived Bachman.

      • 6 votes
      #1.11 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 6:28 PM EST

      Santorum has been the walking dead since he lost/won Iowa, and lost/lost New Hampshire and South Carolina. He's an after thought.

      Hiya Skip!

      What I would like to know is, who is funding him? Always follow the $$$!

      Give my best to Mrs. Skip & the girls!

      • 5 votes
      #1.12 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 6:51 PM EST

      Ron Paul is the ONLY Peace candidate. Voting for him is the best and only way in this moment to show THEM that Americans want NO WAR.
      Otherwise warmongers sit warm in their Bohemian Grove hole and laugh about stupid US people that had the choice and chance to vote against the next war and did ... NOTHING !

      • 2 votes
      #1.13 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:01 PM EST

      Holiday - don't cuss when you see this.

      Pennsylvania New Source Poll taken 1 - 22 -2012

      Santorum 29, Gingrich 26, Romney 22

      http://www.uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2012R/polls.php?fips=42

      • 1 vote
      #1.14 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:04 PM EST

      Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

      What I would like to know is, who is funding him? Always follow the $$$!

      Give my best to Mrs. Skip & the girls!

      Exactly follow the money... see where Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, and Obama are receiving the majority of their money. Let me drop a hint: if your not part of a large corporation your probably not going to matter much to any of these candidates.

      But keep following the money and you will see Ron Paul receives more donations from individual donors than any other candidate as well as from the military.

      Most people here probably won't listen but do your own research through google and maybe you will start wondering why only one candidate is being ignored consistently.

      • 2 votes
      #1.15 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:08 PM EST

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-usa-campaign-poll-idUSTRE81514720120207

      NATIONAL numbers according to Reuters/Ipsos:

      Romney: 29%
      Paul: 21%
      Gingrich: 19%
      Santorum: 18%

      or the way the media likes to say 1st Romney, 3rd Gingrich, 4th Santorum.. oh that other guy? hes unelectable....

      • 2 votes
      #1.16 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:12 PM EST

      @Skip Nicholson #1.6: Sensible logic. That last paragraph damn near killed me! Great perspective! Thanks

      • 1 vote
      #1.17 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:33 PM EST

      PA was glad to see rick the K street baron go.. he abandoned PA in his quest for political power

      • 2 votes
      #1.18 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:34 PM EST

      Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

      Santorum has been a 'walker' ever since the IA caucuses - he's just too stupid to realize it!Rick your 'sell by' date expired a month ago!

      Yep thats why hes leading in all 3 primaries eh? You couldnt have been more wrong, since it looks like he will be winning, which could easily give him enough boost to win the repub primary.. Haha how would you like that? If he actually wins? The libs version of the anti-christ wins the US presidency?

      • 1 vote
      #1.19 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 9:58 PM EST

      All are you aware Rick Santorum belongs to Opus Dei? He sent his two sons to be schooled by them And Opus Dei who does not reveal their members put in their Illumminati - that they have a friend in Pennsylvania

      This explains everything about this man!

      If you know nothing about "Opus Dei" look them up - a secretive society of the Catholic Church

      • 2 votes
      #1.20 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:59 AM EST

      inSanatorium and his wife brought their still-born-baby-son home in a jar to introduce it to their children ...

      G.W. Bush was introduced to his still-born-baby-brother the same way ...

      But we didn't know this until after Bush destroyed America and the world when Bush confessed this as a reason for his War Crimes, mass-murder and high treason in his book *Decision Points*

      • 3 votes
      #1.21 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 9:12 AM EST

      In my humble opinion Santorum is hanging in, hoping to be chosen as Romney's running mate. Mittens is going to need someone who is of more humble origins than he, and in addition Santorum could help to capture the evangelical vote.

      It's all good, my friends...it's all good.

      When they're both on the GOP ticket, then we'll open wide the closet door and let the skeletons come marching out by the battalion.

      I'm smiling all the way to the voting booth.

      • 1 vote
      #1.22 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 9:17 AM EST

      wall street and hedge fund should take million that they gave to Mitt Romney campaign, and give it to Rick Santorum.

      It's funny when Rick said that president Obama think he knows better. Of course President Obama knows better, that's why, he has over 22 months job growth consecutively, in contract, GOP has over 22 months obstruction in Washington.

      • 2 votes
      #1.23 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:01 PM EST

      The Frothy Mix may be up in PA polls, but PA has not forgotten this phoney who bilked PA residents out of tax monies when he didn't even live in PA. If the Frothy Mix ends up as the GOP frontman, they may as well turn over and play dead, because it's a free ticket back to the White House for Obama.

      With a nation polarized as it is, why is this idiot running a campaign to appease only the far right with him introducing changes he would seek in making the U.S a Theoligical run country? Frankly, if Romney picks this Frothy Anal Mix into his game plan as a running mate, then just give the election over to Obama now.

      So many intelligent people that could do so much for our country and all we ever get are the three stooges meet the bowery boys every election.

      • 4 votes
      #1.24 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:07 PM EST

      I sure hope this guy wins the GOP nomination - It would be a slam dunk for Democrats since he basically wants a Christian version of Sharia Law to be implemented in the USA.

      Go sell crazy someplace else!

      Vote Democrat in November - your rights may just depend on it!!!

      • 3 votes
      #1.25 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:45 PM EST
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      Santorum has a reasonable chance of winning in MN. He is exactly where the heart of the Republican Party is in MN. Remember...Bachmann is not an accident, she stands for the same fringe right wing politics that her party does. Romney has good reason to be concerned.

      • 19 votes
      #2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 9:26 AM EST

      newday ... "Bachmann is not an accident" ... ooohhh the thoughts that line inspires ... just not suitable for public consumption. Have a great day following the circus today.

      • 13 votes
      #2.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:15 AM EST

      Are sweater vests a fashion statement in MN, New Day?

      • 9 votes
      #2.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:21 AM EST

      TOG and SF: Apparently, the sweater vests are made in MN!

      You both have a good day too.

      • 7 votes
      #2.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:36 AM EST

      I have to say there is something, inherently more likable about Santorum, in comparison to Romney. Which is frightening, because this man is a straight up bigot when it comes to homosexuality. He's much better at cloaking his dangerous, civil rights violating, views, and, unlike Romney, I think he really means them.

      Also, the sweater vest, if done right, can be a thing of beauty. He just doesn't do it right.

