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BEDFORD, NH-- Maybe it was sharing the stage with N.J. Gov. Chris Christie last night that did it, but Mitt Romney was ready to engage when Occupy protesters disrupted his rally for the second night in a row.
As chants of "Live Free or Die, Always Occupy" broke out in a familiar refrain, and police closed in, Romney did something few in the hall expected, or had seen before. He told one protester to stop shouting and ask a real question.
"How about instead of shouting, why don't you say what you think, say your view. What’s your view madam, what do you think?" Romney asked.
While the question was unclear - the protester was deep in the crowd - Romney's answer unambiguously laid the elevated role of money in presidential politics squarely at the feet of President Obama.
"The answer is, this president is spending money and has spent money, we have had over the history of this country a public funding plan for our presidents, and you know what? This president has been the first one to throw aside the public funding program to break all those barriers and to spend massively more than any president in history," Romney said. "This country is too important to hand over to President Obama for a second term."
In 2008, then candidate Obama chose to forgo matching public financing for his campaign, and ultimately spent a record $747 million dollars pursuing the White House - a controversial decision at the time. Romney had spent $17.6 million dollars this election cycle through the end of September, according to the latest filing data available.
With the crowd energized, the frontrunner Romney closed out his stump speech by urging the supporters to vote in tomorrow's primary, telling them "you're going to make a big statement tomorrow."
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747 B illion dollars? Really? Maybe you meant M illion?
Michelle Bachman probably came up with that number.
Of course it is millions though still by far set the record for how much a candidate had to spend to buy an election.
boto - your response is just plain ignorant. the msnbc reporter made a mistake, it happens.
The point is, Obama is the biggest hypocrite on earth on this as well as many other rich-guy issues. Obama slams the current system, but instead of opting in for the public finance option, feels the need to raise a billion dollars in this current election cycle. This says a lot about him - his lack of confidence, and his lack of good character.
You either believe and support what you believe, or you spend taxpayer money on Chewbacca Halloween parties and $4 million on holiday travel while vilifying rich people.
What is truly pathetic are the loonie lefties who still support this fraud.
Oh no, Practical Libertarian, I completely understand why the lefties support Obama; why, they love having no job, no house, $4.00 gas, worthless 401ks........and on and on
I love Bedford NH. Home of Sarah Silverman.
Huntsman is the only hope for Republicans. To my Republican friends in NH, (although they are few). Be sane or be gone.
Huntsman is a statesman. An ambassador. Fluent in Mandarin.
Respected in China, the next powerhouse we will need to address.
Stop this right-wing social social engineering.
Make the right choice. I love Dixville Notch! Too cool (maybe literally) a place.
Good heart! I miss NH. Peace to all in this special state.
WHAT'S UP with all the left wing right wing shyt. we're americans and i think everyone has forgotten that. everyone gets mad when someone less fortunate is given assistance or an oppurtunity. stop hatin and tryin to hold people back. it's bad enough that we got rid of slavery not that long ago in our own country yet have to sit here and listen about foodstamp president. does anybody realize the cost of living and minimum wage don't add up. the reason why foodstamps are so high is because states are not doing their jobs in the welfare office i see illegals making off like fat rabbits. so now because bush opened his back yard our system is flooded and people that live in low income housing have to fight for jobs their never gonna get because illegal pay is always cheaper. so stop cracking on obama cause that's what he means by failed system.
There is such a buzz in NH this time of year in a political election.
Cold air. Freshens the mind. Sharp wit. Clear thought.
Reflection on years past and a forward vision on our path to the future.
I miss that very much. Truly intelligent people, with a purpose and a sense of responsibility.
I'll be watching tonight as Dixville Notch casts their vote. All best to you my friends!!
For those of you who talk about the job numbers under President Obama
And for the gas prices, you can make your own judgement by visiting here
Karl Rove alone plans to spend $150M on the 2012 election through 2 groups whose money comes from anonymous contributions, thanks to the legalized bribery of Citizens United. Add in vast amounts of Conservative propaganda through dozens of talk shows, an entire TV network, and a plethora of well-financed blogs providing free campaign support for the eventual GOP candidate.
Hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is pretending none of this matters and much of our political process hasn't been bought and paid for by the Conservative Movement and the wealthy elites who pay for it.
