DORAL, FL -- Newt Gingrich combined attacks on Mitt Romney's wealth and his stance on immigration in a forum less than a week before the Latino-heavy Florida GOP primary.
Gingrich attacked the former Massachusetts governor for being out-of-touch with the experience of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. who have laid down roots in America.
"I think you have to live in worlds of Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts and automatic $20 million a year income with no work to have some fantasy this far from reality," Gingrich said at a forum organized by the Spanish-language network Univision. "I talk very specifically about people who have been here for a long time ...for Romney to believe that somebody's grandmother is going to be so cut off she is going to self deport? This verges -- this is an Obama level fantasy."
Gingrich defended his immigration policy while criticizing his chief rival’s policy for lacking “humanity” and being a “fantasy.”
“He certainly shows no concern for the humanity of the people who are already here,” Gingrich told the crowd about Romney, who floated the idea of self-deportation in a Republican debate on Monday night, a concept somewhat nebulous in its execution.
The former House speaker, who began his interview with Univision anchor Jorge Ramos, believes that citizen panels should decide if illegal immigrants who have been in the United States for 20-25 years and participate in the community should be allowed to remain in the country legally. Gingrich wants to build a new worker permit program, as well.
The speaker continued to stump in one of the most heavily Hispanic parts of Florida today giving a speech on Latin American Policy at Florida International University.
Gingrich made his case for why he's best suited to win over Latinos in the general election. He said he aims to win 50 percent of Latinos nationally and outlined policy positions that might contribute to him making inroads in that community
But Gingrich trails Romney among Latinos voting in next Tuesday’s primary according to a new poll, and performs more poorly than Romney against Obama among Latinos nationally.
A new poll conducted by Latino Decisions for Univision News and ABC News finds that Romney holds a 15 percent lead over Gingrich in the Hispanic vote in Florida, 35 to 20 percent.
Both presidential candidates are courting voters in the Miami area today.
Ramos asked Gingrich to clarify comments he made in 2007 where it seemed he implied that Spanish was the language of the ghetto.
"It wasn't about Spanish, I said it about all languages," Gingrich said inside the Univision studios.
"I am for English as a common unifying language…Most parents, whatever their linguistic background, want their children to be able to function in English because they know they will have a better job and a better future,” he said.
The speaker, whose oldest daughter lives in Miami-Dade county, even got a little chocked up at his speech at FIU while talking about his granddaughter learning to play the violin by a Cuban-American violinist -- Luis Haza -- who escaped from Fidel Castro’s rule after his father was executed.
“If you talk to Luis, you will understand the passion that he is left here to deal with over the years and why my determination to free Cuba and to help the people of Cuba be free is because he is a deep, deep advocate for human freedom and decency,” Gingrich said about Haza.


Ah, Newt, please stay in the race. This, "I think you have to live in worlds of Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts and automatic $20 million a year income with no work to have some fantasy this far from reality," is pure gold! When Romney wins the nomination expect to see (there is video?) this replayed a lot!
I think liberals like me should be sending Newt'r some funds! Operation Chaos 2012!
Newt who has a revolving half million dollar line of credit @ Tiffany's attacking Willard for being wealthy?
LMAO!
I get such a kick out of Republicans feasting on their own & Chris Christie having 'seconds'...
*popcorn*?
I would love to see a Latino elected to the presidency in 2016, if Elizabeth Warren isn't interested in running. (She would be my first choice).
I see Latino's on television a lot and I just think they bring so much to our Nation. They have contributed a great deal and deserve to be holding high offices everywhere.
Feisty - It is especially gratifying to see one of the men most responsible for the vitriolic state of America's current politics (Newt) turn his attention towards destroying the man who will be the eventual nominee of the Republican Party (Mittens).
The only problem is that liberals, if we aren't careful, may overdose on schadenfreude.
nisl,
I wonder if Willard regrets the day he gave the green light to the Koch Brothers to do his dirty work against Newt in IA..?
What a rookie move on Willards part!
Newt is beating on Romney like he's a punching bag...And Romney just stands there taking it. One thing is for sure Newt is smarter than Romney, which isn't saying much.
Ron - I don't think that is fair. I have many problems with both Newt and Mitt, but a lack of intellect is not one of them.
And I highly doubt Newt is smarter than Mitt. Newt is meaner and nastier, but smarter? Newt is a better politician (in some ways), but smarter?
