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House Republicans moved Tuesday to reject a Senate-passed tax cut extension, hardening a standoff over whether to extend an expiring payroll tax cut and clouding the prospects for a clear resolution to prevent a tax hike on Jan. 1.
The House passed a measure that served the twin purposes of implicitly rejecting the Senate's bipartisan legislation extending an expiring payroll tax cut for two months, while volleying House Republicans' own proposal back to the Senate, where Democrats are in the majority.
Some 229 House members, all Republicans, voted to send the payroll tax cut to conference, the formal (and less commonly used) process to resolve legislative differences with the Senate. Seven Republicans joined 186 Democrats in opposition to this plan.
President Obama, in a surprise appearance at the White House briefing, condemned Republicans for playing politics with the vote, and urged Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and House Republicans to defuse "brinksmanship" and pass the two-month deal.
"Let's be clear: Right now, the bipartisan compromise that was reached on Saturday is the only viable way to prevent a tax hike on Jan. 1," he said.
The legislative maneuver allowed Republicans to avoid having to specifically vote against the Senate's two-month tax cut, while still voicing their opposition to the deal.
It also solidifies a standoff with Senate Democrats about how to resolve the payroll tax issue by Dec. 31, when the yearlong tax holiday is set to expire. Democrats have said they would refuse to appoint conferees to help resolve the dispute, and would instead insist on House Republicans to relent, and approve the two-month-long cut.
"I think the next step is clear: President Obama needs to call on Senate Democrats to go back into session, move to go to conference, and sit down and resolve this bill as soon as possible," Boehner said at a brief press conference at the Capitol, shortly after Obama delivered his remarks.
Both sides are directly pressuring the other to act first.
"The bill is back in the Senate, so if Harry Reid says he's not going to appoint conferees ... he's going to have to answer to the American people," House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) said on MSNBC following the vote.
Democrats seem content, though, to sit back and wait for House Republicans to blink first.
"Pressure every day is mounting on Republicans," Senate Democrats' messaging chief, Sen. Charles Schumer (NY), said Tuesday morning on MSNBC's Daily Rundown. "All you have to do is let the pressure mount, day in day out. And they will come back and support the two month [extension]."
GOP Sen. Scott Brown (MA), who was one of the first Republicans to openly criticize this week's actions in the House, said he was angered by Tuesday's House vote.
"It angers me that House Republicans would rather continue playing politics than find solutions," Brown said in a statement. "Their actions will hurt American families and be detrimental to our fragile economy."
Lawmakers will spend the afternoon debating and voting on motions to instruct House members on those theoretical deliberations with the Senate. This measure would essentially detail just what Republicans are seeking as an output of negotiations. (In this case, Republicans insist that the extension last a whole calendar year.)
After those votes, though, most lawmakers are expected to head back to their districts in observance of this week's holidays, leaving work to conferees. Boehner said the negotiators he had named to hammer out a deal would remain in Washington, as would members of the GOP leadership. He suggested, though, that the rest of the Republicans would go home.
Obama has postponed his own vacation to handle the payroll tax dispute, and made a personal plea to Boehner to help navigate the crisis. Boehner, when asked about that appeal, shot back: "I need the president to help out!"
NBC's Frank Thorp contributed to this report.
House Speaker John Boehner says, "I need the president to help," during a news conference where he and the Republican leadership gathered to urge Democrats to join Republicans in passing a one year extended payroll tax bill.
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Hold firm Democrats!!!
America is sick & tired of the 'reindeer' games the right is playing!
Any idea why President Obama's poll numbers are on the rise?
You can only take so many hostages before it becomes ineffective!
The American people are finally waking up to the fact that no matter what, the right will NOT do or give any breaks to the poor and middle class. All because of their irrational hatred of the man in the White House. Shame on them. God pity us.
Perhaps more important to the battle over the payroll tax cut, Obama has regained an advantage over Republicans in Congress when it comes to ‘protecting the middle class.’ In the new poll, 50% say they trust Obama on this issue, compared with 35% who choose the GOP.
It could never be clearer why the Congress has a new record low 11% approval in the recent Gallup Poll.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/151628/Congress-Ends-2011-Record-Low-Approval.aspx
Tax cut? Let's tack on an oil pipeline. These people are like 4 year olds that think they never get their way or have enough. Talk about selling out to special interests.
Thanks Dennis, for providing those numbers! ☺
I've always been amazed at the Republican Parties collective ability to push a message and spin. They are much better at it then Democrats. But I don't see anyway Republicans can spin their refusal to extend the payroll tax cut.
If the problem is the funding mechanism Democrats can trot out dozens of Republican quotes along the lines of, "Tax cuts NEVER have to be paid for." These aren't old quotes either.
If the problem is the short duration Democrats can point out that the two month extension is meant to allow more time to generate a full year extension. Republican voters don't do well with nuance, but this is well within even Republicans ability to understand.
If the problem is that it takes funds away from social security, well, that is true but that never stopped Republicans before. They've been dipping into the Social Security Trust Fund for decades, that is why Al Gore came up with the "lock box" idea Republicans used to mock Gore for.
This issue is a loser for Republicans, and they know it.
GOP = dishonorable.
No do you?
How can repubs vote against a tax cut bill even if for two months allowing a better deal be hashed?
Even when it more than pays for itself in cuts and mortgage fees repubs even added so that it actually decreases the deficit by 33billion (and offsets the social security revenue)?
Even after it drops the 0.75% taxes on 0.1% of the top earners (many of who got the bailouts anyway and have seen incomes go up through the past decade and through the near depression)?
Even after it adds the Oil industry pipeline initiative?
don't get upset, does anyone think our Congress is going to stay in session over Christmas's, it is called gamesmanship; WHERE THE HELL , was the outrage when they passed the new law, allowing American citizens to be imprisoned for life without a trial and only on suspicion of being against the peace and security of the Government of the United States; where was the outrage yesterday when Obama,a said he will sigh this into law, it is like a pickpocket, get your attention elsewhere while they pick you clean ., wake up folks, we are in very deep trouble.
"Tax cut? Let's tack on an oil pipeline..."
Yeah, boy. THEN accuse the OTHER side of 'playing politics'! Hell, that's about as good as Newt saying the Supreme Court judges are 'activist', when the damned place is stacked 5 to 4 Conservative, and gave us 'Citizens United.
What a bunch of holes of the bung variety.
Vote the lowlife dirtbags out ( "GOP Tea-Retards" ) Bonehead is a loser !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More gamesmanship from the Chuckie Schumer playbook !
A two-month extension, as proposed by Harry Reid, serves only to briefly kick the can down the road and IS NOT an earnest attempt by Democrats to resolve their differences. Democrats are only concerned with pinning the blame on Republicans in hopes it will salvage their elections in November.
What is consistently disgusting, however, is how the lamestream media continues to slant the story on their behalf ! Why do you only offer a "band-aid" solution Mr. Reid ? Why is Mr. Schumer only concerned with the "pressure" it will bring on his opposition ??
Politics is being played by Harry and Chuckie and the gamesmanship is getting old ! No long-term agreement from the Senate !!
Spin all you want, the House left us out to dry. We know they did not want this in the first place without the Pipeline deal. We know that once the pipeline deal was inserted Boehner said is was a good deal, we know Boehner got blind sided by the GOP/TP after having said all of that. We KNOW WHO AND WHAT THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN SINCE 2010. The Obstructionists! The Senate Votes 89-11 for the extension yet the GOP led House can't get it together???
I am pulling my frigging hair out. What is wrong with these SOBs?
Job approval now in the negative.
Yep..it's crunch time !! The GOP/tp is like a BIG BOIL and it has been just waitng to be LANCED.....a little lunchtime conversation....
The sad part is, you had Dems and Republicans in the Senate actually work together to get this two month compromise with a vast majority voting for it only to have the tea party extremists step in and screw things up.
Pitiful state of affairs.
What kind of fools would cut the only funding source for an already failing Social Security Fund? But, just wait; when the Fund goes broke, it'll be the GOP's fault, correct, lefties?
SB,
Perhaps you can enlighten us all and explain why it makes any sense whatsoever to have a two month extension......
I read all the comments here, and went back to articles at all the news agencies. I am left with one observation and one question. As always, please help me...
The Republicans, as always, are proposing a solution for businesses. I saw that the major payroll software companies and the payroll services state they cannot produce the necessary changes for such a short period. The changes would create too much unknown and cause unnecessary expenses.
Second, I did read at most networks, that the President clearly stated this past Saturday that he wanted the one year extension, not a short term solution.
So... what is wrong with a one year tax reduction (lowering the revenues to the Social Security Fund)?
Beyond the Payroll Tax, the remainder components are political in nature - and both sides need to give a little. The pipeline, which will travel a well worn path by many other pipelines, should be allowed to happen for the couple year construction jobs financed by the private sector. Which is what we need. The extension of Unemployment is proposed to go to the end of 2011 by the Republicans. That works for me, but any comment to the otherwise has to be a political statement. And the support for the doctors who will get reduction is reimbursements is a no brainier.
Thus, we are left with amazing statements from individuals who will take whatever side their politics stand and not support what is good (and actually too expensive for our country), and move forward.
OK what part of this are you lame duck dems not understanding, the GOP wants to take your tax break away...political bull@!$%#...GOP provided a paid for plan for a YEAR a whole freakin YEAR!!! to the Senate but the evil troll reid said no....
BLAME that little F***KER not the GOP... it amazes me how freakin stupid americans have become....not even 1 in 10 has read the Constitution...no wonder china is passing us by, they are at least educated....
The Reps. want to make the deduction extend for a FULL YEAR, not the paltry 2 months that Obama is demanding. How can anyone NOT see that if Congress goes along with Obama the deduction will END after just 2 months. Obama doesn't want to address the pipeline issue until after the election. If he goes with it, the tree huggers will be mad and he'll risk losing their votes. If he goes against it, the Unions will be mad and he'll risk losing their votes.....so he just avoids any action on it until he's collected their votes. He doesn't care about the jobs or the environment...just whatever will benefit him. The pipeline will create many jobs for the MIDDLE CLASS. Everything with Obama is just "put a band aid on it" like extend it two lousy months, until he sees how it effects HIS ELECTION!
Just what we need. Another super committee.
If these idiots were debating what time to have lunch the Dems would say 12:00 the GOP would filibuster and nobody would eat.
Jim-1455 Apparently you have trouble reading!
1 This bill passed by a large majority in the Senate with a significant number of Republican votes.
2, Speaker Boubhtout actually supported it, until the same idiots who so recently attempted to turn us int a Banana Republic threatened him.
3. The gutless Bonehead and co. won't even bring it to a real vote since they know either
A. They will actually look like the losers and liars they are by opposing a tax cut for the REAL people of America
or
B. It would actually pass as they Bonehead doesn't have the votes to stop it.
GOP House, still the party of NO!
How does a two month extension serve anybody? If Republicans want a full year and Democrats want a full year, then without adding on extra B.S. like the pipeline, etc., just pass the freakin bill on its own merit and be done with it.
As usual, they can argue over how to pay for it later.
I can't wait until Novermber when we can vote them ALL out and bring in some fresh blood that hasn't signed any pledge with any lobbyist organization. They work for us, dammit!!
Saying "NO" to ongoing, fiscally irresponsible, stop-gap, temporary solutions ... IS A GOOD THING !
Real solutions require real leadership from the Senate and Reid is merely Obama's pawn.
The two month extension makes sense, JC, because it's not loaded with poison pills for either party and allows time to negotiate the full year extension without the impending threat of a deadline. Both Democrats and Republicans, by an 89-10 vote in the Senate, agree with this.
Ulitmately this is the GOP protecting the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. They have no issues wanting tax cuts for the wealthy, but try and extend them for the people that really need them?! No frakking way. Someone has to pay for their caviar.
I see that you pay no attention to what's going on in Politics until you need to defend the antics of the Republican party's radicals.
The ONLY reasons a 2 month extension was passed by the Senate:
So in other words EVERYONE except the radicals in the house knows that the 2 month bill is a stop gap to prevent coming negative economic impact while they work out the long term solution. It's not anywhere near perfect, but it's better than walking away with nothing.
And here the radicals in the House are trying to play God once again - telling us that they know better than everyone else how only thier way can fix anything.
And alot of the right wing is swallowing that stupidity without even the slightest thought.
Pathetic.
Where is the outrage that the idiots in the Senate only passed a 60 day extension. If they passed a full year extension, this would be over. Does anyone think anything will change in 60 days. What the Senate passed was worthless. It's funny that no one mentions that a 60 day change to the tax code cannot be implemented anyway.
We should all be outraged at ALL of them.
FIRE all the incumbants from Obama on down. They are all worthless.
Ha Obama is already on TV beating the republicans over their heads with their own stupidity, his numbers will go up, what a nice Christmas gift from the House Republicans, and I did not think they liked him, I was wrong, they really came through and stuffed his Political Christmas Stocking, I think Boehner is Obama's Secret Santa!
saxon 1.9
Please tell me where I can find that article. A friend won't believe me and I can't find it.
So now the Republicans are evil SOB's because they're holding out for the same thing that Obama wanted in the first place? A year long extension. So if you’re whining about the republicans here you’re basically admitting you’re a partisan hack who everyone should just ignore.
I hate revisionist history so let me stop the enablers before they shoot off their fingers. It was the Democrats that originally wanted a Year! The GOP compromised to the 2 month extension. McConnel checked in with Boehner first. Boehner was all in until his party notified him that the constituents back home were having a fit with the short year. They know the issue would come back to haunt them when in February it would once again be on Message for the White House to extend the Payroll tax which is not a topic favored in an election year.
My Take:
The GOP finally out tricked themselves. You were all on the same pages but by trying to counter everything Obama does (if he's for it then we are against it) they actually walked over the cliff. They own this blunder. Take your lumps and learn from it...
