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The bruising Republican primary battle has allowed President Obama and his campaign to craft and refine their re-election message, tailoring it to win over a bloc with which the president faces his most glaring vulnerability: independents.
The national conversation in recent months has been directed more toward conservatives than independents, thanks to nationally televised debates and four bruising primary battles. Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney has suffered one piece of fallout as a result, seeing his negative rating with independents spike by an unusually large 20 points in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
“We’re just sitting back and watching the show,” an Obama campaign official said of the GOP race. “Audiences have gone up in the past month. We’ve seen our supporters get engaged. Attacks on the president have driven people into our camp … They’ve been busy courting their Tea Party base.”
The official added that Romney’s negatives among independents have shot up, because, “There has been a debate over his background as a corporate buyout specialist, the discussion of his tax returns, that he’s comfortable paying a lower rate than most Americans, that he made a decision to park his investments off shore. That combined raised them.”
As a result, Obama has begun to do five different things: 1. Go populist, stressing economic fairness; 2. Return to a Midwestern plain-spokenness and relatability; 3. Run against Congress while showing he is a fighter; 4. Subtly respond to the Republican presidential field without naming names; and 5. More frequently tout what he sees as his biggest accomplishments.
Economic fairness – and unity (to a point)
The president started tweaking his re-election message in Osawatomie, Kan., with a speech focused on economic fairness amid the waning strength of the Occupy Wall Street movement.
“Their philosophy is simple,” the president said of Republicans, “we are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules. Well, I’m here to say they are wrong. I believe that this country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share, and when everyone plays by the same rules.”
Obama sought to strike chords intended to remind voters of the rhetorical unity that launched him into the national spotlight during his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.
“Those aren’t Democratic or Republican values, 1 percent values or 99 percent values,” he said. “They’re American values, and we have to reclaim them.”
Those themes were echoed in last week’s State of the Union.
“We can either settle for a country where a shrinking number of people do really well, while a growing number of Americans barely get by," Obama said, "or we can restore an economy where everyone gets a fair shot, and everyone does their fair share, and everyone plays by the same set of rules. What’s at stake aren’t Democratic values or Republican values, but American values. And we have to reclaim them.”
Midwestern common sense: Simple, relatable
A hallmark of Obama’s since his emergence onto the national stage is his ability to reflect a certain common-sense sensibility.
The former Illinois senator focuses on the way voters feel Washington should work, where a president supports one thing, Congress supports another, and the two come together to reach an optimal point of compromise.
It’s the kind of almost Midwestern values and tone that many political observers cite as a reason why this child of Hawaii -- who grew up in Indonesia with a foreign middle name, “Hussein” -- was able to win so convincingly in 2008, with particular strength in the Midwest.
Obama reached for that again in his housing speech yesterday.
“This is the most important purchase a family makes,” the president said of homeownership. “But how many of you have had to deal with overly complicated mortgage forms and hidden clauses and complex terms? I remember when Michelle and I bought our first condo – and we're both lawyers.”
That got some laughs.
“And we’re looking through the forms and kind of holding it up--.”
More laughs.
“Reading it again -- ‘What does this phrase mean?’ And that’s for two trained lawyers,” he deadpanned again before getting serious.
“The forms, the confusion, the potential for abuse is too great just because the forms were too complicated. So this is what a mortgage form should look like,” Obama said, holding up a one-page mortgage application. “This is it.”
People understand the difference between a pile of paperwork with tough-to-read fine print and a single sheet of paper with clear rules. Accompanying story after story after story today about the speech was the picture of the president holding up that single page.
This kind of simple and relatable Midwestern sentiment embodies the art of political messaging, and it’s proven to be a lot easier for Obama to employ while campaigning than governing.
A line in the sand: Running against Congress
Almost everywhere the president travels, he decries congressional instransigence. That's good politics when Congress is at historic lows in approval.
“Thanks to some of the same folks who are now running Congress,” Obama said in Osawatomie, “we had weak regulation; we had little oversight, and what did it get us? Insurance companies that jacked up people's premiums with impunity and denied care to patients who were sick, mortgage lenders that tricked families into buying homes they couldn't afford, a financial sector where irresponsibility and lack of basic oversight nearly destroyed our entire economy. We simply cannot return to this brand of ‘you're on your own’ economics if we're serious about rebuilding the middle class in this country.”
In the State of the Union, Obama went after Congress again, trying to show he’s open to compromise, while also showing he wouldn’t be bullied by the GOP leadership.
“As long as I’m president, I will work with anyone in this chamber to build on this momentum,” Obama said. “But I intend to fight obstruction with action, and I will oppose any effort to return to the very same policies that brought on this economic crisis in the first place. No, we will not go back to an economy weakened by outsourcing, bad debt, and phony financial profits.”
And he did it again during the housing speech. "We're going to need Congress to act," Obama said, which was greeted by chuckles in the crowd.
"I hear some murmuring in the audience here,” he added with a smile. “We need them to act.”
Gone is the lofty hope for transcendence and compromise. Instead, Obama now reflects the realism of a president who has been burned.
For example, when he called in his State of the Union address for comprehensive immigration reform, he had this caveat: “But if election-year politics keeps Congress from acting on a comprehensive plan, let's at least agree to stop expelling responsible young people who want to staff our labs, start new businesses, and defend this country.”
Offering what seem like “common-sense” items for Congress to work on, Obama can have it both ways. If Congress doesn’t act on the poll-tested items he suggested, he can continue to run against Congress. If it does, he can claim a measure of credit.
Subtly respond to GOP, especially Romney
The president has also taken to subtly responding to the GOP primary battle without directly engaging any of his would-be challengers in November.
He seized, for instance, on the notion that it was unfair for a millionaire to pay lower taxes on earnings from their investments just as Romney was having to defend his wealth and low effective tax rate as part of the GOP nominating battle.
“[Y]ou can call this class warfare all you want. But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes? Most Americans would call that common sense,” Obama said in his State of the Union address.
“We don’t begrudge financial success in this country. We admire it. When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it’s not because they envy the rich. It’s because they understand that when I get a tax break I don’t need and the country can’t afford ... That’s not right. Americans know that’s not right,” the president added in a bit of messaging that could just as easily double as a campaign speech.
On the auto industry, Obama said: “Some even said we should let it die,” a clear allusion to Romney, who authored a 2009 op-ed advocating bankruptcy for General Motors and Chrysler. Obama made that reminder again during a visit this week to the Washington Auto Show. “[I]t's good to remember that the fact that there were some folks who were willing to let this industry die…,” he said.
He defended his record on Iran and Israel, even ad-libbing during the State of the Union when talking about Israel’s security, adding “and I mean iron clad,” referring to the U.S.’s commitment to its ally.
Even his nationalistic tone about America -- he said “America” or “American” 88 times in the address -- seemed to be a response to Republican candidates who have accused him of going on apology tours or not believing in “American exceptionalism.”
During his Osawatomie speech, Obama also employed the some-would-say tactic: “Now, in the midst of this debate, there are some who seem to be suffering from a kind of collective amnesia. After all that's happened, after the worst economic crisis, the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, they want to return to the same practices that got us into this mess.”
During his housing speech, Obama said this: "It is wrong for anybody to suggest that the only option for struggling, responsible homeowners is to sit and wait for the housing market to hit bottom.”
Anybody -- or, once again, his most likely opponent this fall?
Mitt Romney on Oct. 17 told the Las Vegas Review-Journal in Nevada, the state that leads the country in unemployment and rate of foreclosures: “As to what to do for the housing industry specifically, and there are things that you can do to encourage housing, one is, don’t try and stop the foreclosure process. Let it run its course and hit the bottom, allow investors to buy homes, put renters in them, fix the homes up, and let it turn around and come back up."
Tout accomplishments
The president added another vital wrinkle to running for reelection -- listing accomplishments. Presidents up for reelection have to be able to run on their record, at least how they spin their record.
But up until the State of the Union, the president hadn’t given a full listing in one place of what he saw as his best achievements. He ticked them off that night -- killing bin Laden, helping the auto industry become solvent again, private-sector job growth (especially in manufacturing), cutting the deficit by more than $2 trillion, and adding new rules for Wall Street.
Obama has his challenges. He is facing a difficult national environment. Unemployment is still high, and those who have stopped looking for work just about doubles that number. A huge number of people say the country is off on the wrong track. There’s a big budget deficit, gaping long-term debt (much of it owed to China) -- which many say is the top issue facing the country in the long run.
But the president’s team hopes to be able to talk about trajectory, that things are “getting better,” and, of course, to make the election a “choice” and not a referendum.
With the GOP field locked in a battle for the nomination, the messaging has not been geared to the middle.
Some Republicans argue that a long primary battle helped Obama and could help Romney as well. There was some evidence of that, as Romney sharpened his debate performance in the run up to the Florida primary -- something that likely wouldn’t have happened if he had won South Carolina and appeared on his way to the nomination.
The difference, the Obama campaign official said, “President Obama and Sen. Clinton did not spend 2007 and 2008 getting dragged out to ideological pasture. They had a debate about how to draw down troops in Iraq and health care. They [the GOP] have been courting the Tea Party base with a scorched-earth campaign.”
The president -- not facing a primary challenge -- is quietly trying to take advantage. That’s the power of the incumbency.
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So am I, while munching on the *popcorn*!
The GNOP bloodbath is better then any reality show on TEEVEE!
Speaking of the tea potty - where did they go?
The RWNJ's have been taunting us for a year about how they were going to be a force to be reckoned with in 2012! lol
*crickets*
Feisty
It is hilarious to watch the GNOP/Tea Potty cannibalize each other. They act like beasts gobble, gobble.
Bev,
Don't forget Governor Krispy Cream demanding seconds! ;o)
Nags,
Enjoy your bon bons. Only 11 1/2 months of Obamunism left.
Wait a minute....the First Lady said recently Mr. Obama should get re-elected because "HE CAN SING". LOL
Dumb Frau,
If you like the last three years, Obama's your guy.
I really don't think Obama will be able to run on what he has done. I don't think he will be able to change the subject. Americans love to watch mud wrestling, but they vote their wallets.
I think a main message will be the rich against poor gambit. That will firm Obama's base but do little to get independents. The votes in play want to see a better future. Still waiting for Obama's pitch to them.
One look at the economy, and yea ... that's obvious.
Maybe he should take a second and look at the CBO report and then try to actually do his job .... at least try to fix one thing.
Is that the same 'Economy' which Chairman Bernanke testified has been in such a painfully slow recovery for the last 3 years. Not since the FDR Great Depression has an economy remained this weak this long following a recession. Well that's what massive deficit spending, excessive printing of money, and no leadership out of the WH will do for you.
Once we're down to the one candidate for the republicans the debates will begin. It's really too bad the dems didn't get a viable candidate.
Obama will be gone in 2013. Americans will rejoice.
1/20/2013 - the end of an error
I see the 'Troll Bridge' has been opened...
How I ♥ watching the jack boot wearing RWNJ's display their hate in all it's glory!
Gonna be a whole lot of heads exploding on 11.6.2012!
