Now I'm sure I'm voting for Mickey Mouse! BofA....no way!

Agreed, but a surprising choice nonetheless. It all depends on the timing I guess; what is the public perception of BOA at the time of the convention. I'm actually curious to see how the Mittless Minions attempt to make political hay by taking a shot at Bank of America... perhaps this a little rope-a-dope stragegy.

This is such a non-issue to me, Feisty. I'm just not getting it. If they've chosen the optimal place for the speech---in terms of numbers of people who can attend, ease of access to the facility, security issues, etc.--who cares which corporation owns the naming rights to the stadium? And if BoA is in compliance with all banking regulations, etc., why wouldn't we want them to be successful--lend money, create jobs?

In honor of No Joe's mistaken idea that this was a hockey stadium (which I don't believe she has yet acknowledged), tonight the Pittsburgh Penguins defeated the Carolina Hurricanes in a shootout!

This is a huge blunder for the democrat party and Obama. If left wing democrats tolerate this decision after all the bashing specifically of this bank and do not call out the party and Obama for this hypocrisy they will lose all credibility. It doesn't matter that the bank doesn't own the property. What matters is that this stadium bears the name of a bank that has been endlessly bashed as evil and corrupt by the left.

But that is only half the problem I have and the left should have with this event.

"But the choice will enable the Charlotte Host Committee -- which is charged with raising the $36 million needed to pay for the convention -- to offer access to the stadium's plush skyboxes as part of a package deal of perks it has put together to entice wealthy donors and fundraisers. "

So once again the left is very happy to take the evil money from the 1 percent. So the event is bought and paid for by a few that the left is happy to bash all day long.

If you are going to call somebody the devil then don't play with them - ever.

Gee - if the Republicans could only find a candidate - maybe they could use this for political advantage.

Obama is worried about having enough seating for his audience. The Republicans are worried about finding someone to stand on the stage.

The echo chamber is a lonely place, isn't it?

Nerm

Don't you worry your little mind. They will have a good candidate when it's time. And you will see a shellacking that will make Jimmy Carter look like a winner.

By the way, that is a reverb that Obama uses, not an echo.

Oh horrors.....not a building named for an evil bank!!!! The Great Inept One has really duped you sheep into believing his "banks caused all of our problems" crap, hasn't he? Why don't you save society by getting rid of all banks? Truly pathetic

As for a speech venue, perhaps they can rent the Karl Marx Building.

OK. George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Peter Lewis and now Bank of America.

Can you say hypocrite..........................I knew ya could!

@JH-307896 -- My little mind is comforted by the prospect of a 'good' Republican candidate. How many rocks did you look under to find one? Are the Republicans going with the 15% option?

Jimmy Carter was a winner - he won on his first attempt. How many retreads are the Republicans looking at? The biggest distinction between Jimmy Carter and the Republican candidates - Jimmy Carter was actually elected President.

Maybe you will be lucky - after all the Republicans Gerald Ford and George W. Bush are the only Presidents that were not elected ...

@Rick-312779 -- Yep, how dare the anti-business President have the support of some of the wealthiest people in America.

You know - if you invest wisely - you could become an Obama supporter, too ...

@spider-737231 -- The Great Inept One will not be there. This is the Democrat's convention. The Republicans have not selected the next 'worst President in History' yet ...

Lets be clear, the Stadium isn't owned by Bank of America, the only bought the naming rights. It is owned by the Carolinas Stadium Corp. It's privately financed and got about $40 million from the city for the land and $10 million from the county to relocate buildings. The Carolinas Stadium Corp. spent about $250 million on construction and sold naming rights to BOA for 20 years in exchange for about $140 million. Naming rights are simply paid for advertising.

feisty, must you defend everything that democrats do? It's a big deal because its more publicity for the company that your grassroots rally against. Remember the $5 a month atm fees? It's poorer people without credit who rely on debit cards. You ask where else can the host 74 thousand people? How about in any of the other cities they considered, mainly Cleveland. I'm sure Cleveland, a city on the decline for decades can use the tourism dollars. Get over yourself and at least try to be fair.

This article solely discusses Democrats complaining about the choice of venue and Werm has to make it partisan. What a D-bag!

@Unbelievable-3895315 -- And why else would an article like this be important? Of course it is partisan. It is really unbelievable that you did not get that ...

Did I interrupt the Obama bashing? Maybe someone could offer you a tissue ...

I do find it interesting that the President and his supporters rally around condemning success, wealth, all the while the President surrounds himself with Goldman Sachs finest, and now Bain Capital.

Now he is holding his event in the largest venue available so that he can raise obscene amounts of money, and because the venue has so many suites he can sell to the uber-rich.

It's cute how liberals act all huffy about greed, when their top guy surrounds himself with the greediest. Cute.

@Mr Amazing -- Amazing how the 'successful' always seem to attach themselves to a winner, isn't it?

Maybe, if you become 'successful' one day, you could be invited to one of these, too ...

Come on conservatives! You know you want to bash Obama. BofA paying for a sign is all you got?

The stadium is covered by the NFL Players Association - one of the most powerful unions in the United States. Union workers in a RTW state. Or are you ashamed that you cheer for union workers?

The Ericsson Stadium cost $248 million to construct in 1996. Ericsson paid $20 million for 10 year naming rights. The city of Charlotte and the county provided $50 million to purchase the land and relocate buildings. The stadium was government sponsored but built with private funding. The stadium likely would not have been built without that government sponsorship. Government can do 'good' things.

BofA paid $100 million for naming rights in 2004 (Tax cuts, anyone? How many jobs did this create?). The naming rights will expire in 2024. That's a lot of shareholder dividends.

Now, is Obama endorsing BofA - or - is Obama endorsing a powerful union in a government sponsored facility?

Finally, the stadium is the home of the Panthers. The MLK holiday was just last Monday. Come on Obama bashers, say it, you know you want to ...

Actually everyone, it's not a big deal.

I agree with the commentator that it is a bit amateurish for a sitting president's re-election committee, but otherwise, no big deal.

But what should be peeked at is the 1 mil packages being given to "lobbyists"????

No points to Democrats for choosing a venue with an unfortunate name, but options are probably limited. Charlotte Motor Speedway would work, but wouldn't give that "full" look, would have inferior visibility of spectators to the President, and the owner is strongly Conservative.

On the other hand, this does return attention to the Wizards of Wall Street who crashed the world economy in 2007 before being made whole by the Bush Administration while the rest of us continue to suffer. It probably also increases pressure on Democrats to continue pressing for reasonable regulation as opposed to the giant casino the financial industry has become under the failed deregulatory ideology of the Conservative Movement.

Nerm, The stadium is not Government funded. The construction cost was born solely by the Stadium owner Jerry Richardson, the same Jerry Richardson that beat the players Union in negotiations last year. The 40 million the city/county spent was in a land swap meaning they used the city/county money to buy the land and relocate some offices in exchange for land purchased by Jerry Richardson for about 60 million. They gave him a tax break for the 20 million overage.

The Panthers were also not named for the Black Panthers, rather the name was chosen by Jerry Richardson’s son who wanted something that matched the colors of the team, he is rumored to have started with Black Beauty but a team called the Carolina Stallions was shot down.

So as you can see you’re wrong about the stadium being Government funded, you’re wrong about support for the players union and you’re wrong about the name of the team. Incidentally you’re wrong about Obama he is the worst president that we have ever had. Heck the MSNBC has a story predicting another finical collapse worse than 2008…….on Obama’s watch. He has done nothing of substance and that is where we focus our attacks, not on his choice of venue for a speech. You may have noticed this story did not originate from the right; it originated here on NBC the most left wing network in the country. Have to wonder if you guys know when you are being played for the fools. A left leaning network runs a silly article about Obamas venue and all you can do is howl about how the right is attacking Obama…………only it’s not the right. This is much like the malarkey about “the right” saying people who opposed the war were not patriotic……only no one on the right ever said it.

The 1% in action again, good thing Mrs Obama's birthday dinner was not spoiled by the protesters last night. I mean really, they go to such ordinary resturants, the same places the 99% go on a weekly basis. I'm always looking to go spend a grand on a stake dinner for my birthday.