Justsaying,
It's Senate Bill 1867. Remove the two spaces and paste the link.
http:// www. tcpalm.com/news/2011/dec/20/letter-provisions-in-defense-bill-endanger/
Forrest,
How are you to day? Getting better I hope. The stupidity you talk about is the stupidity of all the politicians, this is nothing but a political "I got you moment" for Obama. The liberals can try and saddle the republicans with this, however it should be blaming the Senate for refusing to give Obama what he wanted in the first place, which was a one year extension of the temporary payroll tax reduction. Further Obama and Harry Reid must realize that they do not get everything they want, there are way to many lefties posting on these threads that are willing to bend over backward, regardless the cost, to give Obama what he wants.
The Senate is just kicking the can down the road and they know it. If you want a one year extension then pass the damn thing and quit playing games. If the democrats were serious, they would ask that tax rates for those making under $110K be reduced, which would put more money in peoples pockets that the payroll tax reduction that takes from Social Security. There is no proof that the payroll tax reduction has helped the economy or created jobs but is being paid for with deficit spending. The democrats kept complaining that letting the Bush tax cuts expire was not a tax increase, since it was only a 10 year temporary reduction, so why is this payroll tax reduction considered a "tax increase", when in fact it goes back to the original rate at the end of this year?
I'm way past the issue of the bill itself, instead more astonished by the antics of the House Republicans who once again, at the 11th hour, act stupid.
If I were a Senate leader, I'd simply go about my business. No one likes being yanked around by a group of people whose prime purpose is making themselves look good and others look worse. What do these people care about the country? They have jobs, ample salaries, benefits, perks & bribes to sustain them.
Voting for any of these people again, Republican or Democrat, is a bad idea. Find alternatives who aren't going to accept bribes and who believe they're there to represent human people, not corporations.
The Senate has declared itself to be recess. Under Senate rules, they cannot extend or go back into session, without a yes vote from all 100 sitting senators. Most Senators, both democrat and republican, have said that they not vote to go back into session. These Senators can meet with members of the house, to come to some kind of compromise, but will not be able to vote on any bills until the next legislative session.
I'm watching republicans on every political channel, stumbling and stamering to try and explain themselves and somehow make this Obama's fault because he did not hold their hands and lead them. The house republicans shot themselves in the foot now they want to blame everyone but themselves, they are even using the excuse that Obama wanted a one year extension, and they really want to give him that, oh yeah we all know how much they want to please the president, and give him what he wants. Ha they are pathetic, hanging from their own rope, they wrapped around their own necks. Say what you want about Nancy but she never made a fool of herself or let her party make a fool of her as Boehner has of himself. Ha you really think Harry will be in a hurry to end this for republicans, I sure would not, they started I would leave them to finish it, they own it lock stock and barrell. Wow I just saw Boehner trying to explain this he looks like he has sh!t right up in his neck as tried to talk, swallow hard John you can get through this buddy, keep your cell phone on in case Harry calls. Ho Ho Ho Merry Christmas!
Hooray for President Obama, hold fast, you have the House where you want them on the Payroll Tax Bill. Just watched John Boehner try to explain things away, he stands in front of a lectern that reads 'Jobs.GOP.gov!!! He looked like he was in need of a little libation.
Hooray for MSNBC's Tamron Hall, who gave Rep.Jack Kingston, Ga. (a far right winger if there ever was one) a good argument on his claims that the House republicans are doing the right thing. Ha! you can tell they have lost this round, as their rhetoric is up several decibels and as usual full of lies and crap.
Hypocrisy thy name is republican.
What does the President need to win the election? Economic improvement and An obstructionist Republican Congress? What are the numbers on today's stock market? Who is blocking a softball compromise? Merry Christmas Mr President!
Former Marine... (thank you for your service. I lost my marine son).
My comments? - yep, from INSIDE the beltway. I have spent a long time trying to be neutral, but it is becoming difficult with no solution, just political comments from both sides. I read all news services to see who can follow some of the real items here. MSNBC does not and probably never will. It is difficult to be neutral reading the comments at this page. Some are so far from any realty.
This bill for example. The real challenge inside the meetings is the unemployment and how to pay for it. Is that the story at MSNBC - NO. The Senate felt that a solution of two months without anything else is about as clear a message of putting off a decision as there can be. It is wrong. The House is holding for each of their requirements, including the much needed pipeline component. They are wrong.
The House not going along with Senate Republicans? - the final result was not what the House was thought was agreed. Two months were originally OK, if the other components were included. Was that clear in this article? The Senate took an easy way out of the process (and yes, so they could go home).
So, Marine, there is no solution today and there will be no solution in two months. There will be some sort of an emergency action taken that lts both sides walk away from this vote claiming they are the winner - when there will actually be no decision.
And Marine, this is the fact.
justsaying12...; just google it on line, there are over a dozen articles, last one was yesterday , when Obama said he will sign it, scary times we are living in.
Obama's disapproval rating is on the rise. Is that what you are talking about Fiesty?
50 percent of Americans think he is doing a poor job, doesn't say much for his reelection prospects.
I'm looking forward to seeing John Boehner and the Republican Tea Party obstructionist's cans getting kicked down the road. When Walker gets recalled, it will be the beginning of the end for ALL Tea Party Republicans and our long, national nightmare will be over - just like when the McCarthy era came to a crashing conclusion in the 1950's.
Republicans are "hardening" their position. Oops. Wait. Never mind. That's just their arteries.
Isn't it stupid to even have a reduction of the contributions to SS, when the SS trust fund is in dire straits? Mmakes little sense extend it. Obama 's administration cut the SS contribution, because he knew Obamabots wouldn't understand what he was doing. The cut should never have happened to SS, maybe some of the stimulus of hundreds of billions should have been the source for giving a tax break to Americans.
(Somehow this got posted to the wrong place, it should go under comment 2)
Sorry for the loss of your son, Occam. Also, great post, Former Marine.
Both parties did want a year extension the PROBLEM is that republicans refused to pay for it by raising the tax rate on people earning over 1 million/year by a teeny, tiny fraction of a percent, instead they wanted the brunt to fall on the middle class AND tie a controversial pipeline to the bill. Republicans are the ones holding their breath until they get EVERYTHING they want, and it ain't gonna happen because we won't stand for it. The middle class is tired of getting screwed while the teapubs protect the 1% NO MATTER WHAT. And make no mistake, republicans WILL get the blame for this. Thanks for the Christmas present, guys!
Sarge I had a second treatment of my first six week series just this morning, thank you for asking. The democrats started out asking for a one year extension however the deal struck by the senate was reduced to a two month extension, it was passed overwhelmingly and McConnell obviously believed Boehner's house was on board Harry knew the democrats in the House were willing to pass it and renegotiate further before the two months expired. This is entirely on house republicans, and for that matter one year is tempory so what is the big deal, they deserve all the political heat they get, they made a political calculation and cut it a little too close the holidays and I don't believe the senate is coming back to rescue them from themselves. A good soldier as yourself would never leave a man stranded, but these politicians most certainly will, lets just see who rushes back to DC first Mitch or Harry, my guess is neither, they have left the combat zone and are on R&R for the rest of the year. No honor among thieves right Sarge, you have a great Christmas and holiday season sir.
Democrats in senate are a shame, kicking the can down the road and packing-up to go home for Christmas is not the right way to do business. Obama is demanding 1 year extension and Democrats in Senate only pass a bill for 2 months, Reid is a disaster and he must accept that Democrat lose the house because of them. While Obama continue blaming Republicans in congress and the rating approval for congress is sinking , his job approval goes down as well , not only that 2/3 of the people agree that Obama is taking us into the wrong direction. Is time for Demograts whose party is hijacked by radical leftist stand for the people and put ideologies aside.Obama must call Reid and bring them back to finish the job, where is his leadership or he is playing politics , planing to sign the 2 months extension but demanding for one year. This is irrational.
The Democrats just have to wait, they win either way, it's called a Win Win situation, the American people will lose but come Election day they all know what side was to blame and vote accordingly, I think come Election day there will be a whole lot less GOP members .....
I wish it was Nov 2012, and vote everyone of those SOB's out of office, starting with Boehner & Cantor, just keep playing games, because Obama and the Dems will win come Nov.
The only thing I can say is the republicans, and especially Boehner are playing some sort of game. I can understand not wanting to bend on getting a full year out of the passage of the bill, but so what if they have to come back together in a couple of months to renegotiate the time frame. As a conservative, this doesn't make much sense to me why they are taking a hard line on passing the bill. There's not much of a point to be made out of it.
Lately it appears as though the republicans are trying to lose all credibility. I don't fancy the liberal point of view about the conditions, but for the republicans to purposefully be obstinate without a sense of timing or leadership tells me that there's a void in the leadership. Personally I can't see how Boehner made it to a leadership position given his weaknesses.
Oskar - No.. the republicans in the House are in shame. Seems to me, even MITCH McConnel (a pathetic republican) even supported this one right? Obama knew the changes of getting a 1 year extension were going to be slim. So reid brokered the 2 month extension with a vote of 89-11 in the Senate. In the house:
229 House members, all Republicans, voted to send the payroll tax cut to conference, the formal (and less commonly used) process to resolve legislative differences with the Senate. Seven Republicans joined 186 Democrats in opposition to this plan.
Seems to me, the republicans are the onews who are full of radical individuals (like Boehner) who are more focused on getting a new oil pipeline built than they are about helping the Middle Class get back on it's feet.
When your payroll taxes go up on January 1, please make sure your's is specifically given to the department of defense, the rich oil corporates (who still get a handout from the government), and corporations that continue to export american jobs overseas.
The House vote, 229-193, kicks the measure back to the Senate, where the bipartisan two-month measure passed on Saturday by a sweeping 89-10 vote.
The Dems in Senate then promptly left Washington for the holidays. :( Losers
Wow Brianb I agree with you I don't know what they feel they might gain, the best they can do is say they made sure Obama got what he wanted because they agree with him, since they keep focusing on the one year thing, and it only gets worse for them from there, Boehner must feel more lonely than the Maytag repairman.
lahater? Where did you find those statistics? President Obama's only mistake was, attempting to negotiate, with the Republicans; the first two years he was in office. Every time he extended his hand, to make nice, with the "party of no, he was bitten!
Here is what I think should happen. Let the "tax cuts" end and make sure the middle class know which party is responsible for this betrayal. Bawl Baby Boehner and his motley crew of Republicans, will take a hit come November 2012. I am live in Ohio and certainly intend to campaign against Boehner, Latta and everyone of those, who got wealthy, by stoking the fires, for the Koch brothers.
Hopefully, FOX LIES will be under indictment, for tampering with communications, in the United States. Rupert Murdock needs to have a diet of bread and water, for all his illegal doings. Next and even more importantly, EVERYONE who wants to see Karl Rove end his career, as Chief Liar and Thief, needs to go to Senator Bernie Sanders official site and sign his petition to amend the Constitution, that prevents corporations from being treated as a person! Corporations will no longer bwe able to funnel money into the Republican party and fund candidates, such as Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich. Essentially, the amendment will null and void, the Supreme Court ruling, authorizing corporations to donate as much money as they want, with out it being accounted for and traced back to the donors.
The bottom line is, middle class Americans, better know as the working class, is quickly losing their civil rights. Republicans, fed by the likes of the wealthy 1%, are pitting the middle class against each other; by planting false and misleading stories, innuendo and propaganda.
While the middle class nit-picks, over these inane issues, the wealthy and powerful, are taking our rights way from us and leaving us with nothing. The rich want to cut the minuim wage, stop cost of living increases, block our voting rights, prevent us for achieving the American dream. They only want our money and our labor. They want to take what is rightfully our because we have earned it. It is the middle class that fights the wars, put out the fires, keeps murders and crooks at bay, and prevent mayhem in the street, provide health care to the privileged few. The rich wants the workers to give as much as we can and they want us to do these tasks for a pittance or nothing at all.
When I hear the likes of Newt Gingrich stating, school children should be janitors and Rick Perry wanting to eliminate federal programs, he knows nothing about; everyone of us, should be frightened. These are the despots, who want to be the president.
Not one of the Republican candidates has the intelligence, the compassion or the ability to do what is right for the average American. And that included Jed Bush! Republicans want to take the power and wealth from every last American, so they can "rule" the United States. One look at the Supreme Court ruling. that calls a corporation a person, should be proof enough. Republicans want it all. Your, mine and ours, Everything!
If you do not believe me, go along with these marauders, get them your vote. You will rue the day, you trusted the likes of McConnell, Boehner, Kasich, Perry, Gingrich. Bachmann. Cain, Limbaugh, O' Rielly, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and many, many more. They are the beginning of the end, of the United States Of America.
I'm sure Bohner cries himself to sleep every night Rich worthless Republicans make a stew of money, get all the benefits they can muster, a life time of pensions and they do nothing...Vote all Republibums out, crooks.
'Boner and the boys' must certainly realize that this will mean a tax increase for the wealthy corporations that hold their leashes.
Judy the Ornery - lahater may have been referring to a Gallup poll that came out a couple weeks ago:
Obama's first two years in office were helped along with the clear majority in the house and senate. The repub's filibustered the heck out of almost everything due to their belief that we were going in the wrong direction. What was accomplished was when a little give-&-take happened. Remember how we all felt saying Obama was a weak Democrat who pandered to the right? How soon we forget.
I wish there were more give-and-take. Neither side claiming individual victory, but victory for ALL Americans (the rich, the poor, the middle class, legal immigrants, Grandma, EVERYBODY!).
As Bill Clinton said, 'my greatest successes were when we had bipartisan support'. When the President gets behind both sides & looks for the middle ground, we can and will be successful. When the President backs only one side and one agenda, we are doomed for failure - this according to what one can take from Bill Clinton. Can anyone say the current administration has sought the middle ground for the past 3 years?
just so you republicans know, the president said he reluctantly would signe the bill, the language that lets a man held without trial, is republican language
Wow! BrianB, I agree with you! We should mark this day on the calendar. Seriously.
