Between the Rockies and a political hard place, Romney hits Obama

Brian Snyder / Reuters

U.S. Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney speaks at a campaign rally at Springs Fabrication on Saturday in Colorado Springs, Colo.

 

COLORADO SPRINGS -- In the shadow of the front range of the Rocky Mountains, Mitt Romney found himself between a rock and political hard place, hitting President Barack Obama on improving unemployment numbers, and attacking the 2009 stimulus on a factory floor that accepted a contract that included stimulus funds.


"This president came into office and said: 'Ok, we're going to get this economy going by borrowing $787 billion dollars in stimulus.' And he said if we borrowed that money he would hold unemployment below 8 percent. It has not been below 8 percent since. And he's celebrating that it's at 8.3. Well that's still above the emergency line of 8 percent, and by the way, he doesn't get credit for things getting better," Romney said. "I'm delighted things are getting better, I think they are, but the people who deserve the credit for things getting better are people like Tom who built a place like this and employed people in this great state."

Tom is Tom Neppl, the CEO of Springs Fabrication, whom Romney praised as a job creator, and whose factory floor held roughly 1000 Romney supporters here Saturday.

Romney said that Springs Fabrication, which accepted a contract in 2010 that included $2 million dollars in stimulus funds, was emblematic of the private sector job growth he would support, and that the stimulus did not work as it "should have."

"That stimulus he had, it did not do the job. I mean, I understand Tom said he was working on a project that got some stimulus money. I asked, well, were you able to hire more people because of that, he said no. Didn't add any more people, just more money into the system, but no more people hired," Romney said. "That stimulus did not create private sector jobs like it should have, like it could have, it instead protected government jobs."

Romney's renewed focus on the economy, and on Obama, comes as most polls show him likely cruising to victory in Nevada on Saturday night. He did not mention any of his Republican rivals by name or even allude to them. The frontrunner's campaign, clearly confident in his fortunes in Nevada, spent much of the day flying back and forth to Colorado, which holds its caucus on Tuesday.

Romney was joined at his rally today by Sen. John Thune, R-SD, who also sounded a general election message, telling the crowd that Obama would try to "distract" them in the fall.

"He's going to talk about fairness. You know what that means? That means he would like to tax people more so the federal government in Washington can spend more. Because he wants to redistribute the pie," Thune said. "Well we have the great privilege this year of having a candidate who doesn't want to redistribute the pie, he wants to make the pie bigger for everybody."

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Comment author avatarFeisty Redhead Roselle, ILExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

One of these days... wouldn't it be refreshing to hear what Willard's plans are to supposedly get America back on track?

Instead, it's more worn out rhetoric, lies & a dash of BS!

Then again, when these type of people are what is considered your 'base' is comes as NO surprise!

Apparently, the RWNJ's can't start indoctrinating the next generation of hate mongers early enough;

But for many here, Romney is their man, largely because he's the most likely to beat Obama.

That's the case for Brooke Collinsworth, 5, who came with her mother Stephanie. (Her father was in the hospital, having just fractured his shoulder in a motorcycle accident.)

Standing in line to enter the rally, her mother handed her a flyer with a small photo of Obama. "I don't want it! There's a picture of Obama on there," she told her mom, trying to throw the flyer back at her.

Asked by HuffPost what her objection was to the president, she said, "He's mean."

"He's not mean," her mother corrected. "We don't like his policies."

"We don't like his policies," confirmed Brooke

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/04/nevada-caucus-2012_n_1253871.html

  • 49 votes
#1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:58 PM EST

"attacking the 2009 stimulus on a factory floor that accepted a contract that included stimulus funds"

Was Mittens lost? Why did he choose that factory? ......Guess he'll chalk this one up to another mis-speak!

Mittens is an idiot!

  • 54 votes
#1.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:16 PM EST

You are being awfully hard on idiots everwhere.

  • 22 votes
#1.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:31 PM EST
Comment author avatarFeisty Redhead Roselle, ILExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

You are being awfully hard on idiots everwhere.

Apologies Al!

I just have zero tolerance for the stuck on stupid crowd & the hate brigade! ;o)

  • 40 votes
#1.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:34 PM EST

Oops!...My bad.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:42 PM EST

More proof that Willard has no idea what he's saying in relation to where he's saying it. Talk about Mitt spinning; it didn't create jobs ignoring that $2 Million in stimulus probably saved jobs. Remember Mitt, "save or create" jobs is what President Obama said it would do.

Feisty, that little 5 yr old got the idea that President Obama is "mean" from someone and that someone was likely standing beside her.

  • 41 votes
#1.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:46 PM EST

Feisty, that little 5 yr old got the idea that President Obama is "mean" from someone and that someone was likely standing beside her.

Oh YOU betcha Jody - while baking chocolate chip cookies...

How sad!

  • 32 votes
#1.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST

Fiesty, do you mean the old Obama rhetoric "blame Bush" that we heard time after time from Obama?

We are in serious debt. A change is needed.

  • 13 votes
#1.7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:21 PM EST

papbran, pay attention, here is a little thought experiment that you need to apply whenever you try to blame President Obama for the current economic problems we are having:

Driver A of car B, kills pedestrian C in a hit and run incident. Before the police figure out it was driver A who was the culprit, driver A sells the car to driver D. The police finally find out it was car B that hit the pedestrian, and was driven by driver A.

Who should they arrest? Driver A who drove the car when pedestrian C was killed? Or driver D, who is now driving the car?

Whose fault was the death? Driver A? Or driver D?

  • 43 votes
#1.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:32 PM EST
Comment author avatarHopeful AmericanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Won't it be refreshing to actually have a President again that is actually pro-America? A President that actually believes people can do better for themselves than the government can? A President that actually won't kiss the butts of our enemies?

All this pathetic joke of a President can do is read really well off a teleprompter! And not take responsibility for anything. Everything is someone else's fault. The experiment is done - and Obama can go back to his crook and terrorist friends and racist preacher in Chicago.

It's so sad that some Americans have gotten so stuck in the hand-out mentality, that they actually have no expectations of our President. All the want is to suck off the government t i t. What these people don't realize that those of us that work hard are sick and tired of giving our money to lazy useless people that won't wipe their own a s s e s!

  • 13 votes
#1.9 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:35 PM EST

I understand it's not any of my business but I can't help but wonder what kind of life you have as you are most times first to post.

  • 8 votes
#1.10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:36 PM EST

Wow, Hopeful American, eight Republican/TP Inc. talking points in one post of less than 100 words. I never thought such ignorance, and idiocy could be displayed in such a compact form.

Well done.

  • 30 votes
#1.11 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:40 PM EST
Comment author avatarHopeful AmericanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Matthew:

Better go back to school and learn to count! But being dumb idiots is how Obama likes his people.

  • 9 votes
#1.12 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:47 PM EST

HOPEFUL AMERICAN....DID YOU CALL ANY OF GW PREACHERS RACIST???? The pathetic joke is staring you in the face every morning when you look in the mirror.Your ugly American arrogance is what gets people like me who wear uniforms killed.What would be refreshing would be that you have some humilty about how lucky we are.He damn well didnt put us in the hole but he sure kept us from drowning in it.And for your info REV Wright is a decorated MARINE FROM NAMM ....WHAT ARE YOU??????? BESIDES A MOUTH.

  • 42 votes
#1.13 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:51 PM EST

The billions or should I say trillons wasted by this administration still leaves my wife unemployed since 2009 , why didnt they just devide it up among all the people that were poor in this country , that was enough money wasted to make a lot of people in this country rich but is seemed to be wasted , on their friends. If we want things to go from bad to worse than just put Obama back in office , and if people dont believe it just relect Mr. O and and let the bad times roll, you think gas and foods high now just hang around if he gets back in office.

  • 8 votes
#1.14 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:52 PM EST

The jobs started coming back when the Republicans took over Congress.

Hopeful: It will also be a relief when we have a President who really MEANS it when he takes the oath to protect and preserve the Constitution of the U.S. Obama just think "protect and preserve" "means keeping it hermetically sealed. He even claims that Jesus wants him to raise taxes. So he's rewriting the Bible too.

  • 6 votes
#1.15 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:56 PM EST

Plans? Mitt's plan is to get his pathologically narcissistic ego elected President. Once that happens, he will feel fulfilled, and since it's all about Mitt and his ego, he doesn't need to have a plan for after.

