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Subscribe to RSSIn the past two weeks, support has fallen sharply in Iowa for Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Texas Rep. Ron Paul are running neck-and-neck in Iowa, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum is surging and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich collapsing just four days before the state's Jan. 3 caucuses, according to a new NBC News-Marist poll.
Romney drew the support of 23 percent of likely caucus-goers in Iowa – identified based on interest, chance of voting and past participation – ahead of Paul, at 21 percent.
They are followed by Santorum at 15 percent, Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 14 percent, Gingrich at 13 percent and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann at 6 percent.
The Republican presidential hopefuls are in high gear with just days left until the Iowa caucuses. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
The poll numbers, which are similar to those published in a recent CNN/Time survey, represent a reversal of fortune for Gingrich, as well as an improvement for Santorum and (to a lesser extent) Perry. The NBC-Marist poll conducted in late November had Gingrich in the lead among likely caucus-goers at 28 percent, Romney and Paul tied at 19 percent, Perry at 10 percent, Bachmann at 7 percent and Santorum at 6 percent.
“More than half of [Gingrich’s] support has evaporated,” said Lee Miringoff, the director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, which conducted the survey.
Negative advertising hits Gingrich 'on the chin'
Miringoff adds that the millions of dollars in negative TV ads targeting Gingrich – from a pro-Romney Super PAC and the Paul campaign – have played a major role in this erosion, with 35 percent of likely caucus-goers now saying he’d be unacceptable as the GOP’s nominee. That’s a 19-point increase from last month.
"The fight I'm in with Romney is exactly the fight that Reagan was in with the establishment in '80," GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich tells NBC's Chuck Todd in a one-on-one interview.
What’s more, only 6 percent in the survey identify Gingrich as the “true conservative” in the Republican contest.
“He took it on the chin,” Miringoff says of the negative advertising campaign, which has questioned Gingrich’s conservative credentials and tied him to Washington.
Splintered Tea Party support
Although just 7 percent of likely Iowa caucus-goers believe that Romney is the true conservative in the GOP field, he has two variables working in his favor, according to the poll. One, only 21 percent of likely caucus-goers say he’s unacceptable as the Republican nominee (compared with 35 percent for Gingrich and 41 percent for Paul).
And two, the conservative vote appears to be splintering between the various candidates, and is no longer coalescing around a single Romney challenger.
The wild card in this race has been and continues to be Ron Paul, the Libertarian who has a growing following inside the Republican Party. NBC's Chuck Todd has more.
Last month, Gingrich had a large lead over Romney (and the other GOP rivals) among Tea Party supporters.
But in this new poll, Tea Party supporters – who make up about half of all likely caucus-goers – are divided.
Santorum gets 20 percent from them, Romney and Paul 17 percent, Gingrich 16 percent, Perry 15 percent and Bachmann 10 percent.
“This is the Romney dream scenario,” Miringoff says. “When you look at the Tea Party and conservatives, they are all splintered.”
Obama’s approval rating ticks up in Iowa
The poll also shows an improvement in President Barack Obama’s approval rating in Iowa.
Forty-five percent of registered voters in the state approve of him, while 43 percent disapprove.
Last month, those numbers were upside down, with 43 approving and 46 disapproving.
Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum vaults past Newt Gingrich and into third place in the GOP presidential race in Iowa, according to a new poll. Santorum talks to TODAY's Savannah Guthrie about the surge, his conservative values and why he can beat Barack Obama in the general election.
The Iowa NBC-Marist survey was conducted Dec. 27-28 of 2,905 registered voters (margin of error of plus-minus 1.8 percentage points) and of 433 likely GOP caucus-goers (plus-minus 4.7 percentage points).
Also, unlike the recent CNN-Time poll, the likely voter model in the NBC-Marist survey included independents and a few Democrats, and it measured some respondents by cell phone.
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These clowns are the best we have ? Sad day in America :(
I agree. As an independant, I'm looking for an alternative to Obama and this field gives me nothing. Looks like I can plan that vacation for next November after all :(
Buh Bye Newt, go back to the Chocolate Factory and get chocolates all over your face.
Ron Paul is the obvious leader. He's honest, he was in the military as a doctor and then spent many years in practice. He is not a racist, that smear has been flogged right out of existence, the man is good, and he really would make a great President. I think we should give him the chance.
Paul said that together, and with some hard work, we can turn the country around. I've heard what he has to say, and some of the ways we can go about doing it.... I believe him.
I'd write the man in.
Beverly: The chocolate factory is one of my favorite "I Love Lucy" episodes. I'll never forgive Mitt Romney for comparing Newt Gingrich with Lucille Ball!
Ron Paul needs to address the racism issues in the Newsletters, explain how ignoring Iran until they can send a nuke to Israel or our way is gonna work , and how letting the country fall apart when there is NO regulation or agencies making sure cut-throat corporations aren't screwing the 99% is gonna work out!!
@sygh
If Ron Paul is not a racist why does he hang out with the John Birch Society? How many people of color have you seen in his rallies? And do you know him well enough personally to qualify your opinion?
He has explained the newsletter issue. You just need to listen. And the same applies to his policy regarding Iran. With any other president, we will have another war on our hand by 2014. Oil prices will skyrocket, the debt will go up, the trust in the dollar will be undermined even further which could lead to a collapse of the dollar, especially if China, upset over Iran, stops to buy US bonds and dumps its dollars on the market. A collapse of the dollar would lead to economic chaos at large scale civil unrest, which could trigger martial law. The war in Iran could even escalate into WW3.
Do you want that? If not, vote Ron Paul.
Mary-1324335
Beverly: The chocolate factory is one of my favorite "I Love Lucy" episodes. I'll never forgive Mitt Romney for comparing Newt Gingrich with Lucille Ball!
That was hilarious, and stupid Newt made it even more zany by visiting a Chocolate Factory in Iowa.
Those are the things that concern Newt this country. Can you imagine what a zany prez this clown would be?
Mary-
Chocolates are the things that concern Newt about this country. Can you imagine what a zany president this clown would be?
Kim Jong Un of North Korea chose his new title today, Supreme Leader. Didn't Obama have that trademarked? Maybe it was Supreme Being. I forget.
First you need to explain what tangible evidence there is that A) Iran is getting a nuke
B) That if would be capable of attacking Israel or the United States
C) That it would have enough reason to do so given that both the U.S. and Israel
That's a steep order. They keep SAYING it will happen, but nobody has any idea HOW? Hahaha. They fed us that crap with Iraq, saying they had WMD. Don't tell me that Shpeal will work AGAIN? No sir. YOU are the one that needs to explain.
Paul's addressed the racist newsletters. TIME and TIME again. There's HUGE amounts of evidence to show that he is not racst. www.5k.com
Who said anything about NO regulation? The fact is that the federal government is the corporation's best friend. Bailouts, stimulus funds, bills written by lobbyists. The politics game is expensive, and corporations are the only ones with the money to play it. Paul wants to SHRINK the government and return power OUT of the hands of the corporations and BACK to the people.
Tell me this. If Paul's policies are so great for corporations, WHY AREN'T CORPORATIONS FUNDING HIM? All of Paul's financial support COMES from the 99% He is their sole representative where all other politicians (Obama included) are bought off.
StopTheMarxist: Could you explain how your comment is germane to this discussion?
StopTheMarxist - Whats the matter? Is Your Favorite Nazi Gingrich no longer in the race..
Beverly: I couldn't believe that Newt Gingrich visited that chocolate factory. You are correct; I cannot imagine Mr. Gingrich as POTUS. While this is a somewhat nasty remark, when I think of Newt Gingrich, I think of a saying that I heard during my childhood - "You have constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the mouth."
Holy moly, everyone is at 'em bright and early. I am still at my first cup of coffee! Morning Bev, it's even earlier for you than me!
Newt Gingrich has spent decades demonstrating his unworthiness for ANY elected office. It is heartening to see that even the most committed Republicans recognise a real TURD when they see one.
If Newt is currently fifth, he ought to be LAST, because that is what Newt is . . . absolutely bucken last.
Seems to me, in a nutshell, that the GOP base is waking up to the fact that while they don't like him, they are going to hold their collective noses and chose Willard. Just an observation. Sorry about that Dr. Paul fans.
Ron Paul is a big ol' racist. He stated that clearly in those newsletters, he had interviews later where he bragged about them, and to say he EVER disavowed them defies credulity. Those of you who believe that rot are easily deceived and are seeing what you want to see rather than what is there.
Paul knows nothing about the Constitution, he wants to go back to the Articles of Confederation, and is dangerously ignorant about the ramifications of what he proposes.
What I will NEVER understand, is why intelligent, hardworking people support him.
If Ron Paul is a racist then Obama was born in Kenya... I guess we can start calling people "Racers".
I will never understand how intelligent hard working people can support a Socialist like Obama.
Ron Paul 2012
Thomas:
You're right, he has explained the newsletter issue. I've listened, and I've come to only 2 possible conclusions...he's either (1) lying, and knew all along the racist content of his newsletters, or (2) he had the incredibly poor judgment to let somebody else author them for all that time and was so aloof he didn't know what was being written in his name.
So, one, he's a bold-faced racist, anti-semitic liar, or he's incompetent. Either way, the man is totally unqualified to be President. I know the John Birchers would disagree, which just makes my point even more.
Todd: You really are going to use www.5k.com as a source? Really? Because he's being civil to some of "them" at some events?
Unfortunately (and amazingly, when you think about it) I do have to agree with you about the going to war part. The rest of the clown-car cast of candidates are just itching to get us into a war with Iran, as demonstrated by their continuous sabre-rattling.
While not a perfect union, America has been evolving to meet the needs of her population. In 1776, the Constitution and Bill of Rights were a great start. It blows my mind that some folks in this country want to adhere to the original document and wipe out 200+ years of adjustments.
