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Subscribe to RSSGREELEY, Colo. - As his plane touched down in Denver, Colo. on Saturday afternoon, presidential hopeful Rick Santorum peeked up from his iPad to announce the first results he had seen come out of Nevada. “We’re tied with Romney in Searchlight, Nevada. That may be the highlight of our day,” Santorum joked to the handful of reporters following him throughout the state. "You guys are going to tweet that, aren't you?"
While most of the political world was focused on the Silver State's caucus, the former Pennsylvania senator headed east for three stops in Colorado. He remained upbeat and largely dismissive of any impact the results would have on his candidacy -- even as it became clear he would finish last, something he has been able to avoid in all previous primaries and caucuses.
"It's a state that very much favors Gov. Romney," Santorum said of Nevada. "He's invested about $1 million in the state already. Ron Paul's got close to $1 million in the state. We just don't have those resources. We think we'll do well in some of the conservative areas...Las Vegas doesn't match up for me as well as some other states do. We're not putting an emphasis on it."
Santorum's absence from Nevada on Saturday marks the second straight time when the candidate was not in the state that was voting. When Florida voters went to the polls last Tuesday, the GOP hopeful was in Nevada and arguing the Sunshine State's results show nothing more than the fact that candidates with the most money do well in the state's that are most expensive.
Since his Iowa caucus victory, Santorum has struggled to remain relevant. With each state he has lost, the excuses have built. Romney took New Hampshire because he hailed from a neighboring state, and Newt Gingrich won South Carolina for the same reason, he argues.
Political observers point to his ailing poll numbers and comparatively low war chest as evidence Santorum's campaign is on its last legs.
But the Santorum campaign remains undeterred by the conventional thinking that their candidate needs wins that translate into momentum and money is irrelevant. They have more money now than at any point during their run. And while reports have indicated Newt Gingrich is losing support from some of his big money backers, Santorum to this point has not had that issue.
The commitment does not seem to be waning from Foster Friess, the billionaire largely funding the pro-Santorum Super PAC "Red, White, and Blue Fund." Friess has recently been with Santorum, traveling with him to each of his three stops and illustrating the blurry laws that say candidates are not allowed to collaborate with Super PACs.
"We don't talk about any activity of the Super PAC at all," said Santorum. "I have no idea about what he's doing or how much he's giving and I don't want to know. We talk about family. We talk about other activities. He's very careful in that regard and so am I."
Outside of Friess' influence, Santorum has been able to continue to translate their Iowa victory into dollars, though still underfunded compared to the campaign coffers of the three other Republicans still in the race. Santorum has made the comment in the past that the only reason candidates stop running for president is because they run out of money. Campaign aides say they are stretching dollars as far as possible to ensure that doesn't happen soon.
Another sign that the Pennsylvanian has no plans to leave the race are the debut of newer and sharper hits on his GOP rivals. "Newt can throw out some funny lines about people going to jail, but he supported the basic concepts of Dodd-Frank. And you don't think the President's going to point that out? You don't think the President is going to point out what their position is on health care, which is identical to his?" Santorum asked while campaigning in Montrose, Colo.
"I heard Mitt Romney say the other day that he doesn't care that he doesnt care about the very poor. He doesn't care about the very rich or the very poor, that his program's going to focus on the 95%," Santorum said. "I thought, that's not the Republican party I believe in. That's not the conservative movement I believe in. We need a President who believe in 95%, or 99% like this president. We need a President that's concerned with 100% of Americans."
Santorum now heads to Minnesota for a day of campaigning and will be back in Colorado Monday night.
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O contraire, Santorum is de turd!
I noticed nobody bothered to post - so he truly is insignificant - go home and go back to your lobbying you've got a family to feed!
People do not know when it's time to quit. He is the annoying guest that would stay after everybody else has left the party. He wants to keep dancing and singing.
Give it up Satorum! You should have gotten the message now that you ARE NOT going to be the Republican nominee.
There are 2 fat cats ahead of you ready to eat your head, if they have to.
Go back to you sleepy town and join the church as an altar boy! You deserve it!
Santorum's speeches sound like he's not even trying anymore. He may just be continuing his zombie campaign to score brownie points with Romney at this point. After all, Romney's going to need a veep pick that can appeal to conservative evangelicals.
Sorry that Santorum's polling in a dead heat with Obama, just like Ron Paul, and Romney.
Looking ahead, Santorum will take Missouri (Gingrich not on the Ballot), There is a dead heat between Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum (Romney was leading), Santorum is currently ahead in PA (displaced Romney there).
One poll from a group with an established Republican bias does not a dead heat make. There was even one Rasmussen poll that showed Gingrich leading Obama, which never reflected political reality either.
These darn FR headlines .. I keep having to edit them.
Away from Nevada, Santorum campaign is undeterred
After Nevada, Santorum campaign is under-water
I honestly do not mean to make sport of Rick Santorum here, but in truth, it is quite obvious, at least to me, Santorum was "hatched from a culled egg".
Under water - RedDevPS - that is you predictions problem.
Coming in Tuesday
Minnesota: Feb 4 Santorum 29 - Mitt 27 - Newt 22 - Paul 19 Dec 4 Newt 36 - Mitt 18 - Rick 17 - Paul 13
Colorado: Feb 4 Mitt 40 - Santorum 26 - Newt 18 - Paul 12 Jan 22 Newt 37 - Mitt 18 - Paul 6 - Santorum 4
Missouri: Jan 29 Newt 30 - Santorum 28 - Mitt 24 - Paul 22 NOTE: Newt will not be on the Ballot in Missouri - Odds are the votes go to Santorum if Newt is not written in - this is because those supporting Newt are adamantly opposed to Mitt - unless Mitt does secure the nomination.
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2012R/polls.php?fips=27
Add to that in the past week polls show Nationally Per Gallup tracking and Rassmussen that Santorum, Paul and Romney are in a dead heat when one on one with Obama. That is usually real bad news to an incumbent because the undecided vote almost always goes more to the challenger.
So you all are saying is Santorum should quit while he is closing fast? That makes no sense now, does it?
How about Super Tuesday? These are the only ones with polls after Iowa.
Maybe he should run for Pope, but not President. A Catholic theocracy (or any other religous theocracy) will not stand in the US- see articles on Komen / Planned Parenthood. And no, that wasn't an anti-catholic remark, but a simple truth. That crap doesn't fly in the US.
Thanks for that link DBAkron .. will be interesting to see how the current polls play out. Good point that Santorum still has a viable chance. Me thinks he hasn't a chance against Obama. Romney is the one who will give Obama a run for his money.
Morals are what count in a candidate, not what religion they belong to... I've seen many, so called religious leaders wrapped in scandals and they try to keep on preaching morals to the masses...
Religion should have no place in a secular society...
Although I agree it is probably time for him to suspend the campaign through the primary process, I am not so egotistical to tell him why nor am I so vile as to call him a name. Santorum is a proud and good American and a wonderful family man with values all Americans should strive for. He is true to his convictions and vision for America who had the courage to run for president.
