South Carolina gantlet awaits Iowa and New Hampshire winners

With just four days left until the Jan. 3 caucuses, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul are running neck and neck, with Romney at 23 percent among likely caucus-goers and Paul at 21 percent, according to an NBC/Marist poll. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.

 

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- In an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd this week, Newt Gingrich said he did not need to win nominating contests in Iowa or New Hampshire as long as he won South Carolina.

“You have to be in the top three or four,” said Gingrich. “I would like to come in second in New Hampshire.” But, he continued, “You need to win South Carolina. Everyone who has won South Carolina has been the nominee."

And while Gingrich spokesman R.C. Hammond seemed to downplay that prediction, saying “no state is a must-win,” a memo obtained by Real Clear Politics today belies that sentiment.

The memo, written by new members of his Iowa team, said Gingrich is positioned to “perform consistently well in both Iowa and New Hampshire and then win in South Carolina and Florida.”

While every eventual Republican nominee since 1980 has in fact won South Carolina's primary, Gingrich is seeking to accomplish what no other candidate in the 30-year history of modern primaries has: a South Carolina victory after losses in the first two states.

Every longshot presidential candidate comes to Iowa hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. Most never come close, but GOP hopeful Rick Santorum hopes he can buck the odds. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.

The former House speaker stands in fifth place in Iowa, according to the NBC/Marist Iowa poll released Friday. And some Palmetto State Republicans doubt that Gingrich would be able to achieve victory here after losses in Iowa and New Hampshire, even in spite of the fluidity of the Republican field.

“No one has gone 0-for-2 and won South Carolina,” said Warren Tompkins, a longtime strategist here who worked on Mitt Romney’s 2008 campaign and today announced he would be advising the campaign on a volunteer basis.

One factor is the boost in fundraising and buzz brought on by an Iowa or New Hampshire victory. If Gingrich doesn’t have that momentum coming in to South Carolina, the path to a win for Mitt Romney here becomes clearer, some experts say.

Hammond countered: "The must-win is the nomination."

PUTTING IT ALL ON PALMETTO

Past candidates who downplay early states have done so at their peril, noted former South Carolina Republican Party chairwoman Karen Floyd, citing Rudy Giuliani’s Florida-centric bid in 2008 and Romney’s decision that year to pull out of South Carolina after New Hampshire.

“When they decided not to play in some of the carve-out states, they lost the earned media,” she said.

That earned media – cable chatter, word-of-mouth, online buzz -- could compensate somewhat for Gingrich’s inability to match his opponents’ big ad buys. A lack of that energy, however, could be problematic in South Carolina, a state driven more by media than retail politics.

“It’s not like suddenly he’s going to be able to spend a ton on TV ads,” said one unaligned national consultant who worked for Romney’s 2008 campaign and is familiar with South Carolina politics.

Gingrich’s top-four threshold might not be enough to quell a perception that he’s running out of steam, said Jim Dyke, a South Carolina-based national strategist.

“I think if he does not do very well -- one or two -- in Iowa, he’s going to have a further sinking, which is going to make it more difficult in New Hampshire and it’s going to make it extremely difficult in South Carolina," Dyke said.

But Clemson political science professor and Republican consultant David Woodard said he would not count Gingrich out here, saying he’s been impressed with the former speaker’s “unconventional” presence.

“He is working something that the others aren’t doing and it’s primarily this social media kind of thing,” he said, noting the volume of emails and Facebook bulletins he receives from Gingrich supporters (Woodard added the Bachmann campaign is also reaching him through social media).

S.C. FOR THE MASSACHUSETTS MORMON?

While Romney’s campaign has been setting low Iowa expectations for months, he is now leading some polls there, including the NBC/Marist poll, which showed him at 23 percent. He is garnering larger, more enthusiastic crowds than his campaign said they had anticipated.

That atmosphere is leading some observers in South Carolina to say he could ride a stronger-than-expected showing in Iowa, plus a New Hampshire win, to a victory here.

“They have done a masterful job of managing expectations,” Dyke said, adding that an outright win in Iowa  “would really solidify the argument that he’s the candidate who can win everywhere.”

That argument could be strengthened if Romney wins socially conservative South Carolina, some of whose voters balked at his Mormonism in 2008, according to the national consultant who worked on Romney’s campaign that year.

“You’re the Mormon from Massachusetts who flip flopped on social issues who just won in South Carolina. It beats the expectations. No one would expect it," the consultant said.

Dyke drew a parallel between Romney and 2008 nominee John McCain, whose record did not jibe perfectly with voters here but who eked out a 33 percent victory over Mike Huckabee, who took most of the Evangelical vote.