Ron,
I just cannot imagine Mitt Romney being able to be “quick on his feet” at a presser.
nisl and Dennis:
At one point I wanted Gingrich to beat Newt, but as I watch the non-verbal communicatin of Mitt it is apparent that he really is an empty suit. No passion, low intellect, no reason for running for the POTUS. Yes nisl, Gingrich is smarter, more cunning, and dishonnest.
I'm thinking Newt will beat Mitt in Florida and the GOP will be clueless about what to do.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Newt who has a revolving half million dollar line of credit @ Tiffany's attacking Willard for being wealthy?
LMAO!
I get such a kick out of Republicans feasting on their own & Chris Christie having 'seconds'...
*popcorn*?
I'd prefer to know what is behind the Eye of Newt and that helmet head of his. Must be Callista, since Newtie seems to be having a bit of a brain freeze here lately. Every thing that comes out of his mouth lately is a noun & a verb i.e. President Obama and something like destroying America, not working, must be defeated et al.
http://callistagingrichpeckedoutmyeyes.com/
Good Grief GF - next time you really should put a disclaimer up with your link...
I have to go get some more Bounty thanks to you! lmao
Gheeze Bev, that is too funny .......helmet head looks as crazy as Bachman!....
Ron - Yeah, Mitt is not likable at all. Next to Mitt Al Gore and John Kerry seem positively charismatic. But I don't think Mitt's lack of a personality/soul is indicative of low intellect, I think it is an occupational hazard.
Mitt spent his life bringing hardship and agony to thousands of Americans. Firing people is not easy, it chips away at the soul. Romney fired whole factories and sent them overseas. Even before Bain Capital Romney was a "consultant" that, well, fired people. Did you ever see the movie "Office Space?" In that movie Romney was represented by "The Bobs."
nisl, I bet Mittens never looked people in the eye and told them they were being downsized 'fired'.
He no doubt signed the orders and left it up to lower level folks at Bain/or the Company being destroyed, to deliver the message to the affected employees.
nisl: Smart and intelligent are too different things. I know a lot of intelligent people who have no common sense what soever. Intelligent people can make smart moves and they can also make dumb moves. What we are saying is that Willard continues to make dumb decisions and says a lot of dumb things. For example:
Dumb move: releasing tax returns before SOTU.
Dumb saying: $375,000 isn't very much.
Ramboet - Awesome name and nice avatar!
You are, of course, correct. That is why I say Newt is a better politician (in some ways) than Mitt.
But using your syntax Newt makes a lot of DUMB moves as well.
Chilled - I don't know, we've all been focusing on Mitt's time at Bain Capital, but that wasn't where he started out. He started at Bain and Company, a consulting firm that does a lot of outsourcing and downsizing. It is entirely likely that he did, indeed, fire people directly.
Watch Office Space. "The Bobs" = Romney.
Bob Slydell: Would you bear with me for just a second, please?
Peter Gibbons: OK.
Bob Slydell: What if - and believe me this is a hypothetical - but what if you were offered some kind of a stock option equity sharing program. Would that do anything for you?
Peter Gibbons: I don't know, I guess. Listen, I'm gonna go. It's been really nice talking to both of you guys.
Bob Slydell: Absolutely, the pleasure's all on this side of the table, trust me.
Peter Gibbons: Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really well.
Bob Porter: Excellent.
Bob Slydell: Great... Wow.
Peter Gibbons: You're gonna lay off Samir and Michael?
Bob Slydell: Oh yeah, we're gonna bring in some entry-level graduates, farm some work out to Singapore, that's the usual deal.
Bob Porter: Standard operating procedure.
Peter Gibbons: Do they know this yet?
Bob Slydell: No. No, of course not. We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.
chilled
Gheeze Bev, that is too funny .......helmet head looks as crazy as Bachman!...
chilled,
I'd say she is dumber. Peroxide is bad for the brain. I hear the people want her to talk because they want to know what she sounds like.
Newt had better keep her quite or else his campaign is definitely over.
White Collar Auto
Amy, stop commenting on things you don't understand.
Stiff Collar, you're no genius.
Stiff Collar, you're no genius.
Is that troll still around?
Except those who have $100 million or more.
Mitt, you're fired.
Ramboet is right. Smart and intelligent are two different things. Newt is intelligent (he is a Rhodes scholar, along with Bill Clinton and Rachel Maddow), but he is definitely not smart and has no common sense at all.
What's really funny is all the liberals complain about Mitt's $24 million income claim, but totally dismiss Bill Clinton's $75 million salary. But... wait... Bill actually earns it... oh yeah?
