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CONCORD, NH -- GOP presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman today strongly objected to a video made by an apparent Ron Paul supporter about his two adopted daughters and his ability to speak Mandarin Chinese.
"It's just stupid," he told a group of college students today. "If someone wants to poke fun at me for speaking Chinese, that's okay. What I object to is bringing forward pictures and videos of my adopted daughters, suggesting that there is some sinister motive there."
Huntsman went onto describe how 12-year-old Gracie, who often appears on the campaign trail at his side, was found in a vegetable market in China and taken to an orphanage, from which Huntsman and his wife Mary Kaye adopted her. At campaign stops throughout New Hampshire, Huntsman often playfully introduces Gracie his "senior foreign policy adviser."
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The video, posted by a user named NHLiberty4Paul on YouTube, questions Huntsman's American values and calls him a "Manchurian candidate," before showing Huntsman with a Mao Zedong suit super imposed on his likeness. The video also features images of him with his adopted daughters Gracie Mei and Asha, who were born in China and India, respectively.
Yesterday, Huntsman's campaign spokesman Tim Miller condemned the video as "offensive" and called on Ron Paul and the people who created the video to apologize to the Huntsman family.
The Paul campaign immediately responded and called the video "utterly distasteful."
"Anyone who would post something like this is clearly not a supporter of Dr. Paul's principles," said Kate Schackai, Paul's New Hampshire media coordinator.
The user did not immediately respond with comment, and NBC News has not yet been able to confirm if NHLiberty4Paul is indeed a Paul supporter.
When asked whether Paul himself should apologize, Huntsman told reporters, "If the group is in any way affiliated with his organization of course he should. It's just political campaign nonsense. It happens from time to time."
But ever the diplomat, Huntsman steered the conversation to a larger lesson, telling his college-aged audience that Gracie and Asha are "a daily reminder that there are a lot of kids in this world who don't have the breaks that you do and who face a very, very uncertain future that lacks health care that lacks the ability to dream and plan and any sense of upward mobility."
"Now these two girls are on the presidential campaign trail," Huntsman said. "I say, how cool is that?"
Huntsman's oldest three daughters have been particularly active on Twitter, campaigning for their dad as the @Jon2012girls.
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It's a shame people get petty in their attacks instead of focusing on the candidate and his positions. This isn't reality TV or a sports team rivalry...it's our future and it deserves thoughtful debate.
... just not going to happen.
It is a shame, and such attacks should be summarily ignored.
But the problem is they are not. In fact we now have FR giving this one more air time.
If everyone, including the media ignore this crap - particularly U Tube drivel it'd go away, or at least be unnoticed.
So let's talk about something else, shall we?
Spanky... no
Hey ideolog - congrats on getting collapsed last night...
I told you, if you hung around with me long enough, it was a sure thing! lol
Messy bedroom & all! ;o)
Well, Huntsman brought it up. To his credit, though, his response was well thought out.
Now, as you said, time to move on.
hey Feisty ... point me too it ... I want to frame it.
Ask & you shall receive!
Make sure to put a gold star on it! ;o)
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/05/9985080-santorum-booed-in-contentious-exchange-over-gay-marriage?last=1325873400&threadId=3312726&sp=0&pc=25#c61299956
Hi Feisty,
You guys got collapsed big time last night. I guess those folks can't handle the truth.
Aw heck, they collapsed Monty Python ... sheesh, these guys are responsible for every advance in freedom of speech on television comedy shows over the last 50 years.
I know... right? lol
The collapse cowards do seem to multiply rapidly after dark!
Kind of like cockroaches...
The collapse cowards do seem to multiply rapidly after dark!
Kind of like cockroaches...
Oh, so true.
Well when you call someone an ass hole, you are probably going to get collapsed.
Job1, why aren't you in school? Try to sign up for that American Government class yet?
Like I told you last night WCA - if the sphincter fits...
PS: You wear it well...
Wives and children should be off-limits. This should be an unwritten, unspoken rule to which all candidates, and their supporters adhere.
It's finally time for all of the deliberately oblivious Ron Paul supporters to confront this issue.
The guy may be for legalizing marijuana and keeping the sex police out of your bedroom, but he has a few other glaring flaws, like ....
He wants to repeal the Americans with Disabilities Act. He doesn't like the Civil Rights Act, either, and claims it's because it infringes on "private property rights."
This little bit of information about Paul's attack on Huntsman, coupled with his isolationist foreign policy positions, together with those memos he wrote back in the day, but says he never read, make me say,
Xenophobia strikes deep ....
Wives and children should be off-limits. This should be an unwritten, unspoken rule to which all candidates, and their supporters adhere.
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There WAS....but that ship sailed long ago. It's a brave new world where privacy is gone and nothing is off-limits, and it isn't about to revert back anytime soon...