(Oh, this is just too funny. I just saw that Forrest Gump's first words in post #1.54 are exactly the same as mine. Great minds think alike, eh, Forrest?)
Both houses of Congress need to adopt Robert's Rules of Order as their only rules for functioning....in fact, we should force a constitutional amendment that would set RRO as the only rules for each house to operate under. We also need a constitutional amendment that FORBIDS any amendment that is not GERMANE to the main bill to be attached to that bill, and not just appropriations bills. The pipeline is NOT germane to this tax bill (which is really a form of appropriations/budget financing) and should never have been allowed to be attached to this bill.
Dear Right-wing Participants - Stop with the fallacious argument about the two-month extension.
Everyone (except you apparently) knows this was necessary because Teapublicans played political games with "poison pills" and have taken the legislation down to the wire yet again. And now they have the audacity to renege on agreements, and the cowardice to hide their votes, and the hatefulness to go home and enjoy the holiday while over 160 million Americans are left in limbo.
This Teapublicans in congress have been the worst in history--Throw the Teapublicans out!
Surprise, eh? I've said it all along that I am not a republican. When they are wrong, they are wrong! I think they are completely off base on this one. I understand some of their tactics, but this is a little over the top. It's like a child holding out for a cookie with one more sprinkle on it. Makes no sense at all. The obvious answer is... Washington is broken and is in serious need of repair. My suggestion is to get rid of all the old guard on both sides.. those career politicians that feel we OWE them their jobs. We are the people... we owe them NOTHING!
Dear Teapublicans...
Playing political "games" will ensure your swift and methodical demise on November 6, 2012. The blatant ignorance and stupidity of your actions has simply "sealed the deal"! You will find out that the American voter is not quite as dumb as your juvenile antics and you will soon have to find other vocations. I for one can't wait! LMFAO!!
BrianB
Uhh. . . . It's a little deeper than that. Here's something Anna Molly said to you last week, and there's a great deal of wisdom in it: You have a tendency to not see the forest for the trees. But, hey, I'll take agreement wherever I find it. Seriously--I'm glad we're in agreement on this issue.
Come 2012 the Republicans are going to win, no the Liberals are going to win either way I know who is going to lose we the people, because we're to blind to see that neither party gives a crap about anything but their political futures. You have Republicans that whether or not they favor the rich, it sure looks that way and Liberals who think they can spend what we don't have. Oh and this two month tax break give me a break. If you're going to talk tax break for the middle class then get real. Stop the useless Bush tax cut which never did anything for job creation. Congress do your job we the people demand it. Corporations give a little to the people who put you where you are. Obama quit dividing the country, you're the President of all the US act like it
Brianb, not that I am a fan of career politicians, but it is the NEW politicians (Tea Party extremists) who have caused this issue. Voting out the "old guard" to replace them with more extremists is a very bad idea.
The Tea Party extremists brought the issue to the front line where it belongs. OUR SPENDING needs to be controlled and our HALF assed promises need to be squashed!!!
I am amazed that almost all of the bloggers here can't see that the funding of social security (FICA) is being robbed ITS THAT SIMPLE. DO ALL THE MATH NOT JUST THE HALF YOU LIKE. When SS becomes 90 billion in the hole at the end of 2013 all you will do then is cry foul. GROW UP!!!!
Republicans Stand Strong!!!
How about some finger pointing? Well, the Republicans are trying to fix a broken drain by causing a clog in that very fragile drain. The metaphor is apt. Also off my chest is the fact that no one can come to fix that drain. We the people are the drain. Every head in the room is a source of the new capital: thoughts. Yes folks, it is time for thought crime, because everyone has become a criminal. Everyone who uses their brains, of course. And cheers to those who don't agree with the Republicants who are obviously sabotaging the system so that the country is in such dire straits by election time that they can come and save the day like some Supermen that God has made them as they drill off their semi-biblical arguments and half baked pocket lining bow down to the rich ideas.
in summary:
The Republicans are trying to fix a broken drain by causing a clog.
The Republicans are trying to become Supermen, by sabotage. They want the country to be in such a mess by election time.
The Democrats are just a bunch of weakling athiests who don't want to cause PEACE by declaring WAR.
How about some finger pointing? Well, the Republicans are trying to fix a broken drain by causing a clog in that very fragile drain. The metaphor is apt. Also off my chest is the fact that no one can come to fix that drain. We the people are the drain. Every head in the room is a source of the new capital: thoughts. Yes folks, it is time for thought crime, because everyone has become a criminal. Everyone who uses their brains, of course. And cheers to those who don't agree with the Republicants who are obviously sabotaging the system so that the country is in such dire straits by election time that they can come and save the day like some Supermen that God has made them as they drill off their semi-biblical arguments and half baked pocket lining bow down to the rich ideas.
in summary:
The Republicans are trying to fix a broken drain by causing a clog.
The Republicans are trying to become Supermen, by sabotage. They want the country to be in such a mess by election time.
The Democrats are just a bunch of weakling athiests who don't want to cause PEACE by declaring WAR.
Twice even.
Well the GOP made their choice not a smart one but no one ever said they were smart, I guess they all can see if their Master Norquest can get them a job when they get the boot come next election, boy I think America is going to have a major shift come next election that's for sure ..... And Boner will really have something to cry about then ....
I remember recently thinking that the Republicans should have more power. Boy, was I wrong. Now it's told that they hold the majority in the House. Also one day I woke up shouting "tax the rich". I hope I wasn't wrong.
Everyone is neglecting the sworn allegience to Grover.
The American people were promised forthright that under no circumstances would the republicans raise taxes. After checking in with the wizard behind the curtain, Grover, we are told that letting tax cuts expire was the same as raising taxes.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, republicans finally broke the pledge to Norquist. They let taxes go up.
Another promise broken by the GOP. They were elected for jobs, instead they tried to lay off 250,000 of them. They promised to enable the job creators, then voted to end medicare.
They weren't even sworn in and tried to get bills passed. But they made good and sure that if their pledge of allegiance was botched, at least their pledge to Norquist was solid black and white. Well, that's another job screwed up.
Does this mean that millionaire taxes will finally be collected?
Bosslimo ..... "Does this mean that millionaire taxes will finally be collected?"
The term "millionaire" refers to accumulated wealth or net worth, as in a "Balance Sheet" for a personal financial statement.
In the United States, income taxes are based on ......DUH ! ........ income !! People can be millionaires without ever having earned a high income, but by living within and below their income levels.
Of course, that reality does not fit the desired liberal spin of class warfare who focus on distorting the truth whenever it does not fit their leftist ideology.
Vote the lowlife dirtbags out ( "GOP Tea-ReTards" ) Bonehead is a loser !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > .............................................This port is from #1.11 that was collapsed by the Koch paid Bums and their "Zoo Fans" ( " Note to you T-ReTard Clowns- I'm BACK" ) Go back to your Fox Zombie News.
"It angers me that House REPUBLICANS would rather play politics than find solutions."
"Their actions will hurt American Families and further damage our fragile economy."
Above direct quotes from Scott Brown, REPUBLLICAN SENATOR OF MASSACHUSETTS
What else needs to be said by Democrats? NOTHING!
Irrelevent whether you are a registered GOTP or not. You are a conservative, seen by how you call anyone to the left of you a marxist (such as Obama and even George W. Bush, and I've refuted that before). For that, we will tear your statements to pieces as long as you spout false information.
Republians thought Democrats would consider the payroll tax extension importiant enough that they could force the pipeline approval into it. What most people don't realize is that the Nebraska state legislature has said "yes" to the pipeline, but want it re-reouted away from a cricitical water aquifier. If the pipeline were to contaminate that aquifier, it would impact much of our heartland's agriculture. The pipeline reroute will require time to examine for potential impacts of the new route. Republicans aren't just going against President Obama, but against the people and government of Nebraska by trying to force approval of the original route. The pipeline has nothing to do with the payrol tax cut; it's simply for a big oil company to get their project started. Republicans, once again, putting big business interests ahead of the average person, and trying to spin it into something else.
Try to keep up. The pipeline has already been rerouted and the "people and government of Nebraska" are urging the pipeline to be passed NOW.- http://www.kmtv.com/news/local/135468608.html
And exactly which "big businesses" are you referring to? This project will account for 20,000 jobs for "average people". The unions support the pipeline BIG TIME, since when does union support ever favor "big business interests"? Maybe you should put down the Kool Aid before you choke on it.
Backcountry164,
The article you linked included the following:
TransCanada Corporation (TransCanada) is a North American energy infrastructure company focused on natural gas pipelines, oil pipelines and energy, with a 30 billion dollar market cap. The pipeline would create jobs, although the 20,000 jobs number has been disputed as being overstated.
You attacked me for my summary of the political situation in Nebraska, and what I originally reported is almost exactly the same as what your article mentions. Pretty obnoxious of you to attack a stranger for posting an opinion based on facts, expecially when you claim those facts are in error, yet post a link that support them. You seem to suggest that I am a supporter of unions. I'm not, but accept them as a necessary evil. You make a lot of assumptions in your post. Your Kool Aid comment is a typical one used by posters who simply want to flame someone with a different opinion. I will refrain from sinking to that level, but as I believe you simply want to flame people, I will ignore you in the future. Happy holidays to you, sir.
Hey I'm with Fiesty and all the other hardline hypocrit libs. I want my extra $40 a week per family stolen from the social security funds. Those old folks don't need it. They can eat dog food instead of chicken and I can give the money to Big Oil for more gas to waste in my SUV. Thanks libs...hang tough.
The repubs will be the only ones voting to to cut SS benefits.
I have little doubt you're correct Alex. Even after all the money runs out (years from now), the Democrats will continue to stick their heads in the sand and avoid doing anything about Social Security. But they certainly don't have any problem with taking money from it now via the backdoor.
Now that is the spirit of bipartisanship!
Those losers in the Senate have all gone home for the holidays! Really putting the country first! (NOT!)
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
The Senate minority leader was the one who brokered the deal, and Boehner was in on it. So much for his control of his side of the house. Not a very effect speaker, eh?
PP,
You can point the finger at Boehner all you want, but the truth is that Harry Reid and the Senate democrats are incapable of resolving the issue or making a commitment to anything... instead continually opting to kick the can two months down the road each time.
That is NOT leadership and it is NOT in the best interest of our country!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
What Democrats would those be? Harry maybe? Harry needs to understand that this is the process of how things work in Congress. The House and the Senate pass their legislation, and it goes to a conference committee where the differences are worked out. That's how it works, at least before Harry showed up.
Why is Harry so upset over legislating the payroll tax holiday for 1 year rather than 60 days? Has any of our elite media asked either Mr. Reid or Mr. Schumer why they are so opposed to the 1 year plan of the House? These two Senators really need to know their place, and their place is not telling the House what to do.
So, you are saying Mitch McConnell was in the wrong for brokering, and the senate Republicans were wrong for voting for the agreement. Okay. Got it. You can't trust the word of the GOP.
How so pp? Did you not read the article? Here's the important part in case you missed it:
Now the House will pass their version of the bill and it will go to a conference committee. And please explain how the Senate Democrats will oppose the 12 month version of the payroll tax holiday and be for their 2 month version of the bill. Looks like Boehner has snookered the Senate Democrats into a corner, that's probably why Reid and Schumer are so angry.
It doesn't take much effort to do that, JoAnna. I mean we ARE talking about Harry here! ;-)
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
The senate bill was agreed to by most Republican senators.
Now you're catching on!
These morons live in an alternative reality...
Bottom line is, the Senate brokered a bipartisian deal.
They DID their JOB!
Boehner can't corral the tea baggers & all hell has broken loose!
They can twist & spin it six ways from Sunday - it doesn't change the FACTS!
One more time, Boehner was in on the deal with McConnell. Either Mr. Boehner is not an effect leader, or they both a dishonorable men. I am starting to lean to the latter.
89 of 99 Senators voted for a COMPROMISE. Included 40 of 47 GOP Senators and McConnel as well!
Sorry, but that is where you are wrong. They did NOT do their job. They kicked the can AGAIN!
Just another two month delay because they are all afraid to resolve the real issue.
What is it that they are afraid of? Taking a stand maybe? Being held accountable?
This is EXACTLY why the economy is floundering! The continual unknown regarding where we stand with these types of issues. Nothing stable to begin building on. Why? Because the Senate is not willing to provide that stability for more than two months at a time!
Shame on you Harry!
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BTW Richter... I said SENATE! That include GOP and Liberal alike!
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(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
I think there may be truth to the idea that Boehner is not a very good Speaker of the House, but in all honesty, he is dealing with a fairly unmanageable caucus.
Looks like the good Senators on both sides had a case of Get-Out-Of-Townides. That's not atypical, just kick the can down the road a bit and pick it up later, they've been doing it for years. Too bad the House had other ideas.
And the House is not beholden to any Senator, either Republican, Democrat, or Independent. Speaker Boehner is showing leadership on this issue. No one else has bothered.
Didn't President Obama tell Congress they had to stay in session until this was wrapped up? Why did Majority Leader Reid take the Senate out of session before this was completed?
But yet the votes are going through as the Speaker wants them to. Explain how that is "unmanageable".
In the land of Conservativille - bipartisanship is now considered 'kicking the can'!
Okay - I got it!
They already rejected the House version! It had too many poison pills. The Senate version passed with 40 of 47 GOP senators? That's a MAJORITY of the party! The House version was never going to pass!
By the way, for those of us who truly run a business, what is holding the economy back is DEMAND. Not this uncertainty nonsense used just for politics after Boehner had kicked the can so many times during the debt debate. Not 6.2% or 4.2% payroll tax cut (which indeed is good for workers). Give us more customers walking in through the door and business will boom. That's how it was in the Clinton boom years. Afterall you pay taxes only after you first make a profit. I would give 3% more to see the level of customers walk in that I used to. They just give you a talking point and you run with it regardless knowing EXACTLY how it works in the real world.
