why cant the media just come out and say it like it is: republicans will oppose anything obama does, good or bad, for the strict purpose of getting him out of the white house. and

It's crazy, at least to me, that giving everyone the opportunity for affordable health care is a negative.

As Alan Grayson (former D-FL) once put it.....The TeaPeoples plan for health coverage is "don't get sick" but if you do "die quickly"!

zaruski

why cant the media just come out and say it like it is: republicans will oppose anything obama does, good or bad, for the strict purpose of getting him out of the white house.

Because it doesn't serve the media's corporate interest; zaruski

Newt says Mitt had a good health plan before he said it was lousy, Mitt says no way my health plan sucks big time now! after he said it was good. I wish one of these guys would make up the other ones mind for him. Ha if Obama said Mitts health plan was bad they would both swear it was good! These guys flat out lie without abandon, they don't have a hint of conscience. Newt and Mitt's campaign slogan should be "I'll Say Anything", really anything, anything at all, just tell what to say and I'll say it, I'm a damn talking Elmo doll, and I would like to be POTUS, say somthing, pull my string, and I will say it back to you, I'm Newt Romney and I approve this message, uh no I didn't, well yes I did, but that was before I disapproved of it, unless of course you want me to approve of it, then I will, unless I don't, till I do again, but then I never did, well just once, but it was a mistake, and I'll do it again because it is the right thing to do, except that it is wrong, very wrong, and that is why we need a real leader in Washington.

Hi Pot, meet Kettle!

it is a good plan and has worked well.....romney looks plain stupid for trying to back away from it.....he's such a puppet that he cant even stand behind his own work

It is the most expensive health care in the country. We want to lower cost, not raise them!

There is a reason Ron Paul is starting to surge. Agree with him or not at least he is consistant in his views.

It is the most expensive health care in the country. We want to lower cost, not raise them!

You have it confused with GWBush's Medicare Prescription Assistance Plan. THAT was the GOP answer to rising health care costs. Gov. Romney's plan was the upcoming GOP solution until the GOP became the party of "NO"; no plan, no solutions, no ideas just ideology. Better wake up to the fact they don't care about average Americans only average American votes, their loyalty goes to the highest (corporate) bidder.

And yet ANOTHER reason why I'm voting for Ron Paul.

as a conservative, if this P.O.S. grinch is the g.o.p. candidate, i'll vote for obama...at least he is what he seems to be...now i'll be sending big to paul campaign.

Overpopulation is the real problem facing mankind. The few can't pay for the many because mathematically it doesn't work. This is only one big problem facing humanity after surpassing 7 billion in only 12 short years. The Ganges river will dry up by 2030 displacing 500 million, I can't wait to here from some of these zealots then.

Also you can't work for money if someone else is working for food. Can't blame China, there population will be decreasing by 2026. Damn them and there one baby policy...oh wait? Hey Pope, your hangin right in there with the Muslim's with the "maka thee more baby" crap, you have the poor Mexican's suckered. "We shall overwhelm" ...oh wait that's not right either. Sorry went a bit nuts after a God fearing Baptist told me everything would have been fine if H1N1 worked the way it was suppose to?

Yep, Ron Paul consistently thinks that if you don't health insurance you have the freedom to die. Wrong, but consistent.

I am sure that Ron was being consistent with his views when he voted not to end the Iraq war with the republicans.

When Ron voted against increasing the minimum wage he was consistently against the people.

I want a president that wants to lead all the people, not just the rich ones.

Obama/Biden 2012

This is just absurd. Since I've been able to vote we have seen this non-sense again and again and again. Parasitic politicians that will say or do anything to get elected are being elected again and again by our wacked out voters. I just don't get how you elect these same type of scoundrels to office again and again then have the gaul to whine about how they screw you over once they get in office.

phinephancy-4252115

And how Willard will respond!

Mittens should just say thank you! What a gift he got for the Holidays and what a mess of hypocrites the lot of them are, liars and hypocrites...

Folks:

This year's Republican crowd chasing after the nomination for president reminds of the "Big Whoppers Liars Contest" held in Indiana every year, however this one is national in scope and seems to be moving around a lot.

Every 3rd Saturday in September since 1988, men and women have gathered in New Harmony to celebrate the tall tale. The event was started by local trickster Aubry Robison, Jr., but after his death several years ago, Fleming took over the helm. About fifteen contestants take the stage in front of a crowd of maybe 400. They get four minutes to spin the most incredible yarn they can come up with. A team of judges award points for exaggeration, humor, stage presence and storytelling ability. This event, which will cost contestants and spectators alike $5 to enter, is now a part of Kunstfest, a weekend-long German period festival.

Big Whopper Liar's Contest - When, Where and More Info Please

When: September every year
Where: New Harmony, IN, U.S.A.
More Info Please: For more info call 618/395-8491.

The ultimate contestant of course would be a politician, and may I suggest a cross between two of the front runners who both seem to have a firm grip on telling fibs.....we could call our new Frankenstein....wait for it.....Mewt Richney, and he, (or it), could contain all of the worst qualities of both, and none of the good, (if there is any). I would suggest using both mouths, since this will speed up the obvious requirement to speak out of both sides of the face and save lots of time for the voting public to listen to their spiel.

I welcome any comments or additional ideas.

Cheers!?

zaruski

why cant the media just come out and say it like it is: republicans will oppose anything obama does, good or bad, for the strict purpose of getting him out of the white house

Actually, the media says this all the time - just about every day.

I'm for Obama. But if we had to have a Republican prez, Huntsman is the only sane one of the current (and probably future) bunch. To all you people who think that Ron Paul is the best thing since sliced bread, I guess you're ok with a bigot for president.

Vote for Ron Paul because like it or not, he is consistent? I would expect all candidates to be consistent, if if they change their minds, own up to it and tell us why. New information? Because the puppet master said so? Like it or not..what is that? Sure, I will vote for someone who I don't like because he is consistently wrong in my view point.

But Howard, it was okay for Bin Laden to kill thousands of innocent people because he didn't like our foreign policy, its okay for Iran to have nuclear weapons and give weapons to other countries to be used in terrorist attacks because apparently in Ron Paul land terrorism is self defense.

The man is a complete nut case. I am with you on Huntsman, unfortunately intelligence is seen as a bad thing by the tea party so they tend to ignore him.

Regarding Ron Paul--being constant can be a good thing but being consistently wrong on domestic policy is NOT a good thing. Paul's views might have been relevant in 1912, but not 2012.

