Romney campaign tries to throw cold water on poll showing Obama beating Romney

 

The Mitt Romney campaign is pushing back against a new Washington Post/ABC poll out today, showing President Obama ahead of Romney 51%-45% because of what its pollster sees as a questionnaire design flaw.

"Well, there’s a good reason why," Romney pollster Neil Newhouse writes in a campaign-released memo about why Obama is over 50%. "The poll introduced specific negative information about Governor Romney immediately prior to asking the ballot match-up against President Obama."

Newhouse continues, "So, immediately prior to the President ballot test, this poll introduced information regarding Romney’s background and suggested 'he cut jobs,' 'he benefited from opportunities that are not available to other people,' 'he is not paying his fair share of taxes,' and that his Mormon religion might be a factor not to support himm.' While I certainly understand the difficulty of designing a questionnaire to learn as much information as possible about a campaign, and the compromises that sometimes have to be made, the questionnaire design used by the Post/ABC Poll in this case is seriously flawed."

(Newhouse works for Public Opinion Strategies, the GOP polling firm that also conducts the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll with Hart Research, a Democratic firm.)

Mark Blumenthall of pollster.com tweeted: "Newhouse has a point: Odd choice to ask about candidate negs before vote, but they did ask 2 each about Romney, Gingrich & Obama."

*** UPDATE *** Washington Post pollster Jon Cohen offers this response: "We take question writing and ordering seriously, as both can make differences. We also welcome discussion on these, but note the movement on the horse race numbers under scrutiny is in sync with the trend on answers throughout the poll. The result is also in line with other publicly released polls. That said, we publish our full questionnaires - with exact question wording - for just such scrutiny."

Full memo below:

TO:                  INTERESTED PARTIES

FROM:            NEIL NEWHOUSE

SUBJECT:      THE WASHINGTON POST/ABC NEWS POLL

DATE:             FEBRUARY 6, 2012

The Washington Post/ABC News just released their most recent national poll regarding the mood of the country and the state of the Presidential campaign.  Their headline is “Obama holds edge over Romney in general election matchup, poll finds,” and the writers make the point that the ballot match-up between President Obama and Governor Romney is the first time Obama has ever received more than 50% of the vote among registered voters.

Well, there’s a good reason why.  The poll introduced specific negative information about Governor Romney immediately prior to asking the ballot match-up against President Obama.

The specifics:

The ballot test matching Obama and Romney was asked on question 32 of the questionnaire.

Question 28:  In his work as a corporate investor, do you think Mitt Romney did more to (create jobs) or more to (cut jobs)?

Question 29: Do you think of Romney’s wealth as more of a (positive because it suggests he has achieved the American dream) or as more of a (negative because it suggests he benefited from opportunities that are not available to most people)?

Question 30: Romney paid about a 14% federal tax rate on income of about 22 million dollars last year.  Do you think he is or is not paying his fair share of taxes?

Question 31: For each item I name, please tell me if it is a major reason to (support) that candidate, a major reason to (oppose) that candidate, or not a major factor?

  1. Romney’s business experience
  2. Romney’s Mormon religion
  3. Gingrich’s performance as Speaker of the House in the early 1990’s.
  4. Gingrich’s consulting work for companies with an interest in federal policymaking.
  5. Obama’s handling of the economy.
  6. Obama’s handling of the threat of terrorism.

So, immediately prior to the President ballot test, this poll introduced information regarding Romney’s background and suggested “he cut jobs,” “he benefited from opportunities that are not available to other people,” “he is not paying his fair share of taxes,” and that his Mormon religion might be a factor not to support him.

While I certainly understand the difficulty of designing a questionnaire to learn as much information as possible about a campaign, and the compromises that sometimes have to be made, the questionnaire design used by the Post/ABC Poll in this case is seriously flawed. 

Their Presidential ballot test is pretty clearly tainted by the questions asked immediately prior to the ballot, resulting in what some would call a “pushed” ballot.  A pollster can’t ask or suggest specific negatives on a candidate immediately prior to a ballot test and expect to get anything other than a biased result.

The ABC/Washington Post poll is rightly highly regarded for its careful design and the quality of its information.  Survey design is complicated, but this is one of those times when a mistake was made and should not be repeated in the future.

