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EXETER, NH -- Under the championship wrestling banners lining the walls of a high school gym here in Exeter tonight, Mitt Romney and Chris Christie got into verbal wrestling matches of their own with three separate sets of Occupy protesters.
"This is our regular group here," Romney said drily when a small group of Occupiers began to chant "Mitt Kills Jobs" midway through his speech.
As the group was being escorted out, Romney said it was "wonderful" to live in a country where people can express their views, but that he wished they would do it with "a little bit more courtesy."
When the protesters interrupted Christie minutes later with a similar chant, he was less accommodating.
"Really?" Christie asked, when the chants of "Christie Kills Jobs" began. "You know something may go down tonight but it ain't gonna be jobs, sweetheart."
Christie was interrupted just has he began to rail against a Washington culture of division, which he said was guided by President Obama, and he used the disruption to further his argument.
"I doubt he is, but I hope the president’s watching," Christie said. "I have a message for you Mr President: This is the type of disoriented anger your cynicism and your division is causing in our country. Bring our country together stop dividing it Mr. President."
Christie's clear delight at dealing with the protesters energized a crowd that the local police estimated to be more than 800 strong. That turnout number, if accurate, would make tonight's rally one of Romney's largest of the campaign thus far. But even as he shook hands with supporters who spilled over to an overflow room, Romney was confronted by one last Occupy protester, who continued to needle about the causes of the recession, Romney even as staff attempted to guide the candidate away. Romney instead turned back to face the protester head-on.
"You know what? This president has caused a deepening recession and is responsible for 25 million Americans being out of work or stopped working or not being able to get jobs," Romney said, before walking away. "And let me tell you, this president's been a failure and that's one of the reasons I'm running is to help you get a job."
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ALL MR. CRISCO'S PHILOSOPHY IS , GIVE TO THE RICH , AND TAKE FROM THE POOR . the ows movement is like a cold glass of iced tea , on a hot , midwestern day. can't get no better then that . AND LET THE '' OWS '' SAY '' AMEN ''.
Ron-1861300
I do think Christie is right when he says Obama is a very divisive president - more so than any president I can remember by a long shot (for me, this goes back to Ford). There are things Obama does that I agree with, but I am very disappointed in his constant class warfare - and he started as soon as he won the election, before even taking office.
You are so wrong and you lie like a rug. What started after he won election is the worst recession since the great depression. People started to wake up to what had been going on for 30 years and that was class warfare.
The Banks got us into this mess and then when the taxpayers bailed them out, they started foreclosing on the same taxpayer because they had lost their job due to businesses failing.
What happened was people finally started to see what was really going on. It was painfully clear that the policies that we all went along with just because we had a job that was geared toward the wealthiest of Americans, was finally out in the open when those same wealthy people played chicken with everyone else's money and when it proved fatal, they got bailed out. Started going back to doing the exact same thing that got us into this mess in the first place.
No, Wall Street divided us and have been for 30 years. It just took the lastest recession and the severitity of it to make the country wake up and realize what's been going on for 30 years. Obama just happened to get elected because it was time to change the hipocrisy and take the band aid off of what's been going on. And that is the demise of the middle class. You right republicans don't want to talk about it. Yes, they call it divisive because they want to keep the status quo after all, who does it help? The rich of course. So if you think President Obama is divisive, then you aren't thinking at all and that is just what the republicans want you to do. Not think!
It's time the economy worked for everybody and not just a small percentage. You have to be the change you want to see in the world. It's a national conversation that needs to be had and it will not go away just because republicans want it too. Afterall, they aren't hurting for anything so we should just shut up about it and blame everybody else but see the truth. No people are hurting and it's time to see it like it is, not how we want it to be.
Hey Angela,
It's the Democrats who do NOT want people to think.
"THINK" about this....Obama took 3.4 of all Wall Street donations .
What do you "think" that means ???????????
I just LOVE that the GOP/baggers blame President Obama for dividing this Country, then the next thing out of their mouths, is entitlements I mean these are programs that have been in place for 40+ years right? With the economic meltdown, and high unemployment, they call our President the foodstamp President? Who's failed polices and deregulation's got us in to this mess? Oh, that's right we can only give the Bush adm credit for things, we aren't allowed to criticize. But we have Fox News(faux noise) 24/7 to spread the lies and hate, and to continue to divide this country. GOP= HYPOCRITES
Republicans agree that Bush raised the debt and didn't make necessary reforms to programs like Medicare and Medicaid which are going bankrupt.