  • 15 votes
#1.16 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:58 PM EST

Carl:

None of GW's were! And no, he didn't put us in the hole, but he dug it so much deeper that we may never get out. He's racked up more than every President of our country combined. If you see that as successful, more power to you!

What will get people who actually do wear uniforms killed is this pathetic weakling of a leader who wants to decimate our military. Obama is a complete failure, except of course, to those that want to stay on the dole.

  • 8 votes
#1.17 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:05 PM EST

"Well we have the great privilege this year of having a candidate who doesn't want to redistribute the pie, he wants to make the pie bigger for everybody."

Okay, great. How you gonna do that? More tax breaks for the already wealthy that don't pay their fair share, like yourself Mitt? Read that book before. Doesn't work. So in the immortal words of Judge Smales, "Well, we're waiting!"

  • 20 votes
#1.18 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:08 PM EST

What will get people who actually do wear uniforms killed is this pathetic weakling of a leader who wants to decimate our military.

I would love to decimate you verbally, but everytime I do that I get suspended by the mods. Just let me say gently that you are truly clueless and add nothing to any conversation except humor.

  • 17 votes
#1.19 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:14 PM EST

I wonder if he is really from this country at all , a lot of people believe his intention was to destroy this country , if you find out who he use to hang out with , I believe most were commies or socialist , rigth Mr Bill. As it is said actions speak louder than words , and we have seen a lot of wrong action and to many lying words.

  • 6 votes
#1.20 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:15 PM EST

This sounds just like George W. Bush should get credit for killing Osama Bin Laden. I still remember balanced budgets and Trillions in surplus that Bush had before he bankrupted our country. Go ahead elect another Republican to completely finish off America. Go ahead and keep preaching the same BS that killed this Country. Every GOP tax plan kills the middle class and only benefits the richest Americans. The GOP says that the "job creators" will do more if we lower their tax rate but there were three tax cuts for the wealthy in the first six years of the Bush reign and the last two years we were in the Great Recession?? What happened? After those tax cuts we should have had a boom time per the GOP. Every poll taken says that over 70% of Americans want the rich and big corporations to pay their fair share so why is it the GOP refuses to do the will of the people and only worries about the top 1%? Reality never bothers them it seems. I want this country to be fair!

  • 29 votes
#1.21 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:24 PM EST
Comment author avatarHopeful AmericanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

tonybeerm said;

I would love to decimate you verbally, but everytime I do that I get suspended by the mods. Just let me say gently that you are truly clueless and add nothing to any conversation except humor.

I could care less what you have to say . . . so go for it! We all have our own opinions, and I think yours are as clueless and pathetic as you think mine are. So what?! Obviously when you respond to someone it is because the statement strikes a cord with you. If not, why would you bother to respond?

  • 3 votes
#1.22 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:28 PM EST

wouldn't it be refreshing to hear what Willard's plans are to supposedly get America back on track?

Oh, it's easy to guess, it's the standard Teapublican program - Benefit the rich, screw everybody else.

Mitt has already announced plans for tax cuts that mainly benefit the very rich, not surprising, so have all the other Republican candidates. Of course, Mitt's favorite tax cut idea is one that would reduce his 14% down to 0.

  • 17 votes
#1.23 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:44 PM EST

I dont know fiesty. Willard or B.O.? Which is worse - I mean BO stinks, but Willard is such a weird name.

  • 1 vote
#1.24 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:08 AM EST

is willy wondering what happened?

Here...for you:

Elizabeth Warren Explailns, Why the Bailout Failed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krP8e4O81Qk

I love this lady, she explains it so a judge and jury

can comprehend, or understand what happened.

Check it out ...romney.

  • 4 votes
#1.25 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:21 AM EST

Hmmm... Speaking of following the money - if Newton does keep his threat, and stays in the race until the very end, think of all the money he would be wasting. I really do believe that his chances of getting elected POTUS are about the same as him becoming the next Czar of Russia.

Mittens has the charisma of a rutabaga. Can you imagine a White House and administration staffed with religious zealots?

Santorum and Paul have zero chance at becoming POTUS, as in they could probably become the next premier of China quicker than becoming POTUS.

The sad fact is this: The Republican Party is in shambles, because the Party became a cesspool of conservative Christian Bible thumpers. Until a Republican candidate appears who has some credible experience with budgets, creating jobs, and who truly cares about people who are less fortunate, the Republican Party will be in the toilet.

  • 13 votes
#1.26 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 4:36 AM EST

8.3% is pretty good considering jobs were being lost at the rate of 750,000 a month when Obama took over. That quickly stopped, and we have had 2 1/2 years of steady job growth. If Party Boy Bush wouldn't have dug such a big hole, it wouldn't take so long to fill it. Simple.

No, Willard, you won't get a chance to dig it again, break up the United States, and sell the pieces like when you played with people's lives running Vulture Bain Capital.

  • 12 votes
#1.27 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 7:48 AM EST

Composer: Forgive me for guffawing at your comment...but have you NOT met THE most inflated ego on the planet? His name is OBAMA.

Starderup? "Jobs loss quickly stopped when Obama took over"..?? Oh, really? More jobs have been lost since he took office. The jobs began to come back once under the Republicans Congress. If left to Obama and the previous Congress businesses would have been taxed out of existenence, and jobs along with it. Even his "job czar" sent thousands of jobs overseas with G.E. His "green" jobs were lost too, taking hundreds of millions of our tax dollars down the drain with it.

  • 2 votes
#1.28 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:39 AM EST

papabran-3513727

We are in serious debt. A change is needed.

Yes, papabran...a change is needed.

The change we need is for Americans to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Mann Coulter, and others like them who are only out to make money for themselves by tearing down this country, and don't have the first clue how to turn around the economy.

The change we need is for closed-minded people to educate themselves about economics and actually listen to the other side.

The change we need is for the American public to turn off Fox News and embrace reality.

The change we need is for Americans to care about America and its future, to ensure its place in the world.

The change we need is for the opposition and the public to let the President try it his way.

The Bush way was clearly a disaster for this country.

  • 15 votes
#1.29 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:00 AM EST

Matthew, Houston, TX

papbran, pay attention, here is a little thought experiment that you need to apply whenever you try to blame President Obama for the current economic problems we are having:

Driver A of car B, kills pedestrian C in a hit and run incident. Before the police figure out it was driver A who was the culprit, driver A sells the car to driver D. The police finally find out it was car B that hit the pedestrian, and was driven by driver A.

Who should they arrest? Driver A who drove the car when pedestrian C was killed? Or driver D, who is now driving the car?

Whose fault was the death? Driver A? Or driver D?

However, if Driver D was to drive over the body, and reverse over it, and then drive over it again....he then bears some responsibility too!

  • 1 vote
#1.30 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:39 AM EST
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It would benefit all of the commenters and yourself

It would benefit all of the commenters & yourself, if you would cease with the freakin spam trolling!!!

You have posted the same @!$%# 20 x's on this thread alone!

Once was more then enough!

Try some quality over quantity next time....

  • 6 votes
#1.34 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 11:37 AM EST

Gee, Hopelessful American, will they also teach me how to see into the future? You were editing your comment while I was counting the idiocy, and ignorance in your original post.

So, that means you are still an idiot.

  • 2 votes
#1.35 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:31 PM EST

Hmm, mqira, nice try but an epic FAIL.

Seems that the economy under the policies that President Obama has managed to get by the obstructionist Republican/TP Inc. House , and record breaking Senate filibusters have put the lie to your assumption: 22 months of private sector job growth, better than expected job growth for 2 months in a row, the stock market hitting a level not seen for 6 years, corporations making record profits, to name just a few.

Now, if we could get some job creating bills past the filibustering Senate, and ideologically moribund House, we could get more people off of welfare, and food stamps, who were put there as a result of the Republican/TP Inc. caused recession.

  • 10 votes
#1.36 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:40 PM EST

Hoepful American - give it up. You will never get these liberals to understand logic and common sense. Obama is actually worse than Jimmy Carter, but these libs will never admit it. Carter sat on his butt while Iran held American hostages; he sat on his butt while unemployment went up; he sat on his butt while inflation went through the roof; he sat on his butt while people had to wait to buy gas because of oil shortages.

Obama on the other hand, has spent trillions on dollars on useless programs, shoved Obamacare down our throats, has turned us more and more into a welfare state and is cutting our military while Iran is trying to get nukes, China is getting stronger and N Korea is more neurotic. I wish Obama would just sit on his butt and let the clock run out on his Presidency!