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At some point, the lying and finger pointing becomes impossible to sustain. Solomon was once able to tell who was the real mother that cared about the child this way...
It was complete. A deal was brokered and passed in the Senate 89-10. Now the tail is wagging the dog in the House.
Boehner showing leadership? Hardly.
As I said, the members of the GOP have proved themselves to be dishonorable people. (And from what I read here, most of their base fall in that same category).
So your idea of how things should work is for the leader to TELL those in his caucus how to vote? I would prefer that our legislators vote according to the will of their constituents, regardless of what the party leaders happen to get together and agree on. I cannot imagine anyone who honestly believes that a two month extension is better than a full year extension, especially when the largest payroll firms are telling Congress that it will be next to impossible to comply with the particulars of the legislation as it is. Companies are looking for stability. Two months does not provide it.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
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BTW Feisty... why do you always post quotes from some other thread or from your own comments... in attempts to make it look like the right conceded?
As of right now (when i post this... ) The only person in this thread that said that was you!... No one from the right has agreed with you on any of this.
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
Just as I suspected, you failed reading comprehension! lol
Miserably...
There is no stability within Democratic leadership ... just one political game after another !
So Daryl, are the Democrats for or against a 12 month extension of the payroll tax holiday? Do you even know what Obama's opinion is on it? Yet you seem totally against the 12 month extension and so much for the 2 month extension. Why is that?
AMEN JC!
And pay no mind to PP... she is another liberal fool in sheep's clothing!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
But yet the votes are going through as the Speaker wants them to. Explain how that is "unmanageable"
I think you are wrong about the outcome being what Boehner wanted all along. I think Boehner was fine with this deal but the Republican Base (aka the teaparty) said no.
Boehner's caucus is unmanageable because they don't respect Boehner's authority. Heck, I don't think they respect the Congress or the government at all.
PS - Not only that, but I think there is a sizable chunk of the GOP that would rather burn this country to the ground and salt the earth then reelect Barack Obama.
nisl... this is one thing that we agree on...
However, they are no different than most american citizens at this point.
I said I would talk to anyone about this so...
Feisty - There are two bodies of Congress. Although it would be great if deals and verbal promises and agreements would hold between GOP leaders of both houses. That is not how it works. Bills can go to conference committees. That said, I do predict that when the Democrats pick up ten to twelve house seats in 2012, Boehner looses his seat to Cantor who becomes the new Speaker.
Back to the payroll tax cuts...
Some see no wrong or hold all on their own side blameless that is not realistic. A question, do we really want to fight about this again in two months? Actually, in Senate time it means they get back maybe the 2nd week of Jan. Then they will delay discussing this until a week before the two month extension ends. Then the whole, same argument starts again.
The 1 year extension isn't a solution either, it kicks the can as well. If Obama wins in 2012 he will face a house and Senate GOP, they will ask for all tax cuts to continue. He will be in a weaker position then he is now. Let them expire now, this will take the XL pipeline routing out of the equation. The Nebraska's states rights will be upheld by rerouting the pipeline out of the Sandhills and have the proper amount of time to decide how it can be extended through less sensitive areas.
We have become addicted to tax cuts and assume we are entitled to them. We are not. We are not entitled to the Bush/Obama tax cuts either.
I see...so in Conservative-Land, if members of President Obama's party disagree with him he's a poor leader but if Republicans don't agree to something the Congressional leadership has brokered it's voting according to the will of their constituents.
nisl,
Or, perhaps there are people in the House that are actually trying to do what is right, rather than play political games. Those people are interested in voting according to what their constituents want rather than blindly falling into step with the GOP leadership. Just because the leadership makes a deal does not mean that it is right.
You are free to think what you want, but don't you think what the House is doing is better for the country? What is with a 60 day extension of the tax holiday? That just means the Congress would just waste its time again in 59 days having to be in crisis mode yet again and under the gun to pass "something". We have enough of that with Continuing Resolutions because we have no budget.
Again, the only one in DC right now showing any leadership is Speaker Boehner. Everyone else just wants to go on vacation.
So how is kicking the can a year down the road that much better than two months? Just two months, gives them something to do after Christmas. Then the republicans can say "we got you 14 months of tax cuts". I thought republicans were for cutting taxes. They are trying to stop progress to the point they are voting against their own party lines. They don't deserve having the word "honorable" in front of their names.
Its called stability, predictability, HARLEY! Something that business can plan for in an annual budget!
(What a dolt!)
DaNoid,
Nope. President Obama is a poor leader because he fails to work with Congress (both sides) to arrive at solutions that enough people can vote for. He is a poor leader because he does not inspire others to rise above the petty bickering. He is a poor leader because he is failing at his job.
If I had my way I would outlaw caucuses. I expect my Senators and Representatives to vote in accordance with the needs and wishes of my State/District - not with the dictates of the Republican or Democrat leadership... nor with the Black, Hispanic, Tea Party, or any other caucus leaders.
The Democrats are all for the 2 month extension and only a 2 month extension. The reason for that is that for those people who make under $110,100 (SS max in 2012) you will feel a 2% decrease in FICA. For those people who make over $110,100, you will have to wait a longer period of time before you max out your social security. Now the Democrats will soon claim, the Republicans are holding up the tax cut because of the 1%. The same way that until recently they felt that $200,000 is wealthy for a single person but when you add in a spouse and kids only another $50,000 makes you wealthy. What we need to do is vote out every single member of Congress and the President in 2012. That is the only way we can take back our government.
You are free to think what you want, but don't you think what the House is doing is better for the country? What is with a 60 day extension of the tax holiday?
Nobody would rather have the two month extension. We would all rather have a year long extension. But because of political realities (Congress is dysfunctional) the best the Senate could do was a two month extension. I don't like it anymore than you do, but if they need another two months to make the extension last through the end of 2012 that is fine. This is not a complicated concept, you know that. Which leads me to the conclusion you are just trying to give support to the political leader of your preferred party. There is nothing wrong with that, but there is no reason for me to try to convince you of something if that something is already known to you.
Again, the only one in DC right now showing any leadership is Speaker Boehner. Everyone else just wants to go on vacation.
Ha, that is funny! Thanks, I needed a chuckle.
That's exactly what you're getting from the House.
Show us all someone else in DC that is providing more leadership than Speaker Boehner. Name a name. Go ahead. Obama? Nowhere to be seen. Reid? He just wants to go home. Schumer? He's always whining about something. McDonnell? Minority Leader, who cares. Pelosi? Com'on.
Don't watch Fox, but you seem rather familiar with it.
The reality of it is that the House will pass a 1 year extension for the payroll tax holiday. Explain how the Senate turns that down in a conference committee.
So maybe Senators Reid and Schumer can show some leadership, suggest a plan, and draft some legislation. They seem to have a lot of time on their hands to do so.
Former Marine... (thank you for your service. I lost my marine son).
My comments? - yep, from INSIDE the beltway. I have spent a long time trying to be neutral, but it is becoming difficult with no solution, just political comments from both sides. I read all news services to see who can follow some of the real items here. MSNBC does not and probably never will. It is difficult to be neutral reading the comments at this page. Some are so far from any realty.
This bill for example. The real challenge inside the meetings is the unemployment and how to pay for it. Is that the story at MSNBC - NO. The Senate felt that a solution of two months without anything else is about as clear a message of putting off a decision as there can be. It is wrong. The House is holding for each of their requirements, including the much needed pipeline component. They are wrong.
The House not going along with Senate Republicans? - the final result was not what the House was thought was agreed. Two months were originally OK, if the other components were included. Was that clear in this article? The Senate took an easy way out of the process (and yes, so they could go home).
So, Marine, there is no solution today and there will be no solution in two months. There will be some sort of an emergency action taken that lts both sides walk away from this vote claiming they are the winner - when there will actually be no decision.
And Marine, this is the fact.
Maybe pigs will fly. :) The Senate has not passed a budget in 3 years.
darryl - If the dems balk and agree to 1 year and agree to the XL pipeline without a reroute or study, does Obama veto? With political pressure I think not. The GOP keep calling his bluff. He is not a good poker player, must have a tell.
These leaders can't agree unless they are given out political goodies, no hard decisions.
Yellowdog - I think his tell is "he's breathing"......
I can't believe the number of people on here who seem to think the Dems proposed the 2 month extension . The Dems wanted a year, but didn't want the poison pills the Republican House put in there. They agreed to the 2 months because it was all they could get from the Republicans. The Senate Republicans are the ones responsible for it being 2 months instead of a year. You can spin it however you want, but facts are facts.
If the Dems wanted the full year - just pass the House bill for the year then. Why do Dems insist on a 2 month tax holiday?
Why can't they do that?
I'm laughing so hard at the conservative wright wing-nut posts on this topic it makes me feel like Santa! Thanks JoAnnaSmith1 and SickOfTheBickering. I didn't know you would give a liberal anything except grief. I know now that you believe in Christmas, gift giving, and making everyone laugh at your posts! Once again, THANKS and Merry Christmas to you and your families!
It's politics, pure and simple. The GOP is not going to do anything to help the economy or the people while Obama is in office. The Democrats pack bills so that the GOP has no choice but turn them down so they can blame them for the economy. It's time to unelect every single incumbent, regardless of party affiliation.
Apparently, only tax cuts for the rich pay for themselves and don't need to be offset with spending cuts is what the GOP meant all along.
Tax cuts for work on the other hand - needs to be paid for, and in addition have something such as the Oil industry pipeline tacked on for them to grudgingly pass it.
daryl...
It sounds like you are saying that the only people introducing any bills ("clean" or not) are the Republicans... (lazy democrats!)
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
She can't ... she's wearing it !
So tell me sick, jas1 & wingnuts:
Did Boehner high five Cantor after they did this dispicable thing the way he did McConnell when the bi-partisan deal was passed in the Senate?????
And, (below)
Typical Republican position Rob - denial, spin and outright lie to try to get the facts to conform to your RNC political plank. Spew it! Won't work in 11/12 'cause voters SEE what is going on regardless of your distorted sales pitches.
What's with all the hate, daryl?
If you needed to know what was with my tag line... you would already know... since you don't... well, you get it.
As for making things up... I think you are a bit confused... You said:
Yet all I hear about no this vine is the way the republicans have filibustered or even voted down the Senate bills. How do they do that without it coming to the floor? Which is it... is the House voting them down or never allowing them to come to the floor?
You sound a lot like most liberals... confused!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
SOB
You do understand that the 'House' refers to the House of Representatives, right? The Senate is the OTHER Congressional body?
Good grief, we have to teach you about your own party platform AND basic civics? Really? Here's a vowel, buy a clue!
SickOfTheBickering - you would be funny if your post was not so sad. Liberals are confused? The GOP doesn't have a clue. You apparently don't know how the system works. A bill can be filibustered so that it cannot go for a vote. And, they have had bills which they have filibustered - more than any other group - rather than let them come up for a vote. But, they declared the minute President Obama was elected that they would keep him from accomplishing anything. To hell with the country - the GOP wants to defeat our President. Most intelligent people see who is doing the damage and the GOP will lose more seats in both the House and the Senate than they every imagined because people are sick of their stupidity.
I believe it is the GOP who "packed" tax cut and unemployment benefit extension legislation with unrelated items such as the Keystone XL pipeline.
Originally, Boehner was open to the 2 month extention. Why the change? Strategists realized that the democrats were wanting to take advantage of the issue coming up again in a couple of months. This issue plays very well to the base and brings in money and motivates a rather depressed and lethargic base.
Democrats stategists work out a mo of what to do if the Republicans do one of two things. The Republicans typically don't operate that way. What I do in teaching my son Chess is to figure out what his opponent is wanting to do and will do in reacting to his response to a move. Then find the very move that will throw off both his opponents Plan A & B and do it.
Looks like Boehner & company is getting the hang of this.
All Obama does is run away.
Run, run, run away.............run away to HIDE OUT.
This is getting to be a regular thing with Bama.
He's never called, or asked any questions, or met with ANYONE to go over this legislation. Never.
Obviously Sick of the Bickering does not even understand the basic structure of the Congress. Probably one of those Fox News viewers who are less informed than people who watch no news at all.
Fire the f'n a'holes
I can't take it any more.
I guess the President was running to hide when he just gave that speach. Seems he made some good points. If it was a Republican giving this speech and the Dem's were obstructing, I'd still say the speach hit it. We are being jerking around.
Please clarify.
After the holidays, we are going to hear a collective cry throughout this nation, coming from the millions of people that Republicans have literally pulled their dinner plates from their dining room table, will have NO RENT MONEY, and Republicans will continue to refuse to feed UNLESS BIG OIL GETS THEIR PIPELINE FROM CANADA THRU TO TEXAS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO PAY FOR IT.
Ok Republicans, these are YOUR 2,000,000 soon-to-be hungry and homeless Americans, and they all belong to you! I see no "compassion" in your so-called "conservatism" which is nothing more than taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
It just wasn't enough for Republicans to crash our economy and eliminate MILLIONS OF JOBS in order to make themselves Iraqi Oil Barrons, NOW they have to starve the poor in order for Republicans to get their Oil Pipeline.
Disgusting!
Republicans, using the poor as "HOSTAGES" to try to force President Obama to "give in" if the President wants the poor to eat, he's going to have to GIVE the mega-billionaire Oil Barrons their pipeline!
REPUBLICANS = TAX CUTS for the rich, PAY CUTS for the American People.
@WillingSniper # 189.12,
Please, please, please ... do NOT refer to the Rookie-in-Chief as "Bama" ... be sure to put the big "O" in front of his name. Certain college football fans in this country would appreciate the distinction.
How is it that so many people ranting and ragging on this site have NO ClUE as to how Congress works. Please look up the rules of the House and the Senate before you make your self look any worse.
