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A race for the GOP presidential nomination that had seemed headed toward a quick conclusion just a week ago now seems more headed toward a protracted and expensive competition, thanks to Newt Gingrich's victory in Saturday's South Carolina primary.
Republicans in the Palmetto State dispatched the possibility of any tidy resolution to the primary campaign by handlng the former House speaker a 12-point victory over Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who had hoped to wrap up the nomination.
The candidates are now focused on Florida, which hosts a primary closed to Republican voters only on Jan. 31; the winner is awarded all of the Sunshine State’s delegates, but will also assume a degree of momentum from winning such a large contest in an important swing state.
"That’s the case you have to make in this contest – that you’re strong enough to compete in all of the states," said Kevin Madden, an adviser to the Romney campaign.
The contest in Florida is already shaping up to be an especially pointed one between Romney and Gingrich, the two of whom are already taking shots at each other at campaign events. They’ll confront each other directly at Monday evening’s NBC News/National Journal debate.
“What we know is that 75 percent of the party has consistently not wanted Mitt Romney,” said Rick Tyler, a former spokesman for Gingrich who now helps run a super PAC aiding the former speaker. “Here in Florida, because Rick Santorum has essentially collapsed and Ron Paul is not competing, it's essentially a two-way contest. All I need to do is align Newt Gingrich with that 75 percent and Mitt Romney with Charlie Crist.”
The Romney campaign had treated Florida as a firewall even before losing the South Carolina primary. Almost 200,000 early and absentee ballots, which are expected to favor Romney, have been cast. And the state favors organization and money, the latter of which the Romney campaign has, as evidenced by a $2.3 million broadcast buy made this week.
The dynamics of the Florida campaign could allow Gingrich, though, to rally dissatisfied conservatives behind his candidacy and ride momentum from South Carolina – where his candidacy was resurrected for the second time this cycle – to compete and even win in Florida.
Tyler said that he expects Gingrich to win Florida, but asserted victory there wasn’t critical to the ex-speaker’s hopes of winning the nomination.
That’s because of the way this year’s primary calendar is set up.
Beyond Florida, the campaign also enters relatively dormant phase with several smaller caucuses and primaries through early March, mostly in states advantageous to Romney.
Nevada, a state where Romney has previously campaigned and which has a sizable Mormon population, hosts its caucus on Feb. 4, and Colorado and Minnesota host subsequent caucuses on Feb. 7.
Those are the only contests until the end of the month, when Arizona and Michigan host primaries on Feb. 28. Romney has an advantage in Michigan, where he was raised and where his father served as governor. Washington state also hosts a March 3 caucus.
Texas Rep. Ron Paul is also concentrating his efforts on winning some of these caucuses, where his enthusiastic supporters typically play an outsized role in similar contests.
That means Gingrich’s next big opportunity could come on March 6, this year’s “Super Tuesday,” when 10 states hold their contests – putting a number of delegates in play. It’s the results from those contests which could provide the best glimpse of how long the primary campaign will last, and whether Romney or Gingrich can finally score a decisive knockout blow.
“I think it's very important,” Tyler said of March 6. “But I think if Newt performs well in Florida, he'll do very well on Super Tuesday.”
The 10 contests on that day could favor Gingrich, since a number of them are in southern or more conservative states whose voters might be more inclined to support him. Gingrich won't be on the ballot in one of the states, Virginia, where he failed to qualify.
For its part, the Romney campaign has always stressed the primacy of winning delegates, and has prepared for the possibility of a drawn-out primary against a conservative challenger.
“The campaign was built for a very competitive primary contest,” Madden said. “I think we’re prepared to go all the way.”
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Oh yes, please Vote for Newt, Rick or Ron in Florida and take this thing all the way to the Republican Convention.
It is true that China would like to see Obama get another 4 years! They will gladly increase his balance on the Bank of China credit card he holds so dearly!
Are you better off today than you were 4 TRILLION DOLLARS ago?
All this corporate spending is liable to lower the unemployment rate. About the only way Republicans "create jobs" is to spend oodles on attack ads. Keep it comin'!
Are you better off today than you were 4 TRILLION DOLLARS ago
Much better off than in the year 2008.
Oh, as if President George W. Bush and the GOPers don't have China's blueberry pie all over their collective faces. Where was your outrage about the deficit and the debt from 2001 through 2008, Bill T and Rob? Or is it as I suspect, that republicans only whine when a democrat is in office. Seriously, the republican party has NOT been fiscally responsible in 30 years. According to VP Cheney, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter" so if it didn't then, please explain why it matters so much to the GOP now when they are the ones whose failed policies of voo doo economics caused the deficit meltdown and debt explosion. It was Bush 43 and GOP who took several years of balanced budgets, of budget surplus and blew it to pieces in less than one year. Sorry, fellas, but you and your GOP has zero credibility on the subject and making such ridiculous comments proves it.
Shades of 1964..."Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." (Barry Goldwater)...I met Barry Goldwater..None of these Poltroons parading before us measure up to Barry Goldwater. In fact they would most likely run Goldwater out of the Republican Party...
Shades of 1964..."Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." (Barry Goldwater)...I met Barry Goldwater..None of these Poltroons parading before us measure up to Barry Goldwater. In fact they would most likely run Goldwater out of the Republican Party...
If you do a little research you will find that the Tea Party originated while Bush was in office. You will find very few republicans defending Bush's spending. So I guess your point is that since Bush increased the debt then Obama should just push the accelerator right to the floor board?
That makes alot of sense.
Who cares? These guys are a bunch of losers.
Obama Biden 2012
Yes, GOPers, vote away for Newt. He is for family values, but practices anti-family values. He is against government regulation, but as he chided Gregory on MTP yesterday, he is for more regulations. He says he hates the elite, all while spending millions at Tiffany's and taking a Greek Isle vacation while running for president. He wants possession of pot a death penalty crime, but when he smokes it, he gets a pass. Show us your true colors GOP/TP - the color of puke.
Wasn't to long ago that many FR libs were lamenting on romney having clear sailing to the republican nomination. now they are showing their confusion. :)
Now RedDev----Newt wasn't on vacation in the Greek isles---he was researching European socialism. When he shops at Tiffany's he is helping the economy.
The TP may have been unhappy with Bush but they sure didn't make it known; no big demonstrations until after Jan 21, 2009, no "I want my country back" either so that argument doesn't wash. The TPers are reincarnated versions of many GOP factions including the John Birchers, the only thing that changed was the tea bags they stapled to their hats and clothes. They are the same people who believe in small government except when it comes to personal, individual rights; they are the same people who speak about fiscal responsibility but only care when they are not in power; they are the same people who preach religious freedom while imposing theirs on everyone else.
That's OK RedDevil.... we see the true color of the democrats as well. Pretty much like what you describe with a few added features, like not wanting to cut spending, raising taxes and showing no fiscal restraint. The democrats true color is the ripe color of BS and smells just as bad.
Oh, right Steeler, I forgot the Greek Isles was a research project. Funny, according to the right-wing nut jobs, he could have stayed home and used Obama as a socialist research project.
Jody,
Bush had revenue in 2007 of $2.568 trillion with spending of $2.728 trillion for a deficit of $160.7 billion.
Obama had revenue in 2011 of $2.173 trillion with spending of $3.818 trillion for a deficit of $1.645 trillion – 10 TIMES Bush’s deficit!
Really? In one year, huh?