Folks:

Sorry, unintended duplicate of prior post above.

Ha! Blingrich is such a frickin hypocrite.....

It's funny though - people are in denial about mandatory Health Care but IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN in some form or other because the need for it is INEVITABLE. Maybe you want to trust the states with this but I sure don't!! (although Mass. is doing pretty well with it from what I understand)

I guess Gingrich can always pull a "Ron Paul" and say he didn't write that memo. Oh, sure, it's on his personal stationary, but he had other people writing for him all the time. He hardly ever read any of that stuff and he can't be responsible for what other people write.

FatBob: wrong. very, very wrong, on both your facts and your lack of any degree of humanity. You might want to google some science on population growth before you spout out that kind of nonsense. You obviously would be shocked tolearn what's really happening worldwide.

Sandrich is right! Luckily, we have just about half the entire planet's military spending.

Which is why our borders are secure, we've won the war on drugs, our economy is in great shape and we have a solid jobs base.

Oh wait, none of those things are true. Darn.

That's right, half our taxes aren't even spent on America, we give them away overseas.

Sandtrich is right, Ron Paul wants to stop shipping your tax dollars overseas and spend the money right here rebuilding America. He's crazy. End all the wars? More crazy.

End the war on drugs? If he legalized pot he would put the drug cartels out of business. Look what happened to the mob after prohibition; they had to find a new racket. It's madness!

Why are we accepting this as the way it is in politics and not demanding more? Nix all of the GOP candidates and let's have a strong write-in campaign for somebody, anybody, as anybody, even a nobody, would be a better GOP candidate than this lot!

It's good that we post here, but we need to take action to bring about the change we seek. We need campaign reform, eliminate the electoral college process, and support a strong independent party and a 4th populace party that addresses the interests of the middle class. Start writing op letters to the editor of your local paper. Show up at political meetings and rallies such as OWS and voice your opinion, demand action from your legislators, call in to talk shows like C-Span, get involved, and do your part to be heard or don't cry about the outcome.

Of course universal health care is inevitable. The alternative (doing nothing) is far more expensive, or the Republican default (let the corporations manage it) is a recipe for those death panels the Republicans like to push onto Obama's plate.

Who truly believes that the poor using emergency rooms for basic health needs is sustainable?

Who truly believes that for-profit health care will make a consistent effort to protect people's lives in lieu of an end-of-year bonus for management?

The profoundly stupid in this country actually believe in a society where everyman can fend for himself. You know, like the good old days, out on the range, where the Rick Perry's pretend to live while they soak the poor and middle class while giving contracts to their friends. The conservative voters are pathetically delusional. Let's see if they eventually wake up. While Obama has saved capitalism for the capitalists, the Republicans and Tea Baggers have tried relentlessly to destroy the country. Get a clue folks. The irony is palpable.

I guess its true, Romney and Gingrich will say anything to get elected. You both belong on the bottom of a shoe.

LMAO!! What politician doesn't re-evaluate what they say? It is fun to see everyone scramble about in hopes of minimizing/maximizing a politicians stand.

Heck I understand that even obama falls within this category. Seems that he wants to raise the debt limit again by years end (as reported on bloomberg.

A Newt is a slimy gollum like creature that thrives in mud. A Newt is known to eat the newly born or freshly hatched young of other residents of the pond or stream in which it dwells. Hmmmmmm, sounds a lot like a politician.

Ron Paul is your great (white) hope???...you mean the guy pushing 80 who has never won a single caucus or state in his Presidential runs? The one who thinks we all should be able to print our own money? The guy who wants to legalize heroin and prostitution? The guy who thinks Iran will be fine if we just ignore them? The guy who has never passed a piece of legislation in his entire Congressional career because his own colleagues consider him a loon of the highest order? THAT Ron Paul? Oh you guys are just too funny....

Seems that he wants to raise the debt limit again by years end (as reported on bloomberg.

I don't think it's a matter of him WANTING to raise the limit, I think it is required, or we wont be able to pay our bills! It's not a want, but a NEED at this point. Anyone who stands in the way, or fails to understand that, has no business being involved with American fiscal policy.

But after that is done, we also NEED to find a way to raise more revenue than spending. Ending wars helps. Not starting them while also cutting taxes is another win for balancing a budget.

Aside from legalizing the war on drugs to bankrupt the drug cartel,

ALL those could be used to describe Obama. Nice try though.

You don't agree with bankrupting the drug cartels?

Oh, wait that's right the war on drugs. Look how successful it has been. I almost forgot about the great war on drugs. What a smart use of tax dollars over the decades.

It has prevented ghettos from turning into warzones, urban decay, drug houses, and reduced crime so we have the least amount of jailed citizens in the world. It's prevented drugs from being READILY available in every school in America.

Oh, wait I forgot none of those things are true.

Let's increase spending on the great war on drugs. That way we keep prices high so the cartels can move in and take over America.

AP, what the heck are you talking about? What science are you talking about? If it's what I think, there is a name for it; Cognitive Dissonance.

The nation needs affordable health care, but it needs common sense government. The answer is too simple. A federal law requiring companies that wish to sell health insurance must be implemented that forces insurance companies to supply affordable basic health insurance to meet the laws requirements. We did it with auto insurance, why not health insurance. Too many decisions are left to the individual states, which required health insurance by law, people bought health insurance just to find out that it didn't meet state law requirements, and then they were fined! Now people are finding that if they meet the state's requirement for insurance values, they can't afford the damn co-pays to be able to take their families in for health care! What's the use?

National Health insurance should be provided by the Federal Government when states don't meet regulations for their own insurance providers, a national health insurance that pays for itself as it goes. If insurance companies wish to not lose business, they must compete with the Government supplied coverage.

The time for insurance monopolies is over. We need representation form our houses of legislature. They serve the wealthy and the corporations not the people.

djdrew - but we can't do that!! That's too much regulation and not the way of capitalism!!
..sweet mother, forgive me - I just turned into a politician. How terrifying! I need an exorcist!

The War on Drugs, what a futile waist of money. Its like the Coast Guard sailing a Cutter around the Caribbean for 2 months Costing millions and in the end they rarely find anything of significance and it doesn't stop addicts. Sorry truth hurts but legalizing would at least make it safe.

Death to all trolls

Has anyone ever seen Ron Paul and Pat Paulson together in the same room at the same time......just wondering.

