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What we learned from last night: 1) Romney still has a problem with his party’s conservative base… 2) Rick Santorum may be for real… 3) New Hampshire is going to be fascinating to watch… Also: Measuring Santorum’s NH bounce… Romney gets McCain’s endorsement (but is that the best way for him to shore up his conservative-base problems?)… On Paul’s third-place finish… Newt strikes back… Perry sounds like he’s done… So does Bachmann (she holds a presser at 11:00 am ET)… And the GOP’s record (and still disappointing) turnout.
*** What we learned from last night: Despite the thrilling photo-finish start to the first voting of the 2012 presidential contest -- with Mitt Romney finally topping Rick Santorum by just eight votes (!!!) -- we learned pretty much what we already knew heading into last night’s Iowa caucuses, albeit with one big exception. We learned that Romney has a LONG way to go with his party’s conservative base. Of the 47% of caucus-goers identifying themselves as “very conservative,” Romney got just 14% of that vote (compared with Santorum’s 35%). Romney won another 14% from the nearly six in 10 who are evangelical Christians (versus Santorum’s 32%). At some point, he will have to win where conservatives put him over the top, and once he does he’ll be the nominee -- but not until then. (Maybe it'll be in South Carolina, maybe Florida, but he needs it somewhere.) We also learned that Romney still can’t crack the 25% he continues to get in many polls (and what just happened to be the percentage he won in Iowa four years ago).
Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, who won the Iowa caucuses by just eight votes, tells TODAY'S Matt Lauer he is "absolutely delighted" by the results of the caucuses but acknowledged it's going to be a "long road ahead" to the nomination.
*** Glass half full for Romney: On the positive side for Romney, we learned that he does MUCH better among Republicans who see the economy as their top issue and who want to beat President Obama in November. And we learned that his final opponent probably won’t be Newt Gingrich or Rick Perry, two folks who either had the money or the potential to go toe to toe with Romney over the long haul. On Monday, Romney said he was going to win Iowa. And he did. Unfortunately for him, his victory -- something he was unable to accomplish four years ago -- got overshadowed by someone else.
*** Santorum may be for real: The one thing we didn’t know heading into last night that we ultimately learned: Rick Santorum is for real. Indeed, he became the story of the night, consolidating just enough of the conservative/evangelical vote to nearly win. (By the way, we’re guessing had Santorum had one more day, he probably would have won). His challenge now? To get the time to start putting together the resources and campaign infrastructure to compete with Romney in New Hampshire and beyond. What to watch: Do movement conservatives who have so far stayed on the sidelines (the Palins, the Cains, the DeMints, Tea Party groups, etc.) begin rallying to his side? This is the last conservative train leaving the station. Does Romney upset these folks enough that they want to potentially upset the eventual Republican nominee? That's the calculation that may be taking place among these folks.
*** New Hampshire is going to be fascinating to watch: And here’s another thing we didn’t know that we ultimately learned from last night: The upcoming New Hampshire contest is going to be FASCINATING, as well as potential trouble for Romney. It’s do-or-die time for Jon Huntsman. Gingrich last night warned that he will make New Hampshire his Alamo (more on that below). So you could have Huntsman hitting Romney from the middle and Gingrich hitting him from the right. That creates an opportunity for Santorum, who has the potential to stay above that fray and pull off another surprising finish. Second place in New Hampshire is worth something if it’s 25% or more.
*** Measuring Santorum’s New Hampshire bounce: How much can Santorum benefit in New Hampshire with his virtual tie for first in Iowa? Traditionally, the top-three finishers in Iowa haven’t experienced much of a boost – just 3 points jump on average from the last New Hampshire poll before the Iowa caucuses to the actual New Hampshire result. But the 1996 Republican presidential primary might be instructive (another year when a fairly weak front-runner (Bob Dole) was running for the second time and against a Democratic incumbent in the general election.) In 1996, Pat Buchanan finished second in Iowa and jumped 12 points in New Hampshire to win with 27%. Sen. Lamar Alexander, who faced questions of viability in the Granite State and was polling at just 9%, got a 14-point bounce and finished a very close third with 23%. The last Suffolk tracking poll showed Santorum at just 5% in New Hampshire, so if he gets the 12-to-14 point Buchanan-Alexander bounce, he could finish with 17%-21% -- still far short of what Romney is expected to get.
*** Romney gets McCain’s endorsement: When Romney gets to New Hampshire today, he’ll pick up the endorsement from John McCain, NBC News has confirmed. This means, by the way, that Romney will now have endorsements from three of the four living past GOP nominees (George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, and John McCain). The exception: George W. Bush. But here is something to chew on for Romney: If he has a problem with conservative Republicans, and if they are his threat heading into the future GOP contests, why is he highlighting the Republican whom many movement and social conservatives love to hate?
*** Obama camp on Romney’s “poor performance”: Not surprisingly, the Obama campaign has pounced on last night’s results for Romney. “A day after predicting victory and after six years of trying to win Iowa, Mitt Romney was unable to reach the same margin of the vote he received in 2008 among a Republican field widely recognized as weak,” a campaign official emailed First Read. “It was a poor performance from a candidate who did everything possible to win -- even sacrificing principles to become the self-professed Tea Party candidate and to get to the right of Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich.” Also, the Obama campaign’s Jim Messina and David Axelrod will hold a conference call with reporters at noon ET.
*** On Paul’s third-place finish: Turning to the other candidates, Ron Paul certainly did well with the young voters, independents, and first-time caucus-goers. But it wasn’t enough to avoid finishing third, at 21%. With his campaign money and his devoted followers, Paul has the potential to stay in the race for the long haul. But third place is a disappointment for the Texas congressman, because Iowa was the one place that had the potential for him to score a victory.
*** Newt strikes back: Gingrich made it very clear in his speech last night that he’s going on the attack against Romney. During his speech last night, Gingrich praised Santorum for running a positive campaign, but then he added: “I wish could say for all candidates.” Gingrich went on to say that the GOP would have a debate on whether to elect a Reagan conservative who helped change Washington, or a “Massachusetts moderate good at managing decay.” In fact, his campaign is already running a full-page ad in the New Hampshire Union Leader casting Romney as a “timid Massachusetts moderate.”
*** Perry sounds like he’s done: When Rick Perry -- after finishing a disappointing fifth -- said he was traveling home to Texas to assess the state of his campaign, he sounded like someone who is already done. We’d be very surprised if he makes it to New Hampshire or South Carolina.
*** Is Bachmann about to call it quits? Meanwhile, NBC’s Jamie Novogrod reports that Michele Bachmann -- who finished in sixth – will be holding a media avail this morning at 11:00 am ET at the West Des Moines Marriott. Spokeswoman Alice Stewart says that Bachmann has canceled her trip to South Carolina. While Bachmann last night vowed to stay in the race, this feels like someone who could call it quits today.
*** The GOP’s record (and still disappointing) turnout: Here’s a final point on last night: GOP turnout in Iowa -- roughly 122,000 -- was a record. And it was important for Republicans that this turnout exceeded what they got in 2008 (118,000). But make no mistake: It was a disappointing number, especially given what Republicans were hoping for to show the enthusiasm to defeat President Obama in the fall. Getting 140,000 or 150,000 would have shown real enthusiasm. Republicans didn’t get that last night. It may have been more a reflection on the candidate field than on the prospect of defeating the president.
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Willard is unable to seal the deal!
8 votes could hardly be referred to as a mandate! lol
More like extremely lucky!
Willard is still the geek at the dance none of the girls want to dance with!
We also, learned that hell hath no fury like a p!ssed off Newt!
The GNOP has a problem, a BIG problem on their hands & I couldn't be happier for them! ;o)
And what is up with that creepy laugh of Mr. Roboto? meh...meh...meh...?
Damn!!!
And I was sooooo looking forward to hearing what the plant’s biggest pompous A$$ had to say about the Iowa caucuses.
Current: Olbermann declined offer to anchor Iowa coverage
By DYLAN BYERS |
1/3/12 11:26 PM EST
Keith Olbermann was notably absent from Current TV's coverage of tonight's Iowa caucus results, setting off some speculation that the channel wanted to keep him off the air. This evening, Olbermann himself tweeted: "So as not to mislead: I am informed Countdown will not be on tonight, I must defer on all questions to @JoelHyatt @AlGore and @Current."
But it turns out the opposite is true, according to what a Current spokesperson told a chatroom on the channel's website tonight:
"We asked Keith to be the sole anchor and exec producer of our primary and caucus coverage beginning tonight," the spokesperson wrote at 6:30 p.m. in the chatroom. "Unfortunately, he declined to anchor or participate."
As Brian Stelter reported in December, Olbermann's recent absences on the channel "suggest that there may be new tension between Mr. Olbermann and the managers at Current, who are trying to create a progressive-oriented cable news channel." But why Olbermann declined the invitation to be sole anchor or executive producer is unclear.
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BTW, I’m looking forward to a full day’s entertainment with all the loud Iowa clucking from the FR lefty liberal (female and male) hen party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU
LMAO!!!!
Second Thought: What We Truly Learned Last Night
After listening to all the people interviewed in Iowa referencing President Obama and how Romney is needed in the 'White' House, I just have to SMH.
"Obama needs to go," Interviewee one says.
"He doesn't share the same values we do," Number 2 snaps.
"He doesn't reflect our values," Number 3 aggressively sneers.
"He's not a Christian," Number 4 dismissingly quips.
I understand that this is a Republican Primary and that only certain blocs of voters are interviewed, but I truly wish someone would have the cojones to truly state, "That black boy needs to go. If we knew that Civil and Equal Rights Bill would change my country this much, we would have left them in chains." I think we could move forward with open-minded dialogue. Wait a minute there have been plenty of people from the Republican Party that have said it. Hank isn't headlining football anymore.
I'm sure the further South we get, the nicer the comments will be. Well folks, get used to it, 4 more years and as I said before, if Clinton doesn't run, I know Colin Powell will!! Then what will be your excuse? Oh I know, he was a weak link as attributed by Veep Dick. According to many Republicans, blacks are weak links.
Well guess what, President Obama has proven them utterly wrong.
When the people that are interviewed are able to freely demonize the president when the president is a Christian, fair-minded and even-headed you have to wonder what is truly wrong with a large portion of our society.
We learned that Willard is still a LIAR Eking an out 8-Vote win after 6 year to Rick Santourn who spent the least amount of money is hardly anything to be celebratory about. President obama will mop the floor with LIAR
Romney staffers and supporters were quick to say, “A win is a win.” There’s clearly some truth to that; Romney fought hard to come out on top in Iowa and he (just barely) succeeded. But in sports, when folks say “a win is a win,” they’re generally talking about a contest in which the victor won an ugly fight and the winner doesn’t look all that impressive afterwards.
In this case, that clearly applies to Romney. Consider this brief timeline of events:
2007: Romney runs aggressively in Iowa, invests millions, and expects to win.
2008: Romney ends up with 25.2% of the vote in a six-candidate field.
2009: Romney launches a four-year presidential campaign.
2011: Romney runs aggressively in Iowa, invests millions, and expects to win.
2012: Romney ends up with 24.5% of the vote in a six-candidate field.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2012_01/santorum_comes_8_votes_short_d034511.php
Rick, no one wants a racist for President.
The MSM is falling all over itself this morning portraying the Iowa results as electoral proof of the "deep ideological divide" in the Republican party. Yup, this battle for the hearts and minds of Iowans wasn't a choice among contenders for the Republican nomination, it was a national airing of the divisive dirty laundry that some candidates just aren't conservative enough. Good grief, give me a freaking break.
Apparently the pundits who obsess on making this argument expected Mitt to just throw his glove onto the field and then watch as all the other players bowed their heads and declared game over. The fact that the other candidates want the prize just as much as the frontrunner apparently is irrelevant. And the fact that other candidates will do what it takes to diminish their opponents and elevate themselves has no bearing. That's absolute nonsense.
The reality is that competition among candidates with different views and different constituencies is business as usual in the nominating process. Have we so quickly forgotten that Obama's path to the Democratic nomination wasn't exactly a cakewalk? And despite the fissures in the Democratic party that were exposed in Obama's battle with Hillary, that didn't stop him from getting the nomination. Nor did any wounds inflicted during the nominating process complicate his ability to beat McCain.
So all the hot air being pushed by elitist opinion makers needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But here's what we know: Romney's campaign was built for the long haul, so now we'll see if that strategy pays off. Santorum gets a ticket out of Iowa, so now we'll see if he can capitalize on it or fade away. Newt gets pummeled mercilessly but is still standing, albeit barely. Perry and Bachmann are afterthoughts, although it's looking like Perry might at least have the grace to withdraw.
Those are the facts on the ground. Everything else is bull$hit.
You got THAT right LouisJ!
I for one, am sick & tired of the GNOP hiding behind super secret code words & innuendo when the camera's are rolling!
These racists are not so subtle in everyday life!
*shakes head*
Louis J, excellent post; sadly, it is the truth. Those folks interviewed repeat almost verbatim the lies spewed by the GOP candidates, FOX and right-wing media.
Bill in Fairfax,
You would have to be blind as a bat if you don't realize that Romney has a cap. It is 25%. 75% of the Republican Party doesn't want him. He won't get the nomination this year either. All those votes for Perry and Bachmann, about 15%, are Santorum's. If Santorum puts a winning team together and keeps taking the wind out of Romney's sails then he is worthy of consideration for President. I would not vote for him simply because he wants to legislate my vagina and start a war with Iran. Not winning positions for me. Obama 2012.
If government is evil, Grover Norquist, and the majority of Republicans that swears undying allegiance to him, has it right. Thomas Jefferson and the founders of this nation would be very wrong. Was it a mistake to create the government of the United States? Would the men who wrote our Constitution agree with today's Republican candidates and kill their creation? Or would they heed the words they wrote?
We have certain unalienable rights, they said, and "...to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, to protect them...."
That is the very essence of the question facing us today. Do we abolish this government as Republicans insist we must, and use it as nothing more than a mechanism to transfer the nation's wealth to the rich? Or as Democrats wish, do we alter government to secure our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for ALL citizens.
Throwing off subservience to the upper class means a fight; a tough and terrible fight. A return to a feudal system is as simple as laboring for the lords, eating bread, and watching the circus. Live free or die as they say in New Hampshire.
Let us not mince words. This is about class warfare. The very rich - the upper class - control the nation's wealth in numbers that are staggeringly warped. They control the media, they control banking, they own virtually all of the government. Not enough? They can turn out a sizeable cadre of shills, lackeys, and posers to defend their indefensible status with impressive speed. You see them here every day. This is the right wing; a group of ill-informed, single-issue, identity-driven ideologues who sell themselves to the rich as willing pawns.
To say this is an odd alliance is an understatement. It is suicidal. They are not the warriors they fancy themselves to be. They are pawns, they are cannon fodder. So why do these people not find a natural alliance with the left-wing of the lower class? The reason is surprisingly simple.
There is, in many right-wing positions, an element of truth. Is abortion frequently used as an acceptable method of birth control? Yes. Is the education system failing? Yes. Will Social Security fail without modification? Yes. Are public employee pensions a threat to government solvency? Yes. Is there massive government waste? Yes.