Ron Paul is a racist. He would deny me, a person of color, the right to live where I choose and shop where I want by giving others the right to discriminate if they want to.
As for war, the Reblublicans are the war machine. Close Gitmo, they scream no. Get out of Iraq, they scream no. Get out of Afghaniatan, no way. Reduce the DOD, no. Why? The reality is that the corporations want their interest protected so they scream national security.
Morning Newday
I think most of the Dr. Paul fans, just from what I read here and see on the streets, are enamored by the whole "no government" thing. Unfortunately, they don't go deeper into the subject - and the man. Just my humble observation, thank you.
HI, Phine!
I always think they see in Paul what they want to see. If you look at his history, I can't imagine how anyone supports him. He is a John Bircher, and unfortunately, people don't know what that means anymore.
Newday,
I think that is why it is mostly young people who support Dr. Paul. They have no real feel for history and haven't learned that everything is not always black and white - that there are many shades of gray inbetween!
What Evelyn wrote is important and I hope you Paul supporters read it carefully. She is right. Paul wants to wipe out Civil Rights legislation that was hard won by those in that fight.
How any of you can look at that and say that Paul is not a racist is beyond reason.
I do believe the folks on the right seem to look at the past through a Norman Rockwell type of rose colored glass. They keep wanting to go back to a past that wasn't as great as they imagine it was. (Boy, am I waxing philosophical this morning or what?)
We need Romney!!!!!! He is the only one that can make things so much better.
Really!?!?! LOL Going to have to make another cup of coffee, the first one just sprayed all over my monitor!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Silly people. Don't you know the Federal government has no right to dictate the morality of the people. True "social justice" comes from the people. There are white bigots and black bigots. Did you all forget that Obama went to a racist church for 20 years?
I'm curious, and truly not being sarcastic, where does everyone get their information about presidential candidates (besides MSNBC which we all obviously read)?
I'm always in the market for a good, non biased, non party affiliated site to do research.
Give it,
Don't preach the government dictating morality to Progressives. Tell that to the folks on YOUR side of the aisle!
Common Sense,
Don't laugh. For me, I glance at the headlines, then google that headline and starting reading the various links (I do like Huffington, the Washington Post, Politico and the Times and on occasion the WSJ)
Note how the press doesn't touch Romney, since he's about 95% Big Government anyway. Best case for the powers that be (the Big Government powers), it will be Obama vs Romney.
Big Government wins either way.
Phine
My point is that legislation doesn't make people tolerant.
You know what is really funny, it's like the reporter is an ex-race announcer!
Beverly...
Apparently YOU know him well enough to qualify your opinion????
Legislation does not make people tolerant? I suppose not. But it stops them from acting like the bigots they are.
Ron Paul = wasted vote
I forgot to add that Ron Paul needs a better explanation why 9/11 was our fault and how ignoring Al Qaeda or the Taliban is going to protect American citizens in any way from violent mass terrorist attacks???
Ron Paul would eviscerate the government. Government is what society does that individuals can't. His love of Ayn Rand's philosophy (he named his son Rand, remember)--that selfishness is a virtue--is the basis of what's been wrong with this country for the last 10 years: unmitigated greed of the top 1%. Ron Paul would be a disaster for this country of immense proportions. Luckily, he doesn't stand a chance in Hell of becoming president.
I'm not laughing phinephancy. Good research isn't easy. Google searches turn up a lot of crap and it takes a long time to filter through it all. Sadly, not everyone has the time. I plan to take time between now and election day for due diligence and hope others do so as well and not just listen to the TV news.
Where do you get your moderate to right news! Or do you just read what people on this board say about moderate to right news.
"Don't laugh. For me, I glance at the headlines, then google that headline and starting reading the various links (I do like Huffington) (liberal), the Washington Post (liberal), Politico (liberal) and the Times (liberal) and on occasion the WSJ (when they write with a liberal bias)" Happy New Years. I went to register to vote here the on Thursday. Looking forward to 2012
Common Sense,
You live up to your name. THAT'S the way to do it. Too bad some of the other voters don't do it. (And use factcheck.org - great site)
IT SUCKS TO BE MITT ROMNEY!
Geeeez, with all that money, movie star good looks, beautiful wife, houses, cars, good-looking family and he hasn't got the one thing he wants above all else: Acceptance by the GOP.
It must suck to be Mitt.
I mean, take a look.
First it was Michelle Bachman. Then Donald Trump followed by Chris Christie, Rick Perry, Herman Cain and Newt. Now it's Ron Paul with Rick Santorum apparently cued up behind him.
Sweet Jesus. And there's ol' Mitt, slow but steady, still smiling, still campaigning, still trying to find love in the GOP. Man, that's got to hurt. How does he get up and hit the trail every morning?
The only GOP candidate who hasn't been a front-runner or front-runner-in-waiting is Huntsman. Why?
Well, let's see, he has a few things in common with Mitt, former governor, Mormon. Ah, there it is, the stealth negative. He, like Mitt, is a Mormon. The elephant in the room. The negative only a few will dare to mention.
I feel sorry for Romney, always a bridesmaid and never the bride. Well, the GOP is running out of options. I predict Paul will collapse just like everyone before him and Santorum won't come close.
Mitt's going to get the nomination, but why he'd want it at this point is the burning question in my mind. He's been repeatedly spurned by the GOP. If he were to become a Democrat he could probably be President in 2016. But he's no more likely to do that then he is to change his religion.
IT MUST SUCK TO BE MITT ROMNEY.
Obama/Biden 2012
Oh lookey, the Jolly old troll has come out from underneath his rock. Happy New Year to you!
Hi, skip: hope your holiday was a fun one. Happy New Year to you and the family.
sygh
Not on MSNBC - they will never accept the truth, because then they have NOTHING to keep their "loyal" base hating people without a real cause.
The same people don't want to hear that the charges Newt agreed to sign to were invalided by a three year IRS study that showed his Class was politically neutral - cleaing Newt and the 501C3.
Same people don't want to hear that Bush administration was cleared of all charges.
Same people don't want to hear that The Tom Delay charges will be overturned, as EVERY case like his has been overturned on appeal - for misuse of the laundering law. Not only that but a supreme court ruling overturned the use of that law for politics.
Same people still think Ted Steven's was guilty of bribery, despite the fact his conviction was overturned because the prosecutor ( a democrat) withheld the evidence that proved Ted Stevens innocent. And lest you think republicans are any better, they never apologized to Ted for dumping on him over the trial.
Palin is another sortid story - State law did not exclude out of state travel - they only signed the agreement and reimbused the state to avoid the publicity of a trial that the "independent" prosecutor openly admitted he could not win. Them signing kept both the prosecutor and the Palin's out of the soup.
Here ethics - similar story to Newt - Trumped up trial by media. Her abuse of power was her husband, and even the plaintiff admitted that "Palin saw from a far and seemed puzzled at why Todd was talking to me". The charge was that she didn't have control of her staff. The only "staff" member not under control was shown to be Todd, who was not an official part of staff.
I could go on, but someone needs to let the innocents know that they are being misdirected - deliberatly.
BTW - the only way I vote for Ron Paul is if he wins the Republican Nomination - this is afterall an anybody but Obama atmosphere. I don't expect that to happen because His foreign policy and legalization of currently illegal drugs will keep him from getting the nod.
This has been the oddest primary season for Republicans. The base doesn't much care for Romney so different alternatives keep popping up. One by one each alternative is shot down. Romney will get the nomination but there is little enthusiasm there and he will lose the presidential election.
Where Romney is losing it is in his proposals. He has had to pander to the right and none of his proposals have a distinctive and exciting feel about them. He represents himself as a problem solver but that doesn't come through in his proposals. Cain had 999 and although it was flawed from my point of view at least it helped him to stand out of the crowd.
We have real problems with middle class jobs. None of the Republican proposals address that. Democratic proposals are slightly better but still inadequate. I'm hoping in Obama's second term he and congress can come up with something that will stimulate jobs for the long term.
No, actually it doesn't, it simply makes them hide it better from the eyes of the law, but they still do it.
Happy New Year to you as well Dawn. Glad to see you are up and about today.
Obama/Biden 2012
Might be some truth in what you say, but it prohibits overt discrimination, like housing restrictions, white only stores and the like.
"We are ringing in 2012 with Newt the Crook OUT, its for the good of our Country"
Ron Paul has a few ideas I could support. He also has more than a few ideas that just don't fly well in our modern society. Sometimes Ron acts like he is on the verge of senility, and that worries me. Wanting civil rights repealed, is either a warning sign of a bigoted person, or someone who is borderline losing touch with reality.
I don't think Ron is a full on racist. He's probably at least a little biased/bigoted, given his age. His son Rand however, is at the very least, a bigot. Maybe he learned it from his daddy, maybe not.
If Ron is indeed on the verge of senility(can you say Reagan?), his son Rand might be able to have lots of influence on him, if Ron becomes POTUS. I don't want Rand to have ANY kind of influence in WH politics.
If you think that Obama is racist, because you heard a 10-15 minute sound bite from 1 sermon Rev. Wright gave, then you are a dufus.
That's like saying someone is racist, because a person in their group of friends told race jokes, and they never berated that person for it(and just laughed along with them for years).
Legislation won't change how people think, but it can deter them from doing stupid and harmful things to others. Punishment is still a deterrent.
Ron Paul a racist? If you simply go to youtube and search for "blacks on ron paul being a racist." You will find several videos of blacks showing their support for Ron Paul. Uh oh, the media didn't tell you?
Ron Paul is the only hope for the GOP.. Mitt is more of the same crooked corrupt politicians
Ron Paul is a candidate of Supremacists nuts, Jew haters and gay bashers, this guy lost his way a long time ago. I feel sorry for him.