Does this surprise anyone? The point finger and blame party now has their hands in the cookie jar again. Gingrich - once again, the only thing you are qualified to win is a pie eating contest.

Regarding Paul's platform. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. We should decriminalize some things (pot, gambling, maybe prostitution) and we should mind our own business about some things (Palestine, other country's leaders), we should even remove the government from some personal decisions (women's health rights), but that doesn't make Paul's take realistic or feasible. His newsletters show he is just as liable to spew racist judgments as any other white guy and equally unwilling to admit his follies. Good Lord, wake up folks, the GOP took America to the cleaners already over their last four administrations....how did that work out for us? Obama's only problem is the GOP obstructionists. Whenever they have been forced to get out of the way, he succeeds beyond all hope. Boycott the GOP! Kick 'em all to the curb and let's get on with rebuilding America under this very intelligent and reasonable President. And kick out all the Congressional Democrats who are in the pockets of the rich as well. I know I know, there aren't any decent folks willing to replace them who could get elected. Aw screw it! Better to flash and grab what you can while we have it.

Of course universal health care is inevitable.

Darn tooting it is. What amazes me, is that if someone steals your wallet, the right have no problem with the police spending hundreds of man-hours hunting the guy down, then prosecuting him, and finally putting him in jail for $30,000/year. Total cost to society of your wallet being stolen? ~$50,000+

But if someone else needs a $10 anti-biotic so he isn't killed by a disease, EFF HIM!!!

Jus' saying...

Regarding Paul's platform. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. We should decriminalize some things (pot, gambling, maybe prostitution) and we should mind our own business about some things (Palestine, other country's leaders), we should even remove the government from some personal decisions (women's health rights), but that doesn't make Paul's take realistic or feasible

I agree, but his platform is also the biggest reason why he will NOT get GOP support.

I absolutely, 100% agree with his platform on pot, gambling, women's rights and prostitution.

I don't personally smoke pot, so taxing those that do means that MY taxes do not go up. It will save billions in spending and increase revenue from taxing someone other than me. What is not to love? Why the GOP is against this is beyond me. And if you want a real mind-f***, consider this... Republicans constantly call liberals "pot heads". So, in their warped little minds, legalizing and taxing would be a tax on all those "liberal pot heads", meaning the "liberals" pay more in taxes, NOT conservatives. Yet they are still against it. WTF???? (Let's just file this away in the: "It makes sense if you don't think about it" folder)

Same thing applies to women's rights. The GOP constantly blames the "welfare entitlements" for our problems, yet they want to ban abortion which will increase the size of the welfare population. So they want to reduce "welfare entitlements" AND increase the welfare population. Again... WTF???? ("It makes sense if you don't think about it")

So, on these particular issues, I agree with Ron Paul. It's the idea of not spending money to save people from themselves that I agree with. But the GOP, and the Tea Party in particular, hold the polar opposite platform on these issues... thus they will never support him, and he will never be President.

This is why I'm voting for Newt in the primaries, then Obama in the general.

Health insurance should be left to the states. Why so many on here subscribe to the "one size fits all" approach to Big Federal Government-run anything, simply reveals their inability to see the big picture or grasp the law of unintended consequences. If New York wants to have a single payor system, let them. If Arizona wants to privatize everything, let them.

Was that sound I just heard yet another GOP self-inflicted implosion? Can't wait to hear Newt's spin on this...it ought to be good.

Sounds hauntingly similar to the other "crash and burn" stories we've heard in the last few months.

Let's see...Bachmann ran full speed into the ditch first, followed by Trump's leap off his "birther" tower, then Perry was constantly "stepping in it", Romney can't seem to figure out if he was for it before he was against it or against it before he was for it (that's what you meant to say, Rick), Cain can't add very well and doesn't seem to know much about the inner workings of the company he was CEO of anyway, and now Gingrich.

Not to worry, Newt-ster...I hear they're looking for help at Tiffany's...part-time only. You'll probably get a bonus if you can use your political influence to bring in customers.

Romney has been very clear that Masscare was and is in most ways good for Mass. He vetoed a number of the more onerous parts initially and still feels that those parts are cumbersome, but he was overridden in his vetoes by the 85%D veto proof majority in his legislature. He has never backed away from Masscare in the parts he approved. I heard him speak recently and he was very clear that Masscare is a success according to 3 out of 4 Massachussetts residents in a very recent poll. (That is not "backing away from" that plan). He did also say in that speech that Massacusetts is not Arizona or Florida. He is a states rights kind of guy who feels local responses for local needs is warranted. He does not believe in Federally mandated (unconstitutional) forcing of persons to buy products (commerce clause). He will immediately turn health care back over to the states as his first act as our president.

If we are going to have universal heathcare, NOBODY should be exempt. When I say NOBODY, I mean Congress and all Government employees.

The reason so many people are against Obamacare is because it was not thought out fully and there are too many loopholes....additional costs to the taxpayer. Plus it was rammed down our throats without time to fully review the thousands of pages in the bill. For them to do that, then declare themselves exempt from it is idiocracy.

If it is good enough for the people, then that is what the politicians should use. No more exemptions. They are servants of the people. Remember the Constitution?????

Throw ALL the bums out and start over. We need a few more political parties to even the playing field.

How much more of this does the average American need to endure before another civil war is upon us? Probably the best thing that could happen.

I wonder if the daughter knew she was being used like a tool when defending her dad's lies about who signed the divorce decree? If so, I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

wife number one has quite a bit of class to not enter this fight in public...and NOT humiliate her daughter for standing up for her dad and against the truth. It's not the daughter's fault...she's just a dupe who believed his lies...but she should learn from her mother about what real character is.

These are typical republican candidates. Their oddities, lies, hypocrisy and general dishonesty are as common to that party as are flies buzzing an outhouse. While fun to watch and listen to, nary a one has as much chance of becoming President as a furnace salesman peddling his wares in hell. I am convinced though, since "Ron Paul" has been a candidate for something, since about 2 days before the country declared Its independence, He is likely to continue running for something for at least the next 150 years. Lighten up folks. Nothing more comical than a pack of fools who don't know they're fools.

And not one of them has any kind of a health care package...yet we're all supposed to join the fruitcake extremists who want to substitute "good luck with that" care and 45 million uninsured....just because they hate this President (and don't even know what they're whining about)?

The GOP has far greater problems that losing this Presidential election which they will do...The party of no new ideas, of extremism, of hate, has lost all moral authority to govern.