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Polls this far out from an election are meaningless. This one apparently more so than others.

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#1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 12:56 PM EST

"The poll introduced specific negative information about Governor Romney immediately prior to asking the ballot match-up against President Obama."

Does this moron think the negatives aren't going to get out...? lol

I seen some contortions in my time, but this one has to rank near the top!

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#1.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:07 PM EST

Its funny when mitt the ripper was up the tea bags were saying mitt's the next president. Why the change now?

Obama Biden 2012

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#1.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST

TO: INTERESTED PARTIES


Keep spinning Right wingers certainly have spunk

But Right wingers you are being punk'd.

FYI: In a Pew Research Center survey conducted in early October, 57% of lower-income Republican and Republican-leaning voters said the government does too little for poor people. Just 18% said it does too much.

OBAMA DID IT!

A Short List of Barack Obama’s Major Progressive Achievements Thus Far

The president has achieved a tremendous amount under the circumstances. And it matters greatly that he not be replaced by Mitt Romney, Gringrich, or Santorum. Or even Ron Paul.

http://obamaachievements.org/

Nobody but Obama

Obama/Biden 2012


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#1.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:23 PM EST

If national polls aren't scaring Republicans yet, how about the electoral college vote?

Currently President Obama leads in the following states.

WA, OR, CA, NV, CO, NM, MN, WI, IL, MI, OH, PA, NY, VT, NH, ME, MA, RI, CT, NJ, DE, MD, DC, and HI.

284 total electoral votes is 14 more votes than needed to win the Presidency.

Obama was only statistically tied in VA, NC, FL, IA, and gets two votes from NE which splits it's electoral votes. This was before the good news on the economy and the bad news Romney generated.

This would bring Obama's total to 349.

And MO, AZ, and GA are within striking distance for Obama's campaign.

This would bring Obama's total to 386.

Not to mention that all we've been listening to is the GOP candidates negative ads and debates pounding the President since the last election. As Obama said, once the GOP votes the losers off the island the campaign will begin in earnest. But where will the GOP get their electoral votes from???

Fantasy Island....

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#1.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST

Just ask one question: who do you plan to vote for between Romney and Obama?

mike I thought Ohio, Mi, Pa were toss up states?

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#1.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST

I love the spin of Mr. Newhouse crying about questions that immediately proceed the question about preference between Romney and Obama. Did Mr. Newhouse fail to miss the 4th questions which comes long before any of the other questions?

4. Based on his performance in office so far, would you say Obama deserves a second term as president, or not?

50% Yes

48% No

2% No Opinion

---------------------------------------------

So between question 4 and 32 with all these specific negative questions about Romney, Obama improved by 1% and Romney went down by 3%.

Cry me a freaken river. If I was a Conservative I'd say Mr. Newhouse sounds like a whining Liberal. Romney should worry more about his message and less about making excuses. 50% think Obama deserves another term based on the poll and the Romney campaign hasn't been putting forward any specifics to persuade any of that 50% to vote for him instead.

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#1.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST

That's quite a compilation of electoral votes you've posted Mike. Care to tell everyone where those current stats have been posted? Just curious because the DNC, the president and most dem supporters are very concerned about the number of 'swing' states and the outcome of the election.

The way you tell it, there's really no reason for the President to even campaign. Hell, by your figures, the election is already over! LMFAO!!

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#1.7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST

Everything was fact based. Apparently it is "push" polling if the survey is honest. Okay, so it is biased in focus on negatives about Teapublicans, but it is truthful. The question about "the country going in the right direction" is so vague as to be useless. At least this survey drills down and gets at the real opinion of voters.

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#1.8 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:59 PM EST

This breed of republicans will do and say anything to win an election. Why be surprise they are mean spirited people.

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#1.9 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST

I've got no use for Willard Mittens Romney, but his campaign people are absolutely right to point out the order of questions very likely influenced the results to his detriment and to Obama's benefit. Especially the question about Romney's religion But if the Obama campaign raises the same questions about Romney as were asked in the poll, it will likely have the same impact on the REAL poll of the electorate next November.