Hello, Hello, SHHHH I can't quite hear the Occupy movement. Oh I mean the Hippocrit movement!

I guess at least among themselves, the Democrats can re-name the place "Thieving B@st@rd Stadium!

"I'm always looking to go spend a grand on a stake dinner for my birthday."

If you could spell "steak", you might be able to afford it.

The problem - and I can say this from a marketing point of view - is that the BofA name/logo is going to be splashed all over the stadium and *that's* what the American sheeple will see. Unless the Democratic Convention Committee is able to manage some serious bunting to hide all of the nooks and crannies in which I'm sure BofA has managed to plaster their logo it's going to be staring viewers in the face everywhere they look and the visual connection between the bank and the convention/committee/President is going to be a no-brainer. Already bad enough that the name, itself, is now linked to the President and the convention but once you make that visual connection it's all over. Political salvation for BofA = $140; Ugly political/financial connection for the President = $36 million; Marketing coup of the century for a long-vilified bank = PRICELESS.

But the choice will enable the Charlotte Host Committee -- which is charged with raising the $36 million needed to pay for the convention -- to offer access to the stadium's plush skyboxes as part of a package deal of perks it has put together to entice wealthy donors and fundraisers.

Suzi Emmerling, a spokeswoman for the host committee, confirmed a Bloomberg report that those deals -- presented to Washington lobbyists last month -- include an escalating menu of packages starting with the $1 million "presidential" level. Those who buy in will receive a "premier uptown hotel room," a "platinum events package and "concierge services." Another $500,000 "Gold Rush" level includes hotel room, credentials and a "premiere events package."

AAAHH The Democrtic Party and Obama.... Always focused on the common man! What a joke! Maybe they have the have the same Olympian columns and pomp and circumstance from his last acceptance speech so they can herald in their Masiah Obama. This move is so obvious even the liberals on this blog can surely see thorugh the real Democratic concerns... MONEY and DONORS and power over the little people can just sit itn the cheap seats and bow and vote as directed!!

Feisty,

Actually This is the part that "comes as no big surprise":

Democratic officials have emphasized for months that this year's convention won’t accept money from lobbyists and corporations. "This year, we are setting a new standard for how conventions are funded. No longer will it be sponsored with money from corporations, special interests, lobbyists and political action committees," the host committee states on its website.

But those seemingly strict rules appear to have some loopholes. While the convention committee itself won't accept cash donations from corporations, it is taking "in kind" contributions from corporations, such as food, beverages, and equipment -- costs that can often add up into the millions.

A separate convention "Hospitality" committee -- operating under the name New American City Foundation -- is also directly accepting corporate and lobbyists' money to pay for the parties and other events that are often attended en masse by delegates, members of Congress and reporters.

In addition, the host committee itself is still accepting big donations of up to $100,000 a piece. "Nobody gets to rent a skybox for a million dollars," said Emmerling.

Funny how you always seem to miss the most important parts of an article.

Hey OWS, How do you like that the POTUS is kissing up to the 1%?

Feisty,

in chimes the serial liar.

Pretty funny when your post above and my clarification prove you can't identify serial liars even when the proof is right in front of your face!

I can't believe the number of people that are falling for the venue selection as a "mistake". It should come as no surprise that The Bummer should benefit from the use of the BofA stadium as a favor for bailing out the bank and execs. This is known as quid pro quo.

Nothing more than lip service by the administraton and the DNC.

If they're not accepting money from lobbyists, why did they present the "escalating menu" to DC lobbyists?

@ Spider and your thoughts on banks... you really don't see the scam that banks are do you? From your local bank to the investment banks, they are all a scam and since the Great Depression the idea of banking was foisted upon us to ensure the flow/control of our money.

Just think about it... you put your $ into a bank acct to be "safe", they then charge you "fees" to use your money, they then lend your $ back to you at a FAR greater interest rate than what they're "paying" you in your account, you continue to put your money into your acct and PAY them for the loan! Why would you do that? They should be paying you to use YOUR MONEY! The bank then also claims that the debt they generated using your money is actually money that they have and then lend out while continuing the scheme w/o having anything other than debt and your money.

Investment banks are Ponzi scheme, promise person A this return and that payment is made by getting money from person B (with another promise of return) to cover the debt owed to person A, all the while the fractionalization of the money hasn't created anything but the illusion of wealth.

Banks, the surest way to be enslaved.

No Surprise what so ever...must be a favor to his old buddy Buffett. After his billions poured into BOA he probably hopes this will give the company a bit more name recognition....

Do they really think they can find 74,000 people that will wish to hear him speak live in North Carolina. So how are these 74,000 people going to be able to afford to go to North Carolina....the answer is obvious...with their BOA line of credit.

I hear Obama pees standing up, how can he be so insenstive to women. I hear he even hugs his daughters from time to time, the pedophile. He and his wife have only two children, probably gets his orders from China. He dares to speak in English and not ebonics, no cultural tastes. He's even had veterans familes over to the White House , the war monger. Sound familiar, what do you do when you can't win for losing. You hold your head up high and get back on the horse and try again. Too bad his detractors can't knock his class as a President and a man, that's hard to do when you don't have any class yourself.

NC Thornton....seems, per the article, it is his own party that is none too happy about the venue. I suppose we could say there is an irony to this choice.

This is a huge blunder for the democrat party and Obama.

I don't really see how. Just because one calls banks to account for their misdeeds does not mean one wants to do away with banks. Seems more to me like everyone today is looking for the tiniest of things to be offended at.

Before this rolls off the board - yes, the venue does highlight how banks have infiltrated every aspect of our economy. BofA did not contribute anything to the stadium - they only bought marketing rights - and - their name will be the highlight of the show. Money buys speech after all ...

The other concern is, indeed, the skybox politics being used to pay for the show. Money buys access after all ...

The story is not about Obama or about the Democratic convention - the story is about how money and greed is a parasite on everything in our economy.

Our economy - our society - has become so infested by financial parasites that - no matter how good or bad a politician is - they cannot avoid the disease.

Government is not the problem. Politics is not the problem. Financial parasites and their disease of greed IS the problem.

The Obama bashing allows the parasites to hide their dirty little secrets. The Obama bashers are only spreading the disease ...

It should come as no surprise that The Bummer should benefit from the use of the BofA stadium as a favor for bailing out the bank and execs.

How does this event benefit GW Bush, the President who bailed out the banks and their execs?

Great points, Nerm_L. The important point most people fail to notice is that the proportion of total profits claimed by the financial sector reached an all time high just before the Great Recession. As with so many statistic the only near parallel is just before the Great Depression. The percentage of total profit absorbed in the financial sector ALWAYS peaks shortly before a recession in fact.

And that's the problem. Finance is supposed to provide needed funding for business and individuals, and in the bargain earn a reasonable profit. These extremely high levels of profit are literally parasitic in that businesses who actually PRODUCE or PROVIDE something other than simple access to capital are robbed of money needed to innovate and expand, as individuals are robbed of funds necessary to buy those goods and services.

There's a reason why every great society through history has had prohibitions on usery. Thanks to the Conservative Movement usery is no longer forbidden, but instead has become a respected business model.

Maybe Buffett can use his clout and get BOA to rename the stadium to "Obama" stadium and that will make everything right.....the several billion invested by Buffett should buy him some extraordinary perks.

Did you miss the key points of the article?

Actually I did close my BoA account and moved my money to a local credit union. I recommend to all that you vote with your feet against oligarchy in the financial sector.

The manager asked why I was closing my account. I told him I resented the fact that after my tax dollars bailed them out of crashing the economy the bank jacked up all my fees to pay it back, thus hitting me twice for the same carelessness.

After that he was very unfriendly and the rest of the transaction was extremely slow...

Absolutely agree, John B. We've refinanced our mortgage and closed all of our accounts with BofA because of their obvious corporate greed and corruption. Not only did they jack up all the fees but they also make a practice of pulling debits from checking accounts before crediting payments even though the payment is sitting there waiting to be processed for several days thereby running checking accounts to below the minimum or into the red so that they can charge enormous overdraft fees - something that Wells Fargo (who bought out our account at Wachovia) doesn't do.