Yet, many left-wing ideologues dismiss this out of hand. Blind and unthinking followers of these ideologues - both right and left - harden their positions and the war rages. And as with all wars, the first casualty is the truth.
The rich are grateful for this diversion of the lower-class - it keeps the serfs occupied. A parasitic Congress carries out the bidding of the wealthy that guarantees them virtually lifetime tenure as government welfare recipients. For their salary they need merely make laws that favor the rich, while keeping the poor at each other's throats. They fatten their wallets at the expense of the poor - right and left.
We're in this together and we'd better understand that the enemy is an upper class that has the single goal of controlling all wealth. Lest you imagine this isn't about warfare, you need but look at their battle plan. Divide and conquer. That is precisely what they are doing.
Joe in Albany
Damn!!!!
BTW, I’m looking forward to a full day’s entertainment with all the loud Iowa clucking from the FR lefty liberal (female and male) hen party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU
LMAO!!!!
Joee,
You little elf, damn, I thought after all that raucous last night you'd be rounding all the lost elephants and them putting back in their cage.
Get on your job; boy time is wasting. We can't have lost animals floating around injuring society!!!!
Eight Votes .. what a landslide by Romney. He did predict he would win, and he did by a whopping 8 votes. Iowa better look into all that voter fraud to ensure those 8 aren't fraud votes.
Didn't know Alan was into chicken farming. What's next, venturing into being a shepherd? I'll bet those Ewes are nervous.
Record turnout shows Iowa is inspired for some real change, not the phony stuff they got 4 years ago. It also has many Libs heads exploding as the were desperate for a low turn out, but got a fully energized GOP voting base instead. One could expect "record turnouts" in most every state as the process for purging Obama continues.
And here comes the desperation. One little Iowa Caucus and the Libs are scared to death.
Racism! they scream. You people are really something.
Get your damn heads out of the sand an look at what the Presidents agenda is doing to our country.
We are in deep trouble and using your 2008 slogans isn't going to work this time.
I think Slick Willard did seal the deal.
He won Iowa, he's almost certain to win New Hampshire. He can afford a stumble in South Carolina and then plaster the airwaves like no one else in Florida. He's the nominee...
...unless a PO'd Newt can somehow chop him down to size. I doubt it, but Romney had better watch his back, because you don't get to be Speaker without knowing a few tricks here and there. I don't think Newt is even running for the nomination anymore. He just doesn't want Slick Willard to get it.
But then again, if not Slick Willard, then who? Santorum? Maybe, maybe, if Perry were to drop out and turn over the warchest and organization to Santorum. That's about the only way I see it happening.
Sorry David Walker. Your first sentence made your whole post not worth reading. When you start off with a FALSE premise that conservatives think "government is evil", and go from there, it's clear whatever arfument you are making is, well, skewed. Try again.
LouisJ
How right you are . These sick racist are always criticizing the President withe their coded dog whistles.
They said they want a President who says what he means. well, I want these racist to say what they mean. Just come out with like Rick Sanatourm did. Hey , all you coward racist say it-- Say we don't want Black people in the White House or any house for that matter.
"Bring on the Clowns". What a joke Iowa was last night. My hats off to Santorum for his brilliant run against Romney. Speaking of Romney - "Why doesn't anyone love me? But, I really am a Conservative. Just because I'm filthy rich I'm really just like you. I feel your pain. Trust me." LOL.
And he's the best the Repugs have? Lots of luck.
Obama in 2012.
Mr: David Walker:
The opportunity to your rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness have always been there for everyone. Unfortunately, equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results. Using the government as an agent to "level the playing field" is a goal of the socialist Democrats, but for the life of them they cannot spend enough money or control and regulate enough businesses and people to make that leveling happen. The socialist Democrats continue with the mantra that they can do such things, but for all their deficit spending and regulations they implement, their ends of this utopian state they keep babbling on about never materializes.
White Collar Auto I am no liberal, and I certainly am not running scared. I love watching the republican party scramble with no clear direction, no real plan, and no one qualified to be president of the United States. It's very symbolic an typical of the Republican Party.
Who won last night? Obama did, and will in 2012.
David your interpretation is wrong. It's not Life, Liberty and Happiness, as you seem to think.
It is Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness.
Incredibly forward thinking of our founding fathers. They never promised that happiness was a right, but your ability to pursue it is.
That in a nutshell is why this country is so great.
BTW you need a new drum. The "Class warfare" drum is pretty well been beat dead by you.
See, here's the obstacle for the right wing nuts, the time for tire kicking is over now!
People have to start making a solid choice instead of running to the flavor of the week!
75% still doesn't care for Vanilla Willard! lol
6 years of campaigning and how many millions spent in IA and he still couldn't bring home the bacon! lmao!
Or as Mr. Roboto would say... meh... meh...meh...
This is your argument? If the black boy had 5% unemployment (hell if it hadn't went over 8% and was dropping) there wouldn't even be an argument.
You're pathetic and all you can do is trot out that it's all about color. News Flash Louis it's all about the economy, and if the economy improves enough between now and mid-October the President will be re-elected.
Go get yourself some help you twisted little individual.
I see the directed talking point this morning is 75% didn't vote for Romney.
What, you guys tired of typing circus and clown cars? Obama's Campaign Manager is still using that one.
Simply pathetic. here is how it breaks down:
Percentage of Republican voters that will vote for the eventual Republican Presidential Candidate:
100%.
Yesterday, Perry disgustingly compared his campaign to the epic battle at Omaha Beach. After his showing last night in which he was creamed, I would expect a statement from his camp in which he declares his campaign is comparable to the Nazi death camps.
Whether you agree with their politics or not is your opinion but I hardly think a full-term governor of major state nor a two term senator can be considered unqualified when the current incumbent did not complete one full term in the US Senate.
White Collar Auto
And here comes the desperation. One little Iowa Caucus and the Libs are scared to death.
Racism! they scream. You people are really something.
Stiff collar people like you ; cowardly racist; are a POS!!!
"Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience: Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum.[133] In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and presented the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital."
. . . and I thought Romney placing the family dog on the roof of the car on a family trip was crazy . . .
O GOD LET'S KEEP ON SOUNDING LIKE RED FACED IDIOTS!
What would happen if people could actually use their brains and attempt to think about the positive and negative about candidates, instead of the diarreah drilled into their brain from childhood? I don't know, but you won't find out on reading these First Read responses, where narcicists jingoistically stroke their little favorite party as if it were their mutant little baby.
Romney did fine and honestly, unless you are a far right wing conservative, you'd be stupid not to want him to win. And why I say stupid, is because if you want to live in a democracy, there should be two valid choices. Sorry if you want to cry over having a candidate who can't win his party election, like Huntsman or Bachman, but you might just want to check the brain if you can't get over having two at least semi popular choices and picking the one you like the most.
Maybe all the people shooting down conservatives and liberals in these responses should just move to the Middle East. People are a lot more like you there, and with a lot more guts given how insane they are.
ana -- 4 years ago at this time 68% of democrats voted for someone other than obama. bill is spot-on!
Well being from and living in New Hampshire it will be very interesting if nothing else to see who gets chosen for the republican candidate..the field is very weak.There are no stand out candidates for president..None have a back bone and they waiver on whatever is the popular issue or not at the time...it is very disappointing..i am a registered independent..and Obama is looking like my ONLY choice more and more!!! Whatever happened to the Ronald Regans, Teddy Roosevelts and Abe Lincolns of this party..instead we have Romney, Santorum, and ron paul??? Are you for real??? Give me a candidate with strong resolve and strong ideas about how to get America back where it should be. We are suppose to be a nation in which others RESPECT!! Now it seems that we are the laughing stock of the world. I think Obama does deserve more time. He is trying to work with a Congress that is blocking him at every step of the way and blaming him for all of America's wrongs..lest we forget 8 years of a Republican president got us into this mess as well... I am so disappointed in a country i was brought up to love and believe in... What future is there here!!!! Might as well move to China..at least there i could provide for my family..instead of barely surviving and scrape by...Where is the America I was promised when i was a child?????
Damage123 and White Collar Auto:
You could not have offered a more graphic and perfect presentation of what makes people like you so very dangerous.
Damage123 wrote:
Nowhere in my post, not in the first sentence, or anywhere thereafter, will you find the word "conservatives". You see what is not there. Your opinion simply isn't worth spit when it is clearly based on something that has not happened.
White Collar Auto wrote:
You apparently cannot see what IS there. Here is my direct quote, "Or as Democrats wish, do we alter government to secure our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for ALL citizens."
You two guys are quite the pair. One sees things that aren't there, and the other can't see things that are there.
If my goal was to embarrass you, to expose you as pure ideologues, I couldn't do a better job than you do.
RedDevPS
Yesterday, Perry disgustingly compared his campaign to the epic battle at Omaha Beach. After his showing last night in which he was creamed, I would expect a statement from his camp in which he declares his campaign is comparable to the Nazi death camps.
Let's hope when he does speak it won't be something like what a 2yr says. Immigrants speak better English than this dumb Cluck.
David Walker, you are so right, this is and has been for a very long time class warfare. The wealthy want us educated enough to work in the factory, field, or office but not educated enough to own the factory, plantation or business. they want us healthy enough to come to work every day but all those high priced disease curing/fighting treatments? Heck no, those should be for the upper crust who can pay cash for them only. What the right wingers and mega wealthy (1%) don't quite get, most of us are sick and tired of working to make someone already wealthy even more wealthy. I'm not jealous, have a good life, a pretty good job, a wonderful husband (one and only for both of us - we don't believe in divorce unless it is a safety issue for spouse or kids and never believe in remarriage after a divorce) good children who work every day just like we do, own our home, have no car payments and very little credit card debt, but the 1% has lied big time, when they stop lying and start using that tax break to create good paying jobs with good benefits I'll trust them again, until then, they are greedy liers and per my Bible they will be in a heap of trouble come judgement day unless they change their way of doing things.
Now, back to the topic at hand, hate to tell you wingers but your party is badly fractured, Ron Paul supporters, a nice 21% are never, ever going to vote for Santorium or Romney, for that matter, they are not going to vote for anyone but Mr. Paul and 21% is a very hard number to overcome. Newt, Michelle and Rick are done and need to get back to their own lives and jobs. In November many of the last place candidates followers will hold their noses and vote for Romney, but not everyone will. I'm pretty happy with President Obama, I agree with his plans for putting this country back to work - we do need bridges and roads and that creates rather long term good working class jobs. I do wish he were more stern with the republicans - man they have no idea how difficult it would be to deal with me, he is just too nice - I'm a woman, I'm not very nice when it comes to caring for my working middle class family and dealing with the 1% who intend to send us back to the dark ages of working for nothing and in dangerous working conditions. So, come on President Obama, grow a pair and back the wingers into a corner they can't climb out of, that is what all of us working middle class folks are waiting on. Hope and change are working out rather well for me and my family (so much better than the georgie/dickie years), thank you for asking!
No Bev you are the racist. Do you still go to Jeremiah Wright's sermons?
JoAnnaSmith1
The 2012 GOP turnout was 122,255, while the 2008 turnout was 119,188. That's a record turnout as noteworthy as Mitten's 8-vote landslide.
AnaBanana: Those two, the Santorums, seem to have some real mental health issues.
Nasty-RedNeck, "Willard" (as you are want to call Romney) is probably going to be the Republican nominee, having scored endorsements from both Bush-41, and John McCain, and now having won the Iowa caucuses.
You can make all the un-funny, snyderemarks you want.
But the cold hard fact is that the political landscape in 2012 looks remarkably similar to what it was back in 1992.
Back then, we had an incredibly popular President who had just won a war, and looked unbeatable in the general election.
Now, in 2012, we have Barrack Obama who was very popular in the first two years of his Presidency, and who scored a huge military-type victory with the capture and elimination of Osama Bin-Laden.
In 1992 you had a group of Democratic Presidential candidates who looked like they couldn't tie their own shoes. The GOP was absolutely salivatingat the thought of running against Paul Tsongas, Jerry Browne, Bob Kerrey, Tom Harkin, or.....Bill Clinton ("Bill WHO?" They said.)
In 2012 you have pretty much the same thing on the GOP side of the fence, except that we knew a couple of the players comingin. Still, nobody (especially you) is giving any one of them a tinker's chance to win against Obama.
In 1992 we just finished with a recession that left us with near double digit unemployment, and a sagging economy that was growing. But doing so at a snail's pace.
In 2012 we have 8.6% unemployment which is .7% HIGHER than it was in 1992, and we are also recovering from one whopper of a recession that this President hasn't been able to cure for now-on three years.
Don't think for one minute that people didn't/don't/won't vote their wallets in November. Because that's exactly what Bush 41 counted on, and he was dead-ass wrong.
As of today, a whopping 70% (yes, that's right 70%!!!!!) of the population thinks the country is heading in the wrong direction, and 47.8% disapprove of Obama's job performance. Normally that wouldn't be a bad number. Except that only 47.2% approve of him. His negatives are undeniably starting to catch up with him.
What's more, there is only a 1.6% "spread" between Obama and the likely GOP nominee, Mitt Romney. That's uncanny, given Obama's popularity early on, and the fact that Romney hasn't officially won the nomination yet.
All of this spells trouble for your messiah, and demonstrates very clearly that Obama's second term is not guaranteed.
So I'd be a little careful if I were you. Because, you just might end up eating crow this November, with a side slice of humble pie.
LOL......and here come the "all people against Obama are racists" threads from the usual trolls.....lol
Like clockwork
Yep....it couldn't possibly be his horrendous record....
2012 is gonna rock!
Lean Forward Libs!
Rascist? Really? Is that all you have this morning? What information that you glean from whatever commentary that says that the vote last night had anything at all to do with Obama being a black man. All those folks want him out of office with his whole brood of Congressional Democrats because of their liberal POLICIES and ACTIONS that are taking this country down a very slippery slope! You play the rascist card because you do not want to discuss the Obama agenda and lack of progress on anything! Sad that you are in that position, but you get what you voted for! You want the next election to be about a choice of candidates rather than an assessment of the President's and Democratic policies and actions! I guess I would use the race card too if I had nothing positive to stand on on the accomplishments front!
I agree with David Walker and the rest of you are short-sighted and blind. The 1% control everything...media, government and all of you as well. We have to constantly fight for our rights as human greed is inevitable. For those who currently have power, you don't really think they are so altruistic they will let us all share equally? PLEASE!!!!!
If corporations behaved in an ethical and fair manner, we wouldn't need so many regulations to keep them in check. Their complaints about regulations strangling their businesses doesn't move me at all...they have no one to blame but themselves for the current situation. And this continued Republican chant that we have to continue to allow the 1% to keep all their wealth as they are "job creators" is total bull. If that were true, then they would have been creating lots of jobs since the Bush tax cuts went into effect. Or even more so, since Reagan's tax cuts. Instead, the only jobs they create are in India and China. There is a class war going on and the 99% are steadily losing it.
Mental health issues?