“[McCain’s] record wasn’t necessarily tailor made for this state, whether it was immigration or judges, but there was a recognition that he was the best candidate for the fall,” Dyke said.

Even if Romney doesn’t win in Iowa, he still has the ability to sustain his campaign without an Iowa fundraising boost.

“These other guys have to win states in order to stay alive,” the consultant said. “Mitt Romney doesn’t have to run a marathon, he just has to make sure that his terminal disease isn’t as fast as the other guys.”

Plus, Romney can invest in South Carolina’s relatively inexpensive media markets (he made a $230,000 broadcast ad buy here on Thursday) while simultaneously buying some of Florida’s much pricier airtime, the national consultant said.

“Florida is a must-win. And South Carolina is the perfect setup for it. Last time, they got cold feet [in South Carolina] and pulled the plug and they probably saved about half a million dollars. In the overall scheme of what that campaign spent, they spent more than that on rock climbing walls for the Iowa straw poll.”

While the Romney campaign isn’t investing in as much gym equipment this time around, they do have a low-key, but persistent, presence in South Carolina. In addition to holding a tele-town hall with voters here on Monday, Romney has a robo call, which Floyd received, in which he says he intends to “earn the trust of every person in the state of South Carolina,” according to Floyd.

Plus, in addition to Tompkins, Romney also signed on Luke Byars as an unpaid adviser – adding bulk to his three-person South Carolina team.

Romney’s sotto voce presence here, gradually crescendoing, could lay the groundwork for a Romney win in South Carolina -- but the persistence of a few other candidates past Iowa could complicate that calculus.

THE LONG SHOT AND THE WILD CARD

Rick Santorum’s recent Iowa surge (he’s in third at 15 percent in the NBC poll) has some observers here drawing comparisons to Mike Huckabee. the former Arkansas governor who campaigned, like Santorum, mostly on social issues. After winning in Iowa, Huckabee narrowly lost to McCain in South Carolina with 30 percent of the vote.

“I think Santorum could be the next Huckabee, I really do,” Woodard said, adding that the difference between 2008 and now is that “neither of the two frontrunners are a McCain. Neither Gingrich nor Romney have inspired the kind of loyalty that McCain could.”

But Dyke dismissed the Huckabee parallel, saying that Huckabee’s background as a pastor gave him a stronger connection to evangelical communities than Santorum has. “It’s just apples and oranges,” he said.

One candidate who could become a thorn in the side of any candidate in South Carolina is Ron Paul, who is expected to do well in Iowa (he's in second, with 21 percent, in the NBC/Marist Iowa poll) and has some support here (he took 8 percent of likely Republican voters in the most recent NBC/Marist poll here, third behind Gingrich and Romney).

Paul today also received the endorsement of former South Carolina treasurer Thomas Ravenel, who resigned after being indicted on a federal cocaine charge. In a Facebook post, Ravenel praised Paul’s position against drug prohibition.

Paul’s organization in South Carolina is not as robust as in Iowa -- and that's not even to mention that Paul does better in a caucus setting than a primary -- but his presence here is enough to vex any candidate looking to make South Carolina, where the 2008 nominee won by just a three-point margin, a firewall.

“It will be at least a three-way race, and Ron Paul’s not getting out. So it’s not like it’s as clean and clear as I think Speaker Gingrich is articulating it,” said Tompkins. But a Ron Paul victory in Iowa could be a rallying point for South Carolina voters lukewarm towards Romney, the national consultant said.

“If Ron Paul comes in first, then all of a sudden there’s a scary bogey man we’ve all got to rally around – look, Mitt might not be our guy but we can’t let it be Ron Paul.” Regardless of the various scenarios that pundits will no doubt be gaming out between now and the South Carolina primary, one fact remains certain: a win here, preceded by losses in Iowa and New Hampshire, would be a first in South Carolina’s 30-year history of picking Republican nominees.

NBC's Alex Moe contributed

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Hope & Change for the Youth? A Meager 55% of Americans Between Ages 16 and 29 Have Jobs. Ha!! How's that Hopey Changey stuff working out for ya, huh??!!

The American youth has lost that "Luvin’ Feeling" For B. Hussein Obama and his Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Marxist, Democrat, Left wing Kooky Democrat Party.

A question to the youth of America that supported and campaigned for Barack Obama in 2008, hows that “Hopey, Changey” stuff working out for ya? In 2008 the youth of America blindly followed the promises, rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans of B. Hussein Obama propelling him into office and actually believing that “we are the ones that you all have been waiting for.”