This is for you SickOfTheBickering GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"President Obama, 'playing politics' in a surprise appearance at the White House briefing, condemned Republicans for playing politics with the vote"
Obama will do anything to advance his 'class warfare' rhetoric.
Why do they just keep 'kicking the can down the road' every few months? Is it really that hard to just do it for a full year so businesses can make some longer term hiring decisions? No business wants to hire people if the costs might change in 60 days.
I missed the part where the Republicans that won seats in the last election either said they were all about extending the payroll tax cut or where those who voted for them said they were voting for them so they would extend the payroll tax cut.
Yes, Clara... I DO understand that the House is the HoR and the Senate is a separate Congressional Body... As a matter of fact... I even visited BOTH last June when I took my children to D.C. (have you been there, Clara? Likely not... )
But hey... way to go with typical liberal accusations and distractions. You sure did your part to distract from the point that I was making... That being the fact that the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES have introduced NUMEROUS bills, that have passed in the HOUSE OF REPRESENATIVES, only to DIE A SLOW DEATH in the SENATE! (where the lazy liberals have a majority.)
Have a nice day wise-arse!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
Hay Mr Wilson
Explain this Class Warfare to me. Over the last decade Million dollor earners and above have seen their income go up Over 300%. People making 35 Thousand a year saw a 20% incerase in wages. Im not a math major but know 300% increase of 1 Million is alot bigger than 20% of 35 Thousand.
Both versions are supposed to be "merged in conference" but the Dumocrat Senate ran away already.
They have left D.C. for the holidays already. Losers.
Meanwhile Obama RAN AWAY from his job to campaign..........not work, campaign.
Isn't that lovely. The Teapublicans plan to head home to enjoy the holiday while over 160 million Americans continue to live in limbo. The president, on the other hand, is planning to stay and work to get this done on behalf of The People. Boehner, who is the one who lacks "leadership" angrily accuses the president of not helping him control his crazy-arse Party. Wow. We see once again the clear choice we will have in 2012.
Flood the phone lines people with calls to your @#$%! Teapublican representatives and demand they stay and do their damn job for a change, and stop with the lip service lies!
It would take ten years of taxes to the rich to pay for this one year tax break. What's the matter with you Americans? We are broke and you don't want to help? I don't care if I get a payroll tax cut or not, it won't be the end of my life. Grow up and take some responsibilty for the hole we have been put in. The Tea Party members in the House will have my vote in the future.
President Obama is a failure. He has shown no leadership over the past 3 years and this is one big example. He panders for votes from the screaming left loonies who don't want to help get us going in the right direction.
TruePatriot - It is the dems in the Senate who went home and don't want to come back and give you your handout.
All the emotional schoolgirl nonsense aside, the House wants a 1 year bill on the payroll tax reduction as 2 months is truly game playing irresponsible politics.
The Senate left the city, more game playing. Their job was to insure this legislation passed. It hasn't. Do your job democrats or you will lose your job.
Any loon that thinks we are not smart enough to realize what a scumbag Harry is in for a big surprise in 2012. Big surprise. Really BIG.
JH-479998-- BFD what the minority of ultra conservatives like you, and trolls like Paul Fthink or want. The majority of Americans want the payroll tax cut and UE extended, and they wanted it funded with a small surtax on a small number of the richest 1% for a small amount of time until the economy recovers.
The damage to our dwindling and struggling middle class from Republican policies (the Bush-era ones we still suffer from of war, deficits, and tax cuts for the rich, off-shoring jobs, destroying manufacturing, etc.) will take a minimum of a generation to try to correct, but probably longer. As stated many times before, it's basic economics 101 that when the middle class is strong, there is demand, and when there is demand, companies hire, and all this benefits everyone including the rich.
But also a strong middle class is important for democracy. How can the US be a role model in these times of the Arab Spring and other global events if we neglect our middle class, our free speech, our free press, women's rights, etc? How can Teapublicans suppress the will of the majority and look in the mirror every day?
If you insist on drinking the FOX Noise and Hate Radio Kool-aid, by all means pick the cup that smells like almonds. The rest of the nation is tired of Tyranny by the Minority with blackmail, hostage-taking, poison pills, and all other manner of plotting and planning against democracy. Enough!
Tuesday's vote technically puts the onus back on the Senate.
The House vote, 229-193, kicks the measure back to the Senate, that's the process we have in place.
But the Dumocrats already RAN AWAY from D.C. and failed to finish their job.
Let's see if we all understand what is happening. The Bummer says the only viable way is for the House to approve the Senate bill. Why can't the Senate approve the House bill? Oh yeah, the dems didn't have a majority say. So The Bummer actually believes that it will be the sole blame of the House if the measure doesn't pass?
Let's follow his line of thinking a little farther. When he doesn't agree with the extension of a tax break for the rich it is the ending of a tax break. However, when there is an end to a tax break for the entitlers it is a tax increase. How is it the end of a tax break for one group and a tax increase for the other?
TruePatriot
So it's your way or the highway? BFD what you want because you are wrong. Yes, the majority of all Americans want the tax cut and UE extended. But not just for 2 friggen months!! What the hell was Harry thinking? Besides having a stupid talking point for the next two months. It is a political move designed to get loonies upset at Republicans. It doesn't work with me. And the small surtax on the rich to pay for the cut would take ten years. You really think the next Congress will leave it alone? If you do you are wrong. I have said all along that ALL of the Bush/Obama tax cuts can expire. The only way to start getting us out of this hole is for EVERYBODY to help. I am sick of the class warfare from the looney lefties. We have a strong middle class in this country. Just look around and you will see it. You need to quit drinking the far left, MSNBC, Maddow, Larry O, and current administration Kool-aid.
joethelib "Hay Mr Wilson Explain this Class Warfare to me"
Class Warfare = Creating tensions between different socio-economic classes.
Gee, I wonder who's doing that? Since Obama has been a dismal failure on the economy/jobs, his only hope is to divert attention by trying to 'blame the rich', so he wants to drag that message out every 2 months - that's the REAL reason for kicking the can down the road - so he can keep up the 'Class Warfare' rhetoric.
Is it REALLY the fault of the 'rich' that the economy is in such miserable shape, or is it possibly the anti-growth policies of Obama?
The republicans think you are stupid and will vote against you own needs, rights, and freedom, as long as they make it sound like it is patriotic or protecting the rights that they already took away from you while you were in the voting booth last election. Enough is enough, no more tea party, no more GOP. Vote the obstructionists out.
They also think they can convince you to pay for a Canadian owned pipeline to the Big Oil billionaires inTexas that is simply to move Canadian Oil to the gulf to sell on the International Oil Market. Something is shovel ready alright. It is behind the barn in a large pile.
The Democrat Senate version is this:
It is a 2-month extension of the payroll tax cut, to be paid for with a PERMENENT INCREASE of your home mortgage interest. They call it a fee, a permenent fee added on.
A Permanent increase in exchange for a “2-month” payroll tax cut.
HECK NO WAY! NO DEAL!
The Reps. want to make the deduction extend for a FULL YEAR, not the paltry 2 months that Obama is demanding. How can anyone NOT see that if Congress goes along with Obama the deduction will END after just 2 months. Obama doesn't want to address the pipeline issue until after the election. If he goes with it, the tree huggers will be mad and he'll risk losing their votes. If he goes against it, the Unions will be mad and he'll risk losing their votes.....so he just avoids any action on it until he's collected their votes. He doesn't care about the jobs or the environment...just whatever will benefit him. The pipeline will create many jobs for the MIDDLE CLASS. Everything with Obama is just "put a band aid on it" like extend it two lousy months, until he sees how it effects HIS ELECTION
Willing Sniper, you have no clue. Tuesday's vote? The House Republicans elected NOT to hold a vote (they voted to send it back to committe, rather than to actually vote - the spineless equivalent of voting "present"), because they were afraid to actually VOTE for against the tax break for fear of losing their seats in the next election.
"Some 229 House members, all Republicans, voted to send the payroll tax cut to conference, the formal (and less commonly used) process to resolve legislative differences with the Senate."
PLEASE do us ALL a favor, and actually read the article before you take your opportunity to spew the talking points which don't match up to actual reality, or take the time to talk about what really happened.
Let me get this straight.........
last time the republicans held these same benefits hostage so they could secure a 700 Billion Dollar tax cut for the wealthy --- which the taxpayers had to borrow from China --- and now they hold tax cuts and unemployment benefits and SS programs hostage so a pipeline deal can proceed without an environmental protection study required by law and the uber rich can get richer...
yeah....please explain to me how this is the republicans looking out for the 99%....
this is the republicans looking out for the uber rich and leaving the price tag of our ruined planet on the 99%..........
I want jobs, tax cuts, unemployment benefits, social security programs and a clean and healthy environment......................
the republicans work to circumvent the EPA studies on behalf of the rich.........no one should be above the law........but of course we know that reverse insider trading is going on and that, they tell us, is ok.
How many ways and how many times must the 99% get screwed before we get rid of these treasonous anti-american greedy champions of the uber rich?
I'd say, right about now would be a good time to relieve the country of their presence and their traitorous behavior and vote them ALL out..............you are either with us or against us, and I'd say the REPUBLICANS ARE DEFINITELY AGAINST US!
Non one is more deserving of being fired than the republicans........I'm sure their uber rich owners will give them all jobs.............which more than they do for the rest of us.
by refuseing to vote on the bill the republicans said ..loud and clear.. increase taxes on working familys .. pure and simple .. the middle class will pay more and the republicans can keep there pledge to Norquist ..to never raise taxes on the rich
That bill that the Republicans passed contains elements that the Democrats do not agree with outside of the tax cut extension, and does not have an adequate means of paying for it.
Do you have evidence of this?
Why did he pass several jobs bills immediately after entering office? Why has he done more to work with businesses to open means of clean energy than any other President?
An election which is almost a year from now. Try again.
Stop with the fallacious 2-month argument. Everyone knows Teapublican poison pills and attachments that would be vetoed and other obstructionist games is why there are only a few days left to extend the cuts and assistance for the working class, and why the majority of congress (in both chambers) support the 2-month extension -- Because this is the only option now.
No matter what fallacious arguments you make, the polls show the GOP/TP are imploding.
TruePatriot-445959
"No matter what fallacious arguments you make, the polls show the GOP/TP are imploding."
Now that is a fallacious argument. The polls show both parties pretty much suck. Passing bills for 2 months at a time is as stupid as it gets. I read both bills from each house. Did you? The House bill was for nearly a year and included nearly everything the Senate bill had, but was only for 2 months. Businesses don't make 2 month plans and the government shouldn't either.
Just curious, but what makes you think you are a true patriot? Have you ever sworn to uphold the constitution, or just think it is a piece of paper with no meaning?
ACTUALLY the Tea party is growing , AND the major growth is from Constitutional Democrats who are leaving the democrat party , which is understandable as the Democrat party has become the socialist communist party ,
AS for this article the House did the right thing ,the senate Democrats just kicked the can down the road as they always do , the house has said no more kicking the can down the road , Pass this for a full year , 2 MONTHS IS UNACCEPTABLE , This two month deal is BAD very bad for businesses
As for the Keystone pipe line it has been studied to death , It will be the most advanced pipe line in the world , every thing was addressed and approved by these studies , And yes the company is based out of Canada , BUT it is a public traded company , MANY Americans as well as others hold ownership in this company , JEEZ i wish people would quite spewing these propaganda lies It just makes them liars as well ,AND for cry-in out loud do your own damn research ,
Two months is a joke - meaningless other than a political stunt. Fix the problem, quit playing games and teasing the public...
The games people play. John Q was never an idiot. He may be so busy trying to care for his family, in these trying times, that he ignores the obvious tug-of-war in Washington. His third eye is keeping careful score. I think the Republican mis-leadership has just thrown their last stone at his groin, to bend him over in pain, for the final time.
Despite the best propaganda machine(with enormous resources), the Nazi and Communist dictators finally fell to overwhelming numbers of common citizens. This has happened repeatedly in world history. It has recently happened (and still happening) in the Middle-East and Europe as we speak. You can only rig the game where the house always wins and the people always lose, for a limited time, before the people dismantle the house and start all over.
Good Lord, any student of modern American history, since The Great Depression, knows that the Republicans always kiss butt with the powerful elite at the expense of American workers and the middle class. If they had their way 75 years ago, there would only be a ruling class and peasants to serve that ruling class. They have had their way for much of the last 30 years and that's exactly where they are leading us today.
The Democrats do not walk away unscathed. They fought the ideology of the Republicans tooth and nail with proposals to enrich the multitudes at any cost. That works well until you're spending too much.
How many of us have had an emotional and ferocious argument with a parent, sibling or spouse? How many of us allowed that serious disagreement to box us in a corner where we say and do things we later regret? Most of us. As adults, we apologize, compromise and work for a common goal to better serve all involved as we move on.
Look at the facts instead of opinions of talking heads on Fox and MSNBC( None of us need O'Reilly or Matthews to tell us how to think) . Act as adults, by defusing a bunch of bickering children, instead of taking sides to further inflame the chaos. Then immediately dismiss those pretenders of leadership that continue to behave as spoiled brats determined to have their own way. This has gone on far too long and it is all our fault.
I have faith that we will clean house in 2012. The people will prevail.
I don't get what having a pipeline running through the heart of the US has to do with extended unemployment benefits and the payroll tax reduction. Have each bill stand alone with no omnibus riders. Boehner showed his true colors after the last hostage taking over unemployment benefits, saying that he got 99% of what he wanted. What about what the electorate wants?
A solid majority favors a surtax on the nation's top earners while the GOP screams "class warfare" at the top of their voice. Why are we at a 60 year low tax rate on top earners when the country is cash strapped? Why not take a hard look at defense and make a substantial cut in our global presence? If the GOP wants to keep the tax rates as is--cut the budget evenly and not just domestic programs.