      • 16 votes
      #2.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:12 AM EST

      Santorum surging from behind.

      • 5 votes
      #2.5 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST

      Rusty,

      Oh, call me immature all you want, that crap is fuuunnnnyyyy! Crap, Santorum, ha!

      • 5 votes
      #2.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:11 PM EST

      Sarah - although he does not personally agree with homosexuality - he is reasonable in that if it is passed, it is the law and he will abide by it. That is really what you hire a president for. The president's ultimate job is the nations law enforcer. Congress is the one that makes the laws. The president's role in legislation is as an advisor.

      Obama has a track record of vacating laws at his own discretion. Now that is disturbing.

      • 2 votes
      #2.7 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST

      DB,

      He will attempt to pass a Consitutional Amendment defining marriage, and reinstate DADT. Those are both examples of bigotted legislation based on his faith.

      I have no problem with laws being ignored, if those laws are unjust and illegal in and of themselves. It is not any branch of governments duty to sit idly by and accept laws that are clearly unconstitutional, it is their job to check those laws and balance them.

      • 6 votes
      #2.8 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM EST

      That's actually fine with most Americans. By changing the traditionally accepted definition to something it was not intended. Marriage was about the survival of family, insuring the existence of human life and insuring the offspring grow up to do the same. It means special priviledges because you are sacrificing to do this for the good of humanity.

      I think including homosexualty devalues the concept to over half of he people who chose to do things that marriage was intended to promote, but then the way government regulates people don't marry, because they find ways that they can do better than if they were actually married.

      When considering rights of people, one must not only consider the concerns of the minorty, but that of the majority. Not doing so will cause nothing but problems.

      BTW Sarah, the most important thing to advance society is a well defined family unit. Our society is suffering so many ills because it is not protecting this unit. It assures advancement of knowledge, wealth and independence. It takes a strong family to raise a well adjusted child to a successful adulthood.

      • 2 votes
      #2.9 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:38 PM EST

      BTW Sarah - last time I checked Obama doesn't support gay marriage either - so why stick it to Santorum over it?

      • 3 votes
      #2.10 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:44 PM EST

      If you would like to know my standpoint on marriage move to the article and vine about Prop 8. I'm not typing it all again.

      The difference between Santorum and Obama when it comes to gay marriage is sincerity. I don't think Obama really gives a flying phazoo, but he is a politician. I get it. I don't like it, but I get it.

      Santorum is sincere in his bigotry.

      • 6 votes
      #2.11 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:58 PM EST

      DB, your narrow comments and definitions do not allow for those who think differently from you.

      You demand that your rights be preserved while denying the same respect to others.

      As does Santorum, which is why we do not care for him.

      • 6 votes
      #2.12 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 2:01 PM EST

      Ron Paul ftw

      • 2 votes
      #2.13 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 2:29 PM EST

      You have no rational arguments here. The ONLY one trying to impose views on others is OBAMA. His Obamacare bill is invading the rights of virtually everyone, trying to impose views of contraception, trying to impose views on type of health insurance, trying to impose views on the purchase of health insurance. I am hopeful that the Supreme Court will uphold our contstitutional rights and put down this nasty piece of legislation but it is a political world and I am not sure we have Supreme court justices who actually believe in the constitution anymore. And saying that Obama is not sincere in is opposition of Gay Marriage while Santorum is, well that is just ridiculous, while I have to agree that most of what Obama says he actually does not believe and has no intention of following through with, I have a hard time buying an argument based on the fact that you can vote for Obama because he really doesn't believe a thing that he says....At least the conservatives look like they have figured out Gingrich is a fraud. Santorum appears to be a decent individual, I just don't think he is mean enough to unseat Obama, Romney is a decent person but tough enough to take Obama punches and mean enough to deliver some much deserved punches of his own when necessary and it is going to be necessary in this election. Obama is one nasty campaigner.

      • 2 votes
      #2.14 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM EST

      Careful Rusty, some of these liberal women like the whole surge from behind thing. Put a mirror in front of them and they might marry you.

      • 1 vote
      #2.15 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:07 PM EST

      Starving the Beast ensures only the wealthy and elite can afford to run and then live on those wages while they control the works of their own agendas and benefactors. When they talk about Starving that Beast, you seem to forget that it’s “We the People” who is that “Beast” that they want to starve!

      • 1 vote
      #2.16 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:08 PM EST

      Blechmann is not an accident???? She was an ongoing, youtube car wreck that even we detractors wished would have stopped sooner.

      • 4 votes
      #2.17 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:27 PM EST

      Sarah

      Bigotry does not equal difference of opinion. I understand why you feel the way you do. It is something you want for yourself. I get it. But, by using vitriolic language on someone because you disagree makes your argument makes you look small and judgemental. That is not going to get the to goal in a reasonable way.

      I don't think you really appreciate a large part of the world's religions believe that marriage was a directive of there "god". Both Christianity and Judaism see it as an institution of God and similar to their relationship with God. That's not about bigotry, but rather you assaulting their beliefs.

      Four years ago, I was working for a local company. The owner had a friend who was a lesbian whom he was going to see. He said "I'm so glad that she has found somebody to be with!' in a tone I had never seen before in 6 years. After some time I realized - he was Catholic. He was clearly not comfortable with what she was doing, because really believes what she is doing is wrong, but didn't really want to offend her, and really didn't want to deny her happiness.

      I did see in one of the debates that Santorum was asked what he would do if his own son declared he was gay. "I would love him just as I did before I found out, and hope that he would change his mind in the future."

      I think you need to be patient and remember this. Just because something is declared legal by a government doesn't make it right, doesn't make it moral. It just means you can do it without the government fining or imprisoning you.

        #2.18 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:34 PM EST

        one of Santorums goals as senator was to raise the retirement age to 70 and eliminate medicare Romney will start those attack ads soon if Rick stays in

        • 1 vote
        #2.19 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:37 PM EST

        DB in Akron - and just because a group does not like something - gay rights - does not mean gay rights are wrong. I'm heterosexual and I firmly know that gays having rights doesn't hurt me at all. It doesn't detract from marriage or from families. And, some gay couples have raised very healthy children who are not gay. The far right's prejudice based on "religion" does not make it right. I was raised Christian and still believe in God. However, my God did not teach me to hate those who are different than me. I was taught to love and respect all people. I know for a fact it is not my job to decide who is living a moral life and who isn't. I don't presume to have that position.