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#1.10 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST

BTW: I didn't mean to imply that the Obama campaign should "raise questions" about Romney's religion. They should stay away from that completely, and I'm sure that they will. But questions about Romney's business dealings, his overseas bank accounts, and his callousness toward the poor are certainly legitimate.

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#1.11 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST

They said he won big in Vegas we have 3 + million people in Vegas .Romney got 15K votes out of 3 million.Its was only his cult members who voted for him ..In the real world 52% of the people cant stomach this hyped up idiot and don't trust him either. Getting the Vegas Mob money was a huge mistake and then to top it ..Donald Frump endorses him ..another huge mistake .Two rich guys taking care of them self's and their rich friends .. At 51% for Obama its obvious who the people want .

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#1.12 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST

To the Romney Handlers: Please stop whining-if this meaningless poll is something to somehow complain about- then Mr. Romney's beanbags and politics comment in answer to his own negative campaign tactics would appear to be somewhat disingenuous.

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#1.13 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:40 PM EST

nisl has a point - these polls really are meaningless. You can find all sorts of examples of polls from early in the election year that look nothing like the November results. But Feisty has a point as well. All of these negatives are going to be pressed when this contest goes from intramural to general election mode. In some ways, that is modern politics - a contest of which campaign can push up the negatives more for their opponent, before their opponent does the same to their candidate.

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#1.14 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST

Beverly, What has Obama done about the plight of the Native Americans living right here! Do a little research on that one. The first problem is Ignorance. To some of you out there can do without the racist remarks. Don't think Ive heard anything from Romney on that one either? Time we all get our heads out of the sand.

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#1.15 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST

I have a serious question for the liberals. Let's say Obama wins in 2012. Will he stop campaigning then and get down to some actual work and start helping this nation get past our economic troubles?

It's a serious question... How about some serious answers.

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#1.16 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST

nisl, you are absolutely correct. But, there is some bad news for ObamaNIACS in this particular poll.

Popular incumbants usually draw closer to 60% in polls taken this far out, and challengers usually never get much more than 35%.

This poll has Obama leading Romney by only 6%, with a margin of error that could make the true numbers within 3 percentage points.

I wouldn't "harp" on this poll if I were an Obama supporter. It aint THAT good for him!

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#1.17 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST

[It's a serious question... How about some serious answers.]

Brianb, if you can't figure it out by now it is only the result of your closed mind.

...thanks for playing...

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#1.18 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:31 PM EST

If polls this early in the campaign are meaningless, then why are we subjected to them each and every day, sometimes twice a day?

I'm inclined to agree that it is just like predicting the weather 10 months in advance, but when the poll numbers are not positive for the President, GNOP'ers spout them as if they came right out of the Book of Revelations!

Just sayin'

Obama/Biden

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#1.19 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 4:06 PM EST

Let's say Obama wins in 2012

Okay, I'll say it.

Will he stop campaigning then and get down to some actual work and start helping this nation get past our economic troubles?

When the Party on No either gets on board, or out of the way, yes.

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#1.20 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 4:38 PM EST

I detect a consensus forming on this thread that polls are meaningless this far out. The GOP has not nominated their candidates yet.

I will wait until late this summer/fall to start watching the polls

In the meantime, unemployment is 8.3% and here in MN it is 5.9%.

The straw poll which is non binding at GOP caucuses tomorrow night will be a great source of spin by the GOP nominees.

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#1.21 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 5:39 PM EST

does anyone out there believe that unemployment is 8.3 %? there are multiple companies laying off people everyday. the government recently changed ways to tabulate unemployment. it is much higher than that. i am not drinking obama's kool-aid or eating his chicken. i predict within the next several months the liberal media will be unable to save obumer.

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#1.22 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 8:15 PM EST

Well, I know who was in favor of the Clint Eastwood commercial on the super bowl halftime. The American people are not so easily counted out now, are they Republicans?

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#1.23 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 9:31 PM EST

Brianb-999431........Amazing how you feel that Obama invented the idea of an incumbent campaigning for re election. Please give me a list of the last 10 incumbents who did NOT campaign for re election.......

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#1.24 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:09 AM EST

Does this moron think the negatives aren't going to get out...? lol

Not only WILL they get out but they SHOULD. By a 2 to 1 margin poll respondents said the more they learn about Romney the less they like him, as opposed to the opposite.