Gotta laugh though, that it is Repub on Repub. Is this what St. Torum is afraid of we he screams about man on dog? At least we get to watch this round of republicans eating/devouring their own. Let's hope the democrat/republican fight doesn't degenerate to this lowest form of political one-upmanship.
In the defence of Dr Paul, I'd have to say it was just some YouTube idiot kid that thought it was funny. With all the other issues Paul has, and the fact that Huntsman isn't even in this race, that would be my guess. Still, it's pretty tasteless.
Fiesty,
You're in the wrong line of business. You should be a stand-up comedian! I don't know where you get these lines, but they're hilarious.
Anna Molly,
Good to have you back--I missed you. In fact, I think I can speak for everyone on the left when I say we all missed you. And the proof is right there in post #1.15, which clearly shows why we should be scared of Ron Paul.
Thank you Ursula.
And while our views probably differ in many ways, I want to thank you for your thoughtful comments and the way you present your perspective.
You know why no one collapes your posts Jack?
Nobody cares.
Disgusting. Up there with the slander against McCain's adopted child the last time around.
To change the subject are there any comments from the Administration's supporters on this little nugget.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/nyregion/senator-robert-menendez-stalls-obama-move-to-promote-judge-patty-shwartz.html?_r=1
I probably won't vote in November because NJ will go for the President but if this guy has a chance of losing I'll be there. Menendez and Lautenburg (who replaced Toracelli), possibly the two worst Senators in the Senate. We haven't had a good one since Bradley.
Alan, NJ, Not voting is irresponsible.Please go vote.
Jon Huntsman was right to hit back hard on this; and FR was right to post Huntsman's comments here so that such dispicable conduct on the part of Ron Paul supporters gets exposed for what it is.
Alan, NJ, nope haven't heard any administration comment about the Menendez rumblings to stall an appointment but my thought is why would they comment--Congress isn't in session, Menendez can't do anything but blow smoke right now.
Anna Molly....Happy New Year, good to see back you have been missed.
If he can't stand the heat tell him to get out of the kitchen. Everything is fair game in politics these days.
Anna Ron Paul would do more for minorities in one day than the last 6 presidents combined. You do know that he will let out all the non-violent drug fellons out of prison right? And you know that the drug laws are racist right? And please use the propper term when discussing Dr. Paul's foreign policy. It is called NON-INTERVENTIONISM. There is a reason our soldiers prefer Ron Paul to all of the other candidates. Our soldiers are sick of seeing their friends killed. They are sick of having limbs blown off. They are sick of other countries problems.
Uhhh. . . correction. The laws aren't racist; the enforcement and prosecution of them is.
Jack: Either way Ron Paul would make a lot of people of all races very happy. Freedom is very popular.
penalties for crack cocaine as opposed to powdered cocaine are more severe in most states and federally I believe as well.
One could argue that those are racist.
I forget, which type of Cocaine did Obama use, Crack or powder?
oh for pete's sake:
I am not a fan of the 'good' doctor,...here are some quotes and votes:
"Don’t ask, don’t tell is a decent policy for gays in army. (Jun 2007)
Tamper-proof I.D. for immigrants is a bad idea. (Jan 2006)
Gender-equal pay violates idea of voluntary contract. (Dec 1987) Close Dept. ...of Education, but don’t dismantle public schools. (Dec 2007)
and some votes: Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998) Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997) Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003) Just to armchair quarterback Paul,...I'd say he is overly simplistic on the issues that face AVERAGE Americans. He wants to dismantle fairness by regulation on the naive belief that the 'system' is ultimately fair enough. I'm sorry; but dismantling Department of Education will merely insure that those who are predisposed to fall through the cracks WILL in fact fall through the cracks. Giving TAX Breaks and Vouchers for Private schools furthers that agenda. He basically insures that there will be a lower class who will have to take whatever the 'market' will bear. I'm sorry; but that sets us back as a country. I honestly can't find a single issue that I agree with him on. If you belive government is the problem,...why do you dedicate your life to running or serving in government - to insure the failure of the very institution you'd like to abolish? His stance on abortion and subsequently welfare is chilling at minimum and twisted at best.
that's annoying,...I had edited this:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
He's good for minorities like I'm the Queen of England. His brand of deregulation would set this country back CENTURIES. Which is GREAT for those in the top tier; but tough @!$%# for those of you eking out a meager existence,...take whatever your employer offers and be thankful you little ingrates.
Funny thing Clara is Jerry Brown is about to unleash massive cuts. And you know who those cuts will effect the most, right?
So maybe you libbies can help me understand - Cali is the most progressive state in the nation. Yet it is in the worst shape of all [damn near Greece like].
And now after years of progressive policies the big cuts are coming. See - in the end economic reality always wins.
But at least we will have a $100 billion shiny train to nowhere. So we got that at least.
