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Thanks to Steeler Fan for the question!
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Mitt's problem is that so much of the republican base does not see him as being any better than Obama. Enough will drift to the libertarians and other third parties and conservative independents that Mitt will be effectively Naderized.
Your right Chucky, they don't. he declared himself as a "Progressive" during his campaign for governor.
His quote was that people shouldn't be afraid to vote for me because I'm a progressive.
The conservative base has never forgiven him for that, and never will. He might as well go join the democrats because he will never be elected again as a republican.
Churchill, when criticized about sending aid to the monster Stalin remarked ...
(For Feisty ..... that means Hitler was such an existential threat to the UK, he would side with the devil to defeat Hitler)
Obama promised to transform it .... and has. Yet and despite the fact that we are now saddled with .....
Lowest employment since the 80's.
Lowest property ownership since the 60's.
Highest deficit to GDP since the 40's.
Worst long term unemployment since the 30's.
Highest government dependency rate of all time.
Biggest debt in the history of the mankind.
.... it has only been set up for the big change ...... the changes when Obamacare, Dodd-Frank and the 4,200 (and growing) list of new regulations take effect. Estimates of 800,000 jobs lost to Obamacare. Loss of 1.2 million jobs lost to Cross-State alone. Loss of 2.9 million jobs to Dodd-Frank. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Record number of homeless children, record number of Americans on food stamps .... it just keeps getting worse .....
Obama is an existential threat to America.
The base understands this.
The base will vote for Romney.
The base will cut its right arm off to defeat Obama in an effort to save the country.
Mitt not being any better than Obama?
The devil you say?
Of course the base will.
And the bad news for the MSNBC crowd is so too will the 80% plus that think the country is on the wrong track.
Or do you all really think they will say, "sure the country is on the wrong track, but Obama is a swell guy."
Sure they will.
Chucky, of course many, many Americans will stick with Romney should he get the nod. It looks like he will but at this point we'll go with any candidate that opposes Obama! No one these days wants another 4 years of a liberal agenda that just doesn't work in this economy. Raise taxes to pay for unnecessary social programs no way! Obamacare... absolutely no way! Anti-business regulations... no way! Big government.... no way!
Believe me the Republican base sees Mitt as a much better solution than Obama!
I know you guys are true believers, I was one once also. I'm here to tell ya, as a solid conservative, Mittney will never be president of the United States as a republican.
The president beats all challengers in 15 of 16 polls according to RCP, Romney comes the closest to him but falls short as of yesterdays polls, if they would factor in the votes Ron Paul will peel off even if he does not get the nod I don't think we will have a new president. The base may accept Romney but Ron supporters probably will not, and Ron Paul has been repeatedly asked if he will run as an independent and he continues to make it clear he plans on keeping that option open. If he runs as a third party candidate the republican base will have to hate Obama enough to vote for him or the republican candidate will split the vote with Paul and Obama will no doubt win.
@Spanks Perhaps those 80% think it's going in the wrong direction because of your ilk, the repubs.
Forrest,
You know I've said it many times now, the conservatives had better get behind Dr Paul, if they don't I think Obama will have a second term.
Yes you did Egilman, long before he became the offcial leader in Iowa, he is gaining support not losing support, at the very least Paul is going to be a fly in the republican ointment.
Truely frightening statistics, I agree.
But who should we really blame? President Obama's approval statistics are three times as high as Congress - hovering just above single digits now. The Party of No is blocking everything in the Senate with 40% and running the House in a way that Herbert Hoover would like. If not for the gridlock being imposed by the Tea Party Congress, President Obama would actually be able to implement his agenda and then you could make a fair comparison. As it is, The Party of No has simply managed to extend the Bush tragedy for another three years.
The way out of this mess is to give President Obama a Congress that he can work with and make progress. The one there now only cares about one thing: regaining power at absolutely any cost to the nation. It's like they're holding a gun to the head of America: "Give us what we want or the people will keep suffering!" They're nuts! They'll do it.