Values like denying rights to women and gays? He is Un-American.
Holding life and future of the unborn precious trumps a woman's right to kill that life and is a fundamental moral foundation stone this country was built upon. The same for the sanctity of marriage. Those are American values and Santorum is a great American. Can you imagine taking a trip back in time and sitting with the founding fathers and explaining to them that the words they will write will in the future be determined giving women the right to abort/kill a living being or that the pursuit of happiness would lead to same sex marriage??? If they could stop for a moment and believe what they were told, the language may have been tweeked a bit.
Wrong! The supreme court of the United States says women have the right to choose an abortion. Trump and checkmate.
Ben- Those are your values and his values- but we can't presume to judge what the Founders would want-- they seemed to come down on the side of liberty and not allowing the government power over our personal lives.
You saw the backlash against Komen-- so you know that women will fight for the liberty to make their own reproductive decisions. Its not for Santorum to decide that birth control is dangerous because it allows women to have premarital sex. That position is one of the reasons that he's not gaining any traction after doing well in Iowa-- He is out of step with what American women want.
Also, not sure how he can claim to be much of a Christian given some of his answers on the campaign trail. Telling a parent who can't afford the money to pay for a prescription drug for their child that drug companies need to make a profit is not my idea of the golden rule. Telling a gay person that they don't deserve to be able to adopt a child is rigid and judgmental-- what happened to "Judge not lest ye be judged"?
Santorum is free to live according to his Catholic teachings-- but should, like any other man running for President, absolve the rest of us from having to live under them.
Don't you just love how good "Christians" like Ben presume to judge others? Women as murderers, a statement that only a true misogynist would make, shameful, but that is what we have come to expect from Ben and Santorum. The thing we know for sure, is all the good anti choicers, as soon as it really IS a child, will be screaming about providing any supportive services like WIC or Head Start. Love the dividing cells, hate the result. Cognitive dissonance.
Santorum is just now going about preaching end of times in his campaigning. As in, if you don't vote for me, this country will end, Iran will blow us up. This is a sign of an emotionally healthy and mature man? Only in Ben's world.
Santorum will never be President. People are smart enough to worry about putting a "true believer" in the White House.
By the way, Bennie: there was abortion in the Founder's day too. The difference? Women died. That is exactly what will happen if abortion is ever outlawed...or does that not matter to you.
What country are you from, because these judgmental moral issues are not what OUR country was built upon. Our country was built upon freedom from religious prosecution and an anti-monarchy ideology. It had nothing to do with rights of the unborn.
Santorum is a "great American" only if you enjoy being forced to live under Catholic sharia law.
Ben, you have the right, just like anyone else here to post your opinion. Now you and Frothy make think alike, have all those "family values" (what a friggin joke) that you and fellow baggers yelp about. Do you actually know how long abortion has been around Ben?
I would like to know just who appointed you or frothy, or any other control freak to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies? And now, like others, you will probably call me a man hater. On the contary, I enjoy the company of men, real men, that are not control freaks, do not carry the religion on their sleeves.
And why is it the GOP/bagger community have more people in the closet than the Demo's, independents, etc? Again, your "family values" are a joke. You can have your morals, no problem, just don't push them onto others, as they may see/have different ideas about morals.
What's funny is that Santorum is far out of the mainstream of US Catholics, 71% of whom support marriage equality and 98% of whom have used contraception.
Santorum represents just the Opus Dei cult, not mainstream Catholic views.
You know, while I personally don't care for abortion, I would rather it be legal and safe than hidden away and dangerous. Best way to prevent an abortion - stop unwanted pregnancies! And don't say abstinence. It has never worked. Throughout the entire course of history, people have had sex and women have found a way to abort pregnancies.
RedDev is an advocate for killing unborn babies. Uh... wait, that is so harsh... unborn fetus... still we need to dehumanize the unborn even more.. let's call it a zygote. The kid doesn't even get the chance to take it's first breath and BAM!!! Off goes it's head. Isn't that right RedDev? You love the thought of a sharp instrument digging in deep and chopping up the fetal matter... And! Anyone that disagrees with RedDev is unAmerican.
BB
Read my comment.
phancy - good morning! I am against all abortions... To me there's no justification in disrupting the human process. I believe in personal responsibility and if people are going to have unprotected sex, they need to be responsible for the results. Notice I didn't say she. They need to be responsible. He's just as responsible for the results. I know women that have had abortions... the level of regret they carry with them is enormous... I guess they are unique if you listen to those that advocate abortion and have no real understanding how much harm an abortion creates.
BB
I am not going to get into the morality of abortion. Just the facts. And the facts are women throughout the centuries have found ways. Let God dispense judgement on the issue. Not man. (We aren't very good at dispensing judgement, anyways). And let us try to keep things as safe as possible.
Actually, no, I am pro-choice. If I were pro-abortion, BB, you would have been swallowed just prior to conception.
Well RedDev - Interesting how you admit you swallow... Most men like you never admit to that.
phancy - discussing morality and abortion is not done by those who advocate abortions. If morality was interjected into the conversation, it would be very evident that abortions aren't justified. It's a lot easier for those who are pro-choice always opt to avoid the morality issue. Morality makes them feel way too uncomfortable. It becomes a Scarlett O'Hara moment... I'll think about it tomorrow.
I think it's immoral to think other people's wombs are your business.
Equally, it's immoral to think that a blastocyst and a woman are equivalent.
Here is the morality,brian, for the small minded. It is the concern of the woman involved, not you, about the contraceptives she uses, or if abortion is a choice she will make.
The only involvement that you may have is this: if you don't like abortion, don't have one, don't cause one to happen. As to the rest of it....NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
It amazes me that the fringe right wing, famous for "get the Federal government off our backs" wants to legislate the most intimate decisions that families make.
It is a source of pride to me, that my youngest cherub serves as an escort for women at our local clinic. His calm, reassuring, unflappable presence has been a blessing to women in crisis.
newday - You wouldn't understand morality if it reached up and grabbed you. To you morality is an inconvenience offered by those who not only spout, but spray religiosity everywhere they walk. Your opinion of anything moral is the equivalent to getting burned by a hot poker... which actually may not be far from the truth. Only you haven't experienced it yet.
It amazes me that the far left has legislated through the courts, under the guise of women's privacy, a way to conveniently dispose of last night's indiscretion through scalpel and knife. It means nothing... NOTHING.... just a scrape and a rub... and all is well. Liberals don't think about the big picture... only what's in front of them at the moment. And it shows too.
BB
Speaking of big pictures, you watching any of the pre game? Specifically the commercials? (see its is Super Bowl Sunday, and I want everyone to get along today)
phancy - I have the ribeyes all ready for the grill. We are baking macaroni and cheese. I picked up hot Buffalo wings at Publix some chips and dip. I drove to West Palm Beach on Thursday and am spending the weekend here. I go back on Tuesday. Right now I am watching Mad Men on Netflix...