CLara Are you implying that everybody should be equal economically? That everybody should get the same paycheck whether they are docotrs or custodians? Are you saying there isnt enough Welfare already? I am sorry to tell you that there is too much Welfare as it is. The Dept. of Education is an absolute failure to put it mildly. "Why can't Johny read?", "Why can't Johny do math?" I'll tell you why, it's because every thing our government does goes ass backwards the moment they get involved. Ron Paul votes the way he does based on this document we have called the Constitution. If it isn't a Federal issue then it is an issue left up to the 50 individual States of our Republic. Yes we have 50 States, not 57 as some other guy once said...
If you can't agree that the budget needs to be balanced, the debt needs to be reduced significantly, we need to stop fighting war after war and we need sound money then I I don't think we would agee on annything.
Thanks Jack and GBM. It's really good to be with you all again.
To your point, Jack, I really don't understand how people keep missing this. The clues are all there, and this ad should really come as no surprise.
No wonder Spanky doesn't want to talk about it. I wouldn't, either, if I were he.
You're right, we rarely agree, but thanks for your thoughts, Bob!
This is irrelevent. Liberals have never tried to attack net incomes, only income taxation.
This is a loaded question. If we say "no", we concede to you. If we say "yes", we are accused of socialism. I'll answer anyways. It is fine to have a sizable portion of the population on welfare if we are in a recession. Granted, Obama ended the recession, and I'm pretty sure welfare numbers have gone down.
And how do you decide that?
How so?
Completely ridiculous. Access to education, even if rudimentary, is a start to help poor communities in the United States. What is your alternative? No public education? How is removing the Department of Education going to help the quality of education?
Also, Public education in the United States is primarily run and funded at state and local levels. I do not think you understand what the Department of Education does exactly. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education#Functions). As it is, it is the smallest cabinet level department and mainly does research and enforcement of policy. In short, you attack a Red Herring.
This is an example of solid rhetoric. Mr. Paul certainly isn't the following the constitution with his desire to end separation of Church and state (clear violation of First Amendment, as well as wishes of Founding Fathers).
I believe Obama made a slight speech error and was trying to refer to the 57 primaries and cacuses across the nation (which included territories and DC).
The last balanced budget was under the Presidency of Bill Clinton (even if you deny that he had the largest role, you cannot deny that it was at least bipartisan). Such a balanced budget was in the peak of an economic boom, coupled with numerous tax hikes and spending cuts. We are in a recovering economy, where spending cuts and tax increases may hurt the nation. That said, Obama has eliminated some loopholes on millionaires, and significantly cut the defense budget. The result may not be a balanced budget, but it is a reduced deficit. (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html)
As it stands it is not nearly at its highest point, only 100% of the GDP (after WWII it was 120% of the GDP, all of which was paid down until Reagan came). As a percentage of the GDP, Obama has raised the debt significantly slower than Bush did in his last term (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-05-22/markets/30060713_1_national-debt-tax-cuts-government-revenues).
Obama has done this. Not sure what you are trying here.
I believe you are refering to gold standard, a very bad idea. First off, there isn't enough gold in the world to satisfy the United State's money. Second of all, no more inflation is a small price the play for the huge amount of deflation that would occur.
We agreed on the War thing...
I believe he smoked Marijuana, a drug that should not be illegal in the first place. NOBODY has ever given me a reason for why Alcohol is illegal but Marijuana is not.
I saw the video. Can't believe anyone would try to appeal to people's prejudicial demons. Huntsman is the only Republican worthy, and fully capable, of being a good President. He even adopted two girls left to die in two different countries. Nothing but good vibes from Huntsman. Too bad the Republicans are stuck on disingenuine Mittens.
I'm planning on making a video about Seamus and Willard on their trip to Canada. No real animals will be riding on the roof though.
fuzzy---perhaps you could get someone to dress up in a dog costume to play the part of Seamus.
Toss Sniffy a coupld of Milk Bones & you won't even have to rent the costume! lol
Sorry, I missed your posts, I was just chatting with Sniffy and lost track of time.
Good Idea I'll ask her! Here girl HEEERRRE PUPPY!
AnaBanana, sadly, appealing to those prejudicial demons is exactly what too many of the GOPers do without a second thought.
The Republican Party has tossed every virtue known out the frontdoor and embraced every vice that slithered in through the backdoor.
Welcome to the world of politics. And, for those who didn't get that approach, here's another:
*said in the voice of a whiny five-year-old*
But the Democrats started it!
How can anyone imply that there is something sinister about adopting a child.
Well, it worked for George Bush when he ran those ads against Sen. McCain in SC.
Great point lisa - ask Feisty and Anna Molley.
They took issue with Bachmann's efforts to help kids.
Spanky,
Can't compare foster parents to adoptive parents. One gets paid. One doesn't. Big difference! Better questions would be: How many of those children did Bachmann adopt? Anyone know the answer? anyone?
*wave hand*
I DO... I DO...
NONE!