        • 3 votes
        #2.20 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:47 PM EST
        Reply

        Eh, the media should stop beating this horse race drum. What if Santorum does win Minnesota? Is that somehow going to propel him back into contender status? Nope. The time for that is past. At this point, money and organization trump everything but photos of the candidate being innappropriate with young boys.

        Besides, if Santorum were to somehow elevate himself back into the ranks of longshot contender, the establishment would destroy him. The only reason he's escaped the Cain/Newt treatment is because the party establishment was waiting to see if his Iowa win would translate into fundraising. It apparently didn't, so why bother?

        • 9 votes
        Reply#3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 9:56 AM EST

        New flash - his funding has been excellerating at a rate comparable to his numbers in the polls. What I think is happening is that a lot of people who like him, were not voting for him because they didn't see him having a chance. They are taking a second look and saying - "why not". A primary is about voting for the candidate you think best represents your views. It would be far better that people vote for the candidate of their choice instead of worrying about whether or not they would win in the fall.

        Candidates who won because they were the parties choice

        Bush 43

        Reagan

        Nixon.

        Candidates who were nominated because they could win

        John McCain, Bush 41, Gerald Ford.

        Candidates nominated because they were the next in line

        Bob Dole

          #3.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:00 PM EST
          Reply

          While I'm no fan of Rick Santorum, the misreported IA caucus results stole some big momentum from him ... and worse, gave it to Romney. Hopefully they'll get it right tonight in CO and MN.

          • 9 votes
          Reply#4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:03 AM EST

          I agree, Ursula. And I think "misreported" is a kind thing to say. Who knows what really went on there but it wasn't fair to Santorum.

          • 10 votes
          #4.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:15 AM EST

          And they never did find those 8 missing (?) precincts did they?

          • 9 votes
          #4.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM EST

          The 8 precincts weren't missing. The people running them forgot to sign off on the returns so they couldn't be counted until someone could verify that they were accurate.

          • 1 vote
          #4.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST

          Santorum had picked up enough votes because of minor clerical errors that he should have withstood those last 8 precincts. Gotta give him credit, he focused on the next race instead of interferring with the certification process.

            #4.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:04 PM EST
            Reply

            Paul M,

            "What if Santorum does win in Minnesota?"

            It would be a big embarrassment for Romney. Romney as the "anti McCain" candidate received 41% on caucus night in 2008.It just supports the narrative that the GOP are not yet ready to give it to Romney.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#5 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:07 AM EST

            I don't see it that way. Was then Senator Obama, once he had established himself as the frontrunner, embarrassed with every state Clinton won? Apples and oranges, I admit, in the sense that for a lot of those primaries Clinton still had a legitimate shot (especially if the Superdelegates stuck by her in mass). But that's the kind of embarrassment like South Carolina - lasts only until the next win.

            • 8 votes
            #5.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:18 AM EST

            It would just mean that Romney would have to work even harder to get to that magic number of delegates that appoints him the Republican nominee instead of having to go into horse trading at the RNC.

            • 2 votes
            #5.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:54 AM EST

            "What if Santorum does win in Minnesota?"

            It means NOTHING in the long run. Rick Santorum is going NOWHERE. The people in PA booted him out by more than a 2 to 1 margin and Americans don't elect religious fanatics for president.

            • 5 votes
            #5.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:27 PM EST

            Once upon a time, Americans feared a Catholic as president, and not only was JFK elected, but in retrospect has been virtually elevated to sainthood subsequent to his service in that office. The complaints about religion or religiosity seem to have fallen before.

            • 1 vote
            #5.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:47 PM EST

            Elevated to sainthood (a cat-o-lic act sainthood)

            He was murdered. An enemy of cat-o-lics that founded this government and still controls this government.

            Still would like to know if he had the dead baby stuffed and bronzed for the retard to play with.

            • 1 vote
            #5.5 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM EST

            Sue - JFK was not a fanatic - Santorum is - look up Opus Dei!

              #5.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:02 AM EST

              rogerbeard - your disgusting post has no place on any site. Does it make you feel better to sink that low?

              • 1 vote
              #5.7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:52 PM EST
              Reply

              Rick Santorum was named among the top 3 most corrupt senators in 2005-2006 by a Washington watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. See pages 207-218 -

              • 11 votes
              Reply#6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:18 AM EST

              Thats why he running for president.

              • 5 votes
              #6.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:21 AM EST

              Yup, that's why it's so hilarious anyone thinks Rick Santorum has a shot at the POTUS position, or Newt the also equally or greater corrupt candidate, and then Romney who if became president would probably do all the same moves as Obama. Really only one choice. Ron Paul who has the ethics, intelligence, voting record, backing of the enlisted military, biggest grass roots organization, most enthusiastic supporters, most support from college age voters.

              Ron Paul 2012

              • 1 vote
              #6.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:03 PM EST
              Reply

              Regarding superpac money. You have to fight fire with fire. You cannot let the ultra rich win this election because of your principles. You beat them at their own game and when you win reelection you go for the constitutional amendment. And since you equalized their superpacs with your own, Republicans will do what the public wants and vote for the constitutional amendment.

              • 10 votes
              Reply#7 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:22 AM EST

              "You cannot let the ultra rich win this election"

              Yes, that must be prevented at all costs, obviously. So , therefore , Obama will get a billion dollars from his ultra rich insiders, mostly Wall Street corporate cronies like Jon Corzine, and billionaires who rely on government contracts, to fund his campaign.

              Beat them at "their" own game? Keep drinking the koolaid.

              Liberals: say one thing, do another.

              • 5 votes
              #7.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:35 AM EST

              Bob, that's an extremely valid point that you brought up. Obama will be matching Mitt Romney on insider cash. But what are your solutions to that problem? Do you have any? Or are you just going to continue blowing steam and hot air.

              • 12 votes
              #7.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:56 AM EST

              And as much as 'conservatives' continue to focus their energy on deconstructing the hated 'libby', nothing will ever be accomplished.

              • 13 votes
              #7.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:30 AM EST

              Well said Georwell.

              • 3 votes
              #7.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:56 AM EST

              Sorry AnaBanana,

              Citizen United destroyed that hope, the only way to overturn that is to replace Clarence Thomas and Scalia. But even then, theres no guarantee that who ever they are replaced with will vote the way Dems want.