Wonder what George Soros, MoveOn.org and the unions plan on spending. Don't give me the crap that only republicans do it, they ALL do it
Then we're in agreement that Republicans should stop blocking the DISCLOSE Act so we can bring an end to the corrupting force of anonymous money. Glad to hear it.
Can Romney ever answer any questions with his own opinion instead of always deflecting or answering the question he wanted to be asked?
if mitt gets elected i just wanted to welcome the american people to the newest 3rd world country. then talk about left wing and right wing then!? mo-rons lol!
Hilarious - Mitt does what Obama does, reframe the discussion. But nice try.
As to the 3rd world country - are you completely daft? The guy has a track record of success, not a track record of the highest percentage of citizens on food stamps in the history of the world.
do you keep his track record or are you getting your facts straight out of the mouth of mitt himself.
instead of watching what people tell you on tv do some reading and you'll find the truth. because you're lost and need to find yourself if you think it's obama's fault people can't afford to live because of laws put in place during another presidents term.
You really believe that Obama doesn't discuss things? So I guess the negotiations with Boehner over the deficit didn't happen? It was Obama that offered the largest cuts in exchange for revenue increases. It was Obama that held the health care summit with the GOP leaders. He asked for real and immediate solutions to insuring the uninsured and those denied or priced out of health insurance. All the GOP would offer was tort reform and cross border policies, neither of which provided any expanded coverage. He's discussed his policy objectives until he's blue in the face and not one GOP Senator has ever crossed the aisle, not one. So just who is unwilling here?
"Hilarious - Mitt does what Obama does, reframe the discussion. But nice try."
Funny I didn't even mention Obama. I guess you took a page out of Romney's book and tried to shift the focus away from him and to Obama
I 'll bet 10 thousand dollars Mitt hires undocumented workers for a goodness sake.
Karl Rove's money will be concentrated at the congressional level. He wants control of the House AND the Senate. People need to expand their thinking past just the presidency.
You're right on target, jrae. The Conservative Movement has dragged the political world dramatically to the right over the last 3 decades by never losing sight of the big picture. Liberals could learn a lot from that point.
Obama and his occupier hippie friends are running out time!
The mistake of 2008 will be corrected in November.
WHAT WOULD THAT BE..getting reelected yes your right
Amen, bro - Obama WILL be re-elected in spite of those that can't see the light of day!
The excellent Senator Scott Brown from my native state will be reelected! Not the massive failure Obama.
It will be fun coming to First Read the day after the election to hear the whining from the moonbat brigades...claiming a conspiracy with Diebolt vote machines or something..LOL
bob are you laughing at your brain..with your comments..lol
Tough crowd here tonight.
We really have more in common than we let on to. Let's make this a positive 2012.
Seriously? President Obama doesn't have a track record of success?
So, he really didn't even give the protesters a chance to answer as they were "escorted" out of the door. Not only that, but he (like many) still think that the Occupy protesters are all liberal and are all Obama supporters. WOW.
I fully expect our "leaders"/"representatives" to stay asleep (and count sheep). It is in their be$t interest to do so. I am just wondering how long it will take for the public to wake up and stop being the sheep.
Pj - WE aren't just waiting and sitting around anymore. We will be out in FULL force Jan 20th. If the Republican Supreme Court does NOT change their decision as to Corporations being People!! We cannot let them erode our Bill of Rights. These republican little people just don't get what's really going on!!
The Occupy protesters scream and yell and disrupt, like 3 year olds having a tantrum....they are ALL moonbat liberal moron Obama supporters...entitled brats and paid union thugs.
Sickening.
yes its called brain washed...the only thing they care about is the a baby being born in this world...they vote for them every-time ..and we get screwed with there other laws
Bob, First and for most, I am not a liberal. I am a centrist.
Since we are saying silly shyt: Grover Norquist and the Republican party (beginning with Reagan) are the antichrist. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, moon-bat. It has to be true! I have never seen such a brainwashed bunch in my life. And, the beauty of it, is because I see you as such, you decide to call me a screaming 3 year old acting moon-bat liberal brat. The devil has you by the eyes, ears and tongue, Bob! He really does.