Commonsense - Be careful - you're stealing The Donald's line.....he may sue for copyright infringement! Wonder if The Donald is still thinking about running? Imagine if he was running with Newt? A two - fer - 2 philanderers for the price of 1! Ah yes....family values....
I hate to come to Romney's defense (well except when Gingrich is doing the attacking, I suppose), but what I believe Romney meant--in the limited time for response--is that if companies check legal status properly and sincerely, and jobs were no longer available, illegals would leave on their own. This is clearly proved to be the case in other countries like Canada that strictly enforce their laws, and require a chunk of change for citizenship as well.
Go back and listen to Romney's full reply again, and think about it. The real question would then be, is Romney for regulating companies to comply with such a requirement, or will the invisible hand of the free market miraculously take care of it?
Cruella, Codziilla, oh Calista, that's it -- Now that's helmet hair, must take a can of hair spray every day. Newt makes me think of Mike Myer's in So I Married an Axe Murderer -- "Look at the gargantuan cranium on that boy. I'm no kiddin,' it's like an orange on a toothpick. Well that's a huge noggin. That's a virtual planetoid, has it's own weather system."
One way to tell when Newt started rolling in $$$ from lobbying is the work on his teeth. We could track it by looking at photos, before and after.
Why does no one see the connection between illegal immigration and black unemployment? Illegal immigrants compete for the same jobs as legal immigrants and the working poor. You think if 10m+ illegals were not in the economy that unemployment rates of African-Americans would be lower?
What I don't understand is the unfairness of the illegal.
1. Legal immigrant pays full college tuition. Illegal may receive in-state rate.
2. After Obamacare goes into effect how does the IRS enforce the individual mandate? If they are not paying Federal Taxes, which most don't, we are simply giving the free health care at the expense of everyone else.
3. If illegal immigrants are contributing so much to the economy why do areas high in illegal immigrants require assistance with local taxes to cover education. If they were even breaking even then these areas would be booming as the tax free cash comes pouring in.
4. If a father robs a bank is are the children allowed to keep the money? It's a crock. And even if they attempt to deport the criminals, the Mother and Father who brought/birthed the child here, then we are breaking up the family.
I do agree with a Dream act provision for military service.
Either you are twelve or this is the first time you've paid attention to a "big peoples" news. It happens.
You must not remember '08 when Hillary and Barak were delivering blows and ging to court in May/June-ish. It appears all worked out well for the both of them.....Until November that is
Michael
Operation Chaos was the name of a Republican campaign (conducted by Rush Limbaugh) to help Hillary win the Democratic nomination because she was perceived as being easier to beat. Try to keep up.
Amy, stop commenting on things you don't understand.
Operation chaos was run to extend the primary and try to get the Clinton's to vet Obama, since it was clear he would be the preferred nominee by the DNC (Think Super Delegates) . The media was not doing it and the Clinton's were the only one big enough to do it at the time.
Problem is they dropped the ball as well.
Do try to keep up.
White Collar Auto
ideology, why is a bigotted joke stereotyping the Irish as drunkards suppose to be funny? Got any good Polock or Jew jokes?
Well now dear sir, in the past several years I have five trips under my belt to that sweet emerald isle and have enjoyed a number pints with the local lads and ‘twas there that I became acquainted with many a fine Irish joke. It is a truly remarkable land which despite its sad history has managed to maintain a sense of humor about itself that is most lacking in one such as you. I suggest you stick a cork up your butt and keep your sanctimonious opinion where it rightfully belongs.
What is a Polock? Add another ‘l’ and it is either a fish or an abstract expressionist painter. Perhaps you should ask NoJo to correct your spelling and grammar.
So ideo, if you have been to Africa is it OK to tell jokes about african Americans?
Nice try bigot. Sorry I can't spell bigotted terms. I guess I will leave that up to you.
You should put down the shovel, dude. I made that comment like 3 days ago and it has been bothering you that long?
That is just sad.
Ideology, me lad, I think 'tis time for us to head on down to the pub. Humor is missed by some here, but never by the Irish!
WCA,
My husband is Irish and thought it was extremely funny. And I recommend being careful about who you call a bigot. In my view, it is mostly Americans that bigoted views.
Well phine, I happen to be Irish. I have listened to those stereotypes my entire life.
Bigotry and stereotypes are not funny.
Sorry to see that you think that it is.