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#1.25 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:36 AM EST
Reply

Sorry Mitt, if the shoe fits, wear it! And it does fit you, buddy, yes indeed, it most certainly does. by the way, green is not your best color mittens.

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Reply#2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST

So, immediately prior to the President ballot test, this poll introduced information regarding Romney’s background ...

Typical RNC-TEA double standard whine. I guess they know that their only possible glimmer of hope is to keep voters UNINFORMED about their candidate's background.

As usual they are taking the position: If you can't win a fair contest, BUY IT; If you can't buy it, CHEAT!

Boo-hoo...

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#2.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 5:01 PM EST

No, The Teabaggers are working hard on making sure the poor can't vote. That's their other hope.

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#2.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 9:32 PM EST
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Don't really care about national polls...

the only ones that matter are the tossup states.

It's not like Romeny will win California, NY, NJ or Illinois and not likley Obama is going to win long held GOP states

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Reply#3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST

Mitt and his sidekicks are so deluded. One thing is certain, the train has sure left the terminal and all GOP are seeing is smoke.

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#3.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:08 PM EST

Buddy,

True, but there are five toss ups that matter. Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida. Obama needs two or three of the five to win. He is currently leading in four of the five states and is statistically tied in the fifth. So tell me, under what mathematical miracle does Romney win?

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#3.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:13 PM EST
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Newhouse continues, "So, immediately prior to the President ballot test, this poll introduced information regarding Romney’s background and suggested 'he cut jobs,' 'he benefited from opportunities that are not available to other people,' 'he is not paying his fair share of taxes,' and that his Mormon religion might be a factor not to support him.'

They asked negatives about Obama also. So, in Mitt's case, which of these "negatives" is not true, and which might he be willing to change before the election? The fact that he cut jobs and "likes to fire people", the fact that he's benefited from opportunities that are not available to other people, the fact that he's not paying his perceived fair share of taxes, or the fact that he's a Mormon???????

Romney already has more flip flops than the shoe check girl at a Baghdad mosque. Stay tuned, I smell some more major Romney flip flops coming........maybe he'll convert to Judaism...or refile his taxes....

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Reply#4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:04 PM EST

You're right Mike. Romney probably will continue to flip-flop on issues and his "stances". That seems to be the new political correctness in our country.

I also remember when Obama took a stance against gay marriage; then stood behind it. He promised he wouldn't accept money from special interest groups, then did. He promised to close Gitmo then decided against it. He said there should be off-shore drilling, then not, then changed back again.

Both sides of the aisle are filled with liars, cheats and people who will say anything to get elected.

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#4.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST
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Many more polls and I'll be looking for a pole to beat myself over the head!

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Reply#5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST

I won't stop you.

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#5.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST
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TOG, There are way too many polls .

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Reply#6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST

Liberal media caught in the act !

So when is a poll not a poll? When it is a liberal propaganda session, followed by a question to see if you listened well enough to the liberal propaganda...

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Reply#7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST

...nice avatar bOb...

...Nobody But Obama, eh? Way to champion the cause!

God bless you, son.

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#7.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST

Ha give me a break republicans have never had one nice thing to say about the president from day one of his election and Mitt and Newt still poll behind him. The problems republicans have is that too many people are sick of them blaming the president for problems largely created before his election and the republican controlled House of reps and republicans in the senate failure to produce or cooperate on any solutions whatsoever. Do you seriously believe these whiny crybabies will be rewarded with the oval office? Do you seriously believe that the majority of Americans lay all the blame at the feet of one man who has been in office for a mere three years? It's irrational and I don't think the majority of Americans are as irrational as republicans wish them to be.

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#7.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:36 PM EST

Bob, if that very same media had Romney winning would they still be "caught in the act"? Would it still be propaganda (like FOX is for the right)? Blaming the media does one thing it pisses off the media and they are less likely to present stories with good things about the candidate who is pissing them off then his opponent. Keep up the good work there, Bob.

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#7.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST

Forrest my man...hows it going?

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#7.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST

It's going well Mickey, I went to DC the week before last, now I am as busy as a one eyed dog in a sausage shop. Thanks for asking!