I'm not in for all the Super Bowl hype. I'll turn the game on at 6:30 when it's scheduled to start. By that time the ribeyes will have been consumed.. along with a couple of Tequila Sunrises... and all I have to say is go Giants! I can't stand New England... for many reasons... LOL!
BB
As a AFC fan, believe me, Pretty Boy Brady landing flat on his back from a sack is one of my favorite pictures! (His Pats have hurt my teams way too many times. I still have never forgiven the "snow plow")
Seafood here today. Shrimp and crablegs! Simple beer for today. (Corona and lime for me). Stella for the hubby.
Since Buffalo is in the eastern division, along with New England... you can imagine the choice words I throw their way... New England has been the pre-madonna's of football for way too long. I want to see them get creamed. I hope the Giants are up to the task.
Shrimp and crablegs are good! I wanted ribeye because I don't have access to a grill in Montgomery. I miss cooking out... and when I come here, I try to cook out at least once during my stay... even if it's just chicken wings.
BB
I know dangerfield would agree with you today about the "G Men"!
What I notice from your response, brian, is that you have no response. Typical for a "teabagger". When you have nothing to say, go for the personal attack.
Now. Try again, and do try to sound like an adult.
I hear shrimp and crablegs calling! Enjoy the game!
And for the record, newday and BB, neither one of you will convince the other on the issue. Calling each other names also doesn't help either cause. Just agree to disagree, and get over it.
Phine: allow others the same respect that we give you to decide what our posts will be. I am very capable of making that choice for myself.
But....thanks....?
Excuse me. I promise not to interfere again. I didn't realize I had to have permission for an adult observation.
I'm sorry, but both are an abomination in the eyes of the lord.
Why?
Oh Dear Phine!
I see where you have de-friended me...
How EVER will I sleep tonight? lol
I hadn't realized you had been appointed FR authoritarian!
Congrats on your promotion & lots of luck darling!
I do have to wonder what the so-called senior gang thinks of your new found alliance with the dark side!
My senior gang is just fine thank you. I am just sick to death of all the name calling. I am who I am. I am capable of being friends with anyone from either side of the aisle - which is what our president wanted.
Besides, you haven't said a word for months to me. I don't pretend do be an authoritarian on anyone but me and mine. I know you all love to attack people who don't toe your line. I have already been at the end of your sarcasm.
But, for all your snark towards me, I do truly wish you and all of yours the very best. I don't want to be part of the hate anymore. It eats at me too much!
So much for watching the game with your 'shrimp & crablegs' eh?
Apologies, I didn't realize I needed to stoke your delicate ego! If ONLY I had known!
Anyone who goes from self-proclaimed solid Democrat to someone who is advocating a third party candidate, leaves plenty of room for suspicion!
It's called politics honey, put on your big girl panties and DEAL with it!
Now run along and eat all your virtual seafood - you don't fool anyone who reads FR on a regular basis!
See sweetie, I have been around far to long to let you try to sucker the stuck on stupid crowd! Trust me, they need NO help! ;o)
Not my problem you don't pass the sniff test! ;o)
PS: You might try Match.com or some other private chat room to share your fantasies with! This is a political blog - if YOU can't stand the heat, I would suggest you get out of the kitchen!
with jerks spouting vitriol and insults like carrot top, john, and reddev.... how do the libbies get anything accomplished? Sure glad I'm on the Right side! This blog has regressed a great deal over the last few years... just like the country has under the annoited one...obama! Can't wait for the change!
Again Billy,
I have to ask - who the hell is physically forcing you to come here?
You don't LIKE it - you are free to leave...
Whiny pussies always finish last! ;o)
its time for Santorum to go back to his home on K Street.. when he was the PA Senator most of his time was on K Street.. not on the Senate floor .. unless it was to cut funding for women
Thank you for all your kind words. I enjoyed my crablegs and shrimp. They were excellent. And I always hope I am open minded enough to appreciate all points of views Something I learned from my parents.
again carrot top proves my point!! Ringraziarla molto, carrot top! You've made my day again....
Might I suggest you sleep it off and come back another day.... poor gal! lmao!
Ben-636050 at # 2.2,
Are you speaking of those same founding fathers who very cleverly made sure that their words would not in any way reflect rejection of slavery. but in fact, would fully accept slavery without even mentioning the word slavery?
Are those the founding fathers for whom you bemoan their lack of forethought in composing carefully crafted words?
They knew a lot more about human nature and word smithing than you can imagine!
Feisty
At times all words travel into the ether of regret
and actions follow afoot.
The Goddess of Small Things will destroy us
for reasons slighter than we now cause,
And not for wanting the dance
but for whose heart we trample under foot.
Phinephancy, I don't care much for NE either, rooting for the Giants today only because my team again must wait til next year.... the Cowboys! I did like Madonna's half time show, whoo hoo!
Robin, Madonna is ageless! Have her on my iPod!
Ideology,
Nice job.
Ideologyspoilstheview, this is lovely, I googled it.... writings of St. Jerome! But perhaps it's message has fallen on deaf ears....
Robin ... the words are mine ... no one else's
'The Goddess of Small Things' comes from the title of a novel by Arundhati Roy
Surely by now, most people know Santorum was hatched from a culled egg.
Well the score is in.... Congrats to the Giants! Was a tight game to the end... those always make the best Super Bowls. I hate blowouts. I also hate the actions of blowhards like carrot top in drag.
Don't worry about carrot top in drag, phancy... she's so full of hate she thrives on it. Best to ignore that crusty excuse of a human being.
Yup, nice victory for the good guys! Congratulations to the NY Giants and a shout out to Eli Manning... every bit as good as Brady if not better!
ideologyspoilstheview, my apologies, the google search of your poem pointed to St. Jerome. You have a talent!
Robin ... no problem be careful of deep searches, they all eventually end up at a porn site.
santorum is now as he ALWAYS was - a hickey on a hemorrhoid.
Worthless at the beginning, worthless in the middle and will STILL be UTTERLY WORTHLESS at the END of the campaign. His ONLY accomplishment was spending money - OTHER PEOPLES MONEY!!
quit now, dip s h i t
skregg...
how so?
So the Bills of the Disney World love to sling the redev as a mud-singer, yet refuse to look at where the mud-slinging started. An outright attack was the BB comment, yet the Bill says poor, poor Brian is the victim.
As long as the right continue their horrific attacks, there will always be a counter. Remember, the Christians murdered the Agonistics, but Gnosticism never quelled the true meaning of Christ. That is a subject to deep for the stupid crowd.
Bill is the concentration camp crowd .. now go round up your and exterminate your current version of Gnostic. No doubt, your retirement fund is wrapped up in interment camps.
I believe Mr. Santorum is a decent person but he does need to step aside and let the rest figure out who wins. He is continuously scoring low in the polls and we all know that Iowa was a fluke. Since then he has not done well and staying in only hurts the party and shows that he is in it more for personal gain (book deals, speaking tour, etc) then anything else. He has a family to take care and is jeopardizing that by chasing a pipe dream. He would never be the Republican nominee this time around. Not his time.