Huge difference between adoption and sucking the teat of government for handouts to board kids for a weekend (not to mention running a platform that claims to have raised them).
Yeah, there is big money to made in fostering children. Maybe Obama can use that as one of his so called "Job Initiatives".
You ever foster any kids AB? Make you a millionaire did it?
How much hate can you Lefties put out? Any one know the answer?
*wave hand*
I DO... I DO...
AN INFINITE AMOUNT!!
I don't hate you JoAnna, I just really don't like you or what you stand for, now shoo :)
Fuzzy, you should team up with Jack of Portsmouth. He likes to tell people what to do too, with about the same amount success you have.
You keep on posting though Fuzz. You're kind of entertaining to read. It's kind of like watching a sad clown perform.
Wow! Maybe I should run as a Republican! They'll welcome me with open arms!
And Dad always said I would never fit in......
That one turned out to be true.
Got a few "Daddy" issues Fuzz?
LMAO Daddy issues yeh, he was a republican for a few years LOL! Then he redeemed himself when he realized it was the path to Loserville.
I'm happy and married and happily married. What's your story? :)
Fuzzy---I like that---"I'm happy and married and happily married". Me, too!
Me three fuzzy44!
Well, I'm off to the bar to have a beer. I think I'll go to the local T-party hangout.
It's kinda funny, none of them spout off like they used to. They just sit there and mumble about the good old days.
Of course AnaB, but I wonder what the kids would say?
Foster arent of adoptive parent - they open their lives to the kids. That's pretty great if you ask me.
Oh, but I know, evil Michele Bachmann only did it for the money, is that you point?
Cause that sure seemed to be Feisty and AM's point. Pure sinister motive.
But I do wonder how much time AnaB, RevDev, Feisty or AM spends with parentless children?
JAS1 - Jack is and absolute Hoot.
Isn't he? I just love the guy! He's bucking for head cheerleader with the old LibsRUs gang. I think he really has a super good shot at getting it!
Spanky,
Why only ask about AnaB, RevDev, Feisty or AM? Why not ask yourself Spanky, or Fuzzy44 or Steeler Fan or BobB. Their perceived sex wouldn't have anything to do with that would it? Kinda narrow assumptive questioning on your part don't you think? By the way, I admire stepparents. It is Michelle Bachmann's most excellent quality and I would be proud to have her as a friend. Not so much the guys she's on the stage with. With the exception of John Huntsman. Yes I have very conservative friends Spanky. I am kinda old fashioned and conservative in my own personal life. Just not my public policy.
Spanky,
Almost forgot to mention. Hubby and I did become a teenage girl's legal guardians to keep her out of juvy on a drug offense. Her mom had drug issues. No one paid us. We took a large risk at my daughters request for her friend and it paid off. They are both in their third year of college now. I didn't seek money as a stepparent for it either. I was even working very long hours during that whole ordeal and praying every day that it would all work out. Prayers were answered. It has so far. Please don't think I'm thumping my chest. I'm simply answering your question. Her success is all the reward I ever wanted.
Let's all just meet at the Dew Drop Inn. ok? First round on me!
Good golly WCA - GM is down 46.1% on the NYSE. It is the absolute worst car related stock, by far.
Overpriced and under designed, kinda says it all.
Layoffs coming Spanky. Probably around 7000 engineers/designers/manufacturers.
Very soon.
Things are not so rosy at Big Blue.
Hopefully GM will get another bailout.
Who needs them. Bunch of 1%-ers. Just build the cars, and redo the Volts that are catching on fire.
actually it is up 2.5% today.
FYI - "Big Blue" generally refers to IBM. Continue.
Yee ha, ideology, down by half for the year. Or since the Bailout.
Taxpayers will take a bath on the shares the government owns. No way around it.
Noid, do you live in Detroit? Do you know what we call our companies around here?
For instance did you know that in Detroit Ford is called Fords?
Why do you people think you freakin know everything?
WCO ... glad you can predict the market. You must be very wealthy. George Soros must have bathed in the money you lost in 2007. Good for him.
2011 Auto Industry Sales Boon To U.S. Manufacturing
http://news.investors.com/Article/596697/201201041824/2011-car-sales-rise-chrysler-ford-strong.htm?src=HPLNews
After big comeback, American auto industry looks ahead to another promising sales year
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/american-carmakers-rack-up-increased-sales-in-2011-look-ahead-to-another-good-year-in-in-2012/2012/01/02/gIQA9KIWWP_story.html
Chrysler adds 1,250 jobs in Detroit
CHICAGO — Chrysler unveiled plans Thursday to add 1,250 jobs in Detroit in a sign that the third largest US automaker's recovery from years of restructuring and a painful bankruptcy is solidifying.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iUmZh3OgMOMkt07KZJPaTyuWUAsw?docId=CNG.7cfc4255d4a69a6a0af06ac7a078863d.491
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Very selective assessment of the industry. It is gonna be tough to continue to try to highlight the bad news when there is more good news than bad.