Less mental health issues than the people who can only consider one party posting her on First Read.
JoAnnaSmith1
Record turnout shows Iowa is inspired for some real change, not the phony stuff they got 4 years ago. It also has many Libs heads exploding as the were desperate for a low turn out, but got a fully energized GOP voting base instead. One could expect "record turnouts" in most every state as the process for purging Obama continues.
Sniff1
That is the same damn number it was 4 years ago. Sniff a little longer
JoAnnaSmith1
Record turnout shows Iowa is inspired for some real change, not the phony stuff they got 4 years ago. It also has many Libs heads exploding as the were desperate for a low turn out, but got a fully energized GOP voting base instead. One could expect "record turnouts" in most every state as the process for purging Obama continues.
Record turnout? Iowa's population is 3 million and change, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it's evenly split dem/rep. So out of 1.5 million people, 122k energized GOPers got off their asses and voted in this purge of president Obama. Wow...lets hope these 'record turnouts' don't continue, lol.
Breaking News --
White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer confirmed on Twitter today that President Obama will announce the recess appointment of Richard Cordray to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau in speech in Ohio today.
Poor J. Merle!
I see the Dr's still have found the right combination of med's for you dear!
Hang in there honey, they are bound to get it right sooner or later! ;o)
You may now resume your regularly scheduled hysterics!
What was the average unemployment rate during the Bush Administration? And remember that this included a downturn in 2000 and 9/11.
I am no fan of these tax rates but the evidence shows that they could have lowered unemployment as it was pretty low up to 2007.
Thanks for the breaking news Dennis!
After last night, that is sure to set the right wing nuts hair on fire today! lol
Redhead and LouisJ--There are plenty of us conservatives out there who don't care about his skin but instead have justifiable disagreements with his policies and agenda. To those of us that believe that fiscal responsibility is a valued trait, Obama is a disappointment. The ballooning debt (more in 3 years than in GWB's 8years), the deficit spending, the union favors (GM bailout, exemptions from Healthcare act), his anti business focus (holding up a pipeline for political reasons, mountains of tax reporting regulations on business under 50 employees), and his inability to form a working relationship with Congress (debt fight, payroll tax issue) are all perfectly reasonable issues on which there can be more than one opinion. His opinion is not the same as mine...that does not make me a racist, just a reasonable mind that can disagree.
The Repubs need to stop voting for candidates just because they have a good chance of winning, vote for the candidate that appeals to the core values and ethics. Try something new and promising, instead of caving into the dems and always running dem lites, just because they appeal to dems who will never vote for a repub anyways..
JoAnnaSmith1
Record turnout shows Iowa is inspired for some real change, not the phony stuff they got 4 years ago. It also has many Libs heads exploding as the were desperate for a low turn out, but got a fully energized GOP voting base instead. One could expect "record turnouts" in most every state as the process for purging Obama continues.
See Joanna unlike people like you, and I'm not talking about the GOP, but people like you who like the fact that if there is a low turn out then your candidate can win.
To say liberals want a low turn out is crazy, stop smoking the blunts, and drinking the 40s.
Every american who believes in our election system want everybody voting and every vote to count. you pissed me off with that one Joanna, some of your so called liberals and consertives died in the 50s and 60s to insure every body gets there vote. your comment was the most stupid to date
see Joanna, No wait, Put the Blunt Down and read and understand what I'm trying to say to you, a person who says sh(t like your a weed head.
the fact there was no clear cut winner and ever with the Hugh turn out tell me that this GOP primary is going to be more of a fight than the Dems in 08. this is going all the way to the convention and unlike 08 if Romney is close he will cut throats and make deals to win the nomination . the way there guys are fighting now, its only a sample.
i see rick(this is my D-Day) perry is going home to re access his campaign, i guess his did not survive his Invasion of normady. unlike the men and boys who died there he gets to go home.
So please, if you don't want to put the blunt down atleast pass it so we can all get high with you.
Dennis,
Good news! Time for us to have an advocate against these bigger than ever bankers.
Beverly, you really have a lot of nerve calling me a racist.
Please go to my posts, I haven't hid any of them and point to where you come up with this opinion.
I have tried to be nice to you, but Bev, that is pathetic.
For the record, I did not vote to collapse your post. I would prefer to leave the proof of who you really are up for all to see.
Michael1969
LOL......and here come the "all people against Obama are racists" threads from the usual trolls.....lol
Yep....it couldn't possibly be his horrendous record....
2012 is gonna rock!
Lean Forward Libs!
Get back in your hole; cowardly racist. The scary Black man in the White House is gonna kick your scary @ss in 2012.
FYI: What the hell have the scary Rebuplicons done; besides take this county to brinkmanship from the day the Black man in the Oval Office raised his hand to swear the Oath of Office on the Bible?
What about Rebuplicons lowering our credit rating; obstructing and filibustering; blocking his nominees; giving corporate welfare to the top 1%; and spewing hatred all over the world?
Raising the bar after the fact is a real interesting way of reporting. What, if anything, were you reporting on the expected turnout prior to the caucus? Do you have any data to support this opinion of yours? Or are you just making it up to sooth the wounds of the Left?
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
If that's true, it's also great news. The only way for Obama to do the job he was elected to do is to go around the roadblocks the Republicans have put in his path.
J. Merle.....and who would your "Clinton" be in this republican field?
Your hatred of the President and Democrats blinds you every time you post. Your history here, doesn't give you much credibility. You once were a Hillary supporter and you haven't gone passed that in almost 4 years. When you change that, your world may improve.
LMAO Bev....
Why do you keep saying "the black man"?
Martin Luther King once had a dream that all men would be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character......'member that sista?
Dennis, that's fantastic news!
Willard 'wins' the keys to the clown car this week and SPLITS the delegates evenly! hahahahahahahaha
And McCain endorses Willard,...just like the lockstep marching orders instruct!
I don't want to say they're predictable; but I got a new iPod for the holidays and I just set the watch to it!
Santorum is the flavor; but Ron Paul will run as an independent and split the GOP,...
Dems are Happy as Pigs in Shyt today. And HuffPo got one right,...The clear winner in Iowa last night was President Obama.
PS. I just love Debbie W. Schultz pointing out that out of the 121,914 votes cast - 91,899 were NOT Romney. That is just NOT a recipe for success - I don't care WHAT Republican calculator you use.
JoAnnaSmith1
There you go again, whining about mythical liberal bias. Back in 2008, over 239,000 people turned out for the Democratic caucuses in Iowa. You'd really be screaming if the media used that standard to judge the feeble GOP turnouts in both 2008 and 2012.
I seem to remember someone saying there was going to be a low turn out. I can feel the ratcheting up of nasty comments if record numbers of people keep showing up.
@Derek: Actually, liberals want someone like Santorum to win the primaries, because it means that
Obama will clean up the general election.
@White Collar Auto: What matters isn't the Republican voters, it's the independents. The Tea Party candidates have no chance in the general. I estimate Romney has a 35-40% chance (pulling numbers out of my rear end) of defeating Obama if he wins the nomination. Meanwhile, if Ron Paul somehow is the one to run against Obama, he will win the Presidency. (Funny note: Ron Paul is more popular among liberals than Obama is. It's the conservatives who don't like him.)
David, I read what you wrote, perhaps you were unable to read my line saying that you interpreted the rights that way.
I highlighted the words for emphasis, David.
You really are nothing but a sanctomonious Liberal, who must spend hours composing and re-composing your posts here in order to seek validation from the far left Libs who play here.
These guys are going to tear into each other right up until the election - you can just feel it. Obama will come out looking the best and presidential while the others will look like.... well, clowns,,
I seem to remember that too. She doesn't seem to have much to say about that today.
Her being 100% wrong is hard work, nothing to be proud of.
Isn't that the truth Gingerbread Mamma!
J. Merle reminds me of those bugs that crawl out of the earth every 4 years, lay their
eggslies and then die!Oops! Looks like G-d has done some speaking again last night. Bachmann is OUT!
Oh; but Perry hasn't given G-d his cell number,...so he has to go BACK to Texas to take the call.
I guess the Lord only serves ONE follower at a time?
We learned last night that; a moderate Republican took on 5 ultra conservative Republicans and won; no matter what way you try to cut it; America does not want a ultra-conservative, far right religious zealot ; we are and always have been a middle of the road people; Romney has the best chance of getting the White House for the Republican party.
What was the number 4 years ago Bevvy? Feel free to use the mathematical symbols like "<" and "=" and ">" when making your educated comparison between 2008 and 2012. Get a 4th grader to help you if needed.
Dennis, why would anyone be surprised that he is going to appoint Cordray.
Most transparent President EVAH!
Wow, WCA, you calling anyone else sanctimonious is funny beyond words.
David's response to you was quite accurate, you spinning it just makes you look more ridiculous.
Ramidel, I understand the independents decide this in the GE.
But the Libs here don't seem to understand that, as they think that a split vote in a primary of republicans with different ideals will constitute a crisi in the GOP.
Hence the "75%" talking point from the left.
NDD, you seem to think I care about your opinion of me.
You could not be more wrong.
@Ramidel: Yes, but you can also see that the unthinking extreme left shoots down whoever is in the lead anyway. Just like the unthinking extreme right shoots down whoever is in the lead of the democratic party when they have primaries.
I understand that a fire breathing right dweller would not like Romney and vote for someone else. I am not calling that person stupid (and I am not saying they are smart, either...). But aligning behind a candidate takes compromise...oh god, how evil a word...it means sticking to your principles and negotiating some of your outcome...an adult thing to do...heaven forbid! But if you don't see a radical, flame breathing righty get to the top, it is time to start aligning. Paul still has a chance, suprisingly Santorum....maybe, still long shots. REGARDLESS, Romney did win and the only liberals who put a sour puss face on it are the obvious, two fingers in their ear, so called liberals, who really just are extremists.
This has nothing to do with whether in the end, you'd vote for Obama anyway. It has to do with people who want to blame the right for EXACTLY the same kind of people they themselves are. Or visa versa.
Whether it is Romney or Santorum, Obama will have a big challenge in front of him. Other flavors of the week such as Cain, Perry, and the last Newt, were much easier challengers for Obama then Romney or Santorum.
The thing about Romney media and liberals don't get is that it is not that conservatives don't like him, it's that they don't trust him to be a real conservative. But with that being said if he is the nominee he will be supported by the Conservatives and even the Evangelicals. There is some mistrust, but Romney says and does all the right things and it is a much better bet he will be better for this country then Obama.
Remember in the end most people are stuck voting between the lesser of two evils, and both Romney and Santorum have a good shot at getting that vote when Obama is the Challenger.
P.S. Paul will not run as a third candidate, even his son thought that would be a bad idea.
And you seem to think that any of us, especially David Walker, cares what YOU think.
Trust me, while your hypocrisy is amusing, the scholarship is lacking.
Which makes you of little interest, other than a figure of fun.
Just like poor no jo.
I would agree with that as Santorum's social views are way outside the mainstream. However, it was reported that the WH was disappointed in Perry's performance as he would have ensured a longer primary having the money and organization. At this point it's not sure that Santorum will be competitive by Super Tuesday.
South Carolina should be interesting as they have a very good record at picking the eventual nominee and the state is not favorable ground for Romney.
At the end of the day everybody knows Romney is the strongest general election candidate as he can win the traditional Republican states, appeal to the swing states and maybe even win a blue state.
Just remember with this record turnout (JAS1) Mitt actually got less votes than he did 4 years ago. I think it is funny because i am begging for this party to run Santorum against Obama. The no big government unless it deals with your family candidate will not play well in the General.
Wow, this is Great. Now, the clown car heads to NH. More popcorn.
The lesson learned here is that right wing extremist have totally destroyed the republican party and the tea party has put the last nail in it's coffin....
It's time for the republicans to come more to the center of the road and drop their social agenda... This still and always will be a secular country, we are not under the direction of the Vatican or any other sect.
I find the fringe incredibly sad and misguided. Those that are on the extreme shouldn't have the ability to guide the direction. They will vote along party lines anyways. This election isn't about voting out a person, racism, abortion, religion in schools, sex-ed, bench creating policy judges, etc.
It is simply about economics and which plan/party is best suited to push this country from where it is at to a better place than the other person/party. Pure and simple.
Unfortunately, the fringe elements get in the way of the actual priority, and the so-called conservatives are possibly the most embarrassing and pathetic group of people that I have ever witnessed in my 41 years. Extremely sad.
I just feel sorry for Huntsman. If this had lasted another week, he could have made it to the top too.
It's hysterical seeing the teatards such ad JAS crow about that record turn out last night. Pathetic at best when their "record turnout" equals 97% of the population staying home. Woo Hoo they got a whopping 3% turnout! LMAO
I am afraid You fine folks of the Democratic persuasion have grossly misread the mood of the American electorate, first, Yes, no one has emerged from the pack yet, but when an incumbents negatives, or disapproval rating, is above 50%, people are no longer voting for the other guy ,whoever that ends up being , they are voting voting against You,(I think The Clinton political operative, Dick Morris said it best ,if You are asked if You are going to be married to the same person next Year, and the answer is anything but a yes ,it probably means no), so think of it as a marriage that has gone terribly bad, You have separated from Your sweet talking, all show but no go, former love,after finding out they were no where near what they promised You they would be, and so You have absolutely no intention of going back to them , but, the divorce is not yet final, got to wait for the paperwork, so You are kind of looking around to see who is available, but, having been badly burned before, You are in no hurry,You are taking Your time, looking with an abundance of caution, not anxious to make another mistake that would again cost You dearly, having had to support a deadbeat that maxed out Your credit cards, caused the loss of all Your close friends and almost destroyed You,this time You are really getting to know the prospects,before You decide, that is where We are today, with the only thing certain being, that the foolish old relationship is over, and You hope You will be a little wiser with Your choice next time.
Terry-Ca
How is Romney winning in Iowa show right wing extremist destroying the party? Yes many of the more conservative voters wanted someone else but Romney is still in the lead. You may disagree with Santorum on some issues but could you explain to me which of his (social) views are different then G.W. Bush who was elected twice?
This country has NEVER been a secular country. It has been a country that welcomed both spiritual and secular people, but the country and its founding had God as a contributor. The country is not now nor has it ever been under one church control such as the Vatican and that is not what religious candidates want. Whether it is the Declaration of Independence ( that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,) or in States consitutions, or the countless times documents mention "unalienable rights". You can not surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the creator to the individual and can not under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individual's have unalienable rights. The mentioning of a creator, or "Almighty God" , or your unalienable rights, is everywhere and was a huge part in the creation of this country.
David,
Great post! I wish more people could realize that we are all closer than the media would have us believe. So many people are so polarized in their views that there is little chance of them ever getting back to reality, when the truth lies much closer to the center.
Obama/Biden 2012
Record turnout shows Iowa is inspired for some real change, not the phony stuff they got 4 years ago. It also has many Libs heads exploding as the were desperate for a low turn out, but got a fully energized GOP voting base instead. One could expect "record turnouts" in most every state as the process for purging Obama continues.