Instead, Bush put in place a Medicare plan for prescriptions, with a lot of help by Democrats.
BUT.......Obama made things worse.......and that's a fact.
ALL MR. CRISCO'S PHILOSOPHY IS , GIVE TO THE RICH , AND TAKE FROM THE POOR . the ows movement is like a cold glass of iced tea , on a hot , midwestern day. can't get no better then that . AND LET THE '' OWS '' SAY '' AMEN ''.
Christie you are another one of the prime examples of Generations X-Cess...
The worst individuals the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's have produced, combined that will destroy America..
The I got mine screw you, arrogant, never rich enough, greediest, self serving, group of people this World has ever plagued by.
Hey Mitt what you going to do sic bubble butt on anyone who disagrees with you.He's big but not that big
...the "Occupy" movement will advance into a terrorist assassination movement after Obama's re-election, with plausible denial by the administration...
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LEFT THE USA IN BANKRUPTCY ; president obama has worked tirelessly to keep america from going into a depression. he's killed usama, quadafi, and has his eyes on iran . he's brought the american troops home for christmas, and ended bush's own personal vietnam. and he's taken away all that american tax payers money, that bush was sending to the middle east. AND JUST THE TIMING HE'S DONE THIS IN, IS GIVING THE REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTIERS ' '' NIGHTMARES ''. 36 MONTHS , NEXT TO THE WMD ADMINISTRATIONS 8 WHOLE YEARS OF FAILURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET'S GIVE OUR PRESIDENT A HAND, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, and he also just signed a bill into law that allows any US citizen deemed a 'terrorist' (and yes, the government gets to define what that means) to be detained indefinitely with total suspension of all of their rights.
He is no better than Bush. He is just doing different things that are just as damaging to America, in different ways.
Do your homework. I know that it is emotionally easier to believe in Superman, but these are hard times and hard decisions ahead. This is no time for fantasy.
Isn't this what the repubs said in the last election??? If they didn't deliver then, what makes anyone think they will deliver this next time around heh heh. As for the rest of the article, goes to show the arrogance of the 1% LOL. No democrat or republican will get my vote, I'm a proud member of OWS heh heh
Good for you - so you believe the following statement -
"You have more than I do, and that isn't fair, so give me some of what you have."
Do you agree with the above statement?
Do any of you understand how much this division is hurting the country? This is pathetic - we have allowed ourselves to be so badly polarized that the elites are easily able to play us off of each other. So no matter who you support, Obama or one of the Republicans, the elites win, AGAIN.
Do you know that they are laughing at all of us "Sheeple" every single day? And guess what? It has taken us more than 50 years to dig ourselves into this mess, and you are out of your mind if you think you can lay the entire blame with ANY one US President - they were ALL working for the elites. They ALL did damage to the economy. They are ALL in the pockets of the large corporations.
Obama was a pretty bad president. So was Bush. Who was worse? Does it really matter? We need RADICAL change - not another smooth talking, blow dried, jerkoff!!!
Romney will pound Barry in the general.
The only thing Romney's capable of pounding is his........
Devon-4058088
Nope, I worked all my life for what I have heh heh. I'm a retired farm worker on SS now LOL but thanks for the suggestion heh heh. Also, thanks for the encouragement on being a proud OWS member lol. You forgot to add if I wouldn't mind if the repubs take away my SS either heh heh which I paid into all my life. I'm also an honest man, much better than the thieves we have as politicians LOL
So do you have a cogent point other than: Repubs bad, Dems GOOD!!"
Because I have a very specific statement: Polarization like we are seeing on this discussion board is DESTROYING America. It is allowing the elites to pit us against each other, so there will never be a clear consensus that the US government is clearly broken, on BOTH sides.
And you are a perfect example of that. In your mind, have the Repubs ever done anything good? Have the Dems ever done anything bad???
Have you ever had an original thought in your head that wasn't fed to you through a spoon?
You are a retired farm worker, so you have seen the damage that factory farming can do. It destroys soil, is inhumane towards animals, and it created crap food with little nutrition. Factory farmed food is destroying the health and environment of this country, and that is a fact. And guess what? It is 50 years of Presidents who have allowed factory farming to become what it is, Repubs and Dems.
So who is to blame??? Guess what? YOU and ME!!! We allowed this to happen because we were asleep! And who is going to save us? You honestly think that ANY politician cares about you at all?? or me, for that matter??
