S.C. takes its cues from Iowa, N.H., before deciding

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- While voters in South Carolina frequently tout their independence from those in Iowa and New Hampshire, that doesn’t mean they ignore the results of those states’ primary contests.

No candidate since 1980 has won South Carolina without first winning one of the two earlier states, and interviews with voters before Tuesday’s caucus, and follow-ups the next day, suggested that Iowa’s outcome -- a razor-thin margin between Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, and low tallies for several other candidates – was not ignored in the Palmetto State.

Before Tuesday’s vote, Denise Ward, a 44-year-old office manager at a Columbia elementary school, said she thought the Republican field looked like a “big, murky pond,” although she said she had narrowed her sights down to Romney and Newt Gingrich, never mentioning Santorum.

The day after the vote, however, Ward said the former Pennsylvania senator’s photo finish with Romney gave her “a moment to pause and think, ‘whoa, I’ve got a lot of thinking to do.’” That bears out in polling today when Santorum went from just 4% a month ago in a CNN/Time/Opinion Research poll to 19% and second place today. 

And while she didn’t seem quite ready to give up on Gingrich, she expressed concern that the former House speaker might not be able to revive his campaign before he comes to South Carolina.

“I don’t think it looks good for him if he doesn’t do well in Iowa and New Hampshire,” she said. (Gingrich took a nosedive in the poll out today, going from a commanding 43% and first place to third and 18%.)

The candidate expected to do well in the Granite State – Romney – was given favorable, albeit begrudging, consideration by several other South Carolinians the evening before the caucus. 

“I dislike them all, but I’m going to vote, so I’m going to have to pick one,” said Eddie Bagwell, a 77-year-old retired barber from the Upstate Greenville County. After the caucus, Bagwell said he was “bordering on Mitt Romney,” because “the object of the game is to put a candidate in office that will beat the Democrats.”

Bagwell added that Romney’s Mormon faith was not a deal-breaker for him. “They’ve got a pretty strict  doctrine,” he said of the LDS faith. “As a Baptist, I’ve heard some people complain about it, but personally, I don’t see anything wrong with it.”

Romney saw a big boost in the CNN/Time poll. He now sits in first place with 37%, up from 20% a month ago.

Carolyn Lindler, a 71-year-old retiree from Newberry County in the state’s Midlands, was also lukewarm toward Romney, saying she preferred Gingrich but doubted his general-election prospects.  

“No. 1 for me would be Gingrich, but I will vote for Romney,” she said on Monday, before the Iowa caucus.

Lindler's hesitation on Gingrich was further solidified after the results came in early Wednesday morning. “I was at least hoping Newt would come in second,” she said, referring to Gingrich's fourth-place finish in Iowa, in a follow up interview with First Read.

Lindler also said she liked Santorum, but “he’s got too much pork,” she said, referring to his support of earmarks during his congressional tenure.  

While Lindler said she’d still likely vote for Romney, she was dismayed at what she characterized as a choice between the most electable candidate and the best potential president.

“I see more people voting not for who they think is the best man, but for who the best man is to beat Obama,” she said. “And that’s really sad, but it’s the situation that we’ve caught ourselves up in.”

But another Gingrich supporter, James Blaine, a 58-year-old truck driver from Berkeley County, in the southern part of the state, said he wasn’t ready to give up on his preferred candidate. An Iowa native, Blaine said of the caucus results, “My Iowans let me down.”

Dennis Stratton, a retiree from Lexington County, also said he would base his vote only on personal preference. A Rick Perry supporter, who said he liked the Texas governor’s military service, Stratton also voted for Mike Huckabee in 2008. Huckabee won Iowa, but finished second in South Carolina.

“I want to throw my hat in the ring for the person I like the best," he said, "and I think every American ought to do that."

Stratton also said he wasn’t swayed by Sen. John McCain’s endorsement of Romney (the two campaigned together in Charleston today) -- despite McCain's war-hero credentials. “It’s one moderate endorsing another one that tends to be a little more moderate,” he said.

Not all voters woke up disappointed by Wednesday’s results. Billy Chasteen, a 72-year-old retiree from the Midlands’ Calhoun County, said he was glad to see Rick Santorum, his preferred candidate before the caucus, come in virtually tied with Romney.