  • 3 votes
#1.37 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:10 PM EST

hayday:

Matthew, Houston, TX If Obummer want to take credit for the good, he has to take credit for the bad.

He went to Arizona to take credit for the Gila Bend Solar Electric Plant that was designed and built before he was president.

Only took me less than 5 minutes to prove that you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about, hayday. President Obama was not talking about the first Gila Bend plant, idiot. There are 3 solar plants near the town of Gila Bend, and he was talking about this:

Abengoa's 280 megawatt Solana Concentrated Solar Power Project (CSP) is now backed by the $1.45 billion loan guarantee in sunny Gila Bend, Arizona.

http://www.gilabendaz.org/SolarPlants.html

http://www.gilabendaz.org/Gila%20Bend%20Assets/Abengoa%20-%20President%27s%20Recover%20Act%20Announcement%2003Jul10.pdf

And none of them were built before he took office. Planning for the first did not even start until 2008.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20080221005237/en/APS-Announces-Solar-Power-Plant-Worlds-Largest

Now take your lying self, and leave, hayday.

  • 6 votes
#1.38 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:18 PM EST

You're right, Kumar, Hopelessful American should give it up. What you call logic, and common sense, are actually defined as lies, and idiocy. So far, I've shown how Hopelessful American has lied several times over.

  • 5 votes
#1.39 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:22 PM EST

Matthew, Houston, TX When did Obama take office? January 2009 right? The plans had been worked on since when? Take a wild guess. When did Gila Bend put into production the experimental plants? Take a guess before 2008. Now the planning and the proving that the concept would work did take place before Obama took office.

He has no right to tell the American public that Gila Bend Solar Energy plant was his administration's success. If you liberals are going to lie, then find something that cannot be verified.

You have no idea how many years of planning went into Gila Bend, how long it took to acquire the land, how long it took for the experimental project to be built and tested and modified to work.

This all happened years before Obama took office and Obama's administration did not put one penny or one idea into the plant. So shove your comment where the sun don't shine.

Typical liberal double speak.

By the way why didn't Obummer capture bin Laden? What was the urgency to kill him and lose all the information he had in his head?

And tell me why was the body dumped before so called DNA confirmation was received. The body was dumped on Obummer's orders.

Now why did Obummer refuse to release his education records and LSAT scores? Who paid for his education and why did Obummer never have a job where he hired one person or every have a job where he earned his own money?

Why did Obummer only get a job at a small civil rights law office where he was only a researcher?

Why did Obummer give his Pastor Wright a specially created job in the White house where Obummer refuses to divulge his salary, duties and even if Pastor Wright has ever showed up for one day's job?

Why did Obummer sit in the first pew of Pastor Wright's church and listen continuously to the Anti American preachings that America was responsible for 9/11 and the sermons on Jew Baiting? Why didn't Obummer complain? Why did Obummer help build Wright a 1.2 million dollar mansion, tax free?

Why are Obummer's relatives who are in the U.S. illegally still here?

Why will Obummer not reveal the name of the person who ghost wrote his books. When did he write them? Obummer's own publisher wanted his $300,000 advance back as Obama refused to honor his commitments. Then the publisher admitted that Obama could not have written the books. There is no history of Obama every writing anything previously even in college.

Face it Obummer is a fraud.

  • 1 vote
#1.40 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:52 PM EST

Ughhh, stone. Why would bin Laden tell us anything???? Plus we got a ton of info in his hideout. And wouldn't the terrorists be all over trying to attack us???? And if news got out that we tortured him, all the people in the world would be praising how he "stood up to the Great Satan" and would blast the US for being a torturing cesspool of corruption.

And I think that Obama doesn't have to give his education records, considering that he was accused of being a foreigner (and a Muslim) and had to show his birth certificate (ain't that a once-in-a-lifetime deal??).

And Happy American, what makes you think that Obama is anti-American???? Why would a guy who was born into a middle-class family and eventually achieved his dreams because of the opportunity in the this nation hate the very country that helped him become who he is???? And since when is saying no to more tax cuts for the wealthy at a time of great economic and fiscal stress is class warfare???? And I have yet to hear from any conservative any criticism of Romney's tax plans, which would give millionaires hundreds of thousands in new breaks while giving the middle class a paltry three hundred and forcing people who make UNDER $40,000 pay MORE. That, and the fact that the GOP is willing to cut billions from essentially safety net programs like food stamps and Medicare while preserving tax cuts for the wealthy makes me and millions of Americans feel that the GOP is out of touch with both America and reality.

Obama is not opting for class warfare. He is just saying no to the decades of failed economic policies supported by the right wing and by conservatives on both parties. Yes, I know that income inequality is reduced when the ENTIRE pie grows, but we have grown for nearly a half-century and yet the middle class is weaker than it was fifty or sixty years ago. If we keep following policies of trickle-down economics, America will be an oligarchy by 2025. We have to stop all these cuts in taxes and social services and get SERIOUS. We need to repeal the Bush tax cuts, RAISE taxes to make sure everyone is paying a FAIR SHARE, cut spending in useless areas like foreign military adventures, invest in education and healthcare, and start letting the REAL job creators (the middle class) prosper again. I am willing to vote for Obama, and I hope millions of Americans are willing to. Because they are TIRED of the failed policies of right-wing extremism and want to get back to the ideals that made this country great, like equal opportunity, good education, and everyone doing their fair share. The GOP doesn't get it, and it will be a great day when the American people get their revenge for the failed economic policies and partisan bickering that the right has propagated.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

AMERICA 2012

DEMOCRATS 2012

CLASS WARFARE MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 5 votes
#1.41 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:17 PM EST

Stone515----Ask Romney the same questions. Who paid for his education? Where is his Birth Certificate? Where did he get his money? If his whole Family comes from and has lived there all their lives,how did he get here? He wants to be President but< he doesn't want to pay taxes or want any of his rich corrupt friends to do so. This pissant wants to delete the poor people. It is sh-theads like him that keep the people poor. Go to Mexico and look at how and where his family live. Then look at the people all around him. They are peons. That is the way Willard the spic wants you to live. Of course being a Fox propaganda troll, you don't have the ability to see that. You Rethuglican idiots better hope and pray that there won't be one of that Party elected.Think I will go and puke on his picture now. Agggggg Willard you lying corrupt thug.

  • 3 votes
#1.42 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:23 PM EST

Feisty, do you think America's middle class has a chance??? Do you think that we will make it out of this one??? I need confidence. I don't want to live in an oligarchy.

  • 3 votes
#1.43 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:51 PM EST

Feisty, do you think America's middle class has a chance???

Freshiee,

Only if we re-elect President Obama to keep the brakes on 30+ years of trickle down economics.

Do you think that we will make it out of this one???

Yes, but not without a battle...

I need confidence

He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.

Sun Tzu

PS: I can smell the fear of the right a mile away - as demonstrated by the collapse cowards around here!

  • 2 votes
#1.44 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 4:02 PM EST

Stonehead-5151739, did you even take the time to do any research on the project? Good god, man, I provided links, and even a direct quote from the links, as well as corrected what you claimed he said. You are now just being obtuse. You aren't worth any more time, so I will not even debunk all of the other lies in your post.

Oh, and it's President Obama, to you, d!ckhead.

  • 3 votes
#1.45 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 6:16 PM EST

Bob Hall....Your ranting is nothing more than a desperate fishing expedition. Where DO you get your material? Ripley's Believe it or Not?

  • 1 vote
#1.46 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:07 PM EST

The unemployment numbers have been manipulated to show only 8.3% unemployment by shrinking the work force numbers. Mark Twain said: There are three kinds of lie, lies, damn lies, and statistics. If they keep shrinking the number of available jobs percentage, they can eventually show we have 0% unemployment! President Obama said he deserves a second term. I say we wait until the election to see if the American people feel the same.

    #1.47 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST

    Matthew, Houston TX:

    I'm sticking with you can't count!

      #1.48 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:48 PM EST
      Reply

      So the guy pocketed $2 million in stimulus money and didn't hire anybody. Why aren't you going after him like you did Solyandra Willard?

      • 27 votes
      #2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST

      Yes Mitten Solandra was financialy devestated by the Chinese subsidizing the cost of solar panels.