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#7.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST

Bob,

So, that ony leaves Romney with his "strength" .....Prior business experience.....

VULTURE CAPITALIST WILLARD "MITT" ROMNEY TOOK $4 MILLION IN GOV'T MONEY FOR HIMSELF.....

Having the money isn't nearly as important as how they got it....Romney got government bank bailout money...our tax money...to increase his personal fortune. Now, he tries to present himself as an anti-government spending candidate.

While at Bain, the consulting firm Romney was trying to save from the brink of bankruptcy, “was rescued with a federal bailout of $10 million’’ and Romney “made $4 million on this deal.’’

Romney basically negotiated about a $10 million reduction in the $38 million the firm owed the failed Bank of New England, which had been taken over by the FDIC, a federal agency funded by insurance premiums paid by banks. The $4 million bonus Romney's Bain Capital took represented interest the firm did not have to pay as a result of the loan forgiveness, the Boston Globe reported.

VULTURE CAPITALIST WILLARD “MITT” ROMNEY’S VAST "JOB CREATION" EXPERIENCE

Romney parried the question, noting that Bain Capital had launched Staples and Sports Authority.

"We didn't take things apart and cut them off and sell them off," Romney said. "We instead helped start businesses."

OK Mitt, what kind of businesses are you claiming you created?

STAPLES AND SPORTS AUTHORITY WAGES CAN’T SUPPORT A FAMILY OF 3

Average pay at Staples and Sports Authority is $8.95/hour according to www.glassdoor.com

The federal poverty level for a family of three is $18,530.00

Average pay at Mitt’s start up companies is just $86 over the poverty level for a family of three.

STAPLES DOWNSIZING /CLOSING LOCATIONS

Chain store news -May 18, 2011 Framingham, Mass. -- Staples reported Wednesday that first-quarter profit results were softer than expected, and the company slashed its full-year earnings guidance and said it is scaling back on new store construction. Same-store sales slipped another1%.

The retailer now expects to be closing 10 stores, Reuters reported. In addition, Staples is also in the process of "trimming significant square footage" from its current 18,000-sq.-ft. format, Sargent said. He also said the chain "plans to be aggressive in reducing the size of existing stores," as it has about 500 leases up for renewal over the next three years.

STAPLES INTENTIONALLY UNDERPAYS EMPLOYEES

Chain Store News Jan. 28, 2010 - Framingham, Mass. Staples said Friday that it has agreed to pay $42 million to settle several class-action lawsuits related to overtime pay violations. Staples will also drop its appeal of a verdict against the company last year in New Jersey; the $42 million settlement amount includes those associated with the prior New Jersey verdict. The settlement is subject to court approval. It resolves claims dating back to 2002 and covers more than 5,550 current and former employees.

STAPLES VIOLATES PATENT LAWS

http://tacticalip.com/2011/01/13/bad-tactics-staples-stapler/

A lawsuit filed in 2007 against office supply mogul Staples accused Staples of infringing on three of Accentra’s PaperPro patents. A federal jury in California agreed with Accentra last December.

“We created the best staplers in the world, only to have Staples intentionally try to steal our technology,” PaperPro CEO Todd Moses said.

Apparently, Staples met with Accentra in September 2003. Back then, Accentra was shooting for a distribution deal with Staples and offered them a sample of its “One-Touch” spring-powered stapler.

When Staples showed Accentra it’s own “internally developed” stapler technology, Accentra said that Staples’ product raised patent infringement issues. According to the suit, a Staples official even told Accentra executives: “We have tried to work around your patents and have failed.” Nice.

Critics raved and raved over Staples’ (infringing) spring-loaded stapler, while Staples basked in the stapley glow of its game-changing stapler.

In a line sure to be imitated in cease-and-desist letters for ages, Accentra’s suit stated, “While imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, imitation by way of patent infringement is theft.”

Since the jury determined that the Staples’ infringement was willful, there is a possibility of treble damages and injunctive relief, and possibly legal fees as well. Federal District Judge Audrey Collins will probably rule on damages (the jury awarded a total of $2.2 million, which the judge could change) in the first quarter of 2011

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#7.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST

I am impressed at the facts you presented about Romney. I only wish more people could read your post. You have really done your homework.