Patriotic-
Supremacists, Jew haters and gay bashers? You've been listening to Newt, Romney, and Santorum too much. Please do some research.
I feel bad for old Paul with that "ALZHEIMER'S" Maybe he should step down ????
I was listening to my normal round of talk shows yesterday, and stumbled across the Mark Lavin show. He had a substitute in for the night, a gentleman that I cannot remember. He did his entire show dedicated to smearing Ron Paul. Hannity, just before leaving on vacation, smeared Paul as well, with Rush being a bit more cautious. I decided to do some vetting on these accusations about Paul's newsletters....Low and behold, I gained more and more respect for Paul the more Paul hating sites and articles I visited.
Take the time to vet Ron Paul yourself, and you will see that the establishment Republicans are pulling the same old @!$%# that Liberals do. Spin and destroy. Drop the racist accusations out of your minds conservatives, because I didnt find @!$%# when put into context, and either will you.
Regarding Paul's foreign policy, he wants us to basically stop being the worlds policeman. What is reckless about that when we are in 16 trillion in debt, with a real threat of not even being able to defend our own asses here in the next decade.
They say his isolationism would be the end of us! How are we liking that world economy where we have to rely on Europe's economic health for our own stability? How about our manufacturing outsourcing and our labor in-sourcing from the South? Who are the @!$%#ing crazy ones here? Folks, the path we are on right now will destroy us, the evidence is clear to see. What do you have to lose?
Ron Paul is the only hope for our country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1uc7x4a8SM
"Old Paul is guarding the Tea-ReTards henhouse in Iowa, the fox is out !!!!!!!!
Ron Paul's agenda is the closest thing I've seen yet to the "European model" of government. I guess some may think that's good. I'm not one of them.....
syrg
One thing you won't see on msnbc is that things aren't so rosy for Obama under the surface. Here's what happened and it started some years ago. The Democratic party was divided into two wings. The Clinton wing and the Kennedy wing. The Clintons had wrested the control from the Kennedy wing when Bill ran for president. Al Gore refused the Clintons help in his presidential run and enlisted the Kennedy wing giving them a leg back up, but that failed. They tried Kerry and that failed too. Obama was Kennedy's choice and is where Obama got his real boost. Harry Reid let the thinking slip
Funny thing, other than a few relatively small white racist groups the only party that looks at people's color is the Democratic party. I can only find Republicans talking about it when they are asked or race bated. Slavery is more than just physical chains. That is awful, but what may be worse and harder to prove is slavery via emotional or mental chains. Trust me - that is what political parties are about these days, elements of BOTH parties practice intellectural and emotional bondage.
I am seeing rumblings from the Kennedy and the Clinton wings that they would really like someone or Hillary to challenge Obama. This is not the first time - but such a challenge cannot be ruled out just to help Obama either. Worse yet, more of the power brokers in congress are retiring or wanting to retire. I think they all have remorse over what they have done, are looking to get out while they still look good.
You don't have to go to Fox or conservative radio to hear these things, they are coming out of left and mainstream news as just incidental news.
Newt is a pig
Maybe in terms of foreign policy, but he is the polar opposite on spending and social welfare. Nice try at a smear.
Newday dawning, wassa matter, Polyanna screen name taken already?
Patriotic American, Please learn how to open up your brain to other information. You must really be pissed that someone out of the system is finally getting attention.
@NewtIs:
I'd not shed a single tear if Iran nuked Israel off the map. It would bring a measure of peace to the region they have never known. As for them getting one here, that's alarmist talk at best. They know we could shoot down anything they fired this way, and the retaliation would mean the extinction of Iran and the conversion of the country into a self-lighting glass parking lot - something else which would bring a large measure of peace and stability to the region as well... either way the sane world wins.
No one person, is the "only hope for our country".
A lot depends on those in the House and Senate.
It's a safe bet that no one person could have turned our country around in 4 years(or even 8).
Obama definitely couldn't have done so, especially with the all the blocking and spitefulness from those so against him. Another POTUS might have been able to accomplish more, only because they might have had less resistance to their policies.
Anything Obama was for, many were automatically against(even though many of them were for it, before Obama was).
Obama is too centered for most righties, and lefties.
Dems had a slight majority(of 1) for almost 2 years. The thing is, Dems have differing opinions, and don't vote in lockstep like the GoP do. Liebermann voted with the GoP at least 80% of the time, and Kennedy was ill. There was no true "majority" for the Dems.
@DB Akron
Re: Ron Paul
also his social policy is similar to Europe's - drugs everywhere. Prostitution everywhere... Except no controls or protection from this crap from the Gov which I believe Europe has somewhat. So you're right - the worst of both worlds!!! What a winner........ lol
phinephancy,
Just curious, what kind of flower is that next to your name?
Thanks,
Pat
A vote for old Paul is a totally wasted vote, if he wins Iowa-bad for Iowa's credibility.
That old guy Paul has one foot in his grave and the Tea-ReTards are still flocking to him ??????????? This is not the person we need as President of the United States.
It's nice to watch Newt hoasted on his own pitard! Take a look at his 1996 "Language Matters" memo to the GOP on how to attack you opponent with words like;
Those of you who think Ron Paul hates jews, please read this article in an Israeli newspaper. You will find it to be quite the contrary. The way the mainstream media takes things out of context is incredible.
Here's a tip for you Ron Paul haters. Follow the money--------
Mitt Romney-biggest donaters to his campaign, Goldman Sachs.
Barack Obama-biggest donaters to his campaign, Goldman Sachs.
Ron Paul-BIGGEST DONATERS to his campaign, THE AIR FORCE, NAVY, & ARMY.
So, for the ones of you questioning Dr. Paul's foreign policy, should I listen to you, or those who have experienced our current foreign policies of policing the world? It is time for this country to move on from the Cold War mentality. If you are so worried about Iran, go fight them yourself with your own money. Also the ones on here stating Dr. Paul is trying to away civil rights are just plain ignorant. He has stated time and time again, that the states should govern more and the federal government should govern by the constitution. Is that hard to understand? Or did Bill Always-wrO'ngReilly, Rachael Madcow, & Chris Hissy-Fit Matthews tell you other wise? If you want to see what Ron Paul truly stands for visit you-tune & see for yourself, because the mainstream sure as hell want show you.
Ron Paul, the Champion of the Constitution and the Thomas Jefferson of our day, is a true American patriot and statesman. I am sick of oath-betraying, constitution abrogating, warmongering establishment neoconservatives posing as Republicans. Wake up America! Ron Paul for President in 2012.
A vote for Ron Pau is a vote for peace.
How are you all liking the establishment of both parties? A wasted vote is voting for yet another establishment puppet that will continue an either out of control social spending agenda, or an out of control Military spending agenda, with both advocating for our own demise by refusing to protect our borders while we en-rich other nations of the world manufacturing for us. How is that all working out people? How could you possibly want more of that. We are now 16 trillion in debt! We do not make anything is this country anymore; we dont do our own labor, and we think this can all continue? THAT IS WHAT I CALL CrAzY!!!
Ah the spam filter.....
you-tune=you-tube
Tea Bagger Ron Paul is Campaigning out of his "Coffin" and the GOP is digging his hole ???
Everything seems to be breaking for Romney. Even the weather (clear) is cooperating.
I wonder how Obama plans to smear him, since Obama clearly can't run on his dismal economic record.
So when Ron Paul wins Iowa, it won't matter, according to the main stream media, but when he wins New Hampshire will it matter, then?
How Mitt ROmney could not be considered a "True COnservative" is beyond me - the guy is WARD CLEAVER!
.....and for a third try.......
If it doesn't post, type "ron paul haaretz interview" into google or bing. Somehow I highly doubt that anyone will make the effort and do their own research.....
I have no doubt that the Republican party will smear him right off the map if he wins Iowa. He needs to return the favor by running independently. Given our current political climate, this is his true shot at winning.
Really? Those of us who will vote our principles and our conscience won't feel our voted is wasted at all. Rather, a vote holding true to ourselves. Can you say the same? Anyone that votes for party because of what the establishment says it right, is a wasted vote in our opinion.
The Chinese value their self-interest over everything. They won't dump dollars on the market because it'll destroy the value of their holdings, too. Find something else to worry about, such as the lunacy of a segment of the electorate that thinks that Ron Paul and Rick Santorum have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general election.
Hmmmm...after reading everyones comments I have to admit...I dont follow politics as closely as I thought I did. However I do pride myself on being current on matters as much as a single father of three daughters working two jobs 7 days a week after serving 3 tours of duty can possibly find time can be I guess. But for my daughters my wish is that they too can grow up believing in our country, believing that our leaders we choose only have America's best intentions at heart and have a solid foundation of honor that Americans as well as the world believes, not because he says he has it, rather because we can see it in his actions without doubt.
I had the honor (or so i thought till he opened his friggin mouth) to watch a speach in person by President Obama....he said word for word perbatum that the war I was fighting for our countrymen was a "Stupid War". I immedetly lost all respect for the man on a human level.
Romney is like the GOP's alternate date on promnight in case their prefered chose doesnt put out im my opinion....I wont vote for him unless he wins but I hope he dont....
Newt.....well I think the lack of typing here shows my opinion.
Paul...I didnt notice him much in the beginning, but after watching the debates and reading through some pro's and con's from sources all over....I have admit the man makes alot of sence to me, not all of it, but the majority of what he brings to the table is down right Patriotic. I think he's on to something with the take care of America first approach, and the fact that he brings to the table legalization of marijuana is a plus. If we did with it what we did with liqur and ciggeretts and apply the $$ to the deficet not only will we dig ourselfs out of the hole faster, but we would immediatly reduce the cost of inmates to our rediculously over crowded jails. Im just spewing some thoughts here and not going into major debat on what Im posting im just sharing my thoughts. thanks for listening everyone.