JoAnna, you must love to spew the numbers to trick less intelligent people that you are right. If you do your research, you'd find more registered Republicans in the state than 4 years ago. If Republicans were "fully energized" as you state, the number of those voting in the Republican caucuses would have been much higher. So while the "total" number of Republicans turning out was higher, the "percentage" of Republican turnout was about the same. Anyone with any intelligence would know that this does not mean Republicans turned out in record numbers, it only means that more Republicans turned out.
And if the Republican party is "energized" as you claim, then why didn't any one candidate get more than a quarter percentage of the total vote? They may be turning out, but this proves that the Republican party is in disarray. The party can't even work within ranks to vote for a clear nominee. Too many factions within the Republican party. It's pathetic you're incapable of accepting that fact. Smarter Republicans can.
That there really is a sucker born every minute!
Santorum? Rick Santorum only eigtht (eight votes!) shy of taking Iowa. I must say!
Shellie,
Do you have any clue what you're talking about? Do you know how the caucuses work? In 2008 Demcrats had the largest turn out ever with over 200,000 people showing up, last night Republicans had their largest ever with over 120,000 people showing up. Yes more Democrats showed up in 2008 but according to you it still left 94% of the population staying home.
Wow, what a gut-shot to poor ol' Mitt. 8 freakin' votes. OUCH, that has got to hurt. Can't he take a hint? MITT, THEY DO NOT WANT YOU! Reach out and grab a clue, podna. Sheesh, do they have to drop a house on you or what?
But Mitt won't give up, it's his turn and he knows it and he wants to be President of the United States more than ANYTHING on this earth, which is kinda scary if you think about it.
Let's see how Santorum fares as the "last true conservative standing."
Perry and Bachman, yesterday's news, buh-bye, say hi to Hermie for us.
Got skeletons Rick? Other than being whiter than white and righter than right? I bet we're gonna see 'em starting soon.
Man, it has got to suck to be Mitt Romney.
Obama/Biden 2012
I wonder how the Republican party can control their glee at getting just over 122,000 people to show up to this beauty contest. I imagine there are usually more people who show up for an Iowa State/Univ. of Iowa football game. The intelligence level of the attendees and the "contestants" is probably higher at the football game too. What's really amazing is that not a single delegate was selected last night.
None the less, this contest will winnow down the field. Bachman and Perry are most likely gone. For Newt, he'd be smart if he took the advice he was given long ago and get out now before he makes a complete fool of himself.
Santorum might get enough from this to be competitive in South Carolina. However, without the cash to back up his run, he won't be able to run in Florida. Like Huckabee, he can get the evangelicals, but they account for less than 10% of the general election vote. Putting forth a message that you hate women does not carry very far.
The eventual nominee will be Mitt Romney. Its too bad that the GOP has been co-opted by the anti-black, anti-immigrant, anti-women, ultra-conservative groups. To get to the nomination stage, a candidate has to pandor to these very small minorities in some of the early states which damages them for the general election. As long as they keep the "first in the nation" and other carve outs, they will not win the Whitehouse so long as there is a viable Democrat.
No body knows how to fix this country..not Repubs Demos or any political party..THATS THE PROBLEM..evry political prty sucks and will do more harm than good no matter what kind of bull chit they spew out..oh and people that post thinking they know the answers to all of our problems are delusional....and Bev comments about immigrents speaking better is straight up stupid and shows her level of intellect
If all the other wing nuts drop out and leave Santorum the last nut standing, then maybe Santorum will have a real chance to beat Romney, despite all the money Mitten's can pump into lying campaign ads. It would certainly be reflective of true democracy not influenced by big corporate money if Santorum did win. He represents the true ugly face of the contemporary Republican Party, unlike Romney, who's just a facade with nothing behind it that was designed by his advertising department to get both the tea bag vote and the moderate vote.
And yes, I think progressives are rooting for Santorum, because moderate voters may be fooled by Romney's phoniness, they certainly won't choose Santorum's crazy extremism over the rational, competent, and moderately progressive leadership of President Obama.
Your assumption that God and the creator are one in the same is a religious leap on your part and typifies what is wrong with the fanatic religious freaks that control the GOP/TP faction of this country. That the founding fathers purposely used the term Creator vs. God illustrates the belief that religion has no part in politics and more importantly, the running of the government.
These GOP caucuses and primaries are a farce driven by right-wing media to make it seem like there's interest in the GOP. The field is so weak, that the GOP brand is starting to take a hit across the country, and so the Iowa caucus was made to seem like "Must See TV". Boring, and so is the GOP. These caucuses are like preseason Minnesota Timberwolves cames. No matter how much you spice them up, and someone wins, come November, it won't matter, as Obama wins in a landslide.
It is amazing that Mitt Romney winning isbeing spun as everyone hates him because Santorum did better then expected. Yesterday everyone was so excited because how tight of a race it was, and today everyone is acting excited that it was a close race. Romney won, has a huge lead in New Hampshire, and the money and structure to go anywhere and everywhere. This is not to say Santorum doesn't have a chance, but Romney is doing just fine.
devie
even better than the sucker born every minute,...did you catch that Herman Cain still garnered 58 votes. bwahhhahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa
If only they'd have voted for Santorum. Darn the luck and all that.
Oh Clara .. that is funny. I guess it was his 58 Iowan mistresses that voted for him.
Keep the insults coming Nasty-RedNeck.
It clearly shows how very desperate you really are.
:-)
Back to the basement for the RNC.......singing the blues......aint got NOBODY. Best that the RNC could do is throw all mean old guys out, cut loose the teabags, regroup, restructure and comeback as reasonable, decent middle americans in 2020. Its all over today.
The word God can be interpreted to mean just about whatever you want just like the word Creator. Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhist, and ect... would all view the words through their prism of belief. The founding Fathers were afraid of Tyrannical Governments both Secular and Religious because both had failed to meet the standards they thought were achievable. I agree they did not want one religion to dominate the politics or to run the government, but to take that to the extent they didn't want religion involved at all is taking it clearly to far. They used the word"God" or the "Creator" as a protector of man from secular governments by saying theses rights are given to us by a creator and can not be taken away by any man. To deny a "God" or "Creator" would mean you deny your unalienable rights. Rights given by a government can be taken away by that same government, rights given by a creator can only be taken away by said Creator and that means the Government has no say. They tried to protect both the secular and the religious from Government persecution, but the secular have tried to use the Seperation of Church and State as a tool to BAN religious freedoms in the public setting.
"God" or "Almighty God" appears in around 38 state constitutions. Again I'm not saying they wanted a religious government, but clearly religion, and religious beliefs played a role in the founding of this country and is protected for a reason.
To address the issue brougtht up about racism...
I don't think that all republicans( or conservatives) are racist or that everyone who dislikes Obama is one either. I do not think that everyone on this board who speaks openly about their dislike for President Obama is racist either. What I, also being a black male, take offensive is watching tv or surfing the internet and seeing a blind hatred of the man, one that truly cannot be defined or understood without the word prejiduce. I know many of my friends who were in some way negatively affected by this administration's policies and have issues with the president and I respect that. However, when I see people ranting how my "evil messiah is planning to dstroy the USA as we know it" I get worried. (It seems many forget he is only a president limited by checks and balances, one BIG one being congress). Some of these people cannot name one way their life was personally affected for the worse by the president but will swear it is his goal to destroy them. Can someone please explain that. What is driving their fear of the man?
To wrap that up because I TRULY hate playing the race card. I am not saying that all of those opposed to Obama are in fact racist, I am just here to claim that these racist exist. Though me and you may disagree on the number, even if the true number is less than mine to those that deny it I can assure you it is greater than yours. Until these people admit they are in fact racist I don't see why this is a topic to argue about.
To those who disargree with the president on an economic side, all I have is a question. From this point on, what will your republican candidate do to improve the economy, and I mean iniatives Obama is not offering at the moment. I do not want to hear lowering taxes (becasue that has been tried), or overhauling Obamacare. Also I do not want to hear balancing the budget. That is because balancing the budget is something that must be done over years and the effect that will have on citizens will not be seen in the near future.
I am asking you what would your candidate do to help an unemployed capable worker in 2012 not be unemployed in 2013?
See there are some folks on here that do themselves no justice....I wont name them but they are from the midwest if thats any clue ...and its not about which political party u belong to..its about being a poor example of a human being..or most likely the result of a shallow gene pool
Stanley, will do as long as you keep up your immature 2 year old name calling.
Nothing was learned in Iowa MSNBC and the libbie element. It is nothing more than the Republican process of selecting a candidate to win against the Obama!
My, but the libbie racists are out in full-force today......nothing much to sell from your favorite candidate, that arrogant 4th best President of all time.
I certainly am ready for the debates between the GOP candidate and Obama.
I think the best thing these GOP candidates can do is to keep their mouths shut, I was going to vote for Romney but after watching him speak last night and the reactions on his family faces, I'm going to vote for OBAMA, he came off as a big FAKE last night .... Just saying what he thinks we all want to hear, I'm more concerned about doing what they say they will do, OBAMA kept most of his promises it's not his fault that people had buyers remorse on the Health care plan, he campaigned on that issue and followed through, it's the people that did not up hold their end ....
David Walker: As usual, your commentary is profound, educated, and spot-on. Thank you. We need more sober voices here.
The question isn't whether God is a part of our nation's history. The modern day struggle is which God. Is it the God of the "moral majority", the God of Pharoah, the God of Ceasar, the God of Henry the 8th. Or is it the God of slaves, the God of non-citizens of the empire, the God of the lost, the rejected, the sinner, the crucified. It isn't that the God of Jesus cares only about the poor, it's that the God of Jesus calls us to love the "others" in our society, in a way that calls them, not forces them, to live new lives. And in the process, the God of Jesus, transforms our lives as well.
As long as "Christians" and political candidates, continue to spout the "Christianity of the Empire", continue to to break down the wall between church and state, continue to try to legislate their "religion" in our nation, continue to treat people of different races, different lifestyles, different religions as less than fully human - it is plain to see which God they serve.
And it's not the God of the Enlightenment, John Locke, the framers of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence - who recognized that ALL human beings have unalienable rights, endowed by their creator. The challenge for us as Christians - is to make sure that ALL, the least, the last, even those who we oppose, are guaranteed these rights - for then we will truly be a FREE people, and a nation of FREEDOM.
The message of the cross - is that every religion is co-opted by the ruling and dominant class of society for their own ends - what more telling symbol of this is there than the God who was crucified by the state and the leaders of his own religion? Through the cross - this fraud and injustice is revealed and people have the opportunity to realize God's kingdom in their midst.
Dear wonderful America:
I am not a democrat (and definitely not a socialist) but a concerned proud American, who
loves this country to death, but the republicans (conservatives) have to go. I don't understand (unless it is just pure brainwashing and/or stupidity) how people vote for the republicans and conservatives. Obama is an amazing politician, person, and true American. However, the awful and hateful republicans continue to hurt and destroy this country by not allowing the government to pass these wonderful policies and laws that are being brought to the table by Obama and his administration and some other democrats. It's like he is giving us the solutions and corrections on what will make this country progress, develop, and get so much better, and then the crabby/difficult and manipulative/evil republicans do not support and vote for the potential policies and laws. And, they don't support them because they are not going to work or be good for America, but they don't support them because they are from a brilliant Democrat who is trying to help the country, but is having a difficult time because the republicans don't care about this country.
The dirty republicans want to continue to play games, slander others, lie, cheat, steal,
and be (what needs to be said) racist. If Obama was white, the republicans would probably at least respect him a little. In addition, all the republicans care about is themselves and no one else, even not other republicans (unless you are a billionaire) and are going to donate a lot of money to their campaigns. If the policy or law focused on tax cuts for the rich and their businesses, the republicans would vote for those in a heartbeat, but when it comes to helping
the poor and middle class, the republicans have to say that the potential law is going to be socialist and bad for the country. Are you kidding me?
Wake up America!!! Stop voting for republicans and their selfish and evil ways. Support
the current President and his brilliant ideas. This country would be in such an amazing and better place if Obama and the other democrats have been able to pass more of their policies and laws due to the stubborn and mean republicans. In addition, which is also another long discussion, Obama is trying to clean up the infinite mess and devastating decisions that were made by Bush and previous Republicans. All Bush and the republicans did was drive this country into the ground and steal millions of dollars for themselves. They also hurt millions of
innocent Americans just so they could get rich. Shame on you Bush and all the republicans. You all are criminals and should be locked up or please just leave this country and get out. All you care about is yourself and your money. It is going to take decades for us to recover from the horrible and awful decisions that were made by Bush, previous republican presidents, and other stupid republican policies and laws. America is about the people and helping people,
not about keeping the rich rich and making the republicans more money. republicans are horrible and sick people.
Please support and continue to support these wonderful and amazing decisions, bills,
policies, and laws that Obama and the democrats are bringing to the table. You will not be sorry. They are for the people and the greater good, not just for a specific group of people to help make them stay or get rich.
P.S. I am not a democrat but just really care about this country and its people and after
decades of studying republicans, democrats, and other political ideas, it is obvious that the republicans are lying to everyone and have a selfish agenda. If everyone would stop taking sides, they would be able to see the truth of what the republicans and conservatives are
really trying to do, which is try to make themselves rich and everyone else poor. Shame on all of you republicans and conservatives, especially the tea party members.
For you republicans who read my post, please please please wake up and quit being
brainwashed and/or quit being selfish and think about the greater good. In addition, collapsing my post is proof enough that you do not want the truth to be told. And, you are the hypocrite because I do as I say and republicans/conservatives want people to leave them alone but want to make others like them through laws. Keep your values and religion out of our laws
and government. Shame on you.
To My Fellow Americans. In these times of hardship we must be Thankful for one thing? The Rnc has provided us with countless, endless laughter for years now. And we must be Thankful. SNL has the entire year of script. We cannot complain of the entertainment from the clown car. Ahhhhh chucky ducky do, its been great. We can look forward to endless entertainment for 11 months to come. Thank you, Rnc/teabags
Zen,
You have so deeply throated your Muslim Love that he can scratch his sac and your arse at the same time.
(Dear Editors: if you penalize me for that innuendo, in spite of allowing the constant use of the foul teabag term, and now Flatulent Redhead & Co w/ the Dumb 'Fux' Logo, then you will be showing your true colors)
The Democ Rats had two years of total control in DC. There can be no plausible blame placed on Republicans for all that they did, and anything they failed to do.
The Stinkubus failed. So spaketh Joe 'Bite Me.'
According to all the independent polling roughly 2/3 of the country opposes Obamascare.
And Obama's only FP successes have come from the stringent continuation of the Bush Policies v the War against Islamic Terrorism.
Yeah, that's a record to run from. Any Republican beats Obama. He has lost the Swing States. They won't be back.
The economy sucks, Obama's fault. Inflated food prices are busting household budgets, Obama's fault. Gasoline remains outrageously high, Obama's fault. Turmoil troubles the globe and he is powerless to correct it.
So dream on, Mr. 'independent.' Hardee har har. Give us a freakin' break...Monica.
poor louisJ, 4 interviewees express displeasure with obamas presidency and louisj blows up with many FR libs praising him.