Well seeing as my Dad was Irish and my Mom was Greek, I do believe I can make jokes about either. But then you had missed the entire point of the joke, and that is just sad.
WCA,
If you cannot find any humor in life, you will always live in a gray, gloomy world.
My father was Irish/American Indian and I don't find jokes about their drinking habits funny. You can't have it both ways. Declaring jokes about one ethnicity racist and others funny doesn't make sense.
@Ideo are you sure you are Canadian? My experience has been they pride themselves on being more polite than us brutish Americans.
WCA:
Stop commenting on things you don't understand. Amy is, of course, correct. Operation Chaos WAS a Rush Limbaugh effort to insert himself in the Democratic selection process. While it is best forgotten, since it shows the superficial mind that Limbaugh has, here it is from his own site: Rush the Vote: Operation Chaos Meeting and Exceeding Objectives, March 19, 2008. Now, do try to catch up with the rest of us and go have a 12 year old read and explain it to you.
And. You owe Amy an apology.
phine, where did I say I couldn't find humor in life?
I come to First Read strictly for the humor.
You guys are real funny when you're talking politics.
I just don't happen to thin ethinic jokes are funny.
Ideo, no, you can't. Funny as a supposed "liberal" I thought you might understand that.
Good grief. No wonder people call us the "ugly Americans". No humor, bigoted, smug and arrogant and tight a$$ed. Yep. That describes most Americans - and I can say it because I am one.
PS The original joke was to me! So, if I liked it, what is it to you?
NDD when was the last time you listened to Rush?
I did not say he was not trying to insert himself into the Dem primary. That is exactly what he did. He was not , however, trying to get Clinton nominated.
You libs. You refuse to listen to Rush or Fox, but think you know everything about them.
See, I'm here st FR, so that I know first hand how bigotted and lost you folks and MSNBC really are.
It's the only way to really know.
Hilary and Barak were attacking each other policies ... were not making personal attacks. Closest thing to personal was when Hilary was asked if Barak was a christian or something similar. Her answer: "As far as I know"
Hey phine, want to hear a great joke I heard about "the lazy blacks"?
ksw62118
The joke I related a few days ago had nothing to do with ethnicity. It had to do with perceptions, how we view the world around us based on our beliefs and how we misinterpret what is in front of us to satisfy what we see as truth. The joke was related to me in an Irish pub full of Irish by an Irishman. The whole place broke into laughter.
WCA,
Hey want to hear a joke about the ugly American?
Ideology,
It is like talking to a brick wall when trying to talk or explain anything to some of these people. As an American, I do apologize and assure you not all are like them!!
Michael1969- You misunderstand. Many liberals prefer Gingrich to Romney. They would sooner see a Pres. Newt than Pres. Mitt.
here's your joke, bigot, maybe you ought to learn the definition of "ethnicity":
time for the great Irish joke ... the great divorce so to speak between ideology and view ... there is none.
One day two lads, Phil O’Phine and Phil O’Phancy, were sharing a pint of Guinness at Dangerfield’s Emporium & Pub that had a fine view of O’Rodney’s house of ill repute across the way. Well a pint or two passed and lo and behold who should come sauntering down the road and enter O’Rodney’s but Father No’Shamus, a fine and upstanding Minister of the local Protestant church.
“Well”, says Phil to Phil, “will you look at that and a married man too. Is there no wickedness a Protestant will not do?”
“Aye”, says Phil to Phil. “Let’s have another pint and we’ll think no more of it.”
Well that pint turned into another and lo and behold who should come sauntering down the road and enter O’Rodneys but Rabbi O’Gingrich, a man of former religious persuasion so to speak.
“Well”, says Phil to Phil, “will you look at that and a thrice married man too. Is there no wickedness a Hebrew will not succumb to?”
“Aye”, says Phil to Phil. “Surely another pint is in order and we’ll speak no more of it.”
Well that pint turned into another and lo and behold who should come sauntering down the road and enter O’Rodney’s ; none other than Phil and Phil’s Catholic priest Father O’Surge.
“Saints preserve us”, says Phil to Phil. “One of the girls must have died.”
What a great joke!!! I loved it the first time (and so did others I told the joke to - all Irish, BTW).
And WCA, you are still the ugly American that represents an embarrassment to the way others in the world view us.
Why thank you WCA ... I think it is even funnier on second read. I must try and recall some of the other tales, jokes and yarns.