RedDev - please stop hitting on me. I don't do men, especially those that swallow. Gives me the creeps. Try some other fellow, who knows you might get lucky. Just make sure he has as much hate inside of him as you do in you... that way at least you two will be even. No sense in starting out your happy gay relationship on a down side. Move along now.... this is getting quite old...
Ideology,
Words that ring so true they need to be repeated....
I will add a few timely observations...
"If you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?"
"Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand."
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine."
"For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."
"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."
"What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven."
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."
"The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished."
"The LORD mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble."
I know this probably won't be received well here on the vine, so be it, and I don't give a damn what the fire haired gods of the vine say....
Phine,
This BUD's for you!
Hey Eiglman - scriptures work well but the true test is the fork in the road when you meet the seven deadly sins. Reaction to those puppies, under duress, is the test. Scripture tells us what we ought to do, the sins tell us what we will do. Philosophy is great determiner of what we can be, dogma is what we will do. Cheers to your list of what we can do.
keep your friends CLOSE but your enemies CLOSER
That's a pointless argument. They would have been appalled that blacks and women have the right to vote and own property, and that a black is the President of the United States. But, that's OK. They were, unavoidably, a product of their time. Their brilliance was in setting down a broad set of principles that could guide the country as our society evolved. Other than that, we can't know what they would have approved of. But, considering that the positions that they took were quite radical for their era ("all men are created equal", the right to change governments, etc...), I personally feel that if they were alive in our century, they would be liberals.
Barry,
In my opinion they would be libertarians, some of their beliefs Liberals would love, others they would hate.
They were definitely for personal individual freedom coupled with individual responsibility.(the needs of the one sometimes outweigh the needs of the many) Neither of which Liberals like.
They were decidedly against collectivism, (the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few) which liberals love.
Small government principles are built upon individual needs being meet by individuals through freedom to chose. (freedom to chose is now defined as discrimination)
Large government principles are built upon individual needs being met by the group through collective force. (creating rules and mandates that force everyone to comply or be punished or otherwise disadvantaged)
The founding fathers were against the formation of political parties, they viewed them as divisive towards individual freedom and usurp individual responsibility. (They do to this well don't they, seeing all the mind numbed political robots out there spewing the party line on both sides. Then hammering the opposition, while missing the point altogether)
I think the founding Fathers would disagree with a lot of things both major parties represent, but seeing good on both sides.....(pretty much like mainstream libertarians, and I don't mean the JBS, they are NOT mainstream libertarians, much like marxists don't think socialists go far enough)
Brianb-999431''RedDev is an advocate for killing unborn babies. Uh... wait, that is so harsh... unborn fetus... still we need to dehumanize the unborn even more.. let's call it a zygote. The kid doesn't even get the chance to take it's first breath and BAM!!! Off goes it's head. Isn't that right RedDev? You love the thought of a sharp instrument digging in deep and chopping up the fetal matter... And! Anyone that disagrees with RedDev is unAmerican.'' Very blunt and sadly true,thanks for not sugarcoating the carnage that the leftwing nuts love to defend!
Our Founding Father's were afraid of big government and very afraid of the power that banks now have! Hamilton prevailed with the banks, only because the states, especially New York were saddled with a huge debt after the Revolution and needed the help of banks, Jefferson, Adams, and others compromised on the central bank issue only because of that and despite their concerns that banks would become too powerful.... they were right!
Egilman is right, in today's society they would be closer to libetarians...... they would have laughed at the idea the banks were too big to fail, one of obama's assertions! They abhorred liberalism and would be shocked, not necessariy surprised, to see that so many Americans have been made dependent on big government these days because of liberalism! And they would still support the idea of adherring to the philosophy of the US Constitution, which is being attacked on a daily basis by liberalsim!
Robin, ideology is yanking your chain! Those are NOT his words, but are copied from St Jerome. And I also suspect he is very good at locating those porn sites he alluded to!
I would recommend avoiding or ignoring future comments from the guy!
Steve H,
First of all, it is not the writing of St Jerome. there is no reference of any kind to any of the words of the poem that combine in any way that pulls up any connection, this is not just my internet search, but, a search of the archives of Stanford University.
It is NOT the work of St Jerome, Period.
Arundhati Roy
If you would have read the post and looked just a little bit further into what Ideology said in his OP, you will find out that he is telling the truth.
I have read this book a while back, and I do not remember such a passage in it quite the way Ideology wrote it. Until anyone comes up with evidence otherwise,
IT IS HIS OWN WORK!
A very beautiful sentiment that captures the essence of what Roy was discussing and promoting. Although I don't subscribe to her political leanings, what she has written is very profound. You would do well in gaining knowledge and wisdom by being open to different perspectives, it will make you a better person in the long run.
PS: I'm sure Ideology is capable of defending himself and his positions when necessary, I did this because his position shouldn't have to be defended, and his thoughts on this little piece of philosophy I happen agree with, and I respect a mind that is creative enough to espouse such a thought so eloquently!
Ben-636050''Santorum is a proud and good American and a wonderful family man'' as is our president although I hope Obama is defeated there really is no reason to get personal and hateful. Romney is also a good man and appears to be heading for the nomination.
Life -- I am sorry but I am not hateful towards Romney. Not at all. He is a good family man with outstanding morals and does appear to be heading for the nomination. I either was not clear -- although I never mentioned Romney in a story about Santorum -- or you misinterpreted. The time is to rally around one candidate to defeat Obama -- although I don't hold him in the esteem you hold him.
Ben-636050 actually I was agreeing with your comment about Santorum,and added my own thoughts,Thanks buddy, keep up the good work enjoy reading your posts.
Ben-636050''Holding life and future of the unborn precious trumps a woman's right to kill that life'' agree 100%
You might agree but the U.S. Supreme Court disagrees thankfully.
The embryo, like a corporation, is not and never will be a person. Why should women permit this invasion into their reproductive lives? Criminalizing abortion would not stop them any more than prohibition stopped the use of alcohol. Santorum is not advancing because most of America believes that he wants to bring the country back to the '50's instead of leading us forward into the 21st century.
Remember though, kritt, during the 50's and prior, men like Ben did not have to compete with women for jobs. Women could only aspire to certain jobs, and had to quit when they were pregnant, something that was hurtful to my mom throughout her lifetime.
Makes it easier for the incompetent to get a job if they reduce the amount of people they have to compete against.
newday ... that attitude was still prevalent in the early 70s (legal or not), and continues today. In 1973, after being on the job for 3 months, I was approached by the site manager who suggested that I put in for supervisor. His comment (which I'll never forget) - "your only competition would be some girls who will end up getting pregnant and quit". In 2005, after 6 months on the job in a casino, I was promoted to an executive position. My boss later told me that it was an easy choice for him to make as the only other possible choices were "some women". Didn't take the '73 offer because I didn't even know what the job encompassed. Did accept the '05 job because my background qualified me even though I still felt uncomfortable with his comment.
