Romney, Obama battle over 'real economy' experience

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Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney greets suporters Saturday after holding a forum at American Legion Post 15 in Sumter, S.C.

SUMTER, SC-- With only a week remaining before polls open in the South Carolina primary, one could be forgiven for confusing tonight's rally with a general election event. Mitt Romney kept his focus squarely on President Barack Obama, delivering fresh attacks, and ignoring altogether his Republican rivals.

"I've watched the president over the last three years and I've been disappointed. He's failed the American people. He likes to say that he has had extensive experience working alongside hardworking Americans. Now you listen to those words carefully," Romney said during a rally at a VFW hall. "He's had experience working alongside hardworking Americans. I think it helps to have actually been a hardworking American, in a hardworking American job."


"I think you're going to find over the coming year that the president is going to be doing a lot of explaining about how it is being a community organizer taught him to run an economy," Romney predicted.

Romney's use of the phrase "alongside hardworking Americans" suggests he was referencing a memo released Friday by an Obama campaign strategist calling into question the validity of Romney's private sector expertise and looking to paint him as a corporate raider.

"Mitt Romney boasts about understanding the 'real economy,' but President Obama has worked alongside hardworking Americans in that 'real economy.' President Obama — who, like Mitt Romney, earned a degree from Harvard and all the opportunities that affords — began his career helping jobless workers in the shadow of a closed-down steel mill. Mitt Romney, on the other hand, made millions closing down steel mills," the memo from Obama deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter read in part.

Saturday, the Romney campaign also responded with a memo of its own -- using the same language Romney used Saturday night -- to attempt to drive home the distinctions between Romney's private sector experience and President Obama's.

"The President will have all year to elaborate on how his time as a community organizer helped him understand the implications of tax increases for investment decisions, the impact that overregulation can have on business confidence, and the way that trade policies can support or disadvantage American exporters," the memo from Romney policy director Lanhee Chen said. "He can also describe for voters how his law school lecturing duties showed him the extraordinary economic potential of the nation’s energy resources or the challenges that power-grabbing union bosses pose to businesses and workers."

Warming up the crowd of several hundred at Saturday night's rally, and vowing to help Romney "ride this wave all the way to Saturday," South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley turned the Obama campaign's focus on Romney into a reason for voters to support him in the Republican primary.

"You know what the icing of the cake is? There are six people in the primary. President Obama is only talking about one," Haley said, gesturing to Romney. "This one, because he's the one he can't beat." 

Discuss this post

So, according to Mr. Romney, he is the GOP nominee and is running his general election campaign. Wonder if anyone told the rest of the GOP field this? And more importantly, the GOP base voters, have they been told he is the nominee?

  • 9 votes
#1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:30 PM EST

General Motors is now Number One in the world for Auto sales, thanks to the President fighting the American Auto industry alive.

nb. Romney wanted to let General Motors die, and let the thousands of US jobs & related industries go down with it.

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:42 PM EST

Backhouse,

And the odd thing about not supporting the automakers? His dad being from American Motors!!

  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:47 PM EST

Corrrection: thanks to the President fighting to keep the Auto Industry alive, GM is No#1 in auto sales globally.

AND

According to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center:

1. Romney's tax plan would raise taxes on folks making $40,000 or less.

2. At the same time, Romney's tax plan would drop millionaire taxes by nearly 5%.

  • 10 votes
#1.3 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:51 PM EST

Backhouse replying to phinep.

Ding, ding ding, the lightbulb in my gin laden brain just light up.

But ok, I'll play Backhouse/Navy/phinep - GM owes us $50 Billion. Do you by chance have an estimate as to when we can expect to get that back?

I also wonder what you mean by 'American Auto industry?' Gm is but one of many, many car makers that produce cars here.

I only ask cause Obama apparently now needs another $1.2 Trillion.

And I don't suppose you can tell me how many cars are made by GM vs. by all other car makers here in the US? Is it even 15%?

$50 billion. And yet no one can say what would have happened had the BK process gone through. All we know for certain is we are, and remain the Bokest Nation in the History of the World.

Fantastic - GO Team!

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:59 PM EST

Phine,

Article says "Mitt Romney boasts about understanding the 'real economy,' but President Obama has worked alongside hardworking Americans in that 'real economy.'