      The Chinese government subsidy of solar panels, made in China, resulted in the solar panel industry in the USA and Europe having to reduce their Gross Profit Margins from 28% to 14%. When your Gross Margin (overhead cost and profit) decline below 20% you are going to experience bankruptcy even if your gross sales remain steady. The worst situation is that you can not reduce your gross margin to 14% and survive, so your gross sales decline rapidly and you run out of operating capital (cash), this results in financial bankruptcy. Mr Issa that is a simple business reality and you damn well know that the unfair Chinese Trade killed the Solar Industry in the USA and Europe.

      • 22 votes
      #2.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST

      THANK YOU for keeping the "Solyndra" fiasco alive.

      ABO 2012

      • 4 votes
      #2.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST

      Yes you are correct "gross margin" and profit margin are two different things, I learned that years ago when I was trying to find distributors for a product developed from one of my patents, distributors would not touch an item unless you could guarantee them at least a 50% "gross margin" on it.

      • 11 votes
      #2.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:23 PM EST

      Speaking og Jobs willy..

      Your State ranked #47th out of 50 states, when you

      were supposed to be in charge.....

      pitiful..

      http://www.democrats.org/news/december-15-GOP-debate/as_governor_romney_ranked_47th_out_of_50_in_job_creation_while_wages_income

      • 10 votes
      #2.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:00 AM EST

      Are people really debating who would be better between Mitt and Obama? They are nearly identical! We gave Obama 4 years...he took many vacations...(gotta give him that)....but on everything else....they are nearly identical, and both would follow the order from their boss....Goldman Sachs! They are the same!

      They both SucK!

      • 1 vote
      #2.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:56 AM EST
      haydayDeleted

      follow the money Tell the whole story please. The state was bankrupt and Romney had to work with a democratic congress. He stopped the job bleeding, reversed the economy that was going bankrupt, cut unemployment by 16% raised the take home pay of the employed by 10% and put 50,000 jobs back in the Massachusetts economy. He took it from 50th to 47th and was barred from running again by the election laws. He provided the state with a surplus without raising taxes and raised tax home pay of the employed. He had a line item veto which was overridden 700 times by the democratic Mass. congress.

      Bet those Mass voters were sorry that Romney couldn't be reelected. Anyone who turns around a state's finances without raising taxes, increases employment and increases take home pay is a person to keep around. What were you saying follow the money?

      • 1 vote
      #2.7 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:13 PM EST

      follow the money You have to use nonpartisan references, not a biased slanted liberal one.

        #2.8 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:16 PM EST

        Here we go again with the same mantra-"rob the poor blind to help the wealthy" but nobody in these threads will bother to define what they mean by "the poor". One would get the feeling that all of the posters to these threads on on the public dole and afraid that the bread will literally be taken off their table. I don't feel very wealthy by anyone's standards, but I don't feel that conservative policies are going to cause my to lose my job, lose my home, live in the streets without food and clothing; however, if the liberal policies continue as they are, that might become a reality.

        • 1 vote
        #2.9 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 9:16 AM EST

        The gap between the wealthy and poor is at an all time high after 8 years of Bushonomics (starving the beast). I'd expect that gap to lessen with Obama and Democrats as they are the only ones that care about the middle class.

        • 6 votes
        #2.10 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 10:41 AM EST

        Don't those bit*&ing about China remember how China became an economic superpower?

        Why, it's thank to good old GOP President Richard Nixon - he opened America's markets to them, and the story was written.

        That was supposed to be a boon for America. Like a lot of the GOP's policies, though, we need to look more than one election cycle down the road to see what they really have in store for us.

        • 5 votes
        #2.11 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 10:57 AM EST

        In his 2008 book Unequal Democracy, Larry Bartels, a Princeton political scientist, writes:

        [T]he narrowly economic focus of most previous studies of inequality has caused them to miss what may be the most important single influence on the changing U.S. income distribution over the past half-century—the contrasting policy choices of Democratic and Republican presidents. Under Republican administrations, real income growth for the lower- and middle-classes has consistently lagged well behind the income growth rate for the rich—and well behind the income growth rate for the lower and middle classes themselves under Democratic administrations.

        Bartels came to this conclusion by looking at average annual pre-tax income growth (corrected for inflation) for the years 1948 to 2005, a period encompassing much of the egalitarian Great Compression and all of the inegalitarian Great Divergence (up until the time he did his research). Bartels broke down the data according to income percentile and whether the president was a Democrat or a Republican. Figuring the effects of White House policies were best measured on a one-year lag, Bartels eliminated each president's first year in office and substituted the year following departure. Here is what he found:

        http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/archive/2010/09/1_123125_2265681_100908_gd_part5_chart.gif

        Translation: EVERYONE does better when a Democrat is in the White House.

        • 6 votes
        #2.12 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 11:10 AM EST

        Three times, I have watched my economic future wither away, savings dwindle, buying power non-existent, the ability to pay bills, let alone enjoy and disposable income-gone! Carter, Clinton, and now Obama. I guess that makes me one of the 1%, and yet I have never even come close to making 50K per year. How is that possible?

          #2.13 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:16 PM EST

          he said if we borrowed that money he would hold unemployment below 8 percent. It has not been below 8 percent since.

          If Mitt wasn't such a liar he would admit that:

          1) President Obama said no such thing, and

          2) The unemployment rate had already surpassed 8% by February 2009, Obama's first full month in office.

          Mitt Romney: He won't tell the truth, and he won't pay taxes.

          • 2 votes
          #2.14 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 5:15 PM EST

          Sue, if you saw your finances crumble under Clinton did it EVER occur to you that maybe you are/were doing something wrong? Democrats take credit for the prosperous Clinton era because he was president. Republicans take credit because Republicans were the majority in Congress during many of the Clinton years. So, both Democrats and Republicans seem to agree on one thing - the 90's were a pretty good time financially. Your post blasting Democrats for you situation seems biased and not reality.

          • 4 votes
          #2.15 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:14 PM EST
          Reply

          Romney is as tone deaf on the economy as he is on what it means to be poor. Listening to him and the other GOP naysayers since Friday's good jobs report, one realizes the republicans sound like doomsday preachers. No optimism, none of Reagan's "Morning in America" is heard from them. Truth is they sound like a bunch of angry, cranky, curmudgeons.

          In Mitt Romney we are supposed to believe that because he ran a business, that means he can run Government. Here's a man who has repeatedly said that the foreclosure crisis should continue, just let it bottom out and then let investors buy the homes and rent them out. In ordinary recessions and circumstances, that would make sense except many of these homes are in foreclosure simply because of the reckless behavior of the banks and lending institutions. It was Wall Street greed that caused the financial meltdown which caused millions to lose their jobs which in turn meant people struggled to keep their homes. Add the plummeting home values and we have extraordinary circumstances--a near Great Depression. A man who looks at the crisis only through the eyes of supply and demand, free market ups and downs, does not have the insight or ability to recognize that a country, its people are not a business to sink or swim in the name of free market.

          • 35 votes
          #3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:34 PM EST

          The entire GOP has worked 3+ years now -- non-stop -- to stall, subvert or block the economic recovery so they could then turn around and twist it to blame President Obama...

          That folks, is called HIGH TREASON!!!

          Now that it is clear -- for 16 straight months of persistent growth and gradual improvement -- that the economy is STILL slowly recovering, the only thing one can honestly say about the TREASONOUS wall-street corrupted republicans, is that good economic news is actually a political disappointment to them!!!

          The GOP did not and NEVER WANTED economic recovery to happen on President Obama's watch!!!

          The wall-street owned and elitist managed GOP is OBVIOUSLY no more than a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!!!

          • 50 votes
          #3.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST

          Add Ron Paul to the list with his constant "the revolution has begun" statements.

          Clearly this sounds like subversion!

          • 16 votes
          #3.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:53 PM EST

          Hey Buddy:

          The Democrats had total control for over 2 1/2 years! How weak and pathetic to blame the total ineptness of this failed President on a bullsh** lie. And what's treasonous is having an Anti-American President doing his best to destroy our country.

          We aren't going to let him - he is done!

          • 7 votes
          #3.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:55 PM EST

          Buddy what planet do you live on , the repubs have given this prez bills to help the economy and they cant get past the dem controlled senate and when Obama got in there the dems controlled both senate and congress and they couldnt balance the budget , all they did was put us in a deeper hole.If you people on the left would get your heads out of your as... and come up for air you would see the truth, or dont you remember when Bush left office the unempolyment was at about 5.4 percent and gas was down to 1.85 a gallon and now unemployment is really about 10 percent and gas has been over 3 dollars a gallon for over a year or more, and he doesnt want a pipeline from Canada , so now it will go to China and their gas will drop and ours will continue to go up. Can you people that believe everything your told by cnn and msnbc and the view get a clue.