Surplus in 2001 and a deficit of $157.8 billion in 2002 which was less than every budget deficit under Clinton before the contract with America in 1995.
And again LESS THAN 1/10th OF OBAMA'S DEFICIT THIS YEAR.
Sorry, Jody, but you have zero understanding of the facts and what you are talking about.
But don't let that stop your ignorance and repeating the lie.
Actually, the Tea Party, using the name, "Tea Party" formed January 24, 2009.
The Bush Administration never maintained the cost of either wars in the Budget. Nor did they pay for the Medicare Part D Drug plan that had a couple of trillion price tag over 10 years.
You spend 2-3 Billion per week for the war and exclude the drug plan and yeah, it probably does look like he's doing good with just 160+ billion in deficit spending.
Sorry friend, the Bush Administration went from 5+ Trillion at the beginning of their term to just under 11Trillion at the end. You don't get that difference by averaging 160+ Billion / year in deficit spending in 8 years.
How are those cherries this time of year...cause you are picking some doozies.
I'd like to see a prolonged battle, but I don't see how.
The media including First Read is playing up this "brand new race" storyline. But the media knows the biggest primary is the fundraising and organizing contests. Gingrich is down to a shoestring prayer of hoping his last result gets him the cash to participate in the next event. That can work coming out of Iowa. South Carolina? Don't think so. There's no way he will be able to match Romney in ads or ground war in Florida and beyond.
Right now, Romney's biggest threat is a convention that decides at the last minute to toss out the delegate system and just pick another nominee. Unlikely, but possible. There's nothing legally binding about these delegates - these primaries aren't public elections; the parties are private entities. That said, it would cause all sorts of problems with members, especially both who happen to really like Romney.
But come convention time, Romney will have the delegates. Remember, Gingrich already knows he has 0 in Virginia. And Florida is a state that doesn't hold plasticity against candidates. Romney shouldn't have too much of a problem regaining momentum (as unenthusiastic as Romney momentum may be) there.
I suppose he could keep Gingrich alive for a few more states with a major league debate stumble or something like that. But that's not likely either. The reason the establishment has resigned themselves to Romney is because he is so predictable. He isn't a great candidate by any stretch, but he is a relatively safe candidate.
Obama doesn't even HAVE A BUDGET. Are you suggesting he is not running up the debt?
Budget is a plan - we know what we spend, we know what the debt is.
Bush's deficits: (in billions)
2001 (Surplus of 128.2)
2002- 157.8
2003 - 377.6
2004 - 412.7
2005 - 318.3
2006 - 248.2
2007 - 160.7
2008 - 458.6
2009 - 1,412.7
Total - 3.5466 Trillion
Source is OMB, Historical Tables, Table 1.3
BTW Allen, the costs of the wars under Bush - 8 years was $760 billion.
Sorry .... you still wouldn't even come close to your liberal crap number.
And none of the GOP/teahadist candidates will even get support of the moderate voters.
Allen - the total cost of the 10 year Iraq/Afghanistan wars was $850 Billion. Obama has deficits of $1.2 trillion each year. There is no justification for adding $7 trillion to the national debt by blaming it on wars or Medicare Part D. They are only a very small portion of that $7 trillion. Besides, if Bush didn't pay for the wars, how could we have maintained the military? The wars were NOT unfunded as you liberals state so matter of factly. The national debt is a number that's figured each year. 6 years is a long time to have something unfunded.... or doesn't that make any sense to you? The funds may not have gone into the budget, but they were covered as they were needed. When Bush left, the national debt was $10 trillion. After 3 years of Obama, we are now at $17 trillion. Speaking of budgets, where's Obama's approved budget located? Where have any of Obama's budgets shown up?
Allen - why waste your very precious time replying Bob. Bob is simply deluded just like the rest of his clans. They wished the calamitous 8yrs of Bush could some how be erased from our memories or history with unrelenting lies.
Bob, keep living ya lies........it's healthy.
bob - actually the costs of those wars are a political football, and the numbers that get thrown around back and forth look at very different factors.
The O&M (operations and maintenance funding line) costs are one thing. That's the Republican number. It's also the lowest. Probably not a good number, because it doesn't even include the cost of ammunition replacement (expensive stuff), which comes under procurement.
At the other end of the spectrum, you have the Harvard study that included the costs of long-term health care for vets. That's the one that pushes well above $3 trillion.
The middle ground looks at O&M and replacement costs for worn/attrited gear, and potentially looks at the cost of the mine resistant vehicle program, which really only came into existence because of the immediate need to survive IEDs. That MRAP thing on the procurement budget line is several hundred billion dollars by itself. A good middle ground number is somewhere just under $2 trillion.
Bob 180+
Your post at .20 is BS. I'm inclined to add, "and you know it." But you don't.
How is it you miss the significance of the almost one-trillion-dollar increase in the budget shortfall in Bush's last year? Might there be just the teensiest-weensiest problem there? Why yes Bob, there was and is.
In Bush's last year the economy fell into the toilet, where it had been heading under the grossly incompetent Paulson and his merry band of looters, who had been telling us repeatedly that the economy was in fine shape. He lied, right along with the rest of the administration. To make matters worse, and you dogma types refuse to admit, the enforcement and investigative mechanisms designed to police the financial services sector had been gutted.
In the last half of Bush's final year in office, the GDP had actually begun to shrink. By the last quarter, the GDP was contracting at an annual rate of almost 8%. There is absolutely no way tax revenues are going to increase under those conditions. Indeed, revenue collections had to decline.
Since Bush left office, the drop in the economy slowed and has actually begun to turn upward. It is not merely disingenuous to come here with your crap, it is downright dishonest. Anyone with as little as a single semester of Economics is not going to take your posts seriously.
What we see today in the economy is the result of a concerted effort to destroy government. It has been bought and used as a tool of the rich to re-distribute wealth upward. You cannot produce a single statistic that shows otherwise. Not one.
For anyone who seeks a relatively easy to understand explanation of what has happened, I urge you to see Inside Job. These alleged "capitalists" are destroying the entire planet. Watch this documentary and you'll realize they aren't capitalists. They're no more than garden-variety con men who should be in prison.
Besides, if Bush didn't pay for the wars, how could we have maintained the military? The wars were NOT unfunded as you liberals state so matter of factly.
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Uh...by the numbers you cited yourself there was a steady increase in deficit spending during the Bush term, where exactly was the reduction elsewhere if the wars were paid for?
The national debt incresed by 4.9 trillion dollars under the Bush Administration. I wasn't aware that China gave us an interest-free, 250 year loan making it no big deal to have a debt increase of 4.9 trillion.
The longer it goes the better it gets. I can't wait for a brokered convention! Paul has the base and the funds to get to the finish line. Mitt has unlimited money. Newt can be the anti-Romney for another month or so. Rick, I think is done after Florida. Let's see what happens.
Uh...by the numbers you cited yourself there was a steady increase in deficit spending durin the Bush term, where is exactly was the reduction elsewhere if the wars were paid for?
They were paid for by the debt. EXACTLY as is happening now. Let me get this straight... since you consider the wars unfunded under Bush, do you now consider all of our deficit unfunded under Obama? I mean if one is unfunded, so is the other... how come you never mention that in your posts? Maybe if you'd stop the liberal talking point that states that Obama somehow paid for the wars after Bush left office, your point might be taken more seriously.