Obama/Biden
Losing makes right wingers act very nasty, I'm sorry to say.
Grinspoon: Do I like the last three years? When it comes to President Obama, the answer is an emphatic yes! GM is back on top, our economy has done nothing but improve since he took over, more people are covered for health insurance, we are out of Iraq, and Osama Bin Ladin is dead. That is just a sampling of what he has done. Do I like the republican controlled Congress and it's only mission to destroy this country and its middle class? Not at all!!
Who told Megan McCain about our popcorn parties Feisty?
Mc Cain writes "I think a lot of Democrats are just sitting back and laughing with popcorn at the cannibalizing that's going on right now"
huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/meghan-mccain-newt-gingrich-mitt-romney_n_1247290.html
MItchell, Sorry, facts are hard to dispel. Maybe you should try reading real news....Yes, Osama is now fish food, we are out of Iraq, the economy is still bad, but compared to the situation it was when President Obama took over, it is better, and GM is now back on top.
Americans are going to vote with their wallets heh and mine is empty 8( and has been for the last 3 years
Al, you sound like one of those "poor" people that Romney says he doesn't care about. Good luck with that!
Laura,
FYI, when asked if we are better off now then we were 4 years ago, Obama said: "no."
Wish I had time to debate But I dont. Yep its all of 33 days into 2012 time to cast judgments on the successes and failures of what people said they were going to do in 2012.
How about if we ask what has Obama done to deserve a Nobel Peace prize? Oh thats right you like to give the award, then you will believe the person receiving it will actually earn it.
I'll be home in a few hours where I'll have time to to do the research and back up my positions with sources.
1. Class warfare rheteric.
2. Act like he one of da common folk.
3. Blame congress fo his inability to lead.
4. Take the popular view and tell people what they want to hear instead of the Truth
5. ObamaCare, 800 Billion dollars stimulous, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, Light Sqared, Libya, Arab Spring, Egypt, Iran?
Joe, Can you back that up with a link? I have never read or heard him say "no" in that context, and I follow him very carefully. You can't just make up your own "facts".
You would think that the GOP could at least hire people who can write and spell to post on here.
Are you kidding Laura?
You know what a bunch of cheap bastards they are! ;o)
No amount of false leftist bravado or fantasizing can save the most destructive person ever to occupy the White House from defeat. In fact, this election will be a 'lose-lose' for them; either way it goes, they're toast! I'm hoping that after Yomama is evicted, he will be deported to Kenya.
Genial: You must have had such a loving, bigoted upbringing!
Busy courting their Tea Party base?????? The Republican party has all but abandoned them completely! What a terrible assessment by the Obama campaign official. Hell, the Republican front runners are debating themselves with Liberal talking points for Christ's sake!!! The Republican party has failed completely. O'bama will win by default. How disgusting
I hope Mr. Obama loses, and loses convincingly, but my suspicion is that he will be in for another four years. The above article is just one of many already written, and an example of the thousands yet to be written, about how wonderful he is if you just open your eyes. We are a nation that deserves four more years of fecklessness--we did, after all, ignore what he said four years ago in favor of what it sounded like, and most voters are likely to go that route again.
Take for instance the economic achievements his supporters claim. 2011 GDP was 1.7%. Not negative, but very low. This year should be a repeat. Next year the CBO says will be worse. Again, not negative, but very slow rates of growth. So you might call this good, we aren't negative, but there is a serious problem and one our liberal friends will ignore. This pathetic growth rate is AFTER spending more than $3 trillion MORE dollars than had Bush's policies remained in effect.
Our liberal friends cannot allow the debt to be tackled, not now, not ever, because we would go so far into negative territory on the GDP that we might make the 30s look like a boom time. We've built a phoney economy by borrowing from the future, and this can go on only so long. When that bubble pops no one knows, but it will pop. You had better hope you can defend yourself, raise your own food, and otherwise provide for yourself when it does.
So we will continue with more regulations and more taxes and more borrowing so that we can pretend we are living the dream. Bush might've been bad at spending too much money, but if he was as leftists claim, then Obama must be a magnitude worse. Yet his spending is different to them. Obama cares, I guess, and so his spending has a different, and better, effect on the economy. It's all fantasy, of course, but in politics perception is reality.
Hey Joe-Wasn't the recession the biggest one since the Great Depression??? No wonder the recover has been so damn slow!!! You'd think a person would know that after three years...
Grinspoon-The past three years haven't been easy, but they've been heaven compared to the eight years of Republican hell that this country has gone through.
JH-Yes, America will rejoice after the mistake of electing Tea Bagging right-wingers into office is ended and Obama is re-elected.
Mitchell-Laura's smokin' the truth. It's pretty clean and strong, like oxygen. You and your party ought to try some.
David-Oh, so its class warfare when a Democrat wants the rich to pay more in taxes; but when a Republican (Mitt Romney) wants to give hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax cuts to millionaires while raising taxes on people who make under $40k, it's common sense??? Seems like you're confused. Better lay off that right-wing kool-aid.
He's blaming Congress for their inability to get anything done, what with all the Republicans filibustering Democratic bills and voting against paid-for jobs bill that would employ 2 million people. Remember the Job's Act??? Guess not, cause your mind is blocked with conservative BS.
He's telling the people the truth-the GOP have TERRIBLE ideas (trickle-down economics; low taxes for the rich; remove Medicare and Medicaid; rip up safety nets; cuts to social services; deregulation, etc). Try cutting your way out of an $8 trillion deficit and rebuilding the middle class by taxing the dickins out of 'em while letting the rich soak up more in tax breaks. Try helping the poor by cutting food stamps and unemployment insurance and other safety nets. Try fixing our budgets by cutting taxes, gutting entitlements and social services, all while the bloated military budget gets bigger and bigger every year.
His accomplishments:
Dare I say more???
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Hey Feisty, got any popcorn to share????
Always for you my friend! How do you like it?
Laura,
I don't know if you've seen this (I posted it earlier today), but explains plenty;
At long last, a study has confirmed what I have suspected for years. Conservatism is hereditary!
Bold added for emphasis
Now is we could just find a cure for stuck on stupid!
Darn good comment, Freshieee!
Probably best that you stopped when you did...They can't handle the truth.
Oh please, more more more!
David - add this one - mangling christianty.
Obama declared that Jesus would support higher taxes on the wealth http://www.640whlo.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104707&article=9702720
Here's his reasoning
Here's where that comes from.
Luke 12:42 - 48
The passage has nothing to do with taxing people - it has to do with God giving resources to people to multiply them, expecting a return. That has to do with whatever he gives you, wealth, service, talants, time all to the advancement of the kingdom of heaven - not as toward the government of men.
The verse is about how God will handle those who do AND don't do with what he has given them.
Boy, following Obama requires an extreme leap of faith.
Man, have you got a massive disappointment coming if you believe 10% of what you posted above. Keep spinning such c r a p and perhaps YOU will begin to believe it. R.I.P. Commie-libs.
I'd give you more, Kornfred. But I am out of stuff. But Obama's got more on the way; like his efforts to fix the housing crisis. Why don't you look at Obama's accomplishments at the white house website, as you're obviously interested in the accomplishments of our president.
It's good, Feisty. Fresh, just how I like it.
Maybe I should have kept on going, kay. Maybe I could have blown their heads off...
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Joe-738652
Nags,
Enjoy your bon bons. Only 11 1/2 months of Obamunism left.
We sure will. Yes, we will
Obama Keeps His Job Even If You Lose Yours
~snip~
But a high unemployment rate, by itself, isn’t necessarily a problem for an incumbent president, according to Ray Fair, a Yale University economist who has analyzed the impact of the economy on presidential elections back to 1916.
“What the data show is that it’s the change in the economy, primarily in the year of the election, that matters — not the level,” he said.
So far, the trend is moving in the right direction. But it could easily be derailed by this fall.
Fair’s current forecasts show a very close race. But his models show that Obama still stands a good chance of re-election even with a relatively modest drop in the unemployment rate by November.
“When they go to the booth, voters would see this as a positive sign: Obama’s got the economy growing again,” said Fair. "Even though the unemployment rate is higher than full employment, the trend is good and things are improving.”
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/02/10291640-obama-may-keep-his-job-even-if-you-lose-yours
YES, ♥ ♥ ♥ it. Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh
Obama/ Biden2012
BTW: who you calling a nag; whiny, whiny, whiner?
Rich post 1.25 is so spot on. Our country is so far off course and far too many people still think Obama is a plausible solution.
What a shame.
The shellacking will continue. Good-bye libs.
Freshieee
There was an article right here on msn about having investors buy these mortgages out. Hey, we could all become tenants of the 1%! What a great outcome to that little social engineering project eh? hahaha
What is the deal with Panetta saying Israel is going to start bombing Iran in April, May, or June?
I can't figure why he would tell Ignasius that?
Leon is the only competent individual in the whole administration aside from Petraus and maybe Clinton.
I mean what the hell, why say that?
Goodbye, JH. Hope you good luck on you and your party's trip to La-La-land. Hope you never come back!!!
What is really a shame, Rob, is how so many people are still buying into the GOP's class warfare BS, even though many tax plans proposed by the GOP candidates include tax breaks for the wealthy and tax increases for the middle and lower class. What is also a shame is people actually believe that Mitt "for the middle" Romney wants to bolster the safety nets for the poor, yet supports Paul Ryan's plan of cutting billions from programs like food stamps and virtually eliminating Medicare with a Ponzi scheme of giving elderly people a check and telling them that they're on their own. And lastly, there is the shame of having a candidate (good old Willard) who claims to be for the middle class, yet wants to give hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax breaks to the wealthy while giving a paltry few hundred dollars to the middle class and actually INCREASING taxes for Americans who make under $40,000. So much for the GOP supporting the middle class in America...'
THE GOP SUCK!!!
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
DEMOCRAT CONGRESS 2012
SEND THE GOP ON A TRAIN TO LA LA LAND.
I for one will not vote for Obama. The last three years have made that clear.
For those of you out there that voted for him to prove you are not a racist, please vote against him to prove you have not dumbed down to his lies.
Kornfred
Actually, I would support investors buying out mortgages and renting them to people. In fact, I'd wish banks would start doing that right now and partnering with the federal and state/local governments to buy foreclosed houses and renting them out to tenants while splitting the profits. That would be a great idea!!!
I thought Wall-street = bad? Hell, I thought war was bad to you libs too. Nothing surprises me anymore
It's not investors that ticks me off: its the leaders of those big banks (executives, CEOs) who took advantage of the deregulation to rip off millions of homeowners and total our economy.
FYI: Not all investors are bad. In fact, I will bet that you are investor, probably because you might have a 401k. In effect, everyone with a 401k or a retirement program based on the stock or bond market is in effect an investor. We liberals aren't idiots; but maybe I'll just let you think that we are so you can comfort yourself before the November election.
Didnt say you were idiots. I'm not into personal attacks. I just want to know the thinking behind certain positions.
You are one boring POS.
After reading this article, it had to have been written by obama's mama. Nobody else could really believe that ignorance and lack of accomplishments are such positive attributes.