From USA Today in December:
GM shares have fallen to less than half the price that the government needs to break even. They closed Friday at $20.50 a share. Taxpayers need at least $53 a share to recover their investment.
Today it is between $22-$23/share. Think it will get to $53 any time soon?
Again, ideology, I have been around the auto Industry a long time. Why do you people think you know everything?
Dangerfield, those jobs are to add a third shift at the Jefferson plant to build Jeep Grand Cherokees.
It is good news, but flies in the face of the President's agenda.
Car sales across the board were up for 2011 for domestic OEM's.
But if you worked in the Industry you would not be surprised. It didn't take much to improve on the disasters of 2009 and 2010.
Pent up demand only works for so long. At the height of sales the Industry sold over 16 Million cars a year.
Last year in an up year it sold over 12 Million.
Based on how happy everyone is about an 8.5% employment rate, I can see how you would say everything is great.
I live it every day. It is not so great.
Market news today
Among the successes, GM increased its market share for the first time since 2002, getting to about 19.6%. The Ford brand, as distinct from Ford and Lincoln, was the best-selling brand in the U.S., selling 2 million vehicles for the first time since 2007. And Chrysler led the big seven automakers with a 26% sales gain.
December was a particularly strong month. Sales rose 9% and the seasonally adjusted annual sales rate was about 13.6 million, the year's second-strongest month after the marginally higher November.
and from Bloomberg ...
To paraphrase Mark Twain, the demise of U.S. manufacturing has been greatly exaggerated. The country remains a global manufacturing powerhouse, accounting for one-fifth of the world’s manufacturing output in real terms. U.S. manufacturers exported $1.3 trillion in goods in 2010–a sum about equal to the size of Australia’s economy. If current trends through August hold, 2011 will be an even better year.
The problem is that all this activity doesn’t create as many jobs as it used to. Far from it: American manufacturers have been producing much more with many fewer workers. U.S. manufacturing output has grown by 2.5 times since 1970, even as employment shrank by 30 percent. Manufacturing jobs were decimated during the Great Recession and the anemic recovery that followed, plunging by 2 million positions, to 11.7 million jobs, from December 2007 to August 2011. (Manufacturing employment is up 2.5 percent, or 285,000, from its 2009 nadir; in keeping with the productivity story, however, manufacturing production has risen 13.2 percent from its 2009 low.)
If you want jobs in your country it will have to come from infrastructure related work.
Ideology and Dangerfield, could you please list your Bonafides for commenting on the US Auto Industry?
Reading and pasting news stories doesn't count.
Start with when you first entered the industry and tell me how long you have been at it.
Then tell me why you think sales are up for 2011.
Here's a hint, it is for the same reason that Unemployment is down.
WCO ... and you are an economist? Show me your papers.
Ideology, I know the Auto Stock Market.
When one is dialed into an Industry, one can pretty well predict what will happen next.
I made a boat load of money off of Chrysler stock in the mid 1990's and sold it all when Daimler took over. Good thing, because it dropped like a rock after the "Merger of Equals".
Trust me, GM and Chrysler going bankrupt was no surprise to anyone who worked there and GM's stock failure is no surprise either.
The only reason it doesn't get more press is that it would hurt Obama's re-election.
Since you obviously know nothing about the auto Industry, just what do you know anything about?
Whatever it is, you should stick to that.
WCA
I don't do personalities or pissing contests here, so challenging my, or anyone else's Bonafides to have an OPINION, based on stuff they READ because only YOU LIVE there and therefore are the only person qualified to opine, I will let stand as is.
Based on that (for lack of a better term) "logic" every opinion expressed by everyone in the world on every topic is subject to qualification of expertise, and that is just silly as "experts" are often no more successful than lay people when it comes to predicting and assessing an entire industry. But that said, you should be challenging the bonafides of those WRITING about the industry from the WaPo and IBD that I have based my OPINION on, no?
Just because you live in Michigan, or even work in the industry, your opinion, (while perhaps more informed) is still just an opinion, and no more correct or incorrect than anyone else's. And on this I personally have bonafides up the wazoo, at least in my opinion...
So cut the Mr. Know-It-All act and try to realize that your location and occupation don't allow you to predict the future, or even assess the present situation any better than I, with or without the blinders of your political views. I respect your insider's view of the industry, but it's just your personal opinion, despite your vast extensive knowledge. When you demand bonafides to have on opinion, you come off badly.
Based on how happy everyone is about an 8.5% employment rate, I can see how you would say everything is great.
Best line of the day right there
This one is too easy really.
GM was a failed company before the bailout. Only thing Obama did was dump a heap of money. But the products and more importantly all the problems [mostly crap design, and particularly legacy pensions and union pay schemes] still exist.
Plus now the Volt sucks, and is going to be made in China.
So to bottom line it - we are in for $50 billion. GM will never pay it back, and continues to make non-competitive products.