The national debt incresed by 4.9 trillion dollars under the Bush Administration. I wasn't aware that China gave us an interest-free, 250 year loan making it no big deal to have a debt increase of 4.9 trillion
Huh? What are you rambling about now? Where did this come from? It seems some loose thought escaped and ended up on my screen with no bearing on anything.
No confusion here sparky, letting the GOP candidates slug it out during these debates will ensure an Obama win in November. Hearing all the dirt about the GOP policies and actions as these candidates try to destroy each others chances for election is nothing short of priceless :-) Keep it up and thanks!
The longer, more expensive, and nastier the GOP race gets, the more polarizing each of the candidates becomes, thus totally splintering their general election votes in November. Dems couldnt envision a better combo of Romney vs Gingrich. The wanna-be centrist vs the extremist. Let's just see if there are more nut-jobs than dreamers to determine the GOP candidate.
There goes Bob lying again. While spending is high Bob, revenues is at the lowest point in 60 years.
http://www.factcheck.org/tag/deficit/
That's the Republican plan. It's called starving the beast. You cut taxes and enter into deficit spending causing a fiscal crisis that then leads to the cutting of entitlements. That's why Bush cut taxes and went to war.
So blaming Obama for a Republican plan enacted during Reagan is just plain silly. If you want to get out of this mess we have to stop the policies of starving the beast.
The Republican contenders (Romney, Gingrich and Paul) are poor choices for the Oval Office.
The GOP supporters know this and they do not know which of the 3 unfit candidates to chose.
Thus, the right-wing race has become protracted.
A bad harvest of "presidential" choices is the GOP's huge problem.
Thank you, South Carolina! So now, the Ro-money express has been derailed or possibly only sidetracked. Here are two repukes nightmare scenarios. Paul gets P.O.'d and runs as a third party candidate. And or the primary fight goes to the convention to be decided. If the Repuber's elites get their way and nominate Ro-money then there could be a teabagger revolt to with hold their votes from the moddish Ro-money. If Gingrich gets the nod the moderate Repubes may go to Obama and forget about the Independents. Either scenario is a harpoon to the heart for the GOPhers. Ain't life grand!
Ditto! And so are they, but they won't admit it.
TO: Rob in ma-3189632 who wrote:
Not exactly. The Bush Administration ran this country into the ground by running up the debt, AND not taking in any revenues at the same time. The results were catastrophic.
President Obama was forced to take the actions that he did, specifically, Obama helped the American People avoid staggering homelessness and starvation.
Obviously, Republicans have learned NOTHING from all the terrible things that occurred under Bush that even Newt Gingrich has articulated more than once.
Obama / Biden 2012
Newt Gingrich - proof that "family values" and "morality" are only given lip service by the GOP. They dont mind talking the talk, but sure dont walk the walk.
"It's not who votes that count's, it's who count's the votes"- Joseph Stalin
L4ugh!ngm@n: are you saying the GOP would like, cheat, and steal to win an elected position ? For shame.... :D
If they can't work with each other ... how in the hell is Obama going to work with them ... what a joke!!!!
The mud balls they are throwing now ... will pale in comparison to the pure crap they will be heaving at Obama!
I am so glad I don't have to watch these idiots, heard more than enough, go ahead and spend all that SUPER PAC MONEY, on a wasted campaign or should I say losers.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!
RECALL GOV WALKER OF WI!!
Bill T from USA
You think this up yourself?
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Thanks for the Bush indictment! $500 Billion in unfunded liabilities per year handed to the next president (Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security, Medicaid, Bush Tax cuts) PLUS a collapsed economy that provides $500 Billion less tax revenue per year TIMES 4 years EQUALS $4 Trillion that's on our books no matter who was elected. Thank you GOP!
Rob in ma-3189632
Hardly the floor board my friend. $4Trillion from Bush... Obama ended Iraq and will end Afghanistan years before a Republican would have even slowed them down... the only added spending was aimed at either saving the downtrodden or recovering the crap economy. You people did real good and killed most agenda items and made health care reform minimal.
Thanks. We appreciate your help.
Oh please let this be a long battle. The Republicans will do all the work for President Obama. They will throw the skeletons at each other and show everyone what each of them is hiding. And, the Democrats can just sit back and watch them destroy each other. Then, they'll try to repair the damage done. I've never understood why they do this in the primaries - both parties. It just gives ammunition to the other party. Clearly no one is thinking ahead. Although, in the case of Newt - everyone already has TONS of ammunition!
@LmarcT
Obama ended the war in Iraq?.....Yes, however onlyin time for election! Not as promised!!!! Remember his words "The FIRST thing i will do is bring the troops home (from Iraq)...and you can take that to the bank!!!"
The only thing you can take to the bank from Obama is the bailout money from the tax payers!!!!
And btw...yes there is a republican that would have done it quicker than Obama....and that man is Ron Paul! Come to think of it....even Obama is taking ideas from Ron Paul (as well as all the other GOP's) Obama recently "lied" again, stating he wants to shrink gov't.....come on....he also said...."change is still coming"
You are being fed a crock of lies on the debt by people who publish numbers from right wing web sites here are the facts. Bush doubled the national debt. He spent a total of over 6 trillion dollar during his tenure as the president of the United states. Also 3 President bus his father and Reagan are responsible for 70% of the debt thru 2008. Most right wingers do the same thing as Gingrich and that is tell outright lies. Obama spent a trillion or close to that because of the mess the republicans made of this economy and the worlds economy.
Here in a nutshell is a list of our last Presidents and the percentages of borrowing they did while in office.
Truman NONE
Eisenhower 3%
Kennedy Johnson 6%
Nixon Ford 14%
Carter 13%
Reagan 25%
Bush I 28%
Clinton 6%
Bush II thru 2002 23%
Bush II FROM 2003 to end of term 32%
So who are the big spenders? Why its Republicans who offer meager tax cuts to the not so rich and famous while lavishing tax cuts on the wealthy which make them have to borrow in order to keep the government running. This is a shill game and we better wake up to it before it is too late.
Bush I BushII and Reagan are responsible for 70% of the Debt we owe now.
Thank God they were fiscal conservatives
Right now we have the top two republicans swinging at each other and the republican voters with a choice on who to vote for between the top two by choosing which one makes you throw up in your mouth or on the floor!
"Obama ended the war in Iraq?.....Yes, however onlyin time for election! Not as promised!!!!"
Here is another pathetic deception! Easily counted as stupid. You must live under a rock not to know the end of the war was settled before obama took office when Bush and theur President made an agreement on troop withdrawal. Why dont you people on the right tell us what you are going to do to get this country back where it was before you almost destroyed it? Oh thats right you are proposing a 60% tax increse for poor people a 2.5% tax decrease for middle class and a 15% tax decrease for rich people!!!!
This in the face of surveys that say taxes should be raised on rich folks and that includes the majority of them.
RON PAUL, I'm not a republican but would vote for him.
The show must go on!
the CLOWN CRICUS continues LMAO WHAT A SHOW!