I think Alan Grayson summed up the GOP position on healthcare quite nicely (see 1.2).

As the world goes forward, the GOP does seem to stay in place, but I'm not sure where? I'd settle for the GOP of the Reagan years, but they seem to be trying to get back to the years before I was even born.

The world is a changing place, we need to change with it. Once upon a time we were #1 with no competition, if we continue on and seek to stay the same, we will be left behind. These old timers need to go, all of them, both parties, it just seems the GOP has more of them.

All politicians lie, but these GOP candidates we have now are just too obvious. The worst part, they think we have short term memory loss (or at least hope we do).

I have to admit, I liked Romney up against Obama, (6 months ago), I thought this country would be safe with either if elected. What I don't like about Romney is his flip flopping to get the radical extreme right vote, why can't he just run on what he actually believes?

President Gingrich? Now that's scary!

I totally agree with you Mark... I sometimes think, maybe hope the republican candidates are just being extreme to win the newly radically defined republican/tea party right. And once they have the "nomination" they will tack to the middle with less inflammatory rhetorical to appeal to the independents. But then again I am a dreamer...

Now, justasec PCross ...

You're saying that you hope the current Republican candidates are liars and that they should lie and then lie again to win? Is that what you wrote?

(They do seem to be following your advice, I gotta admit.)

I agree, the plan that Obama got thru is not perfect but is a good start...lets not forget that insurance rates were skyrocketing long before Obama got into office.

Or someone who benefits from the status quo...

Except for the FACT that the USA has the most expensive health care in the world long before Obamacare and still only have the world's 11th rated heath care for that most expensive tag.

This is all smoke screening for dummies. Talk about Obamacare when in reality the big issue is whether the middle class continues being destroyed for the benefit of the ultra rich.

lvingbarefoot. since the majority of the healthcare plan won't go into effect until 2014, and healthcare costs continue to skyrocket, how's that capitalism thing working for you?

Anyone who wants to be "taken care of by their government" is a fool!!!

Actually, Capitalism is not an equalizer; by its very definition, it creates inequality. It creates a system whereby some people become wealthy, and most people do not, but lots of people try really hard. And like most systems, those with wealth and power seek to maintain and increase it. People tend to go along with it because if they can't "make it" they don't see themselves as poor, only as pre-rich. There is a reluctance to find fault with unfettered "robber barron" capitalism system itself because we are all hoping to be the next wealthy one.

jodi - you should hope you never have to rely on Social Security and Medicare. How are your IRA's, 401k's, savings plan, company retirement plan and health insurance doing?

I had a discussion with a 50 year old who hates President Obama and the Health Care Reform act, along with hatred of and progressive ideas. This fellow said “no way is hell would he let anyone force him to buy health insurance. “ So, my question to him was if he had a major accident or illness that lets say cost $100,000 or more, what would he do? His answer, “go to the ER.”

Of course with additional questions of how he would you pay for this was the answer to pay $20.00 a month. Of course my response was $20.00 a month was not going to satisfy the hospital or ever going to pay the bill. I went on to point out that such as a plan of action on his part flies in the face of what his far right friends believe in, and that he would be considered one of the dead beats he and his friends accuse the progressives of doing.

Livingbarefoot. Capitalism has had decades to bring down health care costs. Why did that not happen?

livingbarefoot: you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and clearly don't know how this works. Health care costs were skyrocketing for a reason. We have the highest health care costs in the world per capita under your "free market" system and worse than mediocre results for it. Why, because free market is an illusion. There is no free market in health care. EVERYONE eventually needs health care. If the insured can't get coverage, they go to hospitals when they are already much sicker, for emergency care. Now guess who pays for that?? It's not the insurers who wouldn't cover them. It's the taxpayers and it costs far, far more.. We ALL pay for the uninsured. Even for those who are insured, how the heck do you expect the average citizen to go up against their health insurance company and come out ahead? It's absurd to talk about this as though this were your ordinary consumer product. Insurers before the new law PROFITED by collecting premiums and then excluding payouts--where have you been??? You've never heard of millions of horror stories of people losing their insurance over"pre-existing" conditions, which absurdly began to even include things like pregnancy? That's not free market--that's absurdity. This is not a commodity we're talking about. Health care just for the rich? How the heck do you think we got here--the last industrialized nation in the world to adopt some kind of minimal health care. What an absurd argument: free market means allowing 40 million Americans to flood hospitals handing over their medical bills to the rest of us?? That's the kind of argument that lost the election for Republicans. Have at it. You're doing a great job of keeping that streak going.

well. If we actually HAD capitalism, I might agree. But that would mean no manipulation of markets by the government in markets, and that would mean NO FED. I hold my breath on that one...

lvingbarefoot....you're either a troll, or you just made the dumbest comment ever. Just take a look around you....take a look at just how far you're free range, destroy as many lives as possible to get rich, beloved capitalisim has gotten us. Now, take a look at the semi-sociaist countries like Canada, Sweeden and Norway, they arent having problems like we are.

Hell, Forbes just did an article on the happiest countries and take a look at the top three...all socialist countries.

Obama/Biden 2012

Canada doesn't have problems, American Socialist? Tell that to the Canadians with terminal illnesses that have to come to America for treatment...

Oh geeze...here comes that death panel crap...save it dumb@$$

I was speaking of quality of life as a whole....its in a nice pretty chart for you. I guess just like Faux News...I must dumb down my comment for you to understand....don't be sad...its ok.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but overpopulation is the problem.

• The few can't possibly pay for the many, it's not mathematically possible.
• Can't work for money if someone is working for food.
• Can't educate people with religion dictating politics and population growth.
• Can't isolate your people on a planet surpassing 7 billion.
• The one baby policy, which is working for China, is better then war. Sorry!

Anthony it is the other way around. Canadians have excellent health care. Some opt for clinical trials at places like Fred Hutchinson Cancer Reasearch center. They aren't flocking here to overpay for regular doctors or hospitals that seem to have a high incidence of Resistant staph infections and poor outcomes. Sorry dude, Most are very happy to be treated in canada.

Fat Bob: hate to beat a dead horse, but you really need to do some reading. You've got it wrong. You don't seem to get it. The world population is now leveling out. That's right. A large number of countries have birth rates that are not at replacement rates. Seriously...you need to catch up and find something else for your hysterics about the end of the planet.

Oh, come on, these things happened five years ago or more.

Voters these days only care about what was said last week and a good majority of them only care about what was said last tweet.