But at least we are talking politics and economics and not about someone's kids, right?
Dangerfield, I don't care if you have an opinion. But I do get tired of being told that I am wrong when it comes to the one thing I really do know pretty much everything about.
It is not a personal opinion. It is an expertise. It is built on years of experience.
I have opinions on politics, it is not my expertise. The Auto Industry is.
I am sure you have an expertise in something. Would it not bother you to be contradicted?
That's enough of this, anyway. Some people on here will never, ever admit that someone else might actually know more about something than they do.
Spanky, my biggest bitch is that most here think that Obama saved Chrysler and GM from Bankruptcy.
All he did was delay it and cost the taxpayers $50 Billion dollars.
But these people here just know everything, don't they?
... but then the analysts ratings for GM in The Wall Street Journal is buy ... Spanky and WCO say run ... oh dear, who to listen to? The lawyer and his pal the self-proclaimed expert?
or the community organizer!
I'm no fan of Jon Huntsman, but this attack is ridiculous, offensive, and counterproductive for the increasingly hateful and paranoid Ron Paul campaign. Paul has a boatload of trouble on his hands already with the trove of racist newsletters that have been publicized. This awful video is just as bad as those documents. Doesn't his campaign have the sense of decency to leave the family of a rival candidate out of politics? Ron Paul needs to apologize immediately...
Apologize for what, exactly? For a video that some stranger (poorly) made that may or may not even be one of his supporters?
I can't believe this is even news. ANYONE can make a video and post it on youtube. The creator could be a Newt supporter for all we know. Don't be an idiot - use some of the grey matter between your ears and see how ridiculous calling for Paul's "apology" sounds.
IS everyone too asleep to see that this "Ron Paul supporter" joined youtube Jan.4.2012? and has a GRAND TOTAL OF 1 Video which the MSM has joyfully jumped on.....
PURE SMEAR JOB.
I think Huntsman is the best choice for the GOP, but they would rather choose a clown.
The video is dispicable...enough said.
But, I think this warrants another discussion. When do politicians need to disavow or apologize for something?
Here, you've got a horribly distasteful video made by someone with a name that sounds like they are a Ron Paul supporter. Well, to be honest, I could go out to YouTube tomorrow and create a user id like "ObamaFanForLife" and create a vicious anti-Mormon smear on Mitt Romney. (I never would, but you get the point). Clearly, the President shouldn't have to apologize for that.
What about someone who endorses a candidate and the candidate doesn't embrace that endorser? These are COMPLETELY made up examples...say Fred Phelps, the leader of that Westboro Baptist church that protests at soldiers' funerals, were to endorse Mitt Romney tomorrow. Suppose some third world dictator endorsed President Obama. Romney and Obama say no thanks or don't even acknowledge it. Should they have to apologize for everything said by those endorsers?
As you all know I am a Huntsman supporter (yeah, yeah, me and three other people). But unless this person is associated with the campaign, I think the statement from the Paul spokesperson is more than sufficient.
Couldn't agree more, Grimey. If we start holding every candidate responsible for everything some idiot posts on YouTube, then why not extend it to everything we idiots post here every day? Unless there's some link to the Paul campaign being directly involved in this, I say ignore and move on.
That being said, though.....I find it sad that anyone in this day and age would consider having a president with the ability to speak Mandarin Chinese any kind of liability. On the contrary, I think it would be an enormous asset and one of the things that would be more likely to attract me to Huntsman than to the other GOP candidates.....some of whom seem to struggle enough with basic English.
Good points.
"TheActivist" demands that Ron Paul apologize for this video. I don't think it has to go that far...not yet at least.
Look, suppose Mitt Romney is giving a speech this weekend and, in the middle of the speech, I run up on stage wearing an Obama 2012 t-shirt and hit him with a pie in the face. Now, President Obama doesn't know me and wouldn't be able to pick me out of a police lineup. Does he have to apologize for me?
(Let's not kid ourselves...we all know I'd get nowhere close enough to Romney to be able to do any of what I've suggested above.)
Grimey - thanks for the post, you made me go back and re-read the article more carefully. My earlier statement about Repub on Repub was wrong. This sounds like an avid Paul fan gone awry.
I mostly agree with your post, Frank, and I think it is great that you are defending your running mate! However, it seems naive to assume the video was made by an opponent of Ron Paul. It could just as easily have been made by a (misguided) supporter of his. Either way, I agree that the appropriate response is for the Paul campaign to disavow the video and move on.
Grimey, it would be nice if that were to happen no matter the party. Or at the very least their campaign headquarters could condemn them.
There are a lot of things said and done today in the political arena that would be best left unsaid or at the very least apologized for. Letting things go or dismissed is not the way to discourage crackpots and the insensitive, especially in this day of technology where anyone with two fingers and a moniker can say and write just about anything despite there being rules.