Absolutely Tired Old Guy: I graduated high school in 1970, and I remember, to this day, my interview with a guidance counselor at the high school. "You can be a nurse, teacher, secretary or stewardess." Just that, nothing more.
By contrast, in 1980, I got hired for a job because they didn't any women in cabinet level positions.
I can remember training (same with my mother) some fresh out of college, wet behind the ears, boy, who 6 weeks later would be my supervisor. A lot of the women I worked with had this happen - we would end up doing his job, and then he got the bucks and promotions. Things seem to be a bit better for my daughter. I am glad for that. But, it is still an uphill battle. That glass ceiling is still pretty thick!
Our oldest daughter went to a Catholic HS for her last two years. Her guidance counselor (a nun) suggested that she either join the convent or a non-profit organization to serve the greater good. She got her Masters, started working as a case worker for the Multiple sclerosis Society, and is now Vice President of Services, Clinical and Advocacy at National Multiple Sclerosis Society, Ohio Valley Chapter (always have to look up the title). She takes great personal offense whenever I relate the '73 story.
To resolve the issue of unwanted pregnancies and abortion all men who cause them should have their balls removed. Ready to sign off on that Ben?
Darn you ideology ... have to wipe the coffee I spit out laughing off the keyboard.
Oh Ideo - The Ben's of the world would never agree that he is part of the problem. It is Manifest Destiny that he was born a man; spreading seed is his burden to bare. Wary the woman who is in his way.
Ideology,
Seeing that Ben last posted at 4:30am, I think he is sleeping.
Hope he get sback to you with his answer to your simple question.
ideologyspoilstheview, Homerun, you knocked the cover off that ball. That one should go down is history! I hope you don't mind if I can use that one. I will give you full credit. That was way to cool!!!!!!!!
That is HYSTERICAL, ideo! And true.
Tired Old Guy: You must be very proud of your daughter and rightfully so. She is doing very important work.
Ooo Ooo! Can they use a dull knife? (I love the idea, Ideology). I am one mean mama!!!!
Spread the word Smitty. As you know ladies, all that is needed to maintain the species is a room full of Hunks ... the rest of us guys are despensible.
newday ... and she is in her own words "a card carrying raging liberal". We're proud of all three of our girls. #2 graduates in a few months from nursing school and will be an RN, and #3 is working at Servatii's (THE pastry place in this area) while she saves up to start her own pastry business. Tired Old Girl and I have had some rough times but consider ourselves blessed.
Ideology ... would that be considered a "Bobbittectomy"?
And Phine ... you just seem too darn excited about the possibility. And people wonder why women scare the h*** out of me.
You are blessed indeed. I am waiting for my cherub, also a raging liberal to graduate Law School next year. She is her grandmother's rainbow, her grandmother having been denied opportunity. This one started college at 16, during the summers, went to a college that had a large global village, and left the US for a lot of her undergrad.
I have four, one freshly hatched from undergrad, getting ready to look at grad schools, and one, working with school age kids, her talent is working with kids with difficulties.
My eldest, as I have talked about before, is seriously disabled with Tourette Syndrome, but holds a job and lives in his own apartment not far from us. Our pride in him is great, the struggles he goes through daily to succeed unimaginable.
TOG,
I have an odd daughter. She and her hubby are in upper regional management (mortgage department of all things - he is an AVP) for a LARGE major bank. Yet, they too, are very, very liberal. Wonder how that works for them at the office? (FYI, he is originally from Sheffield, England)
PS It is in my DNA to scare men - and enjoy their pain & suffering! LOL Think I'm bad - you should meet my 87 year old mother!
TOG, I think a mini guillotine would work and the ladies could sit around knitting the 'sinner's' names ... a giant quilt to be spread at a NASCAR inner track. I went to a comedy show last night and one of the jokes was life begins when the kids leave home and the dog dies.
Ideology,
The women would prefer the quilt to be spread in the infield of a super speedway - more room! LOL
And it is true, life does begin when the kids leave home! (How does it work when you don't have dogs, but have cats?)
newday ... I trained a young lady at Delta who suffered from Tourette Syndrome. The HR rep who hired her told me before the class started, so I did some research to be ready for any needs she might have. She approached me on the first day of class to alert me that she was subject to involuntary rapid eye blinking and shoulder shrugging. She said that she wanted me to know so that I didn't think she was making fun of me while I was training. Everyone is class accepted her just as she was with the exception of one older lady who requested that I sit her as far away from "that one" as possible. I told her that I would be glad to, that there was plenty of room outside on the street.
Best response ever, TOG!
TOG - Good for you. There is plenty of room at the table for us all, but little room at the table for intolerance.
dadel ... you are a loon ... for the rest of you the following is a brief description of the author in Wikipedia-
Iserbyt believes that the Bavarian Illuminati hid inside the Freemasons, and that the Skull and Bones Secret Society is derived from these Illuminati-degree Freemasons from Bavaria whose goals were documented in an original edition 1798 book Proofs of Conspiracy by John Robison in Iserbyt's possession that she claimed was originally owned by the first president of the United States of America, Freemason, George Washington. The ideas of a ruling elite date back prior to Plato's writings about the hierarchical plutocracy. Among the goals of the Order of the Illuminati were to destroy religions, and governments from within, merge the destroyed countries, and to bring about a one world government, a new world order, in their secret control
The author is but another Ayn Rand ...
Good thing I've never been involved with an unwanted Pg. I guess I've always been way too responsible all my life. My jewels are safe from your intended snip/chop and removal system. On that note, though, I agree with the system of disentesticalation for any man that creates an unwanted pregnancy. It must be done while they are awake and with no drugs of any sort. The procedure must take at least 3 hours and under non-sterile conditions.
BB .. Idle hands are the devils playthings. Do us a favor and keep you hands busy entertaining the family jewels. We wouldn't want an unwanted Pg, preggers thingie.
Kind of like a back alley abortion, Brianb? You know, the kind that were stopped when the Supreme Court said the state has no interest in the first trimester, limited interest in the second trimester, and the most interest in the third trimester.
50% chance Mother Nature will abort the fetus (called a miscarriage). Where is your poutrage against Mother Nature? You ready to to bomb her, murder her, throw her into jail, sentence her to hell?
Mother Nature takes care of her own, and by extension, women take care of their own. Who are you to tell a woman where the division begins/ends?
Keep in mind, Reddev, that the fringe right wing teanuts also believe that a woman who has a miscarriage should have to prove that it really was spontaneous. Nothing but the taliban, if you ask me.
Wow, the Taliban, abortion, the Illuminati, dolphins, this thread has it all!
Not quite Chucky . . .
Teleprompter.
Now it has it all.
BOOM! And Matthew fills in the last gap.
Boy, go out with the hubby to wash the car, come back and everyone has gone looney tunes! (Foghorn Leghorn was my favorite Looney Tune)
Add Foghorn Leghoorn to the list. Now if we could only get someone to mention Stephen Hawking and Twinkies, we could wrap this puppy up.