“Right now he’s still my man,” Chasteen said, adding, however, that he was unsure of the negative attacks Santorum’s opponents have in their arsenal. “I don’t know anything on him yet. It’s going to get bad before it gets better.”

Chasteen also said that Santorum’s Catholicism, in a state where only a small minority practices the religion, was not an issue for him. “I have a lot of Catholic friends," he joked. "They just believe different from what I do. Maybe we can get him converted!”

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For almost every Republican, in the end, this is the year of ABO.

We can't afford another 4 more years of high unemployment, high national debt, the greatest Party divide since the civil War, Union thugery , "green" project money pits, another s&p downgrade and a blind eye to border security with our own govt. taking the States to court.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM EST

The Republican party is ostricizing enough of its own supporters it might as well be suicide.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST

Apparently, in your world of GOPism, everything was rosey from 2001-2008, the economy was rip-roaring fine under Bush, no unfunded wars driving up the debt, no funding of one single piece of legislation the GOP passed. Never mind the economy tanked big time while Bush was President. Never mind he charged everything to the nation's credit card. Never mind the Great Recession began in Dec 2007. Never mind Bush was losing jobs by the thousands every month a year before President Obama was elected. That's right, Leona, ignore all of that and blame it on President Obama.

Obama/Biden 2012!!!

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#1.2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:31 PM EST

hey Jody,

Put the kool aid down, it's bad for your brain cells.

The Blame Bush game is old....

After 3 years of Obama...............THINGS are WORSE.

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#1.3 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:56 PM EST

Hey Leona,

Put the coorporate money back in the bank.

It was Bush that tanked the economy.

After 3 years of Obama ........... The unemployment rate is going DOWN!

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 9:17 AM EST

@ Jody in Iowa - All that you have stated is true, but you left out the part where Obama has tripled Bush's numbers and Obamacare hasn't even taken effect yet. In addition, the fedreal government is growing exponentially under Obama. Jody, you're going to feel like an idiot for backing Obama again after it's all said and done. I was inspired in 2008 by Obama and voted for him, but unlike you, I'm smart enough to learn from my mistakes.

    #1.5 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:26 PM EST
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    Let's see, all that chatter that Iowa is irrelevant, yet after Iowa, NH and SC see the results and rethink their options. Iowa's results may not change someone's mind but obviously, they stop and think a bit more.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:22 PM EST

    I was thinking the same thing, Jody, see, Iowa IS important in choosing a nominee. Everyone respects Iowans!

    • 4 votes
    #2.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM EST

    Unless Ron Paul would have won; then Iowa would have been booted from the union.

      #2.2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:32 PM EST

      And they are nice people. I think it is great that the early caucus and primary state people take this so seriously.

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      #2.3 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:35 PM EST

      I think Iowan's are a lot like Rodney Dangerfield, we "don't get no respect" but apparently they still listen.

      • 2 votes
      #2.4 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:36 PM EST
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      People in SC HAVE minds? Who knew?

        Reply#3 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:36 PM EST

        Now, that wasn't nice.

        ......But I don't expect an Obama supporter to be nice.

        Obama's voters use with name calling because they have nothing else to say.

        They cant say " Obama's brought prosperity and jobs back to the U.S." or "Obama's a great leader who works with the other Party to get things done."

        • 3 votes
        #3.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM EST

        I'm from SC and I'm surprised the R's have minds. Do some research on the Govenor they elected. Only got elected as the R's push the straight party button without thinking about the candidate.

          #3.2 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 9:22 AM EST

          Torch,

          Enough liberal drivel and lies.

          Gov. Haley cares about So.Carolina . That's a heck of a lot more than we can say about Obama. Obama is taking Boeing to court to stop them from creating 1000 NON Union jobs in that state.

          Obama is a JOB KILLING President and a Union lackey.

          Harry Reid leads the "Senate of No" ( "NO" to all Repub bills)

          Nancy "insider trading" Pelosi tells us she's for "the little people" ( that's a laugh since she and her relatives are getting rich from "green" money pits on the tax payers dime)

          Biden is a gaffe machine.