Janis,
Pray tell just what is really going on?
pj,
I think I read this story a little differently than you. Before anyone was "escorted out" Mr. Romney gave the protesters an opportunity to actually say something, pose a real question, rather than just shouting silly slogans (Live free or die??? At over $1,000,000 clean-up and repair bill in the city of Los Angeles OWS certainly has a strange view of living free). Instead of protesters seizing the opportunity for meaningful dialogue, "the question was unclear." Though the article didn't say so I imagine Mr. Romney couldn't hear a question through the din of the questioner's fellow protester's chanting. I am not a Romney fan but he definitely took the high road here, put 'em on the spot.
Sorry Mark, I am not an Obama fan (In fact, there is not a candidate for President that I will fully back...Once AGAIN!) I do not think Romney took the high road, at all.
Oh Janis, anyone over 40 knows what's going on. Its just the latest attempt from people who want others to pay their way acting like idiots.
And if you think the majority of OWS folks supporting a candidate other than Obama, well, you may want to actually pay attention to what they say, post, scream, and cajole about.
Is that you, Grover?
do we really need a new President that fires people
we need commenters who can get the story straight before making a comment
like Obama is a secret Muslim born if Africa those kind
What story would you like to tell, taxed?
he likes the truth...Obama caused the recession ..sold the country to china..that kind of truth...pj..lies are truth to tea trash
Obama didnt cause the recession, but his failed policies were a disaster and made the recession longer and deeper. Obama is ruining the private sector economy with his statist European socialism.....
bob how with your tax breaks
elvis, since the Republican/TP Inc. people have finally figured out that no one is buying their lie that President Obama caused the recession, they are now lying about the claim that he made it longer, and deeper. This is understandable, they are just following the lead of President Bush. When they didn't find any WMDs in Iraq, they started saying they invaded because Saddam was a bad man.
When President Obama is reelected, they might finally figure out we aren't buying the 'longer, and deeper' lie, either.
amen brother..and i live in Beaumont ..
Ahh, I guess I need to change my on-line name to 'Matthew, who used to live in Houston, TX'. I recently got laid off because of a specific policy decision of President Bush, but found a job in another state. Luckily, I have a good education, unique skills, and there is a shortage of people with my knowledge, and skills.
Lived in the Houston area for over 5 years, and met some really good people, though.
your not missing much Perry took his place.Oh and My real name is Elvis Payne
Matthew, Houston.
I'm truly sorry to hear you lost your job. What policy decision of President Bush's caused it? Just curious.
I'm glad you found a new job quickly. I wish you much success in your new location and new endeavor.
Thank you for your sentiment, Candice, but I hesitate to identify the policy as it might reveal enough personal information to identify me to people I'd rather not have know who I am.
"In 2008, then candidate Obama chose to forgo matching public financing for his campaign, and ultimately spent a record $747 billion dollars pursuing the White House - a controversial decision at the time."
This is another flat-out in-your-face Republican lie to add to Romney's and Newt's and Rick's debate whoppers which went unchallenged. $747 Billion dollars is even more than the entire Defense budget. It's possibly even more than George W. Bush stole from America to give to his buddies in no-bid contracts. It's more than the entire Iraq war should have cost. And where would O'bama get $747 billion?
Republicans have had their chance to come up with someone who could beat O'bama. And they're blowin' it.
yes they made THERE BED
xscharm,
The First Read author wrote $747 billion....likely an error. It wasn't Mr. Romney who said it. Go back to the article and notice the "quotes."
xs -- use the brain you were given. the msnbc reporter made a mistake. it is well-documented that obama's campaign spent $745,000,000 on the election. USNEWS states that: "Opting out of public financing, despite earlier pledges to the contrary, Obama raised $745 million entirely in private contributions"
it is just one of the many lies and under-handed tactics that he continues to employ.
It was a typo you blithering knuckleheads. He spent $745 million, and is projected to raise $1 billion in this election cycle.
You see, the Wall St crowd, the Big Banking crowd AND the labor unions and trial lawyers all support this clown.
Hitting "b" instead of "m" isn't a typo in this case. It's a brain fart. The difference between a billion and a million is 1,000 times. No one should ever make so LARGE a financial error. Just because they rhyme, doesn't make them similar or easy to mix up if you have any concept of how different they are from one another.
Be careful what you request, Willard, you might not like the results.
When OWS asks rich boys to account for certain actions or attitudes it couuld be embarrasing for said rich kid.