Always glad to oblige, Chucky:
Stephen Hawking, Twinkies!
In and done!
Yup Phine .. those/these imps get downright devilish, in a Tasmanian sort of way!!
Just saw a couple of the new Chevy commercials on the pre game! Pretty darn good!
Careful Phine ... you might get them riled up on the automotive bailout now.
TOG,
Riled up is Mr. phinephancy. We spent quite a while late this morning washing the car (supposed to be sunny) Guess what, it is clouding up to rain! (really dark out there)
phine ... put some of his favorite music on and crank up the volume. "Music hath charms to sooth the savage BREAST, to soften rocks, or bend a knotted oak."
TOG,
I am hoping the new commercials will amuse him. One of his favorite parts of Super Bowl Sunday. (He doesn't trust me with music any more, wonder why?)
"Dancing Queen.........."
Phine ... having a hard time getting "into" the SB this year. Living 10 minutes south of the Bengals & Reds stadiums (stadii?) any game which is basically New York vs Boston is kinda hard to get excited about. At least I've got some good numbers in the pool (NOT poll) to make it interesting.
TOG,
My mother is a die hard Bengals and Reds fan. Even went to the playoff game against San Diego the year it was so cold! (And I have spent a few "happy" hours around Fountain Square). We don't speak though, during game weeks when her Bengals are playing one of my Florida teams (family peace, don't ya know).
Oh, and it is all your fault!. I turned Pandora on to the "Beatle Station" for Mr. phinephancy. First song up, "Here comes the Sun"! LOL
-59 wind chill ... I was there ... frostbite on two fingers when I took off my glove to light a cigar. I've got a friend in Tampa who comes to visit yearly. She is from here originally and is one of those rabid dog UK fans - I'm a Univ of Cinti grad. Text "trash talk" is brutal when any Cinti team plays any FLA team. Actually, it's pretty much a daily thing.
Hope you didn't have to bite your tongue too hard earlier. Have hubby make you one of those drinks you like (Cosmo?), take a deep breath, and enjoy the game and Chevy commercials.
Oh, by the way ... it's bright and sunny and about 50 degrees here in N KY.
I have no skin in this super bowl. My teams are New Orleans and Buffalo. Buffalo got wiped out early this year... I dunno... it's because I was born in Buffalo. New Orleans is my adoptive home so I get in with the Saints Fans.... they really are the best people! New Orleans has so much charm it's an outstanding city. Since I hate New England... I'll root for the Giants. I just hope this game is as good as the Saints/San Fran game during the playoffs. That was a nail biter... all the way to the last minute.
Now the real dilemma would occur if one year Buffalo plays New Orleans.... I'll be rooting for both of them... LOL.
BB ... now there's something we can agree on ... New Orleans is full of charm. One of my favorite "weekend getaways" when I worked at Delta. Seriously doubt that I'll live long enough to see a Bills/Bengals SB, but it is kind of a nice dream. Of course with Mike Brown running the Bengals, any kind of SB is a nice dream.
TOG
Cloudy and 75 here. I grew up just outside of Dayton, spent many a weekend in Cincy. Moved to Florida in 70. Still try to get up there once during baseball season to see the Reds. (Remember the Big Red Machine?)
BB,
I love the Saints, too. Have pulled for them since they were the 'Aints! Neatest place I was ever at for a football game was the Super Dome. (Although I still wonder if it was the game or Bourbon Street that I like best)
TOG,
I wonder if Paul is spinning in his grave over the way Mike handles the team!
PB was as cutthroat as they came, but he had a great reverence for the fans. Mikey just doesn't give a fat rat's tail about anyone other than Mikey.
The "Machine" will never be forgotten in these parts. And the fact that the back-to-back World Series wins were over Boston & New York only make the memories sweeter.
Ah, the Big Red Machine - Pete and JB, Davey and Joe............ That's when baseball was baseball!
Thing about Mike (my mother says his name like a curse word), he imagines he is as smart about football as his dad was. Talk about self delusional!!!!!!
Three winning seasons in his 21 years as the boss. I was serving lunch to one of our residents a few weeks ago, a 90 year old sweetheart of a lady who is a big Bengals' fan. She was talking about Mikey and said that she would refer to him as an SOB except for the fact that she knew his mother many years ago and wouldn't defame her name. She said she would just refer to him as an a**hole.
Oh ... and don't forget "Marty and Joe on the radio"!
I loved Joe Nuxall! The old lefthander rounding third and heading for home!
Kritt
An embryo contains a complete Blueprint for an individual and WILL become a person provided something doesn't stop it whether by natural failure or artificial intervention. That afterall is the whole point of abortion - to stop the embryo form becoming a person because it is inconvenient for the bearer to have a person to be responsible for, because the bearer just wanted to enjoy the pleasurable experience without the resulting responsibility.
I think that abortion is acceptable for cases of Rape, Incest, and if the life of the bearer is in danger by continuing the pregnancy.
Your argument falls on itself when taken in the whole context.
santorum is a bonafide IDIOT. anyone who doesn't recognize this is in denial (and it is NOT a river in EGYPT)
so DB - you attach conditions to abortion rather than letting it be a woman's CHOICE? In for a penny - in for a POUND. What difference does it make?
It is exactly this kind of "blurry" interaction with the candidates and the Super PAC's that demands that every citizen gets on board with the Popular Amendment Movement (faircampaignreform(dot)us) to complete the petition process to pass the following two constitutional amendments:
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Term Limits for Congress:
1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
I would not be for the abolition of the electoral college. But the rest of it sounds pretty interesting.
Why not? Can someone really give me a good argument for keeping the electoral college? Have you really studied the methods that the various states use to select those EC members? The SCOTUS ruled One Man/One Vote, but couldn't overturn the EC because it is part of the constitution. But the constitution CAN be amended to repeal any and all EC clauses (including abolishing the EC and repealing the 12th Amendment.) The offices of President/VP should be elected by popular vote the same as the office of Representative and Senator in Congress.
We are not a pure Democracy, we are a Republic, anti trust. Jefferson, and the Founders worried that pure Democracy would lead to anarchy, and a tyranny against the minority. That is partially why the Electoral College exists, to make sure that the smaller states receive adequate attention and importance in the vote for President. Otherwise, it would only be necessary for the candidates to go to certain states to gain the Presidency. I just don't think you would improve matters by doing away with the Electoral College. Paraphrasing Alexander Hamilton, it is not perfect, but it is excellent.
That is not really true because it is not easy to get 50.1% of the vote just from the larger states. If you want to keep the EC, then the rules for selecting the members in each state MUST be determined in the same way in every state, and should be proportional to the actual votes each candidate receives (not "winner takes all" since a "minority" candidate.....the one who got fewer votes.....could very well get elected even from the compilation of "smaller" states). The 2000 election was a good example of that, in combination with the voter fraud (yes it was fraud) in FL.
strictly speaking, the editorial college is a remnant - it was established primarily because the electorate had no direct knowledge of the CANDIDATES and also because of the reporting periods were essentially impossible with the far flung country and relative lack of transportation and communication.