It is up to us to save ourselves, and the first step is for us to start THINKING for ourselves! (something you clearly are NOT doing)
Get a freaking clue man.
Devon-I totally agree. The problem is finding an "honest Abe" type to put in the White House. Off hand I can not think of a single President (other than Abe) that has come from the working class. Politics is a rich person's game. America will always be run by a 1% president. To be honest I'm put off by all political parties and politicians. What kind of choice do WE THE PEOPLE really have? Seriously-they all lie, they all have personal agendas, they all support Wall street and insurance companies and drug companies and Big Business-I cant see where WE THE PEOPLE or America's welfare are a priority with ANYONE in D.C.
When it comes to grandiose liars no one can compare with Romney and Christie!
The Publican (Re & Tea) party put out nation in the debt we are in and legislated such that they single handed brought us into the Great Recession. Neither Romney or Christie could give a damn about all the good people suffering the consequences of the Republican Great Recession, second only to the Republican Depression of the 1930's! Just facts folks!
concernedusa - LOL, so those are FACTS, huh? Nice facts.
So there was no national debt before the advent of the Tea Party?
By the time that the Baby Boomer generation passes away, they will have used fully HALF of all the natural resources on the planet. And they are Rebublicans and Democrats. I will say this until I am blue in the face, but if you are a demagogue from EITHER side, you are a large part of the problem. If you are a Democrat and the Dems said to jump off a bridge, would you? Would you buy any BS story they tell you, just because you are 'one of them?'
Same goes for Repubs, if Hitler ran as a Republican in 2012, would you vote for him and say "It is the lesser of two evils' or "Anyone is better than Obama?"
Are any of you even listening? Is there anyone out there who is willing to THINK a little bit? Do some research for God's sake!
More and more people vote as Independents and the reason is exactly what you are talking about.
Soon, there will be only independent voters. That would be an improvement over what we have now. The politicians will not be able to hide behind party politics. They will have to define every single issue.
Yes Leona! YES!!!!!!!
Devon-4058088
Figures, a kid heh heh. Has no idea what he's talking about LOL
It sort of takes the fun out of things when we don't have someone to blame, doesn't it?
Because the ones who deserve the most blame for the mess we are in, is us. We let this happen. We believed what the huckster politicians told us. We wanted to believe all their lies because they were comforting. "All you have to do is elect me, and I will fix everything." How may times have we heard that? How many times did it turn out to be a lie? Every single time.
And now, we are the only ones who can fix this. And the first step in acknowledging that both political parties are corrupt and do not have the best interests of the American people at heart.
LOL - nice one, canoworms, you really got me there! At 35 years old I just have no idea what I'm talking about!
I tell you though, I would be a lot more impressed with an actual response to my specific points. That would really blow my little childish mind!!!
I agree with devon4058088!!! I also say not only do research but listen to them!!! Listen to how after David Gregory or some of the moderators ask them questions and they'll be non-chalant about the answer. The right to work state question was a good example of that Santiorum and Perry and Mitt were all trying to say "Hey we're cool with unions and we worked well unions" and yet the first people they're going to cut down on as far as receiving federal funding are union backed employees (teachers, firefighters, policemen, HUD, EPA, Energy, Commerce) all of these places are subsidized by the federal government and have unions. Listen to them talk about Iran and what they'll do and you know within the first three month's they're in office they'll be starting a war with iran. When it comes to other programs (housing assistance, planned parenthood, food stamps, unemployment, family assistance, medicaid) they're either going to be elimanated totally or be block granted to the states and let them make the decision who qualifiy's to receive these benefits pitting the poor agaunist each other. My opinion of course. But it's kind of a common sense thing since I know for a fact that if given the chance instead of people making 1134 or less are eligible for food stamp benefits whether thy'er working or not you will see that number cut-down to 1000 dollars or less. Unemployment benefits will be if you worked for a year straight instead of six months. You know things that's are going to make it tougher for people survive without begging for a job. And that's what they want America people on there hands and knees again begging for jobs again.
Agreed! Both sides want the US population to be less independent in every way. People on their knees are easier to rule over.
Neither party has a monopoly on bad ideas. Hell, it's almost impossible to figure out what these guys are really saying - like Jeffrey is saying, they almost are talking in code words now. They say nothing of substance.
I will take all comers on this issue. I will take on anyone ignorant enough to try and make a stupid point about how this mess is somehow the fault of either one party or the other.