OWS are leftist stooges..paid union thugs and George Soros paid loons.
and bob gets his news reading his alphabet cereal
boob numbers;
you are spouting a WHOLE lot of RNC rhetoric against the United States President;
give us all some source/authority to prove ANY of your posted contentions please....
If you don't have any, indicate that your statement(s) are only YOUR opinion.
...and please try to sober up before posting anything.
Hey witless Mitt the endorsment from fat boy Christie worked wonders for Meg Whitmans campaign,,,am sure it will do the same for you
whats has happen to all the tea trash..hahaha ...stupid has finally caught up to y'all
Shame on MSNBC for suspending Pat Buchanan.
No surprise though, it just reaffirms how intolerant the left wing is when it comes to opposing ideas. Prepare to see more censoring of conservative voices as the progressive platform continues to stifle economic growth and prosperity.
seems you like stupid huh ..
Well thought out response there genius
thanks took you long enough
Rob in ma <lotsofnumbers>, you are showing your stupidity. Not paying a bigoted old man to come on their network, and spew hate is not censorship. They own the platform, they can have whoever they want on it, and not have anyone they don't want on it. It is not a public platform, Rob, therefore, it is not censorship. Get a clue, fool.
Your support for Buchanan suggests you are also a bigot. Are you a bigot, Rob?
hahahaha
Rob, no surprise there, Pat is not the sharpest cookie cutter in the box, never has been, never will be. he is about as electable as anyone else from the 70's and looks the part. People on any news/talk/or entertainment show are there strictly for the raitings which allows the station to sell air time as expensively as possible. If the station is not getting a good return on their money they will not continue to run a show, now if you wing nuts really want him on this network I suggest you do what the followers of Hot in Cleveland did to TVland, bombard them with calls, letters, and commitments to their sponsors to watch the show and purchase the products. It is how this selling "air" works.
But mr grover, the gop, & the rushbo all know that occupy has nothing to do with obama and has a very simple reason for being. 'The rich get richer, the poor poorer.' I tell you it is sooo simple. Because mr grover, the gop, & the rushbo do everything for & only for the upper 1%.
don't you dare tell the truth...
Yeah, don't mention that Obama was partying like a rockstar in 2009 while vilifying the rich, or that his administration has more former Goldman Sachs employees than any in history.
Don't talk about this President overseeing an economy that has now had more people receiving foodstamps than any President in the history of our nation.
And forget to mention that Obama has had back to back to back larger deficits than any President in history, with no end to Trillion+ deficits each an every year for the forseeable future.
Forget to mention that his Jobs Czar is the CEO of GE, the biggest corporate tax dodger in the US, and the company actively building factories in China, creating jobs for Chinese, because its cheaper to build there than here.
Yeah, the rich get richer - and statistically, more so under Obama than any President in history as well. He is a BIG friend to the rich, and a net importer of foodstamp recipients.
Obama is not a real American..now that's the truth huh tea trash
Mitt Romney was a '60s protester who protested protesters
It was 1966, when Romney was a 19-year-old Stanford freshman. Romney and his friends were unhappy that 15 anti-war students had occupied the reception area of the university president's office to protest new Selective Service requirements that affected students' draft deferments.
In any case, it turns out Romney wasn't exactly an opponent of deferments. He got one himself.
As a Mormon missionary, he took a "ministerial deferment" from the draft -- and served his time, not in Vietnam, but in France.
thanks for that enfo
And you Democrats worship Bill Clinton, who was a real draft dodger.
Bob you take A$$ to a HOLE new level.
Bob is either a fool or a paid stooge, I am guessing the latter. He has no real passion or conviction. He just keeps spouting off sloganish words.
Conservatives speak about issues, liberals scream and yell, calling names and trashing posters.
Interesting difference.
P.L. give me a break! That is about the most comical statement I have ever read.
Funny, until Grover took over, I used to like the Libertarian Party.
George Romney was BORN in Mexico, lol. That is the truth; but, I think we should demand Romney's birth cert, lol. Oh, and the Romney's RAN to Mexico to avoid prosecution for having 3 wives, lol. He doesn't know any of his relatives down there - wonder why he distances himself from his family? If he EVER got elected, we will revolt - plain and simple!!
NBC is doing a long story on Romney's remote family who came from Mexico many decades ago. Whoop de do.
Yet the Obama- poodle network shows no interest in Obama's Aunt and Uncle, both of whom are illegal aliens sponging off the taxpayers.