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#7.7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 11:09 PM EST
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Classic Romney-speak. He'd be better served by his aides if they pointed out that the poll is early and that they are within striking distance of the President. Also the percentage margin-of-error allows them reasonably to conclude that Romney is not very far off the President.

I'm sure they would have embraced a poll showing them up 51-46%.

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Reply#8 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST

So, as long as the voters don't find out Romney came from a privileged background, paid a 14% tax rate on his fortune, and is Mormon, he has a better chance of winning?

Perhaps the Republicans should have found someone elese to run, if these characteristics are that much of a problem?

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Reply#9 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:23 PM EST

So it just takes a couple of negative questions to knock Romney down...how interesting!

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Reply#10 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST

Ursula ... you win the Astute Comment of the Day award.

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#10.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:41 PM EST
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Don't worry Willard...perhaps you could become a "Butcher"....look how well you did on the "National Anthem".

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Reply#11 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST

That would be America the Beautiful...but I'm splitting hairs...he still BUTCHERED IT!

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#11.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:33 PM EST

Thanks Mikey, NY

My mistake

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#11.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST

eye2eye-3869672

Don't worry Willard...perhaps you could become a "Butcher"....look how well you did on the "National Anthem".

ROFL, that is too funny and so true. My guess is even though he ripped "America the Beautiful" the same could be expected for the "National Anthem"; (literally & figuratively)

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#11.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:56 PM EST

e2e...as Bob Ross so eloquently put it, there are no mistakes...only happy accidents.

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#11.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST

As bad as Mitt was singing America the Beautiful, just think how he would have sounded on the high note of the National Anthem.

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#11.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST

When will Mitt do a set down interview with any of the other networks besides FOX?

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#11.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:56 PM EST

Job1,

Romney will agree to appear on a non-Faux network when the other networks agree not to question him about his past tax returns, his Swiss and Bahamian bank accounts, his time at Bain Capital, how many jobs he created that aren't minimum wage and are still in existence, why it's OK for him to take taxpayer/government money in commissions for a bank bailout, but it's not OK for the banks to take the money in the first place, and the 50 plus times he's contradicted himself on abortion, capital gains taxes, guns and NRA, and health care mandates....in other words....NEVER!......

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#11.7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST

Good answer Mike.

    #11.8 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:52 PM EST

    Wow Jody--that really staggers the imagination! Thank you for a great laugh!

    "We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly

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    #11.9 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:54 PM EST

    That would be America the Beautiful...but I'm splitting hairs...he still BUTCHERED IT!

    The reason Mitts performance lacks a bit was unlike the fool in the White House he doesnt stand in front of the mirror and sing Al Greene's " I'm so in love with you" to himself.

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    #11.10 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:58 PM EST
    Reply

    Thanks fo catching that Mikey,Ny

    My mistake.

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    Reply#12 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST

    If Romney doesn't get conservatives excited and liberals think he is one of the 1%, I don't see how he can win a general election. I know this may come as a shock to those in the Fox News Bubble, but there are not enough people who will vote for Anyone But Obama to give the election to an opponent. The Florida primaries and Nevada caucuses both had lower turnouts than they did in 2008. This does not bode well for the Republicans.

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    Reply#13 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:36 PM EST

    low turnout doesn't equate to interest. Many didn't vote because it seemed Romney was inevitable.

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    #13.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST

    this is a continuing trend- iowa did not have a blow out turnout either- neither did Florida but I do believe S. Carolina did have a bigger turnout.

    Admit it the Republican party is not excited about any of the candidates in in this election year with a Kenyan Marxist in the White House and you are lucky to equal the turnout of 4 years ago?

    Spin it however you want- no enthusiam for the RepubliCONS

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    #13.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:21 PM EST

    Dirt I suppose those that didn't turn out were thinking "Gee, I support Romney and all I have to do is not vote." ROFLMAO

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    #13.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 9:42 PM EST

    Dirt is right about Willard being the Repug nominee. That's as far as he will get, and we will not be subjected to this man again.

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    #13.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:29 AM EST
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    One poll can be dismissed as an outlier. The ABC News poll is interesting because if crosses the 50% mark but it's nothing unless you see similar results from other polls and other organizations.