From 2008 to present day, the American youth has learned an inconvenient truth, B. Hussein Obama’s promise of hope, change and jobs was Horse Manure. Plain & Simple. They were repaid for their actions with no jobs to be found. Talk about a buzz kill for any B. Hussein Obama 2012 re-election effort.

The American youth will most likely stay home when it comes to B. Hussein Obama’s re-election and on election day. Presently, only 55% of Americans between the ages of 16 and 29 have jobs. As stated by Weasel Zippers, the economic train wreck rolls on.

In 2008, the youth vote helped sweep B. Hussein Obama into office. Americans 18-29 spread the word on social media, energized fundraising and went to the polls.

In 2012, the youth vote is moving on and throwing those omnipresent “Hopey Changey” bumper stickers and T-Shirts in garbage bins.

Not because of apathy. Not because another candidate generates more enthusiasm. Not because of his character. Not because they think voting is pointless. The 18-29 vote is up for grabs in 2012 because the American youth can’t afford cars to put bumper stickers on and those T-Shirts are worn out from too many days sitting on the couch unemployed.

Obama used these kids naivety in 2008 and since has done little to nothing to help the energetic, grass roots, American youth. Not only are barely 50% employed, earlier this year, Americans’ student loan debt surpassed credit card debt for the first time ever. Not to mention the continued increase in debt will be the responsibility you today’s and tomorrow's American youth. So what do the millennials say? HELL NO TO OBAMA!!! According to a recent Pew Research Center poll, only 49% of millennial voters approve of B. Hussein Obama, down a whopping 23 points from February 2009.

But while 18-to-29 year-old Americans are reliable Democrats, their enthusiasm for B. Hussein Obama and presidential politics has waned, setting the stage for an uphill struggle to turn out the vote.

Forty-nine percent of millennial voters approve of Obama, according to the Pew Research Center, down 23 points from February 2009. They are also the least interested in or engaged with the current campaign, the study found.

Only 17 percent of millennials said they are following election news closely, while just 13 percent said they’ve given a lot of thought to the candidates, a 15 point drop from the same period four years ago. Hee-hee-hee!!!

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Reply#27 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:14 PM EST

Johny B (you poor little Nazi) - You better get used to that "Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Marxist, America-hating, Democrat, Left wing Kook", because he's going to be around for another 4 years.

Obama 2012

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#27.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:27 PM EST

Johnny

since the youth employment rate was less in 2007 then 2006 and then lower in 2008 then 2007....what exactly is your point?

btw - if student loans are up - did all of these students begin after Jan 20 2009?

  • 4 votes
#27.2 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST
Reply

johny Bee,

You are talking to yourself with all your multiple posts.

No one is listening...

  • 2 votes
Reply#28 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:35 PM EST

Johny must of fell asleep with his finger on the enter key.......

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#28.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST

johny makes a good point . i knew alot of people that were for obama ,then when he won said now the countrys free . free huh ?? free from what?? all the evil ,racist, bigots. sorry to dissapoint you all ,but the only alternative that the 'COMMIE MEDIA (fox is commie in my book) and moron republican party put out was john mccain , and sarah palin .instead the republicans should have went for what they say they are for (but never do ,same as democrates) ,its the rich against the poor , and the 'NAZI' haters or what ever the hell you think you are should share the blame equally . equallity always uttered but never put into action.

    #28.2 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:29 PM EST
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    Johny's Mother refused to breast feed Him when He was a baby, so He's a little angry

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    Reply#29 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:47 PM EST

    When you put johhny on Ignore , he is really funny .

    • 4 votes
    Reply#30 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:03 PM EST

    That's Obama.

    Everything he says and everything he does is weighed on the balance scale of votes. He has never stopped campaigning.

    This vine is infested with plenty of starry eyed, Obama leg-humpers. Like some infectious mental disease running rampant in the liberal ranks.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#31 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:05 PM EST

    You must be referring to the missing ijit from The Village of Roselle and her minions. Small dogs, breaking wind, most of them. Sorry, could not resist the opportunity. :)

      #31.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:22 PM EST

      Wow!