              • 3 votes
              #7.5 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:46 PM EST

              Actually, don't let any candidate for any office keep any of the residual funding left in a campaign chest after the election is over. All that money can default to the American people to be applied to our national debt, and next time around, every single candidate has to start with the exact same-nothing. Now, wealthy people, if nothing else can be agreed upon, are not wasteful or foolish with their money. They apply it where they feel that they will be best served (at least that is the impressions that I am getting from all the posts), so therefore, each election season, it will be up to the candidates to suck up to the ultra wealthy better than the rest to get their funding, but the interesting thing that will result is that, we, the people, will know exactly what they are doing, who they are courting, who is supporting them...no scandals, no insiders...everything transparent, just as was promised in 2008 but didn't actually happen. Now if we as voters know who is on first, we can actually make informed choices at the polls based upon our perception of which group of crooks is better suited to further our personal ends, but instead of finger pointing and trying to appear honorable....we will all be brutually honest about how this whole government thing works.

                #7.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:52 PM EST

                Bob, what can Obama do though? He's against the Superpacs, but he'd be a fool not to use his in this current climate. No amount of personal fundraising can match what billionaire donors can do. Sure, you can be principled like Buddy Roemer and not take any corporate donations or use a Superpac....how's he doing in the polls again?

                • 2 votes
                #7.7 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:26 PM EST

                Falconear - Bob just loves to post so he can throw the "koolaid" word out. It makes everything he posts look totally stupid!

                • 1 vote
                #7.8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:55 PM EST
                Reply

                Can Santorum beat Mit?

                • 1 vote
                Reply#8 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:25 AM EST

                It doesn't matter. Neither will ever be elected President of the United States.

                • 12 votes
                #8.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:29 AM EST

                I heard Mit on Minnesota radio saying he wanted to eliminate Planned Parenthood. Isn't that one of the safety nets he was talking about earlier in one of his statements about he's not worried about the poor?

                • 15 votes
                #8.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST

                So True, ole Mitt doesn't care for the poor. Gosh, Mitt is such a loser.

                • 8 votes
                #8.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:52 AM EST

                It would be a stretch for Santorum to lock up the Republican nomination at this point. However, he can seriously hurt Romney. If Mitt can't get his what 1140 delegates(?), not totally sure on the exact number, before the RNC the delegates go into negotiations to pick a candidate themselves instead of just voting how the people wanted.

                This could actually be the best thing for the Republican party as the delegates could then draft someone that isn't currently running and might actually be a decent option for president. Right now I wouldn't vote for any of the these clowns, so my vote is going to go to Obama for lack of an alternative.

                • 4 votes
                #8.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST

                You know, "Planned Parenthood" is a friendly sounding term that leads us all to believe that people actually have sense and regard for their potential children...planning, education, learning, and being able to control one's reproduction to eliminate mishaps and "accidents" But in reality, it is a cozy way of hiding the fact that not only women, but men as well, are not able, willing, or inclined to be responsible for their own bodies and their own reproductive potentials. Protecting a women's right to choose has become synonomous with abortion...it doesn't really reflect protecting a right to choose, it is protecting a right to abortion. In that regard, I don't see it as any sort of safety net. If we can convince armies of women that an unborn child is disposable, then how can we fault them for not valuing the ones who are brought to term and are born??? Violence and neglect as it related to children seems to be a natural outcropping of allowing women to pick and choose which child will and will not be born. If you think about it, it is kind of schizophrenic....We, as a society, all tout a woman's right to abortion, her right to choose, but if a women were to leave an infant, deciding that she simply is not up to the task of caring for it, there is a manhunt to find her and bring her up on charges of abuse and child endangerment. What about the women who don't go through an abortion clinic, but rather end their pregnancies themselves???? When it is discovered there is a legal consquence to that as well. Why do we let a woman "decide" up until a certain point and make her guilty of assault, abuse and murder after a certain date? And last I checked, Planned Parenthood is a private organization, and why should tax dollars fund it at all??? Many people believe in medical screenings for the poor, but not in abortion or artificial birth control...could those same tax dollars be used to fund clinics or facilities that only offer the screening and testing???? While our constitution as defined by Rowe vs Wade may support and even legalize a woman's right to choose....it is still that, a right to make a choice...in no way does that right guarantee that the service will be paid for by the government. I have the right to "bear arms" under the constitution, but that doesn't mean the government is paying for my assault rifle. I have the right of free speech, but that doesn't mean the government is going to buy me air time to promote my thoughts and ideas.

                  #8.5 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:05 PM EST

                  Sue? What part of no public funding goes toward abortion is confusing to you? It is already illegal. The rest of your entire discussion while it is your right to express it and you did it very well it is just that and actually there apparently is a sufficient number of silent Christian Conservatives that do not hold your opinion or else the law of the land would be different. And ok you are correct it is a woman's right to choose an abortion if we really want to get semantical. And you are on the side of taking away a right no matter how you look at it you want to make that choice for every woman. Sorry but no one put you in charge.

                  • 6 votes
                  #8.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 2:29 PM EST
                  Reply

                  After loosing his senate position Rick Santorum earned millions of dollars including payments from a lobbying firm, an energy company engaged in controversial practice which pollutes ground water and endangers the public and a hospital conglomerate that was sued for allegedly defrauding the federal government. Santorum was a board of director for Universal Health Services which illegally billed the federal government. UHS paid $27.5 million dollars to settle the suite. Innocent children of a Pennsylvania public school district were deprived of valuable school funds when Santorum refused to pay the $100,000 education bill he owned to the school district.

                  • 9 votes
                  Reply#9 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:28 AM EST

                  To add insult to injury, the energy company then made contributions to Romney's campaign. Ouch.