Shaun

Please read the whole article as the important parts talk about

Democratic officials have emphasized for months that this year's convention won’t accept money from lobbyists and corporations.

Then goes on to expose them for the lying cheats they are.

But the choice will enable the Charlotte Host Committee -- which is charged with raising the $36 million needed to pay for the convention -- to offer access to the stadium's plush skyboxes as part of a package deal of perks it has put together to entice wealthy donors and fundraisers.

Suzi Emmerling, a spokeswoman for the host committee, confirmed a Bloomberg report that those deals -- presented to Washington lobbyists last month -- include an escalating menu of packages starting with the $1 million "presidential" level. Those who buy in will receive a "premier uptown hotel room," a "platinum events package and "concierge services." Another $500,000 "Gold Rush" level includes hotel room, credentials and a "premiere events package."

"This year, we are setting a new standard for how conventions are funded. No longer will it be sponsored with money from corporations, special interests, lobbyists and political action committees," the host committee states on its website.

But those seemingly strict rules appear to have some loopholes. While the convention committee itself won't accept cash donations from corporations, it is taking "in kind" contributions from corporations, such as food, beverages, and equipment -- costs that can often add up into the millions.

A separate convention "Hospitality" committee -- operating under the name New American City Foundation -- is also directly accepting corporate and lobbyists' money to pay for the parties and other events that are often attended en masse by delegates, members of Congress and reporters.

In addition, the host committee itself is still accepting big donations of up to $100,000 a piece. "Nobody gets to rent a skybox for a million dollars," said Emmerling.

Please forward the article to all your Ron Paul friends

Of all the posts, I like the one about Obama trying to get a place big enough to hold 74K people and the Republicans still being troubled with getting enough people to fll a stage. Can this be a sign of the coming Apocalypse. I know where there is an ex Catholic Church the Republicans can rent. No one can be against a church as a political presidential debate site unless they start talking about ex wives and dogs or taxes paid. Now that Romney has given us his tax percentage let's here it from all of the other candidates. And tell Paul he can't include what his son did.

Notice how Romney actually gave his tax % months before Obama AND Hillary disclosed theirs during the 2008 race. Oh you hypocritical dems! You are so fun to laugh at. This will be fun to watch all the empty seats at in Charlotte, just more images to show the people of this failed president in the coming campaign. (who am I kidding, he's been campaigning on the taxpayer dime for a year now, AND STILL NO BUDGET!) LOL!

Congress is in charge of the budget and I guarantee Your PRESIDENT, will fill that VENUE. Laugh at yourself.

Umm..are you talking about the Democratic-run Congress that had a supermajority during Obama's first several months that never passed a budget, or are you talking about the Democratic-run Congress that held all three facets ofpower until 2010...AND STILL NEVER PASSED A BUDGET. LOL. Sure, Obama might fill that venue, but only because he'll pay "fans" to show up. LOL. Nope, I'm still laughing at you...

Big difference. Candidates Clinton and Obama released their tax returns. Romney has made a vague statement that he paid "about 15%". It's a difference that even a lot of Republicans are commenting on.

Concerned about budgets, are you? Then it's time for Republicans to stop filibustering and otherwise obstructing the work of budgeting. For that matter maybe it's time for the House of Representatives to actually PRODUCE a budget. That work, after all, starts in the Republican-controlled House, not the White House.

No, the ONLY difference is that Romney has said that he will release his tax returns by April, which is the NORMAL time most candidates, candidates LIKE OBAMA AND CLINTON, release their tax returns!! As of RIGHT NOW, Romney has said he pays around 15%. He will release his taxes in April or May, at the same time CLINTON AND OBAMA RELEASED THEIRS in 2008. Soooo, what is the big difference??? Oh, right...there isnt any difference, just fake issues the Democrats attempt to create. No mention of Obama paying well under the normal tax rate either though, right (25%)? How about John Kerry, THE WEALTHIEST man TO EVER run for president? In 2003, the year before he ran for president, HE PAID 12%!!! AND NOT A PEEP FROM YOU HYPOCRITICAL DEMS! LOL.

Ahhh yes, the typical blame the Repubs who have controlled ONE ASPECT for ONE year of OBAMA's THREE YEARS in office. LOL!!!! And speaking of budgets and jobs bills from the house, why dont you go look in the Mormon Harry Reid's desk drawers. After all, the House has passed multiple bills with bipartisan support, only to have Reid simply state that they will never see the light of day in the Senate...won't even allow them to be debated. Thanks for the obstruction, dems. Still, its quite telling to see the dems blame repubs for their failure when they had a supermajority, then had full control of all three facets of government, and still control 2/3s of our government, but yet...continue to blame repubs for our nations ills...this after continually blaming Bush for our ills when Obama took office. JUST PATHETIC.

It's Republicans who are demanding the immediate release of Romney's tax records, not Democrats. That's OK, no reason to let facts cloud your ranting.

liberals believe we should be enraged at the mere mention of a Bank

No, Leona... going by TEA/GOP history, we believe you guys are enraged at the mention of President Obama. You have proved to us that anything that involves our President elicits YOUR wrath; and, as the headline says, it has....

Wish the "right" would just grow up!

Not as stupid,

Your anger is misdirected.

Since I am the one that said ........"The fact that the name of the stadium is "The Bank of America stadium" for Obama's convention should mean nothing at all"..........direct your anger at the Libbies who think Obama should change his venue, not me.

Wish " liberals " would just grow up ! lol

Well, I don't think it was a "rookie" mistake, considering the facts.

Remember OWS? Did you know they had a "major" rally today in D.C.? Took out a permit for 10,000, they did. Here's the result

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57360215/occupy-protesters-rally-at-capitol/

They got a couple hundred people to show up- most of whom have been camping out there anyway.

So, given the turn out of the anti banking folks, I guess they felt pretty safe renting out that venue.

The real problems going to be filling it. Get ready for really, really tight camera angles. Who wants to show all those empty seats.

Of course, the choice of this venue leaves them an "out", should it become clear that the joint will be empty.

They can say they folded in the face of adverse opinion.

Rookie mistake indeed.

No joe no bo:

Wanna bet the place is sold out, standing room only? Don't underestimate the support of the POTUS! 2012 will make 2008 look like a cake walk! Wait...2008 was a cake walk!

Who cares what the place is called anyway. Most of the sports stadiums are named after banks or businesses or corporations that pay for the right. I doubt that there are many other places with that capacity in Charlotte.

Uh, remember last year? There were all kinds of stories about venue changes- because they could not fill rooms when Obama was speaking.

So far this year, he is playing to full houses- in high schools, where the student body has no choice but to attend. My favorite was the video of the student body laughing at him when he told them "you inspire me".

So, no, I don't think they can fill the place without an awful lot of time, effort- and free plane tickets.

Here you go

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/05/students_laugh_at_obama_when_he_tells_them_you_inspire_me.html

So, if high schools are out, I guess preschools are next.

Real Clear Politics? Are you serious? They make Fox News seem liberal...

at least it is not at the staples stadium that would be very awkward indeed

SacredFire

2010 corrected the 2008 cake walk. 2012 will finish the job. no joe's right, President Obama will have a hard time filling the stadium. If he dumps Joe, 3 letter word "JOBS", Biden and gets Hillary maybe he can sell more tickets.

Wow the the article clearly says says its the Democrats that are mad at the choice of venue... yet the people above still reference the GOP/TEA"baggers" for always disagreeing with the POTUS...

HUH!?!? You did read the article and not just the headline right!? RIGHT!?

HAHA @ Not as stupid as yo uthink... I think you just might be ;) Anyone who needs spell check for their own moniker can't be taken too seriously I dont think

Obama should have booked a smaller venue to ensure all the seats are filled for the media coverage. A failed president won't fill up 74,000 seats. Maybe a school cafeteria would have been a more prudent choice.

I guess he could just pay the locals to attend and give them signs to wave to save face.

Leona:

Your anger is misdirected.