Things like history and facts are boring to most people and don't belong in today's modern elections.

Navy--you are correct! I had an opportunity to see the system in action over the period of a year. Most Canadians don't understand why people in this country lie about their health care system, since the people I spoke with were very happy with it!

"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly

I keep seeing comments saying capitalism is the great equalizer and government will only make healthcare worse than it already is. My point is capitalism is in play now and my company provided benefits over the years have become a shadow of what they used to be and at three times the expensive so if this is capitalism at work - this is not working. And if you have been to the hospital lately its not the most impressive experience by no means. We have to do something... And the free market had its chance...

Capitalism was removed from health care years ago!

That is what is wrong. The R's killed competition for their buddies and they let us get raped.

Then came the D's "fix"! Good intentions, horrible results. They looked at it and saw that the companies were screwing us real bad and decided to stop it. They limited how low their loss ratios could be. If they made too much, they had to refund money to policy holders. Sounds great. Anyone ever get a refund check?

Now, you have no competition and companies that can only gross 25% but still want to screw us.

What do they do?...Hmmm, we will just overpay for everything! Grossing 25% of billions is much sweeter than 25% of millions.

That folks, is the thorough destruction of capitalism!

AP, yep, that's what I thought, Cognitive Dissonance. Your killing me spreading this crap; here is a link right out of Wikipedia, which is the lowest common denominator for you to fact check. listening to the fundamentalists is very dangerous. Fundamentalists have spurred many wars and spread poverty worldwide.

I agree with Navy, and know the Canadian system firsthand.

My wife is Canadian, we live in the US. Her whole family lives in Canada, and are happy with the healthcare system. Her aunt is a doctor in a hospital, another a nurse, those lines in the ER you are told about are lies. The system is Gov't run, but all decisions are made by the family and doctors. that detail is also one left out when the propaganda machine tells you about the gov't run "death panels".

The elderly and hospice care is outstanding, basically in line with the top care here in the states which only the wealthy enjoy. Their basic elderly homes for everyone, put our basic homes to shame.

For basic Dr. care, they are the same as here. Now, if it is not life threatening, you may have to wait a week or so for certain care, but you have to remember, there is not an MRI machine on every street corner like here.

I live in a small town about an hour outside of a major US city, and when I needed an MRI, I had a choice of no less than 5 offices within a 6 mile radius of my home. All with no waiting, I could get in whenever I wanted. Those things aren't cheap, all sitting waiting for patients. Then you wonder why it costs so much?

My experience here in the states with Insurance Companies is mixed, some good, some bad. But I do know and understand that Insurance Companies are only there for one reason, profit. Believe me, when a life or death decision needs to be made by an Insurance Company, profits will win out over you. I can guarantee you one thing, they will not lose money to save your life.

Job1

Anyone who is against healthcare reform is a fool?

The federal government has no role in healthcare reform. The federal government is worse than broke, $16 trillion worse. Where is the uproar? Either we pay it or default, we must pay it and it hurts. It's taking 40% off the top now and climbing fast.

Job One is the national debt, not the blame game, but stop the bleeding game - as the spending quickly continues to 20, 25, 30 trillion. Stop the music, stop the deficit spending already.

If the Canadian system is so great, then why have so many private clinics started up there in recent years? The best doctors and nurses go to work in the clinics because that's where they can earn more. Canadians have to pay thru the nose to go to them, but they still do. Seems to me it's still about the "haves" and "have-nots" in Canada. Those who can afford it, get the better health care. Those that can't get the dregs. (If you don't believe me, just google "Canada private clinics.")

In Australia, a network of private hospitals has sprouted in parallel with the public hospitals. The sad joke among Australians is that you hope you're still conscious enough to direct the ambulance driver to take you to the private hospital because the public hospitals are where you go to die. Why? Because again, the best go to work in the private network - that's where the money is. The government has a hard time attracting talent to the public system. Doctor shortages are endemic in the public system. And why did the Australian government allow this dual system? Because they discovered their best and brightest were setting up shop overseas, and the medical tourism trade blossomed. Now, those best and brightest have at least come back to practice in the country. But the separation between the "haves" and the "have-nots" has never been greater...

So, unless you're going to hold a gun to the head of the best and brightest and force them to practice medicine, no single payor system on the planet will create the utopian pipedream of quality universal health care.

AP - health care costs are growing because of the insurance.

People think that because they have health insurance, any tests will be paid for.

Newer, better equipment is purchased, because of the demands for these new tests and procedures.

Because doctors have risk insurance, lawsuits and settlements are the fastest growing expense in health care.

Because we Americans demand the best drugs (insurance will pay for it) pharma was sinking big bucks into research and development. When Obama leaned on Pharma to reduce drug charges by 80 Billion in 2009, R & D was cut by 2/3's. Drug warehouses were shuttered and OT production dropped. If you haven't bought any prescriptions in the last two years then you couldn't notice that many drugs are now on backorders - until enough are ordered to warrant a production run.

Some people need to do a little fact checking. One of the most complete health care systems is over 100 years old. Has survived through 2 world wars and still functions. A maniac in charge realized that messing with this system was a big mistake and left it alone. And it still survived. Yes if you have a boo boo you may have to wait for care. If your life depends on care then all ahead full steam. If you want a specific surgeon, you can wait but that is your choice. This system even survived the addition of another population 1/3 the size of its users with only a hickup.

Yeah, the German system is over 100 continuous years old, Hitler didn't mess with it, and it absorbed the the East German population when reunification occurred. Add in the french system of doctors as EMTs on motorcycles and I see a very good system that could work.

All lies aside do you really want a President who is announced at the State of the Union message as Newt "I am not a Salamander" Gingrich and who looks like Porky Pig?

Robert

I was kinda looking forward to : "Bda, bda, bda, That's all folks!" at the end of his speeches.

lolololol

The Republican candidates for president all seem to have a chronic problem with honesty and integrity

No different than Democrats - actually, I might owe an apology to the republicans for that one.

And ain't it fun to watch!!!

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It's sort of like watching the floor exercise portion of Gymnastics, oh wow, look, a Triple Newt followed by a Double Romney, with a full twisting Gingrinch landing in a Split Mitt! Flip Flopping has never been more strenuous, I give them a perfect 10, they should take the Gold with that routine, very high level of difficulty, very high, not one easy straightforward maneuver in the whole campaign, uh I mean routine. Next up is the Synchronized Lying portion of the competition, where our candidates will have to think as one but react with opposite actions to each other, it takes tremendous concentration, a total lack of self respect, performed without conscience, they are quite the team because they make it look so easy.