To top it off he brings up the race card. With the number of MSN political threads other than FR why is it that FR libs always try bringing up the race card?
I really don't care if obama is female, orange, wheelchair bound or whatever. He has consistantly shown an inability to lead America towards unity and his current policy of distancing the WH from interacting with congress shows me his disdain for our constitutional system of government. America doesn't need a dictator.
Feisty , I thought you will not be here anymore. You made a bet and you lost....
Joe, fyi,
There are a couple of styles of zen, the most practiced today are rinzai and soto.
Both are in the buddhist tradition, but as they are ultimately based on the wisdom of personal insight (beyond conceptual thought) no doctrine or text is needed. However, the guiding principles of buddhism such as 'do good, don't do bad', are helpful references when the going gets rough in life.
But no tradition of zen is muslim.There is zero cultural, historical or geographic relationship.
Note that AQ terrorists are not true muslims. Just as Christians who crucify everyone else to fulfill their own selfish ends are not true Christians.
What we know now...
Enthusiasm is greatest when voting FOR something rather than out of irrational hatred. The slightly higher turn-out was due to Ron Paul supporters who are passionate about their candidate, and not just a hate fest against our president -- who is FAR more qualified than any GOP/TP presidential candidate. At some point Paul will drop out and his supporters will are less likely to fall in line behind one of the other candidates (certainly not if he runs as an Independent). And finally, if there was a Dem caucus in Iowa, my bet is the turn out would surpass the results last night for Teapublicans.
Romney cannot win TeaVangelical votes. Gingrich now has a mission other than selling books, and that will be to destroy Romney. Santorum is about to be vetted and will start to drop like all the others before him -- Santorum's record is a repeat of Dubya complete with war-mongering, tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and born-again agenda that included the Terri Schiavo intervention and questionable county money for home schooling. If Perry stays in, he will have more debates to look forward to. Good luck Teapublicans.
I passionately support my candidate. Obama/Biden - 2012!
Anna banana Have you forgotten the reverend wright already? Or bill ayers? Ill take the financially intelligent and morally responsible Mr Romney over the community organizer any day! Obama is a shill For Goldman Sachs!
Looks like there's quite a few people who are short-sighted and dim witted around here today. Obama is just a rehash of Carter. Romney is the GOP Obama. Santorum (Sanatorium) is GWII who has said outright that he would go to war with Iran. {And you can bet that Obama, & Romney would do the same, because their masters would tell them to.} But if you stand for the Constitution and Liberty, your a Ron Paul supporting kook.
So how about a bit of news from overseas regarding what would happen if we do go to war (ie - invade) Iran?
Chinese General Threatens US with World War 3 over Iran - Dec 3rd, 2011
Wake up and get a clue people!
We have two choices: Ron Paul - or - War. Which one will it be?
{For those interested, look up George Washington's Vision. Pat VERY special attention to the "Third Peril".}
Correction: PAY VERY special attention to the "Third Peril".
We're now getting close to the selection of the GOP candidate, and already the negative comments start. I love the race card players for using it......not much else you can use when your candidate is who he is. Shortly, you probably will use the emotion card, which all libbies buy into. Make the population feel engaged by using the Dem trick to create excessive emotion over a talking agenda point.
Whether it's 'Mittens', or another candidate, it will be fun to hear your excuses from this point forward.
Won't it be fun to hear Barry talk about his strengths, his abilities, and his successes. Why, will it be difficult to compete against the '4th Greatest President of all Time' (per Obama)? I can't wait to hear him focus on his administration's record.
Joe-738652,
You do not make any sense. Your comments are untrue and lies. You are a part of the problem with this country and world. Please, please, please wake up and stop believing the lies you are being told by the republicans and conservatives. So, either you are a billionaire or you are brainwashed or you are not that bright. My guess is that you are a combination of the three but probably the latter. Let me guess, you were raised that way. Joe, please don't believe everything you hear, especially from other republicans. You are being lied to. I cannot believe you think that Obama is not succeeding and that people do not like the Health Care act, which is fabulous. The reason the economy is bad is because of the Bush W. policies, the rich and greedy republican business people, in addition to the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations and their horrible policies and decisions. If we got another republican president, the economy would be even worse than it is right now. The only reason why we are doing as good as we are doing is because of Obama. It is so sad to hear the republicans avoid responsibility and try to blame the current president for the horrible decisions and failures of the Bush administration. In regards to wonderful and fabulous health care act, the only reason why people do not like it is because the republicans lied to the public about what the act was supposed to do. The evil manipulative republicans lied and made up rumors about the health care act. How low can they go? So, it is not that people do not like the health care act, it is because they don't understand it and have heard lies from the republicans about it. And, the reasons that the republicans do not like the health care act are because they did not think of it first, it was produced by democrats, and the act actually helps people and helps people who are not rich. It is almost like the republicans do not want good health for our children and the citizens who cannot afford health care. Shame on you.
Back Door,
The Muslim is in the WH.
Zen is an Obama horror.
And you are not as bright as you think.
Zen,
You are as unenlightened as a black hole.
Obama has been POTUS for 3 years. He claimed this was his economy 2 years ago. Biden said "the Stimulus failed." Obama admitted there weren't 'shovel ready' jobs.
And if you are an 'independent,' then Obama is-as my numbskull, self described "angry progressive" brother says-a 'closet Republican.'
Michael, you have the right to choose whatever icon you want, but just know that using one that demeans our President demeans yourself as well.
Mitt Romney's top campaign contributors:
Goldman Sachs $235,275
Citigroup Inc $178,450
Merrill Lynch $176,125
Morgan Stanley $170,350
Lehman Brothers $154,800U
BS AG $125,150
JPMorgan Chase & Co $123,800
Bain & Co $121,475
Marriott International $121,150
Bain Capital $118,550
Kirkland & Ellis $111,700
The Villages $110,900
Credit Suisse Group $104,900
Compuware Corp $103,550
Huron Consulting $102,050
PricewaterhouseCoopers $92,250
American Financial Group $87,550
Affiliated Managers Group $82,112
Cerberus Capital Management $79,450
Sun Capital Partners $77,850
WHO DO YOU THINK THIS GUY WORKS FOR?
Iowa has basically left the status quo intact in the Republican race. The field is a muddle at the top, while the herd is thinned at the bottom. Romney may have "won" Iowa, but the margins are so close as to be virtually meaningless. Santorum provided the strongest performance of the night and has a chance to galvanize conservative voters that ditched Perry and Bachmann into a serious right-wing challenge of Romney's dominance. The split of the GOP is looming as a potential disaster for the party in November. http://www.sunstateactivist.org
same story line was used 4 years ago after the democrats in iowa split the vote in 3 large pieces. 68% of democrats did not vote for obama. the party was very split and the potential disaster in november was greatly discussed.
it had no relevance then and none now.
remember that all this stuff works on both sides. all republicans and democrats are neither evil or saintly. some on each side of the aisle fall into each category.
This is all a humbug. If people think for a second that the voters in Iowa did not factor in the fact that Mit is a Mormon...............
james is exactly right, Americans have short memories and the General Election is a long way away, all this will be forgotten within the first two weeks after a nomination has been made. I remember how Republicans thought some women would vote for McCain because of what they thought was unfair treatment of Hillary. It didn't happen.
Have the people not heard, romney has the endorsement of congress ( not all ), that alone is enough to not vote for him, this has been the most dead beat congress ever. Vote for Rick Santorum.
Listen? Can ya hear it? The fat lady sang.......see ya in 2016. and dont come back unless you have a decent candidate RNC. Americans have had it with your insanity.
Auscitizen - as if the "hope and change" candidate and potus elect has proven to be effective except to foster divisiveness in congress and now trying to distance himself from congress and the counterbalance that our founding fathers created when they created our three branches of government with our US Constitution.
Do all you people endlessly demonizing all Republicans as being bigots understand the hypocrisy of your statements?
Hey Jerry. Rick Sanatorium is not a wise choice for the long haul. Ricky is G.W. II who has said outright that he would go to war with Iran. {And you can bet that Obama, & Romney would do the same, because their masters would tell them to.} Romney is the GOP version of Obama. And Obama is just a rehash of Carter. But if you stand for the Constitution and Liberty, your a Ron Paul supporting kook. Who, by the way, is the ONLY one who will keep us out of another war...
So how about a bit of news from overseas regarding what would happen if we do go to war (ie - invade) with Iran?
Chinese General Threatens US with World War 3 over Iran - Dec 3rd, 2011
Wake up and get a clue people!
We have two choices: Ron Paul - or - War. Which one will it be?
{For those interested, look up George Washington's Vision. Pay VERY special attention to the "Third Peril".}
Santorium took a tie for the lead mainly due to the rest of the crowd losing position with the Iowa population. But it isn't over yet, just sorting out the leaders from the runners.
Probably down to the wire btwn 'Mittens' and Newt. All the rest are has beens, along with the Dem, Barry O.
There is still time to correct the error of the last election.
Winemaker, it was not an error that Obama was elected. You'd prefer to have someone like Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency? That was a major error on McCain's part, one that cost him the election, in part.
Bethie from Texas,
Where in my posts have I inferred that I perfer a Palin in government? You need to quit making assumptions based upon your individual views.
Of course Obama is an error, my opinion and you may differ all you want to.
Seen on a bumper sticker this morning: Obama, the quicker f**kerupper.
Absolutely true. I was prepared to vote McCain. At first I thought Palin was a good choice. Then I looked into her and was scared away. I chose not to vote at all for President.
Today I am not happy at how Obama has run things - I AM MORE PISSED OFF at how the Republicans have fought him on everything. They didn't do it for the good of the Nation they did it for politics - SCREW THEM.
Without the cooperation of the GOP Obama had a difficult time getting anything done.
However as Commander in Chief he got a lot done. That tells me alot.
If Huntsman was to get the nomination I would probably vote for him - He won't. So this time I will vote, but it will be a vote for Obama.
The GOP has become a bunch of self-righteous religious freaks. More interested in pushing their CHURCH into government. They are more interested in making controversy where there is none (birth certificate) and they are more interested in power than they are the welfare of this nation.
I am a Christian - Big Time. I am also an American, and our forefathers very deliberately kept religion out of the government.
Sorry about the rant - had to get that off my chest.
Quiet returns to Iowa. It is now safe to answer the telephone without being bombarded with robo-calls and daily polls asking the same question they asked the day before. It is safe to turn on the main television channels without seeing a nonstop barrage of negative attack ads about the other candidate. It is safe to turn on the radio and actually hear something besides campaign ads.
Romney squeaked out a win but barely. Santorum almost won. Paul was third, Gingrich fourth and the rest, except Huntsman who skipped Iowa, need to go home while they still have some pride.
Odd, Romney was unable to break that 25% number. Five years of campaigning in Iowa and 75% of caucus goers picked someone else. Santorum nearly won but think about it, he was the last evangelical candidate standing unscathed and sounding reasonable; he was the only extreme right conservative left for the far right to embrace. His near victory in Iowa should have an asterisk beside his name with a footnote: *the others imploded sooner.
What this weak win for Romney means, in my view, is that republican voters are not willing to accept the establishment GOP's annointed candidate this time. They have been sold that idea for decades; the one who came in second before, is the one to win this time. The one blessed by Karl Rove and the other establishment republicans is unacceptable to the far right of the party which one should note is now the majority in the GOP. There are few moderates left.
What happens next in the GOP primary process is anyones guess. My guess is that Willard "Mitt" Romney has a longer fight ahead than he thought.
David Yepsen … I would have expected a much larger turnout but it was ok.
So the great enthusiasm increase for Republicans to get rid of the Liberal in the Whitehouse is all of 3% greater than 4 years ago.
FR: "Getting 140,000 or 150,000 would have shown real enthusiasm. Republicans didn’t get that last night. It may have been more a reflection on the candidate field than on the prospect of defeating the president."
Aren't those really the same thing? All we learned after last night is that after all the frenzy and media hype about Iowa, nothing's really changed. Romney still can't win over 75% of his own party, and while Santorum may indeed have won if he'd had that one more day, chances are if he'd two or three more days of the scrutiny his predecessors had, he'd have burned out just as quickly.
Okay, it's a long game, and this was just the opening kickoff. But the GOP pretty much went three and out on their first possession. And the crowd seems to be really quiet.
I left some coffee and danish on the bar at the DDI. Thought you guys might want a cup after the late night!
Dennis, David Yepsen is always a voice of reason. I've watched and listened to him for years; he is never partisan. I have no idea whether he leans right or left because he looks at everything with a professional, objective voice.
I agree. If there was so much dislike and anger at getting President Obama out of the White House, the numbers of caucus goers should have been much higher. The truth that the media fails to mention is that in Iowa there are still more registered democrats than republicans; and more independents than both. Independents did not turn out by the thousands to caucus for the GOP candidates. I have no facts but my guess is the additional 3,067 attendees were most likely supporters of Ron Paul; that's who the independents probably supported.
Its pretty quiet in Iowa, okay, Jody. Particularly among what is left of the Obama cult.
As reported here and elsewhere, Obama had a goal in the Iowa caucuses- to best Bush's 2004 showing of 3000 hardy souls showing up to caucus for an unopposed incumbent.
He fell short. Well short. Only 1094 showed up- despite the live web address.
This was a test of his ground game. An opportunity to show that his minions would still be marching along, shouting "yes we can" or "wtf" or "we can't wait" or whatever the latest lame slogan is today.
A third of his goal.
Wow.
Say it with me, Jody-
Obama shelved in 2012.
A Canadian's take-
Bachmann is truly down and out, she is a one track recording that skips on Obama bad, Obama bad
Gringrich is truly pissed off and will savage Romney relentlessly, especially in SC.
Ron Paul is the pea under the mattress that will give the GOP sleepless fits going forward. Watching his speech last night, my eyes were on Rand Paul staring into Ron’s back … a most unhappy gaze of a prince longing for the throne.
Last night was Perry’s last stumble and he should finally hit the dirt like a tumbleweed in Texas this morning. He was supposed to be the cream that rose to the top, instead he was the curds and whey.
Romney once again reminded me of a loaf of white bread that stays ‘fresh’ on the counter for months on end … tasteless and unfulfilling.
Santorum, my pick to win over a week ago, gave the best speech of the night and this horse now has a saddle for the Social Conservatives to ride. What he is doing by not bypassing NH boggles my mind. What with Newt’s ax coming down on Willard’s head, NC could be his for the taking.
On a nice night in Iowa the aroused GOP stayed home. Something else must have been in the tea. Perhaps Viagra?
phine, sure need the coffee this morning and a Danish sounds good, too! It was a late night. Had to unwind after getting home from the democratic caucus. It was so exciting to have President Obama speak directly to us in a live-feed address. That's a first for the Iowa caucus, a sitting President speaking live to his party's caucus attendees.
Ideologyspoils, perfect description of the GOP candidates.
Excellent analysis, ideology!
Poor no jo: still so desperate to be relevant. Say it with me no jo: no one cares what you think.
Thanks newday ... the vigra supposition might be true, perhaps they were told to stay home as no one wanted to mill about with stiffs.