          • 8 votes
          #3.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:08 PM EST

          BuddyThisToo~~

          The entire GOP has worked 3+ years now -- non-stop -- to stall, subvert or block the economic recovery so they could then turn around and twist it to blame President Obama...

          PLEASE: Give up the scapegoating, 1st "Bush"...now "The GOP"

          Obama has been a Pathetic Fail, OWN IT!! He spent TRILLIONS of wasted taxpayer dollars for NOTHING!!

          • 4 votes
          #3.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:43 AM EST
          • 1 vote
          #3.6 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:05 AM EST

          [The Democrats had total control for over 2 1/2 years!]

          Hopeful American, that is simply not true. That, my friend, is the "bull@!$%# lie".

          FAIL...

          • 14 votes
          #3.7 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:08 AM EST

          hopeful american your choking on someone's tea bag. Your not getting enough oxygen to breath. Your scraping the bottom of the right wing turd bucket. Its all over your face and body & you stink. There is not a hope for bottom feeders like you. Please go back to the crap you call a life and crawl back under your rock. By the way IGNORE YOU! Take that anyway you want!

          • 12 votes
          #3.8 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:46 AM EST
          haydayDeleted
          haydayDeleted

          Hopelessful American, you lie when you say the Democrats had total control for 2 1/2 years. First off, that is impossible since the election cycle of the House is only 2 years, and second, they only had a 60 vote advantage for 1 month and 18 days in 2009 (Senator Franken finally took office on July 7th, Senator Kennedy left office on August 25th). In addition to that, with two of those Senate votes being Independents, and the blue dog Democrats, even that 60 vote 'advantage' was tenuous, at best, and was actually only done once. Stop lying about it.

          wayne, every single bill the Republican/TP Inc. party has passed, called 'job creating' given to the Senate to debate, has been shown to actually be job killing bills that would ballon our debt, and deficit. Not a single one has been scored by a non-partisan group, and found to be a 'job creating' bill. Not a single one. Calling a bill a 'job creating' bill does not make it so.

          wayne, the unemployment rate when Bush left office was over 8% (and losing over 700,000 jobs a month), gas was over $2.00 a gallon, and the oil from the XL pipeline was going to go to China, anyway (now it will simply go there from a different port).

          Before you start asking what planet someone else is from, or calling others clueless, you might want to look around and see what planet you are on, and get a clue yourself. But you've posted here before, you've been told that what you said is wrong before, so the only conclusion that can be made is that you are deliberately lying.

          • 16 votes
          #3.11 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST

          If the GOP was actually SERIOUS in creating jobs, why did they pass up the American Jobs Act, which would have invested BILLIONS in infrastructure and create 2 million new jobs???? If they were serious, they would have at least not filibustered it. The recovery is slow because this was a DEPRESSION (with a d) and it will take YEARS to recover. That and the GOP has done SQUAT to help us. In fact, their right-wing trickle-up economics CAUSED this damn mess. NO to trickle-down economics. NO to these aristocratic right-wing fascists. NO to the GOP, whose ideas will make America an oligarchy. YES to compromise. YES to the ideas of equal opportunity. YES to President Obama, who may not be much but helped us get out of this depression, showed political maturity when others did not, who is a helluva lot better than the GOP clowns running against him, and who actually GIVES A DAMN about the middle class and the 99%.

          NO TO TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS.

          NO TO THE GOP.

          TO HELL WITH THE FASCIST RIGHT-WING.

          YES TO OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS 2012

          CLASS WARFARE MY ASS

          • 13 votes
          #3.13 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:36 PM EST

          A mormon, adept in the art of pillage, grinning like a mule eating saw briars, is going to be elected to the Presidency of the US? Had G W Bush never served, a slim maybe. Now though, ain't gonna happen. Rommney is pissing in the wind.

          • 4 votes
          #3.14 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:44 PM EST
          • 10 votes
          #3.15 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:47 PM EST

          The two of you are like mutt and jeff. Alphonse and Gaston. Obama has been a seat warmer and doesn't have the experience, education, dreams or knowledge how to lead this country.

          • 3 votes
          #3.16 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:54 PM EST

          @ Chilled: Regarding Ron Pauls statement; "the revolution has begun". Actually, He may in fact have said that. According to some old historical accounts, Paul Revere leased the horse He rode on his famous ride, from one "Dr. Ron Paul". Seems with the ensueing war and confusion Revere forgot to pay Paul. Paul then, after the revolution, sued Revere, claiming several more miles were traveled than needed, and added 5.5 years of interest compounded annually at a wartime rate of 20 %. Finally, an undisclosed settlement was reached with the two disliking each other forever afterward.

          • 1 vote
          #3.17 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 4:04 PM EST

          Matthew, Houston, TX Learn to do better research or lie better. The independent senators voted with the democrats 80% of the time. And for any bill to pass you need a majority plus one. 60 seats is more than adequate. How I would like to get you into a nonpartisan debate. You would be mumbling out of both sides of your mouth.

          • 2 votes
          #3.18 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:19 PM EST

          @stone

          I see you just joined. I can't make up my mind. Are you a useless troll or a worthless troll? That's OK. Either one is sufficient. I'm sure this is a re-registration from a previously banned screen name. Be gone troll.

          I love people like you. When in doubt come from a position of incredible ignorance.

          • 7 votes
          #3.19 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:24 PM EST

          walkingman1 is really, "stumblingboy-6". I suspect from the condition of drunkedness.

          • 3 votes
          #3.20 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:35 PM EST

          walkingman1, you really are a complete idiot. Except for the 1 month and 18 days I pointed out, the Democratic caucus only had 59 votes, including the 2 Independents. The Republican/TP Inc. party only needed 1 Senator to filibuster to stop a bill because it takes 60 votes to break a filibuster. And the Republican/TP Inc. Senators have filibustered a record number of times. You say that the 2 Independents voted 80% with the Democrats? That's nice, how many times did the blue dog Democrats vote against cloture?

          I lied? Where was the lie? It is one thing to make the accusation, now prove it, a$$hole.

          A debate with you? You wouldn't last one question, as you'd start out with a lie, and the debate would be over. Never mind that, judging from your posts, I am more intelligent, better read, and better educated than you. You'd be crawling off the debate floor in shame, and confusion.

          • 12 votes
          #3.21 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 6:32 PM EST

          Catfish face ( Leiberman) voted with the republicans about 73% of the time.

          • 6 votes
          #3.22 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 7:12 PM EST

          Mac Forrester

          Catfish face ( Leiberman) voted with the republicans about 73% of the time

          You mean Deputy Dog?

          • 1 vote
          #3.23 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 12:45 PM EST
          Reply

          If Obama can't take credit for the improving economy, then how can they logically apply blame to him when things go bad? It makes no sense. So whenever something good happens, someone else is the cause but everything bad has to be Obama's fault? I'm starting to see why our political system is failing.

          • 30 votes
          Reply#4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:40 PM EST

          Well, that makes perfect sense to me in a Republican way.

          After all, all I heard for the first 2 years of his presidency was how he caused the recession. It happened on his watch, it must be his fault! Now that things might (emphasize might) be getting better, well, that's not due to him! Even if it happened on his watch!

          • 26 votes
          #4.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:16 PM EST

          A dvd movie for you, EEngineer:

          "Inside The Meltdown"

          http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/view/

          for you to watch what happened.

            #4.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:22 AM EST
            haydayDeleted

            stone###### ,are you stoned? That's the second copy/paste hack job of the same thing and we're not even halfway down the page. stoned parrot is more like it.

            • 2 votes
            #4.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 7:56 PM EST

            I can't claim credit for developing the desktop PC, but if I should crash it, I have to pay for the repairs.

              #4.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST
              Reply

              Mitt wants to redistribute the pie, but he wants to take more from the poor to give to the rich. The rich meaning himself.

              • 30 votes
              Reply#5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:45 PM EST

              Keith Donaldson

              Mitt wants to redistribute the pie, but he wants to take more from the poor to give to the rich. The rich meaning himself

              I sincerely hope you folks keep beating that dead horse into the ground. By election day only the FACTS will remain.