IF the rules were standardized to proportional voting based on population against a minimum of 3 votes with no fractional votes allowed, it could be made to work. Term limits would be a good idea, but in practice will NEVER be enacted. the right wing has FAR too much to lose.
At any rate - good luck getting a constitutional convention OK'd.
Ummm Ben ... "with values all Americans should strive for" ... his values are rooted in his interpretation of his holy book. His holy book is not the Constitution. Everyone is entitled to his/her beliefs or lack thereof. No one is entitled to force those beliefs on anyone else - you know, that Constitution thing about separation of church and state. And do you really want a National Bedroom Police force peeping in your windows?
Good morning TOG,
Just home from early morning mass. Got a kick at of the priest homily this morning - made some of the members of the GOP upset. He talked about the fact (carefully staying away from politics) we should focus on helping "the least amongst us", the poor. Father Tom is very good at that kind of thing. And since we have such a large population of homeless here, whom he is always trying to help, he considers that teaching of Jesus to be the most important. Sure does rile up some, though!
Good Morning Ms Phine
Love it ... wish there were more Father Toms, and that their message was more available to the masses of haters. Fox regularly has a Catholic priest on their news (?). Can't believe he is actually an ordained priest and that the church allows him to spout off in such a hateful manner.
TOG,
There are more "Father Tom's" out there than folks realize.
And how much government money is the dadel making housing the homeless?
Dadel,
Please forgive me if I know a lot about my parish members. By the way, guess you have a problem with the teaching of helping the least amongst us.
Dadel--some of us "far left loons" do walk the walk--I have a homeless family living with me. They are getting a hand up--and are working hard to improve their situation! It has been a blessing on both sides! How about you? What do you do to help your fellow citizens?
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
Good for you nurse!!!! We had a family live with us after Katrina. They have since moved back to NOLA and are doing very well. (We have since downsized - just being me and hubby. Didn't need all the extra space and extra work)
Loony left? If you think that left is loony, I guess you haven't been paying attention to the various front-running GOP candidates over the past few months. And, did you see the article on msnbc last week where some members of the right are actually protesting road improvement projects because they believe that they're part of some global conspiracy. We used to elect officials because they promised good roads. Now, a segment of the population wants to tar and feather them! Now, that's loony!
I guess the part of Santorum that destroys any confidence in his ability to lead is the anecdotal dismissal of his losses. Surely he has advisers within his campaign team who can direct his alignment and strategies. Now, I am wondering if they are allowed to speak unless that speak is prefaced with "Sir"? Honesty and frankness seem to be displaced. Truly, something is amiss within the organization.
Mark,
I think one of the failings of ALL campaign organizations is that they are too full of "yes" men and will not give the straight facts to the candidate!
Another thought might be ... "hmmm, level with the boss that he ought to quit and lose my job, or bob my head up and down like a stuffed puppy in the back window of a "57 Chevy and keep bringing in a paycheck ... hmmm".
TOG,
Do the eys light up on the puppy?
Dadel,
Your assumptions about people today is amazing. Sadly, I must report I am a zealot for no party. Sorry to disappoint you.
All i can say is i was witness to his " UN AMERICAN STATEMENTS" ..he has no place in the presidency!
As Americans we are trying to get our freedoms back from the Romney Rich cult members !
Old Rick is sure to stay in the race since the candidates get to spend the money they receive in contributions for as long as they remain politically active. If he has his "Rich Billionaire friend" to give him a few million more, he gets to stay a politician for a few more years.
Santroum will be financially fit for quite a while. Since his political career crashed and burned, he has diligently followed in Newt's footsteps of being a paid lobbyist, raking in millions. He screams he is a good Christian, but he is just a corporate shill. Make-a-buck Rick is about as Christian as a money changer in a temple.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/rick-santorum-stealth-lobbyist/story?id=15298204#.Ty6nYsVSSdY
Santorum disqualifies himself as a viable candidate with this statement. Santorum is not concerned about 100% of Americans. He only cares about 100% of Americans that share his views. Non-Christians, pro-choice, non-whites, gays, are not part of his 100%. And God forbid, you are Iranian, he is ready to give you a nuke or two.
Red,
Why do male politicians seek to prove their manhood by always wanting to start a war?
Phine - I always say the answer to that question is Neapolitan. They are so short in so many departments (trousers, head, height), the need to conquer reigns over reason. Then again, perhaps it is their inner-Peter Pan, always trying to prove they are no longer a boy in tights.
P.S. I love my inner-Peter Pan .. it keeps me young, phoot phull, and phancy phree.
Egads! The thought of a John McCain in tights just popped into my head! (Screaming madly - Stop! Please stop this picture)
Phine - enjoy your phootball game today!! I recall from a prior post you have a beer or two in the cooler and are ready for phun day of revealing.
The modern GOP actually caters to a VERY narrow demographic: rich, white, straight, married, conservative, far-right Christians who don't use birth control and are willing to disown their kids if they turn out gay.
Haha Phine .. revealing .. I meant reveling. Of course Mr. Phine might like a good revealing after a beer or two. Tis a silly day when I crack myself up reading my comments.
I personally oppose abortion but I am smart enough to realize that it is not my business what someone else decides to do with her body and her fetus. We have tried to legislate morality in the past. Prohibition didn't work and actually had the opposite effect of what was intended. If a woman decides to have an abortion I would rather she does it in a clean well lighted clinic with medically trained personel to assist in the process than alone in some filthy alley with a coat hanger or in some dirty room by some guy who thinks he can be a doctor.
The holier than thou attitude of some people shows an amount of intollerance that cannot be ignored. We are too interested in other people's business in this country. Whether in a "reality" TV show, supermarket tabloid or gossip magazine or political discussion.
baldeagle,
I am the person the networks hate. I rarely watch network tv, and when I do, it is NOT a reality show! I have my reality to deal with - I don't to watch someone try to deal with theirs!
Although, on Super Bowl game day, I get a kick (until the overwhelm me with too many stories) of some of the back stories on some players.
And seriously, check out the new Chevy ads! The one with the aliens is great!
American jurisprudence was founded on British Common law at the time of the formation of our republic. The right to make ones own decisions on the matter of abortion was included in the broader Right of Privacy: under British Common Law at the time, "It's none of the government's business."
So yes, the framers of the Constitution lived in a society where the right to make the entirely personal choice to terminate a pregnancy was considered to be protected from government interferance under the Right of Privacy.
There were no medical schools as we know them today, no licensing of physicians, no broadly observed standards of practice and the result was that abortion was dreadfully dangerous and eventually banned.
Roll the clock forward to more modern times when medical standards are vastly improved and the procedure to abort a pregnancy is actually safer that pregnancy and the legal ban makes no sense. Roe Vs Wade returned the status of law its original state at the foundation of the republic under the Right of Privacy.
How is it that undoing unconstitutional error in the law and returning it to the state intended by the founders is not the truly conservative thing to do?