Beverly (1.33)
Just a couple of things that could impact our economy; first a rise in oil prices, second the continuing economic problems in Europe and third Iran or North Korea do something stupid. Any one or a combination will tank what little recovery that is currently going on here. Remember it is a world economy.
Romney is no different than Obama. They are both liars, flip floppers and couldn't care less about anyone except themselves.
At this point I am almost hoping Obama is re-elected so he can kill what is left in America so that we can start over and bring the real America back from the ashes. Of course Obama will be the one who ignites riots in the streets by people who want the something for nothing that he could never provide, even though they voted for him pretending that the unattainable would rain down on them thru no effort of their own.
Government housing for all, food stamps for all, free medical care for all, no need to work, gubmnt will pay for it borrowing the country into bankruptcy until the house of cards collapses.
And you who buy what you can't afford have done it to yourselves. You want a bailout but don't want to be responsible for yourselves, just like GM, AIG, Christler, and more. You want to be irresponsible and others to pay for your irresponsibility.
Way to destroy the greatest nation that ever existed.
This Independent would never vote for someone who signed a bill into law that can lock you up indefinitely without due process. Bush or his clone Obama are bad news. Obama signed that bill like a piece of garbage would, now he can get taken out to the trash come election day. I agree with the President of the ACLU, why would he make his legacy hinge on taking away our due process. What a jackwagon. Pretty sad state of affairs we have, the Republicans are no better, but Romney/Gingrich/Paul/Santorum would put their best foot forward so they can get re-elected. Obama won't have a pink slip keeping him in check if he wins a second term. Then he'll cut loose and do as he pleases to us. Think about it, when a Republican gets into office what will happen if you disagree with them. They could lock you up in Guantanamo without due process for speaking your mind, thanks to Obama.
It's Fisty and her coven of (W)itches, circling the cauldron full of popcorn...
Bubble, bubble, boil and trouble... Heh heh heh... let's see, who can we mock and denigrate today...
What a group of sad, irrelevant pieces of humanity... sad and pathetic.
Bob-3374873 You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO right on!!!!! Just did my taxes. OMG!!!!! This govt is a f$*6%cking joke. I am suppose to be 1% because I paid over $6,000 in taxes. This is about what the other 1%ers pay or more right!!. I only made 51,650 for last year as a govt employee. Had to pay well over 12,000 for surgery. Am getting some back 2,700 but I feel light I m getting screwed by Obama and the corrupt politicans. I made more last year at 58,000 without surgery and got back 4,900. Nothing changed so how the HELL does this work.
Politics, Corruption, Lies=Obama
If he REALLY wanted to help out the middle class-He would fix the dam tax system. What a joke
Sorry to burst your bubble, Tony, but I ain't a witch. Nor is Feisty or American Girl.
But hypothetically, if there were a group of commentators trying to plot on who to mock today, I'd say that there is a 99% chance that your one of 'em.
I'm not one for the mocking game, but when push comes to shove that is what's gonna get played.
Were to start. Lets set this up a with a look at the makeup of Ideology in the U.S.
http://thepartyofknow.com/2012/01/13/gallupconservatives-remain-the-largest-ideological-group-in-u-s/
The whole point of this article is that Obama needs to appeal to Independents and for good reason. With the country being 40% conservative and only 21% liberal all the conservatives need is 1/3 or less of Independents to side with them while the Liberals need almost all of the Independents, almost 4/5 ths of them, to choose their side if they have any hope in 2012.
The question is do you think Independents that come in here to see what people are saying are going to be convinced they should support the Democrats/ Liberals/Progressives who claim to be Enlightened, Tolerant, Open-Minded, Talk about not bullying, respecting everyone, etc. should be supported?
The independents will look at the comments and they will decide who is just using ridicule, baseless rhetoric, unsubstantiated talking points, name calling, etc. and they will decide for themselves who to believe. Who is actually trying to make a reasonable well supported argument, and who just knows the latest talking points and Propaganda Buzz Words.
#1. #1.1 "It is hilarious to watch the GNOP/Tea Potty cannibalize each other. They act like beasts gobble, gobble."
#2. #1.2 "Don't forget Governor Krispy Cream demanding seconds!"
#3. #1.9 "How I ♥ watching the jack boot wearing RWNJ's display their hate in all it's glory!"
#4. #1.10 "Losing makes right wingers act very nasty, I'm sorry to say."
#5. #1.20 "You would think that the GOP could at least hire people who can write and spell to post on here."
#6. #1.21 "You know what a bunch of cheap bastards they are! ;o)"
#7 #1.27 Fiesty posting a study in comment #1.27 about how Conservatives are less intelligent than Liberals.
"Now is we could just find a cure for stuck on stupid!" <- misspelled “if” (I'm not trying to be mean or insulting just pointing out that if your going to make comments about other peoples spelling maybe you should check your own)
I just want to wish all our left leaning fellow citizens good luck in convincing 99% of Independents that they should “support” the Left.
Since the really story here is “propaganda”, after all that’s all this story is about, How Obama’s going to try to sell himself again to the Masses, I’m going to leave you with this.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mind-control-theories-and-techniques-used-by-mass-media/
Damn - libbies taking a beating here at MSNBC.
Good golly Feisty and Bev. the simple fact is the worm has turned.
THe people just can't take the Obama show any longer.
You all put up a nice fight, but time to concede and deal with reality.
ABO.
True American-818361
This Independent would never vote for someone who signed a bill into law that can lock you up indefinitely without due process. Bush or his clone Obama are bad news. Obama signed that bill like a piece of garbage would, now he can get taken out to the trash come election day.
Clone???
Before you go "Running Away" with your nonsense see what Bush has to say about that.
Bush thanks you for blaming the Black guy----> http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp332/TheCommProf/01-george-w-bush-thanks-for-blaming-it-on-the-black-guy-e1284821996594.jpg
Speak with common sense not nonsense.
Here's the bottom line. Democrats suffered the worst defeat in 70 years and they have not changed their position one bit. Instead they have tried the propaganda route, but now that they have a record that won't fly.
The latest Gallup shows the population is 40% conservative, 21% liberal, 35% moderate. Those are the exact numbers Van Jones has quoted in the past, so there has been no movement in the population.
What this means is Obama needs the vast majority of moderates. After Obamacare that's just not going to happen.
Beverly in Chicago You must not have any common sense if you live in Chicago. I lost all mine when I lived in New Orleans. Both towns are corrupt as hell and could not wait to get out of New Orleans. You probably don't have enough sense to leave.
Good Luck!!!!!
A Photoshopped picture Beverly? If your going to claim a former POTUS said anything like that maybe you should provide a link to a reputable news site,article, document, etc, that actually supports your claim.
If the President cannot keep his promises then all what he is saying is just meaningless platitudes and or bs. The President promised the American people, without conditions, that the 2012 federal deficit will not exceed 229.27 billion dollars. To do that the federal government will have to spend more than one trillion dollars less in 2012 then it did in 2011. I want the President to explain in detail in simple language that everyone can understand how he is going to keep his promise. I want the President to explain how much it is actually going to cost the tax payers and how much time it will take to pay back all of this money that the federal government has been borrowing. In his state of the union address the President mentioned starting to pay down the debt. To do so the federal government first needs to balance the budget. Right now our federal government under President Obama does not even have a budget let alone a balanced one. I want the President to explain in simple terms that everyone can understand, how and when the federal government will balance the budget.
Spanky-
Damn - libbies taking a beating here at MSNBC.
Good golly Feisty and Bev. the simple fact is the worm has turned.
THe people just can't take the Obama show any longer.
You all put up a nice fight, but time to concede and deal with reality.
ABO.
Spanky-
You needn't be so personal about your worm. Since you are running away let be bid you a fair adios
Roy Ayers "Running Away"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJK19ra2rsQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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Obama is still gonna be re-elected, now even more so, since that fool with the FOX tail on his head, Donald Trump, got in the Clown Car and endorsed Willard. LOL, from one silver spoon to another. Neither of them care about the poor. Willard said he didn't care about the poor. I can prove it. Newt is running out of money and he is not on the ballot in Virgina. Conservatives hate Newtie. Santorum is too frothy and Ron Paul is too crazy
Keep trying Spanky you certainly have spunk
But I think you are being punk'd.
Nobody but Obama
Obama/Biden 2012
Laura,
It's true. From an interview with Geogre Stephonopolis. Just Google it.
And stop following him so closely that all you can see and hear is his colon.
Fresh,
Yes, you are correct, the Obama Great Recession was the worst since the FDR Great Depression.
And yet you still drink the Kool-Aid.
As Spock would say: "fascinating."
Bev,
Nice of you to recognize yourself. But it's late. Shouldn't you get back to the barn.
Hmm, 11%, you're paying a lower percentage than Mitt! But how much of that $6,000 is Social Security? Remember, Obama go a temporary reduction in Social Security taxes as part of his stimulus plan, and back in December the Republicans were reluctant to extend that tax break. BTW, the Bush tax cuts are still in effect, so you didn't pay any more than you would have under Bush Jr., and with the reduced SS tax it would be less.
Sorry to hear about your problem, but how is that Obama's fault? No health insurance? As the Teapublicans would say, "that's your fault". Health insurance wouldn't cover it? Again, not Obama's fault, and when the Health Care Reform is fully implemented, there will be fewer thing not covered.
Um, simple math, you didn't earn as much. $58K is $6,350 more than $51,650. As for how much you get back, that depends on witholding rates, but it doesn't actually change how much tax you end up paying.
State or Federal? If you're a Federal employee, you should be really nervous over the prospect of a Romney Presidency, considering his long history of firing people for his own profit.
Obama similar to unstoppable it will happen..
Gramma; bring the FAN it's gitt'en hot up-in-ere name call'en and all!!!!
@SINGLEUP we're gonna need a bigger fan!
The ladies prove to be the gender with the superior intellect. Feisty and Bev destroy a dozen delusional duds. C'mon ladies, be fair: your points are too complex, the words are too big, compared to their pre-K drivel. Here's how you communicate with lesser life forms:
Howdy righty carnies! Windvane wooden willard and Grand wizzard gingrich, are ready to fill up yer bellies with fresh soft serve. Reckon y'all teapubes are tuckered out after a night of makin up facts at the cross burnin hee-haw. Make a last outhouse deposit, pick yer one lonesome tooth and cuddle up to yer cousin. You swamp fellers need some shuteye. Tomorrow that uppity fellow will still be in the white house, with a 4 year lease extension, and your robot leader will still be in a gay marriage with a yankee with a dead skunk for hair.
Little children on a playground demonstrate more intelligent commentary than what is displayed on most of the partisan post here. Obama's base will vote for him regardless, they can't help themselves, they refuse to look at what he has done and focus on the fantasy that lives in their heads.
The republicans have tossed out a group that can't win against him, so, sadly, we are stuck with Obama for another four years. This should give him enough time to finish the job he started, the one where he runs the country over a cliff in order to create his ideologically driven 'progressive' utopia. Hope every little Obama voter, the one's who believe the fantasy (GM is a success) will enjoy their new, enlarged government and hope that China still pays the bills.