No anger Leona - simply stated facts

But, as usual, you seem to have missed the point (again!!)

Come on guys. They had to rent the stadium so Soros can sneak in the back entrance and get to his sky box without anyone knowing he was there for the festivities. The stage should be far enough fromteh crowd that does show up so Obama does not have to come down from on high and deal with the little people! Of course, Ed Shultz will be down in the peon section with all the Union Workers yelling "What about us?" HAHA

Notice how Feisty ALWAYS runs and hides when she is shown truth and objectivity. Feisty represents the pseudo-intellectual hate-mongers that exist on the left. Notice how she NEVER engages in ANY kind of substantive debate. Pathetic.

Nice ad hominem attack, r1...what facts and objectivity is Feisty avoiding?

LOL. Really??? Ummmm....John, maybe you should read through the thread again.

Feisty's silly, juvenile attacks are argued over and over by several different posters. They use facts, objectivity, solid arguments, and cite multiple sources as reference to bolster their arguments. Feisty simply randomly appears to call people liars AND DOES NOT ACTUALLY REFUTE OR BOLSTER A SINGLE FACT OR ARGUMENT!! NOT ONCE! Her initial comment on this thread has her calling people liars, and then her second comment on this thread, she simply calls another poster a liar. NOT ONCE DOES SHE EVEN ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE A LUCID, SOUND ARGUMENT. SHE JUST CALLS PEOPLE LIARS, because she is not intellectual enough to actually DEBATE ANYTHING. She is simply a pseudo-intellectual hateful liberal mouthpiece that spends her time on this message board, making sure she is the first to comment, BUT NEVER DO THOSE COMMENTS EVER INVOLVE ANY SUBSTANCE. JUST HATEFUL RHETORIC. LOL!!! Which is why I pointed this out. Prove me wrong, using Feisty's comments, FROM THIS THREAD, that show I am wrong. I'm waiting...

(crickets chirping) LOL!

LOL!! Yep, exactly what I thought John. Next time, don't waste my time having to point out yours and Feisty's complete failure. I love it.

I KNEW you wouldn't respond...because YOU COULDN'T...because I spoke the truth. Ouch, eh?

LOL. Another one bites the dust...

I've pointed out to you before that I don't post during working hours.

And you've merely doubled down on your ad hominem attacks and added me to them instead of answering the question. What facts and objectivity is Feisty avoiding?

I know specifics aren't your strong suit, but do try.

John, why is it that you NEVER actually read anything? This shows your desperation. You and I both know that there are many posts above (as I've already stated) that do exactly what I say. You are intentionally acting like they do not exist(lying). Are you telling me that you actually re-read through all the posts above (like I did, twice) and yet, you NEVER saw ANYONE attempt to debate Feisty using an actual substantive argument and quoting sources? So you are willingly choosing to lie about posts that you and I can both read, that are listed above???? You are actually going to make me cut and paste them. You are soooo lame and childish when you see that I am right, eh? Just pretend they don't exist, right? LOL!! Sounds about right!

Notice how I stated in my original posts that Feisty NEVER responds to anything with an actual argument (other than insults). Here let me show you what YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY LYING ABOUT NOT SEEING. LOL. Fiesty's very first pos, referring to the articles' title:

"This should come to a surprise to anyone?

Where else in NC can they accommodate 74K people?

Why, it was only yesterday, the serial liar from NJ was ranting about hockey being played there!

Bring on the tired Greek columns reference in 3...2..1..."

So, you see, she merely makes a sarcastic comment about the size of venues NC can provide, and then goes on to spend two out of her four sentences calling out another poster, calling that poster a liar (who hasn't even posted on this thread at this point), and then daring the poster to engage..."bring on the tired...----So, as usual, my point is proven. But, let's continue.

Slightright

"feisty, must you defend everything that democrats do? It's a big deal because its more publicity for the company that your grassroots rally against. Remember the $5 a month atm fees? It's poorer people without credit who rely on debit cards. You ask where else can the host 74 thousand people? How about in any of the other cities they considered, mainly Cleveland. I'm sure Cleveland, a city on the decline for decades can use the tourism dollars. Get over yourself and at least try to be fair."

96ws6

Feisty,
Actually This is the part that "comes as no big surprise":

Democratic officials have emphasized for months that this year's convention won’t accept money from lobbyists and corporations. "This year, we are setting a new standard for how conventions are funded. No longer will it be sponsored with money from corporations, special interests, lobbyists and political action committees," the host committee states on its website.
But those seemingly strict rules appear to have some loopholes. While the convention committee itself won't accept cash donations from corporations, it is taking "in kind" contributions from corporations, such as food, beverages, and equipment -- costs that can often add up into the millions.
A separate convention "Hospitality" committee -- operating under the name New American City Foundation -- is also directly accepting corporate and lobbyists' money to pay for the parties and other events that are often attended en masse by delegates, members of Congress and reporters.
In addition, the host committee itself is still accepting big donations of up to $100,000 a piece. "Nobody gets to rent a skybox for a million dollars," said Emmerling.

Funny how you always seem to miss the most important parts of an article."

---Notice how Fiesty doesnt actually respond to either of these comments from two different posters. There must have been too much thought and substantive argument involved, so she just pretended they didnt exist. LOL. Theres more: This comment did illicit a response from Feisty, its a good one.

no joe, no bo, nj

"Well, I don't think it was a "rookie" mistake, considering the facts.

Remember OWS? Did you know they had a "major" rally today in D.C.? Took out a permit for 10,000, they did. Here's the result. They got a couple hundred people to show up- most of whom have been camping out there anyway.

So, given the turn out of the anti banking folks, I guess they felt pretty safe renting out that venue.

The real problems going to be filling it. Get ready for really, really tight camera angles. Who wants to show all those empty seats.

Of course, the choice of this venue leaves them an "out", should it become clear that the joint will be empty.

They can say they folded in the face of adverse opinion.

Rookie mistake indeed."

To which our wonderful, intellectual Feisty responds:

"Ahhh - in chimes the serial liar...

Hey Donna tell us again about hockey being played there?"

See what I'm talking about there Johnny??? LOL!! No argument, no debate, no attempt at actually providing points and counter-points...JUST NAME CALLING...JUST CALLING SOMEONE A LIAR. Those are the ONLY TWO POSTS FROM FEISTY IN THIS THREAD. AND SHE DOES NOT ENGAGE IN AN ACTUAL DEBATE OR DISCUSSION AT ALL. IN HER ONLY TWO POSTS, SHE ONLY CALLS OTHER POSTERS LIARS. THATS IT!!!! AND THAT WAS MY POINT IN MY VERY FIRST POST. Yet, you choose to play games and act like none of that existed? WOW.

Have a headache now John? Yeah, I would too. Again, stop playing your silly games. You and I both know Feisty is nothing but a mouthpiece and makes your political party look bad. Your ideology simply won't let you admit it. Heck, at least YOU attempt to debate and provide counter-points...

Your pathological hatred for any opinion other than that of the radical right is clouding your objectivity. The point is valid...where else IN CHARLOTTE, where the DNC decided to hold their convention, will they find a venue for 74,000? It doesn't matter if there's an appropriate venue in Cleveland, or any other city.

Secondly, BoA isn't sponsoring the convention, or the event. They bought the naming rights to the only venue in town capable of hosting it, LONG before the event was booked.

Thirdly, insistence on the part of Conservatives that the Democrats try to campaign using garage sale money while Republicans utilize the full power of bribery granted by the corrupt Conservative wing of the Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision is disingenuous and ridiculous. Remember, rules mean nothing to cheaters (like those who had 100 years of campaign finance law overturned by the court.) For such rules only exist to impede the success of others.

Finally, Donna from Lincroft is a liar. She proves that daily. Feisty only stated what's obvious to all the regulars here.

As usual John, you fail, completely. Your deflective tactics are duly noted. YOU are making an argument, but that was never the point. I called out Feisty, you defended her and told me to "prove it", then I completely prove it with all the posts from this thread, and then you barely acknowledge that. HAHAHA! You dems are HILARIOUS. Thanks for your very obvious concession. (oh, and 100 years of precedence in the Supreme Court means absolutely nothing, they are not bound by precedence, just look at Heller v. Washington, DC, from 2008 in which the Supreme Court did the same thing, so quit crying)

I answered your questions, you don't like the answers. That's not my problem.