                  • 4 votes
                  #9.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:38 AM EST
                  Reply

                  After a six year affair, Congressman Gingrich divorced his second wife and months later married Calista in 2000. Newt was 57 and Calista was 34. During the divorce proceedings, Congressman Gingrich refused to participate in the discovery process and finally claimed that he and Marianne had an "understanding" about his affairs. Marianne denied this claim, and in a subsequent interview stated that she could end Newt's political career in a single interview.At the end of both his marriages, Congressman Gingrich proposed to his new wife before asking his current wife for a divorce. Marianne stated that this was very telling of Congressman Gingrich's character. Before marrying Calista, Congressman Gingrich asked the Catholic Church to annul his 18 year marriage to Marianne.There have been numerous accussations of additional affairs during all phases of Congressman Gingrich's life, including a woman who claimed she had a relationship in the 1970's with Gingrich before he was a Congressman. Strangley enough, this woman states that Gingrich sought oral sex only so that he could later deny sexual relations if they were discovered. This was the same tactic used by President Clinton when he was accused of adultery. As Speaker of the House, Congressman Gingrich led the charge to impeach President Clinton. He has acknowledged that while he was doing this, he was carrying out an affair with his current wife. When asked about the hypocrisy of these actions, he has noted that President Clinton committed perjury to cover the affair and this was what he was impeached for and not the affair itself.However, in 1983 Congressman Gingrich made speeches in response to the affairs of other Congressional members lamenting the moral decline of leadership in America and claiming that the country cannot remain free without moral leaders. the politicalguide

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#10 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST

                  US Honor -

                  Congressman Gingrich refused to participate in the discovery process.

                  Not exactly, Gingrich will tell you that he was "less than truthful" but people inside said that Gingrich through his legal counsel submitted all documentation, but not filed properly causing them grief in reviewing the information. That really ticked them off. The "fine" which no one at the time called it that was really a reimbursment for the cost of the investigation. The actual report termed the $300,000 as a reimbursment.

                  BTW just because I know what happened doesn't mean I'm going to vote for Gingrich. Both he and Mitt have some truth telling issues as a whole. At this point I could even vote for - naaaagh it's just too early yet.

                    #10.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:22 PM EST
                    Reply

                    Newt talked about sacred honor. What! What kind of honor is this."He walked out in the spring of 1980.... By September, I went into the hospital for my third surgery. The two girls came to see me, and said, "Daddy is downstairs. Could he come up?" When he got there, he wanted to discuss the terms of the divorce while I was recovering from my surgery." - Jackie, his first wife. One of Newt's daughters from that first marriage, who is also a conservative columnist, recently disputed that story (after Newt co-authored a book with her), saying among other things that her mother Jackie had initiated the divorce and that "the tumor [removed in a surgery the day before] was benign." Of course no one knew the tumor was benign at the time, so I don't know why that is supposed to matter. And CNN recently found court documents that show that Newt did in fact initiate that divorce -- which makes him a blatant liar, too. In any case, I'm inclined to believe the wife this happened to over the account of her daughter who was a child at that time (and earns easy money from her dad today.)

                    The hospital visit wasn't the end of it, either. Shortly after the cancer ward visit, Newt stopped paying alimony and child support. Jackie had to take Newt to court to get money out of him, and her Baptist church needed to take up a collection to get his kids food and prevent the utilities from being cut off. He has never apologized for this or admitted it was a mistake.

                    • 9 votes
                    Reply#11 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:34 AM EST

                    "It was a very, very bad period of my life," Newt has admitted. "It had been getting steadily worse. I ultimately wound up at a point where suicide, or going insane, or divorce were the last three options." What will he do when things get really tough? Inner Quest for Newt Gingrich

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#12 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:37 AM EST

                    There are few things any current candidate has done more hypocritical than Newt's corporate lobbying work for the mortgage giant Freddie Mac. You see, Newt has publicly attacked Freddie Mac for years, blaming it for the 2008 housing crash. Then we found out that they paid him $1.6 million, as he went around and tried to convince Republicans to vote for Freddie Mac's favorite bills (and against regulations on them). Newt denies he was lobbying -- because his work didn't meet some technical definitions of lobbying -- and claimed, ridiculously that they paid him to be a "historian." No historian in history has earned $1.6 million.
                    Newt didn't report to Freddie Mac's director of history. (Spoiler alert; no company has one.) He reported to Craig Thomas, who was in charge of lobbying for them (and a registered lobbyist himself). and paid Newt $25,000 a month. On January 24, 2012, Newt finally released his contract. Guess what is not described in his services? History. In fact, Newt admits that he only talked to Freddie Mac staff for about one hour per month. At $25,000/ hour, that's a lot of history for a mortgage lender.
                    And Freddie Mac is not the only company Newt lobbied for. He had dozens of corporate clients who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for his "services." He promoted his health care clients to legislators in Georgia or Florida who were considered changes in health care laws. He talked up projects that his clients IBM and HealthTrio were working on, to federal officials. He pushed for changes to Medicare that would enrich other clients of his. And one client, drug maker Novo Nordisk, described Newt's work this way in their annual report: "Such activities are often referred to as lobbying.”
                    Tampa, Fla., Debate Fact-Check by THE NEW YORK TIMES, January 23, 2012
                    Gingrich’s former firm releases Freddie Mac contract, by Dan Eggen, Washington Post, January 24, 2012
                    "Gingrich, Critic of 'Business as Usual,' Helps Out Special Interests Like 'Any Member of Congress'", Phil Kuntz, Wall Street Journal, April 3, 1995 pA16

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#13 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:41 AM EST

                    US Honor

                    Newt did not lobby. I know, he really pushes the line on things, this is guilt by association. There is a lack of evidence to prove he did and no evidence to say he didn't either.

                      #13.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:25 PM EST
                      Reply

                      "Newt Gingrich is playing out a personal agenda in a public forum, and it threatens the safety, health, and security of our most vulnerable people," says Mary Kahn. "And that's what frightens me about him. Someday he might be president." Kahn, a reporter who covered Newt in the mid-70s, also spent time with him socially until the early 80s as the wife of Chip Kahn, Gingrich's former campaign manager.

                      The personal agenda of which Mary Kahn speaks is deeper that any philosophical or material odyssey. As the Speaker himself said, "I found a way to immerse my insecurities in a cause large enough to justify whatever I wanted it to." Inspired by the books and movies that have been his guides, Newt Gingrich has created a revolution, a mighty quest, and cast himself as hero, the John Wayne who rescues the nation from economic self-destruction and moral chaos. His childhood --shaped by the rejection by not just one but two fathers, and the manic-depressive illness of his mother-- created a psychic need so great that only the praise that attends a savior can fill the vacuum inside him. He drives himself monomaniacally, obsessed only with his goal. No amount of personal deprivation --100-hour workweeks, no vacations, no time with his wife-- diminishes his narcissistic vision of the global glory that will ultimately be his prize.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#14 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:44 AM EST

                      Gingrich had become a prosperous man during his time in Congress,..The Washington Post reported last week that Gingrich’s web of enterprises ranging from a health care think tank to a documentary production company “generated close to $100 million in revenue over the past decade.”