Obama 2012
If he wasn't Mormon, Yes. It's sad that the Gop talk like they care about religion, but it's only the Jewish
and the christian faith they really care about.
Teapublicans care about war mongering and using Israel as the reason, but they are Evangelical Christian bigots otherwise. Why Mormons, or minorities, or women, even gays--and heck the middle class--are still in the GOP/Tea Party, I'll never understand.
aww look TruePatriot doesn't understand something.
How....surprising.
Aww looks like the punk has nothing of substance to contribute so makes an ad hominem attack, how surprising.
How funny TruePatriot that you have nothing but a resort to name calling.
So very predictable. But did you have to copy me? Come on, you are better than that. Right?
Way to go my man. Never failing to disappoint, and amuse, all at the same time.
At least I don't vote for my own post with other log-ins. Step off loser.
[How funny TruePatriot that you have nothing but a resort to name calling.]
Spanky, you deserved the jabs by TruePatriot.
Your post:
Totally uncalled for, don't you think? You know it was.
The only conclusion is that you must love the attention and/or abuse.
Oh, and Happy Kwaanza to you and your family.
The way I see it ...
TruePatriot posted an actual comment ...
Spanky responded with mindless name calling.
(If I was TruePatriot, I wouldn't have dignified Spanky's remarks with anything ... but that's a personal choice. Wasn't Spanky a child movie star in the Hoover administration?)
porter - could you please detail with block quotes and post numbers how you arrived at your post 2,7
Depends on what Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have to say...that's who gives the GOP its marching orders.
There is a risk for Romney here. One of John McCain's biggest errors in his campaign (at least among the errors not named Palin) was that he ran backwards. Instead of running to the base for the primary, then appealing to the center in the general, McCain won the primary mainly because he was perceived as the most plausible anti-Bush who was still palatable to the party establishment, but then spent the entire general election trying to win over the conservative base, alienating everyone else in the process.
I think Romney's smarter and slicker than that, but if the hard right doesn't fall in line and forces him to play to the extreme for the support of the base, then that only hurts their agenda to beat Obama.
Romney is a great candidate and will mop Obama on any debate. Romney is only candidate (R) or Obama who understands capitalism and global markets. We've seen what former Gov NJ Corzine (D) knows about the economy & investing MF Global bankruptacy and per Biden he was the first person they called. LOL Then we've seen CEO Obama with Govt Motors (GM) Volt and of course we can't forget Solyndra. Time to put the adults back in the White House who actually understand how to create jobs vs. kill them
Will the Republican base support Romney, I believe they will they might hold their nose when voting but will vote to rid the country of Obama. What Romney might loose in the so called "family values" republicans he will make up for in Independents.
Anyone thinking about voting for Obama should ask themselves this question: " Am I better off now than when Obama was sworn in as President," if you can say Yes then vote for Obama, if no then only an idiot would vote for Obama again.
The polls are quite clear that the majority of Americans don't like the direction the country is going! That number seems to rise every time it's taken. The reason is clearly the current administration whose laid back style is no longer looked at as being cool! If it ever was! Clearly we want change, and quickly! Obama was elected with good intentions, but he just hasn't delivered. That's a fact!
He passed on the debt/deficit issue a few months ago, deferring that job to a 'super committee' split equally between fiscal Republicans and liberal Democrats.... a solution destined for failure. We now need and want a new president who can make tough decisions and not pass the buck! That guy will be the next president!
Excuse my interruption of the right-wing hate fest here, but we don't allow lies in FR. Aside from the lie that it was the president who passed on the debt deal (not--that was Boehner who has been unable to lead for a long time now, including today), and when in fact it was the committee that asked the president not to become involved...
Those who "don't like the direction the country is going" means little unless you drill down and ask how so. Then we learn many progressives don't like health care reform because it wasn't single payer, or are unhappy with the president because he caved to Teapublicans on the Bush tax cuts, or are disgusted by GOP/TP obstructionism, and so forth.