As pointed out by Warren Buffett, his rates are 18% while his employees are 30+ percent. By every appearance, the class warfare is going on, but it's against the Middle Class.
Thank you Commonsense101, At least you know the fact behind the hidden agenda...:) What we need are people that are willing to compromise for the people. Not some pledge to folks supported by the powerful elite and mis-guided media outlets. Remember 70% of folks are followers and blindly led to believe what pops on the media screen.
So the Republicans passed a bill to extend the tax cuts for 12 months, and the Democrats passed a bill to extend the tax cuts for only 2 months.
Why don't they get together and compromise?
gop = greed over people!
Here's the thing. The two month bill the Senate passed was done because the Congress can pay for it through cuts that will take place already on 1/1/12. It forces Obama to make a decision by the end of February on the XL Pipeline instead of kicking it till after the election.
Why did they do this? Because they could not come up with a *GASP* COMPROMISE on how to pay for a full year. When they return post-holidays, they will have two months to come up with the measures necessary to pay for a full year of these extended benefits. My only hope is that the Democrats stand firm on a tax increase for the millionaires, billionaires, and oil companies. When the majority of the country wants and supports something, either it should be accepted or those against it should be voted out.
The House should pass what the Senate has done and get over itself. Boehner doesn't run this country. The Teabaggers don't run this country. If they don't, they will learn in November just who DOES run this country.
Really Bob lots of numbers? Look at the polls. Approval of Republicans is going down while approval of the president is going up. These polls include conservatives, who don't like anyone messing with their Medicare, or Big Government drug testing for unemployment benefits, and who can see that this crazy-arse obstructionism is hurting the GOP brand.
Understand this one thing about drug testing. An unpopular governor in Florida, Rick Scott, tried this with Medicaid. Only 2% tested for drugs, way below the national average of 5%. And guess what? The tax payers have to pay for the drug tests when folks pass. Talk about big government!
Regardless, unemployment insurance is something we pay for via smaller paychecks so that employers can pay premiums. It is a safety net intended for anyone and everyone who is unfortunate enough to lose their job due to no fault of their own. Do YOU want this safety net for YOU to have the requirement that YOU have to take a drug test? Like the unemployed aren't dejected and humiliated enough!
But the bottom line is this:
The two-month extension was passed with 89 votes in the Senate, 39 of which were Republicans. There hasn't been a bipartisan vote of 89 on anything in a long time -- 39 out of 100 IS bipartisan (not 10 out of 435 in the House -- Ha!). And since Boehner stacked his picks for a conference with 5 out of 8 being against the tax cut in any form, and is a cover-up anyway, the Dems are refusing to participate at all. Good for the Dems, they are rejecting this @#$%! gimmick and the Senate is demanding that the House abide by the majority.
The Tea Party minority in the House has pushed the envelope one too many times with yet another attempt at hostage-taking to get a long list of things they want. Well too bad because The People are spitting angry, and they are angry at the Tea Party in particular. B-bye Teabaggers...
Hypocrisy all over , Democrats receive money from the richest of this country but play politics using the media bias to lie the public telling that republicans are for the rich and do not pass the payroll tax cut bill because they are against the poor. Most informed people knows that Democrats as Republican are in the same game, do you think that those comment from the liberal side are going to convince anybody what they say is the truth, no way , the only thing they do here is tapping their back each to other, because only liberals believe their own lies. The majority of Americans are out of this spectrum and listen also Fox News , like it or not they have more viewers than the media that carry the water for Obama. So while Obama and Democrats continue with the class warfare and populist government, regardless how many times Obama come on TV to blame Republicans, the approval for Obama and Congress that also include Demmocrats will go down together, I guess class warfare is not working anymore, people are tired of it. Obama and Democrats will held accountable for their actions. If Obama and Demograts are sayng no to more jobs from oil industry when jobs is neded the most , if they are for the poor , for the unemployed, a good way to put they money where their mouth is, will be allowing the construction of the Keystone pipe and pass the one year payroll cut extention.
It doesn't matter what all you Republican backers say. In actuality it doesn't matter what the Democratic backers say either. What is important is that there is the perception among the majority of voters (note I said the majority of voters) that the Republican party is the party of "NO." They stuck a pipeline thing in there hoping the President would veto it and so they could say the President had held things up. The President decided to be flexible and dropped his objection to the Pipleline thing. So, of course the Republicans had to find some othe excuse to stop the thing. So when the regular citizen's taxes go up guess who they're going to blame? They'll blame the Republicans and Tea Party members. Come voting time don't think most voters are going to forget. Just today they said as Congresses approval ratings go down the Presidents are going up. All your Republican bull won't change that.
redvirginia
Hypocrisy all over , Democrats receive money from the richest of this country.
Stop right there. If you want to carry the water and polish cars for the rich--go ahead. During Eisenhower, (Republican), the top earners were taxed at a rate of 91%. Ironically, the wealthy produced jobs and innovation was at peak. Now, people like Warren Buffett are paying 18% and he says he and his class is paying too little. The income gap widens, the jobs were sent abroad by wealthy industrialists and you're screaming "protect the rich!"
Tax their asses hard and heavy until they bring US jobs back. You guys get a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" and all think you're John Galt. The hypocrisy is abound. You folks damn OWS for speaking out against a rigged game and run that "poor rich people" diatribe down on us.
Not even close to buying it.
The House Republicans just slammed Mitch McConnell pretty hard. McConnell is trying to prepare the political ground so that Republicans can regain the Senate. Boehner and the House Republicans just shot that down.
The House has become so dysfunctional that even Republicans cannot work with it. Even if the Republicans regain complete control of the government - the Senate is not going to play second fiddle to the House. This is another fiasco that proves the House Republicans cannot even compromise with Republicans in the Senate.
Until the lunatic fringe is removed from the House, the government is going to lurch from one fiasco to the next debacle. If everybody wants Republicans to control the House - fine, go for it. At least put sane Republicans in the seats. The current bunch of lunatics is not accomplishing anything ...
It's obvious the only party willing to compromise is the republicans.
When will the democrat party give a little. Obama and his environmental loons are holding the tax cut extension hostage to please his radical base.
But no worries he will cave sooner or later like always.
Wow Rob...
In two simple statements you just contradicted YOURSELF.
Sad.
Rob, were you not paying attention? The Senate bill passed 89-10. How is that not compromise? How is that not bipartisan?
"When will the democrat party give a little.."
...to steal one from Barbara Walters: "WHAT???"
dirve by
Totally...and it takes a lot to rattle BW.
a two month extension???
I figured that was a joke. Right?
They can't be serious with that.
- First this was Obama's tax cut initiative that he REQUESTED for a YEAR in order to compromise on the Bush tax cuts. He wanted it extended for another year.
- Then suddenly repubs decided that tax cuts need to be paid for!!! (they previously said tax cuts are not spending)!
- Then they attached and tried to fast-track the Oil industry and Canadian energy export pipeline to it when that had nothing to do with the tax cuts and could have been done on its own merit (being supported by Unions and repubs at least).
- Then they attached even more poison pills into it that had nothing to do with the tax cuts.
- Then finally they got 90% of Senate to pass something and the President compromised on Keystone in it. And now Boehner reversed and doesn't want it anymore.
Roid
The only bipartisanship was to go home for vacation. A 7th grader can see that.
The only bipartisan agreement was to go home for the holidays! (lazy politicians) This cr@ppy bill was how they accomplished it!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
Fox facts???
Please - the reason this country is in the crapper is because of the New York Times and EVERY major network news channel annointing a total and complete incompetent to the Presidency of the United States back in 2008.
And the fix remains in as evidenced by the recent 60 Minutes interview in which Obama had the temerity to claim he was the 4th greatest President in US history.
Can you imagine if that had not been edited out? He would have looked like the fool that he truly is. The media will do anything and everything to protect this fraud in the White House.
WORST PRESIDENT EVER - RIGHT BEHIND CARTER!
How about we take a look at the full quote from the President...
Did he say he was "The 4th Best President Ever"? No...you guys interpreted it that way.
Rob THAT IS A LIE, plain and simple. HE NEVER SAID THAT.
This is how you folks spin your nonsense till you believe it and steer yourselves and the country wrong.
He said his legislative accomplishments have been a lot in response to questions about getting things done. And they have. But it makes no claims on being greatest. Legislations passed are only one measure of success.
Did he say he was "The 4th Best President Ever"? No...you guys interpreted it that way
How else can that be interpreted? And now that I read the qoute again it appears he is saying that he's the best president in modern times not just the 4th best.
And to boot not only is he a pitiful president, he sucks at history too. Johnson???? Oh man is he dumb!
The GOP is like a turd that want flush.
You read the actual quote again Rob and now you see more? Maybe one more read will help you? Wipe of the hatred and the weeks of negative hateful information seeking from your eye before that next read, will you?
Next time don't LIE about a quote or twist or change it. Just present it as it is and let others interpret it for themselves.
The GOP is doing this get a reasonable solution. History says that BHO would cave in, and he has to rely on Reid to sacrifice his carreer to save him, provided Reid does not cave.
The proposal from the House to the Senate should have been passed. For them to vote it down and propose a 2 month plan is foolsplay. The House rejecting this will force reconsideration on the Senate's part. The fact that the GOP in the Senate voted for this is regardless. The GOP in the house have history that says if they dig in their heels, the Dems will cave. And they have the backing of majority of American's who are for the pipeline, so their original proposal is not unpopular in the view of the American People.
I say they need to stick to their guns and force the issue as they are. Because they have a winning issue here that can get what they originally sought, which is popular with the American people, and the Dems will have to cave on.
The fact that the Senate already left for vacation when instructed to stay until the job was done will not go over big if the House stays in place to settle this only to have the Senate stay away. Who said anything was a done deal? What information was Reid using to send his Senate on vacation? What indication did he have that the House would pass this stopgap? Reid needs to stop assuming what will happen and actually do his job. To assume the House would pass this and release the Senate to vacation was a bad move.
ABO 2012
After typing that long, dsdsherm you forgot in your assertions that the Dems accepted the Keystone provision. LOL. Fantasy version of the events - that rests on contention that is no longer in dispute. What a waste of reading!
Rob - the dumb one here is NOT President Obama. It is the person interpreting his statement the way you do.
But as I understand it, it can be held up longer than the 60 days. If the bill is 1 year, it most certainly would get permitted by then.
In fact , here is a quote:
The State Department previously said it will not be able to review the project within 60 days and will almost certainly not approve it in that time frame, a senior administration official said Friday night.
The 60 days is another way to cave on the pipeline but actually not do it. I do not trust it would get accomplished and not become and issue in 60 day follow up.
Maybe that is why a 60 day term is being proposed. Unless it is for the full year, it is too easy to undo this. I still believe it is in dispute due to this short term. If it is not in contention, then why not go the whole 12 months?
There is a reason for the 60 day term being suggested. And this may very well be the reason.
ABO 2012
why dont any of you realize that the senate is not dismissed, they are showing up every few days to keep open. they are not in recess. so they should come in and discuss the bill. not stay home and stomp their feet like spoiled kids.
After the holidays, we are going to hear a collective cry throughout this nation, coming from the millions of people that Republicans have literally pulled their dinner plates from their dining room table, will have NO RENT MONEY, and Republicans will continue to refuse to feed UNLESS BIG OIL GETS THEIR PIPELINE FROM CANADA THRU TO TEXAS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO PAY FOR IT.
Ok Republicans, these are YOUR 2,000,000 soon-to-be hungry and homeless Americans, and they all belong to you! I see no "compassion" in your so-called "conservatism" which is nothing more than taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
It just wasn't enough for Republicans to crash our economy and eliminate MILLIONS OF JOBS in order to make themselves Iraqi Oil Barrons, NOW they have to starve the poor in order for Republicans to get their Oil Pipeline.
Disgusting!
Republicans, using the poor as "HOSTAGES" to try to force President Obama to "give in" if the President wants the poor to eat, he's going to have to GIVE the mega-billionaire Oil Barrons their pipeline!
WORST PRESIDENT EVER - RIGHT BEHIND CARTER!
Statement of a moron.
Sorry, worst prez ever goes to Bushie - he started the Iraq war for no good reason except to get finish what dad started. $850 billion later (gee sounds like the stimulus he also started), future expenses for the hurt soldiers - maybe another $1 trillion or so? 9 years and 4500 Americans dead, plus countless traumatized and hurt
As for blaming the prez (any prez) for this is silly. Have you never heard of balance of power? Congress is much more to blame for all the deadlock and grief than Obama. He should have spent his political capital from the 1st 2 years in office doing something like Roosevelt did with the CCC and fix the economy with JOBS, not the POS healthcare that got through.
I sure hope they pick a moron to run against Obama - Bachmann, Perry would be great - no way they could ever get elected. But the GOP middle will come to their senses and probably select Romney who has a chance to win.
AmericanGirl - quite an imagination. First, we should be paying our social security contributions, so this "tax cut" is the most irresponsible one in US history as it directly steals money from social security.
Second - 2 million people losing their unemployment payments does not make them homeless. Most of the folks that I know of that are still on unemployment are either part of a multi-income family or are already on other government programs. Many in Central California, where I live, receive their apartments completely rent free.
What exactly is the plan to restore our Social Security contributions?
What is the plan to get people working again (for something other than the government?).
How exactly do 13 jobs bills killed by King Harry make Republicans the party of NO?
We are 3 years into the Obama Kingdom, and we have no answers, no solutions, and please, blaming the minority party only proves what an abject failure Obama and Reid are as politicians. You see being partisan is not the solution, the art of compromise is. This is why Clinton and Newt were successful, and Obama, Reid and Pelosi will be proven to be the biggest mistakes in modern history.
a two month extension??? I figured that was a joke. Right? They can't be serious with that.