Again, your intellectual concession is noted (thank you). Back to your parents' basement now.

It's not a concession, it's a disagreement. I realize the authoritarian streak that runs deep in the Conservative movement won't allow you to accept that, but that's something else which is your problem, not mine.

It is a concession, John. When you refuse to debate facts or even provide couter-arguments, instead complaining about owners of news sources and whining about sources, you concede the argument immediately. This is always a victory sign when arguing with liberals such as yourself. When they stop debating facts and start using deflective tactics to get away from the real argument, you always know you've won. Thanks again, John!

Where is a refusal to debate facts or provide counter arguments, where is a complaint about the ownership of news sources in the following;

Your pathological hatred for any opinion other than that of the radical right is clouding your objectivity. The point is valid...where else IN CHARLOTTE, where the DNC decided to hold their convention, will they find a venue for 74,000? It doesn't matter if there's an appropriate venue in Cleveland, or any other city.

Secondly, BoA isn't sponsoring the convention, or the event. They bought the naming rights to the only venue in town capable of hosting it, LONG before the event was booked.

Thirdly, insistence on the part of Conservatives that the Democrats try to campaign using garage sale money while Republicans utilize the full power of bribery granted by the corrupt Conservative wing of the Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision is disingenuous and ridiculous. Remember, rules mean nothing to cheaters (like those who had 100 years of campaign finance law overturned by the court.) For such rules only exist to impede the success of others.

Finally, Donna from Lincroft is a liar. She proves that daily. Feisty only stated what's obvious to all the regulars here.

Oh look, you're just posturing. Say hi to everyone over at the Ministry of Propaganda.

again john,

you do not debate the point of this thread. you call me out over feisty, i show you several of her posts and posters who commented to her, and i show how she never debates anything, just insults and calls people liars (like you). you called me out over feisty, i proved you were wrong, and then you go and attempt to debate the article, while ignoring the feisty issue you called me out on in the first place!!! lol!!! you libs are nuts!! nice try john, but, as usual, you fail. (I dont blame you for not trying to argue the facts of Feisty, since you cant, which is your concession that I was right all along). Thanks John!

Your explanation makes way too much sense for this forum.

Your'e right, by then it could be called Solyndra Stadium. Oh, wait, that was another one of Obama's failed business ventures.

You have a valid point. Only the 1% has the funds and the connections to have public venues constructed largely with public monies named after their enterprises. Look at the new home of The Magic here in Orlando now called 'The Amway Arena'. There is no alternate venue in Charlotte that is as large that would work.

NASCAR fans will turn out in droves to see the Obamas.

Charlotte is probably just like Daytona Beach: the folks who go to the Speedway are largely NOT from the local area, they all come here just for NASCAR.

My thoughts after reading the title of this article was that it would become the 'George Soros' Stadium before the Obama's arrive.

I wish the democrat party was built of non-union labor...

too bad there is no "democrat party."

Actually, you are way behind in the news. Back when Charlotte was announced as the convention site there was a big brouhaha about it.

Thanks for letting us know that, phinephancy.

And look...thread 7 and already the stadium name nontroversey has failed so another is already replacing it.

Right, it is liberal, subjective MSNBC that is WAAAY behind the news (as usual).

Thanks phinephancy.

But you don't deny that these are phony issues. Instead you merely attack the source, a common Conservative tactic.

Why is it phony to bring up the fact that Obama took more campaign donations from wall street than any candidate, then helped bail out wall street, then hypocritically backs the OWS movement, and now is having his convention in a stadium named for one of the biggest wall street companies in the world???? LOL. Especially when skyboxes are being rented for over 1million dollars and millions of dollars in perks from some of these companies will be disseminated during the convention...but Obama wont take any WS money. RIIIIIIIGHT. LOL. Put your head in the sand and pretend the truth doesn't exist, another Democrat tactic.

“2012 will be another year that's a grind in the economy,” Moynihan said at an economic outlook conference in the bank’s hometown of Charlotte, N.C., this week, Bloomberg Businessweek reports. “Never have middle-market and large companies been as profitable, had as much cash on their balance sheet, had as much availability on their lines, but they haven't done anything with the money. They don't feel the certainty of opportunity to make big investments.”

Moynihan cites weak economic growth and the worry over the European debt crisis spreading through the globe as the big concerns facing the economy.

Moynihan's comments followed an economic report last week from Bank of America Bank of America Latest from The Business Journals Bank of America posts .6 billion Q4 incomeDaymark modifies loan for NetPark Technology CenterMenino kicks-off Gardner Museum’s opening Follow this company researchers that projected the U.S. economy will slow to 1 percent growth by the fourth quarter of 2012 as Europe enters recession, Bloomberg Businessweek reports.

Bank of America (NYSE: BAC) is the largest bank in Northeast Florida, with $22 billion in local deposits for a market share of 47 percent and 37 branches.

Bank of America CEO predicts tough economy in 2012 ...

Maybe the above is a basis for the Liberals objecting to use of a venue with BoA's name attached.

Does this sound like a problem for Obama? Does it sound like the BoA name/venue sponsorship has anything whatsoever to do with the choice of venue? Does your argument have any degree of relativity to the subject? Does the fact that contributions are always largest to the expected winner, especially for the President of The United States of America offer a clue to your inquiry, Roanoke1?

Let's remember this after President Obama gets reelected in 2012 (or not) to see if this remains true. Both Parties have been and will continue to suck from the Teat of Wall Street, and K Street proves it.

Follow ALL the money.

Then dont be a hypocritical president and pretend that you are not in bed with Wall Street. Do you not remember Hope and Change? We were promised that things would run differently, not the same old tired ways of the past. I guess that was just one of many campaign lies used to get elected by Obama and the Dems. As for BOA and Charlotte, one would simply expect more tact from Obama considering his stance on Wall Street recent stances on Wall Street. Dont lie to the people about your stances on Wall Street, but then happily take the money that Wall Street gives you. We were not promised hypocrisy.

As for the assumed re-election of Obama...check out the newest CBS poll that just came out this week, that has Romney winning by two percentage points if the election were held today. Ouch.

You are not being unreasonable in your anger, but do you see the deeper and more damaging hypocrisy and lies from the Right? ALL of the Professional Politicians are Hypocrites, and Lying is a matter of how well you look while doing it. I have written for others to note Obama's many broken Promises of transparency, closing GITMO, leaving Afghanistan/Iraq, taking credit for our leaving Iraq when it was the Iraqis telling us to get the Fu@k out, etc., but I have only been further convinced of the fact that every President is a Puppet being controlled/given leash by the Puppetmasters holding the strings, and has been since Ike left and they killed Kennedy. Call em the Military Industrial Complex, WTO, Big Banks/FED, Illuminate...it is bigger than all of us!!! ;-) I just believe that Obama is the best Republican running.

The end results are that we continue to shift the entire paradigm further and further to the Neo Right and destroy ourselves from within.

Been thru Franklin County lately? Moonshine County, USA!! I have relatives in Salem, Roanoke, Callaway, etc.

Peace

Peace

It was the Bush administration that bailed out the banks...not that you'll let facts slow you down.

Every President of either party has given an acceptance speech even if unopposed, and you know it.

Yes and I know how silly things can be.

Age old things, like giving holidays for dead presidents etc.

Used to be a tradition was prayer in schools, (but hey, who needs it right?)

Things CAN change, and for the better.

If he is NOT opposed, have him carry his teleprompter ass on TV and wave hi.

You can still pray in school wingnut, you just can't force anyone else to follow your superstitions. And, bambina, I didn't know that Mercedes was a financial institute. "Mercedes Super Dome."

Viewer Ready_: Do repukes practice being ignorant or is it just a ideological trait?

More often than not, an ideological trait. Only Fox News answers from most of my friends/coworkers that are Republican/Tea Party when issues are discussed. Or an insult about Nancy(and that they'd "do" Palin...).