BUSH
Bush was arguably the worst president in American history It was on his watch that 9/11 took place; it was Bush & the GOP who failed to kill or capture Bin Laden: it was Bush & the GOP who failed to destroy Al Qaida and the Taliban after 8 years of war and trillions of dollars spent; It was Bush & the GOP who lied to the entire world about WMD in Iraq; It was Bush & the GOP who failed on the war on terror; It was Bush & the GOP who turned a record Federal surplus into a record deficit by failing to raise taxes to pay for the wars. I think Bush let Bin Laden get away on purpose to give him an excuse to invade Iraq and create a bogey man to manipulate the public just like in the novel 1984
Why did Bush let Osama Bin Laden get away? He was cornered in Afghanistan yet the entire American military machine FAILED to get him. Did Bush let him get away on purpose or is the entire American military machine just incompetent? and remember all those phony code yellow, orange and other color alerts issued by the Bush & Cheney administration …oh forget about Cheney he was to busy hiding in an undisclosed location just like he hid during the Vietnam war. I think Bush let Bin Laden get away on purpose to give him an excuse to invade Iraq and create a bogey man to manipulate the public just like in the novel 1984
It doesn't matter how much and what we say=====they don't care!!!!
They have wasted millionns publically bickering not producing or promoting anything but egos. THey are a waste and a wasteful bunch of fools. Millions wasted simply to bicker and bully one another---what a waste!
And they feel they THEY are fit to be President---he he he he he hehe hehehehe
Some of you need to learn what being a conservative is. A conservative is suppose to believe in small government, that doesn't oppress people, instead gets out of the way of our liberties and rights in this country. Some of you who claim to be conservatives are standing pat with government oppression. I mean it looks like you so called "conservatives" like what the banks are doing with our tax dollars, they received to "NOT FAIL". While our government is selling our jobs, to the highest bidder. If our government would get out of the way, we could all prosper, but you only like being a "Fox News Conservative". The military industrial complex is not small government, no matter which way Sean Hannity twist it. Locking people up for peaceful assembly sure as hell isn't a conservative value. Pay close attention people, with the NDAA as law now, you could be the next one to lose your rights, and be jailed without Habeas Corpus. Either learn, to be and act like a true conservative, or stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you sure as hell aren't acting like one, and are making true conservative look like hypocrites.
Bush had the Patriot Act & bail outs, Obama has the NDAA & bail outs, and your sitting here arguing which one is worse? They both have taken the 4th amendment and wiped their collective asses with it. Turn the TV corporations off, and stop listening to their bull@!$%# and learn how to think for yourselves! Your beloved tv anchors, are bought and paid for just like your government. There is only one true conservative running and both parties call him a lunatic, sounds like he is doing something right to me.
The Constitution is in black and white by the men who wrote it and seconded by those who adopted it. The truly shocking thing is how many rights have already been infringed.
Ron Paul, the Champion of the Constitution and the Thomas Jefferson of our day, is a true American patriot and statesman. I am sick of oath-betraying, constitution abrogating, warmongering establishment neoconservatives posing as Republicans. Wake up America! Ron Paul for President in 2012.
Dragging this out and having the Reps attack each other is a DEMOCRATIC CONSPIRACY.
The Democrats are forcing the Reps to spend like the drunken sailors they are
The Democrats are making Romney demand Newt come clean and release all on his this convictions and investigations!
The Democrats are forcing Newt to attack Romney!
Yes We Democrats are just that much smarter, we make you do the work while we just laugh our asses off at your Flavor of the Month.
Lets ee it was all about Bobby Payush Jindal
then was it Christie
And then Trump
And a mish mash of Bachman, Perry, Cain
And Giuliani stuck his head out for a short while too
BEFORE THE PARADE PASSES BY I'M GONNA GET SOME LIFE OUT OF MY LIFE!
(throw trinkets and beads here)
Please take this to the Convention, you are cheating Ron Paul! Or was that Herbie Cain? Oh spend hundreds of millions tearing each other to shreds!
We are loving it
By the way "Sick of Liberals"?
Ron Paul is Bat Sh-t Crazy and a Bigot to boot. Everyone knows this, even you know that
Eric
At first I was caught of guard by bob's numbers. But I keep an up to date excel copy and quickly determined that the numbers he gave were the total Federal budget instead of federal budget only. I think you need to realize that when people want to talk favorably about their own party's budgeting, they use the better number.
When Gingrich Claimed that he cause 4 balanced budgets that is true - when you look at the Total federal budget and not true when you see the ON-budget Section (two years). But the reality of those years is that in those years the Federal government still borrowed billions of Dollars. In 1999 the government borrowed 86 Billion and in 2000 19 Billion. The fiscal restraint should be noted although our debt really wasn't paid down.
Oh, yes I was remiss - when they attack they always use the worst set of numbers. The only reason to separate numbers is to find where we are out of line so we can take corrective action and not to play political football with.
Frankly True, if bat @!$%# crazy is governing by the constitution, then hell yes he is bat @!$%# crazy. Please tell me how he is actually bat @!$%# crazy? Please tell me, that is all I hear, but not one example is ever given. I mean the Constitution is still the law of the land, isn't it?...........
Me personally, I think anyone who supports more war, the NDAA, and the Patriot Act is a @!$%#ing lunatic.
Frankly True, do you support the NDAA bill Obama signed his name to? Do you even know what the NDAA is? If not, I suggest you read up on it, and see the type of liberty this administration feels we should all have. It's worse than that trash Patriot Act Bush signed his name to.
Ron Paul is the only one running for president who voted no to both bills. Do you know of any other candidate who votes "NO" to liberty grabbing bills? If so please tell me, and I will vote for them.
Yikes, the majority of 'informed' Americans are very frightened at the prospect of a second term! Most Americans would love to see him go back to tlhe neighborhoods of Chicago!
Only those who have been "informed" by Fox News.
The majority of Americans see President Obama as the Clear, Clean and Best Choice for America.
Ryan Lizza/New Yorker, {per Obama Diary}
“Obama didn’t remake Washington. But his first two years stand as one of the most successful legislative periods in modern history. Among other achievements, he has saved the economy from depression, passed universal health care, and reformed Wall Street.”
job1 - i'll give obama the clean part but his clarity and best choice is lacking in so many ways.
Can't wait for the annoited one's State of the Union chat! Be prepared to be underwhelmed America! Be prepared to hear him suggest conservative solutions to problems he has created! The guy and his handlers are so desperate now, he/they will stoop to anything to stop the severe leakage in his base!
ABO 2012.....!
Job1 - you only speak for the liberal faction. Since democrats comprise only 1/3 of the voting public, you clearly can't speak for the independents and the republicans. Republicans don't want him... and from what I've been hearing, many independents that voted for him last time won't be voting for him this time. He's bled a lot of voters... Not looking good for team Obama.
Pat - you sound like one of those Obama spin commercials. Maybe you should break away from the television for a little while.
Rub of the Green - I'll be passing on the SOTU address. I don't need the lies to fill my head. Anything that can be stretched, will be. Anything that can be spun, will be. Anything that stands out to make Obama look like an American hero will be spoken. I am certain he won't repeat that Americans are lazy, we have no exceptionalism and historically we've dumped our trash on other countries. He'll tell other people in distant lands those things but won't repeat those things to the American public and say them to our faces. Everything will be hunky dory, jobs are returning (although they aren't), the economy is getting better (while facing $17 trillion in debt), and GM is number one, bought and paid for by the American taxpayer.
Jody,
You might want to let Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker know he is a dumbass if he thinks Obama saved us from a depression.
The recession was officially over, by economic science definition, in June 2009, before anything Obama could have done would have had time to take efffect.
In fact, the first quarter was showing growth before he took office, compounded by slight positive growth in the second quarter (2 consequtive quarters) is the definition of the end of a recession.
He should probably know that simple fact, huh.
But, by all means, do not let his ignorance stop you from repeating the lie.