Thanks to the Republicans, we won't even get that. There is no way that the Republicans can dig themselves out of this hole. "The Democrats insisted on a two-month stop-gap measure, but we decided it was better not to have any tax cuts at all!" Yeah, explain how NO tax breaks are better than a two-month tax break (which everyone knows would have been extended by mid-February). The GOP goes out of its way to prevent tax breaks from expiring for the rich, but goes on vacation instead of helping out the middle class. I'm a life-long Republican, but I'm so disgusted with the GOP that I'm thinking about re-registering as a Democrat.
The Reps. want to make the deduction extend for a FULL YEAR, not the paltry 2 months that Obama is demanding. How can anyone NOT see that if Congress goes along with Obama the deduction will END after just 2 months. Obama doesn't want to address the pipeline issue until after the election. If he goes with it, the tree huggers will be mad and he'll risk losing their votes. If he goes against it, the Unions will be mad and he'll risk losing their votes.....so he just avoids any action on it until he's collected their votes. He doesn't care about the jobs or the environment...just whatever will benefit him. The pipeline will create many jobs for the MIDDLE CLASS. Everything with Obama is just "put a band aid on it" like extend it two lousy months, until he sees how it effects HIS ELECTION.
How can anyone NOT see that there's no way the tax cut (not a deduction, try to get this straight) would end after February, with just eight months to go to the general election. Of course it would have been extended. The only reason that it is set for two months is that the Democrats and Republicans couldn't agree how to pay for it (why do middle class tax cuts have to be paid for, but not those for millionaires?), so they punted on the issue until after Christmas. But, even if it wasn't extended, at least we would have had two months of a tax cut. Now, there will be zero. How can THAT scenario possibly help the economy?
Aggie made this exact same post in a response to a comment above. Please explain why you are forced to repeat yourself, Aggie?
Let's see, the House Republicans want to pass the payroll tax break for 12 months and the Dems want to extend it for 2 monts...so remind me who is trying to kill the economy and stick it to the middle class?
Whether it's two month or a year, makes no difference...neither are long term solutions to what ails us.
At least the Senate did something positive. Wait, maybe this is just a ploy by the Republicans to back into a tax increase and blame the Democrats!!!
Paul,
Please don't confuse them with logic ... it will lead to an all-out collapsing campaign of your post ! LOL !!
No the Dems want to extend it for two months to allow a better deal to be crafted since the House version DID NOT AND WILL NEVER PASS BOTH HOUSES right now.
So, what you are saying is that the Democratic-controlled Senate will not compromise, they will not pass it. The House of Representatives have already passed legislation to extend the payroll tax cut.
No the House of Rep passed a payroll tax cut that included a huge bunch of unacceptable stuff in it. On purpose. So it wont pass. Then 89 of 99 senators (including 40 of 47 repugs) knowing that will not pass, instead passed a two month extension instead of nothing (or a definite tax increase in January).
So then, you think the House needs to accept the Senate version ..... with all its UNACCEPTABLE STUFF in it ??
The Senate version was acceptable to 40 of 47 repubs. And 89 of 99 senators. It did not have anything in it that both sides couldn't live with.
- Even the President accepted a provision IMPOSED on him and the State department on evaluating Keystone (a borderline encroachment on the Constitutional separation of powers). But he let that go.
- And the Dems accepted to drop paying for it with 0.75% more taxes on the top 0.1% (many of who probably go the bailout and have had their incomes up through the recession adn through the past decade).
- Then the dems accepted the repug paying for it with increased mortgage fees.
Just for two months so taxes will not go up....
Take yes for an answer. You got Keystone. You go tax cuts that suddenly needed to be paid for and were. You even got $33b reduction in the deficit to boot. Not knowing when to stop pushing the line will undo you. Its the power that derives from hate - it keeps pushing, never sated...
So, what you are saying is that the senate passed version was ACCEPTABLE to the Senate ?
Wow ! Such unabashed brilliance ... what a score in logic ! A two-month extension does NOT solve the problem, junior.
That is NOT what I was saying. I think a higher logic score would help. Let's see: 40 of 47 repugs accepted the Senate version. Virtually all Democrats. And the President. Not so the House's which was along party line and was unacceptable to any other group save house repugs.
The Senate version was found ACCEPTABLE TO MOST REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND THE PRESIDENT.
Funny how your logic crumbles when you don't conveniently leave out anything.
Just because Senate GOP went along with it, does not mean it is a good plan or that it should pass. The Senate GOP has yet to show strength or conviction of cause. This go along with it attitude they have is not surprising. They are more concerned with their vacation, as are the Senate Dems.
I find it odd that the House can pass a 1 year plan, and it get voted down, and no attention gets paid. But then the Senate (after rejecting the House version) can put together an absolute stopgap and expect it will just pass. Tit for tat I say. So now the score is each branch has passed a version the other side voted down. Sit down and hammer out a deal. And none of this buy two months to get a REAL solution as we know how tha will end. It will become another 11th hour have to get something right now ordeal. No-one will address it till the 2 months are ready to expire.
All issues are fresh right now. The solution can be reached right now for the 1 year extension. And if it cant be reached now, it more than likely cant be in 2 months either. If it is important as everyone says it is, dont go on vacation, RESOLVE IT.
It appears the House is willing to do just that and resolve it in a manner that can be once and done rather than re-visit it later. The Senate needs to have the same conviction.
But the fact that 40 of 47 GOP in the Senate voted for it means nothing to me. That does not mean the bill is a good solution. It just means BOTH parties in the Senate are more worried about their vacation that passing legislation. And a 2 month plan is an implementation nightmare, a financial planning nightmare for businesses, and no solution at all.
Do your job and solve it for 12 months minimum or dont do it at all.
ABO 2012
Paul and dsdhern, again (since you clearly are not paying attention) the President wanted to extend it for 12 months and the GOP blocked it. So, in order to help people, the President and the Senate worked on a 2 month extension - again blocked by the nitwits.
Obama in 2012 (especially since the GOP is only running morons!)
Jim whatever,
I thought J Richter answered your previous question to a "T". What's the problem, you don't like facts? Doesn't fit your parties "my way or the highway" philosophy? I think you have the expression junior attached to the wrong person. Seems it should belong to you exclusively. Just saying!
Indie, talk about calling the kettle black. Fact: The House passed a 1 yr extension to the payroll tax holiday. Fact: The Senate rejected that bill and passed their own, 2 month extension. Fact: The House rejected a 2 month extension and told the Senate, we want a full year, now let's meet in committee and work this out. How is that "my way or the highway?" The pres wanted a 12 month extension, the House gave it to him. The Senate said no. Harry Reid said no! You're letting your Obama-crush affect any common-sense you may have, if any!
After the holidays, we are going to hear a collective cry throughout this nation, coming from the millions of people that Republicans have literally pulled their dinner plates from their dining room table, will have NO RENT MONEY, and Republicans will continue to refuse to feed UNLESS BIG OIL GETS THEIR PIPELINE FROM CANADA THRU TO TEXAS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO PAY FOR IT.
Ok Republicans, these are YOUR 2,000,000 soon-to-be hungry and homeless Americans, and they all belong to you! I see no "compassion" in your so-called "conservatism" which is nothing more than taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
It just wasn't enough for Republicans to crash our economy and eliminate MILLIONS OF JOBS in order to make themselves Iraqi Oil Barrons, NOW they have to starve the poor in order for Republicans to get their Oil Pipeline.
Disgusting!
Republicans, using the poor as "HOSTAGES" to try to force President Obama to "give in" if the President wants the poor to eat, he's going to have to GIVE the mega-billionaire Oil Barrons their pipeline!
@cutie,
No, the President wanted to pass for 12 months, and the House passed a version that did just that. The Senate (controlled by Dems) blocked it from happening.
Then the Senate (controlled by Dems) with the support of the GOP in their branch proposed 60 days.
So in essence, the Senate is the one suggesting 60 days. And the Senate is Dem controlled. The GOP in the Senate went along with them, and shouldnt have.
Clearly you are not paying attention. The POTUS wanted 12 months. The GOP proposed 12 months. The Dems killed it. And the Dems proposed 2 months as an alternative. The GOP is blocking this POS the Senate is proposing as they still want 12 months.
If anyone is blocking what the POTUS wants, it is his own party. The GOP in the House wants 12 months or no deal.
ABO 2012
@AmericanGirl,
Do you really believe $3 a day is going to make or break anyone? Where can you rent a place for $3 a day? That is the total sum of this "Tax Break"
Reality is BHO is holding the poor hostage to be his voting block. Keep them poor and reliant on Government and they will vote for the party giving away the goodies. It is a common Democrat theme.
And the pipeline benefits those that build it. It will create jobs that are desperately needed. The jobs it creates will be more beneficial than the $3 a day "Tax Break".
ABO 2012
dsdsherm Thats about eleven hundred dollars a year to a lower income family. Sounds like you make enough money, where eleven hundred dollars is pocket change to you. Everyone is not as rich as you. I know allot of people who are poor and not reliant on the the government. Some of them work two jobs to feed there family's. Let alone to try to send there kids to college. They are just as proud of what they have as you.
Smitty,
My response was in response to AmericanGirl claiming people would not be able to pay their rent or eat based on $3 a day. My contention was $3 was not going to cause such widespread gloom and doom. I know it is a nice stipend to lower income people. But I also know enough people struggling to know they still typically waste $3 a day even on the lower income spectrum. And I contend it will not be the make or break point for any income level. But then again this was before I saw she posted the same rant 5 times, so obviously just a mindless talking point and not worth the argument with her.
And I am far from rich. I just believe in fairness. And I have desires to become rich. I work at making myself more attractive to employers and honing skill that are desired. I make my own destiny. I dont wish to see the opportunity do the same denied to my children because of a class warfare mentality or because we spend away the wealth of this nation on programs while ignoring the needs of business to thrive while at the same time demonizing them as the enemy and chasing more and more away from our country to other more business friendly areas.
And I dont want to pay a larger share of my earnings I work so hard to achieve to support those that make poor decisions or do not have the same desire and drive as I do to succeed. While I try to lump all people into a group, I do know personally a lot of people who do not strive, do nothing to improve their skills, stay on unemployment and foodstamps and keep looking to the next extension rather than take a class, get a certification, or examine any means neccessary to thrive. I lost a job of 16 years in this recession. I was unemployed 5 months. In this time I studied and praticed and took tests to achieve new certifications in IT to make myself a more attractive candidate to potential employers. Others who were caught in the same layoff cycle as myself did nothing and are still unemployed.
I may be fortunate or lucky. Or maybe I have a different outlook on life and a differernt drive and desire. But regardless I feel any or all of us could have done the same. So now I get to be punished financially to support those who did not expend the same effort?
It is this mentality and reasoning that makes me a GOP supporter. I do not feel everyone tries at the same level and expect if someone is making huge money there is very likely a reason for this. While I dont have a problem with them paying a fair share, I feel we are already beyond fair when there is such a large pool not contributing to the fedederal income tax system.
If all were paying something, or at least a larger majority paying something, then I believe we have justification to ask a bit more of the top end. But until everyone has some skin in the game it is unfair to ask for more from those already paying.
And bottom line is it is a spending problem and no taxes should be sought until we first address the overspending issue.
ABO 2012
ABO 2012
Smitty-4183671...(#5.17)..."Thats about eleven hundred dollars a year to a lower income family"
Depends what your definition of "lower income " is...
One would have to make $55,000 a year for a 2% reduction in the Payroll Tax to equal $1,100 a year.
Obama grandstands that everyone will get those kinds of extra bucks in their paychecks....
$55,000 = $1,100/yr = $21.15 a week = $4.20 a day
$40,000 = $800/yr = $15.38 a week = $3.07 a day
$30,000 = $600/yr = $11.54 a week = $2.30 a day
And all this equals up to Billions NOT going into Social Security.....I contributed all my working life to pay the Benefits of your Parents and Grandparents...the ol' "pay it forward" thing. And now when it's my turn to collect, I get stabbed in the back....Social Security is an Inter-Generational Compact.....only this generation is not keeping up its end of the deal. And to make matters even worse from my perspective:
"Goss also noted that workers' future Social Security benefits would be unaffected because workers would be credited as if they paid the full 6.2% despite getting the payroll tax holiday.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/08/news/economy/Social_Security_payroll_tax_cut/index.htm
I guess my grandkids will have to pay an extra 2% over and above to fund the S.S.Trust Fund for those not paying their "FAIR SHARE" now... get credit for the full amount even though you don't pay the full amount....A little more Income Redistribution ???
"Fact No. 1: Last year, for the first time in its 75-year history, Social Security took in less money than it paid out.
Fact No. 2: This year, the first of the baby boomers reached retirement age and began collecting Social Security benefits.
Fact No. 3: The payroll tax holiday that Congress approved a year ago reduced Social Security's revenues this year by $105 billion."
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/07/143241709/how-payroll-tax-cut-affects-social-securitys-future
The Current shortfall to Social Security will have to be made up by The Treasury, which means, being that I still pay income taxes, now part of my taxes will go to pay me MY benefits....Wow, do I feel betrayed.
Get rid of the Payroll Tax Holiday ....I had to find a way to live on what I made...
And neither does a ZERO month extension, but two months would have been better than nothing. Perhaps home schools need to teach that two is greater than zero. That concept seems to elude many on here.
Get over it. Social Security revenue has been merged with general revenues for years now. There is no separate pot of money.
The republicans held these same things hostage before in order to get a 700 Billion Dollar tax break for the uber rich...which we tax payers had to borrow from China in order to pay them...
And now they are holding these payroll tax cuts, unemployment benefits and SS programs hostage again to gain approval on the pipeline deal that is awaiting EPA study approval...........they want the pipeline to go ahead WITHOUT the EPA study so the rich can get richer .... irregardless of the harm it will do to the environment.