The wealthy Barack Obama lets the taxpayers to pay for his Anti Zenuti's foot massages and lifetime freebies, for doing nothing.
Bob you must be getting your feet massage...who would ever come up with such retard ..words oh sorry bet you are wearing your tin foil hat sorry
BOB you need to stop disrespecting our leader because your mad that your republican party is a failure. look obama wins by a landslide vote.... republican party maybe nextime lol! maybe if the poor get richer i can get me a foot massage too.
Getting back to how they are mistreating the OWS movement (of course, the Tea Party was acceptable to them)....I am the "new" poor class after working since I was 15, being educated, a professional Purchasing Agent, losing my home, job, pension and I resent being told I should take a bath and get a job! Bush did this...not ME!! The French revolution - remember it Mr. Romney -- we WILL NOT eat Cake for much longer and most of the people in this movement are NOT children. We are the People who make this country what it is - We are the people that fight for democracy -- NOT YOU - chicken liver - Dismiss us now, lol.
I love it
Bush did it? LOL....How dare they demand you work, Janis?. Join the millions in Obama Food Stamp Nation. The lifetime moochers. Get a government check!.
"We are the People" No, the OWS haters are the problem.
BOB ..what Jobs..Romney's Jobs
I stand with Occupy, and I have a job - a good one, too. I've never collected a dime of welfare. So what about me, Bob? Mitt Romney had a microphone and the woman in the audience didn't. A bigger man would have gone down to talk to her, not just ridicule her from the stage, but not Mitt. Go ahead and tell me to take a bath and get a job. Done, and done. Now, Mitt, get off your butt and do what's best for the American people, not for your wealthy corporate sponsors and country club buddies.
with you on that 1
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Janis said:
Have you been working since 15? I'm guessing - no - and I also suspect that you got your cushy job from Daddy or a good buddy. It's easy to look down on those who have lost their jobs when you've got it made, and apparently even easier to lie about them.
Commander in Chief parties on your dime, golfs on your dime, hangs with his millionaire and billionaire buddies on your dime, and you criticize Mitt for his activities as a private citizen?
Hilarious. Pathetic, but hilarious.
Impractical Tater Tot, YOU'RE the one who's "hilarious." Your type is incapable of seeing the truth and thinking for yourself that you have to get your talkling points from the "always UNfair and UNbalanced" Fox News. Try having an original thought for once?? You might find that you like it.
Mr grover, the gop, & the rushbo need to get people to vote against their best interests. Look at mr grover's last president the bushman. Rolling blackouts, 911, iraq, economic crash of 2007. Somebody lined their pockets with pure gold. The upper 1%. The poor got poorer.
yes and the stupid people keeps buying Glenn Beck Gold..
And is was reading this story about this 1933 double eagle gold coin that had a face value of $20 which was destroyed on 911 in the wtc. There were no such coins in circulation but one appeared and sold for millions. Then a second appeared but the treasury confiscated it.
hahahaha..I bet BOB has some of those coins
"ultimately spent a record $747 billion dollars"
What is this...Fox News? Fix the article...editors and fact checkers. What, a news organization without either? Not a news organization then..
The fact is, it was $747 million...and Obama campaigned on the morality of public financing of campaigns, and claimed how moral he was to not rely upon "special interests" ....like all Obama promieses, it came with an expiration date.
The he took hundreds of millions from crooked Public employee unions, filthy rich trial lawyers and record amounts from Wall Street cronies.
bob he did wow..can we see some enfo
If I am not mistaken, Bobby's source for each and every contintion on this thread is printed in the RNC platform book of talking points; they ALL came from some wingnut's imagination.
And what about the time when the airman came into the bunker on 911 and told the gop vp 'we have aircraft radar lock. Aircraft at 50 miles, 30, 20, 10 miles. Order still stand? Gop vp - of course. Airman - aircraft has hit the pentagon. 200 military dead.' What was vp's order?
These Occupy wacko's don't want to hear political positions or logic. They think that disrupting meetings will allow them to continue their quest for entitlements from the Federal government.
They also know they have in President Obama, a person who believes that the Federal government should relieve you from personal responsibility for your own well being.
another Glenn beck customer
" ... These Occupy wacko's don't want to hear political positions or logic. ... "
Kind of reminds me of another group. Now if I could just remember who that group was. If I remember them correctly they displayed lost of fear, hate and ignorance. But I just can't seem to ....