It is a fair bet that they wouldn't be so quick to say it to the receiver's face. Being behind a screen name seems to bring out the confrontational in them. Some might consider it cowardly or bullying, I know I do.
DaNoid: "Let's not kid ourselves...we all know I'd get nowhere close enough to Romney to be able to do any of what I've suggested above.)"
Seriously.....did you see the Secret Service dude to the left of the stage in that clip you mentioned this morning where McCain accidentally endorsed Obama instead of Romney? I think you'd be the one wearing that pie before you got anywhere near Romney!
P.S. - You did mean one of those pie plates full of whipped cream, didn't you? I'd hate for you to waste a really good banana cream or coconut custard..... :)
Hi Steeler Fan...I agree, it could just as likely have been made by a supporter of Ron Paul. No way to know...but either way, as long as the person doesn't have a connection to the campaign, I think the Paul campaign responded appropriately.
I hadn't thought about that much. I'm not sure which kind of pie Romney likes.
Hey, doesn't he prefer waffles?
How or why is it--This Paul/Huntsman thing--CERTAIN people want to say--So Sorry! Let's move on and forget it. But they are STILL talking about Pres Obama's "foreign" education, birth cert, etc.?? Consider the source.
Agreed this is dispicable but where was all the outrage with this? You may not like Santorum's politics but this was overboard. Colmes evidently has never known anyone who lost a child at birth or else he would have known that doctors and counselors recommend what the Santorum family did.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03/alan-colmes-fox-news-rick-santorum_n_1180679.html?ref=me
Really, ksw? I have never heard of anything like what happened in this situation. And I didn't see the need to write about it in public, either.
And it continues ksw.
They beat the @!$%# oput of Eugene Robinson this morning on Morning Joe for saying the same thing.
That Steeler didn't see the FOX show is not surprising, but the MSNBC show?
See Steeler - it's out there all around, and is disgusting. Picking on wives and kids is deplorable, picking on a still born infant?
Sen. and Mrs. Santorum CHOSE to publish the story about the death of their child and how they handled it---they put it in the public eye. When people find the story off-putting, as many of us do, they can't say that their privacy has been invaded.
@ Steeler You cannot justify these types of comments just because the family chose to talk about it. I did not hear they felt their privacy was invaded. They did not choose to be called crazy, etc... or the other asinine things I read from some of the media and what Colmes said is overboard. This isn't an uncommon thing just because you haven't heard of it or thank God have never experienced it. I have family members who have lost children at birth. They do want to talk about it openly and and the counselors encourage them to along with the things the Santorum family did, not just pretend it never happened.
good ole boy politic's republican on republican violence....love it boys keep it up....it's all about jobs so obviously huntsmen adopted daughter is taking a job from american's....oh it's all about the rich staying rich the evangleticals wanting to impose their views on the country....and the wacky paul wing thinking we don't need any rules.....in this country because everyone would just do what there suppose to....duh...
Video posted by someone posing as a paul support produced by someone obviously not a paul supporter. But anything to try to get the people to go the way the news media wants them too.
...and it's OBVIOUSLY not from a Ron Paul supporter because...?
republicans are never wrong so they never have to say their sorry....there just so warm and fuzzy and make american life so much nicer....ha ha ha....this is republicans eating each other not people republicans .........not americans ....
Republicans have had 44 years since Lee Atwater and Richard Nixon to hone their unethical skills at lying, innuendo, false accusation, distortion and smear. That is necessary to get elected when one does not have any new or workable ideas and needs propaganda to rule the "base". It is the commonality of immorally corrupt campaigning that they now use it on each other.
Let them tear each other up. Then the winner will be the worst of the worst and should by body slammed by voters in November as unfit to hold the office. Apparently 90% already are anyway. Sometimes it isn't cream, but scum that rises to the top. This is one of those times. The most decent candidate among the survivors is at the bottom, as of now. That is further evidence of the corrupt nature of today's Republicanism.
The GOP has done this one before... see Karl Rove and the boys when they went after McCain's daughter in South Carolina.... the GOP has NO SHAME and never has.....
Politics as usual...what a dirty game.
Your article on the Jon Huntsman Chinese ad is a disgusting distortion being perpetrated by the mainstream media. If you check the video history of the incriminating ad you'll find out the first referral is by Huntsman's campaign page:
You can check this yourself:
1) go to
2) click on the button right to the views counter
3) read if you can
04/01/2012 First referral from – twitter.com
04/01/2012 First view from a mobile device
04/01/2012 First referral from YouTube search – ron paul
04/01/2012 First referral from – jon2012.com
04/01/2012 First referral from YouTube – /my_videos
4) check who is jon2012.com
It was NOT a Ron Paul supporter who released this, it was the Jon Huntsman campaign! I expect an apology or an amendment to your original article for this dishonesty!
Yep the twitter records confirm this is BS.Too bad reporters don't actually do their job.