      Let me tell you what Obama has done for me personally:

      1. As a woman, he passed Lilly Ledbetter law that ensures I get paid the same as amale counterpart

      2. As a woman, because of the affordable healthcare act,I cannot be dropped from insurance because I have a pre-existing condition

      3. He has deported more illegals than any other president

      4. He got Osama Bin Laden

      5. Consumer protection act ensures that I am not fleeced by banks, credit card companies or any other firm like that

      6. Signed nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Russia (our biggest enemy in terms of nukes)

      7. Passed regulations protecting our air, drinking water and soil

      8. Executive order to hire veterans with disabilities

      9.Executive order to hire returning Veterans

      10.A WHOLE BUNCH of veterans programs including VA fully funded, homeless veterans, VA budget as must-pass legislation

      11. As a woman, violence against women legislation

      12. A WHOLE BUNCH of military services including expanding army corps, military families advisory boards, military exchange programs

      13. Bioforensics program to track biological weapons of terror

      14. Affordable high quality child care

      15.Expand SCHIP for children

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      #31.2 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:02 PM EST
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      Your page loading is a zoo. But I do hope someone noted the spelling is GAUNTLET!

        Reply#32 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:25 PM EST

        What's so special about South Carolina?

        They are soooooo stupid... they allocate funds for public libraries, then require them to pay state taxes on anything they buy. Unless they elected a smarter Repub alone the way, this is how they used to do business. Talk about sssslllloooowwwww.

          Reply#33 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:39 PM EST

          What the hell is a "gantlet"?? Is it possible that so-called professional journalists can't spell or proof-read anymore? Yikes!

            Reply#34 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:39 PM EST

            Gantlet is a variant of gauntlet. Why is it such a big deal anyway?

              #34.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:55 PM EST
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              What is it about the Morman religion that Evangelicals are so much against? I don't understand. Can someone here tell me?

                Reply#35 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:42 PM EST

                I was raised southern Baptist. You'd almost be better off saying your Muslim than Mormon. I moved out of there for that reason, I don't hold any 'God" views. Your name implies Texas. Isn't it the same over there? I also lived there for a few years, but was military and didn't get to know that part of Texas life.

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                #35.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:12 PM EST
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                Can't wait to see ole willard trying to connect with S. C. voters..

                Riding in on a polo pony. Stars and Bars T-shirt. Mullet, Bag of pork rinds, and a can of Coors Light... Yee Haw !!!!

                The coming year will be HIGHLY entertaining..

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                Reply#36 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:45 PM EST

                Reading your post reminds me why we natives in South Carolina cannot stand smart asses like you. I have seen more "mullets" in Michigan , more polo ponies in Florida and no self respecting Southern would drink Coors lite. Why don't you learn a little about a state before you make ignorant statements. By the way where are you from?

                  #36.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:11 PM EST
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                  What the hell is a gantlet???

                    Reply#37 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:49 PM EST
                    rds040Deleted

                    Seriously, you can't correctly spell gauntlet? How embarrassing for you.

                      Reply#39 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:57 PM EST

                      Doesn't even mention if Huntsman comes in 2cnd, or 1st, in New Hampshire. What if Paul took Iowa, Mitt NH (with Huntsman 2cnd) then someone else took SC? Looks like it might be an interesting Republican Convention with some of us last voting states having more of a role than anyone imagined!

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                      Reply#40 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:09 PM EST

                      I would LOVE to see Gingrich get the GOP nomination, if only to watch what would probably be the best one-on-one debate (Obama vs. Gingrich) ever seen. Sadly, I just don't think it's going to happen.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#41 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:11 PM EST

                      my farting is a better debate then that would be esspecially if they took away the teleprompters ,ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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                      #41.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:34 PM EST

                      Spoken like the educated person your name indicates

                      Wow!

                      Let me tell you what Obama has done for me personally:

                      1. As a woman, he passed Lilly Ledbetter law that ensures I get paid the same as amale counterpart

                      2. As a woman, because of the affordable healthcare act,I cannot be dropped from insurance because I have a pre-existing condition

                      3. He has deported more illegals than any other president

                      4. He got Osama Bin Laden

                      5. Consumer protection act ensures that I am not fleeced by banks, credit card companies or any other firm like that

                      6. Signed nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Russia (our biggest enemy in terms of nukes)

                      7. Passed regulations protecting our air, drinking water and soil

                      8. Executive order to hire veterans with disabilities

                      9.Executive order to hire returning Veterans

                      10.A WHOLE BUNCH of veterans programs including VA fully funded, homeless veterans, VA budget as must-pass legislation

                      11. As a woman, violence against women legislation

                      12. A WHOLE BUNCH of military services including expanding army corps, military families advisory boards, military exchange programs

                      13. Bioforensics program to track biological weapons of terror

                      14. Affordable high quality child care

                      15.Expand SCHIP for children

                      • 1 vote
                      #41.2 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:05 PM EST
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                      ...oh, and don't you just love the school marms fussing over spelling on an internet message board? So silly.