Okay, no offense to Feisty and everyone else but I am beginning to see a lot of discord between the liberal commentators and the conservative ones. Feisty, American Girl, I like your comments, but I would advise toning down the anti-conservative talk in order to prevent starting full-blown arguments. And to all those conservative commentators: I would advise keeping down the anti-liberal talk. If you want "libbies" like me to play fair, then that means you gotta play fair too.
Just keeping things calm here...
And mygirl, could you stop with the anti-Obama crap??? Haven't you realized that Obama actually HELPED the economy recover, and we are on track to reduce unemployment??? Or is it unbearable for ultraconservatives like you to bear the thought that Obama actually DID something good??? The main reason why nothing has been done about the debt is because SOME people are unwilling to compromise (namely: conservatives). Obama was the one who offered a plan to cut the deficit by $4 trillion over 10-12 years; it had a lot of spending cuts AND entitlement savings. But the GOP said no, all because it contained tax increases. So now we have an exploding debt and the GOP/Tea Party uncompromising idiots who hijacked Congress and forced us to nearly DEFAULT on our debt.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
DEMOCRATS 2012
HOPE AND CHANGE 2012
GOP/TEA PARTY EXTINCT 2012
So far Obama has not impressed me! And even less so with the republicans Republicans!
You know that when even Kornfed has decided that Obama is going to win again that the fat lady has truly sung.
The more, "THE PARTY OF NO" in Congress, blocks President Obama's proposals to help the American people, all the more Independents are going to WALK AWAY from invitations to join the G.O.P.'s Tea Party.
Obama/Biden, 2012
Freshieeee....
And publicly promoting invading an allies country without notice to assasinate a dispicable character is a value the US wants to promote?
Obama is a failure. Please vote him out in November.
•The top 1 percent of taxpayers in this country pay 40.42 percent of all Income taxes, not including their business taxes.
•For the top 5 percent, the percentage is even higher. The 7.1 million taxpayers who fit this description pay 60.63 percent of all Federal income taxes.
•The bigger the net, the greater the discrepancy. The top 25 percent of taxpayers (35.3 million of us) can take pride in knowing that we contribute 86.59 percent of federal taxes. And the top 50 percent (70.5 million of us) pay 97.11 of the total taxes collected.
In comparison, the bottom 50 percent of filers—some 70.5 million of Americans with any kind of income—pay a minuscule 2.89 percent
As a independent voter myself he has no chance!!!!!!
I too am an Independant. No vote for Obama from me.
I'm one of those independents this article talks about. I'm an ex-Democrat. I'm probably more socially liberal than about 95% of the country, I'm pro-choice, pro-same-sex marriage for instance... I could go on. I voted for Obama, Kerry, Gore, and Clinton the last few elections since I've been legal to vote.
But I am fiscally conservative. The reality is my political philosophy is libertarian more than anything else, though I'm not extreme in that regard. I left the Democrats because of their fiscal policies. Up here in MA they are extremely progressive, and the more I became educated in economics the more I realized they were operating on old, defunct, and discredited theories... simply because it makes them 'feel' good, despite the historically negative and terrible statistical effects those policies bring down upon the middle class and poor.
The more I watch Obama, the more I realize he is out of touch with what is needed to fix the economic, get people back to work, and truly help the middle class and poor. Real people are suffering, and going through the misery and agony of a stunted economic recovery because of the Democrats stubborn refusal to admit their fiscal ideology is bankrupt.
So I will not vote for Obama again. He's been a disaster on civil liberties. He's been a fiscal train wreck. I can not in good conscious vote for someone who continues to make things worse, either through ignorance, or malfeasance in the pursuit of power, because too many people believe the lie that Keynesian debt spending, more burdensome regulations, and entitlements is somehow 'stimulus' rather than an economic depressant that stop those who would otherwise be looking to create jobs from doing so.
Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of individual liberty in the pursuit of consolidating authoritarian collectivist power. That doesn't mean I would support a candidate like Gingrich or Santorum who are just as bad if not worse. But if I have no good candidate to vote for I will tell both parties to stick it where the sun doesn't shine and give Gary Johnson in the Libertarian party my vote. Ron Paul is clearly not going to win the GOP nomination but maybe he can help build the winners platform. Romney at least looks like he's tolerable.
But this independent is out, I will probably not vote for another Democrat in a very long time. And I after the torturous last couple years, I know I'm not alone.
Your vote for Johnson actually is a vote for Obama.
My vote isn't for Obama. If the nominee if Romney, I will almost certainly vote for Romney this time around.
But I refuse to vote for a candidate that will trample on civil and economic liberty. If Obama, Gingrich, and Santorum are all equally horrible, there is no good choosing one over the other. All of them support fiscal interference and trampling upon economic liberties, and and all of them support curtailing civil liberties. None of them are acceptable candidates, all of them would sell the nation down to destruction.
I just hope the GOP chooses wisely, though right now it appears that they will.
I think it's funny that the article says China owns much of out debt when in truth they own about 8% in total. Most of the debt is actually held in America. See below (I added two spaces so the link would come through).
http:// www .businessinsider.com/who-owns-us-debt-2011-7#china-15
Fresshie: I'll make a deal with you. When you quit worshipping the ground he walks on, I'll quit bashing.
That's one of the main reasons I consider him to be a fine president. Obama is a man with both feet on the ground.
It makes sense to tailor his message to independent voters, people who are willing to take a close look at the issues and use their heads to weigh all sides of an argument.
Let's re-elect him in November!
You Yomama supporters seem to be even more out of touch with reality than he is. He lost the U.S. House and several Senate seats in 2010 and he goes after this November. I want to thank you and your comrades for all of the nutty hysteria and good laughs you've given me trying JUSTIFY what this human 'wrecking ball' has done to our country.
Genial, you sound like a student of history so maybe you would be kind enough to list all of the off year elections (non-Presidential) where the political party of the incumbent President did not lose seats in Congress. It shouldn't take long because it is a very, very, very short list.
You may be right Bruce but even Obama admitted that it was a shellacking. It was actually a historic beating.
The worst in 70 years, all the way down to the state level.
laura-417908
Just read black teenage unemployment is 43%. Now, if black teenagers have the work ethic and schooling that latinos, whites and asians do, why the the big unemployment?
Looks like Obama isn't doing much for a block of loyal voters and their children.
p111,
...all the way down to the local level
Mind boggling that Repug lemmings just outright ignores or refuse to see facts. Still blaming Obama for the economy when time after time facts are out there that DUH-bya got us into this downward spiral and lying to the American people by hiding out the borrowed cost of the wars he got us into.
Obama could have done a lot more to get us out of this sinkhole if the PARTY OF NO did not filibuster every proposition for jobs and fix our infrastructure. But right wing lemmings are brain washed with the lies and false accusations of their Rethug overlords. So arguing with them is like talking to a brick wall.
Hey righties and anti-Obama trolls, we all know that it will take time to get out of this abyss that the likes of Rove and Cheney and their Corp cohorts put us in. BUT if you think your selfish and hypocrite candidates(Mitt or Newt) will do better much less serve you?!! YOU are seriously in for a rude awakening!! Those clowns will serve their 1% donors, and y'all be wishing you voted for Obama!
With CBO report of 9.2% around election day, the chances of obummer being reelected are slim to 0.
If I had a dollar for every time President Obama has been blamed for problems caused by greedy GOP-TEA capitalists, I could be a Republican Presidential candidate...
jist sayin'
You have to admit that the idea that Obama is "tailoring" his message to independents is hilarious. You'd think that with all the praise being heaped on him the message should be clear: Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago? Of course you are! Is the economy better now than it was 4 years ago? Of course it is! What proof do you have of that? Why, unemployment has gone up from 7.2% to 9% and we all no going up is better than going down! Of course the best part is that the unemployment numbers would be even higher if only the job market hadn't shrunk so much. But, hey, no one's perfect.
Or, to use an analogy here. During the Clinton administration the big refrain was: "Sure, we know Clinton is a liar, but we like what he has to say!"
juno 06 - Bush and the democrat congress owned the economy moving into 2009. Obama and company owns the recovery economy. After all he did promote "hope and change"...
unfortunately i voted for obummer when he was last elected, IT SURE AS HELL WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN! than again the only reason i voted for him is because the other candidates were even worse from what i could see, now I'm wishing i had voted for someone else because at least if i knew they were failures i couldn't be disappointed. obummer has been slowly trying to take our rights out from under us and undermine the Constitution one sleazy law at a time. if you vote in the coming election at least make sure the person who you vote for will protect your rights without religious bias and without trying to please those who whine the most as they are the minority for their causes and don't speak for everyone.
@Juno... Is there a point in time where the economy becomes Obama's responsibility even though there has been scant improvement? I can see you now... In 2015 when the economy is still crawling along at a rate of 1% (if we are lucky) increase every year you will still be blaming Bush, republicans and white people. That is not surprising since Obama could kill and eat a baby right in front of you and you would still claim somehow it is Bush's fault.
You are supporting a _resident that signed into law the right of the government to arrest and indefinitely detain, without charges, legal counsel or habeus corpus, U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. And all it takes is the ACCUSATION of some link to "terrorists". In fact Obama threatened to veto the NDAA unless that provision was re-written to include U.S. citizens. Obama then had the unbelievable gall to claim he did not agree with it. But you notice he signed it anyway. Just more proof of his lack of integrity and his complete dishonesty. Judge Obama by what he DOES not what he SAYS.
"Obama could have done a lot more to get us out of this sinkhole if the PARTY OF NO did not filibuster every proposition for jobs and fix our infrastructure." I will remind you again that until Scott Brown was elected Obama had a filibuster-proof majority in both houses of congress. Why didn't they repeal the "Bush" tax cuts then if they are such a detriment to the country? Of course those tax cuts are now the "Obama" tax cuts since it is his signature on the legislation. Since last February the House of Representatives has passed and sent to the Senate no fewer than 15 "jobs" bills but Harry Reid will not allow any of them to even be discussed in committee. So tell us again who the obstructionists are?
"Those clowns will serve their 1% donors..." Not that I disagree with that statement but where do you think Obama is getting his campaign money from? Oh that's right since he is your messiah it is ok for the 1% to support his campaign. Just like it's ok for Obama to violate the constitution and the War Powers Act by bombing Libya or making "recess" appointments when the Senate was not in an official recess. Regardless of how you try to spin it the president (actually the _resident in Obama's case since to be a "natural born" citizen requires that both parents be U.S. citizens at the time of birth) does not have the authority to determine when the Senate is or is not in an "official" recess. The fact that Obama and the rest of you progressives found pro-forma Senate sessions to be a legitimate way to block a president from making recess appointments while Bush was in office... but now claim the exact opposite... says all anyone needs to know about you. You are all a bunch of lying hypocrites who can not be trusted. That is an inarguable fact.
Obama has removed any doubt about his racism. If a republican candidate for president stated that they were launching a "whites for _____, for president" initiative (complete with a dedicated website) your screams of RACISM! would be deafening. It would be the lead story for every MSM outlet for the rest of the campaign. But when Obama announces an "African-Americans for Obama" initiative (complete with a website www.africanamericansforobama.org) all you hear is crickets chirping. Let's see you spin that.
juno,
Note to the politically close-minded. Obama has said "this is my economy."