Those last couple of posts make sense. I could not see what Paul would have to gain or that any of his people would find this type of smear sensible or beneficial. There have been a few posts about Paul's stance on the Civil Rights Act and the ADA. I am socially liberal and generally agree with the Civil Rights Act but it does actually institutionalize preference that is discrimination and therfore against my understanding of the Constitution. And what bugs me about the ADA is that there are people with disabilities who actually go to small towns with small merchants operating in old buildings(many of whom do not own the building)....and hit them with an accessibility lawsuit. Here in California you just bite the bullet pay them and their lawyers $10,000-$15,000 and hope they don't come back. Because no small merchant can afford a $50,000 retrofit. Is that what the law intended?
Jon Huntsman just took a brick threw his campaign office with a note he wrote saying it was from a Ron Paul supporter. Huntsman is BUSTED on this one! And has just discredited what is left of his campaign!
Those are private pictures and video from Huntsman that are not anywhere on the web. In the statistics button on youtube one of the referral is from Jon's 2012 campaign website when there WAS ZERO VIEWS ON THE VIDEO!
If you check the video history of the incriminating ad you'll find out the first referral is by Huntsman's campaign
You can check this yourself:
1) go to video
2) click on the button right to the views counter
3) read if you can
04/01/2012 First referral from – twitter.com
04/01/2012 First view from a mobile device
04/01/2012 First referral from YouTube search – ron paul
04/01/2012 First referral from – jon2012com
04/01/2012 First referral from YouTube – /my_videos
4) check who is jon2012com (a referral when there was 0 views)
It was NOT a Ron Paul supporter who released this, it was the Jon Huntsman campaign! I expect an apology or an amendment to your original article for this dishonesty!
From Huntsman's forums I found this too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Huntsman 2012
The paulbots are going crazy with our video
I cant believe how stupid these people are. As campaign insiders many of you are aware we created the fake video here /watch?v=tZeVqj-t1U0 and made it look like it came from the ron paul people. This is a suprise it went viral. And the good news is paul is getting blamed for it.
My goodness this is turning out better than expected. I was on the phone today with the campaign and they have another one coming out monday.
#2
Dave
I helped make the video. I almost fell off my chair when i saw it on fox. I even got a call from the big man thanking me personally. This is pauls weekness. We should ramp this style of attack up.
#3
John5
The paul reaction shows how incopmtent they really are. We put them on the defensive with a video that took 5 minutes to make. These people don't have a hint of street smarts.
I agree with you dave, more videos. Have you seen the final for monday?
#4
Dave
Well we have one coming out monday.
#5
Huntsman 2012
Sorry guys, I didn't relize I was in the open forum. Can the huntsman team here move this to the insiders forum..ASAP
#6
Huntsman 2012
Please move this thread
#7
Abigail
I copied this over to the private forum and am deleting this thread
#8
Huntsman 2012
I can still see it on the open forum.
#9
Abigail
Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman 2012 View Post
I can still see it on the open forum.
Its just your computers cache. I deleted it. Lets stick with the private forum and leave the white horse wanna be's out here
Please copy and paste this around!
Ron Taft Paul believes racial tolerance is akin to universal acceptance of various skin colors. It is not. Easy to believe some of his supporters are even less than tolerant.
Unfortunately, the misconception that racial tolerance is the same as assessing character irrespective of race, is not unique to but not uncommon in Texas.
So, if Ron Paul's agenda is not racist-friendly, why do so many racists like Ron Paul's agenda so much? I've still not heard any of his supporters give a cogent response to this question.
Note that I am not calling Ron Paul a racist. I am simply questioning the wisdom of electing someone whose platform and agenda seems to most appeal to the racists in the electorate.
Nathan that would be an easy one. Believe it or not Rednecks and kooks like to be left alone just as much as the rest of us do. Just because the racists were some of the first to have their civil liberties trashed by the federal government, by no means made them the last to be probed. Now before anyone gets their panties in a twist, the Jim Crow laws of the south that FORCED businesses to segregate were the problem. That was the problem Ron Paul had with the CRA. The state laws were wrong, but replacing them with something that was un-Constitutional was more dangerous to us all. Letting the government break the law that enshrines our Civil Liberties hurts everyone, even if you happen to disagree with the ones the government is picking on. History will prove that the costliest Big Lie that we as Americans ever swallowed was that the government was our friend, and that we just needed to loosen it's leash.
False Flag - I will not be holding my breathe for a media retraction...
Why does Ron Paul have more minorities supporting him then the other candidates?
RP is not the only candidate to have some racist supporters.. so lets stop acting like they're support for him equates to RP being a racist. His support from minorities says otherwise.
As for the video.. from some random youtuber.. why is this news?
He doesn't. His supporters are still as white as all the other republican candidates against reasonable policies, against the steps taken to fix the economy and still the obstructionists against solving problems that face the jobless in our country.