To say something like that is the absolute height of willful ignorance. And the funny thing is that a VAST majority of people on this thread is saying exactly that. I doubt if there is any hope for us at all, honestly. But I'm going down swinging as the last of the people on this freaking PLANET with any common sense!!!!
Yep, looks like they will get us jobs..............but thats all for the people, the rest goes to the beyond the American Dream wealthy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats just wrong, don't let the greed lead, we don't want to go there.........
Wow, poor Kriste Kreme was throwing his considerable weight around and trying to sound like the tough guy from Jersey Shore? What a laugh! The arrogance and sense of entitlement of these politicians when addressing citizens of this country who hold views contrary to theirs is not what America is about. But Kristie Kreme was probably right in his remark about "something going down" and it probably was him going down on his boy toy, Romney.
You had better not be named after the awesome Indie Musician - because she would be embarrassed by your childish name calling. Christie has done pretty well in a difficult situation, and he is about as honest of a politician that you can find today.
Calling Christie "Kriste Kreme" is the same as when a racist Republican calls Obama "Hussein" or "OBOMO" or whatever.
So, good on you for elevating the dialogue. You have embarrassed yourself, and everyone else reading your pointless, childish comment.
Looking back through these posts, I sometimes see a brief cry in the wilderness - Domingo La Torre, YESSSSS!!!
Other people are starting to realize that this whole two party system is a sham, a racket. It is designed to keep us under control. As long as the two parties can just trade power back and forth, nothing will change. It is like saying to your kid - "I can either hit you in the head or kick you in the butt - which would you prefer?" If they just got hit in the head, they would probably be pretty adamant about not wanting that outcome again, so they would probably choose the other. But in reality, BOTH choices suck.
What if the situation warrants something different?
Yes indeed, Devon - the two-party system is a sham. Look at the so-called "wedge" issues and none of them really have impact - they just make for good ideological talking points. Abortion - overturn Roe v. Wade - and it goes back to the States - and virtually nothing changes. But that's a great crumb to give the masses something to argue about. Other "wedge" issues: God, gays, guns, and capital punishment. No real pending legislation on any of it (especially at the federal level), but people are still passionately arguing with their fellow Americans over these issues like they really matter....while they're getting screwed by both parties.
It's called "divide-and-conquer". Age-old trick.
Yes Bob! I can't even explain how great it feels to know that I am not the only sane person left on the planet - we may be few and far between but at least we exist!!!
Christie and Romney act as if the OWS protesters are Obama supporters, or that Pres Obama put them up to it somehow. Are they so out of touch with current events to be unaware of the fact that the majority of the OWS people support RON PAUL for Pres?
Christie needs to lose a LOT of weight, btw.
What is it with people and Christie's weight? When you resort to name calling you have lost the argument. This is probably coming from the same people who were so offended by the Georgia ad campaign about childhood obesity.
And you know something, Arlene? You had almost made a coherent point! But then the dumb weight comment just made you look childish.
The OWS protesters are ranting at the wrong people. They blame the 1% , the so called "rich", for everything.
Instead, the OWS should blame bloated govt, and the desire of the govt. to TAX and SPEND our money. We over regulate, over tax and prevent businesses from hiring. That's why businesses are moving out of states like Calif.(D) and moving to Texas(R)....not to mention, overseas.
Free enterprise made this country great and we lost our way. We are headed for European style Socialism........as if the riots in Greece look good.
It's a FACT. The man needs to lose a WHOLE LOT of weight. He cut jobs in his state - people are suffering. He cut the public school budget in his state, yet he thinks the tax payers of NJ can afford to shuttle his AMPLE weight around on a freaking HELICOPTER. I'll say it again: Christie needs to lose a LOT of weight. I don't think he got that heavy on a Ramen Noodle diet - the daily meal of many impoverished CHILDREN in this nation.
If you have a problem with facts, don't whine to me about it.
People seem to forget that the government subsidized Enron. They blame capitalism itself, which is not at fault.
They forget that, even now, the government subsidizes corn in such a way that farmers sell it for less than it costs them to grow it. That is why our food is crap, it is filled with corn syrup, and the fact that we feed livestock with corn and not grass necessitates the insane use of antibiotics on feed lots.
The government has overregulated things so much that a cattle farmer could starve to death surrounded by thousands of cows, because it is illegal for him to butcher a cow on his own property for his family.