My guess is that we that vote Democrat are still ideologically hoping for a real change as opposed to a certain and steady shift to the Right and then comparing it to the New Right as if we were still Left...

And BoA, the bastards, are only paying for the name of the venue, so this is just stupid in that perception will allow the argument to fester. Besides not having one, what other NC options are better or more feasible?

true.

give you a vote for that one toasty.

Toasty, glad to see you are coming back to reality, I did not like them collapsing your post in another post, I read posts much more ignorant than what you said. I mean that in a nice way lol...I still want to know though if I had the correct vision of what you look like in my mind. I am curious where the girl thing came from.

I am too. And no, your visualization wasn't very accurate.

Rudy

He hasn't proven a damn thing to most of us, except his ineptness at most things he tries. He had to bribe members of the Senate to get his signature health bill passed. I want the Republicans to fight him at every level, that's why I vote for them. If you are not happy with that I don't care. I love it when I see democrats going after him. He is losing voters from every different group. Look at the polls. It's a wonderful thing isn't it?

JH - You want the Republicans to fight him (Obama) at every level??? I want the Republicans to fight to find a way to help THE PEOPLE of this country get out of the mess that the Republicans and the banks got us into.

What Obama has "accomplished":

1. Poverty Rate: 14.3% from 8.3%,

2. Unemployment Rate: actual: 15,6%, up 347%

3. Average Weeks Unemployed: 40.3 up 102.5%,

4. Median Income: $44,445 down 10%,

5. Health Insurance Premiums: $15,073 up 18.9%,

6. Number employed: 139,627,000 down 13%,

7. Inflation Rate: 3.77% up 188%, but it is really much more.

8. Food Stamp Usage: 45.2 Million up 41.7%,

9. Average Price of a Gallon of Gas: $3.66 up 101.1%,

10. Average Home Value: $171,900, down 47%,

11. National Debt: $16 trillion up 350%

Obama has run this country into the ground. He is the president of NO: No jobs, no affordable health care, no money, no hope, no clue

And this all started the day he became president? No complicity from 6 years of complete control of all 3 branches of government by the GOP during which spending and borrowing skyrocketed and 2 wars where being payed for off budget? I'll have some of whatever you are taking. Must be some buttkicking stuff.

Oh please!!! Is there nothing that can't be made into something to complain about??! Let's move on to more important issues. I see your point but let's fight about something else!

Try to find a stadium that doesn;t have a corporate sponsor.

Yep, if you could fix stupid, we would not see so many Obama supporters around anymore.

(and I know the chickens will collapse it,, but it was fun while it lasted)

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dang jock, you right !

Maybe he can find a Solyndra stadium to give his speech...

Maybe he can use the Oval Office.

He rarely ever uses it anyway.

Jock...

Yankee Stadium?

You can't fix stupid but you can use it to youir advantage. Right Rush, Hannity, Oliver, Ron, Sarah,Donald,Newt,Carl,etc?

Wrigley Field, Fenway Park.

You're right, keck. Can't fix stupid; even with duct tape

Football Stadiums have the capacity to hold many more people. Soldier Field in Chicago would be an excellent venue, but then those looking to bark would say he is being a Chicago Mobster, or point out that even Soldier Field has many Stadium Partners, so he must be in bed with them...

You're right, keck. Can't fix stupid; even with duct tape

True, very true. The President has to spend his Billion Dollar$ in PAC/Campaign money somewhere...

Personally, I'd be most impressed if it was given towards buying a huge area surrounding the Everglades, growing the National Park, and rehabitating the environment...

Call me a dreamer.

why ?

did they take money from bank of america too ?

Long as He wears a rubber I don't think He'll catch anything. The President is one tough Guy.

What president?

ohh...

the President of the U.S. Viewer.

You wish.....

To demonstrate you lack of brains, go check to see how many ballots the Prez got in North Carolina circa 2008....

Now that you found that number....compare it to the stadiums capacity....and then, after you take some more RED KOOL-AID, bang your head against the wall some more.

How many ballots were rigged?

@Viewer_Ready:

The usual wingnut premise...."widespread vote rigging", "widespread voter fraud".

Your comment is specious....once again, go check out the number of ballots Obama received in 2008 from North Carolina voters...OVER ONE MILLION.

What a joke your statement is....somewhat like your TeaPublican "presidential" candidates.

Viewer..Ready#16.3: Count all your fingers and toes, and dammit!, don't forget to count the one you're counting with. Now, write that sum down then subtract that same amount from your sum. Whatever you have left is the amount of rigged NC ballots. Glad to help. Glad to help.

I know first hand that there was voter fraud in Hamilton County Ohio. Someone did a change of address with my name and tried to vote as me. Also I received several pieces of mail after the election addressed to 4 different people from the board of elections to my home. Illegal but.... I opened the last one received and it stated that there was a problem because the name used to vote didn't match the SS# provided. So if I have first hand knowledge of 5 illegal votes then there must be 1000's more in my county alone.

I see that you flunked Logic in school.

I'll bet the yes we can Pitch is not in use!

just think how downcast and disappointed the media outlets will be if obama loses the election ,compared to the party if he wins.it is bias plain and simple,i like to listen to all points o f view on most issues,but on this issue i will just say talk to the hand.

must.....distract....from...damaging..news ....story....

.

Hey....look over there !

SQUIRREL!!!

Yawn!

oh...you aint seen nothing yet jock, LOL

Yes, I'm sure he hate will flow. And their are now billions of dollars to spread it.

true that.

You are intentionally missing the point. First the criticism is from his own party. Second, BofA is the poster child of evil for the democrats. Just about any other name would not mean as much, although we know the democrats think all businesses are purposely abusing their employees and deserve to be punished. It gets said over and over again on this forum. We hear you.

"there"

...but whatever.

"their" is correct.

...just sayin'.

are you speaking "yoda" ?

...speak not "yoda" you must , hmmm ?

I think you are were a Palin fan. SNL would like you to come on the show and see if you can tell the difference between she and Tina Fey in a guest appearance. Think your from Texas and support the governor from there what is his name maybe go to the ranch he used to have. He and Cheney go hunting there

love SNL, love tina fey (her career was built by palin)

maybe you can go hunting with dick.....he would love to shoot with you.

(super x is a brand name of ammo...but you knew this right ?)

Built BY Palin, no way! Built by Tina, BECAUSE of Palins idiocy!!!

Way.

Keck,

Is it true that you were once a stunt double for De Nero???

nein, gustaf marlow...but i work at cricket mobile now.

....hard times, yes ?

This is for the Democratic Party Convention. Party nomination and acceptance speech-get it? sheesh.

Dear Skeptical Voter,

Have you even considered that we might be extending your misery for another 4 years? Based on the performance of the Republican House since the 2010 election and on the Clown Car Demolition Derby/Circular Firing Squad, aka the GOP nomination process, I expect the President to get even more than the 59M record number of votes he received in 2008.

Is that number with or without the massive Democrat voter fraud??

What massive voter fraud?

Allegations of widespread voter fraud, however, often prove greatly exaggerated. It is easy to grab headlines with a lurid claim ("Tens of thousands may be voting illegally!"); the follow-up - when any exists - is not usually deemed newsworthy. Yet on closer examination, many of the claims of voter fraud amount to a great deal of smoke without much fire. The allegations simply do not pan out.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/truthaboutvoterfraud/

Driftwood1 Tribute Band approved massive voter fraud, methinks!

John, just the facts buddy. Your silly litte article doesnt hold much water when compared with the below information. But, I'm not surprised! LOL. Even with all the resignations, admissions, and guilty pleas, I'm sure you guys will just deny any of this ever happened. LOL!!! I love it.

"The chairman of the Indiana Democratic Party announced his resignation Monday, as investigators probe allegations of election fraud stemming from the 2008 Democratic presidential primary. Dan Parker, who served for seven years, did not cite the scandal as a reason for his decision. But the uproar over possible fraud in a race for the White House has already claimed the job of one county Democratic Chairman, who sources say was forced out because of the allegations. Numerous signatures on petitions that placed
then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the party's primary ballot were allegedly forged and then certified by the St. Joseph County Voter Registration Office in South Bend. St. Joseph County Prosecutor Mike Dvorak has launched an investigation."