Yes, the President brought the flapping economy back from the dead & buried.

Re- your comment about Romney's father being an auto guy......

Gee Willakers, is my best response.

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:04 PM EST

Backhouse,

LOL Perfect response. Might tell Spanky at one time there was an auto manufacturer that Romney's dad ran called American Motors. Made all kinds of cars - including the one that looked like an egg.

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:10 PM EST

Phine,

I like eggs and making omlets.

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:34 PM EST

Backhouse,

You make the omelets, I will eat them! (Sort of like if you build it they will come - "Field of Dreams") Wow, you can tell I am up past my bedtime!

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:41 PM EST

Phine

The folks that wiped out the moas ....... if only they'd known that just one moa egg would've made a ton of omlets.

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:47 PM EST

Phine, true enough,

Omelets being all french-like, there is another 'e' in there.

Only shows to go you:

You can beat an egg, but you can't beat the FACTS.

You say it's your bedtime, so you're missing this....

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:10 PM EST

[Ding, ding ding, the lightbulb in my gin laden brain just light up.]

So...off the "diet and no alcohol until the end of January" pledge already?

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:57 AM EST

Well, here is some "real economic experience" Romney has- but I know Obama does not have

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/romney-gives-unemployed-woman-cash-on-ropeline/

How do I know Obama does not have it? Pretty simply- because, if he had ever given so much as a nickel to anyone, it would have been a headline screaming, news breaking event.

This, I will have to keep reporting for the rest of the election.

So, Romney hands this poor woman cash from his wallet when she tells him her story- and one of his supporters pays her past due electric bill.

Obama talks a lot.

Which one is the more compassionate?

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:05 AM EST

NoJo ... among many charitable gifts Obama also gave his 1.2 million from the Nobel prize ... that kind of post is way to easy to slap down ... try harder.

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:58 AM EST

Uh-oh! Don't mention the Nobel Prize! The GOP hates the Nobel Prize. I guess they're still pissed because they wouldn't give W one.

  • 6 votes
#1.14 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:06 AM EST

Well, here is some "real economic experience" Romney has- but I know Obama does not have

How do I know Obama does not have it? Pretty simply- because, if he had ever given so much as a nickel to anyone, it would have been a headline screaming, news breaking event.

If President Obama gave anyone any money from his own wallet you would all blow a gasket. We'd hear even more rants about "SOCIALISM" and "REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH".

...and, compassion aside, isn't Romney giving a handout on some level just poor form?

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:12 AM EST

Da Noid ... they just don't understand that the Prize was actually given to America for changing the direction and manner of implementing its foreign policy.

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:14 AM EST

[So, Romney hands this poor woman cash from his wallet when she tells him her story- and one of his supporters pays her past due electric bill.]

LOL...you STILL crack me up...and Mittens still has to answer to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9cn0M_AFWg

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:34 AM EST

Top 'o the morning to you Mickey.

Not 'off the diet and no alcohol' but rather completed diet. I set a goal weight on 1/1.

Goal weight met. Hard workout, diligent calorie control and diligence. In fact first time I have even stopped drinking to lose weight. Sadly, it make a huge difference.

I know you are happy for me so thanks. :)

Just as with fiscal responsibility - gains can be achieved when the desire is there and you are willing to postpone immediate gratification.

  • 3 votes
#1.18 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:03 PM EST

Uh, Obama could not, legally, accept the honorarium from a foreign country. What he did, (which he will get away with, since he gets to appoint the Attorney General), is flip the cash over to charities- and grab the huge tax deduction. Sorry, not the same, not the same at all.

There was no good reason other than human decency for Romney to have done this. According to the Washington Post and CNN stories, this was not "on camera"- an ABC reporter saw the exchange, and interviewed the woman. Actually, any reporter seeing a politician handing cash to someone on a rope line would do the same thing- who knows what the story would turn out to be?

That this was a good one- and got reported- is a credit to ABC- and to the Washington Post, CBS, Fox, and CNN.

Curious that it never made it to this network. I just did a Google on it- Huffington Post, Daily kos,, lots of web news sites- no NBC. No MSNBC.

Strange, right?