HAPPY NEW YEAR's
Newtisapig
I've been watching your posts for quite some time.I think your sole purpose on this vine is to smear RonPaul.You are following the main stream media smears.It would not surprize me if you were not getting paid to smear all Ron Paul posts that you can.You don't like Ron Paul, that's fine you are entitled to your opinion.But do some research and quit spreading these media lies.Say something credible for a change.
P.S. Newt is a Pig I agree with that
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Ron Paul will never get Republican support because his social views are too liberal.
Most Republicans here will start accusing liberals of bashing Paul, but watch your own network. Watch what Fox says about him... or the vile scum on the radio: Hannity, Beck, Lavin. They are all destroying Paul. It's not the liberals, it's your OWN PARTY.
Seriously, how many of you Republicans will vote for Ron Paul? How many of you will vote for a man who wants to legalize drugs, prostitution and gambling? (I agree with him on ALL those points)
How many of you Republicans will vote for a man who wants to get the government completely out of marriage, thus allowing gay marriage to happen because there will be no government intervention? (again, I agree)
You think the Republican base will support someone who wants all that? Ha... if you do, I have some swamp land to sell you.
Hitler stirred the same type sentiments that Ron Paul does. He disavows his own racist rants? He had admiration for white supremacist, David Duke. He called MLK Day, "hate whitey day." His following is full of "John Galts" that bought a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" and live a work of fiction as a reality.
While I agree with much of his foreign policy, his domestic policy would have those people clutching to a copy of "Mein Kamph" in attempts to play a master race game and kicking all social safety nets to the curb.
I have a special place in my heart for idiot self-loathing white twits who just can't bring themselves to vote for a white man in who's name some insensitive comments were published 20-30 years ago, but they crawled up and down one another's backs to be the first to vote for a self-loathing mulatto man who wrote more than one tedious tome about how lousy it was to be raised by white people who gave him everything that his black father denied him through his abandonment.
I hope you all find yourselves in the middle of the ghetto when society collapses, the supermarket runs out of food, and your fiat dollar becomes less valuable than toilet paper.
TO: Sick_of_Liberals who wrote:
No. Ron Paul is too weak on national defense, and he's too old.
When the public sees the video of Rick Santorum removing his top teeth and barking like a dog - I predict he will rise to the top - it's a real game changer!Kudos to Mr. Santorum and his imaginative staff.
Nice to see the nation is starting to realize that a true leader doesn't go looking to invade other countries, and a good national defense is not having military bases scattered through out the world. Rome, the UK, and The Soviet Union learned their lesson too late, hopefully we wont make the same mistake.
Ron Paul is the strongest candidate on national defense and has the soundest economic policy (obviously not Keynesian). The good news is Ron should win Iowa with about 30%-35% with Mitt hitting second or a tie for third. This will give us the true debate we need in the Republican party. Neo-Con (aka main stream republican) vs. Constitutionalists (tea party), we know where the neo-cons want to take us and it's not pretty.
First off, the money machine nor the military industrialists will not allow Paul to win. He'd get a ride in a convertible in Dallas if he did.
Constitution? You mean the paper that was part British Common Law and part French philosophers? The document capitulated to wealthy Southern land owners to allow them to keep ownership of other human beings. Blacks were bred by strength to produce the "best" slave. Women were excluded from land ownership and the right to vote. The entire document was made for white males--no one else had 1st class citizenry.
Have you ever been so demented that you felt that you had the right to own another person? A person, such as Paul, has no moral bearing. Politicians soften their stances as years go on and tone down the rhetoric. Do I believe that Paul advocates racial divides? Hell yes. You can change you mind, but not your mindset. Workers think it sucks now--but what would this nation be without safeguards against corporate polluters, slave wage labor, or social safety nets. I read that Iran has a 5% debt to GDP ratio. I recommend that you folks live there.
Sandtrich, you are one very lost and confused person.
Well, like a straying husband coming back to his plain but loyal wife, the Republican voters are returning to Romney. He may look unbearably drab, but even most of the Tea Party voters know in their hearts that Ron Paul will never draw a majority of votes in a national election, that Newt Gingrich is like a toy robot running amok, liable to go off in any direction, at any time, and that Bachmann and Perry are the stuff of which Saturday Night Live skits are made.
Huntsman is Romney-Lite. Rick Santorum may yet have his moment, or fling, as the favorite. But in the end, it will be Romney.
Sorry dman but the only politician who could beat Obama is Ron Paul. Mitt doesn't even hold a candle. I have nothing against the man, he just doesn't stand the test of time... Ron Paul does. Mitt and Newt are the splitters. People are starting to realize this. The press isn't giving Paul the credit he's due but in all honesty, the press is wrong on this one. Paul has got exactly what it takes. I've been doing some traveling. There are signs for Ron Paul popping up all over my state, that's North Carolina by the way. Paul would be good for both parties. I just don't see him as hurtful of Dems or Repubs.
People should really look up Paul's record, not the flaming mamies, Paul's real record. They would see a man who respects the constitution. Paul also got the audit for the Federal Reserve.
And speaking of, is everyone aware the Federal Reserve just gave a 600 trillion dollar loan to the EU on Christmas? Inflation, deflation, throw money at it. Did you also know the Federal Reserve owns 3 trillion dollars of their own debt in T-Bills and Securities? Run away banking.
there are many elements of chaos present in this election that you clearly are not accounting for, so do us all a favor and take your amateur prognostications and ram them up your quipping cake-hole.
This is probably true, but you have to wonder how many folks will go out and stand in line for - in some cases - two+ hours to vote for blah
its only "probably true" if you allow the opinions of the self-affirming media and other blabbering jackasses to tell you what you should and should not think.
Malleable,
Reading your posts makes me ask, if you hate the media so much, why are you here on a site where the MSM plays a big role? Maybe a cup of coffee would be in order.
"...and how letting the country fall apart when there is NO regulation or agencies making sure cut-throat corporations aren't screwing the 99% is gonna work out!!"
This comment is especially curious in light of the fact that government agencies, tasked with regulating corporations, have NOT prevented corporations from screwing the 99%. To the contrary they have been complicit in our demise. If companies can't or won't stand up to the realities of a free market where success is based on competence, quality and service then they only stand to diminish their own net worth, not ours.
Ron Paul can and will lead us to higher ground.
Phinephancy, I'm here to shine light where it is needed most.
One must have a light before one can shine it.
newday, what exactly are you implying? Does the light of freethought offend your faculties?
Malleable - talk to me after the Republican Convention.
Your loud posts and attempts at insults are a joke.
dman, my posts are actually quite subtle--and in spite of their subtlety, you've nonetheless unconciously projected what you think of them. It's actually flattering. ::amused::
While the sun is shining brightly here this morning, I shall enjoy my first cup of coffee of the day and muse on why the GOP is set on a mediocre field this year, and the fact in college football the SEC rules.
Not implying malleable, saying: you have no light bulb and cannot shine a light on anything. One only has to read your posts to know the truth of what I say.
Sorry dman but the only politician who could beat Obama is Ron Paul.
Well -- not one shred of data back that up. Even Rasmussen -- a very pro right wing polling organization -- has Obama beating Paul by more than 8%. Republicans' only chance is Mitt and that's s slim one.
Curious to watch the crowd Paul got yesterday at the fair. Not many suits in the crowd. Paul has a 'middle-earth' appeal compared to Romney's suits. Paul has appeal for the 99%ers due to his non-conformity. And I believe Paul is Romney's worst nightmare if Paul goes Independent for the national vote - Ron Paul will not get the GOP nod. Paul has a solid following - but it is a mixed crowd not entirely contained within the GOP. Romney has GOP flip-floppers and what's left of the old guard GOP. Many repubs just are not motivated for Romney - a negative side effect of the Teapublican influence, as he has not a glimmer of extremism. The only radical aspect of Romney is his flip-flopping on issues. I'm not sure any of the GOP candidates can garner a majority support within their party due to the poisoning of the water by the Tea. Romney's best move would be to scoop up Huntsman as his VP partner and hope the rest of the GOP sobers up before the party's over.
sygh - Sorry Sigh... but if you think Ron Paul is the only candidate who could beat Romney... you are not on the same planet I am on. He want's us to go back about 300 years before the Constitution was even drawn up. None of the republican candidates have what it takes to be in the White House. Regardless of who wins the nomination, Obama is going to be re-elected. The Democrats will increase their ranks in both the House and Senate. Once that's all done, the Dems have their shot to finally lay the framework to improve this country.
Obama 2012.
newday, why don't you go ahead and identify one of my posts that illustrates exactly what it is you are talking about? Your random Ad Hominem is out of place. Do freethinking individuals terrify you? What are you afraid of?
Why, are you incapable of reading and understanding your own posts? I am not afraid of freethinkers, non thinkers are really frightening. They always think they are smarter than they are.
Like you.
Um, perhaps you should head out to Iowa or off to say... South Carolina. You may not like what you read here on these boards but I don't think there is any shortage of light.
The government is a wholly owned subsidiary of Big Business. Big Business will elect who they want for president and once again that will be Obama as he's been so kind to them in the past--why rock the boat or break in someone new. In 2016 the GOP will run Goofy and he/she will win.
We no longer have any say in how this country is run. While we are fighting over our half a cookie government and big business are taking their 99% of everything ground out on the backs of not only the American people, but the Chinese, the Indians and anyone else they can exploit with impunity and throwing a huge party where they are critically carving up the planet for themselves.
RP-pa
No regualtion?
You mean 175,000 pages of regulations are not regulations?
When Carter left office he left 72,000 pages of regulation. Reagan cut that to 56,000. When the HCL is finally put in place we will be between 225,000 and 250,000 pages of regulation.
I'd hate to see what you called regulation - 500,000 pages? A Million pages? A Billion pages?