Oh Yea! Now I remember. The Tea Baggers! You mean kind of like the Tea Baggers.
Oops.
Lol. For got about them didn't you. Kind of like you hope we forget G.W. Bush. Or wish that you could forget him.
Silly, silly Right in America. Just so damn funny.
hahaha
Didn't forget... just displaying the (old, stale) typical Republican double statndard.
And there was another group, too........I remember, it was Code Pink! I remember them sneaking into Congressional Hearings, camping out in Texas, protesting in parks and interrupting rallies.
The Tea Party never dressed in disguise to gain entry to an event, for the sole purpose of interrupting a speaker. Most Tea Party events were paid for, with permission and permits, and were relatively orderly.
Groups of every kind are allowed to voice their opinion in this country. We all have the right to assemble. We all have the right to free speech. Doing it in manner that is not obnoxious nor disrespectful can prove to be effective as well.
Mr. Romney was right to ask the protester to speak. I wonder if the OWS folks have a coherent message. I'd like to know what it is. It seems when someone tries to respond to their ......whatever it is they're doing......they shut down and cry foul.
Where have you been, Candice? Do you NOT hear OWS on every street corner? There are many items on their agenda...from saving people's homes (thanks to the Bush deregulation of Banks) to Stopping the erosion of our Bill of Rights by the Republican dominated Supreme Court. Oh, maybe, some of us citizens don't really care about the Bill of Rights anymore, eh? Most of us do and to that end, we will be LOUD, we will be CLEAR, and we will be HEARD. We are not there to debate, we are there because we have a RIGHT to be there and if you don't like the message? To bad, we don't like your republican policy and procedures and we are not sheep to be led to slaughter. Mitt just doesn't want anyone to know how much income tax he paid - or rather, how much he Didn't pay, lol.
Candice;
There is not room on this thread to answer your querry wanting to know what the coherent message of OWS is, but begin with this:
There has been no real accountability for the greed and fraud of Wall Streets big banks that caused the housing collapse.
Now, this nation is founded upon the self-evident truth that ALL are created equal. If you or I or any of the OWS individuals obtained money illegally, we would be investigated, prosecuted, and incarcerated. OWS is asking that, everyone being equal, an investigation be conducted and, if applicable, prosecutions pressed on the individuals responsible for the housing meltdown and subsequent economic crisis. Because the responsible parties are part of the "1%" they are likely to eschew investigation, prosecution and incarceration unless "the people" demand otherwise - cronyism is rampant.
Hopefully this will give you a basis to begin your education of OWS and the "99
%" positions and purpose.
Trust me, this IS just the tip of the iceberg. There is so very much more inequity, immorality, illegality and unfairness the OWS addresses.
Janis,
No, I don't hear OWS on every street corner anymore. When they did occupy the street corners and were asked what they wanted, barely a few offered anything coherent.
How does OWS propose people's homes be saved? The loan modification programs put together by both Bush and Obama have failed miserably. How would you save people's home, Janis?
The Supreme Court is ruling against Freedom of the Press, Assembly, Speech, the right to petition, the right to keep and bear arms, unreasonable searches, trial by jury, due process, eminent domain, cruel and unusual punishment and taken away States rights? Really? That's scary.
Certainly the OWS have the right to be heard. They have the absolute right to be loud and to be clear. But when they do so by disrupting events like the ones described today, aren't they trampling on the rights of the people who were exercising their rights to free speech and assembly?
Shouldn't everyone's rights be respected?
It's not that I don't like the message. I simply and truly don't know what it is.
Not as Stupid,
I totally agree those who were involved in the financial crisis should be held accountable.
The FBI is finally investigating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the context of criminal charges.
The SEC has filed fraud charges against the ex-CEO of Countrywide.
That's a start.
Unfortunately, the many causes of the financial collapse are so far and wide and encompassing, a good portion of the country would be thrown in jail if they went after everyone......from the bankers to the mortgage brokers, to the real estate agents and appraisers, the teachers, the home buyers, the investment bankers, the traders and even employees of the SEC who couldn't figure out what was going on.
I am totally with you on your view of illegal activities. Unfairness, though? No one I've heard can articulate what they would consider to be "fair."