  • 1 vote
#1.19 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:10 PM EST

[I know you are happy for me so thanks. :)]

Actually, I am happy for you. Alcohol has huge calories associated with it.

...moderation, counselor...moderation...but sometimes the Maker's Mark goes down a little too easy after a stressful day week of work.

    #1.20 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:03 PM EST

    This, I will have to keep reporting for the rest of the election.

    By all means please do - it ranks right up there with your Mumbai trip bull@!$%# & 3 year old Halloween party nontroversy!

    Dishonest Donna doing what she does best... spreading manure! lol

    Written by Emily Friedman (h/t Obama Diary)

    According to Williams, she followed the campaign bus to the Columbia airport on Wednesday, the same day Romney was arriving from New Hampshire. When Romney wasn’t on the bus, aides told her to go to the rally scheduled in Columbia later that day. When she showed up, Romney found her to say hello and pulled over South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley to say “hello” too.

    The woman, 55-year-old Ruth Williams, says she has been following the Romney campaign since he arrived in the state on Jan. 11, when she said she received a message from God to track him down.

    "God didn’t tell me to go to nobody else, he told me to pray for Romney,” said Williams, when asked why she has decided to support Romney. “I listened to the Lord.”

    This woman NEEDS a JOB - not a hand-out from a vulture capitalist!

    • 4 votes
    #1.21 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:03 PM EST

    [Curious that it never made it to this network. I just did a Google on it- Huffington Post, Daily kos,, lots of web news sites- no NBC. No MSNBC. Strange, right?]

    No, it's not...but I'm sure you will let us know how this new "conspiracy" plays out, won't you?

    [There was no good reason other than human decency for Romney to have done this.]

    Yeah, all of a sudden Mittens has "human decency"...it couldn't possibly be that he was hoping beyond hope that this "good deed" will be caught by the cameras...

    Oh, but there is this little ditty:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9cn0M_AFWg

    Mittens...a Boy Scouts Boy Scout...

    • 3 votes
    #1.22 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:09 PM EST

    Uh, "No Joe", pardon me if I'm mistaken but if the circumstances were reversed and it was President Obama reaching into his pocket and giving someone some money wouldn't we be hearing the following...

    "IT'S A PUBLICITY STUNT"

    "THAT WOMAN WAS A PLANT BY THE CAMPAIGN"

    • 3 votes
    #1.23 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:44 PM EST

    Here's a bit of trivia that speaks to the difference between George Romney and his son Willard;

    George Romney insisted on capping his salary at $125,000/yr because he believed taking more from the company wouldn't be fair.

    Mittens is more than happy to take FAR MORE than that even on an inflation-adjusted basis while secure in the knowledge that firing people is good for the economy.

    Now, consider applying THAT point of view to a prospective future governing the 99%.

    • 2 votes
    #1.24 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:02 PM EST
    Reply

    ...."Malibu Mitt " seems to say a lot of things ...i still find it hard to believe that the true conservatives would vote for someone who is truly "PRO ABORTION " ...And created Romney care the basis for Obama health care plan ...But this is today maybe tomorrow he will want Newt as the nominee..

    • 8 votes
    Reply#2 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:39 PM EST

    I know if I was a voter on the GOP side, it would really irk me not to be able to have my say (vote). Wow. Two small state primaries and the nominee is crowned.

    • 7 votes
    #2.1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:41 PM EST

    Remember what happened to the last person who made that same comment ...

    • 4 votes
    #2.2 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:47 PM EST

    No, tell, tell.........

    • 2 votes
    #2.3 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:48 PM EST

    Naaa, you all are good - your candidate is Obama. He's the man, plus this is the weakest, lamest field evah!

    Dude is a shoe in, right?

    Sure he is.

    But I like you point phinep - not have your say like all them Hillary supporters in '08. It's a process, and isn't it grand?

    • 5 votes
    #2.4 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:01 PM EST

    i agree

      #2.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:10 AM EST
      Reply

      To quote Adam Smith talking about 'dealers' (i.e. businessmen):

      "The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the publick, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the publick, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it . . ."

      From "The Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations", Adam Smith, book 1, chapter 11, part 3

      • 8 votes
      #3 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:48 PM EST

      Matthew,

      I am impressed. On a football, Saturday night, you can quote Adam Smith (who I quite like BTW). As tired as I am this evening, I am leaning towards Mother Goose! LOL.