From a transcript of the Rush Limbaugh Show, March 2008:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2008/03/17/obama_counters_operation_chaos
Ideology,
Ever hear the joke about how many Americans it took to screw in a light bulb? None. They like being in the dark. (That joke is just made for my friend WCA)
Posted the transcript WCA: and while it is always amusing to see you try to spin your way out of the mess you create for yourself, you accused Amy of being wrong. She is not. You, as is the usual, are.
You owe Amy an apology. And the paternalistic, chauvinistic b.s you post says waaay more about you than it does about Amy.
So let's see if you can man up and proffer the apology you owe.
Amy, were you listening, back then?
I was and do today.
A single line from one 3 hour broadcast is a pathetic attempt to try to win your point. In fact Operation Chaos evolved as the primaries went on. "Evolution, you know that thing you Liberals are so hung up on?)
But since it is all you have, I will let you have it.
You are right, I am wrong.
I am really, really, really, really sorry.
See ideo, it's not that hard to admit when someone has shown you the error of your ways.
Well WCA when someone does I do indeed. It will, however, take someone of greater intelligence and sense of humour than you. Have you not noticed how you and your ilk on these pages do little cry but gloom and doom. It pervades every fiber of your souls and makes me wonder to what or who you have sold them. Go read some @!$%#ing poetry.
Yeah, no it didn't. WCA. It was purely a creation of the puny little mind of LImbaugh. And I posted the WHOLE transcript which you cannot read and comprehend.
An objective observer would call your post a non apology apology.
Which is what I would expect of you.
Thanks ideology.
See, I just let your words speak for themselves.
Profanity is the last resort of the uneducated.
Congratulations. You have proven my point.
I've read the entire thread WCA and you are so wrong it's pathetic. A single line from a 3 hour broadcast? Are you for real? This went on, and I know because we are alowed radios at work and a couple of guys love to blast Rush when he's on, for weeks. NDD is right, you try to wiggle out of messes of your own making.
See NDD, that's the problem with you Libs.
I apologize and it's not enough.
Romney releases his tax returns and it's still not enough.
Always after that pound of flesh, eh?
The real funny thing is that you guys can't even see when you are being tweaked!
But I do love getting under your skin. I even got ideo to curse!
Thanks for playing King.
You really should be minding the hill.
I said it "evolved" which, since you don't seem to understand, meant it went on and on and on.
Don't think listening by proxy counts, but what the heck, you are the one that wanted in on this little banter.
You want in on trying to defend ethinic jokes , too? This is really entertaining.
Ideology,
I think their idea of poetry is "There was an old man in Nantucket............"
phine, ideo has run away.
I think he figured out he can't win and put down the shovel.
He lost when he swore at me.
One always loses when they need to swear to make their point.
You didn't swear, but I suggest you put down the shovel too.
This hole I lured you and ideo into is getting mighty deep.
"Operation Chaos was the name of a Republican campaign (conducted by Rush Limbaugh) to help Hillary win the Democratic nomination because she was perceived as being easier to beat. Try to keep up."
A Good and factual post. The plan was to prolong the Democratic race.Thanks
Hey Job1, get to gym class!
were you listening, back then?
I was and do today.
Better you than me, White Collar! But I get it, Michael slammed nisl, so I slammed Michael, and you slammed me...
@ Phine do not apologize for me. I stand by my comments and I am not a "them". This is problem we have become so polarized you view someone with a different opinion as less than yourself. I don't find ethnic humorous, it is called stereotyping and last I checked that was a bad thing.
Actually WAC, I am up and down from my basement as I am repairing plumbing ... I did not swear at you, I merely suggest a reading level for you.
Wait: WCA loves appearing moronic because it gets to libs. Yep, let me be the first to say it. I detest deliberate stupidity.
And you are the master at it.
newdayDAWNING...RETURNED
WCA thinks Libs are an ethnic group.
Ahhh, name calling , eh NDD?
The last stop for a desperate soul.
Such is your lot in life I suppose.
ideo, dude, you really need to put down the shovel. It's embarassing.
Ideo: I am with you. Poor WCA needs to read something edifying:
So, for him, and all the Republicans who "think" like he does, a little Edna St. Vincent Millay
Second Fig
Safe upon the solid rock the ugly houses stand
Come and see my shining palace built upon the sand.
Must have been written for the "teabaggers".
There you go NDD. WCA, you proved yourself wrong, now you want to act like you planned it. Grow uo man.