Too funny Forrest. What a visual image.

Don't change that channel the Iowa Balance Beam is next!

What I like is Mitt's new casual shirts that are supposed to make him look like something other than a stuffed shirt. Sorry Mitt, different shirt, but the same stuffing.

Forest, thank you for making it so visually clear. I cannot imagine what these two pretzels would look like in the room trying to make the decision to go after Bin Laden or any of the other terrorists who were endangering American lives.

Obama did nothing of the sort. In the first meeting at the White House Obama dumped on their ideas and told them he won, they will have to deal with it.

The democrats in congress did incorporate some republican ideas though. most of them closed corruption loopholes, bad language, poor cross referencing etc.

Isn't that the name of that guy on fox and friends?

Yep that's the guy, only Douchey is his pet name, his real name is Steve Douchebag.

Newt is a douche bag, I seen him at a bar once and the bartender asked him what will you have and Newt said Vinegar and Water on the rocks, and make it a double.

See, now, that is a common mistake. Newt is actually a douche nozzle.

Me too! What a crock of lying a$$holes. The Grand Obstructionist Party and their followers are brainless and like a bunch of lemings mindlessly following the leader off a cliff. I just hate that we have to watch this happen for 11 more months. No more Republicans!

Amen!

Why the discussion on this subject? The integrity of the candidates, duck hunting, the flip flop....... all goes on while we continue to ignore the debt? The American People have yet to demand we stop the bleeding as the deficit spending continues. When anyone brings it up, they just blame Bush or Blame Obama. How we got here is history. We are going to ignore it as it climbs to 50% of GDP, the fruits or our labor? I can't believe it.

Both parties are liars and corrupt to the core. The difference is that if you legalize Pot Obama and Romney won't be fatter than Aretha Franklin. Newt would be.

Uhhh.. You are obviously dodginh the point with your anti-Dem banter. YOUR CANDIDATES were caught with their pants down. Get over it, your sweet innocent, ever knowing, wise beyond wise GOP are on the same page as the President.

Besides, talking points doesn't fix things. YOu are no PHD to even come close to understanding that if healthcare does not get reformed, that in itself will bankrupt the US.

You're a fool.

Another republican lie. I pay close to 600$ a month for the republicans version of healthcare in place already and who's premiums, just like each past year, just keep right on skyrocketing already. More than likely I am also helping to pay for the whiners as well. The only part of the healthcare bill I want to see changed first is the republicans force them to pay or fine em insert they had the democrats take out the public pay for. The rest can be adjusted as we go.

I've worked in the ER and have seen people come in without medical coverage and get treated for free, "Who get's to pay for them?" If only they could pay at least something and have the government supplement for the rest, it could save us a lot more than "repealing" the healthcare plan. Not everyone in America goes to college or becomes a rich person, there will always be the poor. And why does a rich person want to leave in a poor country because he/she doesn't want to pay taxes? Third world mentality is what USA is becoming. And Blogging is okay.

It already been stated that it should pay for itself. Right now when uninsured get care the hospital eats the cost and charges that back to the insured as higher premiums. In the new system there will be no uninsured so hospital cost will drop and individual rates will go down. In addition currently unisured people getting preventative care should reduce emergency expedures dramatically. This is really good news for the currently insured. Your rates will go down! This is bad news for the uninsured because they will no longer be able to play the system. The bottom line is that it is simple math. The cost of healthcare will only change if more people start going to the doctor. The cost of healthcare=cost of all of the care for all the medicare recipients. 1 ER visit prevented saves probably enough money to provide routine screenings for 10 people for 10 years. If you are currently insured and do not support this reform, you are being idiotic. If you are uninsured and do not support it...I could care less. Im tired of paying for you.

Solemenini: THat happens in EVERY hopsital in the country: the taxpayer pays because by law, hospitals cannot leave people dying in the parking lot because some insurance company rejected them. No, people with money will not flee the United States just to escape taxes, they already escape taxes quite legally in (you've not heard of the occupy wall street protests over that issue??) --we've got one of the lowest effect top tier tax rates in the developed world. The US is and will remain the richest country in the world whether millionaires pay a little more or not. We have decided at long last to join the rest of the developed world by adopting some minimal level of health care, not mandated by a central payer (the government) because if EVERYONE pays something, we're no longer leaving health care in this country to the insurance companies who make money when they do NOT pay out. America can no longer be the land of the vastly uninsured...where people lose their homes and their savings if they get seriously ill. The law hasn't even taken effect fully yet, but it's already proving a winner--It's only the Obama haters that see this as an issue only for the "poor"--

Not Whining,

How have we been paying for it up until now?

Do not doubt that we HAVE been paying for universal health care. We have been for years.

Poor, uninsured people get injured and sick. They always have, and always will. Do they just lie down and die quietly? Or do they go to the hospital?

They go, and they are treated. The hospitals CANNOT turn people away simply because they cannot pay. The doctors are bound by oath to treat everybody.

Then they make a token effort to bill them, but they're never going to be able to pay, so it's really just a waste of paper.

Who do you think has been covering the cost for this? Do you think the hospitals just accept the loss?

Or do you think the cost is ultimately passed on to insured patients in the form of higher insurance costs?

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We already have universal health care. Just the LEAST EFFICIENT and MOST EXPENSIVE form of it possible.

Obama's plan would encourage people to seek medical care BEFORE the last possible moment. Preventative measures would be more common. Preventative care is always cheaper than emergency care!

I really don't see ANY way this could be more expensive than what we already have. I really don't.

Medicare is a Govt. program it supplies better care at less total cost than all other Ins. programs this is bad? rich repubs. want all safety nets removed their attitude is "screw you jack i've got mine" their guiding principle is Greed they want 1% rich people and 99% peons and if unrestricted money continues to buy the govt. they want they will accomplish exactly that go to get the money out .com & sign their petition

It's easy...Get rid of the rest of the republicans and Tea Party and let America prosper. Take out the fat from the health care bill put in by the retardlicans to pay off their health care insurance lobbyists and we can all afford health care.