      Seriously, great quote.

      • 3 votes
      #3.1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:54 PM EST

      There's a football game on? Did Green Bay win the Super Bowl? ;-))))))

      Thanks, Phinephancy, it is one of my favorites to pull out when any right winger says that we need a businessman to run government. We see what happened with our last President (the 'MBA President') . . . oh wait, he was just incompetent, a nice guy, but incompetent, none the less.

      Actually had to work today, so my mind is not yet in relaxed mode (see my last two paragraphs, below), but I'm getting ready to go listen to some Reggae/Ska. When I get home I'll read myself to sleep with Ron Chernow's Pulitzer Prise winning biography of George Washington . . . nothing really too heavy. ;-)))

      My evangelical, right wing, but not stupid sister kept quoting Adam Smith, so I decided to read him for myself. Much of what he said is in support of less regulation, and supply side economics, but, and it is a big but, he recognized that demand reigns supreme in any economy, and he also recognized the need for smart regulation. He never advocated for no regulation. He also recognized that without demand, there would be no reason for commerce to exist.

      What is most interesting is that most right wingers who use Adam Smith as a source, have not read his third book, and most do not even know that there were 5 books in the 'Wealth of Nations' series. Even the Cato Institute only talks about the first 3, and the third is basically dismissed as 'not relavent'. Of course, it is book 3, 4, and 5 where he really develops the part about demand, and the need for smart regulation. The quote is just a hint of what he develops later.

      • 6 votes
      #3.2 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:11 PM EST

      Matthew,

      I once knew a Franciscan Monk who came to our home once a month for dinner. We would have these wonderful conversations on all manner of topics. Once topic was selective quotes. It would irk him to no end how people would use Bible quotes to prove their side of an argument, but only use HALF the quote. I think I can say they same for the conservatives and the Cato institute they are guilty of the same thing.

      BTW, 49ers game was really good. Gave up on the Denver game.

      • 5 votes
      #3.3 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:24 PM EST

      P.S. He (Smith) also recognized that if only a small percentage of the population held all of the wealth, the economy would collapse for lack of demand. That also was talked about mostly in books 4 and 5.

      My sister-in-law, who has her Masters in Divinity Studies, but is a flaming liberal, calls that 'proof texting'. My sister tried it on me, so I made her get out her Bible and show me. Then I put what she said back in context, and it proved my point, not hers. It was a sweet victory, and she has never tried 'proof texting' me again.

      I enjoy watching football, but I do not follow it. But I do hope GB takes it all the way.

      • 4 votes
      #3.4 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:24 PM EST

      P.S. Even though I am not a Christian (more of a Deist in the mode of Thomas Paine, or Thomas Jefferson), I have a lot of respect for Franciscan's, well educated with open minds, but firm beliefs. They understand that others see the world differently than they do, and leave the judging to God.

      Time to go to the club and listen to some live music. Have a good evening, Phine.

      • 3 votes
      #3.5 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:30 PM EST

      Have a great time Matthew. Bedtime for me!

      • 1 vote
      #3.6 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:33 PM EST

      Matt,

      Of course, it is book 3, 4, and 5 where he really develops the part about demand, and the need for smart regulation. The quote is just a hint of what he develops later.

      No argument from me, I also agree more people should read it, it's not that difficult.

      Reagan read it, Dr Paul has read it, this is why both believe so strongly in supply side economics. (yes Dr Paul is for free market supply side with solid controls, I wish he would explain this more clearly)

      • 1 vote
      #3.7 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:37 PM EST

      Egilman,

      Heading off to bed. Keep 'em honest here! And consider the Meadow Party for president. Bill the Cat and Opus the Penguin for President and Veep (Bloom County by Berkley Breathed).

        #3.8 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:45 PM EST

        Phine,

        I hated it when Bloom County became 'Outland', but always loved it when Opus went flying down hills with (I forget his name) in the wheelchair.

        Bloom County, great.

        Outland , not so great.

        Egilman,

        To tell you the truth, I never got the 'intelligent control' on free market capitalism from Dr. Paul. I always respected him, but the recent revelations about his newsletters, are a huge negative for me. He may not have written them, but they are under his name.