    I'm going to keep watching this, for starters...

    www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

    As to the question of an Electoral College map, they've got that covered as well.

    www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

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    Reply#14 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST

    Nice map.

    So Obama needs Florida, Pennsylvania and any third state to win it.

    Florida is always toss-up, but doesn't PN usually sway Dem? Howsabout Iowa, which is also pretty strongly Dem historically? Ohio? Wisconsin? Pensylvania?

    Mitt's best chance is to have Obama scream 'I hate white people' from the presidential podium in the near future. Otherwise, it looks like Obama for another 4.

    And to make it worse, National Popular Vote Interstate Compact will make it all redundant as it comes down to whomever wins the popular vote if it's passed.

    Funny part is...republicans never win a general election, and their strategy relies on grabbing up states with smaller delegation. Yet 60% of republican favor the compact. It would destroy their party but they're still supportive.

    Something to think about.

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    #14.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST
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    "The poll introduced specific negative information about Governor Romney immediately prior to asking the ballot match-up against President Obama."

    ^ Yeah, that will all go away once we find out what a great guy Willard actually is.

    bwahahahaha.

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    Reply#15 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST

    The Romney camp can throw all the cold water they want on the poll but there are other polls out there showing the same thing. Besides that, it was the GOP candidates like Gingrich, Perry, and friends who brought those "negatives" to the surface. Does the Romney camp think only they can bring up what is favorable to Mitt and expect that the negative facts about Romney will not surface? Romney's "I don't care about the very poor", in or out of context, along with his taxes, his Swiss, Bermuda and Cayman Island accounts probably has far more to do with the poll results than the questions asked.

    I've received a lot of poll calls which are push polls, they generally come from the right, religious candidates. I've also received poll calls similar to the one in question--first they ask the question directly about supporting whoever; then they ask a serious of questions relating to policies that person may or may not have supported, then ask if that impacts my view about the candidate or the???. It isn't that they are trying to push for a particular answer, they are instead trying to gauge voter reactions to other information regarding that candidate or that policy.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#16 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST

    Complete BS. What did you expect from the Romney Campaign? President Obama is besting Romney and will easily beat him in November because President Obama has more supporters, more money, actual presidential experience, and because he is doing an excellent job as President. Anyone with an IQ above their shoe size understands what Obama inherited. He inherited the republican created Great Recession, 2 failed wars, $4 trillion in deficit, a failing Wall St and Financial system, a Health Care crises and many other crises from the failed Republicans, who had been in control of both houses of Congress from 1994-2006 and the US Presidency from 2000-2008. Contrary to the republican's lies and false memes, the facts speak an entirely different story of President Obama. Too bad so many people in this country are so stupid they believe the first negative information they hear regarding any person. Why? because they themselves are negative. As for Romney, he LOST JOBS when he was Governor of Massachusetts. We voters quickly gave Mitt the boot after 1 term and elected a Democrat, who eventually fixed our economy after Romney screwed it up. CHECK THE FACTS BEFORE YOU VOTE. THE ROMNEY CAMPAIGN AND THE REPUBS ARE LIARS.

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    Reply#17 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:01 PM EST

    Robert,

    Very Good Post! Thanks

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    #17.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:58 PM EST
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    They said he won big in Vegas, we have 3 + million people in Vegas .Romney got 15K votes out of 3 million.Its was only his cult members who voted for him ..In the real world 52% of the people cant stomach this hyped up idiot and don't trust him either. Getting the Vegas Mob money was a huge mistake and then to top it ..Donald Frump endorses him ..another huge mistake .Two rich guys taking care of them self's and their rich friends .. At 51% for Obama its obvious who the people want .

    • 3 votes
    Reply#18 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST

    Does the Morman church excommunicate for telling lies or can you buy your way out. I forgot the morman church is all about the money. The mormans believe that the more money you give the church the bigger house you get to live in when you get to heaven. You have probably heard about the guy that went to heaven was talking to St Peter and ask why there two diffenent groups in Heavan, one on the left and one on the right. St Peter says,oh! thats the mormans on the left and they think their the only ones here. Does anyone know why Mitts mother is on the campaign trail and not his wife?