ITSABOUTTIME4531; from the pages of this posting to God's eyes and ears. I hope the Democrats regain full control of government,else the working poor and middle class will be delivered into POVERTY!
Smokeinmyeyes2 - I certainly hope the democrats prevail as well. They are the party that is most (but not entirely) in tune with the working poor and middle class. However, once the election is over.. they have a rough road ahead to begin turning this country around.
You do realize coffee is a diuretic and with all that coffee, most of blogging must be coming out of your powder room.
You are too easily flattered.
It is the empty barrels which make the most noise.
Sygh, while I have real reservations about bailouts of Europe, I don't believe the Federal Reserve loaned 600 trillion USD to them. There is only about 200 trillion in the entire world. I expect you meant billion. Other than that, yes this is just another attempt at the statis quo that doesn't do anything than make it tomorrows problem. Even Germany and France are reluctant after getting help themselves. China sees it as a bad investment as well.
Why is MSNBC changing the way you sign on to blog????
Unless, they are looking to hold those accountable who post on their site.
But, exposing FB accounts could lead to future liability claims if someone uses this method to track down or hurt a blogger because they don't like what is said.
MSNBC?????
despite being continually marginalized by the media Paul has clawed to within 2 points of the chosen one and you say the republicans have come to their senses and realized Paul is unelectable, I think you need to reassess the situation, Paul has 22% (in some meaningless poll) despite voters being told over and over again that the race is between Romney and Gingrich or Perry or Santorum or Bachmann etc, voters support Paul despite the media telling them not to that is the truth
It will be nice to see Gingrich disappear.
@ Phil
I believe Paul should be in the top ranked. He has lived longer, seen the country in his time, and is not a lame brain.
RON PAUL RACIST or NOT?
www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=b-aPeJYB4io
I had never thought that Ron Paul was a racist. Rather, I thought that his libertarian views regarding race were naive. Now, I'm not sure. In any case, an endorsement from Stormfront is not an endorsement of which to be proud.
He needs to address the racism issues in the Newsletters, ignoring Iran until they can send a nuke to Israel or our way, and letting the country fall apart when there is NO regulation or agencies making sure cut-throat corporations aren't screwing the 99%!!
sigh... really now. gimme Dr. Paul over Santorum and Bachmann any day.
Ludwig Mises
RON PAUL RACIST or NOT?
www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=b-aPeJYB4io
I think he is a covert racist poisoning the minds of our future, our youth!!!
Ron Paul is not a racist, and he never has been. Paul supports "individual liberties" which means that in the end, it's up to you, or me as to how we act, or what we do. Of course, there are laws, and if you do the crime, you do the time.
Electing a President who stands behind an individual's right to liberties doesn't change a person's stripes; however, it does allow us to continue to hold our individual right to voice our own opinions, even if those opinions aren't held by everyone. This is why we have a three tier system. But so many of us aren't aware of how that works in our favor.
For instance, I have considered myself to be a Republican for many years. I believe in a smaller federal government doing the job it's supposed to do -including foreign affairs, and then a larger local goverment where the issues we have can be addressed in the area we have them. I also believe in small business where one can obtain what is needed as much as we can within a 500 mile radius. I'm also a green builder. Further, I also believe in a woman's right to have an abortion. I also think there is nothing wrong with gay marriage. I don't want any more war, and think the war on terror is making more terror than anything. I don't like cameras on every street corner, or lining the rivers of this country (yup, now it's the rivers) because there are better ways of catching a thief without infringing upon our individual rights. And I do believe we need some social programs that run through the government. I also believe hospitals should not be run "for profit" but rather, as non-profit organizations, and that insurance should be catastrophic coverage, not day to day. This would lower the price of a doctor's visit to the point of out of pocket affordability for most everyone.
I could go on but you get my point... I am an individual, I don't fit the mould, and I doubt very much whether anyone else ever does.
I'll take Ron Paul for President!
I forgot to add that Ron Paul needs a better explanation why 9/11 was our fault and how ignoring Al Qaeda or the Taliban is going to protect american citizens in any way from violent mass attacks???
And isn't it funny how those "individual liberties" that Paul supports would remove liberty from people of color.
^ dumbest comment ever^
@Newday
LOL WHAT, where did he once say that? Funny you cannot even understand how he views people because its so radically different than how you look at people -- it seems that you group people into different groups, whites, people of color, blues, browns. Paul and his policies look at people individually, regardless of color of skin.
So let me ask you something, categorizing people as "people of color" vs individually, who is the racist?
Hint: its you!
Newt is a Pig
As people who researched the matter - Ron Paul was a Honorary Publisher. It is a title and not an active roll. One has to be a little bit more discriminating about what Honorary titles they accept. Don't you think. The real issue here is that MSNBC is not reporting that fact.
And BTW the vote against the 1964 Civil rights act, There 1964 civil Rights act was a watered down version of the bill he voted for, which was voted down.
And no, Doctor Paul does not have my vote at this time.
sygh
I agree with many of your positions. I think you are spot on and I consider myself a liberal. The problem comes in because while this works for you, as you point out, everyone is not you. You've basically made your choice in a vacuum. It's good for me so damn the rest of the world.
In a perfect world where everyone was gray and had the same level of intelligence, the same income and the same moral compass your ideas would work well. The problem is we don't live in that world. And as such we need to make at least a marginal attempt to protect people from not only other people but themselves.
How long do you think it will fly when people have to step over Grandma living in in a doorway? How long do you think it will fly when crime escalates through the roof because we've made no provisions to lift people out of poverty and get them into the work force? How long do you think it will fly when everyone has a gun and runs around shooting people they don't like? How long do you think it will fly when a war with nukes erupts between Pakistan and India or somewhere in the Middle East?
See none of these things may affect you directly(though I'd argue a nuclear incursion affects us all) but they will trickle down to you. Oil will go through the sky. Refugees will flood the country. Grandma will die in the doorway. Children will steal your wallet then rob your home...
We don't live in 1929 any longer. We live in a big global community with very dangerous toys. While I wish everyone would look out for themselves I know it's not feasible and most of us don't have the chops to step over someone starving in the gutter or shoot someone in the face who has invaded our home.
President Obama is horrible in so many ways,he needs to be replaced because he cant do his job.
So who to replace him? I think it well come down to romney or Paul. Ive read a good article on Romneys voteing record and he votes like a democrat.I really dont like his stance on Global warming.
Ron Paul is the only one talking honestly about what our country is faceing and is willing to do what it takes to fix things,im sure he isnt perfect.I like his ideas on not being the worlds policeman. I dont see the other candidates as being any more than the same old thang that got us where were at.
I wonder if anyone can tell me how Mr Paul views remove rights for minorities exclusively. I dont follow him that closely, but Ive not observed anything he has said that was anti minority. More like he wants everyone to have the same rights. Is that what your talking about? That everyone having the same rights somehow causes issues for minorities?
I knew no one could explain that where it didnt sound like minorities already had some special rule sets for them.
That's exactly right jolly, there is no issue other than what's being made up in someone else's head. I think that was a brilliant question well done sir.
Jolly- Ever heard of civil rights? Blacks were told were they could live, eat, drink,shop. Paul says he would not have voted for the civil rights act, and along with his son, doesn't believe that say a restaurant owner, puts up a sign, Whites only served, would enforce the law! Man do some research, there is plenty about what Ron Paul believes, he wants it back in the 50's, where so called Christian White people, have all the power! I think he has a few good ideas, like not being the police of the world. But he doesn't like the EPA, or any consumer protection.
the 9/11 commission found that the #1 reason for the attacks was our unconditional support of Israel. They also resent our stationing troops in the middle east. They also resent our continual screwing around with their politics with the cia. these are all things which Ron Paul will tell you are unconstitutional and unwise. The taliban were on the payroll of the cia up until 1999 when they cut back opium production. I'll let RP tell you what his plans are for dealing with whatever "al-qaeda" forces are out there but just keep in mind that the government has created many of these foreign problems by overstepping their constitutional authority. Maybe, just maybe more actions which overstep what this country is supposed to be about are not the answer we need
To oversee American government, which only exists to further the best interest and protection of its citizens, the foundation of the government must look to its mission statement (Constitutional law) which should be at its core, consistently definable, accessible and manageable. Education is important for comprehension of the country's mission, but wisdom keeps us on point when factions work to confuse and corrupt. Money is a tool to be used for citizen benefit, but commonsense weighs the use of resources based on the reality of certain and irrefutable facts. The overreach of government, beyond its own basic premise and law, serves no citizen, corrupts the system and exposes the country to every kind of manipulation and coersion. It incites cynicism, disparity, mistrust, fear, contempt and war. That's where we are. I don't want a figurehead President, I want someone with character who understands the law, puts it into practice as it is defined and gives me my liberty to live my life with the security of knowing my government must work within a framework that to every citizen is understandable and guaranteed. Then Americans cannot be overwhelmed with suspicion and concern that its government is working behind the scenes to sell them out, whether through coniving or incompetence. If anyone is running for President who professes to have the knowledge of the law of the land and promotes it, who swears to follow the Constitution which protects and upholds citizens rights, and has the proven character to affirm those practices as displayed in their consistent actions in line with law, those are Presidential qualities and that person should be strongly considered for the role. In every election in this country we should be inundated with candidates that have those qualities. I only see one. Ron Paul.
Aside from Jon Huntsman, I think that Stephen Colbert's "Ped Xing" is the best GOP candidate.
that's what Newt gets for saying Iowa wasn't that important.
Is 5th place (or hopefully worse) o.k. with you Newt?
Cain and Gingrich were never serious contenders,the media only blew them out of proportion so they didn't have to acknowledge Paul.
You know,the old " ignore him and maybe he'll go away".
Don't look like it worked this time.