And I have at least four solid Republicans that I have have know for some time tell me that they aren't going to vote in 2012 for the Republican choices, because they can't stand the choices they have running in their own party. Two have told me that they will be voting for President Obama, and one now has a Obama 2012 bumper sticker on their car.
President Obama will do just find, because people know that most of this country's problems are due to the Republican Party and facts prove this to be so.
bob lots a numbers, could I ask why you are directing your comment to me since I have not made any reference to when the Great Recession ended or for that matter discussed anything about the recovery today? As for your comment in the previous thread, that I don't know what I am talking about regarding the GOP's fiscal irresponsibility for 30 years, I beg to differ. All one needs to do is look at who grew the debt and the deficit, who grew the size of government while cutting taxes and it all began with Ronald Reagan. It was Ronald Reagan who turned this country from a creditor nation to a debtor nation. We were digging out of that hole and along came President George W. Bush. Sorry, bob, the GOP isn't fiscally responsible. It seems to me the one lacking the facts is you, not me. The only respite in the "deficits don't matter" GOP message came with Bill Clinton jerking Gingrich by the nose to raise taxes and that's when we had some fiscal responsibility but it didn't last for long. As for my comments about the TP, I suggest you pick up John Dean's books to read all about the various and many factions of the conservative party.
Job1 - the democrats have done a great job maintaining that lie. Unfortunately when the rubber meets the road, the lies disintigrate. The blame game hasn't met Newt yet. We've only had a president that perpetuates the lie along with a group of fanatic left wingers that will do everything in their power to overstate their position... Those that aren't into politics (and there are millions who aren't) will wake up as we get closer to the election... to discover the lies the left has been throwing around. For every time a liberal asked of the GOP, where are the jobs bills, they failed to recognize that all the jobs bills are sitting on Harry Reid's table. I guess Harry Reid doesn't want Americans to have jobs.
There is no majority candidate at this time. It seems like the country is split into 3 or 4 groups. We have the Obama people, the Ron Paul people, the Mitt people and the anyone but Obama people. The first 2 groups have die-hard supporters. What about the other 2?
As a registered Independent I can tell you the vast majority of Independents will NOT vote Republican. The GOP offers nothing but hatred and ignorance. Although President Obama has not achieved all we had hoped we understand it is almost impossible to do with a party -the GOP - determined to make him fail. And, frankly, that smacks as being unAmerican. So, we'll be voting Obama in 2012. Don't want to take to country backward by putting in one of the GOP "brains."
Hey Bob and Brianb, guess what unemployment has gone from 9% to 8.3% and the economy has grown each and every quarter since Obama was elected. Check out the DOW its done much better too.
So stop with the "its worse" stuff, cause it isn't.
Miked
We are counting the days until we send him back to Chicago.
Anyone but Obama/Biden in 2012.
Counting the days? It's a lot more than 20, what happens after you've used your toes and fingers. LOL!
Hendy,
Just keep counting, because their is no way any of those idiots will win, you know ,we know, and they know, hell even the Repug party knows. Obama will win in 2012 and we will rule in both houses, then maybe we can finally get this country running again, because the Congress sure showed how they are the party of do nothing!
It never ceases to amaze me the number of folks arguing back and forth over which party is better, which party spent less trillions of taxpayer dollars, which party is really "for" the people. The REAL majority of us know full well that there is no difference between a Democrat and a Republican. Most have the same goal, and that is to serve themselves and their party. There is only one person that stands out to me that truly wants to see things change for the good of the American people, and that is Ron Paul. Sadly, the fact is he probably won't win, and not because he isn't qualified. The mainstream media has crammed it down our throats since the get-go that he won't win, and many people follow blindly without doing any real research on their own. It's always baffling to me reading comments from people who list what they are looking for in a candidate, the list naming almost everything that Ron Paul stands for, and then in their next sentence describe how no candidate exists with those credentials or values.
That being said, anyone in office right now running for another term, whether they be Republican or Democrat, will get my vote based on one issue alone. Did they vote for, or against the NDAA? That is all. That alone is telling enough to me to decide if that person is trustworthy enough to go to Washington and fight for my rights.
plus saved two of the three US automakers from bankruptcy saving thousands of middle class jobs. The Rethugs wanted them to dissolve thinking it would be to their advantage. Guess what? Both have repaid the loans and are back in the black. Sucks for them.
Well said Naomi.
I know a lot media markets are going to be happy to see all that ad money rolling in!
They are the one living in glass houses and throwing stones. But that fine with the people. At least, we can all see what's inside e.g, Romney paying less than 15% or paying nothing in taxes. More stones thrown, more inside view is revealed.
I say we get rid of all of them and get Jon Kyle in the race!
Ah... the GOP ticket.
Get out your raincoats...it's going to hit the fan.
While you're at it, get out your shovels too.
Just wait until september and october, you will need more than just a raincoat and a shovel when obama tries rolling...
Ain't that the truth american! With over a $billion in his warchest, the ads will come fast and furious (ooops didn't mean to mention that one)... Obama will definitely try to use stimulus (ooops again) to stir the American people. He will not increase HIS debt (ooops once more) but he'll bail out (darn again) of any negatives. Obama care(s) (my fingers just won't stop) for each and every dependent American.
Marx my words, Obama will come out swinging.
This is all good -
Voters in the Republican Party are turning their backs on the GOP establishment by voting for Newt Gingrich.
Voters in the Democratic Party are turning their backs on the so call PL media establishment (Rush Limbaugh wanna be's) by voting for President Obama. Again.
Power to the People.
Pat, ate at Nashoba today any other hole in the wall places you would recommend near Ayers?
Pat,
Looks like you are the new object of desire for penguin boy... lol
You can have him, I don't want him...
Tick Tock little buddy... tick tock!
Why are you so concerned with me I am just one of the dumb fux who is expressing my opinions?
NO!
You are a multiple re-regger who has a nasty habit of stalking me - penguinboy!
One time you went so far as to copy my screen name!
You have also been BANNED numerous times by Newsvine!
Like I told you under First Thoughts - you THINK rules don't apply to YOU!
PS: The clocks a tickin little buddy!
and carrot top is the one at the liberal buffet with the feedbag on!
wow, another example of the pot calling the kettle black, carrot top never fails to amuse me, very much like a Las Vegas side show! Whoever came up with the carrot top moniker was spot on....! lmfao!
I am not stalking I am expressing my 1st amendment rights on discussions here. You are twisting my actions into what you want to believe.
Funny how when you disagree with some of the far-left lib's on newsvine they accuse you of contacting them and your account gets suspended or comments get collapsed. The two biggest accusers appear to be feistyredhead & Toasty McGrath. I wonder if maybe they are plants? Oh man now I am doing the conspiracy thingy..lol
Actually you may want to go back and review the U.S. Constitution and specifically the 1st Amendment which reads,
That is that Congress shall make no LAW................ There is no Congressional law making or any other government law making at work on this site and if the moderators of the private site wish to throw people off for violating the terms that all agreed to when signing up, that's their choice to do so. In other words the 1st Amendment does not apply here.
All RIght Feisty and Buck...Don't make me separate you ...if I have to you both get no milk and cookies
BTW Buck Naked? Sounds like a gay porn actors name (and guess what? It WAS one) I mean dude....
(And no I am not saying you are or you are him)
watch Seinfeld reruns, it was one of George's nicknames
ELECTION 2012 TRACKING
Jan 18-22, 2012 – GOP ballot support updates daily at 1 p.m. ET; reflects one-day change. General election trial heats update periodically.