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    Reply#19 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST

    These TEA-GOP-Republicans all stand as they did on stage saying nothing while the audience booed a service guy in uniform from Afghanistan asking about "Don't ask, Don't tell." These TEA-GOP-Republicans would take us back to war, run candidates who don't care about the poor because they have a safety program, but back and seek TEA party support, who in turn would de-fund and destroy the current social programs. These TEA-GOP-Republicans run candidates who would privatize Social Security and have that program run by their cronies and pay them handsomely to do nothing. To all the potential voters inMinnesota, Colorado, Maine, Arizona and Michigan. Remember this: If you vote for TEA party members you will be voting for a concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people and the concentration of power in stricter, less compassionate hands. You would be voting for those who would not spread around the tax pain to others than the top one percent.(1%) President Obama has proven his leadership abilities with a smaller government, 3 million private sector jobs, a Health Care plan, Wall Street reform, a vibrant auto industry, and president Obama's leadership had a hand in the taking out of Osama Bin Ladin, Atiyah abd al-Rahman, Anwar al-Awlaki(American Militant), and others(Moammar Khaddafy), while fighting off numerous Troubling Economic Antagonist­(TEA) party efforts to run other than jobs producing legislation through Congress! The president has or will ended the two unfunded Iraq and Afghan wars.

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    Reply#20 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST

    Lusting for an endorsement from a buffoon such as Donald Trump probably cost him 1 or 2 points in the poll. The Romney campaign people do not have the savvy to run a national race. Also, when a candidate has 2 or 3 answers for every question on video, it will tough . Negative ads like the ones run in Iowa won t work on Obama like they did on Gingrich.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#21 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST

    Well, It's been a very successful day so far! I want to thank all the banned re-regs for posting on First Thoughts and for showing all of us your true colors on the Hoekstra racist ad article. Looking forward to many deleted comments and suspensions!

    Happy Birthday to me! ;-)

    • 3 votes
    Reply#22 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST

    Have a fabulous Birthday Cynbad! ;o)

    • 4 votes
    #22.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST

    Thank you, Feisty! I'm counting on it! Big dinner plans tonight and more for tomorrow.;-)

    Sorry I couldn't get on FTearlier-ugh! What a pathetic mess of RWNJ comments..sigh.

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    #22.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:29 PM EST

    Happy Birthday Cynthia----I actually have a good voice so think of me singing Happy Birthday to you rather than Mitt Romney!

    You always know things are going well for the liberals when the conservatives here have nothing left to do but collapse posts. And thanks for keeping up with the re-regs.

    • 7 votes
    #22.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:31 PM EST

    What a pathetic mess of RWNJ comments..sigh.

    It sure went to hell in a hurry, Drudge & The Blaze must of linked it!

    Enjoy your day - it's not everyday we get to turn '29'! ;o)

    I actually have a good voice

    SF isn't the queen of Karaoke for nothing ya know! ;o)

    • 4 votes
    #22.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:39 PM EST

    I might have to dust off 1 of my 5 guitars and sing right along with you,steeler! See you all at the DDI. Play a little Al Green for me, will ya? ;-)

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    #22.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:43 PM EST

    Cynthia,

    Happy Birthday. And you are working on your birthday!

    Have a great evening.

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    #22.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 5:45 PM EST
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    Willard's campaign has to be terrified of the poll. The only rationale for teabaggers to support Romney is that he is "electable". The Gingrich campaign will have an ad up immediately.

      Reply#23 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST

      Looking at the Real Clear Politics poll average for Obama vs Romney, it seems that the above poll in question was in-line with other polls.

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

      • 1 vote
      Reply#24 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:21 PM EST

      Well I said it before and I'll say it again if Mr. Romney wins his nomination within the next month or two and let the President and his people get a chance to define him as the corporate raider and the fact he wants to make everything better for the super rich then he would lose 40 states to 10.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#25 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST

      Yeah, I said two months ago that he already has the reluctant support of the GOP insiders. It is unfortunate for them that Willard was the best they thought they could do.

      It is nice that GingRICH and him are going to engage in a bloody fight right up to the convention, though!

        #25.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:34 AM EST
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