        You are one of the few Ron Paul supporters that actually shows respect for those who disagree with you, and also recognizes some of the areas where there are agreements. i can respect that.

        But move beyond that. Many on this site see me as a liberal, but I am actually an independent populous. This puts me a little to the left on social issues, and a little to the right on economic issues. Which means, those on the left would call me a fascist, and those on the right a socialist . . . and both would be right, to a small degree. I would also be called a capitalist, and a 'librul' by many.

        Egilman, you have a good start, keep reading, and expand your experience and knowlege. Might I suggest that you go to Europe, and Russia? Check out Naomi Klein, John Kenneth Gilbraith, and his son, John K. Galbraith. Bruce Bartlett, and Robert Reich, Michael lewis, and Joseph Stiglitz. Don't ignore the Chicago School of Economics, for even from the 'enemy' there is much to be learned.

        Expand your mind, and your body will follow, Egilman. Ron Paul is definitely not the answer, but, just because the messenger is flawed, doesn't mean the message is.

        • 2 votes
        #3.9 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:17 AM EST

        Phine,

        Bill the cat . . .

        Aak! Ook!

        'Bill the Cat' was my hero!

        • 1 vote
        #3.10 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:25 AM EST

        Egilman,

        One last thing, President Reagan also subscribed to Milton Friedman more than Adam Smith. Milton Friedman was an 'evil man'. I do not call many people that, but he truly deserves the term. He (Friedman) did not think his ideas were evil, but hey were, none the less.

        • 2 votes
        #3.11 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:35 AM EST

        Rexteryalizer Paw, there is still help available for you. Please visit your local mental halth clinic. You really need some serious medicatian.

        • 4 votes
        #3.13 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:58 AM EST

        Matt,

        Thank you

        I probably stand a few steps to the right of you, but there is an ornery streak in me that swerves liberal from time to time.

        I'm not a deist but I do believe in a very personal god, I call myself a christian, but understand that churches are about dogma and not what christ taught, and it might astound you that I belong to the Fraternal order of Masons. (no we are not trying to take over the world)

        Freidman is out there but some of what he says makes sense, but not in the way he applies it to the real world, or putting it in a better way some of his ideas don't lend themselves to the real world.

        The Gilbraiths father and son, I like, but Reich is a bit strong for me, I think he leans to much into predictive rather than practical theories, but that could be my interpretation, the others I will look into.

        Other authors I've read are Anton Myrer, John Toland, Steinbeck, (everyone over the age of 50 has read Steinbeck) Eisenhower, Powell, Kennedy, Paul, Jefferson AND Madison, Grant, Shin Tzu, Mao, Lenin, Marx, Hitler, some of the perverted crap written on behalf of Stalin. I've read Johnson's and Chamberlin's memoirs Guderian and Rommel the ubiquitous Von Clauswitz, (LOL) I haven't read that much about Lincoln just because who he really was has been lost by too many people trying to shade the man into their view of the world he lived in, it gets difficult to pick out the real from the fantasy with him.

        I always try to expand on what little education I have, and am a firm believer in having knowledge of what you are fighting makes you a better, more capable opponent.

        I like to be friends with everyone, some people make that difficult, but I still try.

        I would be honored if you would allow me to call you a friend.

        • 1 vote
        #3.14 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:19 AM EST

        Rexteryalizer Paw ... having a little trouble with the keyboard today?

          #3.15 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:42 AM EST

          Good morning FR fans!!!! In honor of Backhouse, I made a fabulous omelet this morning! I also have a hubby who is planning a cruise - this after the disaster in Italy. Should I be worried?

          Bill the Cat/Opus 2012

          • 1 vote
          #3.16 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:48 AM EST

          Good morning Phine ... "planning a cruise - this after the disaster in Italy. Should I be worried?" ... How many car accidents in Florida today? Cruise baby Cruise.