              ABO 2012

              • 4 votes
              #5.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:47 AM EST
              haydayDeleted
              Reply

              Nice win for Romney today in the Nevada caucuses. But given that the Republicans profess hating all things European (except Swiss banks & open marriages), it’s probably best not to tell them that the real Caucasus are in Eastern Europe. And for some laughs that hit closer to Obama’s homefront, enjoy this funny YouTube video:

              • 4 votes
              Reply#6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:50 PM EST

              This is actually hilarious. Mitt says that Tom is a job creator. Of course Mitt understands that Tom The Job Creator got 2 million bucks in stimulus money. So did that help create any jobs?

              "That stimulus he had, it did not do the job. I mean, I understand Tom said he was working on a project that got some stimulus money. I asked, well, were you able to hire more people because of that, he said no. Didn't add any more people, just more money into the system, but no more people hired," Romney said.

              It didn't "add any more people, just more money into the system, but no more people hired."

              What in the name of all that is Holy can that possibly mean? The money just disappeared in a puff of smoke like the devil in the third act of Faust? Poof.

              Then Mitt goes on to say, a little anticlimactically, that the stimulus money only created more government jobs but cost private jobs. This is in contradiction to all the evidence that exists. Public jobs -- teachers and the like -- have fallen off a cliff, while jobs in the private sector account for almost all the improvement in employment rates.

              I'm kind of interested in seeing responses like these though. They're nonsense, except that they constitute a test of American intelligence. Just exactly how many lies -- how much logical garbage -- are we capable of swallowing without choking on laughter?

              • 25 votes
              Reply#7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST
              haydayDeleted

              Okay. I don't know your source on this. And some is irrelevant, like almost the entire second paragraph and the entirety of the third paragraph. But the 2 million dollars that was "mostly for materials to be delivered to Merrick to make the repairs."

              Do you think any "people" were involved in manufacturing those materials or delivering them or in making the repairs at the Merrick plant? Did they do so without being paid for it?

              If not, what did Tom do -- flush the money down the toilet?

              I still find the colloquy between Mitt and Tom kind of amusing. Your post is fairly detailed and readers of the news report might have missed some of the background you provide. It calls for a citation though.

              In any case, to answer your question, no, I don't see why the stimulus did not affect the hiring or savings of jobs -- and I don't understand how you can't see that the 2 million dollars MUST have entered circulation somewhere along the line.

              • 4 votes
              #7.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:53 PM EST

              Lets use an example. I own a company with sales of 1 million dollars and I get a job that increases my sales .2% or $2000. That is an average of $6 a day increase per day. Am I going to go out and look for and train a new person for a temporary job that is going to benefit my company by $6.00 a day?

              Just look up the Springs Fabrication web site and government contract and Merrick Industries and the information is there.

              The problem is not the readers but the article which is decidedly biased and the journalist who is not capable of being up front and honest with the readers, allowing you to decide what to think.

              The interview with the company representatives and looking over the obvious financials and thinking.......is taken away when articles such as these are published with a predetermined slant.

              Lets show you something you can relate to. I walk into your house and see a very expensive painting on your wall. Say something worth $500,000. I know you are a middle class worker and this painting is very suspicious. Should I go and tell people you are making money in a side business or write that you are living beyond your means?

              Of course not, if I want to make an issue out of it, I would say Robert, nice picture where did you get it, and you could say, my grandmother willed it to me. And that would be the end of the story.

              Here we have a writer who doesn't even look for why $2 million doesn't work in creating jobs. He goes off in a different direction on complete conjecture and the people who are anti republican and anti Romney run with it.

              You get a $10 raise and decide to hire a boy to cut your grass instead of cutting it yourself. Are you going to hire the boy everyday to do something around your house because you got a $10 a week raise. Just look at the figures, which are huge. A company with almost $1,000,000,000 in sales gets a once in a life time temporary job of $2,000,000. With a 1000 employees and a month or so work, is he going through the expense of finding, hiring, and training a worker and in a short time fire him?

              Remember nuclear power plant equipment is very expensive and if it is related to springs, the springs have to be made out of the most expensive stainless steel which is very expensive.

              The design work and the machines have to be set up and the heavy duty spring has to be produced in the exact dimensions that were part of the contract. You have to get to the government contract and find the number weight and specifications. Then you have to figure on the selling price and reduce costs etc. to find the profit. There isn't a hell of a lot of profit in it and certainly not enough to spend the profit on hiring, training and then having to fire the person for one job.

              • 2 votes
              #7.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:01 PM EST
              Reply

              If things keep improving, Romney is going to have to find a new tactic to go after the president. Also, whoever plans his campaign events must not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, or else, if planned a long ways off, find the man a different theme than the stimulus and unemployment.

              After thought, how much fun would a convention in Vegas be?

              • 14 votes
              Reply#8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST

              Convention in Vegas would be...yes, great...'Sin City"..hot, hot, hot!

              I wonder did Mittens even look in the direction of the Air Force Academy, while in Colorado Springs.....that would be a NO!

              • 8 votes
              #8.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:40 PM EST

              You know, at this point in the GOP race, old reruns on tv are more exciting. Anyone notice the candidates didn't even hang around for the caucus?

              • 13 votes
              #8.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:52 PM EST

              Newt may be there hanging out with his sugar daddy, Adelson (sp)?

              • 7 votes
              #8.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:55 PM EST

              That's right, he is hanging out at the Venetian tonight. Love to see his room service bill! (FYI I like the Bellagio better)

              Is it me, or like, everyone is getting bored with this?

              • 7 votes
              #8.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:00 PM EST

              Bored?...Yup, and there are so many more states left in this 'race to the bottom'.

              • 8 votes
              #8.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:06 PM EST

              chilled,

              I think you and I are about the only ones around. You watching the Super Bowl tomorrow for the game or the commercials?

              • 1 vote
              #8.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:12 PM EST

              Probably 50/50 on reasons to watch the game tomorrow, but I'll leave it if it's not over when 'House of Lies' comes on.

              You have a great Sunday and may your team win. I like the Giants.

              • 1 vote
              #8.7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST

              Go G-Men!!!

              • 1 vote
              #8.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:47 PM EST
              haydayDeleted
              Reply

              Romney and Thune could not recognize the truth or tell the truth.

              The Repubs are hate mongers and liars, ignorant of the actual facts!

              The Repubs will say anything if they think the crowd is dumb enough to beleive them!

              • 18 votes
              Reply#9 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST

              All you haters are wasting your time sliming Romney. Here is the bottom line: If the economy is improving substantially by November then President Obama will win a second term. If the economy falters and slides then former Governor Romney will win. It's that simple. If Gingrich is the Republican nominee then Obama wins no matter what the economy is doing short of catastrophic collapse.

              • 8 votes
              #9.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:53 PM EST

              Right now Gingrich is Obama's best hope. Romney, Santorum and Paul are in a virtual tie one on one with Obama by several pollsters.

              • 1 vote
              #9.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:47 PM EST

              No, it's due to Obama, it's due to the Republican Congress. And a lot more good things would happen if the Democratic Senate would do their jobs, and even just look at what has been sent up from Congress, rather than just sit on them.

              Our credit rating drop happened on Obama's watch too... When it was discussed about having the debt ceiling raised, he himself said, when in the Senate that that pointed to poor leadership. How prophetic.

              • 1 vote
              #9.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:51 AM EST

              concernedusa5031

              Romney and Thune could not recognize the truth or tell the truth.

              The Repubs are hate mongers and liars, ignorant of the actual facts!

              The Repubs will say anything if they think the crowd is dumb enough to beleive them!

              That is true to some with one exception! While Romney, Newt and Santorum are as you say. Ron Paul does not fall into any of those categories! A 2 minute research on your part should support this! For 30+ years, he is true to his core.

              Obama also falls into your description of the GOP as well. It is fair to lump the remaining 4 into one category....

              Obama, Romney, Newt and Santorum are hate mongers and liars, ignorant of the actual facts and will say anything if they think the crowd is dumb enough to beleive them!

                #9.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:14 AM EST
                haydayDeleted
                Reply

                Robert Maxwell, well said. Romney's answers reminds me of the "Who's on First" routine. It is likely that the $2 million saved jobs. What annoys me is a CEO takes the money then has someone who would not have given him a dime come speak at the factory to drum up votes.