GOP BALLOT SUPPORT
CHANGE
Romney
29%
-1
Gingrich
28%
+3
http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
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Or maybe it's over in a couple, of weeks. Every 'expert' has already been proven to know no more than we do when it comes to this race, but it doesn't stop them from continuing to feign competence in assessing the situation.
dangerfield,
I forget. Didn't these experts tell me not more than a week ago that Gov. Romney had the nomination "in the bag"? I thought this was supposed to be his coronation time! (Wonder where that darn lifeboat is?)
As was Rick Perry--the great GOP hope. I would love to see Newt get the nomination. The GOP has gone f______— crazy. LOL
My guess is that Newt will implode for the third and final time in a few weeks, ending the indecision for the GOP unless, of course, Fred Thompson stops making reverse mortgage TV commericials long enough to rescue them.
Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall at the Bush 41, 43 and Nancy Reagan homes?
It is amazing that Romney carries the title of flippie-floppie, yet Newt flips and flops just as much, if not more than, Romney. The only reason Newt gets away with it is because he is better at deception and fabrication (serial LIAR anyone?). And this is the pick of the GOP/TP.
Speaking of Poor Rick, The Texas Monthly Magazine skewers him....He is the recipient of their 2012 'Bum Steer Award"!
Texans (those who voted for him), have seen the light, and are embarrassed. They should be!
http://swampland.time.com/2012/01/23/the-return-of-the-native-rick-perry-as-damaged-goods-in-texas/
Obama/Biden 2012
RedDevPS, true, Gingrich and Romney are equal opportunity flip floppers. Gingrich rants against Romney's mandate yet Gingrich was a big supporter of it. Actually, there's not a GOP candidate who isn't saying one thing now yet did something different before running. Even Ron Paul has done a couple back flips to pander to the further right than he is.
Chilled, that's funny. He was a Bum Steer.
It's really sad Jody,....his own peeps turned against him......so much for swagger.
Jody,
Do you have an exmple of a Ron Paul "back flip" or pandering. I highly doubt it but figured I would ask since you make the claim.
Ron Paul will be the only republican that can get moderate democrats, libertarians, tea party, and maybe some liberals. That is what its going to take to beat Obama. The rest of the republicans will just get most of the gop and it will take more than that. Romney is the same as obama if you look at who donates to thier race. Newt will get destroyed if he makes nomination.
Jody I think nancy Reagan was not nearly as conservative as these Reps think she was. She just did her job and kept Ronnie awake. Sometimes
I think she is what we gay men call a f-g hag!
In 2008, the media spoke about a long, pro-trackted democratic campaign. There is a difference between the long, democratic primary fight in 2008, and the GOP in 2012. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were both excellent candidates with strong support; it was a matter of deciding which one democrats preferred while recognizing that either one would be a strong president. Both democratic candidates became better candidates.
The GOP fight is one in which neither Romney or Gingrich is liked by voters, both are seen as flawed candidates. The candidates are not getting better, they are regressing. Which one do GOPers choose, the disingenuous flip flopper or the equally disingenuous and bombastic flame thrower. No doubt, conservatives will disagree with my comment but the truth is, why else was there a nonstop plea for someone else to enter the race, why else did one would be knight in shining armor after another ride into the race only to fall off the horse.
I agree with you Jody. The fight between Hilary and Obama was about policies. neither one were hiding their tax returns, flip-flopping on issues, or throwing out red meat for their rabid supporters.
You are right, Jody. There wasn't a huge difference between their positions on many policies. I think electability was an issue for many of us---but more from a point of view of wondering which would be better at withstanding the dirt that the right would throw at them. I was concerned over a rehashing of Bill Clinton and his issues---who would have thought we'd have to do that now with Gingrich as the front-runner?
Exactly, Ramboet; Clinton and Obama weren't attacking each other personally but rather debating their differing policies and ideas. We have heard little from any of the GOP candidates about their specific policies other than their regressive tax cut plans and another war or two. We know the GOPers are against all things President Obama yet we do not know what they are for.
The big question in 2008 was: which Democrat will bring in Independents? Many of us supported Obama when we saw Hillary's unfavorability ratings.
Republicans this year couldn't care less what the Independents think. If they did, Huntsman wouldn't have had such an abysmal showing. Instead, The GOP voters are rewarding the candidates who can throw the most red meat - they just hate being governed by an effective, likeable, African American. Osama bin Laden is dead, but the GOP is all riled up! Guess they were never that worried about terrorists, but an African American President - that's another story.
Obama's campaign against Hillary is considered one of the most sexist campaigns ever. Don't you people read?
Steeler, that was my concern about Hillary as well, the rehashing and reliving of the drama that was the Clinton White House. I also didn't like the idea of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton dynasties.
Amy, that last line is sad but true and a perfect description of today's GOP.
Amy--good point about the independents, both in 2008 and in 2012. Republicans don't seem to be worried about that segment of the vote.
Jody--you are right about the dynasty issue---a reason why I wonder about Jeb Bush's electability. I liked the whole "No Drama Obama" idea that Amy mentioned earlier.
OMG you people are so full of it. the race between clinton and obama was just as dirty. Look how many times obama played the race card against her!
And might I add, McCain was not a bad option for the GOP. He had a lot of support until he chose his running mate. He may be the last sane GOP nominee we see.
Rob in ma - maybe that is because she was the first serious female candidate so any campaign would have seemed sexist (and I'm a female).
LA99999 - McCain looked sane until he chose Palin - sanity gone right there!
Dirt it was Reps like you who saw every word Obama spoke as 'playing the race card' because you never see him as anything but a Black Man...instead of a just a man.
McCain might have won if he had not picked that ignorant feature with the hypocrisy problem. I mean damn..>Sarah Palin? Damn!
Are yall ready for $4.50 a gallon gas prices conservopusses? Looks like the U.S. and the Europeans are standing up to the Iranian islamofascists. U.S. and British task force just passed thru the Straits of Hormuz and are embargoing Iranian oil...You talk the talk, but are you willing to PAY for it?
Just askin!
Too bad Obama sat on his hands when the people of Iran were standing up to thr regime.
Maybe we wouldn't be in this pickle.
Nice try Torpedo but Obama will own the $5.00 gas prices coming this summer. Good luck trying to blame bush, republicans, teaparty, weather, japan, unicorns, or whoever else you silly libs can think of.
just google "obama blames" and you get over 23 MILLION hits. How embarrassing is that?
Torpedo, apparently you don't realize that obama is now POTUS and CinC. Are you suggesting that obama has a secret desire to put boots on the ground like bush?
I can hardly wait for the libs to scream about obama facing a war crimes trial!
To bad technology has changed so much that even a limited wartime economy won't give us a recovery like WWll.
When I google Obama blames, I get 16.5 million hits, and when I google pro Obama, I get 523 million hits. Gee, google really does chart the mood of the country when it comes to Obama - the positive far, far exceeds the negative.
reddev, uhhh just like obama used Acorn to manufacture votes in 2008, Acorn or whatever they call themselves these days, are doing the same thing with your 'research'! The polls would suggest that American's number one fear these days is Obama getting reelected! Look it up chief and learn!
RedDev,
"pro obama"?? Now that's funny. Those 523 Million hits are for searches from people that can't believe the media is still in the tank for this failure. You need to spend a little more time looking at those hits before you post stuff that make Obama look even worse. Get it together man or those checks from msnbc and media matters will dry up.