Thanks for the report from the ground in Iowa, Jody. Glad you will have some peace and quiet today.
I'll bet there are 9 people who voted for Perry, Gingrich or Bachmann who regret not selecting Santorum and giving him the victory.
In my view the GOP establishment courted the ultra-conservatives and created the Tea Party to do their bidding and is now learning that they can't control their creation. Sound familiar to movie buffs? It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of people.
my bad, 'NC could be his for the taking should' read SC ...
Just a piece of information folks might be interested in. This morning on "Morning Joe", the winner of the Iowa caucus was on. When asked by Mike Barnacle about his policy differences between Mr. Romney and Mr. Santorum, the Iowa winner gave a chuckle and told Mike that he didn't really know what Rick's posistions were on some of the issues as his campaign had only concentrated on those high up in the polls. Hmmmm, guess he was napping whenever Mr. Santorum spoke during the 101 debates. To my ear, it sounded a bit arrogant, dismissive of his fellow candidates. But, then you can decide
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I left some coffee and danish on the bar at the DDI. Thought you guys might want a cup after the late night!
Thanks, phine
The right wing nut jobs need psychotropic drugs.
Jody, Iowa:
I feel terrible. When you wrote:
I realized I had been misunderstanding what Republicans were saying. It was, "PEACE on you." My bad.
newdayDAWNING...RETURNED
Poor no jo: still so desperate to be relevant. Say it with me no jo: no one cares what you think.
Good morning newday
She can't help it; no matter how many times she says it. She has chronic Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS)!!!
No Joe---can you cite a source for your contention of low turnout for the Democrat caucuses?
Morning Beverly, and a good new year to you.
no jo just makes herself look sillier by the day.
And yet you and others constantly feel the need to comment on her posts. So it would seem the TRUTH is that lots of folks care about what no joe thinks -- especially when she shows the emporer Obama has no clothes.
SF,
Her @ss,...it's where all of her 'facts' come from. I wouldn't give it another thought. She truly believes that by virtue of saying it,...it is true.
Sure, billy, because hypocrisy, like yours and no jo's is so easy to make sport of.
You do look ridiculous. And the best part is that neither you or no jo get that.
To Michael1969, and Fed Up Senior;
HERE IT COMES!
A little late if you ask me, I expected it sooner.
The mantra of "you are a racist if you don't vote for Obama" has begun
But "Fed Up" got it right when he/she said they only recite that because it precludes any intellectual argument about the virtues (or lack thereof) of Obama's Presidency.
He has no record upon which to run. Aside from the capture of Bin laden, there is nothing"special" about his time in office. The economy still sucks, the jobless rate has "improved" (lol) to 8.6%, he didn't get us out of Iraq any sooner than the law prescribed, and he signed on to things that he spoke against while running for office (i.e. mandated health coverage, and corporate bailouts).
To Bev in Chicago; get real, you're making yourself look like an @!$%#.
To Gingerbread Mamma; Yes, I was/am a Hillary Clinton supporter. I think the party threw her under the bus, and caved in to independents and third party PUKES who come and go every four years without ever making a solid comitment to the Democratic cause. They are responsible for all the damage Bush did to this country because of their support for Ralph Nader in 2000. They are dragging the party to the extreme left, and thus ruining its chances of becoming the center-left voice of reason that Bill Clinton envisioned when he took over in 1993.
Obama simply hasn't gotten the job done. He promised us change. But, we come to find out that he's just the same as anyone else. He said he would put ALL Federal Contracts above 25K out for bid. Then gave a 433 Million dollar contract to a personal friend and major donor. He signed off on corporate bailouts, after railing against them during the 2008 campaign, and his healthcare reform package contained NO public option, but rather, MANDATED COVERAGE against which he also spoke in 2008.
These are things that hardcore, exteremist, partisans cannot/will not admit. They attack those like myself who bring them up, by either saying we're not Democrats, or calling us "racists."
Both arguments circumvent discussion on the failures of the Obama administration. As long as you can put someone on the defensiveby name-calling them, you don't have to answer any questions about your candidates record of failure.
THAT is how elections are won in this country. You shout down the other side by calling them racists, or by using snarky-snyde-sarcasm-and rancor towards people with whom you disagree. Instead of arguing the facts, and the record.
We could SMELL the racist thing coming from a mile away. I would be careful with that, because David Dinkins tried using it here in NY back in 1993, and it eventually did him in.
And finally, to Nasty-RedNeck; you really need to come up with a different line. You've used that one about the medications at least half a dozen times in the last month alone. It's niether true, nor funny, and makes you look like a moron for being unable to come up with anything else.
And of course, your namecalling "nasty redneck" makes you look like a blooming intellectual.
Give it up, J Merle, you bore the snot out of everyone.
NDD,
Poor J. Merle - still hasn't figured out I'm talking about her, not to her... ;o)
Just like the nut job from NJ...
*yawn*
J. Merle Stanley-2759623
Clara; said it best about Michelle Bachmann pulling stuff out of her @ss. So do you. You're not fooling me you are a RepubliCon trying to divide and conquer.
Same thing every day from the poor soul, Feisty.
Beverly,
To be clear,...or rather to CLARAfy, I was referring to nojo with my comment.
LOL, I have to laugh. "NewDOUCHE ...RETURNED" says I'm boring everyone to death.
But, the first three posts underneath mine are to/about ME from him/her, Nasty-RedNeck, and Beverly.
LOL......well, it looks like I'm interesting enough to the three of you jackasses. Ha Ha
Just curious when your Junior High Schools return from Christmas break. It'll be nice when the three of you go back to school, and it's just us adults discussing politics here.
P.S. Bev, you can believe whatever you want. I have nothing to prove to the like of your sorry, ignorant, unintelligent ass. Especially not after 35 years as a registered Democrat. Like I said yesterday, girly; you need to get honest, mostly with yourself.
And more blathering by J Merle:
So, to understand this, name calling is all right when YOU do it.
How, um, ADULT of you.
Honestly, I have skipped over your posts for years. You do expand the meaning of "boring" out of all compass.
Dear wonderful America:
I am not a democrat (and definitely not a socialist) but a concerned proud American, who
loves this country to death, but the republicans (conservatives) have to go. I don't understand (unless it is just pure brainwashing and/or stupidity) how people vote for the republicans and conservatives. Obama is an amazing politician, person, and true American. However, the awful and hateful republicans continue to hurt and destroy this country by not allowing the government to pass these wonderful policies and laws that are being brought to the table by Obama and his administration and some other democrats. It's like he is giving us the solutions and corrections on what will make this country progress, develop, and get so much better, and then the crabby/difficult and manipulative/evil republicans do not support and vote for the potential policies and laws. And, they don't support them because they are not going to work or be good for America, but they don't support them because they are from a brilliant Democrat who is trying to help the country, but is having a difficult time because the republicans don't care about this country.
The dirty republicans want to continue to play games, slander others, lie, cheat, steal,
and be (what needs to be said) racist. If Obama was white, the republicans would probably at least respect him a little. In addition, all the republicans care about is themselves and no one else, even not other republicans (unless you are a billionaire) and are going to donate a lot of money to their campaigns. If the policy or law focused on tax cuts for the rich and their businesses, the republicans would vote for those in a heartbeat, but when it comes to helping
the poor and middle class, the republicans have to say that the potential law is going to be socialist and bad for the country. Are you kidding me?
Wake up America!!! Stop voting for republicans and their selfish and evil ways. Support
the current President and his brilliant ideas. This country would be in such an amazing and better place if Obama and the other democrats have been able to pass more of their policies and laws due to the stubborn and mean republicans. In addition, which is also another long discussion, Obama is trying to clean up the infinite mess and devastating decisions that were made by Bush and previous Republicans. All Bush and the republicans did was drive this country into the ground and steal millions of dollars for themselves. They also hurt millions of
innocent Americans just so they could get rich. Shame on you Bush and all the republicans. You all are criminals and should be locked up or please just leave this country and get out. All you care about is yourself and your money. It is going to take decades for us to recover from the horrible and awful decisions that were made by Bush, previous republican presidents, and other stupid republican policies and laws. America is about the people and helping people,
not about keeping the rich rich and making the republicans more money. republicans are horrible and sick people.
Please support and continue to support these wonderful and amazing decisions, bills,
policies, and laws that Obama and the democrats are bringing to the table. You will not be sorry. They are for the people and the greater good, not just for a specific group of people to help make them stay or get rich.
P.S. I am not a democrat but just really care about this country and its people and after
decades of studying republicans, democrats, and other political ideas, it is obvious that the republicans are lying to everyone and have a selfish agenda. If everyone would stop taking sides, they would be able to see the truth of what the republicans and conservatives are
really trying to do, which is try to make themselves rich and everyone else poor. Shame on all of you republicans and conservatives, especially the tea party members.
For you republicans who read my post, please please please wake up and quit being
brainwashed and/or quit being selfish and think about the greater good. In addition, collapsing my post is proof enough that you do not want the truth to be told. And, you are the hypocrite because I do as I say and republicans/conservatives want people to leave them alone but want to make others like them through laws. Keep your values and religion out of our laws
and government. Shame on you.
LOL, so I see "NewDOUCHE...RETURNED" has a sensitive side. Awwwww, tsk tsk tsk, you can dish it out, but you can't take it.
Take a good look at your com-padre, Nasty RedNeck's posts, not just to me, but to everyone who disagrees with her.
You just don't like getting a good dose of your own medicine.
To "F"ing bad, chump. You will get back just as much "respect" as you give to others...and I wouldn't be talking about what's "adult" behavior and what's not if I were you.
You and your friends are the poster children for sophomoric, boorish message-board behavior.
So grow up, and get yourself a life.
Jody - It sure is nice to not hear the phone ringing. Enjoy it while you can, I am sure it will start ringing again after august.
Hi guys, Mitts knows a lot more than he would ever say in an interview, last night was politics as usual.
One does have to question how a candidate comes from 6% just three days before the caucus to tie for the lead?
I think the fact that Dr Paul held 21% after the hatchet job the Iowa Republican Establishment tried to do absolutely shows the power of his message. Lets see how he does in a primary state...
Dennis - keep up with those turnout results in Iowa for the GOP caucus. The only turnout that will count comes in november.
As reported here on FR earlier and by bloombergTV's WH correspondant, hans nicholls (sp) today, Obama wants to distance himself and the WH from congress. The split will likely become very apparent after the payroll tax is extended for a year. Funny isn't it that the house wanted to extend it for year but the senate and obama didn't?
If obama does distance himself as reported I am sure that many democrats will realize that obama only wants what he wants, not what America wants. Should be an interesting turnout for both parties + the independents.
Egilman - the analysis made by KCCI in des moines suggested that santorum's increase in the polls were due to his consistant face to face campaigning in iowa over the past month. Couple that with a shortage of campaign cash, one can say that the grass roots approach still works as shown in the caucus results..
I will leave the other possability to other posters.
american,
The Senate 2 month extension was to save face for Republicans because of the other attachments to the bill that would cause Dems to vote against the bill.
My goodness J Merle:
So easy to get to you. Good to know. I am fascinated by people who are easy to provoke and lack the intellectual gifts.
Always seems to go hand in hand.
Beverly,
I'm not familiar with this particular malady. Can you provide any specifics regarding the symptoms that result from being exposed to Obama's Derangement? And, do you know how long one must be exposed before being affected?
American @ 3.35
here ya go....
I posted this earlier on another thread, it seems appropriate here also...
Hi Guys, I was a mite depressed after last night so I was just puddling around the net after the caucus and found something that is interesting...
I knew that the republicans would play dirty, looks like Santorum had more than just God's help....
Check some of these out...
presstv.com/usdetail/219170.html
Radio Interview....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQXVB9buAmc
She pretty much predicts the Iowa results the day before the caucus....
Iowa shouldn't be first in the nation... Politics is a Dirty Business but to be this bold faced about it, I'm not so depressed anymore I knew there had to be a reason someone come from 6% irrelevant in three days to almost win..........
Santorum's nephew endorses Dr. Paul...
www.examiner.com/conspiracy-in-denver/santorum-s-nephew-endorses-ron-paul
I apologize if my wit is not quite as sharp today as it usually is. It was a late night last night as I was following the caucus results.
Mainly, I just wanted to see how long the networks could continue saying "Santorum Surge" while keeping a straight face.
Same here Noid!
It was fascinating watching the train derail!
Bat @!$%# crazy Bachmann didn't disappoint! ;o)
Sharp wit?
This from a moonbat who thinks a 1990s pizza ad icon is the epitome of hilarity...and who giggles endlessly about a grade school level despicable Google trick about Santorum's name.....
That is funny.
I also stayed up watching
The Biggest Loser,OOPS, The Iowa Caucuses. What a nice 3 way split, with Newt getting just enough votes to make him want to stay in and go negative on evrybody else.I have to disagree with that...
Here is my take a way, Newt is only going to go ballistic on Willard & his fat cat
croniesdonors!Willard the rat now has a big old bullseye on his ass! ;o)
If we learned anything about Newt, it would be a wounded Newt is a dangerous Newt!
Newt will definitely go after Mittens first, as we all know, He's a retaliatory type of guy. I think once he gets going, he'll want to spread the love to anyone else running.
But, your right Feisty, Mitt has a HUGE target on his ass. And Newt has a Nice new sniper rifle. :)
"Santorum Surge", I like that. I just call him "Sanatorium". However close he got, he still has 49 more states to go and most will flush his score along with Perry's, Bachmann's and Newt's.
Very funny Da Noid .. and the headlines just keep sinking lower. Today was Romeny edging against Santorum. Ugh!!
I certainly hope republicans got up this moring and googled Rick Santorium to find out more about him. LOL
Shellie,
THAT was funny, thanks!
PS. I always wondered what Sanchez could have said to get THAT visual/nickname? lol
Slightly off topic, but related to the Iowa caucus, I see that Bachmann quit the race. I suddenly broke out into song "Ding, Dong, the witch is dead..."
Can we throw a house on top of her just in case? We can cut the legs sticking out later.
Yes! .0003 of the People have spoken!
EXACTLY! 25,000 people in Iowa where there is a 6% unemployment rate means ZILCH, Nothing, Nada, Zero. It's shameful that anyone give any credibility to this vote last night. There is no reason to believe that it is significant or that Santorum is a viable candidate. Useless jibberish.
Newty gets the BIGGEST FATSO LIAR AWARD. EVER... Cant wait till he is gone too. The clown car is almost empty.........yea for America
But WHO will mitten ask to be vp? Actually does not matter......the election is over. President Obama WINS AGAIN. Rnc must be peeing in their boots and singing the blues.....Aint got nobody.
AUSsie you should live in a communist Co. The biggest clown is still in office. I can't wait till Nov. His but will be out. We will get our country back.
Two down, three to go...
Dont forget about the big fat liar NEWTY........
I'm not sure the outcome of Iowa is as important as what will result from that same outcome.