                      The financial disclosure form Gingrich filed this summer as a presidential candidate reflects that prosperity.

                      The former Congressman now lists assets worth a minimum of $7.3 million — which does not include homes or other non-income-producing property — and millions more in income. His dividends from Gingrich Productions for the year before becoming a presidential candidate were just shy of $2.5 million, and his family-run talent agency paid him another $72,000. He reports no liabilities. Rollcall

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#15 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:50 AM EST

                      And who hasn't become wealthier by their service to the American people in Congress or the Senate???? We don't seem to have any former elected officials on the dole, without a place to live or food to eat.

                        #15.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:09 PM EST

                        Sue, Harry Truman didn't even collect a retirement after his term as president and paid for all of his personal expencives. There have been a few honest people.

                        • 2 votes
                        #15.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 6:48 PM EST
                        Reply

                        the former speaker claims to be a Reagan conservative. However in another article by the National Review Online by Elliot Abrams, former assistant secretary of state for Ronald Reagan and deputy national security adviser for the George W. Bush wrote that Gingrich was often not a loyal supporter of Ronald Reagan but "often spewed insulting rhetoric" back at the administration. Abrams wrote:

                        "He voted with the caucus, but his words should be remembered, for at the height of the bitter struggle with the Democratic leadership Gingrich chose to attack . . . Reagan."

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#16 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:52 AM EST

                        This, sadly is truth and reminds me of some of the claims made by Jessie Jackson about MLK.

                          #16.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:26 PM EST
                          Reply

                          Praise Jesus this religious-nut has no chance.

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#17 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 10:54 AM EST

                          Amen, brother!

                          • 2 votes
                          #17.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:33 PM EST
                          Reply

                          Anyone notice how paranoid Romney and his supporters are?

                          Romney destroyed computer records when he left the Governor's office. Something that not even Nixon was able to get away with.

                          Romney has repeated lashed out and blamed everyone else.

                          Romney repeatedly changes positions for fear that he may be held accountable.

                          Romney doesn't even try to defend the fact that as Governor he was 47 out of 50 in job creation. Clearly he doesn't know how to create jobs when he runs government.

                          Romney hired a debate coach who helped him win Florida, only to turn around and fire him because the coach was receiving praise for the change in Romney.

                          Paranoid people fire competent workers. Something Americans are all too familiar with.

                          • 9 votes
                          Reply#18 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:08 AM EST

                          Technically, he didn't destroy computer records. He had his staff purchase their work computers so that they could not be accessed by anyone else as they were then personal property.

                          • 3 votes
                          #18.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:04 PM EST

                          Iowa-guy

                          But that does sound sinister to me.

                            #18.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:00 PM EST

                            Philip - sounds doesn't cut it. I think there are far larger issues, like his negative campaigning and reluctance to remove blatantly false information or publicly criticize the Super Pack false adds. I see enough of that from the left, it should have no place any party.

                              #18.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:37 PM EST

                              Iowa Guy - Romney's people did not purchase the computers but the hard drives

                              See what's happening to Scott Walker now - his staff was campaigning on the tax payers dime - without these hard drives there would be no trail to link any such activities

                              • 1 vote
                              #18.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:08 AM EST
                              Reply

                              The two best candidates in the GOP is Paul and Santorum, too bad they are not capable or electable. If they only had the money to spend that Romney and Newty has they would be more out there and have a better chance. Otherwise listen to Newt, The day after Obama is defeated unemployment will go down, gas prices will go down, price of food will go down, cost of health care will go down.... Bull Crap! Anyone listening and believing this idiot needs a colonoscopy!

                              • 9 votes
                              Reply#19 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:10 AM EST

                              Every one of the republican candidates is hopelessly flawed. None should or will be in the White House. I am an independent and did not vote for Obama in the last election but this quartet makes even him look good. I think they could do the same thing for my dog.

                              • 8 votes
                              Reply#20 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:12 AM EST

                              I still say the best bet for the American people is that this gets drug out to the RNC without a clear winner allowing the delegates to draft a 5th option that is capable.

                              • 1 vote
                              #20.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:06 PM EST

                              not a bad idea, maybe we can get Jeb Bush, but it would be better yet to get Haley Barber

                                #20.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:03 PM EST
                                Reply

                                Iowa shows exactly why the Republican Party is so concerned about Voter Fraud: They are so Good at it! They know how to do it and They know when and where to do it! Remember Florida in 2000! Remember Wisconsin! Republicans take 40 hours to count 33,000 votes in Nevada because it takes a long time for the Powers to decide who they want to win!

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#21 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:17 AM EST

                                Iowa are rank amateurs to Voter Fraud. The terms "vote early and often" originated in Chicago where our illustrious President is from.

                                • 2 votes
                                #21.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:14 PM EST

                                Sue - I'm from Chicago - have you ever been there?

                                The Eisenhower Highway is marvelous - links directly into down town Chicago

                                Plus the Picasso sculpture in front of the Civic center is beautiful

                                You might want to read this story

                                Two Stories BOTH
                                TRUE - and worth reading!!!!


                                STORY NUMBER ONE

                                Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago . Capone wasn't famous
                                for anything heroic. He was notorious for enmeshing the windy city in
                                everything from bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder.

                                Capone had a lawyer nicknamed "Easy Eddie." He was Capone's
                                lawyer for a good reason. Eddie was very good! In fact, Eddie's skill at
                                legal maneuvering kept Big Al out of jail for a long time.

                                To show his appreciation, Capone paid him very well. Not only was the money
                                big, but Eddie got special dividends, as well. For instance, he and his
                                family occupied a fenced-in mansion with live-in help and all of the
                                conveniences of the day. The estate was so large that it filled an entire
                                Chicago City block.

                                Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago mob and gave little consideration
                                to the atrocity that went on around him.

                                Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved dearly.
                                Eddie saw to it that his young son had clothes, cars, and a good education.
                                Nothing was withheld. Price was no object.

                                And, despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried to
                                teach him right from wrong. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he
                                was.