Hey Hayduke .. throwing a Monkey Wrench in the works by being a conservative and stealing a liberal moniker. Typical bait and switch by the conservative Gang.
Do you think if we go to war with Iran, we won't have $5 per gallon gas?
We're heading toward $5 gas next summer regardless. Our only hope is for energy independence and this failure in the white house just announced by virtue of his keystone decision that he would rather rely on hostile countries for our energy.
Obama is screwing up every sector of our economy.
American...All I was saying was that this pres is playing it smart as opposed to to the conservopusses who WANT to put boots on the ground. ALL of them including most who post here have never served their country like the current crop of republican candidates AND their minions...They scream patriotism but do not know the meaning of the word. The prefer to serve themselves rather than their country. They would rather blame the victims of the largest theft by Wall Street in American history than the thieves.
Go Figure.
Rob in ma - you'd be much happier with yet ANOTHER war wouldn't you? Typical right winger. As long as you don't have to serve you don't care who you send into battle. We've seen enough of that to last a lifetime. And energy independence can come without oil. That is what we really need but the far right will have none of that since most of it's big money supporters are oil companies!
Torpedo they will attack him for any involvement in keeping the shipping lanes open, blast him for the increase all the while the Oil Companies love him for it.
I mean they attacked him over getting Bin Laden....WTF is up with that?
They tracked him over Khadaffi/Quadaffi etc again WTF is up with that?
See the point is to attack Obama, they would attack him if he outlawed being gay, Eliminated all debt and taxes, made Engsih the official language, Stpped Illegal Immigration cold and deported every illegal alien today, they would attack him if he put up a nativity on the white house lawn, they would attack him no matter what he did, even if he changed parties
As stated by one of their senate or house leaders (I forget which one) their only job for the next 4 years it to make sure Obama was a one term president.
Note Not to try to work for the people
Not to try to pass any legislation
Not to do anything for the country
Simply to deny Obama a second term.
Funny we pay them to do this? I don't see anywhere in the job description or oath of office where they swear to make sure the President is not re-elected.
What a great weekend. It looks like Wily Willard has a definite problem about his tax returns. He also didn't help himself by becoming defensive towards a crowd member when asked about Citizens United. Apparently, he has now decided to release last year's tax return as well as an estimate for this year. That ain't going to cut it Willard. We need to know how much taxes you paid while with Bain. Also need to know the amount of taxes you paid on the trust fund for your sons. How about taxes on that load of money you have stashed in the Caymen Islands.
And BTW Willy, we are not envious of your wealth we just want to know if you pay your fair share of taxes or if you enjoy the loopholes that your wealth allows you. Are you an honest taxpayer or not?
Don't forget to find out where he docks his yacht?
Oh, forget it. I'm thinking of someone else. Did Obama put a tax cheat in charge of the Treasury?
So what's your point Rob in ma? Are you saying that because you believe that Tim Geitner is a tax cheat, its OK for Mittens to cheat?
Ramboet - your evidence please, date and outcome of any IRS audits would be appropriate, personal opinions are not.
Let's not forget Mitt's $10million cottage on a New Hampshire lake and the little $3 or $4 million mansion in La Jolla, Ca..which is making bigger for how many $$$?? and by the way...where does he live?
Romney's been running for President for 5 years, and no doubt those 5 years of tax returns are neat and tidy. I'm surprised the GOP candidates aren't asking for earlier ones.
Ramboet,
Do you have any proof that Romney cheated on his taxes? Do you have any proof that Romney didn't follow the tax codes? If you do please show us. There is plenty of proof about Beitner, Rangel and others in the democratic party being tax cheats.
Why didn't Obama and the democratic controlled congress in the first two years of their administration change the tax codes or at lease try and revise them? Guess they were to busy with the stimulus bill, and the health care bill. For 3 years Obama has talked about jobs, jobs, and more jobs and the economy any yet we have seen little except excuses.
Paul S, So Romney has a couple of million dollar houses, did any of the money come out of your pocket, if not then it is none of your business. The government never paid for any of his houses. As far as the remodeling of his house in CA, think of the jobs it has saved or created for the construction people working on it, all without government assistance. That remodel has created more jobs than Obama has.
So what's your point Rob in ma? Are you saying that because you believe that Tim Geitner is a tax cheat, its OK for Mittens to cheat?
I pretty sure that Mitt followed the letter of the law when it comes to taxes. That standard of abiding by the law obviously doesn't matter to Obama and the democrat party since he would hire a known tax cheat to a cabinet post.
All I'm saying is that anyone on the left that calls for Mitt's tax returnings to be released is a HIPCRITE.
Paying 15% tax rate or less is a tax cheat. Maybe he isn't breaking the law, but he is still using loopholes so he doesn't have to pay the same amount as normal working folks. To me that is cheating. Putting your money in an off-shore tax haven is cheating.
It's amazing to me how you are so upset about Tim Geitner but when it comes to a republican, it's OK. You are even on here defending him. Personally, I think it was wrong of Tim Geitner and anyone else... R or D.
Ram, you do realize Romney ran for Pres 4 yrs ago. If you think his tax returns weren't scrutinized then, you're crazy. and, before you call him a tax cheat or "immoral", study the tax code. When he earns money, he pays 35% on it. He can spend or invest what he gets to keep. if he spends, he pays more taxes like sales or property taxes. When he invests, he pays more taxes AGAIN on the same money as it gets taxed. So how many times does it have to get taxe4d to please you? Investing off shore is NOT cheating; it's completely legal. If you don't like it, get your reps to change the tax code!
What tax rate do you pay Ram? If you get a refund, then you're paying ZERO.
Big difference in romney and geitner to me is, Romney didn't "forget" to file his taxes!
Rob in MA
Your desperation is beginning to show.....next thing you know you and your buddies will be bringing out your "Where's Your Birth certificate Muslim" tshirts....
Nothing funnier then watching you panicked azzed teapublicans start to realize your hopes for the 2012 election are fading each and every day!
You better get back to your original plan of having Mickey Mouse run against Obama....although I heard he is pizzed off Minnie is f- ing Goofy - at least you can keep the moral issue going!
sfcret, yes, in a way the money does come from our pockets. For all the taxes he doesn't have to pay, he gets to buy a bigger house and we get to pay a higher rate.
And "dirt", I'm sure you remember some details of Romney's tax returns from 4 years ago since you are sure they were scrutinized. Maybe you could look into it for us so we can be informed. Or maybe nobody called for them 4 years ago, as he wasn't much of a contender then.
dirt - you can get a tax refund and still be paying taxes. Many of us get refunds but they are far smaller than what we pay in. You DO understand how that works, right? It means you've overpaid what you owe!
The GOP "Cosmic Clowns" are already in a very long battle for the hearts but not the "Zombie" minds of the GOP Tea Beggers. They will do alot of "Super Spewing" insults at each other or at the President. Now the GOP Clowns will not mention anything new in economic policy, in tax policy, in trade policy, or in a fair jobs plan. Talking about the failed GOP "Tinkle Down" GOP Economics does not work, and it never has. A fair tax policy is so"Alien" to these Two "Cosmic Clowns." What are the GOP "Economic Solutions" to creating jobs?? So far for Three years the GOP have none however, the GOP Lobbyists are great at saying NO. "Romulian Romney" still is a "Speculative" Capitialist, and has NO cluw of what job creation is. "Nutty Newt" has so many ethical issues, morality issues, and severe mental health issues. What is Presidential about the "Cosmic Clowns??"