Newt was only in it as part of his book tour until his ego took over during the debates. Cain apparently thought it would be a good way to pick up chicks.
The whole process in Iowa is an exercise in futility.
Ron Paul = wasted vote
Time to start talking about serious issues, not clown issues. Let's hear Romney vs. Obama and let the adults speak please...
john,
Iowa results tend to reflect well for the Dems in their primaries. For the GOP not so much, and I have always wondered why that is.
Iowa results tend to reflect well for the Dems in their primaries. For the GOP not so much,
Iowa is not a strong Republican state. They voted for the Democrat in 4 of the last 5 presidential elections. They went for Clinton twice, Gore in 2000 and Obama in 2008. Bush carried Iowa in 2004 but by less than 2%. The Republican bark in Iowa is much is much bigger than their bite.
You all do not know very much about Iowa do you? I was born and raised there for 25 years. I can tell you first hand, Iowa used to be a VERY strong hold for the GOP.
Check out: http:// www.270towin.com/states/Iowa
However, due to the impacts on the state from Reaganomics, its very clear Iowa turned Democrat. My home state made one mistake and voted for King George, but thankfully came to their senses later. Iowa does matter to both parties as a 'test' ground for the election. Many of the candidates found themselves brazened by Iowans talking about economics, foreign and domestic affairs, and equal rights. To say Iowa is an exercise in futility (john-537378) is the most obtuse comment I have heard yet about my home state. We have some of the highest education rates in the nation, we produce enough grain to feed the entire WORLD for one day, and then some.
@Newtisapig: The adults? How about the establishment. It is time to hear a voice that resonates with the common everyday American. Someone who is in touch with what is going on in the world and how our Govt has forgotten the constitution and what we as Americans stand for.
Ron Paul 2012!
My vote goes to Ron Paul.
Thinkers are the real leaders....believers are the status quo
"No War and Legalize Pot" -Ron Paul
I guess the Paul mantra is live it up while everything around you is either falling apart (no regulation) or being destroyed (enemies of USA arm up). Not to be morbid, but what does Paul care anyway, won't he be dead in a few years?....He'll leave the falling apart of the USA to the rest of us who still might be living...
Do you have any idea how many billions of dollars the US could make from legalized pot? Government takes a cut, police forces can take cuts in their drug enforcement units and allocate it to other areas. It is a good thing. I bet there are a lot more deaths and injuries surrounding alcohol than pot. I don't see how it would be a bad thing to legalize and regulate it.
Newtisapig,
Ending the war on terror is the right thing to do. When a war is over, it's over, you don't go dragging a war around for years, and years. Better yet, you don't support them in the first place but not to the point of stupid
Guys, this "newtisapig" is just an ignorant troll with nothing of sound mind to say.
Because I'm not a Ron Paul fan, huh?
You Ron Paul fanatics are something............ Would you love this old man still if he drove us all over a cliff?? I'm just warning that it's pretty obvious this is what his agenda will do...
Newtpig.....your regular gang of suspects have done such a brilliant job so far. That is why "the people" will vote for Ron Paul. They are speaking up and telling you that they are sick of your usual business of destroying America thru lies and greed.
"usual business of destroying America thru lies and greed."
get out of your haze!!! This is what you'd be protecting in Ron Paul world. If we need government for nothing else it's to protect us from GREEDY CUT_THROAT CORPORATIONS who have no regard for the 99% other than making a quick buck off of them!!
Governement protects us from greedy cut-throat corporations??? You are clearly insane. Government is in bed with greedy cut-throat corporations.
Ron Paul 2012!
@Mia5150, well maybe Democrats try to protect ordinary citizens from cut throat corporations more. I'll give you that!
I propose you Ron Paul fanatics start your own crazy country cause there ain't no way that demented old man becomes president!
Maybe we could start by making you earn your stay. It is a two way street you know. And since you don't have it in you to work toward straightening it out TOGETHER, you may best be served by leaving.
I'm just sayin.
I'm here to stay. And I'm here to prevent demented old men from becoming president of the USA.
Love or leave it.... just sayin'
In the end the contest will be between Romney and Rick Perry - and I think that together they would make an excellent ticket against Obama, regardless of whose name is on the top
Rick Perry ??? You must be joking, right?? I don't want that imbecile anywhere near the white house unless it's for a tour ...
Yeah, and Romney is another corporate shill that flip flops on issues as much as Obama depending on how much money he's paid. There's a reason the media on both the left and right is hammering home attacks on Ron Paul, and that's because his ideas will destroy their corporate interests. If you want to set the economy back on track then vote for Ron Paul. Otherwise, prepare for 4 more years of bending over. As for those people that still believe the media when they say he's a racist, you have to watch this video:
Rick's been toast...just doesn't know it yet.
HAHA, thinking about the two of them on one ticket....Mittens and Slick Rick....it'll be the infamous 'Milk and Toast' ticket!
Hey
Now THAT'S good!!!!
Perry as VP? You have got to be kidding? Perry as VP would be like putting the hockey mom back in. Perry prayed for rain and Texas received drought and fires. Even God wouldn't vote for that nut. Romney is the only viable candidate, and it's sad that he's the best the Republicans can find. One can only hope that there are enough people with an IQ over 4 to know that we can't have Eye of Newt for President so he's out. Romney's position is whatever the polls say this week. No spine, but at least he listens to the people. He's the only one who won't be a complete disaster.
I still like the bumper sticker of "milk and toast"
Honestly, it looks like Christie will be VP for Romney. However, if Romney is desperate for Florida, he may go Rubio. He'll need someone considered further right than he is (I guess the VP will need to be somewhat TP but they are definitely not my cup of tea!!! I'm voting Obama!!)
I don't believe Romney would risk 'dumbing-down' his chances by partnering with Perry - think Palin here; or, better yet McCain and 'Un-Able'. Perry's beyond done, no need to stick a fork in him to be sure. Just throw him out.
Prognostication 1 - Romney will get the Republican nomination, the Tea Partiers will be upset and push for Paul to get on the ticket as a write in and will recruit the evangelicals who could not vote for a Mormon even though he is more Christian* than 80% of them, so the conservative vote will be split and we will end up with 4 more years of Obama, UNLESS, Romney can woo the independents away from Obama, which is exactly how he got elected in the first place. Why can't the Republicans see that the Independents are the ones who decide who will be president? Extreme talk does not cut it anymore.
*Christian - one who adheres to the teachings of Jesus Christ and strives to pattern his/her life after the example of Jesus Christ.
Why is Bachmann even still hanging around?
Oh yeah, her seat on the GOP ferris wheel is sure to roll back toward the top pretty soon :-P
Most of Michelle Bachmann's ideas are crazy, but what did her in was that lard-assed spouse of hers and his claims about the efficacy of faith-healing and modifying sexual orientation. It will be a pity when she drops out - her crazy but often woefully uninformed sincerity was entertaining.
Bachmann is still in for the same reason Palin kept talking about politics. The more press she gets, the more she can charge for speaking engagements. She knows she has no chance to be President, but staying in the fight is going to make her a lot of money.
Bachmann will never get elected to anything again. Campaigning was her last option and the only way she could salvage a second career as a Fox news commentator; although some dubious law firm out there might hire her for the publicity.
I just don't have it in my heart to vote for Obama. The man is pathetic (but also proof to any racists that blacks can be just as terrible leaders as whites).
I also can't vote for any of the GOP clowns other than Paul.
RP 2012
Stinkleton: While I like some of Rep. Paul's views, I don't have it in my heart to vote for him. The thought of him as Commander-in-Chief scares me. The only GOP candidate for whom I could vote is Jon Huntsman. As a conservative Democrat, he is too far to the right for me, but he does not scare me as do the other GOP candidates. Otherwise, I will vote for President Obama. While I have been disappointed, to some extent, I don't think that he is pathetic.
Stinkleton
I just don't have it in my heart to vote for Obama. The man is pathetic (but also proof to any racists that blacks can be just as terrible leaders as whites).
I also can't vote for any of the GOP clowns other than Paul.
RP 2012
Stinkleton,
You are a sicko and will fit right in with the rest of the brain stems in Ron Paul's Camp.
Here's hoping yo evolve.
Bev,
Good morning. Alas, of all the folks on the right, one cannot reason with a Dr. Paul supporter. They have the mindset of a cult that allows no room for any thought but of their leader.
Alot like you Obama supporters huh? Ahhh ignorance must be bliss.....
Why am I a sicko because I support Ron Paul?
And no, I don't follow the man like I'm in a "cult".
Beverly in Chicago,
Based on what you have written, it seems you don't do much homework on a person before you make a judgement call. I can't appreciate that. You come off as if you feel down right superior to anyone who thinks Ron Paul is telling the truth. Unfortunately, you don't offer any proof, you simply spew out a venomous all encompassing statement about a group of people you don't even know.
Granted, you do have an endearing way of tossing your words around (not). Brain stems. If Dr. Ron Paul is an example of a person with just a brain stem, I'll go with the brain stems any day of the week. At least these people don't presume to be smarter than they really are, nor do they force their opinions down your throat. Dr./Senator Ron Paul's is known for acknowledging every single person's right to their own opinion, regardless of whether you, or I agree with it. The great part about that is the fact that it doesn't mean Ron Paul, or anyone else agrees with it either. And that is the thing, isn't it? We aren't all clones, are we. So, if someone endorses Ron Paul for President, it doesn't mean someone else holding completely different views shouldn't or, won't endorse Ron Paul. Individual liberties, the rights of the individual is the point.
Maybe its better to know that we don't know everything, and that there still is the possibility of overcoming ignorance. At least that makes possible the opportunity for a brighter future for all of humanity and the inhabitants of the earth, as opposed to just a group of people, or just yourself.