Gingrinch is going to full revenge mode described as "truth". He is mad at Mitty because of the ads that the Superpacs ran against him, which were also "truth". Gingrinch thinks that truth is unfair, if it disturbs his grandiose view of himself as President, one that only he, and his equally morally corupt "wife", share.
Hope Mitty is ready for the result. A Newtie who does not get his way is a Newtie that is going out on a metaphorical seek and destroy mission.
Newday -
Yesterday Gingrich called Romney a liar and asked "Do you really want a Massachusetts moderate who won't level with you to run against Barack Obama who, frankly, will just tear him apart?" And now he says he's a “Massachusetts moderate good at managing decay". I was thinking last night that this should make for a fun display when they get to that carefully orchestrated lovefest at the convention. Remember Teddy Kennedy and Jimmy Carter dancing around the stage in 1980 trying not to even make eye contact with each other? This'll be sort of like that......only not as warm and fuzzy.
Absoposilutely , JoAnn:
Gingrinch is not going to take this lying down.
He has a weird view of life. Telling the truth about him is lying, him lying is telling the truth.
Kind of what you would expect from a serial adulterer.
newdayD, exactly right, it isn't who won in Iowa, it is the impact the nearly 3-way tie will have.
JoAnne, Newt Gingrich looked as if he would explode last night. I think the NH debate will be all out war for Newt and Romney, who doesn't do well under fire, will be bruised badly.
It does bring out Mitty's petulant and preppy entitled side, doesn't it Jody?
These primaries are the difficult part, the easy part will be later as the victor of these primaries will get to run against the Unqualifed Media Elite Annoited One President of the Great Recession.
OK So pick one , at least 75% voted against . But its a strong showing ?
This reminds me of my all time favorite movie quote . Siguerney Weaver :Aliens = " Did IQ's just drop sharply while I was away ? "
Since nobody else here has anything relevant to say re the Iowa Caucus other thatn the usual BS complaints about racism and blah blah blah, here's some great LIBERAL quotes from 2011 that First Read apparently forgot to add in it's "end of the year" list. Many are from some of your more idiotic and unhinged heroes. Some quotes are from people you may never have heard of. NONE of the quotes recieved much media coverage. Those of you who have ever known someone with a disabled child will love the quote from ultra-lib, Larry Flynt.
Storms Kill Over 250 Americans In States Represented By Climate Pollution Deniers — ThinkProgress Headline
Do you think this Constitution-loving is getting out of hand? — Joy Behar
The Republican Party is saying that the President of the United States has bosses, that the union bosses this President around, the unions boss him around. Does that sound to you like they are trying to consciously or subconsciously deliver the racist message that, of course, of course a black man can’t be the real boss? — Lawrence O’Donnell
We are taking away a choice that continues to let people waste their own money. — Energy Secretary Steven Chu on banning incandescent lightbulbs
They’re sitting on the money, they’re using it for their own — they’re putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We’ve allowed them to take that. That’s not theirs, that’s a national resource, that’s ours. We all have this — we all benefit from this or we all suffer as a result of not having it. — Michael Moore
Zionists dominate the government of the United States of America and her banking system. — Louis Farrakhan
I first would allow the guilty bankers to pay, you know, the ability to pay back anything over $100 million [of] personal wealth because I believe in a maximum wage of $100 million. And if they are unable to live on that amount of that amount then they should, you know, go to the reeducation camps and if that doesn’t help, then being beheaded. — Roseanne Barr, estimated net worth: $80 million
Our president is committing war crimes. What does that make him? A war criminal.– Cynthia McKinney
[I]f you go back to the year 2000, when we had an obvious disaster and – and saw that our voting process needed refinement, and we did that in the America Votes Act and made sure that we could iron out those kinks, now you have the Republicans, who want to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws and literally – and very transparently – block access to the polls to voters who are more likely to vote Democratic candidates than Republican candidates. And it’s nothing short of that blatant. — Debbie Wasserman Schultz
My fight against terrorism, to me, the biggest terrorist is Obama in the United States of America. I’m trying to fight the terrorism that’s actually causing the other forms of terrorism. You know, the root cause of terrorism is the stuff the U.S. government allows to happen. The foreign policies that we have in place in different countries that inspire people to become terrorists. — Lupe Fiasco
You have what I call the ‘Get the N-word out of the White House party,’ the Tea Party…. At the end of the day, there’s a big bubble coming out of their heads saying, you know, ‘Can we just lynch him?’ — Sean Penn
The issue here is not gonna be a list of accomplishments. As you said yourself, Steve, you know, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln. — Barack Obama
L. Ron Hubbard himself was and is trying to civilize white people and make them better human beings and take away from them their reactive minds … Mr. Hubbard recognized that his people have to be civilized. — Louis Farrakhan
Some of these folks in Congress right now would love to see us as second-class citizens. Some of them in Congress right now with this tea party movement would love to see you and me … hanging on a tree. Some of them right now in Congress are comfortable with where we were 50 and 60 years ago but it’s a new day with a black President and a Congressional Black Caucus. — Andre Carson
All of you are white. Go to hell! Go to hell! Go to hell! Go to hell! — Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price
This is all about (Chris Christie) being a bully and a punk. I wanted to punch him in his head. — Senate President Stephen Sweeney
We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the “decider” who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region.
…Same with the name, Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that they are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous resistance against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.” — Noam Chomsky
You know, if a ballplayer threw a game and they get caught, they go to jail. Well, what are we going to do to the Republicans who are throwing the country?
“They’re throwing our country, and they all should be put in jail for what they’re doing, because they’re destroying our country, because they said at the beginning our one mission is to get rid of President Obama. That was their mission. They don’t care how much they destroy other people. They don’t care whether you go to work. They don’t care about anything.
“All they want to do is destroy the president. And in destroying the president of the United States, you destroy our country. They should be put in jail, each and every one of them, for throwing the country. — Palm Beach County Commissioner, Burt Aaronson
I wish they (Republicans) were all f*cking dead! — Dan Savage
(Palin) did a disservice to every woman in America. She knew from the first month of pregnancy that kid was going to be Down’s Syndrome. It’s brain dead. A virtual vegetable. She carries it to all these different political events against abortion, she did it just because she didn’t want to say she’d had an abortion. How long is it going to live? Another 12, 15 years? Doesn’t even know it’s in this world. So what kind of compassionate conservative is she? I don’t think anybody will want her near the White House. — Larry Flynt
Thank you, Damage. Please keep posting these- its important that the average voter see who supports Obama- and uses that information to make an informed decision about whether or not they want to belong to that cult.
Actually, judging by the fact that he fell well short of his goal of besting Bush's2004 showing in Iowa, I'm pretty sure the answer is already a resounding "NO".
Damage123: Thanks for the post. The total stupidity of liberalism is always fun to read. You've got a good collection there.
Lmao.....I had to read that 4 times to get the reality of it.
I could put up a great collection of totally moonbat, leftwing kook quotes just from a WEEK on this board but A) I don't have time enough (too busy working and making tax $$$ for liberal entitlements). ...and B) The liberal dimwits on here and their opinions don't matter worth a s**t to anyone but themselves. They're just good entertainment.
By the way. Yall see Ellen Barkin's tweet the other night stating that "if Obama loses, a police state is just around the corner."....? She also called the NYPD "facist". You know, it used to be that used-up, has-been liberal actresses had to pose for Penthouse to get attention, now they can just throw out idiotic tweets.
Poor Damage, but you are so afraid of us, aren't you?
I rarely read what you write. It is so impossible to descend to your IQ level.
@newday -- You add absolutely nothing, nada, zero to this discussion board. Name calling and elitist talk invalidates everything you say.
newday - afraid of FR lib posters, not hardly. Actually more like pointing at FR libs and saying, "there but by the grace of God, go I".
Isn't it interesting that obama wants to distance himself from congress and in the process throw our constitution under the bus?
What's the matter Bennie? Did the truth hurt earlier?
The GOP is offering up a Rich Frat boy, or religious zealot, then theirs the Grinch, I mean Gingrich, wow could your party get any more pathetic.
Yes,
We could be the incumbent and make a big deal of producing a big turnout and then produce a whole 1000 supporters to caucus for our side. Sounds like your party has motivation problems that far exceed any problems we are facing. If there is anything pathetic, it is making a point to best the 3000 mark set by the previous incumbent and only producing 1000.
I will take a well supported Rich Frat boy, religious zealot or the Grinch over the current disappointment and uninspiring failure of a President we have. Because any of them are a better choice than BHO.
ABO 2012
YES, The out of touch RNC can and will get more entertaining as extreme desparation controls their thoughts and actions. If newty manages to lie his way to the ballot and he ask ms. paylin to be VP........Americans will once again be laughing alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way to the voting booths.
"But here is something to chew on for Romney: If he has a problem with conservative Republicans, and if they are his threat heading into the future GOP contests, why is he highlighting the Republican whom many movement and social conservatives love to hate?"
Because McCain won the NH Primary and is popular there. Probably long planned to be rolled out at this time. To crowd out any potential threat from Huntsman in NH.
Oh, I'm sure my friends on the right will call foul saying this is simply spin by the "elitist lame-stream media" but consider the numbers.
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Total Registered Republicans in Iowa, 1/3/2008 = 576231
Total Registered Republicans in Iowa, 1/3/2012 = 614913
Total Increase = 38682
Percent Increase from 2008 = 6.71%
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Total Votes in 2008 Iowa Caucus = 119188
Total Votes in 2012 Iowa Caucus = 122255
Total Increase = 3067
Percent Increase from 2008 = 2.57%
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Looks like an enthusiasm gap to me. You tell me if it appears this slate of candidates made Iowa go, "Meh."
Well . . . let the games begin!
We got the Iowa caucuses in our rear view, and it is actually 2012 now . . . so I guess we got us a Presidential campaign shaping up for reals! :o)
I watched as much as I could of the coverage last night . . . something about that election night excitement . . . even if what was being covered wasn't all that exciting . . . lol . . . anywho . . .
I caught a bit of Morning Joe-ke this morning . . . and found it quite interesting that Mark Halperin's advice to Rick Santorum was basically to be less snippy with the press, because he needs media folks to "root for him".
Someone else was pointing out that Santorum has found a great "narrative" with the story of his coal mining grandfather, so now he could identify with the 99%.
This is a classic example of how members of the media have to be careful not to get lost in their DC/NY bubble . . . to me those comments sound seriously out of touch with reality . . . to select the leader of the free world based solely on who we "like" and how well they package their "narratives"?
Surely not.
Even though the media likes to pretend that President Obama was elected because he said the words "Hope" and "Change", the actual truth is that he had a PLAN for America, and he campaigned on that plan, and he has implemented that plan in the White House.
So, I would like to hear what Mr. Romney, Santorum, and Paul plan to do FOR America, not just what they are against. It is easy to tear down something that you didn't build, but we need a President who can do more than just wield a sledge hammer and throw red meat to their friends. . . gentlemen, what are your plans to address the PROBLEMS that we face . . . the unemployment, the skyrocketing health care costs, the homelessness, the stagnant wages.
Your grandfather's coal mining hands ain't gonna fix all of that, no matter how it makes the lightweights in the media swoon.
Mornin GF!
You scored another *touchdown* this morning!
My favorite moment from last night was when Lawrence O'Donnell went after Big Ed Shultze for falsely promoting the Santorum corporate tax plan.
Big Eddy was advertising a turd sandwich as 'chicken salad' and Larry called it & Ed exactly what it is, a turd sandwich!
Hey Feisty . . . I missed that . . . I must find the video! :o)
Nashville, I disagree. I don't want to hear what the Republicans have planned for America, because I live in a state they took the reigns in 2010 and have seen their plans in action:
1) Put up a sign saying "Open for Business" on the turnpike. (this is Maine, the sign was manufactured in Texas,)
2) Try to roll back every environmental protection you can in the interest of being more "business-friendly," to the point where even the businesses start to say "whoa, we never asked for this, we want to protect Maine's natural resources too."
3) Cut back teacher's retirement benefits, in a state where the average teacher retires on $19,000 a year, and change the estate tax so millionaires don't pay state taxes on the first two million they inherit.
4) Cut 6,500 people from Medicaid, causing group homes for Alzheimer patients and Head Start programs from children to close and costing the state over 4,000 in healthcare jobs (all to save 220 million over two years, while cutting taxes by 400 million.)
Amy . . . your post is so powerful . . . as horrible as it is . . . folks need to hear what the REALITY of Republican rule is . . . not just these made-for-TV platitudes they continue to spout that the newstainment industry is letting them skate by with.
Amy---it sounds as if Maine is another example of what happened in 2010 when the Republicans ran on one platform and, once elected, implemented quite another program for their states and for the Congress. What makes us think it would be any different on the national level in 2012?
Nashville,
You say that Obama was elected because he had a plan for America, and he has started to implement that plan.
I that's the case then he clearly doesn't deserve a second term because the economy is still in shambles three years after he took office.
His plan has failed.
Furthermore, you say that you want to hear what the GOP candidates are in favor of, as opposed to telling us what they are against. You want to hear what they will do to address skyrocketing unemployment, "homelessness", and stagnant wages.
First off, Obama created two of the three "problems" you identified. The unemployment rate WENT UP after he was elected, and stagnant wages are the result of the lack of any innovative economic policies that spurr technology, and create opportunities for investment growth.
Also, it isn't the President of The United States Responsibility to put a roof over your head. It is YOUR OWN responsibility to do that for YOURSELF. We can help the homeless by giving them shelter, and feeding them temporarily. But ultimately every one us is responsible to take care of him-or-herself.
What's more, I'd like to hear what Obama has done (?) in his four years to deserve another term. He has violated his own vow to put all contracts over 25K out for bid. He violated his own valediction against corporate subsidies. He promised health-care reform without mandated coverage, and with a public option; then gave us the complete opposite. He kept combat troops in Iraq right up until the expiration of the use of force act, instead of bringing them home early, like he promised. And finally, he said he would work with Republicans to change the "climate" in Washington DC. But instead he's basically told them "I won the election so we're going to do it my way. If you don't like that, too bad."...and in doing so, he alienated the American people and LOST control of the House of Rep's.
Obama won the election, in part, because Bush was so bad, and screwed things up so much, that ANYONE running as a Democrat would have won. But, the idea was for him to fix the problems Bush left behind and pull us out of the trench we had fallen into. Instead, he has dug us into a deeper hole from which we must escape.
I am terribly sorry Nashville, but we just cannot afford four more years of Barrack Obama. You make it sound like America is so much better off now than we were before he got elected. But, the truth of the matter is that we are much worse off than we were 4 years ago, and it shows on the collective faces of working class people in this country.
Obama has proven that he is a talker, not a leader. These are serious times we face, and we need someone who'll talk less, and do more to fix this stagnant economy.
I am not a registered Republican, and after what the GOP did to Bill Clinton I never thought I could or would vote for one ever again.
But, I cannot sit back and watch the country disintegrate under the rule of someone who is clearly over their head in the Oval Office.
I am terribly sorry Nashville, but we just cannot afford four more years of Barrack Obama. You can cry, and moan all you want, you can name-call all you want, and you can lie (mostly to yourself) all you want.