Thanks, kingofmyhill. Always nice when someone else steps on this sort of thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos
So I doubt you all will see this, I did not have time to go get it earlier.
I retract my apology.
From The Rush Limbaugh Radio Show January 22, 2012
Yeah 3 days ago!
"That was a long primary. Did he win? He won! Operation Chaos, we kept it going. We were trying to have Obama exposed; we figured Hillary was the only person in the campaign with the gonads to do it. The press weren't vetting Obama. The whole point about Operation Chaos was to have the truth about Obama come out -- and to have a greater chance of that, we wanted to have the campaign go on."
Question: At what point does someone decide to go back after Newton for his radical "Let's Arrest Judges And Abolish Courts Because I Disagree With Them" policy?
Da noid, Gingrich won't win the nomination. I just don't see it happening. However, should it happen, the comment you reference above will only be one small example of Gingrich's insanity. For instance, did you know Gingrich wants the death penalty for people caught with more than 2 oz of pot?
There is a reason one lefty fundraiser told TPM, about the possibility of a Gingrich nomination, "We all think it's funny as sh*t, but I don't see anyone believing it could actually happen."
I hope Newt and Mitt keep this battle going for a long time. For every dollar they spend against each other, means one less dollar spent trashing the President.
Interesting to note here, Romney spends all his time going after the President, and Mr. Gingrich goes after Romney. It seems Gingrich would like the nomination and Romney assumes he already IS the nominee. Wonder how the GOP voters feel about this?
Phine,
I'm not sure, Mitts is going to get his 25% no matter where he goes...
The Grinch is a wildcard who feeds off the crowd, that's why he was complaining about the moderation of the last debate, no crowd reactions to feed of of...
the Grinch isn't on at least 5 state ballots that seriously hurts him into the convention, he doesn't stand a realistic chance....
Good afternoon Egilman,
Funny you bring up those states he is not on the ballot. I was going to bring that up. And how will that play at the convention?
Neither Romney nor Newton will be electable by the time they get to Tampa. The bloody campaign will enable the BILLION dollar Obama machine to devote every penny to hammering home the FREE oppo-research so generously laid at their doorstep, driving up the challenger's negatives to a new record high.
J-E-B...is clean, no bloody campaign, no free opposition research, high positives and low negatives, and he's already in Florida...sittin' in the catbird seat...;-)
To hell with all of ya ... my hot water tank just burst and I'm off to throw some bucks at GE and Home Depot. Sheesh I feel like I just had a bowl of Spanky grits.
Well, up yours too!
....and good luck with the water situation...;-)
Good afternoon dangerfield,
Hope you had a pleasant evening and enjoyed the spectacle of the press last night. Oh, and from what I gather the president even made a little speech last night! LOL
Do you think the "bloodletting" going on in the GOP primary is worse than the Clinton/Obama primary. I would be interested in your thoughts.
Ideology,
Look at it as supporting jobs at GE and Home Depot. Then, get drunk. (Spanky grits???? I love it. Can I borrow the line sometime?)
Only one small problem, that being his last name is; B-U-S-H!
Good luck with THAT! lol
Thanks to his brother G-E-O-R-G-E - there will NEVER be another Bush in the White House!
This is a serious question, dangerfield---do you think Jeb can be evaluated on his own merits or would the memory of his brother's performance be too hard to overcome?
The 2008 campaign was supposed to be about the war in Iraq, but was actually dominated by the financial meltdown, and the electorate was going to elect a Democrat regardless, whoever that was, so the circumstances are much different. Hillary was able and willing to join the Obama administration, could you see either of the two candidates joining the winner's team in this contest?
I hope that answers your question...
Steeler...I don't think anyone can answer that question, but if you look around, he is the most viable alternative for the Republican party. Democrats aren't going to vote for the Republican whoever he is, so the real question is whether independents can accept him...
J-E-B...is clean, no bloody campaign, no free opposition research, high positives and low negatives, and he's already in Florida...sittin' in the catbird seat...;-)
Does anyone know where I can find a good rundown of the rules for brokered conventions? Do you need to have at least some delegates to be considered, or is it a total free for all?
Besides that, let me ask ya'all a question. Should Newt win the most delegates the conventional wisdom is that the GOP establishment will go into full on panic mode, setup a brokered convention, and GIVE the nomination to someone other than Newt. If that happens (it won't) what effect would that have on the Republican base? My assumption is that the Tea Party types will not be pleased at all.
dangerfield,
Thank you. It does. (Spanky grits???? I think we should give an award to Ideology for that one!)