If you're going to spew this garbage you better be able to back it up with "clear" evidence, data, facts, and the truth. All the other polls right now show low approval of the Tea Party, and lower approval of Republicans compared to Democrats (even in regard to taxes), and show rising approval of the president. At any time the county is split 50/50, so with all this in mind, how is it then that 80% are unhappy with the president and Dems? If anything is in trouble, it's the Republican brand.
We now return to "Would the base rally around Romney?"...
Seldom Seen Sam - does that moniker infer that you also seldom see the polls? Check out Real Clear Politics and you'll see that the President's numbers are actually on the rise.
Ursula, perhaps you need glasses, Sam was talking about completely different poll, lol!
And speaking of obama's slight and temporary upturn in his personal ratings..... most credit that to the holiday season, not the fact that the public actually thinks there's been an improvement in his performance.... that criteria continues to suck!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html
These are improving as well...
ursula - most polls have a margin of error of +/- 3%.
With regards to improving, how so when the numbers are within the margin of error.
I think if you look at 4Q 2010 and compare it with 4Q 2011 more people think we are heading in the wrong direction. I guess that can be seen as an improvement if you want to bet against America.
True...ROTFLMAO!! You present clear evidence? You present generalities and personal opinion only.
WTF does drilling down have to do with a general consensus on confidence that the country is heading in the right direction? The question is a measure of the respondents confidence in where America is heading regardless of specific concerns.
Thanks for maintaining your penchant for straw man arguments...
Republican's need to remember the old saying ( watch what you wish for you might just get it ). They want deficit reduction, come January 1 2013 they will get $6.2 trillion worth of cuts. $1 trillion dollars they agreed on just to raise the debt. ceiling. The $1.2 trillion in automatic cuts the super committee couldn't agree on ($600 billion in defense cuts and $600 billion in non-discretionary spending cuts ) and the $4 trillion in Bush tax cuts that expire on that same day. That all totals to $6.2 trillion and President Obama doesn't have to do anything but sit back and watch them go in to effect. Obama played the Republican's like a real pro and they didn't even see it coming.
All that revenue and still it won't fix the debt.
BTW you do realize that the numbers you give are computed total over 10 years and obama has already said that he won't allow the tax cuts for the 98% to expire jan 2013.
I will vote for the dog catcher if he can beat "the fourth best president".
Yea, "we don't allow lies here on first read"...
Dude, it's so deep in here... you need to wear boots just to read this stuff!!
Now back to your regularly scheduled name calling, lying and general spewing of bs!!
Thanks for answering my question, Mark & Domenico, and happy holidays to you both. I know that 2012 will be an exciting year for you professionally and I hope it is wonderful personally, too.
However much we Obama supporters might wish for the Republican base to stay home, I suspect they will hold their noses and vote for whoever their candidate is.
Seems to me Gov Romney would have a tricky problem if he gains the nomination--to try and convince the right wing of his party that he is "their man" while on the other hand, trying to show independents who may not be overly pleased with Pres Obama's performance that he is progressive enough to merit their vote.
Personally, I think Gov Romney would probably be the best choice the Republicans could make to try and defeat President Obama. I'm not sure that the Democrats are giving enough attention to those voters who nominally call themselves Democrats, and those who are Independents, who really are not happy with the President's leadership (or lack thereof.) I live in a small town and the dissatisfaction with his performance is a real issue.
Can't help wondering how a ticket of Romney and Gen Colin Powell would fare, if the general could be convinced to run for VP.
Colin Powell? Colin Powell!!??
He's the guy who embarrassed us in front of the whole world telling lies at the UN!
There was a time when I thought Colin Powell was a standup sort of guy. He was there in the backoffice when Stormin' Norman won the First Gulf War. But then he showed himself to be a doormat for Bush's lies.
Sorry ... No way.