                                Yet, with all his wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't
                                give his son; he couldn't pass on a good name or a good example.

                                One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Easy Eddie wanted to
                                rectify wrongs he had done.

                                He decided he would go to the authorities and tell the truth about Al
                                "Scarface" Capone, clean up his tarnished name, and offer his son
                                some semblance of integrity. To do this, he would have to testify against
                                The Mob, and he knew that the cost would be great. So, he testified.

                                Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended in a blaze of gunfire on a lonely
                                Chicago Street . But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest gift he
                                had to offer, at the greatest price he would ever pay. Police removed from
                                his pockets a rosary, a crucifix, a religious medallion, and a poem clipped
                                from a magazine.

                                The poem read:

                                "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell
                                just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour. Now is the only time
                                you own. Live, love, toil with a will. Place no faith in time. For the
                                clock may soon be still."


                                STORY NUMBER TWO

                                World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant Commander
                                Butch O'Hare.

                                He was a fighter pilot assigned to the aircraft carrier Lexington in the
                                South Pacific.

                                One day his entire squadron was sent on a mission. After he was airborne,
                                he looked at his fuel gauge and realized that someone had forgotten to top
                                off his fuel tank.

                                He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission and get back to his
                                ship.

                                His flight leader told him to return to the carrier. Reluctantly, he
                                dropped out of formation and headed back to the fleet.

                                As he was returning to the mother ship, he saw something that turned his
                                blood cold; a squadron of Japanese aircraft was speeding its way toward the
                                American Fleet.

                                The American fighters were gone on a sortie, and the fleet was all but
                                defenseless. He couldn't reach his squadron and bring them back in time to
                                save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the approaching danger.
                                There was only one thing to do. He must somehow divert them from the fleet.

                                Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove into the formation of
                                Japanese planes.. Wing-mounted 50 caliber's blazed as he charged in,
                                attacking one surprised enemy plane and then another. Butch wove in and out
                                of the now broken formation and fired at as many planes as possible until
                                all his ammunition was finally spent.

                                Undaunted, he continued the assault. He dove at the planes, trying to clip
                                a wing or tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as possible,
                                rendering them unfit to fly.

                                Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another direction.

                                Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter limped back to the
                                carrier.

                                Upon arrival, he reported in and related the event surrounding his return.
                                The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It showed
                                the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had, in fact,
                                destroyed five enemy aircraft. This took place on February 20, 1942, and
                                for that action Butch became the Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first
                                Naval Aviator to win the Medal of honor.

                                A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat at the age of 29. His home
                                town would not allow the memory of this WW II hero to fade, and today,
                                O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in tribute to the courage of this great
                                man.

                                So, the next time you find yourself at O'Hare International, give some
                                thought to visiting Butch's memorial displaying his statue and his medal of
                                Honor. It's located between Terminals 1 and 2.


                                SO WHAT DO THESE TWO STORIES HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER?

                                Butch O'Hare was "Easy Eddie's" son..

                                --

                                Two Stories BOTH
                                TRUE - and worth reading!!!!


                                STORY NUMBER ONE

                                Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago . Capone wasn't famous
                                for anything heroic. He was notorious for enmeshing the windy city in
                                everything from bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder.

                                Capone had a lawyer nicknamed "Easy Eddie." He was Capone's
                                lawyer for a good reason. Eddie was very good! In fact, Eddie's skill at
                                legal maneuvering kept Big Al out of jail for a long time.

                                To show his appreciation, Capone paid him very well. Not only was the money
                                big, but Eddie got special dividends, as well. For instance, he and his
                                family occupied a fenced-in mansion with live-in help and all of the
                                conveniences of the day. The estate was so large that it filled an entire
                                Chicago City block.

                                Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago mob and gave little consideration
                                to the atrocity that went on around him.

                                Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved dearly.
                                Eddie saw to it that his young son had clothes, cars, and a good education.
                                Nothing was withheld. Price was no object.

                                And, despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried to
                                teach him right from wrong. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he
                                was.

                                Yet, with all his wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't
                                give his son; he couldn't pass on a good name or a good example.

                                One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Easy Eddie wanted to
                                rectify wrongs he had done.

                                He decided he would go to the authorities and tell the truth about Al
                                "Scarface" Capone, clean up his tarnished name, and offer his son
                                some semblance of integrity. To do this, he would have to testify against
                                The Mob, and he knew that the cost would be great. So, he testified.

                                Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended in a blaze of gunfire on a lonely
                                Chicago Street . But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest gift he
                                had to offer, at the greatest price he would ever pay. Police removed from
                                his pockets a rosary, a crucifix, a religious medallion, and a poem clipped
                                from a magazine.

                                The poem read:

                                "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell
                                just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour. Now is the only time
                                you own. Live, love, toil with a will. Place no faith in time. For the
                                clock may soon be still."


                                STORY NUMBER TWO

                                World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant Commander
                                Butch O'Hare.

                                He was a fighter pilot assigned to the aircraft carrier Lexington in the
                                South Pacific.

                                One day his entire squadron was sent on a mission. After he was airborne,
                                he looked at his fuel gauge and realized that someone had forgotten to top
                                off his fuel tank.

                                He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission and get back to his
                                ship.

                                His flight leader told him to return to the carrier. Reluctantly, he
                                dropped out of formation and headed back to the fleet.

                                As he was returning to the mother ship, he saw something that turned his
                                blood cold; a squadron of Japanese aircraft was speeding its way toward the
                                American Fleet.

                                The American fighters were gone on a sortie, and the fleet was all but
                                defenseless. He couldn't reach his squadron and bring them back in time to
                                save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the approaching danger.
                                There was only one thing to do. He must somehow divert them from the fleet.

                                Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove into the formation of
                                Japanese planes.. Wing-mounted 50 caliber's blazed as he charged in,
                                attacking one surprised enemy plane and then another. Butch wove in and out
                                of the now broken formation and fired at as many planes as possible until
                                all his ammunition was finally spent.

                                Undaunted, he continued the assault. He dove at the planes, trying to clip
                                a wing or tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as possible,
                                rendering them unfit to fly.

                                Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another direction.

                                Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter limped back to the
                                carrier.

                                Upon arrival, he reported in and related the event surrounding his return.
                                The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It showed
                                the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had, in fact,
                                destroyed five enemy aircraft. This took place on February 20, 1942, and
                                for that action Butch became the Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first
                                Naval Aviator to win the Medal of honor.