And, no, I think proverbial Hell would freeze over before the two GOP candidates ever did ANYTHING together!
Enter the last dream date that Republicans may have at their disposal. His name is Jeb Bush, and this time, there is a feasibility around the idea that seemed unthinkable months ago.
To be sure, the Jeb scenario will need more instability in order to flourish. The likeliest path involves Gingrich’s momentum carrying him through Florida; the February races in Arizona and Michigan dividing between Romney and Gingrich; Romney rebounding in March in moderate-leaning midwestern states such as Illinois and Wisconsin; Gingrich winning easily in the Deep South on Super Tuesday and Texas in early April, with Romney proving equally strong in New York and the rest of the Atlantic coastline, while states like Ohio and Indiana fail to resolve the split.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/288986/draft-jeb-bush-artur-davis
dangerfield,
And if not Jeb, who else could the GOP pick in a brokered convention? I can't see anyone that would have the name recognition and also bring a key swing state with them!
dangerfield--I thought that was an interesting point in the SOTU address last night when the President commented that in the War Room with Secy Gates, appointed by a Republican, and Secy of State Clinton, his opponent from his own party, they were all on the same side.
I have always thought that the Republicans would turn to Gov. Christie.
Take care of that tank, (and everything else around it)
Jeb is not in this this year, drop it, forget it, leave it alone, take a walk or any other cute saying. He doesn't want any part of it. (but he does have future aspirations, he's trying to keep Rubio out of it also)
It's going to take a while for the debt debacle to clear from peoples memory and for them to realize that it really wasn't Bushes fault.(it isn't Obama's fault either) Four years is too soon, especially when the oppositions claiming it is every chance they get.
Brokered convention on the GOP side, whoever it is has to have some delegates from somewhere, they cannot bring someone from outside the nominating process. So you can expect Santorum stay in as long as Mitts looks weak, I doubt he will get as much support as Dr Paul, but there is a chance they could swing it his way. (the republican faithful would revolt at that point)
This is why the Grinch hammering Romney is a good thing for Dr Paul
Just some thoughts I imagine that are going through the GOP establishments minds: Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virgina, North Carolina
Unfortunately, there is a lot of resentment for both established parties in the Midwest and Rust Belt, that is the heart of Tea Party angst, Dr Paul should do well there and then there is the anti establishment Western states. It's not over by a Long Shot....
Perry dropping out was a good thing for the Dr also, irregardless of who Perry supports. Texans are an independent breed and tend to stick with Texans
Dangerfield,
I read the Davis article in the NR that your link provided.
I find it astonishing that a four times congressman from Alabama would be urging a draft Jeb Bush movement.
Either this story is a plant by Rove oeratives or Mr. Davis has admitted that neither Gingrich or Romney can win the Presidency.
Gingrich is right now playing for a choice spot on the GOP convention prime time speech slot.He will not be the candidate.
Gingrich does not have the money, not even on all the state ballots for the primaries, and does not have the support of the super delegates,every elected GOP official that gets a delegate seat at the convention.
A brokered convention is just movie making fantasy. GOP is stuck with Romney, like they were stuck with Bob Dole.
Actually Northstar,
Mitts has lost the inevitability that was being carefully crafted for him, he has now got to fight for it, he still has the establishment support, but some are looking at alternatives, Dr Paul is not as unsupported or "Out There" as everyone thinks, the more delegates he gets, the more they will look at him.
The polling data is going to start taking a toll also, the power brokers don't want to get this one wrong and they is some momentum towards the Good Dr. just because he does the best against the president head to head and has been able to hold that position, the establishment is going to come around sooner or later, and there are signs of it out there in the corners...
It is still Mitts nomination to lose, but his window is closing....
Another huge loss and The Dr is going to get a serious look... They all know the Grinch isn't "it"
Chuck Todd said no way will there be a brokered convention, FYI
Egilman,
Paul gave the best answer at the GOP debate the other night in discussing Cuba. Loved his" history lesson" that the COLD WAR IS OVER, so lets move on.
Paul reminds me of Ralph Nader, consistent in his views . Paul will not take his message to a third party run like Nader did. So Paul will get to speak at the GOP convention too.
One curious thing is Paul is absent a lot on the campaign trail, spending time at his home in Texas. What is with that?
It is unlikely that Jeb Bush would agree to throw his hat in the ring. While it is true, he would have been the better of the two brothers as President, he has his own baggage in his immediate family.