You mean it is sort of like SCOTUS' position on pornography; "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."
It is not easy nor simple to verbalize.
Here is a post from another thread that may be helpful: someone asked:
My response:
The concept is age-old and clearly stated in the Bible as the second most important of God's commandments, "almost as important as the first..." Operative descriptive: EQUALITY. If it is done to me, it must also be done to YOU; If YOU are given an advantage or a benefit, I must also receive the identical benefit or advantage. To do otherwise promotes the "class war" so many wingnuts attempt to blame the President for (see Christie's remarks to OWS protestors, and Romney's diatribe/"message" to the President regarding his OWS interruption) when in reality it is THEY, attempting to remain "above" others who create that warfare.
Remember Leona Helmsley? One of the most notorious "1%ers" who clearly stated the 1%er attitude/lifestyle/belief. This is why we have OWS, and I will state unequivocalbly that I AM 100% IN AGREEMENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE MOVEMENT!
They are necessary to promote and achieve something that is long overdue: true equality and not simply "lip service" about freedom in America.
Every time someone drops that one I respond that taking away the loopholes which allow the very wealthy to pay a lower effective tax rate than the middle class would be a great way to start.
What's difficult to understand about that?
" ... "How about instead of shouting, ... "
Ok Mitt,, how about this one then ...
Where were you Mitt, when the Tea Party was doing the same/worse thing during the Healthcare "debate"? It's ok when your side does it to someone else? But when it's done to you?
Well at least we know where you stand. And it looks like it's not with the people. You remember the people don't you Mitt. As in ...
" We the People "
Naw, didn't think you did.
hahahaha..I love it
Good point, George. That is one I will remember and use, often. Thanks.
See my post @ 20.4 above.
Man! I am SOOOO sick and tired of that inequitable crap.
if mitt gets elected i just wanted to welcome the american people to the newest 3rd world country. then talk about left wing and right wing then!? mo-rons lol! we face problems and just cause your're not hurting now doesn't mean it can't catch you later. lets face the facts our country's government has too much power and corruption almost to the point where things are in "Gridlock" obama is starting to catch on now do what you have to do for the people and you got my vote. it seems our government is more worried about foreign affairs, tobacco, and where obama was born. right now lies won't get you elected so republicans/conservatives/rich people= bunch of liars to me. obama is getting re-elected so keep putting out those funny commercials and waste that little bit of money yall have left lmao! OBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMA!
oh and by the way Christie is governor of my state and we hate him everyone does he's arrogant for no reason and his take ON schools is ridiculous. crime is up near our resorts and people have no jobs. and also he just almost cut 2000 jobs at the vineland developmental center if we didn't pick-it he would've had his way. mitt and Chris are probably bestest of friends i bet they go job hunting alot together. won't be able to do that for long because pretty soon there won't be any jobs left to hunt for thanks to people like them! (and these are facts no BS)
Chris Christie isn't ALL bad. I heard rumor that he is going to personally create 74 jobs in Jersey when he opens his own jelly donut factory! I'm not sure how, but he even GUARANTEES enough sales to keep the factory going...
more like 74 jobs to help wash his back lol!
Why is it that all you tolerant liberals are the first ones to call people who disagree with you stupid? Why is your opinion they only one that matters? You go out of your way to insult any body from the TeaParty, but you think the OWS crowd can do no harm. Perhaps you should go to a Tea Party rally, then compare it to OWS. You will find, the park is clean, there is no nudity, drugs or police to break up the rally. I guess it all depends on what you think is ok.
We don't call the other side stupid because they disagree with us Mike, we call them stupid because it is painfully obvious that the republicans are up to no good. They are trying to implement even further, the policies which got us into this economic mess in the first place, and quite frankly, anyone who buys into their obvious negative agenda, and can't see that they are completely without any morals or integrity, IS stupid. They are fighting tooth and nail to oppress their fellow citizens and intentionally tank the economy in hopes they can blame the hurt on Obama. If not for people like you, who can't see what is right in front of their faces, they would not win a single seat.
You can't compare Tea Party to OWS. The Tea Party is what 1,000 strong? WE are 1,000,000+ strong and growing stronger everyday. BTW, Mr. Mike, the OWS is still occupying cities across this country - peacefully. Go down there one day - you can get a book out of our library - Politics by Aristotle would be a good one to start with.