          The "Liberals of Oz" need to go !! ( Tin Man Obama, "Dorothy" Pelosi , Harry "Lion" Reid and Joe "Scarecrow" Biden ).

          • 1 vote
          #3.3 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST
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          "Before Tuesday’s vote, Denise Ward, a 44-year-old office manager at a Columbia elementary school, said she thought the Republican field looked like a “big, murky pond,”

          No, JoAnne - you will NOT post what you're thinking...... :)

          • 2 votes
          Reply#4 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 5:18 PM EST

          In the end.........it's ABO.

          • 2 votes
          #4.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 6:20 PM EST
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          NBC today ( Chuck,Mark & Domenico) : "it is absolutely clear that (Obama) and his team want a fight with Congress -- and any legal challenge that comes with it. "

          This is so UN American..........for a President (Obama) to be looking for a fight with Congress instead of looking to bridge gaps between the Parties in order to do "the people's business" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Not to mention, in 2008 Obama was running around the country saying "I will rise above the partisan divide in Washington....bla bla bla "

          HYPOCRITE.

            Reply#5 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 7:03 PM EST

            The only thing illegal is the Republican Party and their attempt to over throw the Government. Your just plain stupid go get your bottle and drink yourself into a stupor moron.

            • 1 vote
            #5.1 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST

            @ uaw - The republican party is not looking to over throw the government. And you're calling other people stupid? I hope "uaw" are your initials and not the union in which you're a member. Otherwise, I, the taxpayer, would appreciate a "thank you" for your bailout which allowed you to keep your job for you to pay for your internet service to write such stupid posts. If not, then I apologize, but it still doesn't excuse you from making stupid comments.

              #5.2 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:37 PM EST
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              I hear south Carolina is offering free liqour to the moonshiners to get them to vote.

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              Reply#6 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST

              Obama 2012...get used to it...

              Line up the Republicans on that stage in the debates and it is a joke.....!!

              They fight, they call each other names....real presidential material...!!!!!

              2016 maybe if they can come up with some real gentlemen who can be president then they might have a chance......

              Rick S. wants the US to be ruled by men not law ...particularly right-wing evangelical men

              Religion and Politics do not mix......America will not go for that....too many people have died in this country to go back to the stone ages where the right wing wants to take us....

              No SS, Medicare, no Medicade, and replace them with faith based initiatives. is this a country or a church..????

                Reply#7 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST

                @ areuserious - Do you really think Santorum will be the Republican nominee? If so, you're just as big of an idiot as I was for voting for Obama in 2008. It will be Mitt or Ron. Newt and Santorum have waaaaaaaay too much baggage. Don't make the same mistake twice. I didn't vote for Bush twice and I'm a Republican. You don't have to vote for Obama twice either.

                  #7.1 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:46 PM EST
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                  Let's see...they torpedoed Cain....(so now I can't vote for him...he quit), Bachmann Quit after all the promises and crap she put out...(so now I can't vote for her), and the only constitutionalist left, the only real conservative, is Ron Paul. I mean, honestly..Romney? Gengrich? Santorum? Conservatives? Give me a break! They are liberals who shovel money into the pockets of their rich constituents.

                  I'm tired of seeing fascists ruining this country. Fascists like Bush and Obama, like Clinton and Bush Sr.

                  I'm voting for Ron Paul...if he don't quit and don't die.

                    Reply#8 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 4:58 PM EST

                    Your right, SC took its "Q" from IOWA and NH. The mexican, corporate puppet Romney doesn't stand a chance with the South Carolinians, except for their unpopular governor and a handful of corporates. He wants to cut taxes for the corporate & the rich and INCREASE TAXES for the middle-class which is already heading for the poor class. The American People of the United States want their country back! It's time for change, and that time is NOW!! NOT LATER,BUT RIGHT NOW!!

                      Reply#9 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 8:21 PM EST

                      This is the most biased article I've read to date! Huckabee is mentioned, McCain even, and Mr. placing #4 in Iowa. MSNBC should be banned from the airwave for not even an honorable mention of RON PAUL. You people are going to cause rioting in the streets. RON PAUL 2012

                        Reply#10 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 8:56 PM EST
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