I agree that it shouldn't be mandatory. Those who whish to opt out should sign a pledge to put up their home, car, clothes (except the ones on their person) to pay for their healthcare if they don't have insurance. They could also buy insurance from a private company at whatever rate the company wants to charge. It should be an option. So, what I am saying is we should have 3 options. One should be to buy the high priced insurance at whatever they want to charge and by whatever rules they want including exclusions for pre existing conditions, a single payer government plan that is affordable based on means testing or no insurance at all with a sworn agreement to pay out of pocket all costs for treatment even if it is hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Santa? Is that you? What a great guy you are....taking such good care of us all.

LMAO!

baldeagle, I would agree as long as you add one more provision. If you show up at the emergency room, the victim of a gunshot wound received when someone tried to rob you, or any other reason, and do not have enough clothes to pay for your care, the hospital would be required to turn you away. That way the law of natural selection will make the United States a much smarter society.

I cannot wait for the campaign commercials for the fall elections to start. I believe the phrase is like shooting ducks in a barrel.

Then instead of just trying to scrap everything why not try to fix what you find broken. I'm a left leaner and I agree the way doctors abuse insurance weather it's private or government is unacceptable. See we agree on that right? I have had several chiropractors do the same thing you are talking about. One of them when I didn't have insurance charged me $50. When I had insurance he tried billing them for almost 5 times as much. Unacceptable! another doesn't charge me the co-pay (I really like that) but still Unacceptable! Let me put this in a analogy I like to use. Pretend government is your car. Most people need their cars for work and other needs right? Well lets say that car has a blown gasket and you are leaking oil and have to constantly topper off. What to do? Do you say F-it and get rid of the car? or do you do the reasonable thing and have it checked out and fixed? There is not need to scrap health care just because it has a broken gasket. Lets do the sensible thing and try to fix it. Otherwise we will be taking the bus :(

Except that as soon as you fix that car something else will break. All of the past repairs have made it shoddy. The new one will come with GPS, heated and cooled seats and stability control.

Bad anology. Who keeps cars forever?

Corey,

The Pubs will hate taking the bus,.......they are generally filled with poor people who don't own cars.

ThatsBS,

Only if you bought a foreign car.........those new American cars built by American companies are better than the foreign stuff, now if we can just get the Pubs back to being behind American workers we will be OK.

I just had a hysterectomy on October 24 of this year. The HOSPITAL alone charged my insurance company $54000 (2 nights stay)! The hospital accepted payment from the insurance in the amount of $4000. Same for all the surgeons - they all charged around $2000 but got paid only about $300... after paying $75/week for health insurance I had a $400/$800 deductible and Out of Pocket Maximum of $1500/5000 (the best I could get via my company)... I am about $100 from hitting the OPM and guess what!?!?!! I have a complication, which may require more surgery. Since they wont do the surgery in the next 2 days, I will have to start all over with deductibles and OPM in 2012... This is what I pay for???? and pay for... and pay for... and pay for. And I should be grateful I have insurance??? This is my 9th surgery in 15 years... It would be nice to not have to worry about how much it will cost on top of your illness. This country has the best healthcare in the world - IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. Not sure about you all, but I spend lots of time in the hospital & Doc's office and I NEVER see any Germans, Canadians, French or any other "foreigners" in the waiting rooms... where is the flood you speak of?

I just had a hysterectomy on October 24 of this year. The HOSPITAL alone charged my insurance company $54000 (2 nights stay)! The hospital accepted payment from the insurance in the amount of $4000. Same for all the surgeons - they all charged around $2000 but got paid only about $300... after paying $75/week for health insurance I had a $400/$800 deductible and Out of Pocket Maximum of $1500/5000 (the best I could get via my company)... I am about $100 from hitting the OPM and guess what!?!?!! I have a complication, which may require more surgery. Since they wont do the surgery in the next 2 days, I will have to start all over with deductibles and OPM in 2012... This is what I pay for???? and pay for... and pay for... and pay for. And I should be grateful I have insurance??? This is my 9th surgery in 15 years... It would be nice to not have to worry about how much it will cost on top of your illness. This country has the best healthcare in the world - IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. Not sure about you all, but I spend lots of time in the hospital & Doc's office and I NEVER see any Germans, Canadians, French or any other "foreigners" in the waiting rooms... where is the flood you speak of?

NJ

The flood they speak of is in there small minds. The imaginary Canadians that invade our hospitals are in their fantasies. It is like the rest of their drivel. It is imaginary. Oh! and Germany, I was in Hannover awhile back and when I was ill I got better treatment there than here. """"From a Pharmacist no less whithout having to see a doctor"""

I don't see anyone else mention a "flood", other than Kim. And no, there isn't a "flood of foreigners" in our hospital waiting rooms - the foreigners that come here, like Shiek Prince Abu-dabu-babu of Saudi Arabia, don't spend a minute in a waiting room, or filling out paper. They've already had an entire wing reserved, waiting the arrival of privately chartered medivac helicopter that brings them to already-waiting surgeons with olympic-athlete quality organs on ice ready to operate.

Kim hit the nail right on with "This country has the best healthcare in the world - IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT."

Likewise, I've found myself in a similar sort of perdicament - I had to visit the dentist, just like I do every year, but this particular visit was different. Aside from the standard-issue cleaning, there were a couple things noted: first, a filling that was several years old was in need of repair, and the neighboring tooth had a small cavity that was hard to get at because of the filling next door. Not a major issue, but...

After fixing the filling and filling the little cavity, I found my insurance had next to nothing left for the year a few days later when an accident damaged another tooth. X-rays were taken, and that finished off what was left of my insurance for the year. Not wanting a $600+ bill, I said, "What can I do to make sure this doesn't become a problem until January, when my insurance coverage resets?" Well, there wasn't a whole lot that could be done, and by January I was living with so much pain, due to an abcess that had formed due to the damage. Now I needed an $1100 root canal. My dental coverage maxed out at $1200 a year, so this was my year.

Due to the pain of the abcess, and the subsequent root canal, flossing around those teeth was a challenge on the best of days, and I wound up with a cavity next door, but to fix that would stick me with an overage charge I did not want, so it was another year until I could get that cavity fixed. By then, it was no longer a simple cavity, as it had formed between teeth, which meant drilling and filling two teeth, the affected one and the one next to it... except that one had a root canal and still no crown, as that was going to be an additional $400, so it would have to wait until next year again...

So three years, three visits, and still have the same problem: Insurance coverage that is crap.

Last year was a good year for me, and I found a cheaper dentist and had all my problems fixed and managed to keep it just under my max (thank you to the creative office manager at that office!).