"The alleged forgeries have raised the question whether the Obama campaign actually filed the necessary number of signatures, 500 from the county, to get on the state's primary ballot. The 534 signatures that were certified to place Obama's name in contention, were never challenged. 704 signatures were certified for Clinton, according to state elections officials. An estimated 150 of the signatures on both petitions may be fakes, leaving open the possibility that, in at least President Obama's case, the number of legal signatures that were required to get on the ballot was not reached."

"In South Bend, St. Joseph County Prosecutor Mike Dvorak is investigating allegations that numerous names and signatures on the 2008 Democratic presidential primary petitions were fakes. In fact, so many signatures are said to have been forged, that there are questions as to whether the President's campaign even had enough legal signatures to have qualified for the ballot."

"A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.The latest guilty pleas expose the ease with which political insiders can apparently manipulate the electoral system and throw an election their way, by the forging of signatures of unsuspecting voters that are then cast as real votes. The phrase they use is: 'making sure they vote the right way,'" said a source close to the case, which is unfolding in Troy, N.Y.

"Former Troy Democratic City Clerk William McInerney, Democratic Councilman John Brown, and
Democratic political operatives Anthony Renna and Anthony DeFiglio have entered guilty pleas in the case, in which numerous signatures were allegedly forged on absentee ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary, the political party that was associated with the now-defunct community group, ACORN."

"In November 2009, Democratic operative Anthony DeFiglio told New York State police investigators that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election. "This is an on-going scheme and it occurs on both sides of the aisle," he toldpolice. "The people who are targeted live in low-income housing and thereis a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions."

Haha!! Nope, of course not. Your article says these claims are "greatly exaggerated" and "lurid claims." Just more name calling when you got caught is all that is, and it's fun to watch. John quotes articles that argue the same way he does. "Just call them liars and exaggerators when we get caught red-handed." LOL!

My source is a respected and accredited law school, the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

What's your source? That information seems to be missing...as usual.

HAHA!!! I KNEW YOU WOULD DEFLECT BY ASKING WHERE MY SOURCE IS!! Again, I GUESS I JUST MADE IT ALL UP THERE JOHNNY, YA BIG LOSER. I already stated above that I KNEW YOU WOULD JUST DENY any of that ever happened, from the guilty pleas, to the resignations, to the felony charges etc etc. I just made it all up. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! I know when I get responses like yours that I won the argument, because you cant actually argue what I posted, because you know its true, so you revert to acting like a child and claiming "wheres your sources." I know you follow the news John and I know you saw these Democrat voter fraud stories. You are just back to your same old silly games, because you got backed into a corner with facts. LOL!!!! (oh, and the newsvine disallows me to post links for whatever reason. Maybe its a membership issue or something. This has happened many times, I post the links, but then they disappear when I click 'post.' Not sure what the deal is with that). Either way, this is not a valid excuse for you to merely pretend that none of the above ever happened. You just show your desperation and ignorance when you whine about sources, while continuing to actually debate the points. LOL!!!!

No, I asked because I already KNOW where your lie originated. It came from the Daily Caller. http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/video-nh-poll-workers-shown-handing-out-ballots-in-dead-peoples-names/#ixzz1jBa819My

The Daily Caller is was founded by Conservative "journalist" Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, a former aide to Dick Cheney. It's become one of the most pervasive spreaders of Conservative lies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller

So who should we trust, an academic study by a respected law school, or a lie-filled hate piece by discredited pretend-reporter James O'Keefe?

You already know the answer to that...it's why you routinely refuse to disclose sources.

John, as usual, you continue to ignore the facts. It is sad that there are people out there like you. You can google these exact cases yourself. You can type in the names of all the guilty parties in the above posts I've provided and see for yourself that I am speaking the truth. You know what I said is the truth, which I why you continue to deflect and not actually argue ANYTHING. So you called me a liar. I noticed how YOU DIDNT ACTUALLY REFUTE ONE SINGLE THING THAT I SAID. LOL. YOU ARE JUST LIKE FEISTY! YOU are denying that these democrats were arrested, that they pled GUILTY, that any of this happened. LOL. HAHAHAH. You really do your political party a disservice.

Again, these are the facts: "Former Troy Democratic City Clerk William McInerney, Democratic Councilman John Brown, and Democratic political operatives Anthony Renna and Anthony DeFiglio have entered guilty pleas in the case, in which numerous signatures were allegedly forged on absentee ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary, the political party that was associated with the now-defunct community group, ACORN." ----SHOW ME WHERE I AM LYING JOHNNY BOY. SHOW ME. WHERE IS THE LIE IN THIS STATEMENT OR ANY OF THE OTHER STATEMENTS I PROVIDED? LOL. I love this, its like you are trying to continue setting yourself up for me to slam! But your inability to actually debate, or even attempt to refute anything is telling. You cant really, because everything I said is true. Which is why you dont actually talk about the issues, you just call people liars. Just like Feisty. See? I've outed you liberal pseudo-intellectuals and shown you for what you really are...just mouthpieces.

From a link within your own link source, as supplied by John, to the Boston Herald account, Roanoke1.

MANCHESTER, N.H. — A mystery man trying to vote in the New Hampshire primary using a dead man’s name got caught by an eagle-eyed voting supervisor in Manchester, then disappeared before police could corral him.

“We take a lot of pride in this primary,” Gloria Pilotte, the Ward 9 supervisor who stopped the voter fraud, told the Herald. “I’m very confident about the way we do this in New Hampshire.”

The unknown man, dressed in a suit and tie, did not say why he was trying to vote as the recently deceased person and would not identify any group he was representing.

“He said ‘You’ll soon find out,’ ” Pilotte tells the Herald.

In past primaries, some candidates or groups have tried to challenge the results or demand recounts based on claims of voting irregularities.

The man, who admitted being from Texas, almost got away with the fraud. He came in to the polling place in a community center and gave election officials the name of a man who was still on the voter list. Voters here don’t have to present any ID to vote if they are registered.

This is about one man. That's it, and he did not get away with it.

Let's look at one of the more amusing moments from the career of James O'Keefe, your source;

A conservative activist known for making undercover videos plotted to embarrass a CNN correspondent by recording a meeting on hidden cameras aboard a floating "palace of pleasure" and making sexually suggestive comments, e-mails and a planning document show.

James O'Keefe, best known for hitting the community organizing group ACORN with an undercover video sting, hoped to get CNN Investigative Correspondent Abbie Boudreau onto a boat filled with sexually explicit props and then record the session, those documents show.

The plan apparently was thwarted after Boudreau was warned minutes before it was supposed to happen.

"I never intended to become part of the story," Boudreau said. "But things suddenly took a very strange turn."

O'Keefe is best known for making a series of undercover videos inside ACORN offices around the country in 2009. The 40-year-old liberal group was crippled by scandal after O'Keefe and fellow activist Hannah Giles allegedly solicited advice from ACORN workers on setting up a brothel and evading taxes.

The videos led to some of the employees being fired and contributed to the disbanding of ACORN, which advocated for low- and middle-income and worked to register voters.

But prosecutors in New York and California eventually found no evidence of wrongdoing by the group, and the California probe found the videos had been heavily and selectively edited.

O'Keefe's next big splash ended with his arrest after he taped associates entering Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu's office in New Orleans posing as telephone repairmen. He ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor charge of entering a federal office under false pretenses and is now on probation.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-29/us/okeefe.cnn.prank_1_hannah-giles-undercover-videos-james-o-keefe?_s=PM:US

Notsojingo,

No, you are wrong. Notice how you CONTINUE to ignore all the other names and persons named in the reports I listed. These reports are NOT about one man. They are about many of them! Here, let me help you read what I already posted before. Remember, I made a comment about voter fraud, and John acted as if I'd lied, responding to my comment with "what massive voter fraud?". So this was my response:

"The chairman of the Indiana Democratic Party announced his resignation Monday, as investigators probe allegations of election fraud stemming from the 2008 Democratic presidential primary. Dan Parker, who served for seven years, did not cite the scandal as a reason for his decision. But the uproar over possible fraud in a race for the White House has already claimed the job of one county Democratic Chairman, who sources say was forced out because of the allegations. Numerous signatures on petitions that placed
then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the party's primary ballot were allegedly forged and then certified by the St. Joseph County Voter Registration Office in South Bend. St. Joseph County Prosecutor Mike Dvorak has launched an investigation."