Well, Bearzzz, it isn't, but I find that the anti-choice people, for the most part, and especially those who post here, do not know the actual history of this country. Many of them were nodding right along when both Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachmann made up their own American history. They just are not intellectually curious enough to find out the facts, for themselves, so they listen to those idiots, and believe every word they say.
A tip of the hat to you Matthew.
I also find it odd that many on the religious right would assert that Biblical scripture is literal truth, but that when the constitution uses the phase "Congress shall pass no law..." that it needs to viewed in an entirely different ways. The phase takes on a meaning something like, "Congress shall pass only enough laws to censor the stuff I think is icky"
Interesting that Santorum polled higher than Obama in a head to head matchup in a poll by Rasmussen yesterday, yet he is still number 3 or 4 in the nomination race.
Interesting that Rasmussen has been shown to be the most biased to the right polling service that has ever done polling. If they told me the weather was going to be sunny, and warm, I'd wear a winter jacket, and carry an umbrella.
The ONLY poll that matters is the one conducted LIVE on the first TUESDAY in NOVEMBER
What do Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Michelle Bachmann, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum all have in common? They all ran on THEOCRACY.
What has been the American Public's response to theocracy? Universal rejection.
If the GOP ever wants to win an election, they need to run on jobs and the economy. Nobody wants theocracy. Nobody cares who sleeps with who. Nobody cares what religion someone does or does not practice. Americans want good jobs. The GOP theocracts seem to have forgotten that.
Also, the theocrats forget that MANY American families have a gay son, daughter, aunt, uncle, or cousin in the family tree somewhere. They are still loved and valued by their families. When the theocrats preach hate as a "family value", it just doesn't wash anymore.
Mitt Romney may be a flop-flip corporate stooge, but the reason why he's ahead is because he's not running on theocracy.
Very true Butterfly. Unfortunately, theocracy seems to be at the root of the political discussion today from the conservative base. On the upside, Komen found out last week, after having their ass handed to them via twitter/facebook comments, that theocracy is not what the American pubic wants. Politics should be about making a prosperous society, not dictating a woman's stance on abortion.
...anyone who promotes the idea that there is anything acceptable about forcing a rape victim to bear (and raise) her rapists baby is doomed to failure...
another Politician blowing off steam, entropy at its finest. He has nothing better to do but collect $$$$ for his family. boring besides
oh he BLOWS, but steam??
Keep going Rick, don't listen to the others. It is great that you are in the race to antagonize the others in your party. It takes votes from them and allows for things to be brought out against them. Sure your chances of becoming POTUS are somewhere between zero and none but you're fun to watch and like a gnat to Romney and Gingrich. So keep going Rick, keep going.
While I don't agree with most of the things he stands for, I think he is a good and decent man.
Not to disturb your dreams, but have a look at the latest poll of polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html. Obama is steadily increasing his lead over the Republican candidates. The economy is looking up, everyone knows it, even Romney. Everyone also knows the housing market collapsed during the last administration due to laws passed by a Republican-controlled congress. And what does Romney want to do about it? Turn middle class homeowners into renters to benefit his super rich friends. Everyone knows the previous administration started with a surplus and, thanks to Republican tax breaks for the rich, left with a huge deficit (which has decreased this year). As for the "apology," thinking Americans know that is right-wing hype. (see http://mediamatters.org/research/201110130011 and http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html. Lastly, as you should know, Americans vote for the optimist. If your side has nothing but negativity going for it, you're going to lose.
Great White North Observer, you express my sentiments very well. He is decent, and more to the point, what he says is what you get. He expresses a certain blue-collar feeling with which I agree, but it's too bad that he likes government to supercede family values like the right to die (in the case of Terri Shiavo in FL in 2005) or the right of a woman to determine her own course for her own body.
But, regardless of those nanny-state beliefs, you can take his stand on any issue to the bank, and get full interest on it. In the case of Gingrich and Mitt, they may decide to simply default.
Santorum is a douchebag. Evil, evil douchebag.
I remember being brought to a rally, in downtown Seattle, there were Women marching and chanting make abortion, legal and safe, and no more wire coat hangers, had chains etc. We were part of a group from, our Catholic church St Edwards I had to be about 10. I grew up and while I would never have an abortion myself, I do want them to be legal and SAFE for Women, and I feel PP does a great job, with family planning and education. And I definitely believe in birthcontrol, and I feel if education was more available, not just abstinence only, it would cut down on unwanted pregnancies. Santorum talks like it's the 60's all over again, and hey we don't need to go there!
Heh, heh, heh ,,, maybe Mr. 'Saint'-torum had a conversation with his god who told him to ...
hang in there brother ... I'm gonna produce a miracle just for you in this primary. Maybe the same miracles he'll be asking for if he ever became president ( I shudder to think) GO HOME !!! Rick and thump your bible somewhere else.
Rick Santorum might end up being the last man standing. Don't give up and don't give in Rick.
He is the only Conservative Republican candidate for POTUS.
Romney is the same book as Obama with a different cover. Their policies mirror each other. In public they appear to be against each other but in private they are working towards the New World Order. also known as the Old Moon Chaos, the Old World Chaos or the New World Chaos.
In the New World Chaos we the people will lose all of our rights of freedom as Citizens and become Subjects (SLAVES) in the New World Chaos.
Obama is an imposter. He has no right to be POTUS. Obama is not a natural born citizen of America. Obama has dual citizenship. Indonesia and USA and was born in Kenya according to his Grandma.
Obama is leading America to its darkest days into the Age of Enslavement by proliferating Class Warfare and poverty.
yum - the kool aide must be really tasty, eh? santorum is the last candidate that anyone should EVER want - maybe you could run and do a better job? Think of all of the free money...
Rick Santorum will lead us into the Promise Land of the Age of Enlightenment where the truth shall live and the lies will die. Rick believes in you and if you believe in HIM than we the people will win again.
Nominate Rick Santorum for President of the United States of America 2012
Rick Santorum you and Ron Paul should get together to pool your resources and win the Republican nomination for POTUS. You two together would win by a landslide.
jeffrey D Parks
You make Santorum sound like Jesus. He's no Jesus and his moral aren't what you believe them to be. He knows he can't win, so he's taken the holier than now positions with the hope of getting the nod for VP.
You can ignore Jeffery, he is off his meds, again. A day or two ago, he was talking about the FEMA concentration camps. If you want a good laugh, click on his name, and read his past comments.
You won't be laughing when you are in one of those FEMA concentration camps.
The New World Chaos will be at your front door before you know what happened.
Wake Up America
The truth shall set you free.
Sharia Law and the lies will keep you on a ball and chain.
Jeffrey: Uh... you do realize that Glenn Beck is off the air, right?
Jerry, please get your meds checked. The American People don't want or need theocracy.
The GOP got money money money. Let them die die die
The GOP like the NYG they got to E LIE. WAKE UP AMERICA!
Who cares - he's tits on a boar hog. UTTERLY WORTHLESS