People forget that the 2008 crisis was caused when the government, in this case the Democrats (not that it matters, I just want to point out that one side is just as bad as the other), decided to lend money to people who had bad credit. The banks wouldn't do it on their own so the govt subsidized it. And then we all had to pay for all the people who bought houses they couldn't afford.
We paid for bank bailouts and AIG bailouts, starting with W.
Now you are just embarrassing yourself, Arlene. How do you propose that we continue to pay for these bloated budgets? If I could, I could give every American a Pony and some Cotton Candy, but I cannot afford that and neither can the country.
Let me guess - your job involves sucking at the government teat in some way. You are either a teacher or social worker of some kind? The teacher's unions have gotten so bloated and powerful that they will not even allow us to get rid of the 10% worst teachers, which would hugely help the US school system. The superintendents are paid like politicians, and what do they do exactly?
And enough about the weight - we want a leader, not a freaking fitness instructor!
You can take your teabaggy attitude and shove up where your head already is. What's your problem? Afraid to admit that your're a teabagger? Their approval rating has SUNK all the way down to 5% - I'd be ashamed to admit it if I were one of you too.
What's your problem with teachers? You think teachers should have to pay for W's blunders? Or how about the elderly? Or poor kids?
Go to hell, teabagger.
AND CHRISTIE IS A FAT SLOB.
A man who can't control his own weight is no kind of "leader" material. He can't control his mouth any better, btw.
And Arlene - don't even get me started on the poor CHILDREN!!! Do you have any idea how much the US government has SCREWED children in the last 50 years? And the public school children is a joke! The poor kids living in the inner cities, where do you think they came from? Who do you think PUT them there?
The government! BOTH parties! You are a freaking joke! Don't talk to me about facts when you know none! You want the public schools to feed the children? Are you out of your mind? Do you know the kind of poison they are feeding these kids in schools? You know that recently, the US government is calling Pizza a 'vegetable' in school lunches! That poor celebrity check Jamie Oliver literally cried his eyes out when he saw what schools were feeding these kids!
Do you really think public schools are the answer? We are a joke internationally, and lots of kids can't even read a freaking map!
And you want more money for schools? Why???? So they can take more of our resources and screw up our kids more?
So many kids are on ADD drugs now, and for what? Our most creative kids are being DRUGGED until they are comatose little zombies, and who is driving these recommendations? TEACHERS!!!!! Because they are so bad at their jobs that they can't handle it when a little boy or girl actually has some CURIOSITY AND ENERGY!!!
Do you know what ADD drugs do to kids in the long term? It takes away all ambition, all the 'fire in their belly' - these kids will never be the same, all so some lazy teacher can have a quieter day.
Please, go back under whatever rock you crawled out from.
Arlene - I was a LIBERTARIAN before the Tea Party even existed. I can take care of myself and I expect others to do the same. I take responsibility for my actions and I expect others to do the same. I pay my own way and I expect others to do the same.
What is it that you believe, exactly? To just give and give until none of us has anything left? To have a whole nation of wimpy little people who cannot survive on their own?
Because I would LOVE to just pay everyone's way, but we do not have the money. And the problem is that the more you help someone, the more dependent on that help they become. And that is demoralizing for a lot of people, and they don't try as hard.
Do you agree that there should be a tax penalty for being married? Do you agree with the fact that we are actually DISCOURAGING families from getting married? What do you think that does to the men of impoverished families? For their women to tell them "I don't need you, you are just a sperm donor, the US government will pay my bills."
http://www.thrivemovement.com/the_problem-follow_the_money
Their all Central Bank employees
Romney has so much corporate money up his ass, his lips move when he opens his mouth. The words coming out are the Republican talking points, sprinkled with reasons why he flip flopped on any and everything, he ever said. Republican presidents, since Ford, have raised the national debt and the budget, while supporting Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Veteran's Benefits, Corporate tax breaks, food stamps, Unemployment Benefits and welfare to unwed mothers. Now, suddenly, its all Obama's fault because the budget is in the trillions. Well if Romney is elected, or any other Republican, they can give all the asinine excuses they want, when they raise the budget. The non-partisan, Congressional Budget Office projects an increase in the national debt for the next decade, thanks to the baby boomers using the retirement benefits, they earned and the Republicans will continue to try to take away. LOL Keep sucking on the Fux news tit...drones!
every point you made is somewhat correct about the debt......except you left out the most important detail.......OBAMA MADE THINGS WORSE.
That's the "most important detail" if you want one of your pathetic candidates to win, isn't it? Too bad it isn't entirely true.....
Obama saved a world, economic melt down!