"The alleged forgeries have raised the question whether the Obama campaign actually filed the necessary number of signatures, 500 from the county, to get on the state's primary ballot. The 534 signatures that were certified to place Obama's name in contention, were never challenged. 704 signatures were certified for Clinton, according to state elections officials. An estimated 150 of the signatures on both petitions may be fakes, leaving open the possibility that, in at least President Obama's case, the number of legal signatures that were required to get on the ballot was not reached."

"In South Bend, St. Joseph County Prosecutor Mike Dvorak is investigating allegations that numerous names and signatures on the 2008 Democratic presidential primary petitions were fakes. In fact, so many signatures are said to have been forged, that there are questions as to whether the President's campaign even had enough legal signatures to have qualified for the ballot."

----So, you see, the only specific name listed is the head of Indiana's DNC, and disputes the resignation. Still, this does NOT excuse the fact that there is an ongoing investigation HAVING TO DEAL WITH HUNDREDS OF FORGED NAMES AND SIGNATURES IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN THE STATE OF INDIANA. Remember, John pretended this didnt exist, I just provided the information that ANYONE CAN FIND ON THE WEB IN 10 seconds. John continues to pretend that none of this happened, even though IT IS PUBLIC RECORD and WE CAN ALL FIND INFORMATION ABOUT IT FROM SEVERAL SOURCES. JOHN DOES NOT LIVE IN REALITY. LOOK AT HOW HE DOES NOT DISPUTE ANYTHING, HE CONTINUES TO ATTEMPT TO KILL THE MESSENGER, THE SOURCE, AS IF THAT MEANS NONE OF THIS WERE TRUE.

That was Indiana, lets go to New York, because, again, John acted as if there was never any voter fraud:

"A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.The latest guilty pleas expose the ease with which political insiders can apparently manipulate the electoral system and throw an election their way, by the forging of signatures of unsuspecting voters that are then cast as real votes. The phrase they use is: 'making sure they vote the right way,'" said a source close to the case, which is unfolding in Troy, N.Y.

"Former Troy Democratic City Clerk William McInerney, Democratic Councilman John Brown, and Democratic political operatives Anthony Renna and Anthony DeFiglio have entered guilty pleas in the case, in which numerous signatures were allegedly forged on absentee ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary, the political party that was associated with the now-defunct community group, ACORN."

"In November 2009, Democratic operative Anthony DeFiglio told New York State police investigators that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election. "This is an on-going scheme and it occurs on both sides of the aisle," he toldpolice. "The people who are targeted live in low-income housing and thereis a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions."

So, again notso, I am not sure where you get that any of this was about one man. There is at least one man in Indiana, but hundreds of fraudulent signatures dont occur by one man, and more names will come out as the investigation furthers. Indiana was a big one. Then, in New York, Former Troy Democratic City Clerk William McInerney, Democratic Councilman John Brown, and Democratic political operatives Anthony Renna and Anthony DeFiglio. Four different men in New York alone ALL PLED GUILTY. So far we just know about Indiana and New York. My point was to expose John for the liar and pseudo-intellectual that he is.

NOTICE HOW JOHN DOES NOT ACTUALLY DISPUTE ANYTHING THAT I POSTED. HE MERELY ARGUES THE BACKGROUND OF ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE SOURCES I USED. HOW DESPERATE AND PATHETIC AND DEFLECTING IS THAT? BECAUSE O'KEEFE HAS A PAST THAT JOHN DISAPPROVES OF, DOES THAT MEAN THAT NONE OF THIS HAPPENED IN INDIANA??? NOPE, THATS WHY JOHN DOESNT EVEN ATTEMPT TO ARGUE THAT, HE JUST ATTACKS THE INFORMATION PROVIDER. AGAIN, NOTICE HOW JOHN SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE FOUR ADMITTED VOTER FRAUDS IN NEW YORK, BECAUSE HE KNOWS ITS TRUE. SO AGAIN, HE HAS TO TRY TO ATTACK THE SOURCE IN A PATHETIC ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT AWAY FROM THE ISSUE THAT HE CHALLENGED ME AS A LIAR, AND I COMPLETELY DESTROYED HIM WITH THE FACTS. THAT IS WHY JOHN CONTINUES TO ATTEMPT TO KILL THE SOURCE RATHER THAN ARGUE THE REALITY OF MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD BY DEMOCRATS IN INDIANA AND NEW YORK. LOL!!

I LOVE ARGUING WITH PEOPLE LIKE JOHN, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO IGNORANT THAT THEY CONSTANTLY SET THEMSELVES UP FOR INTELLECTUAL THUMPINGS. THANKS JOHN!!!

And I love arguing with people with Roanoke who think the statements of proven liars like James O'Keefe have meaning beyond his own myopic, distorted, psychotic worldview.

Again, notice how John disputes and/or argues NOTHING. NOTHING. He simply attempts to discredit a news source, NOT discuss the facts. John, your concession is noted. Thank you, it's been fun. LOL.

I did not ignore them; I looked at several of your offerings and saw very little which substantiated major voter fraud proving any consequential or major or outcome changing results derived from even your lame examples.

You said

Is that number with or without the massive Democrat voter fraud??

You are now disproven despite your endless squawkings. Yes, there are improprieties, but none major nor result changing. Buh bye, Roanoke! Wave at the Star on the Hill for me. I'm sure it will sit there and listen to ya until your blue in the face as well.

Peace, and Out

There's nothing to discuss because I've already shown your source to be totally without credibility, and notsojingo has demonstrated some of them to be without substance as well. Thanks for that, notsojingo.

Once the Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz is shown to be only a tired, little man hiding behind a curtain there's nothing to discuss. I'm heading back to Kansas...well, Iowa, which is practically a neighbor.

NOPE, you libs just dont want to argue the ACTUAL FACTS. Show me where there were lies regarding ANYTHING I POSTED. NOTSO, and JOHN, show me where the four democrats in New York DID NOT PLEAD GUILTY TO VOTER FRAUD. SHOW ME WHERE THIS IS A LIE:"In November 2009, Democratic operative Anthony DeFiglio told New York State police investigators that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election."

Again, show me where this is a lie: "Former Troy Democratic City Clerk William McInerney, Democratic Councilman John Brown, and Democratic political operatives Anthony Renna and Anthony DeFiglio have entered guilty pleas in the case."

HAHA! Notice how the two of you do not actually refute ANY of this, because you cant!!! Show me where these two statements are NOT factual. John? NOTSO? Show me??? Where is the untruth? Where is the lie? See, you guys cant do that, because you know its true, which is why YOU BOTH just use deflective tactics like "you didnt really prove anything substantial" or kill the messenger tactics like John. LOL!!! I guess four democrats pleading guilty in New York is no big deal!! I guess massive voter fraud in Indiana is...not "substantial." LOL!!!!

Again you big silly pseudo-intellectuals....you are accusing me of lying and providing lies. SHOW ME WHERE THE LIES ARE??? Prove that ANYTHING I posted is not factual.

YOU CANT, because all you libs do is call people liars when you are backed into corners with the facts!! I love it! As usual, both of your concessions are noted, since you wont actually argue facts. Thanks again, guys. This is fun!!!

Dum de dee dum de dee dum....LOL!!!

Crickets chirping= Victory music. Thanks for playing guys! Come back when you want to actually debate the facts and not make up lies!

Made my point. If this was a Republican however- it would be obvious proof of the coziness with Wall Street and lack of respect for america and yada yada yada. As long as your point works for Republicans Alexandria (which overwhelmingly those who defend obama take the opposite position when it's a republican) then I agree you have a very reasonable point.