But, we need someone in office that can change the direction in which we are headed, and B.O. has conclusively proven to us that he just aint the guy.
J. Merle:
You typed all of that, and still did not name one thing that the GOP candidate will do for America, which was the subject of my initial post.
I am sorry that President Obama has not made all your dreams come true, but he has done a great job by realistic, human standards. As I have told you before, the timetable that President Bush signed was based on candidate Obama's proposal, which was agreed to by the Iraqi prime minister.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,566841,00.html
President Obama took the time . . . dithering according to Dick Cheney . . . to formulate a plan for Afghanistan . . . that plan has paid dividends . . . if the measure is dead Al Quaida members . . . including Osama Bin Laden.
The bulk of your post consists of blaming President Obama for not using super human powers to clean up George Bush's mess faster or make the corrupt Congress do its job. If you need to blame President Obama for all of this country's problems, that is just fine by me.
Vote for who you want why you want. . . but it would be nice if you could mix just a little reality into your deliberations.
Or not.
Whatever.
OMG
J. Merle, the full on Obama Derangement Syndrome simply is NOT a good look for you!
Get over it.
You are another one of those insta gratifiers who expected the ship to not only screech to a hault mid atlantic; but to reverse course on January 21, 2009 without ANY legislation enacted.
Your bitterness is palpable. Get over it. Good luck with Rick S or Mitt R.
PS. Hilary didn't win. I know it hurt you bad; but really, GET OVER IT!
Clara.....In case you didn't get the memo; January 21, 2009 was THREE (3) years ago. If Obama had done something to fix the economy between then and now, it wouldn't be "instant gratification."
LOL
As for being "bitter;" Yes, I am bitter about living in troubled economic times, with a President who can't seem to do anything about it.
Furthermore, yes I was/am indeed a Hillary supporter who was/is-still disappointed she didn't get the nomination in 2008. Because, I am certain she would have done something, like her husband did in the first two years of HIS administration, to repair this broken economy, and put Americans back to work; rather than sitting in the Oval office with a thumb up her wazoo drinking beer with some jack-ass who was too stupid to realize that the police were following procedure, and protecting his home & property when they asked him for I.D at the scene of a residential alarm, like somebody else we all know.
And finally, Santorum isn't going anywhere. But, Romney is probably going to be the Republican nominee, and he could well beat Obama on the heels of the latter's economic record.
In case you hadn't noticed; there are STILL people out there without jobs, and the economy is STILL moving at a snail's pace.
Don't "throw darts" at me simply because you're too blind, or too biased to see that.
Likewise to you Nashville, you posted all that and STILL didn't tell us what Obama's plan is/was, or why we should give him a second term OTHER than the capture of Osama Bin Laden.
Bush 41 won a war, and didn't get re-elected because of a bad economy. Why should Obama be treated differently?
You seem to live in this la-la-land where Obama does no wrong, and everything is somebody else's fault.
You could blame the economy in 2009 on Bush because he had just left office.
But in 2012, Obama has had THREE (3) years to fix it, and he's come up empty. If he couldn't fix the economy in his first administration, what makes you think he could fix it in a second term? They say the definition of insanity isn't making a simple mistake. But rather, it is repeating that same simple mistake, and expecting a different result.
As for this boulderdash about Obama not making all of my dreams come true; LOL, I work hard, I take care of my own business, and I make MY OWN dreams come true, as all Americans (including you) have the right, and the opportunity to do
The only thing I really expect out of a President, or any politician for that matter, is for them to keep their word; which Obama simply has not done.
In conclusion, between the two of us, it is YOU who is foolling herself and not being honest, again, mostly with yourself. Perhaps some quiet introspection would cure that.
J.Merle:
I don't know if you read your own long, screeching posts, but "quiet introspection" could not possibly be the source.
It is a waste of time "conversing" with you, because you already know everything. I appreciate you taking the time to try to show me the error of my ways, but sadly, I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree . . . and you can be bitter for another 4 years when the President is re-elected.
Three years to fix something that has taken 8 years to culminate?
Don't you think that is a little unrealistic of an expectation? to put things into perspective, that would be like asking you to build the white house with your bare hands in 3 years.
Just because you "judge" something as a failure does not make your judgemnt absolute????? Who made you the authority??
Politics is nasty nasty business and the global situation has been extremely volatile, in addition, there has been a high level of obstructionism in effect, certainly much greater than George Bush experienced during his tenure. I personally feel that the GOP needs to be held accountable for this obstructionism, they take an oath of office to serve this country and its constituents, not to play party politics and play games with the welfare of individuals.
How do you feel that Obama has exactly not kept his word? I would like specific examples where party politics does not play a role and significant changes in the landscape from the time of his campaigning didn't mandate a change of game plan.
Under the circumstances, I feel that he has earned a chance to continue his leadership of this country, I can't knowingly even consider a GOP candidate knowing the nature their actions over the past 3 years, they have acted like three year olds having tantrums.
Three years to fix something that has taken 8 years to culminate?
Don't you think that is a little unrealistic of an expectation? to put things into perspective, that would be like asking you to build the white house with your bare hands in 3 years.
Just because you "judge" something as a failure does not make your judgemnt absolute????? Who made you the authority??
Politics is nasty nasty business and the global situation has been extremely volatile, in addition, there has been a high level of obstructionism in effect, certainly much greater than George Bush experienced during his tenure. I personally feel that the GOP needs to be held accountable for this obstructionism, they take an oath of office to serve this country and its constituents, not to play party politics and play games with the welfare of individuals.
How do you feel that Obama has exactly not kept his word? I would like specific examples where party politics does not play a role and significant changes in the landscape from the time of his campaigning didn't mandate a change of game plan.
Under the circumstances, I feel that he has earned a chance to continue his leadership of this country, I can't knowingly even consider a GOP candidate knowing the nature their actions over the past 3 years, they have acted like three year olds having tantrums.
What I learned from last night. I learned that the voters of Iowa does not want that lady that was born in Iowa at all. The crazy lady,Bachmann only received 5% of the vote. What a dismal showing. I hope the voters in her district in Minnesota gives her the same percentage of the vote. Congress would be a much better place without her.
Hmmm... I had a "Freudian Slip" a moment ago, when I read caucus and thought is said "circus."
The main thing learned from the Iowa caucus is the fact that the Republican voters in Iowa must be reasoning impaired - to actually vote for such marginal presidential candidate wannabes.
The Iowa caucus result is PROOF of why there should be "NONE OF THE ABOVE" as a choice on a ballot.
I have discovered the 'why' behind the high number of undecideds in Iowa. One look at a ballot is the reason. At the top is: "Before voting you must correctly answer the essay question: What is a Caucus? Hint: It has nothing to do with road kill or food." Everyone was trying to find the answer and didn't have time to think about who to vote for.
Rick Santorum!!!!...yay!
Krauthammer says he "...clearly is plausibly Presidential"
When actually he was just the only remaining vessel for the ABR crowd. His 25-30% is the same 25-30% seen by Perry, NEWTON, and the Hermanator.
One thing is for sure; The Mittster has not been able to close the deal as of yet. Not with the "values" Conservatives, not with the Evangelicals, and most important, not with the Tea Party....
Is there still TIME for another candidate to emerge? Does anybody have Jeb's number?...
There is one so called republican candidate we have not heard from yet. His name is Buddy Roemer......check him out online. But! The Rnc and Gop will not let him on stage because he is not bought by special interest. But because he is considered a repo and associated with the unbalanced repo party.....I would not vote for him, but if he ran as an Independent I would like to see him debate President Obama just for the sake of it.
Iowa only shapes the race. It does not foretell it.
So what is the moral of the story?
If you have a bigoted and hateful message, it's best to spend as little money possible education people about yourself. Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum are possibly the two nastiest candidates. The have very similar positions based on bigotry, ignorance, paranoia, and greed. But Michelle Bachmann campaigned tirelessly by taking her bus to every county in the state while Rick Santorum spent just $30,000 driving a red pickup around. So the person that the Iowans got a chance to get to know earned 5% of the vote while the one that told the Iowans little about himself got 25%.
Problem is, you can't keep your nasty values in stealth mode when you surge. Just as Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Gingrich, and even Paul have learned, the nasty things you have said in the past will come back and bite you.
Ever heard of a thesaurus? Or is "nasty" the only pejorative in your government school vocabulary?
Quiet Professional
How about foul, vile, and despicable as appropriate adjectives for Santorum and Bachmann? I learned me them there fancy words in my gummint school.
Would you settle with "ugly" or "@!$%# stained"?
Is that the best you have? Why snark? You failed to add anything at all to the discourse. I find this to be the problem with those who lean Right. No answers, no solutions, no ideas that have not already been tried for years, but all to willing to criticize others.
Regardless of who wins the nom, they have the only important property, they are not BHO the Socialist.
I rather a socialist than a fascist like most of those trying to get into the Oval Office. They're just going to carry on the same problems they think Obama is responsible for and blaim it on everyone they dissaprove of like their supporters are doing right now. Let's see how far they go over the next ten months.
Rick Santorum got the evangelical vote partly by pushing extreme family values. Myself, I plan to vote for the real family values candidate - married just once, two lovely children, has a family dog, lives in a big white house...
Me too Holly, me too! :o)
Let's not forget that he lives with his mother-in-law!!
I will be proud to cast my vote for true family values!!
You forgot to mention the fence around the house. Granted, it's not a picket fence and is made of iron and concrete ... but it IS a fence.
As an Independent, I can not get behind any of the Republican potential candidates. They are all seriously flawed in terms of what we need in a President.
If these clowns think they can campaign against Obama on family values it's going to be a real comedy show. This president is Mr. Family Values!
Romney appears to be in a position to have more early primary victories than any other candidate in the last few decades.
It's time to set our sights on the real problems in this country. They're personified by obama and his 42% deficit. Our government has failed us, it's time for change again. This time for the better.
Back when Cain's campaign was cratering and Newt Gingrich peaking, I pointed out on this blog that Rick Santorum was next in line as the Repub flavor of the month. Looks like I was right. Take THAT Rachel Maddow!
So now the big choice for the Republicans comes down to choosing between the serial liar from Massachusetts and the race baiter from Pennsylvania.
It's always about SEX with this 'family values' crowd. It only matters when they PEAK!
Houston, you have a problem. I think you, Beverly, Nashville and Feisty Craphead are the only racebaiters here. In fact, your masterbaiters. Ehhh. Maybe not. You're actually pretty much lightweights. You have nothing so all you can do is scream racism when some candidate doesn't kiss enough black ass for your liking. It's 2011, people. Get on with your lives.
(Brain)Damage123
If Rick Santorum wrote to this blog we'd have a real race baiter here. That's exactly what he was doing when he promised he would not give black people other people's money, clearly implying that's was being done by President Obama (you know, that BLACK guy in the White House). I don't know if Santorum is racist, but he's clearly pandering to white racists who like to think that the government is taking away their hard-earned money and giving it to undeserving black people.
Dear Damage:
I am a "fact baiter", a "plan baiter", and a "truth baiter" since you asked.
As I have told you time and again, your personal obsession with all things racial . . . especially if it has something to do with us black folks . . . is your cross to bear, not mine.
Now, when you have some facts, truths, or plans you want to discuss, I'm your girl. You seem to be a merchant of distraction and discord more than anything else.
That's not really my thing.
Nashville; you are NONE of those things. You are a RACE-BAITING-RACIST, and a LIAR.
Period, end of story.
J. Merle:
Riddle me this . . . am I supposed to be hurt that a delusional online character calls me names?
lol
I am flattered by the attention though, I must admit . . . keep it coming! :o)
LOL, okay I'll keep it coming. You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny, too.
Ha Ha
But seriously, you ARE a RACE-BAITING-RACIST, and a LIAR.
:-)
J. Merle:
You know what is curious . . . the person who brings up race in almost each of their posts is you. . . projection much?
Also, while I appreciate your attempt at humor, I must say that I don't see how you typing the same post over and over and over again is all that funny, but hey, to each HIS own, right J.? ;oP
None of MSNBC's commentators are going to vote for a GOP candidate, period. Sure--they may cheer a GOP candidate ... the better to tear him or her to ribbons down the road. Waste of time -- if you're a Republican -- reading this blog.
But if you're a Dem, and you like to jeer (see "GCV" above), it's a great place to hang out.
It's important to point out the failures of our current government. Most here believe that this country is headed the wrong direction. That's a national issue, not a GOP vs. Dem issue.
We all know the economy is trash, that we hand out too much money around the world, and that the 42% defict that obama is running, is killing the economy.
It's something we should all be thinking about.
Obama is not running the deficit, we are! When are you righties going to learn. Now, fix it!! Tell us what should be cut and if you want some credibility, tell us how you're going to manage the damage from the cuts. We all know the obvious, the devil is in the details.
I have to laugh at the same liberal's on this blog squawking for Obama. Here is a hint this is not about Obama. One nut job wants to portay this as a racial issue. Those are tactics when you have nothing else to support your position. Most people that do not want Obama for four more years could care less what his race is. They care about the direction he is taking this country. I will be glad when the 2012 election is over and the people have spoken and Obama is packing his vacation bags for the last time. Feel free to follow him where-ever he goes.
@ Walter... you sound like another one of those ReThuglicans "in denial"... simply won't accept the truth of your own party. Just like Eric Cantor on 60 Minutes, Sunday, when Leslie Stahl pointed out that his mentor, Ronald Reagan, raised taxes 10 different times ... and Eric's press secretary yelled out (off camera, mind you) ... "that's not true. I don't want to let that stand!" ... LOL! Fact was, Reagan DID, in fact, raise taxes 10 different times ... the first one being the largest tax increase since WW2 ... but you Grover Norquist disciples have been trained to simply DECEIVE, DENY, LIE, COVERUP, and missquote FACTS ... its WIN AT ALL COST for the ReThuglicans.
What direction is that? Your smelly brown bag of talking points ia still half-full, dude! Try arranging them on the fridge door first for real effect when you pass them out here!
Now here comes the hard part. Explain how a Republican would do any better. You want Obama out because he won't coddle the rich and enable big-government gay and abortion haters. You want to see as many jobs sent overseas or contracted out at 7 dollars an hour to third-world illegals as possible. Must be nice harboring all that hate for us working people. That's the GOP for 2012. Better read the fine print.
Yeah, the Republicans can pick real winners here. There are more train wreaks now than in the 1988 campaign -- you know the one that had a Christian Minister with his own TV show and a former grand wizard of the KKK. In the end I didn't mind George H.W. Bush winning. He was alot better than his son ten years later, if that is worth saying much.
@ Walker What is it about then? I have heard NOTHING but lets beat Obama.
Where is their plan to address the problems that we face. I have heard "Obama is a failure."
"We need to make Obama a one term President." Where is their plans???
8 Votes won it. What a fine example for the abolition of the electoral college. We have technology to count EACH AND EVERY single vote, thus allowing for the first time a truly democratic election process. One citizen, one vote.
We'll see who's called the "nut job", if one of these corporation funded jerk offs gets elected and attempts to eliminate your medicare and get your social security is a fixed amount wall street controlled stock market account.