            #3.17 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:52 AM EST

            Ideology,

            If he takes out extra life insurance on me, I am not going!!! LOL

              #3.18 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:54 AM EST

              For the record, we did fly out to Vegas one month to the day after 9/11. Emptiest plane I have ever been on. Got our choice of seats and we were able to stretch out and sleep all the way from Orlando to Vegas. Same way 5 days later when we came home. Stayed a couple of extra days at the Happiest Place on Earth and had the joint to ourselves (and the people who worked there)

                #3.19 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:00 AM EST

                Egilman,

                I just got Robert Reich's 'Aftershock' but have not yet read it. I have read a few articles he wrote, but nothing this long. Also, his book is about 3 or 4 down the line, I just bought about 7 books from a half price book site. I'm over 50 (darn it!), and if I read Steinbeck, I do not remember it. I have read about 10 founding father's biographies (including Jefferson's autobiography), and a few other early American history books (including 'The Federalist Papers'). Lots of books on economics history (I'm trying to slough through Maynard Keynes' 'General Theory' off and on . . . it is dense, and I have no formal economics training beyond the classes required for my engineering degrees) , many political commentary books (Bob Woodward's book series on the Bush administration are quite revealing, and not at all written as an 'expose' or attack on it), and a TON of fiction. Two of my favorite fiction authors are Shakespeare, and Dickens, but there are quite a few modern writers I also like. Basically, I am a bookworm, and have read a few of the authors you mentioned.

                I definitely agree with you about dogma. One of my favorite bumper stickers says: My Karma just ran over your Dogma. Religion is personal, and I do not trust the strength of someone's faith, if they are always wearing it on their sleeve.

                There is a poster on here (Barbara something) who actually had Friedman as a professor when she got her Masters in Economics from the Chicago School of Economics in the 60s(?). She is not a proponent of his theories, but knows quite a bit about them. I had an interesting exchange with her a few weeks (a week?) ago.

                • 1 vote
                #3.20 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:17 PM EST

                Matt,

                I've read aftershock, it's a good read, makes some predictions, some of which I don't agree with, but over all within his theories make sense.

                Last time dogma and I met, I wound up taking a bite out of him for a change, he hasn't come back. "All your self righteousness is like filthy rags before me" Sums it up pretty good if you ask me.

                A bible thumper, is a man standing before god with both hands on the good book, with a look of rapture on his face when he takes the book and beats himself over the head with it. When done, with the look of rapture still on his face he wonders, why won't it fit?

                I'm more history oriented, was offered a post by one of my professors a long time ago as his assistant. Would have loved to take it but it was an unpaid position and I had a family to feed. Sometimes I get lost in Economics, but I do know enough to get around. (Mrs Egilman is an accountant, besides being a geriatric nurse, so I have to know a little bit if only to have an intelligent conversation with her sometimes)

                Barbara? I think I've ran into her on the vine, she's one of the ones I respect around here.

                  #3.21 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:05 PM EST
                  Reply

                  {Obama Diary} LOS ANGELES, CA – President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign receives an early endorsement from the United Farm Workers of America, the nation’s largest and oldest farm workers union, during an 11 a.m. rally on Thursday, Jan. 12, at the UFW’s Los Angeles offices, 4545 E. Cesar Chavez Ave. in East L.A. The rally kicks off a series of union-sponsored events and rallies throughout the nation supporting the President.

                  “We are proud to endorse President Obama in this historic year during which the UFW celebrates its 50th anniversary,” said UFW President Arturo Rodriguez. “President Obama stands with farm workers and immigrants. His administration is fighting against mean-spirited partisan legislation and gratuitous attacks by Republican politicians against hard-working, tax-paying immigrants who are among the most vulnerable people in our society.”

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#4 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:59 PM EST

                  A union for Obama? Stunning really.

                  Plus La Raza.

                  You can't forget about "the Race."

                  I do wonder - what/which/why 'race?'

                  • 5 votes
                  #4.1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:03 PM EST

                  Fab post Pat. Good on yez.

                  • 2 votes
                  #4.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:23 AM EST

                  backhouse go to the outhouse with your liberal BS lies!

                  OBOMBO bought GM for his big union buddies and closed down dealerships killing jobs!

                  Ford is number 1 without taking a dime of taxpayer money! the Volt is a disaster! his

                  stimulus and regulations and big union socialist agenda is the reason for no jobs! get

                  over your lies and accept this president is a big union government spending liberal!

                  • 2 votes
                  #4.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST

                  BS! ask the farmers who had their water cut off by Pelosi and others to save a stupid bug!

                  they lost jobs, homes and farms! of course the liberal media never reported this did they?