To the loony left - If you can't see how Obama is systematically tearing this nation down there IS no hope for you at all. When the country is in ruins, only then you will be asking yourself, how did this happen. At that time, the light will shine in your eyes and it will dawn on you that Obama was NOT good for this country. Alas, it will be then, too late.
Debt people. Debt! Obama has raised debt more than any single president ever! In fact, Obama, in 3 years has added more debt to this country than all presidents combined from the first president all the way through to GWB. GWB wasn't good for this country either since he didn't reign in debt, but Obama has added in 3 years, what it took GWB to add in two terms. So don't try to mention GWB since I already covered his bad acts.
If Obama gets a second term, it's Katy bar the door. It will give him license to double down on the debt. He's played all nicey nice because he knew he had a second election facing him... if he gets that second term, it will NOT be like his first term. You will see his true colors come out and he will be unleashed. Think debt people... it's the one thing that will destroy this country.
Most people think China is the largest holder of our debt. Newsflash, China is second only the the Federal Reserve bank. They hold the largest portion of our debt, not China. In fact out of all the holders of the United States debt, the United States holds most of it. There are 3 countries that hold debt for the US. China holds about $5 trillion, Japan holds about $1 trillion and Great Britain holds about $800 billion. The US holds the rest in bonds, retirement plans and the Federal Reserve.
We pay interest on all the debt. The Fed steps in when we need money instantly after the debt ceiling has been raised. How do they manage the debt? They print more money for us. What does that do to the value of the dollar? It makes it worth less on the world markets.
Inflation? Why isn't there astronomical inflation right now? Velocity. Try getting a home loan today... it's hard to do because the banks are very reluctant to lend money to keep the velocity down. When dollars move, they inflate. When the dollar starts moving, prices will go up. It's inevitable.
Obama is doing his level best to keep the dollar tightly bound with little velocity because he knows if inflation sets in, he will definitely not have a second term to unleash his fury. He already has plenty to disqualify him from a second term but he will dump his campaign warchest into negative campaigning against whoever goes against him. He can't run on his record so he will do a smear campaign. If you think Mitt and Newt have been going after it... just wait until the general election. This will seem like childs play. Watch for it... and when you see it, please realize that it's Obama doing everything he can to get his second term... Don't let party loyalty interfere with a good decision for this country. We can't let Obama have a second term. He will destroy this country with debt beyond belief.
Don't you want to bet someone $10,000 about that?
That is because Mr. Obama is a man who accepts responsibility. Kind of puts the lie to those who claim he's always blaming Bush, no?
You can't have it both ways.
I don't see how the Democrats losing so many seats in the mid-terms is Pres Obama's fault in any way. Typical of the skittish, so called Democrats abandoned ship when they discovered that the new President was not perfect. I, for one, did not expect him to be perfect; none of his white predecessors were! Bush had eight years to ruin America's economy so most confused voters for some silly-ass reason thought he could repair this great mess in a mere two years. WTF? How is that fair? Once the health care measure passed; he was a man alone! He went after and to the heart of what he believed to be America's number one issue and lost seats everywhere and on every level because the citizens of this nation would rather drink bleach than help the less privileged. Pres Obama's biggest crime? Was his own naiveté believing that the GOP would be willing to be grown ups and do their job. He really believed that sh!t about equality and fairness in America; silly boy! Even I know that Americans are not to be trusted; they are forever and always so goddamned flaky and childish in their rapidly changing opinions. Pres Obama is actually too good for a nation made up of a nest of vipers and snakes! There is nothing wrong with the President; its the lame-brain ass-holes who believe in fairy tales but not facts that fail to support him; as if he could actually perform all things simultaneously!
Americans are selfish little brats who must have their collective way at all times or they will turn on you because they love to play the blame game! "I am unhappy and its somebody's fault!" They blame the blacks, they blame the Jews, they blame the economy, they blame their own god! Simple-minded idiots who are convinced that the world spins upon their babyfied whims!
Americans are cut-throats that subscribe to the tenet that fairness only exist if THEY win all the time. But one day, this nation of nuts are gonna get their asses thoroughly kicked and I hope I am still around to see it. I have friends who live abroad, not from this country, who want me to explain what Pres Obama has done that so many hate him. I tell them to read these blogs and forums BUT then they have even more questions. America has had it too good for too long; that is my only answer! I take responsibility for my own life and it hasn't always been good and I knew that sometimes it had to do with the politics of the day, still; I am accountable to ME for ME and MINE! I WILL handle my business as I wish all good things for the man at the head of the table. Thank you Mr. Obama for trying your best to make this a better country for everybody!
Based on this article, it sounds like MSNBC still has a tingle up their leg regarding Obama.
MSNBC does NOT influence my remarks; nor does any other news program. I say what I see.
I too have come to the conclusion that we are the victims of our own success. People used to work hard and make sacrifices...now everyone wants to live like they're in Dynasty or Keeping Up With the Kardashians. The average American adult is obese. Everyone whines about their rights, but they don't live up to their responsibilities. American parents of both sexes owe billions in unpaid child support.
This nation used to be the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Now right wing propaganda has turned it into a land where religious kooks want to tell us what to do with our own bodies, and they have frightened people into hiding in their houses with loaded guns. Kids can't play outside in their own yards anymore.
America is not the same country I grew up in...that's a sad fact.
kaybee,
He is constantly blaming Bush. As a matter of fact, he did just that in the same breath in which he claimed this was now his economy. At least you recognize you belong in the same close-minded group with juno.
The Republicans are eating each other and the Democrats are watching, taking notes and enjoying the show. As the Republicans waste more and more money from their campaign coffers the Democrats collect more and more money to use in the November battle which is likely to be a really dirty affair.
Muck rakes for everyone!!!
I remember GOP's saying the same thing when obama was fighting Hillary for the dem's ticket. None of it really made a difference in the general election. It was the media who decided who was going to be president. It was all in the reporting. Since obama is no longer the media darlin, he might want to update his resume.
Clinton was part of the "seven dwarfs" and wasn't even favored into the convention. All this means nothing, whether libs like it or not it will be a referendum on Obama's $ trillion+ deficits and years of 9% unemployment.
No amount of propaganda can change that.
p111, you and your ilk really need to look at facts and not what FAUX news or your Rethug overlords tells you... Majority of the deficit was inherited from DUH-BYA!! DUH-bya squandered the surplus Clinton had by the time Clinton left office. Y'all seem to just cover up or pretend that Bush the "decider" ever existed and that he was the major cause for this mess thanks to all his lobbyists and corp cohorts!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/obamas-and-bushs-effect-on-the-deficit-in-one-graph/2011/07/25/gIQAELOrYI_blog.html
Silly Teatards, can't see the Republicans are EVIL!!!
juno06 - LMAO! Better look up the historical figures on year to year national debt and the CBO's estimates going forward. It wouldn't hurt to realize that deficits are not the same as debt or that the tech boom of the 90's had a lot to do with increased revenues, not clinton or congress. But only if you are truly interested in "facts".
Ever notice that any time someone is not on their knees blowing Obama the progressives claim that those people watch Fox news and listen to blow-hard Limbaugh? This is because progressives are unable to think for themselves. Progressives depend on being fed talking points so they have something to say. They then project that mental weakness onto others. They simply don't want to believe ANYONE is capable of gathering facts and evidence from a variety of sources and then process the information objectively, honestly and logically to come to their own conclusions. I have news for progressives... just because they are mentally incapable of doing that... that does not mean everyone else is.
dmac225, you can't be serious right? You can't even get a TeaParty congressman to answer a simple question before they go right into their talking points. It is a proven fact that Fox News lies and spreads mis-information along with Rush. Even Miss Piggie from the Muppets can see this...how come you can't?
Progressives are the ones who take into account history and facts to try and move this country forward in the right direction. It is conservitives that have no common sense and want to use the same policies that got us in this mess in the first place, because they can't think of new ways to fix complex issues.
jun06,
That's why we read articles on MSNBC - to be sure we get all the "facts".
You should check your facts regarding the reason there wasn't a surplus in Bush's first year in office. Do you remember the recession that occurred in Clinton's last year in office? Probably not, but check your facts. It seems that Bush dealt with his inherited recession better than Obama did, even when 9-11 compounded the problems.
I personally wasn't a big fan of Bush but he too had to work with the hand he was dealt, we had two of our countries worst disasters (9/11 & Katrina) while Bush was president, I tend to try and give him credit for doing the best he could with what he had to work with. I don't recall him running around blaming everyone else.
I agree that it will be a referendum but I think you've missed the boat. This election will be a referendum on the war the Republicans and their corporate masters have been waging against the middle-class for over 30 years. You may have won the battle but don't land on any aircraft carriers just yet!
Maybe the President shows "midwestern common sense" because the three most important people involved in raising him--his mother, grandmother and grandfather---had their roots in the midwest. They imparted those values to him, even though he grew up where the winters weren't as harsh!
Another American value President Obama has is that he loves our country and wants what is best for us all---he is the President of all Americans, not just some of us.
I have been a lifelong Democrat. Today, I have to say that I must consider registering as an Independant. I have been supporting Obama's agenda all along, and cutting him some slack for having to work with a difficult congress. BUT since he signed the NDAA, which as we all know, allows for indefinite detention without trial, I have to wonder WHAT WAS HE THINKING? I know he wanted to pay the military, BUT, one reason we have an Executive Branch is to provide checks and balances. Where are they, with him signing this pernicious detention proviso? I know he had serious reservations, and said he will not use those powers while in office, BUT is this a legacy we want to be available to the next president? In the face of this serious lapse, for a scholar of the Constitution, of which a significant part is the Bill of rights, I can't think of a way for him to woo me back. I am sad and not a little frightened that this could happen. All my political support money hereafter goes to the ACLU to reverse this unconstitutional mess. As to providing for the military: didn't they sacrifice life and limb to protect our rights? It's an insult to the military to erode our civil rights in the name of giving them a paycheck. He should have just sent the damn thing back to Congress and gotten rid of the poison pill. The more I think about it, the sicker I feel.
Steeler, I guess that is why he didn't approve the pipe line, because he loves America so good. He sat in a church for 20 years with a preacher that always said God Dam America. But you say he loves America, how funny you are.
That was sarcasm right?
Madeline-4489650
I have been a lifelong Democrat. Today, I have to say that I must consider registering as an Independant. I have been supporting Obama's agenda all along, and cutting him some slack for having to work with a difficult congress. BUT since he signed the NDAA, which as we all know, allows for indefinite detention without trial, I have to wonder WHAT WAS HE THINKING?
Madeline, Don't be fooled by firebaggers like Glenn Glennwald and his hamster the firedoglake , Jane Hamsher who troll the internet looking for attention by opposing the President. After all, these are the people who told Democrats to stay home in 2010.