                • 23 votes
                Reply#10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:06 PM EST

                Actually, it wasn't a 'hit', it was a 'swing, and a miss'.

                • 7 votes
                Reply#11 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:06 PM EST

                We can all sleep and dream to our hearts content and enjoy our life again, because according to the Donald: Mitt Romney won't allow bad things to happen to America (like letting gays have a life, letting women choose their options, letting the poor and minorities vote in elections, healthcare for all, repealing dadt, etc.)

                I guess that means that Obama lets bad things happen to America, like ending the Iraq war and killing Osama Bin Laden and winding down the war in Afghanistan and giving his all, against determined 24/7 obstructionism by the Repubs. to get the economy better and better and unemployment less and less.

                • 30 votes
                Reply#12 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST

                Very well said, Joseph33...

                • 12 votes
                Reply#13 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:30 PM EST

                So did the guy just steal the 2 million dollars .... so he could endorse mittens this year?

                What the hell happened to our 2 million dollars?.... if it did nothing for this sad man's factory.

                • 17 votes
                Reply#14 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:30 PM EST

                You know, you just can't make sh!t like this up.

                Romney "attacking the 2009 stimulus on a factory floor that accepted a contract that included stimulus funds."

                To rebut President Obama's State of the Union, the Republicans choose Mitch Daniels. In his rebuttal he accuses Obama of "an unprecedented explosion of spending, with borrowed money, has added trillions to an already unaffordable national debt." For those of you who don't remember: (from Wikipedia) "...he was the Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget under George W. Bush. During his tenure as head of the Office of Management and Budget, from 2001 to 2003, the federal budget went from an annual surplus of $236 billion to a deficit of $400 billion, and Daniels's projection of a return to surplus by 2005 proved to be inaccurate. Daniels was responsible for estimating the cost of the invasion of Iraq, Operation Iraqi Freedom. Assistant to the President on Economic Policy Lawrence B. Lindsey estimated the cost at between $100–$200 billion, much higher than Daniels' estimate. Daniels called Lindsey's estimate "very, very high" and stated that the costs would be between $50–$60 billion."

                Eric Cantor and John Boehner lead a revolt against increasing the debt limit, driving the country to the brink of default and reducing America's credit rating. What is ironic is that both voted no less than 5 times to increase the debt limit under George W. Bush with nary a whimper.

                Itell ya, ya can't make this kind of sh!t up!

                • 24 votes
                Reply#15 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:51 PM EST

                Well, you could make it up, but it wouldn't be as flabbergasting, interesting . . . or entertaining.

                Didn't they also say something about the wars being paid for with revenue from Iraqi oil? Oops . . .

                • 24 votes
                #15.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:16 PM EST
                haydayDeleted
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                EEngineer

                Still blaming Bush...Hes been gone 3 years now.

                • 5 votes
                Reply#16 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:12 PM EST

                And President Reagan was still blaming Carter during his reelection campaign in 1984.

                • 16 votes
                #16.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:16 PM EST

                Joe66, let's use a little thought experiment to analyze your statement . . .

                Driver A of car B, kills pedestrian C in a hit and run incident. Before the police figure out it was driver A who was the culprit, driver A sells the car to driver D. The police finally find out it was car B that hit the pedestrian, and was driven by driver A.

                Who should they arrest? Driver A who drove the car when pedestrian C was killed? Or driver D, who is now driving the car?

                Who was at fault? Driver A? Or Driver D?

                • 12 votes
                #16.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST

                Matthew, Houston, TX

                Do you really care I dont?

                • 3 votes
                #16.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:21 PM EST

                Uhh, what?

                Joe66, judicious use of punctuation would make your last comment more comprehensible. Care to try again?

                • 10 votes
                #16.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:26 PM EST

                Matthew, Houston, TX

                Hey if you can't take it dont dish it out teacher.

                • 2 votes
                #16.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:29 PM EST

                Non sequiturs don't help your cause, either.

                . . . and just what is 'it' that I can not take?

                You really are not making a whole lot of sense, Joe66.

                • 12 votes
                #16.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:35 PM EST

                Joe66 -

                OMG! What a kneejerk reaction! There was no blame for Bush in my statement, just a wry appreciation of the irony throughout the entire Republican party.

                And now I can add your response to the list. Karl Rove really needs to come up with a new set of talking points for you. Or at least a better guideline for when to apply them!

                • 9 votes
                #16.7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:39 PM EST

                We see that you don't care, Joe66. That's why you're complaining about the people who are pointing out what actually went wrong with the economy and holding said person/s responsible for it. Cough, Bush. If you sincerely cared and weren't just interested in spouting rhetoric, you'd get the reasoning and logic behind the finger point, but because you do not, we already realize you really do not care.

                • 11 votes
                #16.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:47 PM EST

                The whining GOP baby's were as Dennis points out blaming Carter YEARS after he was gone. Why is it always with the Republicans good for the goose but not for the gander - oh yeah - because of the allegiance to hypocrisy. The GOP couldn't survive as a political party without it.

                • 9 votes
                #16.9 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 7:10 AM EST
                haydayDeleted

                If Romney wins the election, the middle class is done for. If Obama and the Democrats win in 2012 and maybe a more progressive liberal wins in 2016, the middle class might have a chance at recovering. Check the facts. The middle class has been SHRINKING because of the right's trickle-down economics. NO MORE TAX CUTS. NO MORE STUPID FOREIGN ADVENTURES. YES TO EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE REFORM. I don't want the GOP to win, or we will be screwed. Please, please America. Don't let the GOP ruin America. Vote for Obama and the Democrats; they are literally the middle class' last hope. Please do this. If not for me and your neighbors, do it for your children. If the rich continue to own more of the pie, the middle class will cease to exist. Let the middle class get a break. Let them grow and prosper again, like they did BEFORE trickle-down economics. The Democrats have their problems, as all parties do, but they are the ONLY ones who are willing to do away with trickle-down economics. Don't let the right do away with America. Do it for the next generation, so they will have a fair chance of living the America Dream, instead of having to barely scrape by and worry about paying the next month's bills while the wealthy soak up all of America's fortune.

                OBAMA BIDEN 2012

                DOWN WITH THE FASCIST RIGHT 2012

                • 5 votes
                #16.12 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:47 PM EST

                Hey "Dennis from Ohio"....GO Blue!

                • 2 votes
                #16.13 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 4:32 PM EST
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                That guy admitted publicly that he got 2 mill in stimulus money but didn't create any jobs? I'm pretty certain that the government wouldn't have given him the money unless he lied on the form and said it WOULD create/save jobs, and he had to say how many. So, now that he's publicly said it didn't help, why aren't they being investigated? They should have to pay back that 2 mill to the government since they didn't use it in the way it was meant for. WHERE IS THE INVESTIGATION?!

                To Joe66-When the shoe fits...

                • 17 votes
                Reply#17 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:13 PM EST

                The federal government didn't exactly hand the stimulus money over to private enterprises and say "Go hire workers you have no use for." They distributed it through federal agencies and state governments. A lot of it went to keep state and municipal employees on the job when the bottom dropped out of tax receipts. Some was used to fund projects like repairs and improvements to schools, 'energy saving' renovations to homes, and construction projects.

                • 2 votes
                #17.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:46 PM EST

                1/3 went to payroll tax reduction, 1/3 went to extended employment benefits (including Wayne's wife in #1.14), and 1/3 went to projects....including this factory.

                • 4 votes
                #17.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:41 PM EST
                haydayDeleted
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                "I'm delighted things are getting better, I think they are..." - Mittens' Nevada Tour

                Think of the last time you said you were "delighted" about something. Mittens can afford to be delighted. I'd be delighted too if my tax rate was as low as his. I'd be delighted if the Republicans go down in flames this November.

                • 22 votes
                Reply#18 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST

                As usual, more diluted brains on the left. "Yes, let's celebrate the unemployment number of 8.3 because it's coming down..." I can hear it now if the number gets down to 8 - "see, he did it".

                It's a fake number people and you are without a brain cell.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#19 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:26 PM EST

                Actually, Roy far on the right: The "diluted brains" seem to be coming from the far right! You blame the President for the high unemployment, but when it gets better (lower) that's not his doing, right???

                Seems like a no-brainer to me!

                • 13 votes
                #19.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:24 PM EST
                haydayDeleted

                The president taking credit for Gila Bend Solar Energy plant in Arizona whose planning and land acquisition occurred years before he became president and the testing of the preliminary pilot plant also occurred years before his presidency is also part of his global plan to win voters in Arizona?