                                A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat at the age of 29. His home
                                town would not allow the memory of this WW II hero to fade, and today,
                                O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in tribute to the courage of this great
                                man.

                                So, the next time you find yourself at O'Hare International, give some
                                thought to visiting Butch's memorial displaying his statue and his medal of
                                Honor. It's located between Terminals 1 and 2.


                                SO WHAT DO THESE TWO STORIES HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER?

                                Butch O'Hare was "Easy Eddie's" son..

                                --

                                Two Stories BOTH
                                TRUE - and worth reading!!!!


                                STORY NUMBER ONE

                                Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago . Capone wasn't famous
                                for anything heroic. He was notorious for enmeshing the windy city in
                                everything from bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder.

                                Capone had a lawyer nicknamed "Easy Eddie." He was Capone's
                                lawyer for a good reason. Eddie was very good! In fact, Eddie's skill at
                                legal maneuvering kept Big Al out of jail for a long time.

                                To show his appreciation, Capone paid him very well. Not only was the money
                                big, but Eddie got special dividends, as well. For instance, he and his
                                family occupied a fenced-in mansion with live-in help and all of the
                                conveniences of the day. The estate was so large that it filled an entire
                                Chicago City block.

                                Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago mob and gave little consideration
                                to the atrocity that went on around him.

                                Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved dearly.
                                Eddie saw to it that his young son had clothes, cars, and a good education.
                                Nothing was withheld. Price was no object.

                                And, despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried to
                                teach him right from wrong. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he
                                was.

                                Yet, with all his wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't
                                give his son; he couldn't pass on a good name or a good example.

                                One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Easy Eddie wanted to
                                rectify wrongs he had done.

                                He decided he would go to the authorities and tell the truth about Al
                                "Scarface" Capone, clean up his tarnished name, and offer his son
                                some semblance of integrity. To do this, he would have to testify against
                                The Mob, and he knew that the cost would be great. So, he testified.

                                Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended in a blaze of gunfire on a lonely
                                Chicago Street . But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest gift he
                                had to offer, at the greatest price he would ever pay. Police removed from
                                his pockets a rosary, a crucifix, a religious medallion, and a poem clipped
                                from a magazine.

                                The poem read:

                                "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell
                                just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour. Now is the only time
                                you own. Live, love, toil with a will. Place no faith in time. For the
                                clock may soon be still."


                                STORY NUMBER TWO

                                World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant Commander
                                Butch O'Hare.

                                He was a fighter pilot assigned to the aircraft carrier Lexington in the
                                South Pacific.

                                One day his entire squadron was sent on a mission. After he was airborne,
                                he looked at his fuel gauge and realized that someone had forgotten to top
                                off his fuel tank.

                                He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission and get back to his
                                ship.

                                His flight leader told him to return to the carrier. Reluctantly, he
                                dropped out of formation and headed back to the fleet.

                                As he was returning to the mother ship, he saw something that turned his
                                blood cold; a squadron of Japanese aircraft was speeding its way toward the
                                American Fleet.

                                The American fighters were gone on a sortie, and the fleet was all but
                                defenseless. He couldn't reach his squadron and bring them back in time to
                                save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the approaching danger.
                                There was only one thing to do. He must somehow divert them from the fleet.

                                Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove into the formation of
                                Japanese planes.. Wing-mounted 50 caliber's blazed as he charged in,
                                attacking one surprised enemy plane and then another. Butch wove in and out
                                of the now broken formation and fired at as many planes as possible until
                                all his ammunition was finally spent.

                                Undaunted, he continued the assault. He dove at the planes, trying to clip
                                a wing or tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as possible,
                                rendering them unfit to fly.

                                Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another direction.

                                Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter limped back to the
                                carrier.

                                Upon arrival, he reported in and related the event surrounding his return.
                                The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It showed
                                the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had, in fact,
                                destroyed five enemy aircraft. This took place on February 20, 1942, and
                                for that action Butch became the Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first
                                Naval Aviator to win the Medal of honor.

                                A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat at the age of 29. His home
                                town would not allow the memory of this WW II hero to fade, and today,
                                O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in tribute to the courage of this great
                                man.

                                So, the next time you find yourself at O'Hare International, give some
                                thought to visiting Butch's memorial displaying his statue and his medal of
                                Honor. It's located between Terminals 1 and 2.


                                SO WHAT DO THESE TWO STORIES HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER?

                                Butch O'Hare was "Easy Eddie's" son..

                                --

                                • 2 votes
                                #21.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:14 AM EST

                                Sorry about the repeat - couldn't fix it in time - but it still is a great story and anyone flying into O'Hare should think about it

                                • 2 votes
                                #21.3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:24 AM EST
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                                Sorry, did I miss something? When did Ron Paul drop out of the race? Dozens of stories on all the other 3, but not a word on the guy that want's to run the country according to the constitution (what a novel idea). I DID see that Newt was concerned about running 3rd or 4th. Who would he be running 4th to? Bah, mainstream media hasn't given this guy a fair shake since day 1.

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#22 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:17 AM EST

                                Mr. Paul has many passionate supporters but face reality. He doesn't have a broad appeal. His extreme libertarian views and isolationist outlook will never garner popular support. The powers-to-be will never allow him to be president.

                                • 4 votes
                                #22.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST

                                The funny thing about Dr. Paul is that while he doesn't have a chance in hell in winning the nomination, his ideas are obviously the future of the party. The GOP of the future will be ruled by the libertarians, not the social conservatives.

                                • 1 vote
                                #22.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:32 PM EST
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                                Well if you can get past the ick of bringing a dead fetus to your house and the other kooky stuff I guess he is still a rightwingnut

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#23 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST

                                Santorum sounds good but has no executive experience - Obama conservative. In way over his head.

                                  Reply#24 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST

                                  Why is Santorum still in the race? He'll never get the nomination and even if he did, Obama would beat him in a huge landslide. His views are so out of the mainstream, he would never appeal to the the moderate voters. He couldn't even carry his own state of Pennsylvania. He should quietly drop out and go away. He's an embarrassment to our country.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  Reply#25 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST

                                  r bELL THe answer to your quesTion is "NaTURE ABHORS A VACUUM.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #25.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:59 PM EST
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