@Navy:
Medical practices in other countries are different than ours, aren't they? I recall a similar sort of experience in Berlin many years before - and it was the pharmacist, who was also a retired doctor, who recommended something I'd not have even considered - or have recommended in the US to relieve the spastic muscle in my back: a foot massage and a good pair of shoes.

And I'm guessing you think the education system in this country has failed you too, huh.

No, just keep taxing those that go to school, work hard and make something of their lives. Why not just keep piling it on. Obama's newly created class warfare is his only chance of getting re-elected. Pitting the demonized 1%ers against the 99%ers. What a joke he is. The 1% pay the most in taxes, run companies, pay billions in payroll tax, employees pay tax, buy houses, cars, the horrible 1%ers provide benefits to their employees, and on and on. But they, according to our President, should carry more and more of his failed policies burdens. Yet, he doesn't mind taking in millions from his bundlers who in turn are all 1%ers.

Henry, you're one of those people that the rest of us pay for with our insurance. Do you have auto insurance? I know what you'll say. You'll say that we choose whether or not we drive.

While we don't choose to get sick, it happens. And if you don't have insurance and it gets written off, then therest of us pay for it.

Class warfare has been going on in this country's modern history since Reagan. Anyone who has not seen the widening gap between the haves and have-nots has not been paying attention. People are really just paying attention now because the federal dollars being spent to appease the masses in this country for 20 years went instead to pay for wars in foreign countries for the last 10. I don't think the creation of a permanent underclass in this country was an accident. It is a required element of supply side economics which essentially says that consumers will not dictate to business what they want; business will dictate to consumers what they can have.

Anyone who thinks we have a free market missed the "too big to fail" bailouts of 2008.

People who can not afford private health insurance and have no resources will be subsidized by this system. If you are going to throw a nutty about the individual mandate, which is only a portion of this legislation, then at least follow it through to the end.

I hope all of you people that are complaining about mandatory health coverage realize that the mandate was orchestrated by the insurance industry's lobbyists.......not the president. He was forced to comply or face overwhelming opposition. Sure, let's let corporations make all of the rules. They care about us, don't they?

Well said. He is definitely in the pockets of lobbyists and unions.

Gee Henry: well I've got news for you..you're going to be paying a fine if you want to be a deadbeat with no insurance because us working folks are sick to death of paying for you whiners. Brewzky: he's in the pocket us us real Americans...right where he should be.

You are an idiot car insurance is required for everyone on the road for obvious reasons if we do the same for health ins. it will work & will benefit everyone our current system w/45 milllion unable to get prevenitive care and go to the emergency room after they are sick 30,000 of these die every year

henry, you should have stayed awake in english class. You should learn how to spell before attempting to sound smart....

Well, you kinda have to have a brain to understand why it's needed. Many people here just blindly lump everything together as Socialism because they're just plain stupid. Hopefully they are in the small minorority....

tom, lets elect Democrats and let them finish the job. The insurance companies were against single payer.

brewzky, what are the rich going to do when the country falls apart. Don't you think it would be in their interest to pay a little more to keep the gravy train rolling. Someone has to pay. I don't really care who it is, but it stands to reason that those with the most to lose, should pay the most. Do you really think a single mother scrapping by on 20,000 dollars a year is going to worry about the country falling into total anarchy or has the money to stop it. I doubt it.

agree 100 percent...

What you people are missing is that Newt is a Smokescreen to keep the moderates from paying much attention to Romney at the moment. The GOP knows Newt can't beat Obama and Newt knows he's not going to be the nominee. Newt was out selling books and making money behind being a "candidate" and the field was so weak he got a boost. Great he thought. Make more money riding the wave. And the GOP gets to keep the furor about Romney under wraps a good while longer. Romney will be the nominee just like the party structure wants. The people have no choice but to vote for who is put in front of them. I don't think Romney can beat Obama but he might. No other GOP running can. Newt is just making bucks and grinning all the way to the bank.

You also need to be aware of what is happening at the state level where the Koch bros are throwing millions at getting their 'person of interest' into power - from governor to state representatives. With control of the states, the Koch bros could care less about who's in the White House. Listen carefully to all the state's rights talk being advocated. Don't spend too much time watching the big top when what's happening in the sideshows is the real game plan.

Robert

Generally agree with you. I don't think ever thought he would be a serious contender. He is auditioning for a FOX gig. He is a kibitzer, not a leader and he knows it.

I am sceptical that it is a conspiracy organized by the GOP establishment.

SO now the socialist, communist, anti business, not a legal US citizen, Healthcare reform devil concocted/ falsified/ doctored/ created/ etc... a memo with Newt's signature (identity theft) that said Romney's plan was awesome? What back country world are you from you idiot!

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Ted, you've got a major problem, you came to this fight armed and extremely stupid. talk to us when you arrive at the point where something universally important, like universal health care, which no one has ever made a smart argument against I might add, is not the enemy of REAL Americans. And please, this Obama bashing is getting a bit long in the tooth. So there, put this in your birther pipe and draw slowly.

Go back to bed Ted. No one is listening to you.

Ted, Ted, Ted,

Take your meds and relax. That's it now breathe in...hold it... and now let it out slowly.....Now, isn't that all better?

Ted From Arizona

I drive thru AZ (with passport at the ready) a couple of times a year and sometimes wonder what type of person lives in those single-wides scattered on their 10 acres of sand and scrub with only the whistling of the wind to keep them company.

I read your post and now I know.

Kinda lonely out there yeah?

You can spin it anyway you like but the largest federal agency is, and will be, the DOD!

Uh mel...mr. genius...there is no central payer, remember? I hate to ruin your grassy knoll ranting moment against everything supposedly liberal here...but the new health care bill doesn't create any GOVERNMENT health care... there's nothing diluted here..you are free to use the same insurer you've always had diluting nothing. Come on, keep up. You can come up with a rant better than that one.

Mel

Potentially interesting but incomprehensible. Please name names so the slower witted of us can follow your argument.

Yes I heard that while on vacation in her $10,000.00 A NIGHT Four Seasons hotel room, Nancy Pelosi is sending out Holiday Greetings to her constituents telling them how good it is to be back with her feet on the ground reviving her sense of how tough it is to be one of the *little guys*.

And Obama is roughing it too for 4 million. You poor people have it so rough I can see how you believe these politicans * know what you're going through*.

3rdpartyadvocate, you just babble don't you. Is there ever any truth in anything you say?