Obama Signing Statement: The NDAA Doesn’t Apply To US Citizens
Yes, Obama signed the NDAA. Even if he would have vetoed it, an override would have been likely. His veto would have been nothing more than an empty symbolic gesture that would have caused more problems than it solved.
The NDAA does a lot of things, but the one thing it does not do is authorize the detention of American citizens. As we head into to 2012, can we finally put this bogus piece of misinformation to bed?
http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-ndaa-statement
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Don't pay attention to those trolls sooner or later they will to *cough* admit they are jealous and very bitter because they can't tell this smart President how to do his job. Besides, most of them are ex-republicans and libertarians. Furthermore, what could they possibly be doing to be so paranoid?
Glenn Glennwald is now living in Brazil with his boy toy, an exotic young Brazilian man 20 years his junior because he is mad about DOMA . He's really patriotic; right? Not he si a disgruntled ex-pat.
Steeler fan...
All of America? Yea right. Remember our community organizer-n-chief telling a democratic latino organization a couple of years ago to know who your enemies are (referring to republicans/conservatives)? Yep...1/2 of America...his enemies.
His words...not mine.
ABO 2012!
Steeler Fan If he wanted the best for us and loved this country. He has a funny way of showing it. He thinks he is the President of the World. We don't need someone that does not know how to fix a problem even when Bush started it all. Fix the dam problems and quit blaming someone else. You have been in office for over 3 years now. DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Show the Republicans they are wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush thanks you for blaming the Black guy
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp332/TheCommProf/01-george-w-bush-thanks-for-blaming-it-on-the-black-guy-e1284821996594.jpg
BikeBoy-4484306
Show the Republicans they are wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got that bicker boy?
Even Bush admits he is the one who "F'd up". Now Bush is giving the finger.
Yes, Bush did----> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/059/252/bush_middle_finger.gif
Bev - Bush was a moron which started most of this mess. But Obama has been in for 3 years now and I still see nothing done except things getting worse. Anyone can play the numbers anyway they want. I also see the country going down hill. Obama has to take responsibility for something. At least Bush did something like giving the finger. Who the Hell cares!!!! Obama take RESPONSIBILITY for YOUR action.
beverly, making excuses just doesn't cut it when it comes to the NDAA. A congressional overide is no a sure thing and your interprtation of what a law will mean is very questionable.
beverly in chicago
here it is and it does pertain to american citizens
Requirement for military custody: Section 1022
All persons arrested and detained according to the provisions of section 1021, including those detained on U.S. soil, whether detained indefinitely or not, are required to be held by the United States Armed Forces. The law affords the option to have U.S. citizens detained by the armed forces but this requirement does not extend to them, as with foreign persons. Lawful resident aliens may or may not be required to be detained by the Armed Forces, "on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States."[21][22]
But the wording is kind of ambiguos.
@Bev... First off presidential signing statements carry no legal authority. They are meaningless. Second why do you ignore the fact that Obama threatened to veto the NDAA if the indefinite detention provision was not re-written to include U.S. citizens? Obama then had the unmitigated gall to claim he disagreed with the provision and "promised" he would never use that power. Of course history has shown that Obama rarely keeps his promises. Plus how are you going to feel about the president having this power when the next non-progressive is elected?
If one just sits back and tries to be objective for a moment, the GOP are truly missing the big picture. By trying to cater to party purity, they are losing middle America. I really don't see how they can walk back all the things they have said.
And for all the bravado of President Obama's disapproval numbers, the disapproval numbers are higher for the gentle folk on the right.
As I said, that's how it looks if you try to be objective and take personal bias out of it.
phine ... I always trained my classes to look at things in perspective, as opposed to perception tainted with their own bias. Unfortunately, it's much easier for people to not have to think so hard.
Oh, and phine, I was glad to "not" see you on the prayer breakfast post. The past couple of days seem to have roused particularly nasty rants about religion (Catholics in particular). I'm guessing (hoping) that it's just backlash from the extremist and decidely un-Christianlike positions of the candidates.
Whats wrong with being a Catholic?
Nothing ... some of the posts recently have been very brutal, and knowing that phine is Catholic I was hoping that she didn't subject herself to the abuse.
That's really nice of you.
I enjoy conversing with intelligent people such as phine. I personally don't give a fat rat's tail what religion someone chooses to follow, I just hate to see any religion, or its followers, denigrated.
Good evening TOG and thetotas,
Yes, I am tired of being everyone's punching bag. No one ever asks my view, just looks at the fact that I am Catholic and WHAM punching time!
Oh, and TOG. This morning was priceless. "Dancing Queen, young and sweet........."
I can only imagine ... Mr p must have a great sense of humor.
And for the record - I like to keep my religion in one box and my politics in another - and never let the two mix! I personally do not like abortion, but feel it should be legal. I do not want to go back to the unsafe, "back alley" days. As for contraception, again, it is a persons choice - one that I want to make, not have the government dictate. As the president once said (maybe not about this, but it is a good quote) "Decisions on these matters are above my pay grade!"
(How's that for diplomatic?)
TOG
He did have a good laugh after the shock wore off! We are in negotiations over tomorrow's choices! LOL
LOL.....what a frigging joke. All Mr. Obama's policies HAVE DRIVEN voters AWAY from "his" camp.
This article is ALMOST a book within itself. Expect to see more "Go Obama" articles with none mentioning his FAILED Domestic or International agenda items (16 Domestic and 7 International and counting).
I would post the FAILURES for Feisty and Bev, however they already have a copy of my "list" (with links).
C'mon, you know ugly chicks don't care about policy. They just like a guy who makes them feel good about themselves.
That's why all the hotties are on the right!
Well sure, Joe, if brain-dead bimbos are your 'cup of Tea'.
Newt's wife might be on the market again soon, given his marital history. Goody for you!
Yeah! I see those "brain-dead" smokers on FOX all the time.
Guess I should switch over to MS NBC and catch 'Dr' Mancow. LMAOROFL!!!
How about those bimbo's over at Faux - they have a dress code for them.
Skirts cannot be more then 1" above the knee, otherwise it won't hide their tails! ;o)
Mann Coulter is more your type, then? Better get to her quick before someone drops a house on her.
kaybeetoys
Mann Coulter is more your type, then? Better get to her quick before someone drops a house on her.
kaybeetoys,
Laugh your @ss off. You do know there is a difference between being a bleached blonde bimbo, monkey girl and a PHd woman with her own show who gets to use her brains???
The monkey girls @FOX NOISE can only hold they jobs down with their tails. They must show their tails, read their TelePrompters, listen to Ailes whisper in their ear pull you dress up more, and make sure they use the peroxide Roger Ailes has stocked up in the back for them.
Rachel has substance, education, wit, smarts, and doesn't have to show her tail!!!
kaybeetoys
Sorry that message #6.6 was meant for Joe-738652.
I copied the names wrong and it jumped before I could correct it. Please forgive me.
You misunderstood my comment, Beverly in Chicago. I totally agree with you. It was Joe who insulted Rachel Maddow, not me.
Just saw your apology...no worries! :)
Thank you kaybeetoys I'm the worst typist on FR.
But Beverly...
Something tells me you don't resemble those "monkey girls" as you call them at all...
They are both intelligent and quite easy on the eyes...
I'll bet you are a real "looker"...LMAO
It must really chap your lib's hides that Fox has more viewers than all other cable news combined and have been #1 for ten years straight.
P111, IF FAUX has more viewers, it's because a lot of your ilk can't read much write. So TV is gospel to you guys!
Reposting Feisty's finding of a study that should clear this up. Great find Feisty!
At long last, a study has confirmed what I have suspected for years. Conservatism is hereditary!
Bold added for emphasis
now prove that that data didn't come from biased sources that wanted it leaned in their favor. every time there's a study it seems the info is corrupt when it involves politics, now do a study on that. fox news has that many viewers because of the cartoons and comedy related items they show and the fact that they still use analog TV in some areas and non cable digital in most, it has very little to do with their news program which is shoddy at best. also i wont pick sides on this debate as i don't believe all the parties should exist to begin with, united we stand separated we fall. don't believe everything your told as it can become your own demise over time. if someone is yelling or trying to distract the masses ignore them and look at what they are trying to hide.
Hitler and company made similar arguments about jews blacks and anyone of non aryan race. We all know how that worked out don't we?
The following link puts this hobsons observation in proper context and shows that his arguments have no merit.
http://greenmountainscribes.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/are-conservatives-ignorant/
I'm a moderate, but it doesn't "chap my hide"...it frightens me that Americans have become so lazy, ignorant and gullible that a foreigner-- Rupert Murdoch, who is just in it for the MONEY, who doesn't give jacks--t about this democracy and the media's responsibility to inform the public-- can lead them around by the nose.
It saddens me to see a great country drinking the Tea, all to enrich the already rich. It hurts me to see so many people throwing away their own power and giving it to those who will only screw them to the wall.
Those who care about the future of the U.S. as a democracy should be very alarmed at the influence of unrelenting negative propaganda disguised by Fox TV as news.
P111, does it chap your hide that Fox news (using the term loosely) watchers have been shown to be less informed of world events than people who don't watch the news at all? How about the fact that there is no Fox news Canada because Canada has laws that say you can't call yourself a "News" program if you post reports that you know are untrue?
The least informed people turn to fox to reinforce their own personal prejudice. Fox news has more viewers because they are the only one that calls themselves a news outlet but spews lies and panders to the most base instincts of people. All the other news outlets split the remainder of the people who actually want to be informed on the facts, not just pandered to.
How again exactly can you spin failure into gold?
Oh yah, that's right. Lie and hope for memory loss.
This is for all the anti-American progressive's that can't dispute this post!!!!
At least when you start the name calling use a little originality???
This next election is not about the differences between Republican and Democrat's basic philosophies.
It is the differences between communist and Democratic ideology's!
All of his life obama has been mentored and supported by these people:
George Soros: A Jew determined to to destroy Israel and American
Anthony Van Jones: socialist/communist Hates the U.S.A.
Valarie Jarrett: Communist
Vernon Jarrett: Communist, Valarie Jarrett's father-in-law
Frank Marshall Davis: Communist obama mentor
Cass Sunstein: Socialist/Communist obamma tsar
Rev Wright "God Damn America"
Bill Ayres: Socialist/Communist, Weather Underground
Bernadine Van Dohrn Socialist/Communist, Weather Underground
Tony Rezco: Chicago crook
Andy Stern: SEIU
And then there's;
Dick Trumpka: AFL-CIO
Lil Jimmy Hoffa: That son of a bitch!
Acorn: Criminal enterprise big obama supporters
Black Panthers: Guardians of the Poll
Then there is:
Solyndra
Fast and Furious: BTW, obama Officer Terry's parents deserve answers.
obama your book has an ugly cover.
U.S.A./Capitalism, obamazuela, or Cuba --- You choose in 2012!!!!
Gary, you know this is what happens when you skip your meds.
Generally obama and his anti-American progressive troll's enjoy this post!!!
I post you decide!!!!
Vote soros, van jones and obama out
Gary,
I know you enjoy posting this but do you realize that only 0.001% of voters (1 in 100,000) might read your comment and that only 20% of them have not made up their minds. The other 80% are either Conservative or Liberal.