                  • 2 votes
                  #4.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:20 PM EST

                  ON FORD:

                  As part of the President's very good-looking, timely & well-received INSOURCING initiative:

                  FORD reports:

                  They will INSOURCE 2,000 jobs back to this country.

                  • 2 votes
                  #4.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:35 PM EST
                  Reply

                  Spanky,

                  How about them 49er's?

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#5 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:08 PM EST

                  Phine---What a great game!!!

                  Spanky is a Chargers fan. Not so 'super' this year for them.

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                  #5.1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:29 PM EST

                  Tom,

                  Pity me. I have the Jaguars. I loved watching the game though. Having no favorite makes it easier to watch and enjoy! (Did catch myself pulling for the 49er's in the end)

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.2 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:32 PM EST
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                  I'm still in mourning for my beloved Red Sox, who committed slow suicide around the first part of last September. Think I'll go watch my DVDs of the 2004 and the 2007 World Series (considering I've been a fan of theirs since 1967, I by God *earned* the right to this particular form of fan service.

                  Oh, and who has a better idea of real life, someone who worked his way through being raised by a single mother and grandparents, or someone born with a platinum spoon in his mouth?

                  Here's hoping people have enough sense not to vote for someone who will raise taxes on them so those poor benighted millionaires can buy another yacht.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#6 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:40 PM EST

                  excessively, I've been hoping for that since 1978 . . . it ain't happened, yet. I've seen, and have personally known, many who have voted against their own interests for way too long to think that it will not happen again. One can only hope, and work to help fewer to do it again, this time around.

                  • 1 vote
                  #6.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:03 AM EST
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                  Some spending are completely inevitable. Who wouldn't spend on prescribed medication to get well. Such spending are mandatory ,wise and could be costly.If you want to avoid some legal and medical cost, then act and live wisely

                  US economy was about to die, heavily infected and diseased with GOP policies that resulted in the worst recession; The economic prescription required spending and thanks to Obama for spending to get us back on our feet.

                  Why should America go back to GOP policies? What would that be? Amnesia , mental porosity, folly or what?

                  If we want to avoid such economic failure and and such bailout and costly spending in future, please don't go GOP again until their policies change..... Republicanism is over for me if Romney is the nominee, I will go OBAMA 2012.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#7 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:02 AM EST

                  I wouldn't mind the GOP economics if they actually did what they said it would do. Supposedly trickling down from or giving the 1% tax breaks will create jobs. Unfortunately all that has happened is that the greedy 1%ers have sent jobs over seas to make even more money. I wouldn't mind so much giving them tax breaks if there was something in it for me but I see nothing in it for me. There are mandates made by previous Congresses both controlled by Demcorats and Republicans that require payment and once that is made there isn't a whole lot left. Obama is trying to make cuts where they make sense but no matter what he does it will not be approved by the GOP. They whine about big government but his government has actually shrunk and he is proposing even more cuts by eliminating or cutting down on some bureaus and cabinet positions. By combining duties and resposibilities that are similar we eliminate some unnecessary jobs. The largest beurocracy the US has ever had in this country is the Department of Homeland Security and that was created, not by a Democrat but by Republican President George W. Bush.

                  GOP policies have proven unworkable and it is time to try something else. Those new policies may or may not work but we know for sure that the GOP ideas haven't worked. Unfortunately change is difficult. Whether at a corporation or a nation change is hard and takes time. Change management is tough enough for even small companies but for an entity such as a huge nation one can see it is extremely more difficult. Change, nevertheless, must be made as what we have been doing with Reaganomics is not working.

                  • 1 vote
                  #7.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:00 PM EST

                  gee baldeagle, if trickle down economics doesn't work why is it being promoted by obama?

                  Not a whole lot of difference between the wealthy voluntarily spending/investing their cash vs obama wanting to force increased taxation and running it through our "oh so efficient government" is there?

                    #7.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:43 PM EST

                    You can't have it both ways, american. Is President Obama "promoting" trickle down economics, or is he "wanting to force increased taxation."

                    These things are mutually exclusive.

                      #7.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:54 AM EST
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                      Our country is healing, and we’re heading upward from the very deep and very wide hole the Bush Administration dug for us... it's been a slow recovery, and we're not quite there yet, but we're heading in the right direction!