                        Reply#42 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:13 PM EST

                        Ian - what school marms - is there a point here I see more big boys making the same point - what would you call them school boys

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                        #42.1 - Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:58 AM EST
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                        You have got love the picture NBC chose for Romney to head this article. He looks like he's been on a 3 day bender.

                        Do you think they would have ever chosen a picture like that if Oscuma was the topic?

                        Never. Not while Jeffrey Immelt is at the helm of GE(NBC). LMFAO!

                          Reply#43 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:18 PM EST

                          An angry teapublican..

                          How cute...

                          • 1 vote
                          #43.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:28 PM EST

                          Careful K1200RS, Don't pet it, it won't go away..........

                            #43.2 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:02 PM EST

                            An angry teapublican..

                            How cute...

                            2 moron dems....

                            How typical...

                              #43.3 - Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:37 AM EST
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                              one who flew over the kookoos nest..

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#44 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:20 PM EST

                              Repeating lies will NOT make them true, Bee!

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#45 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:20 PM EST

                              boo hoo ..I need to cry myself..i will never be president of the united states me or newt

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#46 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:23 PM EST

                              RE: "Gantlet"

                              I did a little research and I think these links explain the meaning of the word "gantlet".

                              http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/readers/2010/10/gloves-come-off-over-headlines-use-of-gantlet.html

                              http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2006/08/is-it-gantlet-or-gauntlet.html

                              Have a nice night all and remember, courtesy costs you nothing. :)

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#47 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:23 PM EST

                              I like Clint Eastwood

                              • 1 vote
                              #47.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:28 PM EST

                              Clint Eastwood likes Dr Paul's policies....

                              URL..

                              www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUFbvUWbA_0

                                #47.2 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:44 PM EST

                                Egilman - Clint Eastwood could afford it not you

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                                #47.3 - Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:17 AM EST
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                                sandstorm was so disperate he talk to my friend ed.on msnbc.the one i watch.he needs those liberal votes now i see

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#48 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:26 PM EST

                                There is no way the Conservatives can nominate Romney. Its impossible. These are principled people, dont tread on em, patriots, everyone remember all that. If Romney wins it proves they are a total fraud. Romney has a record the complete opposite of the Tea Party.

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#49 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:26 PM EST

                                yes they said they want someone new in office ..that just went out the window

                                • 1 vote
                                #49.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:29 PM EST
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                                I think Newt needs to count his blessings he's not wearing a bright orange jumpsuit. Everyday it amazes me how he keeps out of prison. That bastard has ripped us Americans off so much it just seems normal for him to be doing something corrupt. 84 ethics investigations? Damn it America! Why is he still walking the streets a free man?

                                  Reply#51 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:29 PM EST

                                  George Currie,

                                  83 of those "charrges" were dropped. Frivolous charges. The 84th charge was reduced. Using money from teaching a class for political purposes. Whoopee.

                                    #51.1 - Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:42 AM EST
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                                    The tea trash want someone new in office some one of the main stream like Joe the plumber not wallstreet..where where.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    Reply#52 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:31 PM EST

                                    Iowa is a midwest State, hard working, religious and think for themselves and nice to see that Gingrich won't do well with normal minded people. They see through his hypocricy and dishonesty and he's dropping in the polls. We'll see what happens in NH, but I can't see the solid voters of SC giving Gingrich the time of day either. Thank goodness.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#53 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:32 PM EST

                                    the tea trash created this hell hole..its there own fault ..no they do not think for themself's

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                                    #53.1 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:36 PM EST

                                    No they're not seeing through his "hypocricy", there's enough dumb rabble in Iowa swayed by dishonest ads from liberal Mitt Romney and Communist-on-foreign-policy Ron Paul to bring Newt's votes down by 10% or so in that state.

                                    There are some stupid people who won't see the irony in a life-long abortionist Mitt Romney trying to claim Newt Gingrich, a life-long pro-lifer, is in favor of abortion, as Flipper has been claiming the past week or so.

                                      #53.2 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:58 PM EST

                                      so i am right you want the nation ruled by the church huh Chester

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #53.3 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:00 PM EST

                                      yes ron paul tells the facts about foreign policy, but he does not go far enough, heres what he should say "if we are going to attack IRAN for building a defense against EVIL-IS-RAEL agression then we should at least do the same thing to the people who are starting the agression that actually have over 300 nuclear weapons ,and also control our foreign policy and main stream media ISRAEL". the truth hurts sometimes ,but its better to be a man and take your medicine instead of shoving it down some poor ' goys' throat. It's sad but true i hate evil ,and EVIL-IS-RAEL is as bad as it gets.

                                        #53.4 - Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:07 PM EST
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