                Why did the president cut research into hydrogen fuel 90% when Japan, China, England and Norway are investing billions into an unlimited renewable fuel that is 100% non polluting?

                Norway is even building Hydrogen cars and has hydrogen filling stations?

                Why has the president not sent leading academics to study successful schools like Urban Prep Charter Academy that sends 100% of graduating seniors to accredited 4 year universities?

                The kicker is that Urban Prep is located in downtown Illinois a stone's throw where Obama worked and all the graduating seniors are black men from the same ghetto that Obama represented?

                All this amply demonstrates that Obama is not interested in his fellow men and his own race.

                If a charter school has the answers to the Public School's miserable performance why isn't Obama immediately studying the successful formula and applying it to all Public Schools in the U.S.?

                If hydrogen will save the U.S. $500 billion dollars in importing oil and cut pollution by 90% why isn't Obama spending billions on this fuel or at least sponsoring awards for people and companies to do research?

                Why is Obama hiding his illegal relatives and rewarding his anti American Pastor with a specially tailored white house job?

                • 1 vote
                #19.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:15 PM EST

                We could probably put everyone back to work, but not at a level where they could pay their bills. I know plenty of people who had jobs that paid 40-50k per year who have accepted jobs that only pay 20K to at least attempt to put food on the table. They will still probably lose their homes, their cars, their credit ratings. And they are going to work 40 hours per week. That is not improvement! That merely gets workers off the statistics, but catapults them into other statistics like mortgage foreclosures, repossessions, bankruptcy. And while we are all bemoaning the loss of real estate value, for those who lost their homes, will there ever be sufficient for them to recoup? Will they ever earn enough to qualify. The landlords out there have become vultures, firmly understanding that everyone has to have a place to live and few, if any, will qualify for new mortgages, so rentals are going up and up (at least in my area)...nobody can repair their credit, pay down debt, and perhaps be able to own a home again in the future if they are paying as much, or more, to rent where they live.

                  #19.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST

                  Hey stone, aren't you one of those deficit hawks or a fan of "cutting government??" Why are you suddenly telling the president to spend money on green energy???? Tell that the GOP, who won't even let regular bills pass without tacking a partisan issue that will support their 1% overlords!!! It is Congress that makes the budget, and with the ultra-conservatives in the House and Senate who abhor any government spending on things like green energy and are willing to kick Granny to the curb just to please Traitor Norquist and their 1% backers there ain't gonna be any major spending for green energy.

                  By the way, I am not a supporter of class warfare. But after seeing the wealthy soak up so much wealth while the middle class is shrinking and the GOP allowing that to continue, it seems to me that the GOP are servants of some people, and it definitely ain't the middle class.

                  OBAMA BIDEN 2012

                  CLASS WARFARE MY ASS

                  SUPPLY-SIDE ECONOMICS MY ASS

                  • 2 votes
                  #19.5 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 6:26 PM EST
                  Reply

                  When is the media going to call Romney on his lies?

                  • 11 votes
                  Reply#20 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:28 PM EST

                  After he becomes the Republican Nominee. McCain still thinks the press is his friends even though as soon as the Republican convention ended - they turned on him.

                  • 4 votes
                  #20.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST

                  It's much more fun calling Romney on his shifting positions, "lies" are just mundane politics!

                  • 6 votes
                  #20.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:55 PM EST
                  haydayDeleted

                  Right about the same time that they call Obama, and the rest of the Capital Hill crowd for theirs. The refs just refuse to watch the actual game, but are still blowing whistles and calling fouls.

                    #20.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST
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                    Hahah! Classic CEO BS. We couldn't create new jobs with the 2 million stimulus. The money must have gone to keeping government employees employed. This sounds like a bad Monty Python sketch. Someone on here said it best in saying that you can't write stories this good. I just wish Americans would see through the nonsense.

                    • 6 votes
                    Reply#21 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST

                    For you:

                    Elizabeth Warren (Chairwoman of The Oversight Panel),

                    Explains why the Bailout Failed:

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krP8e4O81Qk

                    I Love this Lady, She's Sharp as nails on the chalkboard.

                    for anyone who wonders What Happened???

                      #21.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 5:54 PM EST
                      Reply

                      If the stimulus didn't do the job it was suppose to do for Spring Fabrication (create or save jobs), what did the company do with the money? It seems the owner(s) of Spring Fabrication owes american taxpayers $2million dollars. Mitt , please ask them when we can expect their check. That $2million can be reallocated to other companies that can and will use it to create or save jobs. Thanks , Mitt for highlighting this company so we can see what the president is doing.

                      • 9 votes
                      Reply#22 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:31 PM EST

                      I'd guess that whatever it is that Spring Fabrication makes, they sold a bunch of them to somebody fulfilling a contract to a state or federal agency. But once the order was filled, the workforce either went on to make more for contracts not related to the stimulus or got laid off.

                      • 1 vote
                      #22.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:50 PM EST
                      haydayDeleted
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                      The hardest thing former-Gov. Romney ever did, was when he was a Mormon Missionary in France, and tried to persuade the French to give up their cigarettes, coffee and wine.

                      It seems that this experience taught him how to stretch the truth, to try to make the sale.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#23 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:35 PM EST

                      John Fenner-2256270 And what did you do with your life, abilities and education? Romney worked his way through college and worked as a security guard at Chrysler. His education transcripts are open to the public.

                      Why is your hero's transcripts closed to the public and Obummer has never worked a day in his life?

                      Why did Obummer work at a small civil rights law firm for four years as a researcher?

                      Did they know his limitations?

                      • 1 vote
                      #23.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:19 PM EST

                      Romney is a good Mormon, lies and falsly accusing his rivals do not matter, God is not watching. Romney is a good family man,a man of character who has his son's and grand children stand next to him while he blatantly besmirches other candidates charachter's. We are getting tired of this man's nasty and mean nature.

                      • 1 vote
                      #23.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 11:55 PM EST
                      Reply

                      Republican fans and members is this best you got run against President Obama. This bunch of clowns is laughable and President Obama will be re-elected November 2012....The thing you clowns have blame him for everything crazy from bad economy to no job creations. Guess what he did all this without the help of the Republican Party.. One other thing, ask yourself why sensible Republicans, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and others not running for President. Oh by the way, The House will go back to Democratic in November.

                      • 9 votes
                      Reply#24 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:39 PM EST

                      Why does the republican party keep running the same old tire families for office. Either Bush's, Romney,Newt or Paul don't they have anyone but the same old crowd who got us in this mess. Bush's are losers and yes Jeb is among them as Robin Williams said if the smartest is a guy named Jeb then we have a problem Houston. Willard is a loser like his dad and like Willard said he don't care for poor people in other words unless you are rich Willard is not your man. The republicans are lying to the american people and funding their tax cuts with the social security surplus every year sine 1983. Ronald Reagan started taking the social security surplus to off set is spending in 1983 and up to 1988 he stole 5o billion from the surplus. Now the republicans are saying we can't fund social security what we can't fund is the tax cuts.

                      • 16 votes
                      Reply#25 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:40 PM EST

                      Jim-440599: You hit the nail right on the head good post.

                      • 6 votes
                      #25.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:12 PM EST

                      Sometimes it feels like they're in their final throws.

                      Nobody was there to pick up the reigns from W.

                      Republicans are struggling for a message right now because they have no message and in the absence of an heir apparent, there leaves only a message.

                      • 6 votes
                      #25.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:21 AM EST
                      haydayDeleted

                      stone, your repetition is not only annoying, but makes one assume you either have Alzheimer's or you are severely retarded. Either way I've blocked you, so the page will be half as long.

                      • 3 votes
                      #25.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:14 PM EST

                      Good idea, Eric. Not only was stonehead repeating himself, he was repeating the post hayday repeated, everywhere it was deleted. stonehead is most likely a dual registration of hayday, they both sound the same, and are telling the same lies, while providing mutual support. This person thinks they are clever, when they only make themselves look like a fool.

                      • 2 votes
                      #25.6 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:48 PM EST

                      You know, my dear departed grandmother used to have a saying that "he who laughs the hardest and loudest is usually crying before the day is done." You know, she was usually right. So I guess everyone should just enjoy laughing like hyena's

                      • 1 vote
                      #25.7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST
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