I hope the thought of individual liberties doesn't scare you to distraction. Individual liberties are exactly what this great country of ours was built upon, and why so many wanted to come to the US. Individual liberties give a person the right to be stupid, to make mistakes, or to shine. Do you want corporations to be given human status? Should the beliefs of a group of people supersede the rights of one individual? Why not bring back stoning?
Because you still have rights, as an individual, you still have the right to voice your opinion, regardless of what I think about it. As such, we can agree to disagree, or agree, in total, or, by points made. We should be elated we have these individual liberties, all one has to do is look around the world to see there are many people living in countries who don't have individual rights.
Who wants freedom of thought, when our government can mandate it for us? I want freedom of thought. Who wants difference of opinion, when our government can homogenize the entire world. I want differences in opinion. Who wants competition? I do! I also want individual responsibility!
I will not attack you personally but I simply cannot agree with what you have said here. I won't presume to have changed your mind but maybe, just maybe you will look into what the Presidency under Ron Paul would look like. IMO only, I think he'd be good for both Republicans and Democrats. Ron Paul states that he is willing to help us help ourselves. There isn't a man or woman currently on the face of this earth who can change anything alone. Even Jesus said don't look at me, don't make me an idol. Look to God and love thy neighbor, as you would love yourself.
Beautiful sygh!
If this wasn't so scary it would be funny. These same people attacking Ron Pauls supporters, calling us crazy, morons, racists, yata yata yata; are the same ones who were crying when other repubs attack them calling them crazy, morons, socolists. They do not see the hypocrisy.
I cannot and will not ever vote for Gingrich, Bachmann, or Santorum. period.
Makes no difference who it is..they are ALL wasting their time! ;)
I think the problem with the GOP field this time is that they don't seem to be speaking to the country at large, but to their own factions among the Republican voters. This is why, in my opinion, no one can seem to get above the Mendoza line at around 23-24%, or even stay at that level for very long. It's like a pendulum that constantly swings away from the rising star.
It really looks like the GOP is very fractured and polarized - how can you unite a voting base when the party candidates cannot even find common ground amongst themselves?
SigShane,
That's what primaries are all about. And actually, Ron Paul is talking to everyone, not just repubs. He isn't getting the coverage because the repub talking heads are trying to think for the entire party. That doesn't mean that truely is the way it is though. A majority of republicans no one is talking about would write Ron Paul's name on the ballot if necessary. Many people are doing the homework on these candidates. In my state, Ron Paul signs are popping up all over the place and my state is predominantly Democratic. Figure that one out. I like that fact that the young people like him too.
President Obama hasn't done a horrible job. I just would like to see Dr/Senator Paul take the helm. He's got some really good ideas. We just have to remember, it takes time to change, and it takes work and a goal.
Bacon!
Obama is what is what you have left over after you cook Bacon. Greasy and of no use.
As a bacon expert I resemble that comment!!!!
Obama 2012
Hope not Hate
Progress not Regress
how the hell is Obamam NOT like the previous president?? You sir are a fool...
It's gonna take more to unseat the incumbent than 'Obama stinks'. It is the ENTIRE machine that is failing at the moment, not just the executive. Congress has plenty of culpability in this current state of the union too.
Sig Shane: I agree with your comment. While Congree has always "played games," it seems that the game-playing has been increasing since 2006. Republicans say, "The Democrats did it first." The Democrats say, "The Republicans did it first." When will they "grow up?"
I say that Congress is even more to blame than the President.
Correction to my previous post: Congress, not Congree!
@ Mary: I agree. Maybe we could get Grover to amend his signed
threatcontract. Instead of "No tax increases", it should read "NO STUPIDITY" Or "Put America First".Hey,
Grover couldn't make a profit off of no stupidity and putting America first.
Hey, It's MEEEEE: Agreed. While I have always thought that no elected official should sign any pledge, maybe, given the current state of Congress, they should all sign a pledge that says, simply, "Put America First."
Obama has divided America and will continue to do so, We all know this. Nothing will ever be done as long as Obama is president..The same old crap for four more years. We need a president that is a moderate to bring America together again before it is to late for us. Obama has almost bankrupted America we know its a bad time to be president, but he knew this coming in. Obama has not the experience or support of Congress on ether side. Voting for Obama is voting for the Failure of America.
Voting for party over America is very dangerous in these trying times. We need Jobs,Factories,America Oil Obama has failed in all these areas. But he has done well for wall street and the special deals to big Labor unions. How have you fared over the pass four years?
Excaliburgc -
Obama has divided America and will continue to do so, We all know this.
We all know this? Maybe you. I don't believe for one second that Obama is solely responsible for dividing this nation. Let's also give a tremendous amount of credit to that do nothing teabagger and republican party.
Nothing will ever be done as long as Obama is president..
He has done more for this country in the last 3 years than those teabaggers in Congress could do in a lifetime.
We need a president that is a moderate to bring America together again before it is to late for us. Obama has almost bankrupted America we know its a bad time to be president, but he knew this coming in. Obama has not the experience or support of Congress on ether side. Voting for Obama is voting for the Failure of America.
America was already on the downhill slide towards bankruptcy. We have had a severe unfavorable balance of trade with China long before Obama came to the Presidency. What did Bush, Congress, or any others before them do to stop it? Nothing. The republicans continue to support corporate welfare in this country. Why do the oil companies need taxpayer dollars when they are making record profits? Where was our government when the real estate industry combined with lenders made RISKY investments, painted a picture for the american public that they could afford a mcMansion? Why does our government give tax credits to corporations that export jobs to other countries? Why did GE not pay a single dime in taxes? Why is that our government still treats welfare recipients like its a way of life?
Voting for party over America is very dangerous in these trying times. We need Jobs,Factories,America Oil Obama has failed in all these areas. But he has done well for wall street and the special deals to big Labor unions. How have you fared over the pass four years?
I will vote for OBAMA in 2012. He has presented a jobs plan that the republicans did not even consider. America needs to invest more in renewable energy resources and not rely on an Oil based economy forever. America's policy has always been to use up everyone else's resources first before we use our own. Obama is more for the middle class than the republicans will ever be.
Because Bush didn't divide America. Everyone was in synch with his ideas...
Strangling the media and shutting down things you don't want to hear does not create concord. The country has been angry and divided since Clinton and it's been that way because while we are all fighting over scraps big business, the supreme court and the government is doing exactly what they want to further their own interests.
It's about time, there is hardly a middle class left anymore, and the poor(er) folks are benefitting due to getting more money and services for free, kinda like the new AmericanSocialism we have today. More money going out than money coming in, all done for nothing, as it helps no-one in the end.
excal...
Obama didn't almost bankrupt this country, Barney Frank, Dodd, and Ben Bernanke (and don't forget Greenspan) did that. The Federal Reserve manipulates our currency. Bernanke, himself, called our currency fiat. And it is fiat, there is nothing, and I mean nothing that backs our currency, it's simply paper and the only value it has is based on the value of how much is out there in printed (electric) form.
Inflation strikes, print more money, deflation strikes, lower the interest rate. If that doesn't work, buy your own debt. And if that isn't enough and you haven't lost everything you currently have you the Feds plan to take another 40% away from you ... in other words, if all else fails, devalue the dollar internationally.
skeeter-339704 - there is still a middle class in America. I am in it, at least for now. However, I do agree that the middle class has shrunk considerably.
In terms of americans who are receiving benefits for free.. There are some americans who do need the assistance. There are to many stories of elderly americans who have to choose between paying their mortgage or buying the prescriptions from profiteering corporations. There many americans who do NOT need it. Welfare and social benefits in general were never intended to be a way of life. It was a program to help americans get back on their feet. That's what it should be again as well. I would support any candidate or elected official that took a stand on proper welfare reform in this country.
No one who is not verfiably disabled (they need to be re-verified every year if benefits are to continue) or a child living in poverty (also subject to verification) should get any welfare longer than 2 years to get "back on their feet." Period!! The BS that jumping through hoops (proving that you are disabled or a poor child) to get welfare is some how demeaning is only an impediment to rooting out "waste, fraud and abuse." The biggest problem that I see is getting the welfare to the poor kids around their parents. Poor parents should not get welfare (if you can not make it here in the USA try living in Somalia and see just how succesful you would be) Parental control of spending welfare is the same BS as mentioned above. Don't want the Gov. telling you to buy healthy food or paying the heat bill instead of some other life choice then don't ask for welfare.
Social Security is NOT welfare but common sense argues that it should be means tested so that those making more than (let's say) $100K (just to throw a number out there) in their retirement probably don't need the help of the government to maintain an American lifestyle. Common sense in Government?? Now that is a new idea!!
One of the major reasons that there is always a cycling of front-runner candidates in elections is that American citizens view all of the candidates as an unacceptable choice, so they are left to simply choose which candidate they dislike the least. This is due in large part to the overentrenchment and excess power of the Republican and Democrat parties, which is due in large part to the campaign finance system and balloting rules that these two parties have installed for themselves. These systemic problems 1) have allowed these parties to amass grossly excessive power and kept these these parties in power far too long (judging by history, they should have fallen from grace about 50 years ago), 2) effectively excludes any third party from gaining a foothold and becoming a legitimate option, and 3) causes our elected representatives to focus only on the needs and desires of the party with which they affiliate and the few large organizational contributors to that party, as opposed to the needs of the majority of American citizens and what is best for the country as a whole.
This is not how a democracy is supposed to operate. We need systemic changes to return fairness to our government and to cause our elected representatives to begin to focus on the American citizens that they represent as opposed to only the party and its organizational contributors. I encourage everyone to check out the American Overhaul Act at www.americanoverhaulact.org, which proposes a set of Constitutional amendments designed to correct the systemic deficiencies that are allowing these problems to persist. The Act is focused on six areas of concern: Federal Election Campaign Reform, Congressional Compensation Limits, Congressional Term Limits, Congressional Size Limits, Elimination of Party Favoritism, and Federal Budget-Deficit Reform. Please check it out, and, if you agree with the proposals, share it with your friends and family so that we may continue to gain the support needed to cause our government officials to take notice of this Act.