The percentage of those simply shouting their bitterness to the heavens on this blog adds nothing to the discussion, and is sort of embarrassing to read...
@ Dangerfield What's new about that?. This is status quo for this blog. No one really discusses as much as cusses at anyone who steps one foot out of line with their idealogy. Sad but true.
It may be true, but it doesn't make it right. :(
I wish these reporters would do a little more homework before saying "Romney has an advantage in Michigan".
1. His dad was the governor (during the 1968 riots)
2. He ws born here (and he thought the auto bailout was a bad idea, nice way to show your loyalty)
3. The last time someone had that kind of prediction, Gov. Engler promised that Bush 43 would win the primary. It went to McCain.
And most importantly, we know he's a liar. It doesn't really matter much, this state isn't going to be a big fan of the GOP/TP policies, never has been. He can't carry this state in a general election.
Must be a slow news day...
Not to mention that the GOP Governor, Snyder, is not popular in Michigan with his "Emergency Manager" take overs of several municipalities, thereby nullifying the vote of the citizens of those cities.
No, Mitt is not popular in Michigan especially after his "Let them go bankrupt" comment that he made when President Obama bailed out/saved the auto industry and the associated suppliers to the auto industry.
The mainstream media hasn't been too perceptive of late. They way oversold the Romney inevitability factor and are in that credibility gap for the interim.
For those wonderng where all the stories about Obama are located, they are all on the bottom of the politics page...I mean way bottom. Why is that MSNBC?
Obama to press Congress to revisit $1.2T in cuts
Obama to talk economy in State of the Union
Obama, in Florida, unveils plans to boost tourism
Obama's elite fundraisers recieve plenty of perks
Obama rejects Keystone oil pipeline
I think msnbc is following the footsteps of FOX News - lead and push the "Clown Act of the GOP"!
The new Republican reality show is America Has Smear, Not Talent.
Obama has faced the greatest challenges as president since the end of WWII, and has worked tirelessly and effectively to address all of them. He draws on the finest minds in the United states and, on international affairs, around the globe, yet he is decisive and confident. The media have been preoccupied with their own interests and Republicans have been firing non-stop misinformation, distortion, lies, smear, lame taunts, and dogmatic ideology at him for five years. But, it is still possible to pick through the mess and determine the facts.
The presidency will always be occupied by men, not Gods. The office has limited powers and a system of checks and balances. Add to that the least respected and most unproductive Congress in modern history and don't expect miracles. Expect unusual commitment and accomplishment, in spite of overwhelming odds.
The beauty of this whole ordeal is that the economy and jobs numbers keep improving(albeit slowly) despite the teabag/gop(greedy old party) attempt to do everything in their power to keep America, the middle class and poor in the gutter with their feeble desperate attemps to regain power in our politcal system. And that fact is driving them up the flippin trees - thus the smears and lies become so incredible it turned into a silly comedy show(trump?) and was quite something to watch. But now the whole show is morphing in to a sad tradegy in that they have narrowed their nominee's down to two contenders. One is a serial adulterer and the other is the poster child for everything wrong with the U.S. tax system. How sad and pathetic that this is the best of the whole lot of them. How can anyone defend them? My God, setting the bar to an all time low......it's on the ground.
Everyone should see this.....then vote...
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151168651225109&set=p.10151168651225109&type=1
Don't look if you're overly squeamish.....
Actually, everyone should go "here" before they vote so you know who's buying who. Jimmy Hoffa would be proud!
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
These are all OLD NEWS HEADLINES my friend JKF!!! Maybe you do not see them last week but they're all 3 days old now.
I am one of the independent voters. In 2000, I voted for Bush. In 2004, I wrote in Mickey Mouse because I could not vote for Bush again or John Kerry. In 2008, I wanted Clinton to win. After 8 years of idealized government with no checks and balances, I wanted a politician that would run from the middle. When she went out, I waffled between McCain and Obama until McCain picked Palin. The thought of her a hearbeat from President scared me. I voted Obama in 2008. Until the republican race began, I said I would vote Republican in 2012. I or most of my friends cannot see voting for Santorum (too socially conservative), Gingrich (republicans munitied under him in the 90s), Paul (too extreme on most issues or Romney (He is the Kerry of the republican Party, same flip flop issues) ... So, the republican Party has left me no choice but to vote for Obama again and hope the Senate does not go Democrat...
Hi everyone. Say what you want, but I will take OBAMA over the repubs anytime!
Obama didn't win the nomination until June so I don't know why the media is so focused on this. The longer the Republicans debate, the more we know about them and the more Obama's failures will come to light on national TV. Hmm, maybe that's why the media wants this to be over sooner rather than later.
"Obama didn't win the nomination until June so I don't know why the media is so focused on this."
The Republican party is choosing it's candidate for President of the United States. You don't think the media should be "focused on this" ?
Seriously?
lukewarm
think about changing your handle to "brain is tepid"........
each day these candidates are exposed to the public is one more positive step forward for Obama!
*Lukewarm* you are neither hot nor cold, [spit]!!
Go0pser's candidates have bamboozled the rhite wangers, so-called evangelicals (not the real ones), kkk, President Obama haters, mormonism, fake values, etc... You are going to learn the truth by I doubt if it going to set you free. When the blind lead the blind, oops!!
lukewarm - are you delirious? We are learning so much more about dear Mitt and Newt - and none of it is good. Every day President Obama looks better and better and better..... The morons the right is running are the most pathetic group of people ever.
Obama is loving this dog and pony show - sorry to all the dogs and ponies out there! This snake and snail show - better - alright I even feel sorry for snakes and snails.
The money being spent on these campaigns is obscene! When are the American people going to wake up and demand that a) the presidency be one term 6 years ONLY; b) that campaigning begin the year of the election, not two years before the election? It's a turnoff to know that millions, billions of dollars being spent for this election while people are homeless and starving in the streets. Obscene!
I agree Sally. But the networks are raking it in and nothing will change. The political process is corrupt to the core.
Sally - one 6 year term does not allow the President to really accomplish anything. I would really like to see the campaigns limited to 3 months and spending no more than $10 million. Period That way they would actually have just enough time and money to just discuss issues and nothing left for the mud slinging. We might actually learn something useful!
They will savage each other so completely that Obama will have very little to run against.
Good, the longer and more expensive the better. Bwahaha.
Looks like big banks may get off with just a 25 billion dollar fine for the mortgage fraud they engaged in. Far short of the 100 Billion fine they should pay.
Too big to fail
Too big to jail
There is probably about 40% of the country that would never vote for Obama, another 40% who would never vote for either Romney or Gingrich...which means yet again, the middle is gonna decide it...now tell me why the Republicans think the winning strategy is to go progressively toward the edge?
You're right van man ... they're too stupid to realize they are alienating independents, and it is the independents that will swing the pendulum back in favor of the Democrats and Obama in the general election. I am an independent, and won't think twice about reelecting Obama.
Gingrich and Romney are almost painful to watch!
They know they have to swing as far right as they can to get the nomination. I guarantee they will be much more moderate once they get the nomination. Then we will see pandering to the indies.
Nope - once these guys have spouted their right wing nonsense there is no amount of pandering that will work.
"You will find very few republicans defending Bush's spending."
You'll also find very few who didn't vote for him.......twice.