His wife has had her problems as the First Lady of Fl., she is very shy and not comfortable being in the public eye and this incident didn't help her in getting comfortable:
www.sptimes.com/News/62299/State/Gov_Bush_says_his_wif.shtml
In addition his daughter had drug problems while he was Governor, and I doubt they'd want that dragged into the limelight. So no, I doubt Jeb would make that leap, the GOP in Fl glorify his name as they do Ronald Reagan, he was not well thought of by Democrats, although he was a cut above of our present Governor, the hated Rick Scott, Tea Party favorite.
Northstar,
Yeah that was the best line of the debate, there is no real enemy, so why all the warmongering?
Dr Paul doesn't have the pocketbook that Mitts has and only one outside contributor, (I haven't found out who it is yet) the rest (70%) comes from grass roots fundraising. He cannot afford to beat the street in every state especially the expensive ones like Florida, he's running a few ads and doing the debates, he was never expected to do well in Florida anyway, solid third would be what was expected. So, tactically thinking it doesn't make sense to waste a lot of money in Florida especially when most of his support is midwest to western states. That, on top of it being an all or nothing state. The fact that he pulled a solid second in New Hampshire was a win for his campaign.
Amy,
A Brokered convention would be a disaster for the establishment wing of the party, but a BOON for the progressive wing...
It gives them a platform for their issues to be heard showing the world that the old guard republicans are not dead.
I think with Newt Gingrich in the run for the GOP nomination, the Democrats do not need any more help. Newt Gingrich simply does not relate to what is important to the younger generation of our nation, NOR does he seem to understand what it takes to develop and execute a well defined JOBS program. He is NO better than Obama in that regard - just a LOT of hot air and not much else. I am sorry to see the GOP party getting factionalized by the likes of Gingrich. Does anybody understand what Conservatism is any more? Conservatism means to NOT resort to empty BRAVADO, but to articulate simply and cogently with few words what the actions would be. The GOP field is rather weak, and it is sad to see that Obama will have an easy run of it come election time.
You make a good point, really, does anyone understand Conservatism? No exclusive tax loopholes with different types of income at different rates. No one should be more "equal" than others. The Republicans now running for president are not the "real conservatives".
So Newt was the cause of the housing crisis ? His bad advice to as a consultant ?
The truth of the matter is that Newt likes the trappings of wealth more than Romney. His ego is fragile. He wants the Tiffany jewelry for Calista (or whatever current wife), a lavish vacation retreat with the people for whom he consults (for thorough history lessons), the presidential seal on his peanuts, and being noticed (or even receiving applause). He likes being a big shot (which is why he couldn't stop himself from being a lobbyist). Being a lobbyist as a former big shot gives you almost as much cache as a big shot. (Of course, if the patrons knew how much Republican Congressmen hated Newt, they would have saved their money.)
Conversely, Romney likes power. He makes alot of money, but I think he prefers controlling the destiny of many people. He has been willing to kiss the hand of many power brokers and change all of his important positions to have the crown placed on his head. I notice that a large charitible donation of his went to the George W. Bush Presidential Library (a gift for which I'm sure he sought nothing in return - but it is interesting that all of the Bush Mafia supports him). He seems to particularly relish bragging that he forced Ted Kennedy (a senator loved by many and only recently deceased) to take out a mortgage on his home. And he states that he likes to fire people. And it appears he is hot and heavy to control the military and start another war with Iran. He wants the military to be BIG, BIG, BIG (no wimpy cuts as proposed by Obama). Daddy's favorite son gotta have it. He'll show that John McCain a thing or two about fortitude.
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The differences between Romney and Gingrich are really not all that inspiring or worth noticing. They have to stop harping on what Obama is doing wrong, and INSTEAD talk about what they WILL od if elected to get the nation back on the right course.
Gingrich looks almost like Idiot Caligula when he keeps talking about the Lincoln-Douglas style debates he proposes to have with Obama. Lincoln? Who? Douglas? Who?
Now, Gingrich is a tad presumptuous isn't he?
Just one more comment on Newt Gingrich, while also disclaiming any sort of a leaning on my part towards Romney. Now, Gingrich keeps referring to his "association" with Ronald Reagan. That is a JOKE. Reagan had a very bright and capable group of advisors; Gingrich was NOT one of them. Reagan never gave Gingrich the time of day, so why is Gingrich trying to "SHINE ON BORROWED FEATHERS"?