                      Obama is working for the middle class, he's on the side of hard working Americans and those less fortunate... we need a second Obama term to ensure our country is on solid footing. We need the Affordable Health Care Law which will enable every American an opportunity to acquire affordable health care... by the way which should be a right not a privilege; we need a large infrastructure plan which will put millions back to work; we need fair tax policy, tax breaks for folks making less than $250,000 and slightly higher taxes for those making a million+; and, we need to preserve Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, however some adjustments should be made, i.e. means testing and gradually increasing the eligibility age.

                      Obama stands for the above and with Dems’ out there campaigning and voting we can take back the house and increase our numbers in the Senate... then we'll see real change in this country.

                      On the other hand... if the GOP take over the white house be prepared to see the Affordable Health Care law be repealed, and we'll be once again at the mercy of big insurance companies; be prepared to watch Medicare and Social Security privatized; and, be prepared to see the tax rate for our dwindling middle class increase while the tax rate for the top two percent decrease...

                      Under a GOP led administration the middle class and our seniors will lose our safety net, we'll have higher taxes and we'll be reduced to accepting minimum wage jobs... and the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer!

                      THINK TWICE BEFOR YOU PLACE YOU VOTE...

                      Obama/Biden are for the 99% -- The GOP are for the 1%

                      Donna

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                      Reply#8 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:45 AM EST

                      Donna, your nother big lying liberal! Obombo is not for the middle class he's for his big union

                      rich friends and the welfare nanny state lazy aholes and illegals who vote democrat! he has

                      done nothing but spend spend spend taxpayer money for his friends create regulations killing

                      afforable energy and by passing congress like a dictator trying to turn america into a socialist

                      nation! he is anti-american and people like you can go with him to Europe and live in socialistopia!

                      • 1 vote
                      #8.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST

                      you can be a nice, bigoted,

                      Nasty-Arse,

                      and Democrats will still support you in getting some help for that hOle in your heart.

                      • 1 vote
                      #8.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:47 PM EST
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                      I always like how guys in suits always claim to know how things work. From Romney's point of view, he knows high finance and business reorganization. Probably has a few people skills in how to run an office. But somehow that applies to government better than Obama's demonstrated academic abilities in undergrad, law school and as a professor. Last I checked, the U of C had some pretty high standards - they aren't grabbing lawyers off the street to teach their classes. And anyone who has ever been to law school or taught same knows that at the higher levels, the professors are extensively vetted for their teaching abilities and knowledge. And most lawyers I know because of the cases they have handled and read are probably much greater in tune with the inter play of all the economic and legal forces affecting people and businesses in the US. Romney may have some good knowledge about how a steel mill runs. Obama has a good understanding about how China's policies affect our steel industry. Plus, I must add that working as a community organizer, working with "those people" doesn't count for seeing how the other half lives. I doubt that Romney has much idea as to how the other half lives.

                        Reply#9 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:46 PM EST

                        Need to add one final dig at the "suits." In any situation, after the fact, there are always lots of "suits" explaining what happened. It they were so smart to being with - why didn't they prevent it from happening in the first place? Romney's very careful, he never explains what caused the recession or the housing bubble, or what he would have done to prevent them. It's clear he wants less regulation of the financial industry, but to what end?

                          Reply#10 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:52 PM EST

                          Please help pick a President that has helped more Americans out then any of the other GOP"s..Ron Paul has helped over 4000 women with there newborns to paying there medical bills to baring a child! We need ask ourselves who better to Protect the American laws and People.. As a Democrat I am voting for Ron Paul.. When Mitt Romney was a 1 time Governor and posted he only wants to be a 1 term President.He took Massachusetts to be one of the worst state"s in America in 4 years! Mandated and Insurance Law for inside trading and payouts from Drug Company's.He had his staff before he left office as Governor DELETE FEDERAL FILES before he left office and replaced computers with government funds. Mitt Romney was born with a spoon in his mouth and I do not believe he has America in his better interest with out a PROFIT.To Be A President we need to know all the facts and I can not justify Voting For Mr. Romney with the Baggage he has! I am a Democrat and leaning towards Ron Paul..Rick Santorum is just a not Educated to be a President and we would be in conflict with to many Nations.

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