You think Congressmen are going to pass term limits on themselves?
Good luck.
I like it! And, while I honestly doubt either of the major parties will squeeze themselves into a corral of this size after having had decades to run free, I hope that at least some of the proposals will come to fruition.
Particularly the term limits. I do not understand why, when the Constitution was amended to incorporate term limits for the executive branch, the other arms of the government were not included. There are folks in office now who were elected before computers were around, yet we look to them to write and pass effective internet laws?
That is - in a word - weird.
Federalism is what holds this republic together. It's a two-party system by design. Parliamentary "reforms" are not only legally impossible, they're dangerous in a republic of this size. Read James Madison, Federalist #10 and get up to speed. Term limits would be nice, though.
@ ltcommander72: We definitely think it is unlikely that Congress will pass these amendments on themselves. Which is why our founding fathers created an alternative path to amendment that avoids Congress altogether. The states can pass a Constitutional amendment on their own by calling for a Constitutional convention, proposing the amendments to be ratified, and then ratifying those amendments, all without any input or assistance from Congress. So, while I wish Congress would be sufficiently unbiased enough to pass these amendments if it is what the majority of Americans want, I truly believe that the route that will need to be taken to get the American Overhaul Act passed is the state-only route.
@Malleable Sheep: Actually, our system was not designed to be a two party system. In fact, our founding fathers were against political parties altogether! See, for instance, the Wikipedia article on American political parties (), which reads: “The United States Constitution has never formally addressed the issue of political parties. The Founding Fathers did not originally intend for American politics to be partisan. In Federalist Papers No. 9 and No. 10, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, respectively, wrote specifically about the dangers of domestic political factions. In addition, the first President of the United States, George Washington, was not a member of any political party at the time of his election or throughout his tenure as president. Furthermore, he hoped that political parties would not be formed, fearing conflict and stagnation.” However, we have indeed had political parties since shortly after our country began. But, the two parties in power have historically changed every few decades. In contrast, the Reps and Dems have been in power for nearly a century. This is due in large part to the systems that they have installed for themselves which stop any third party from gaining enough ground to actually unseat one of the two controlling parties. This is why we need systemic changes. Unquestionably, we will always have two dominating parties in our country, but they should not always be the Reps and Dems! We need changes to allow a third party to step in and challenge the Reps and Dems, and that is what the American Overhaul Act allows for. Check out the full PDF of the Act at www.americanoverhaulact.org and I think you will see some of these points laid out in more detail.
@steve1996999 Your "...don't you people have a mind of your own???" [on 12.30.11 7:20] We Paul supporters proved we have minds of our own--we want the wars to stop, we want foreign aid with American tax dollars to stop, we want gov't to give back to the people what they took away, we want to get rid of the Fed...I say by supporting these opposite to the establishment values proved that we DO HAVE MINDS OF OUR OWN, since we are not going with or accepting the status quo which you are hogged-tagged to.
@hummbird3359530 "consumer protection" would accurately be protected by free market where the people will determine the quality and price for a product, companies will be held responsible for bad decisions and be rewarded right, check and balance will be dictated by consumer purchasing power--you think Goldman Sachs would still be alive in a real free people's market had the gov't not bailed it out? Businesses livelihood would be in the direct hands of the purchasing powers of the people--You think the gov't is there to protect you--You're wrong, they are there to protect big corp money, while they throw the common folks nickels and dimes to keep them quiet. More times then not, it was upon the people's urging that the gov't acted. In some cases they don't act no matter what--take the housing bubble, why haven't anyone been prosecuted?
We live in a free society with trapped minds.
Wow, those super pac attack ads sunk Ginrich's hopes in Iowa.
Oh well. Only four percent of Iowa voters participated last go around.
There is still his home but real home state of SC.
This whole political joke going on in Iowa is just that a joke. Let's all be very realistic about what this means. A Miami newspaper reported that the total number of registered people in Iowa that will have an opportunity to vote in these upcoming caucuses totals fewer people than have requested absentee ballots in Broward County Florida over the past few weeks! Yes, more people requested absentee ballots in 1 single county in FL than ALL those that can vote in the Iowa caucuses! And how much money is being spent there for these votes? How many electoral votes does Iowa have? And take a good look at all these Republicans that are trying to get the nomination. Are any of them really that good? As I said, this is a political joke going on in Iowa and we, the public are suffering through all these dumb comments and ads and in-fighting within the Republican party. And let's be honest, are there not any better possible nominees out there?????
Wow, one newspaper reported something and that one thing is totally true for ever and all...By this comment it is apparent that you're not a person who'd do your own homework; you probably never listened, checked, compare, nor follow any of Ron Paul's convictions. Maybe in part because the establishments of antiAmericans are blacking him out to keep people ignorant--like pushing the NDAA bill (what's that, you say) to kill what little pieces of liberty we as American have. I tell you what winning this caucus would do, it would give Paul the recognition he deserves--ever fought for something that pays nothing because fighting for that principle was right? Ever stood up for something no matter what because you believe in something so strongly? Ever fought for it steadfastly for 30 years? Do you know any Congressman who regularly gave back a portion of his salary to the people's budget? Winning the caucus symbolizes the people's choice--choices that still rang out and won despite all the media black out against Paul, despite all the name calling, insults, things that would make the weak and less convicted give in, like Obama, and the other rep candidate jokers doing the money dance. When Paul wins it means not the media, not the special interest, not big corp, not money controls him--only the peoples' votes. When Paul wins, it means the people wins.
Who gives a @!$%# whether if the candidate is rep or dem, vote for the @!$%#ing idea not the party and listen with your mind not your emotions. There is absolutely nothing in Paul's conviction that would hurt one American. Only those want to support another country before the U.S. would oppose his American values. You live in a free society but you let someone think for you, and with that they ride you in the direction they want to go, herding you along until they slaughter all your American dream.
Neck and neck.? I'll believe it when i see it. Doesnt matter tho, because neither one will beat Obama next fall.
I hope you're correct , Bill. But don't forget about our congress. We have to elect every dem who is up for re-election. Otherwise, it will be the same destroy America theme that the reps have been running since President Obama was elected. No matter the rep candidate is, people will be out in droves to get him elected and to take over congress. Dems and Indys had better not be complacent. I don't care if you look at it as the lesser of two evils - keep the republicans out.
Excellent point and I agree 100%. Pay close attention to the states as nothing will change unless we take the states back. Wisconsin is attempting to recall its governor - and must succeed. Ohio and Mississippi put down several extreme referendums as a start. Now it is up to the rest of the 99%ers to see this reversal through. Too many representatives got in by backlash default and we must correct that.
RECALL WALKER WISCONSIN!!!
Moderate Indy, You don't sound very independent to me.
WOW!! I didn't think anyone could fall from the top faster than Rick Perry but Newt has managed to do it. Newt's next gig won't be at the White House but back a Fox.
Yeah. Fox's gonna have to free up time slots for their new show hosts, namely Newt and Bachmann.
Sigh, some 'get rich quick using my book' or 'miracle acne cure' infomercial at 2 AM is going to have to go...
We have serious problems in our country. The Federal Reserve is stealing the wealth of our nation at an alarming rate. No candidate but Ron Paul acknowledges this.
Romney and Santorum seem to be hell-bent on starting WW3. This frightens me much more than a non-interventionist foreign policy.
Romney looks presidential but doesn't know right from wrong until he checks with his lawyers.
I'm all-in for Ron Paul. He will make a great president. Let's vote for honesty, wisdom and integrity this time around.
Don't forget senility.
Yeah, Paul will be able to conveniently 'forget' every mistake he makes :-P
Saint Ronnie was good at that.
I guess Obama must have a case of early onset Alzheimers.....because he forgets alot of his campaign promises and mistakes. I especially like how he "forgot" that he attended a RACIST "CHURCH" for 20 years, or associated with domestic terrorists.
If you pay attention to ALL the evangelical "Christians", you will see they are all bigots and racists attempting to hide their biases behind a twisted and perverted facade of Christianity.
Jesus would kick their butts.
I've warned before about writing off Perry. He's got the money and organization to hang around and watch other candidates blow up; as expected, Gingrich's campaign just blew up.
The key point with Perry: this bozo will win his home state in a national election against Obama; he's more of a sure thing in this department than Ron Paul. Santorum's rise in the polls is impressive, but he would get destroyed in his home state one on one against Obama. Long-run, the Gingrich support is going to look as far to the right as possible for someone who can deliver their home state and a block of states. The someone who best fits that bill is Perry. Looking at the far right and Tea Party vote, much the same can be said; between Romney and Perry, they'll choose Perry. Why? Because of what would be Romney's surest path to the White House, namely independent and conservative Democrats; Romney simply does not get to the White House without them while the far right sees them as coming between the far right and an exclamation point mandate. The far right of American politics wants to bull-doze its agenda forward and the candidate who allows them the best opportunity to do so is Perry.
All I can say about the prospects of a Perry presidency is this: there will be ample opportunities for expatriation before he destroyes this country once and for all. Social security opt-outs and big, fat flat tax standard deductions make for a potentially sizable wad of cash, which puts the expatriation option on the table for a lot of people where it was never before possible.
rodentwarrior, you should run, you seem to have all the answers, and know just how everything should be done to win. lol lol
The GOP has NOTHING to offer in the next election. As an independent, I too am looking for an alternative to Obama. So far, all I know is what I can expect from Obama. I have no friggin' idea what these clowns represent... except that I don't want any of them to be president. Romney has been so silent that I have no idea what he stands for...