So you might have an impact on 20 out of 1,000,000 voters but don’t count on it.
Americas biggest overseas corporate trade partner - China- Communist
US Corporations have outsourced more jobs to China-Communist
The Country willing to finance our military budget debts- China-Communist
The place your key board that you type on was manufactured- China-Communist
KayBee is using last century's Psycho/Pharm propaganda line - anyone who disagrees with slaughtering America's constitution and hijacking our freedom needs to be on Psycho/Pharm's killer drugs.
Having no constructive ideas of their own, trolls like this can only resort to personal attacks - cheered on by the Rothschild/Rockefeller/Soros/etc. bankster cult controlled media whose main product is conflict - not news.
Your post brought out some bankster trolls from under the bridge - keep it up!
Dennis, those 20 are very important to me!!!!
Obviously you and ed support this anti-American progressive in the white house!!!
I just figure your numbers aren't there like 2010?? I just don't want to take any chances!!!!
didn't mind voting for our last communist lover GWB did you.
Whatever are you going on about? Gary said: "All of his life obama has been mentored and supported by these people."
Whether you agree with his Gary's political leanings or not, the associations he posits for Obama are patently false. Absurdly so.
Put that in your bong and smoke it.
NW, I just keep fishing for some creative name calling, no luck yet!
They can't dispute the post or dis-associate obama????
Like KB LMAO!!!
Good for you Gary
Hey KB - I take it all back - you are defiitely not a bankster cult troll!
The good one's never repeat the line used against them.
But "put it in your bong and smoke it" - I am totally crushed!!!
You're in the wrong place, Gary. If you want some name-calling, watch the Republican debates.
KB now that your calm, LMAO, how do you dis-associate obama from my list????
No name calling on this site, again LMAO!!!!
The best response to slander is silence.
Bela, lol, not funny, oh sh_t, ROTFFLMFAO!!!!!
LMAO, again the truth cannot be slanderous!!!!
We all know that George Soros supports a lot of the far left organizations like the Tides Center, dailyKos, media matters (?), and of course the OWS crowd through his funding of Adbusters in Canada.
Haven't seen anyone comment on the Jan 25 2012 article in Newsweek when Soros predicts riots, police state and class war fare for America in 2012. He has also said there is no difference between Romney and Obama plus he recently said that Obama has not been effective and has been unable to turn the country around.
kb -
Obama claims these connections in his 'books'. He went to Wright's 'church' for 20 years; in fact, he was married in it. He tried to appoing Van Jones to a cabinet position until it was found out that he was a communist.
Are you saying that Obama is slandering himself?
seiu will take over the ows movement in the spring and soro will be proven correct, there will be dancing in the streets.
Obam plans to invoke martial law, except I do believe he has pissed off to many generals???
Tammy, I have President Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope" in my hand and not single one of the people Gary linked him to are in it.
If you have a copy of "Dreams from My Father", please cite the page numbers which mention those people. Thank you.
To quote from "The Audacity of Hope":
This is the core of Obama's philosophy, that united we stand and divided we fall. History teaches what has befallen every great empire. Can America escape this fate?
Not by electing a leader in a free and fair election, and then immediately doing everything humanly possible to thwart his initiatives simply because he was on the other side. That is not what the founding fathers envisioned for this nation.
Obama will win in November for this reason: he is the best choice to lead this country. Republicans can spin it until their heads fly off, but neither Newt not Mitt can hold a candle to Barack Obama.
Gary K-2697770
Bill Moyers - Rev. Wright's "God Damn America" in Context i.e what he meant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFYeTrQMHA8
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I suggest you listen to the tape you might learn something. Rev Wright was speaking of Biblical history how God damns countries that do not follow the will of God. He was not damning America
So tell me how then is this skewed loop any different than you right wing nut jobs complaining about BIG GOVERNMENT????
Also, you need to be careful when you post lies. No one in the President's Cabinet, past or present, is communist or socialist. There is only one socialist in government, the independent Bernie Sanders, who caucuses with the Democrats.
You need evidence when you post nonsense. Give me a list from the Communist party of anyone in the President's administration who is communist. Can't do it can you?
I think you need to take kaybeetoys' advice she gave Gary. Take your meds.
FYI: Real Americans are really getting tired of FOX NOISE re-warming this has hash daily. Get a new rant!!!!
Do you mean similarly to Romney's comment regarding the poor????
I'm amazed that ayres didn't have obama put in his communist reationship's, that ayre's he so forgetful and oh, unapologetic????
My granddaughter just came in, goodnight girls, remember 2010!!!!!
To: Gary K, Rich 281385 and GENIAL
Hate cannot be disguised. We are what we believe. If we believe that we are some superior race of people on earth, then the rise of the Spanish and Black population will spook us and we will find all sorts of excuses to disguise our hate. If we believe that, as DNA has affirmed, that we are all one race of people who started out as brown and black people, and like paint, as many former Saxons, Celtics, Visigoths mixed in cold countries we lost our melanin, then we would embrace our outward differences instead of lying to disguise our lies and hatred.
President Obama is not an undocumented alien. He is not a Muslim. I have 10 year-old pictures of him and Billy Graham praying together. He did not spend trillions of dollars; our wars cost such. Did we give him a separate war budget? Did we raise bonds like we did in 1790 to pay our war debt? No we took the Medical benefits from millions of seniors and we call him a socialist.
So we want to deport the Hispanics because they are not just picking our oranges anymore? Obama is making them judges—wow! He is creating a revolution—wow! He and his children will not baby-sit for us anymore—wow! Pharaoh felt the same anger when the Israelites left Egypt. Bigotry wrapped in red, white and blue is still bigotry.
I will tell you two little secrets:
1 we were all black or brown people at one time in our distant past. DNA has proved it.
2. we are all children of immigrants—except if your real name is Hiawatha or Sitting Bull.
From our archives: $80 million in U.S. Government bonds that were issued in 1790 to refinance Revolutionary War debt.
Thoughtful and insightful Maebeline. As a middle aged, white southerner, I have a lifetime of experience with racism. Many of my relatives and neighbors celebrated Dr. King's death and cling to their primitive bigotry.As I matured, served my country along with Americans of all backgrounds and expanded my worldview in college, I confronted this ugly human trait. All of us, every color and creed has the potential to hate and minimize.
I wish I could rely on people choosing love, but my experience is different. I now am in a position to decide who I do business with and which of my kin I expose myself to. It has brought incredible joy to my beautiful wife, 4 loving sons, 3 wonderful daughters (in-law) and 9 grandkids. Hate was stopped in my family by drastic measures. I do not tolerate hate in my family, friends or employees. I use my big, foul mouth and call out the cowards. I speak code fluently and will use their own language to expose them. Some stereotypes will try to sneak up daily. Awareness has helped me be a better man.
i only believe what i see with my own eyes the rest is fabricated until proved true by observing or acquiring proof that way i know the difference between fact and fiction. if it cant be used or observed its fake. correction the "natives" are also immigrants they came here using the land bridge from Russia that used to exist so they could hunt for easier food.
maebeline, what a wonderful rant.
However like all anti-American progressive's your rant does not address my issue, (8.0) which is fact and in no way has anything to do with racism.
So like I tell all racist such as yourself, shove your racism up your AZZ!!!!!
Maebeline, that was a wonderful comment.
I think a lot of racism comes from fear and ignorance. White people, who are a minority on this planet, need to face the reality that they will not always be the world's overlords. Population trends in this country clearly point to a day in the not-too-distant future when whites will be the minority here.
Some people are frightened of and resistant to that reality. Others recognize that the way to keep this country strong and vibrant is to include, educate, and empower all the people, of whatever race or religion. They will soon be our leaders...we cannot fail them or we will be signing the death warrant for our democracy.
Gary, there is no truth in your post, it is only the deranged and paranoid rantings of a very poorly informed person. It deserves no rebuttal, it is futile to argue with insanity.
That's what the masses thought about stalin!!!
Are you that lame, that you can't do your own research or
Are you are just just one of obama's anti-American troll's????
Why not try on a ski mask and a handgun?
Dear. Obama,
Piss off!
Best not to feed them after midnight, Feisty.
Dear Nana,
Come back to reality and realize who is actually screwing you and this country. Going to war while cutting taxes and deregulation of the banks, Wall Street, and the financial industries are the problems in this country (all done from 2000 to 2006). Now ask yourself who wants to keep these policies going and who wants these things to change.
Give the President a congress he can work with and you'll see change in the right direction.
Obama/Biden 2012
A little history lesson. The Democratic and Republican parties started out as one party called the Democratic-Republican party. It was started by Thomas Jefferson and was based on states rights, anti-federalism, a government not ruled by money and being founded on the constitution. I think it is offensively laughable the hypocrisy in both parties having strayed so far from their founding.
Stiller Fan - I just threw up a little...Obama and American Values? You've got to be kidding me. You mean the American value of pitting people against each other? Or the value of putting us in such debt we'll never be able to pay it back? Oh, you must have meant the value of being so divisive and completely inept to just blame it on someone or something else. Yep, those sound like American values to me. I'd vote for your dumb azz before I'd vote for Obama...what a joke.
Although I wouldn't have called anyone a dumb azz Juice...I have to agree with you. Not to mention his platform was based on "hope and change" and he's killed any hope in the American public and the only change he has made has been Obamacare, which no-one really wants. They didn't even read it all before passing the dang thing. How inept is that?
I'd actually like to see someone LEAD this country, after all that's what we elect them to do, not cause gridlock.
Juice, are you in denial?! Questioning Obama on family values?! You must have mistaken him for NEWT!
As far as pitting each other or as your fellow trolls would say divide the country - PURE B.S!! You guys don't even see the elephant in the room. Even the blind can see your party of NO have been the "divider" starting with your wacko Rethug overlords who will stop at nothing to make Obama a one term president, so they have been thwarting his every attempt to recover this economy! As far as the deficit, Hello?! Majority of the current deficit was from DUH-BYA! But y'all deny that too!
Gary - hah! caught you lying -again! You said you were going to bed so why are you still here? Glutton for punishment?! But since you are up, I have to say you are obviously a FAUX News guy. So you have to be aware that your Fox owner, Murdoch is married to a Chinese woman, and they apparently have several business ventures there. This country have been in business and trade with China for decades now. WE owe a TON of money to China thanks but no thanks to DUH-bya borrowing money to fund the godforsaken wars. So your false accusations of Obama bringing us communism is again, PURE B.S.!! And yes, you should also be aware that a Muslim is part owner of Fox!
Lastly, I am Catholic, and downright disgusted with the choices the church is making, when they have a lot of cleaning up to do as well! Like the Greedy, Obstructionist, Partisan party - so full of hypocrisy! And that is why I will vote for Obama - AGAIN!!
And unlike you, I am going to bed - definitely! So don't waste your ridiculous rants on me!
Will obama lose the atheist vote now that he has professed his Christianity???
He already lost the Catholic vote!!!
Not even a shout out to ole rev. wright, I thought that was rude!!
Vote soros, van jones and obama OUT!!!
Gary,
Soros and van Jones are not in elected jobs so what makes you think they will ever stop supporting the Liberal agenda?
soros dictates obama's every move and van jones is running the ows idiot's, soon to be taken over by seiu???
And you know this because you've got the Bat phone in your cave and right after the president gets off the phone with George, he calls you to report it. Or maybe they're just running a Glenn Beck marathon today?
Did you see what happen in Oakland?
A 15-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murdering his adoptive parents after reportedly rowing with them over how much time he was spending at an Occupy protest camp.
They had been strangled, and then he tried to set fire to their car.
Gary K-269770
Already lost the Catholic vote? Obviously you believe your opinions are facts…don’t speak in generalities unless you can back your opinion with specifics. Get your facts straight first before distorting them to fit your opinionated views.
K paulie, I'll take that under advisement, LMAO!!!!
Gary, you probably need to say...he probably lost most Christian votes.
really, you are correct!!!!
Obama can sharpen his message all he wants; for this independent person, nothing he says can cancel what he has done and what he did not do when he had plenty of opportunity. Although people will say one has to go with the lesser of two evils; I say the lesser of two evils is still evil, and I'm not at all sure Obama is the lesser evil.
and romeny is
his message is about as solid as liquid mercury, he can try to sharpen it all he wants but it will still fall to the floor in a puddle and cause insanity to those who accept it as fact.
come on guys.you know we're going to have four more years of obama,so you might as well shut the fu@@ up and like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shut up and like it? You have got to be kidding!
This man gets elected again, and I am leaving the country. And taking my money with me. How do you propose paying for all his failed policies when the only people he can tax to spend have left the country?
Start packing, john. I hear Canada has a liberal immigration policy.
kaybeetoys
Just remember your point of view when your welfare check bounce, bounce, bounces!
Hey John, see ya! But don't try Canada. If you think it's socialist here under Obama, wait 'til you get there. OMG, everyone has free health care and the roads are to die for, plus they have magnificent public transportation. And they actually like each other. No, you better try Brazil or somewhere else. Good luck and keep in touch.
tonybeeerm
I am thinking Costa Rica or Panama. The cost of living is too high in Canada.
I know many from Canada, and they think our system is f'd up, and would like to see Ron Paul as President.
John, I suggest you'll just be wasting your time/money because there is no need to go. Although, those places you listed are good vacation areas.
Actually, I'll wait til after the election, but if we don't get people in the government who will deal with our debt, we will crash and burn as a nation and I don't want to be a part of it. The chart of our debt is a parabolic curve headed to infinity and it will only be a short period of time before it will be unrecoverable.
Class warfare at work here? I'm not on welfare, john, but I'm glad it exists as a safety net, especially for millions of America's children who are poor through no fault of their own and would otherwise go hungry.
The "I've got mine--let the losers eat cake" attitude won't win elections. The reality is that the poor outnumber the wealthy by a vast margin. Everyone gets one vote. Let the rich try to spin that.
kaybeetoys
The fact of the matter is that when you take money from the rich and give it to the poor, it only makes the rich poorer because if the poor were intelligent enough to handle their money, they wouldn't be poor.
I just simply won't take part in a group of people taking what I have worked for to give it to people who contribute nothing to society but a drag.
John, more deranged rantings about taking your hard earned money and giving it to the lazy poor people. That's not what the real problem is. The real problem is the effort of those of us who work for a living is being redirected to the top 1/10 of 1% where it is not stimulating the economy like it would if actually stayed in the hands of the middle class. The crux of the problem is too much of the money in the hands of too few people. We don't have the upward mobility in the US that we used to, we are becoming too stratified. The investor class is pulling too much of the value of our labor out of the system and devaluing the working class.
The investor class is doing great and those of us who work for our money are falling further behind all the time. There are 4 people for every job opening, that's not because too much is being produced, it's because there is not enough demand. Supply side economics doesn't work.
Really! Why, because you visited for a few days and it looked like a nice place to live? Get away from the tourist traps and you'll find it's a bit different. Poverty there is like nothing we know here. Folks live in cardboard houses with no electricity or running water. And I bet they would love to get their hands on your money.
Hey Michigan voter, good one. I'm from the Great Lake State myself. Can't wait for the reception ol' Mittens is gonna get. Especially in the southeast part of the state. No, we haven't forgotten that you wanted to let GM and Chrysler go belly up.
tonybeeerm, that's right, I'm not happy about Mitt's stand on that either. The ripple effect of letting them go to bankruptcy would have been devastating. Millions of jobs depend on the big three directly and indirectly. I work for company that casts and machines aluminum parts for the auto industry. I'm very confident that I would have lost my job if the auto bailout hadn't happened.
So what is an independent?
Someone who has not bought into the Republican vs. Democrat, Liberal vs Conservative, American versus American circus orchestrated by the Rothschchild/Rockefeller bankster cult's dinosaur media.
Obama works for the bankster cult so has NO SHOT at independents - nor do any of the clowns on the Repub side with the exception of Ron Paul.
Meanwhile, the media promotes conflict as ordered by their masters:
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."
"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
-- David Rockefeller,
Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden,
Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quale
I am an Independent, and obama has failed me. I will not vote for him again. Hopefully the Republicans won't blow it again when they are put back in the majority of the House, Senate and Presidency in 2012
i am independent also, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, useless lying man, he belongs shoveling cow manure., gas has doubled since he has been in office and his excuse, can't help. well i can't help you. food is up, clothing is up, all because you can't help, what good are you, you helped the middle east and china more than your own country, or at least we all thought you were American, sounds like the lady down in Florida with her Vail around her face and they wouldn't serve her gas unless they seen her face, this is my religion and i don't have too. I am American, well the way i look at it lady, if you are a American you wouldn't be hiding behind no Vail, now would you. keep letting them come over here pretty soon they will be caring hand grenade's like the Vietnamese, scumbags
Hopefully the Republicans won't blow it again? The Repubs had the House, Senate, and Presidency from 2000 to 2006. We all saw what that led to in 2008 right? I mean you 2 were still alive and concious at the time right? How quickly people forget what they did to this country amazes me. Even when the policies they are promoting are still the same but now more extreme.
Exactly how has Obama failed you that's worse than what the Repubs did and are still doing in Congress?
Democrats may be watching the Republicans fight it out but the Republicans are looking back wondering why any Democrat with any kind of a brain would follow Obama to the gates ruin and not find someone else to lead their party.
"The bruising Republican primary battle has allowed President Obama and his campaign to craft and refine their re-election message, tailoring it to win over a bloc with which the president faces his most glaring vulnerability:" He can't distinguish his own ass from a hole in the ground!
Im a Democrat and certainly wont vote for Obama he's just not a good President.
Obama fooled me once. Not again. See ya come November!!! That'll be a great "change" that Obama can finally do right.
The Occupy movement has hinted the problems of our nation. It is not what about whether if this movement is succeeded or the definition of success. The whole point of this movement is to send the messages to our government, our Congress, and our President.
And the movement is actually accomplished its origninal goal. From job and foreclosure to economy and financial aid and tax rate, the movement has set up its focus and the message has won the attention to which the policy has changed or somewhat pending to be changed.
But the voice of the movement has been heard. And the election is coming. This is the time the movement can continue to change.
Democracy is manisfested in a non-violent manner to which that is all that means.
Hope that the other nation can see what we do and how we express. It is no perfect and there are some problems. But it is a non-violent and peaceful protest, the Occupy movement.
Respectfully, for the most part the movement is a disgrace. It's a reality show of anarchy.
The disgrace is that these people's voices weren't being heard because the don't have enough money to buy free speech. So what are they left to do besides protest? To call these patriotic Americans a disgrace is very shameful and sad squire98.
I might be on the poor side but I wouldn't vote for Obama ass.... if it was my last day on earth. This guy is trying to destroy our country. Wakeup you lunatics that think he is the greatest. Please list what he has accomplished in his term. Just about nothing......
For the independant vote lose the rhetoric and show results. You are not dealing with the impotence of the democratic and republican " herd intellects ". All they do is point fingers at each other. They have even rendered basic math politically incorrect.
Mikey, your funny. I voted for obama the first time and bush prior so I guess that makes me an independent. Believe me, if you lost a house or a job or economically your struggling, the last thing your going to do is give this jack wad another 4 years. Romney and the republicans can beat each other silly until fall but it wont matter in the end because people current situation counts and that is about it. Its not looking too good for the loser in the white house .
jollyjoker, I lost the value of my house before Obama took office through Republican deregulation. Now Obama wants to help me by making the banks(who were bailed out with tax payer money) bring down the priciple on my mortgage so I can get back all the money my family has lost to no fault of our own. On the other side...Romney wants me to forclose and lose my home.
I'm on the side of the person that understands what I'm going through and that's Obama. You have to be pretty naive to buy what Mitt and the Republicans are selling.
Of course this Headline News article won't be on this liberal based site, so I thought I'd post it myself:
The head of the Department of Justice’s Criminal Division and Attorney General Eric Holder’s highest-ranking deputy, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, called Operation Fast and Furious and gun walking a “terrific idea” in emails to now-former Acting Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Director Ken Melson back in late 2009, according a report released by Republican staff of the House Oversight Committee.
On Dec. 3, 2009, Melson wrote to Breuer, “Lanny: We have decided to take a little different approach with regard to seizures of multiple weapons in Mexico. Assuming the guns are traced, instead of working each trace almost independently of the other traces from the seizure, I want to coordinate and monitor the work on all of them collectively as if the seizure was one case. . . We should meet again just to catch up on where we are in our gun-trafficking issues and we could talk about the above idea as well. Let me know what you think.”
Breuer responded on Dec. 4, 2009, writing, “We think this is a terrific idea and a great way to approach the investigations of these seizures. Our Gang Unit will be assigning an attorney to help you coordinate this effort.”
According to the Republican Oversight Committee staffers’ report, Breuer — Holder’s number two — assigned a prosecutor to help ATF handle Fast and Furious. That attorney, according to the report, was Joe Cooley.
This information comes as Democrats on the Oversight Committee say there is no evidence that suggests any senior political appointees of the Obama administration or in the Justice Department knew about, or approved, gun walking or Fast and Furious.
Last Wednesday, Deputy Attorney General James Cole denied that Breuer and Melson were talking about Fast and Furious and its tactics. “In light of Assistant Attorney General Breuer’s commitment to stemming the flow of guns from the United States into Mexico and his strong ties and collaborative relationships with his counterparts in Mexico, it is inconceivable that his intention was to have guns released into Mexico,” Cole wrote.
Omsnbc doesn't want this story, Hmmmm!!!!
Great post Bypolar
Too bad it's all lies.
Too bad lt's only comment is to claim it a lie, WITHOUT facts to back it up......
Funny thing about FACTS, they uncover the TRUTH, and it looks as if the DOJ is in for quite a shakeup......
Bypolar2all , too bad you violated the COH by plagarizing, not block quoting and not providing a link. You have also deflected and attempted to derail the article we are commenting upon.
Bypolar2all, I almost forgot. Add comment spamming and blatant re-reg to that list of violations. Cya! ;-)