Yes siree, the republicans are willing to risk it all to protect the new and growing wealth of the uber rich and to block all dealings with President Obama...........
it would seem they are willing to risk nothing for the 99%............we are the tool they use and abuse to champion the uber rich..........we, the 99%, are expendable matter in the quest for ultimate power and wealth for the 1%..............
the republicans are not friends of the 99%...........the republicans are the boogeyman.....they are the nightmare we just can't seem to wake up from...
In order to survive and as an act of true patriotism we must all act by voting them out of office for good....they must reap the seeds that they have sown....let them get work in the 1% sector, I hear they are enjoying a windfall tax break that is supposed to be creating jobs.
NO MORE REPUBLICANS.........THEY ARE BAD FOR AMERICA AND THEY ARE BAD FOR AMERICANS AND THEY ARE BAD FOR THE WORLD ECONOMY...
Enough already!
Mitch McConnell worked this deal so the Senate Republicans compromised with the Democrats. The deal was to remove provisions the Democrats opposed in exchange for only a two month extension. The Senate Republicans worked with the Senate Democrats to reach a compromise. McConnell is trying to change the perception that Republicans are obstructionists - to make a case for returning control of the Senate to Republicans.
Boehner and the lunatics in the House just stabbed McConnell in the back. The House opposition to the compromise strengthens the 'party of NO' message. It is one thing to shut down the government or default on the debt - but - allowing more money to be taken out of paychecks for taxes will send a very personal message.
Your paycheck is smaller because Republicans refused to compromise.
the whole reason for passing a two month extension instead of a one year extension is because the republicans are once again using the 99%'s needs as hostage to get the keystone pipeline ok'd without an environmental impact study............the needs of the uber rich are of more concern than the food, clothing and roof over the heads of the 99%.
The 2 month extension is so the 99% who are without funds to survive, because of the republican induced hell we are all experiencing, can get their desperately needed financial help before the programs run out and then republicans and the democrats can haggle over the items that are not related to the payroll tax cut and the unemployment benefits and the SS programs............
how can a person not get this?
Give those without their financial assistance now when they need it and fight your war over items unrelated to public assistance (and I understand, even though the President made it clear he would veto any legislation on the tax cuts and benefits and ss that did not come to his desk as a clean bill, there are a plethora of items the republicans have attached to this tax cut bill that have nothing to with tax cuts or unemployment benefits or saving SS programs).............
this idea that those who support republicans refuse to aknowledge that their party is holding assistance for desperate people as leverage to ensure that the uber rich get their pipeline and other items of interest to them and also cut programs to the 99% are simply proving how the republican party think as a single cell entity..........when a party you support has factions within it that act in a manner detrimental to the economic success of our nation and to the detriment of the health welfare and needs of our nations people it is time to stand up and say enough!..........time to demand they stop this insanity and stop hurting our nation and the 99% who pay for everything.........
man, people, grow a brain cell and think instead of being lead around by your noses while you are being robbed blind.........................republicans don't care about anyone in the 99%....they only care about the 1% who own them.
We should ask where the republicans compassion is, where their humanity is..........and what the hell Jesus would do if he could vote on this..............
history tells us Jesus would pass this 2 month extension, there by saving 160 million americans from dyer straights, and fight over the pork, the republicans have tacked on to the bill, over the 2 months of the extension and then pass a much longer extension at that time.
How can the Christian right wing be ok with this behavior?
Guess it is at times like these, when we are tested, that we really find out who walks the walk and who just talks the talk.............................
Jesus walked................seems most folks today just talk.
Christian right wing stand up and fight for the needy!!!!!!!!!!!
Barry-NJ.....(#5.21)..."Get over it. Social Security revenue has been merged with general revenues for years now. There is no separate pot of money."
You're dead wrong. In the POT are $2.6 TRILLION DOLLARS of IOU's from The Treasury
"In the United States, the Social Security Trust Fund is a fund operated by the Social Security Administration into which are paid payroll tax contributions from workers and employers under the Social Security system and out of which benefit payments to retirees, survivors, and the disabled, and general administrative expenses are paid."
"The Social Security trust funds are required by law to be invested in securities issued and guaranteed by the "full faith and credit" of the federal government. Thus, the trust funds are intra-governmental debt. These securities can be redeemed as needed to make benefit payments when contributions derived from payroll taxes and self-employment contributions are no longer are sufficient to fully fund benefit payments. (The controversy over whether the U.S. government is capable of redeeming the trust fund assets is a topic of the sustainability of the unified Federal budget.)"
"The trust funds are "off-budget" and treated separately in certain ways from other federal spending, and other trust funds of the Federal Government. From the U.S. Code:
The trust funds run surpluses in that the amount paid in by current workers is more than the amount paid out to current beneficiaries. These surpluses are given to the U.S. Treasury (and thus become part of the general federal budget) in exchange for special U.S. government securities, which are deposited into the trust funds. If the trust funds begin running deficits, meaning more in benefits are paid out than contributions paid in, the Social Security Administration is empowered to redeem the securities and use those funds to cover the deficit."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Trust_Fund
Now, go back and read my 3 FACTS about Social Security"
And NO, I'm not going to "get over it".....All you seem to care about is the extra $7 dollars a week in your paycheck.
Clinton and the Republicans worked together to solve problems, but does everyone remember when Obama and the Democrats had a majority for the first two years and they literally locked the Republicans out of any
discussions about Health Care and Stimulus. Obama stated “we won, we call the shots”
This arrogant, lazy do-nothing president, needs to stop his Marxist whining and pass the House bill.
Mike in Delray - Please don't confuse Barry with facts. Once the liberals get it in their minds that the repubs are doing all they can to undermine the economy they are hard to convince otherwise. The dems, call their version of tax relief a tax "holiday" but when the repubs introduce some tax relief it is a tax "break". When the dems want the tax break to end they call it expiring. When the dems see their tax holiday about to expire - it's now a tax increase. After obama gets the tax holiday to go through and pushes for an extension he still insists that it is the repubs that are trying to undermine Social Security. Whether the repubs are trying or not, the dems are actually succeeding in undermining the SS fund.
The dems are whining that the repubs won't pass the Senate bill - take it or leave it. But they refuse to accept the House bill. So why all of the focus on the Senate bill - oh yeah, the Senate all left town. they knew it wouldn't pass but if they aren't available for comment they are responsible.
Limp Boehner takes on a whole new meaning .... lol
The GOP Tea Retards - The party of dysfunction, pumpkin-head blew up the deal bowing to the most radical, the dirtbags in Congress called the T-Nuts or Retards.
My Wish for Christmas! That my children never ever have to depend on the government to feed them selves or their familys. To make this wish come true my wife and myself are teaching our kids to not only work hard but to work smart. That means be the best at your job. Be the one who leads the way not the one following. We will teach them how to work with their hands and their minds. Put yourself in a position to be successful by making smart decisions. Learn from your mistakes and don't make the same mistake twice. We are teaching them to spend their money wisely. Do not confuse what you want with what you need. Live within your means.
Both my wife and myself come from parents who grew up poor and none of our parents went to college. In fact only one out of the four parents finished high school. My mom later got her GED at age 55 because she just wanted to do it. They were all sucessful and provided a good life for their family. No one gave them anything. They earned every dollar they have. We hope to pass that work ethic along to our children.
My worst nightmare would be one of my kids having to depend on a vote in Washington to give them a couple extra bucks a week be a big deal to their financial situation.
I was wrong. I wasn't aware that the SS funds had been taken off-budget in the early 90's. But, I'll stick with my premise. Get over it. It is amazing how people who are so adamant that the wealthy shouldn't be taxed a little more (or should receive even bigger tax breaks) become such fiscal conservatives when it comes to tax breaks for the middle class.
The republicans have the option of passing a clean bill containing only the payroll tax cut, the unemployment benefits package and the SS program assistance or
trying to pass the same bill filled with pork for the 1%.
PASS A CLEAN BILL AND HELP THESE DESPERATE AMERICANS....!!!!!
Whether struggling Americans get relief or not is all on this republican congress....they can pass a clean bill in less than 24 hours....
FIGHT OVER THE PORK LATER...........
It is obvious that the republicans are willing to take money away from the 99% in need in order to ensure more wealth for the 1%...........
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!......................GET RID OF THESE TREASONOUS UNAMERICAN CHAMPIONS OF THE 1%.....BY GETTING RID OF THEM WE SAVE OURSELVES AND AMERICA AND BY SAVING AMERICA WE SAVE OURSELVES...CATCH 22.................THE KEY IS GETTING RID OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.......
LOTS OF NEW PARTIES WAITING TO BE BORN AMID THE ASHES OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY......THE DAWN OF A NEW DAY....
VOTE ALL REPUBLICANS OUT OF OFFICE.
As George W. Bush once said............."YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US."...........and the republican party has proven repeatedly they are most stridently AGAINST US, THE 99%.
Make no mistake this is not about 2 months or 12 months or even getting help for desperate Americans...........this is about pork for the 1%...................
The truth is out. Boehner and the GOP/Tea Party DO NOT CARE about the people. Their ONLY goal is to make President Obama look bad so they can try to win the 2012 Presidential election. Their problem is the public NOW knows that the conservatives without consciences are willing to throw the people who elected them down the river to focus only on the extreme 1%ers and large corporations. This makes Grover Norquist's pledge of not raising taxes null and void because they are going to raise the taxes of the 99ers by not passing the extension of the tax payroll holiday. The GOP are self-interest, egotistical idiots.
Obama requires absolutely NO ASSISTANCE in looking bad ! He is inept and detached.
Gingrich would destroy Obama in a debate. In case you have been asleep for some time, Cain is out of the race.
I noticed you failed to mention Gingrich at all .... a little nervous there are we ?
Then, of course, a libtard attck on Mitt Romney and his religion, which, quite honestly, no one but the self-proclaimed "liberals" seems to be concerned with.
No way no how would Gingrich stand up to the President in a debate. Let's face it, Gingrich will never be President and anyone who thinks so is a fool.
Obama wouldn't even have to respond - Gingrich would destroy himself in a debate.
Take away Obama's teleprompter, and Gingrich, or any other candidate would kill Obama/
Dasvet,
Like who? Libra....give me a minute, have allot of stuff swirling around up there..Paul Revere....lets see, no that not what he done.....Oooops........We'll give kids jobs letting them sweep and mop the bathrooms......Flip-Flop..Flip-Flop......racial #1, too many to list.......moderate, no we can't have him.....I'll sign up to debate with Trump's reality show... Really, who?
You people really are brain-dead. The Repub House wants to give the Middle-class a 12 month payroll tax holiday. The Senate wants to give them a 2 month holiday and then "re-visit" it in Feb! That's chicken $Hit!!!! If the tax holiday is not extended, it WILL BE HARRY REID and the Dumbocrats' fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After the holidays, we are going to hear a collective cry throughout this nation, coming from the millions of people that Republicans have literally pulled their dinner plates from their dining room table, will have NO RENT MONEY, and Republicans will continue to refuse to feed UNLESS BIG OIL GETS THEIR PIPELINE FROM CANADA THRU TO TEXAS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO PAY FOR IT.
Ok Republicans, these are YOUR 2,000,000 soon-to-be hungry and homeless Americans, and they all belong to you! I see no "compassion" in your so-called "conservatism" which is nothing more than taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
It just wasn't enough for Republicans to crash our economy and eliminate MILLIONS OF JOBS in order to make themselves Iraqi Oil Barrons, NOW they have to starve the poor in order for Republicans to get their Oil Pipeline.
Disgusting!
Republicans, using the poor as "HOSTAGES" to try to force President Obama to "give in" if the President wants the poor to eat, he's going to have to GIVE the mega-billionaire Oil Barrons their pipeline!
Gingrich would DESTROY Obama in a debate because he knows history, he's smarter than the idiot in chief. The IiC only sounds smart due to his teleprompters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You think Gingrich is dumb only because you don't like his political philosophy...that's an indication of your own ignorance! "I don't agree with you so you must be stupid?" Well, then all of you liberals are just that...stupid!
AmericanGirl,
You can post the same thing over and over, it wont make it any more believable. And what exactly does this bill have to do with the poor being able to eat? I dont see it adressing foodstamps or anything of that nature in it?
Obviously you are stuck on the standard Dem talking points regardless of the subject matter. We get it. You worship BHO. He can do no wrong. He will feed the poor. He will walk on water. He will just give give give to the needy. No-one will be homeless and unemployment will run forever to take care of the downtrodden.
And in the meantime we have no funds to pay for all these wonderous things he will do.......
ABO 2012
I can't figure out why the Republican posters here don't understand this bill. The first one year bill passed by the house had all kinds of junk in it. It is not clean. So, the Senate cleaned it up and passed the two month bill that was clean. That way a compromise was reached.
However, the tea baggers pressured the weeper of the house and he caved, and now he keeps saying we want the one year bill, but he fails to mention the junk within the bill.
Come on people wake up.
@daryl #6.4,
Go ahead put your money on Obama, all of it ! A fool and his money are soon parted !!
Obama has contradicted Obama so many times .... merely pointing out his inconsistencies could be quite humorous !
Gitmo is still open.
The "health care debates" were NOT televised on C-Span as Obama so loudly proclaimed !
Then, there's his missile assault on Libya after saying, a few years before, that no President should attack a country without congressional approval where our national security interests were not at risk.
Then, of course, Obama promised to REDUCE the National Debt within a few years after getting into office. He has actually increased it at an increasing rate !
Yes, all ANY Republican debater would have to do would be to show Obama contradicting Obama. Of course, Newt Gingrich could take him well beyond that.
jwilson1234
You folks on the right are so out of touch. Gingrich doesn't know history. Instead, he makes up history. President Obama would destroy Gingrich in the debates and in the general election.
That is something you can bet your $10,000 on.
Yes, I sure Obama can tell us the history of all 57 states ! A fool and his money are soon parted .... then the fool wants government assistance.
jwilson1234 - Gingrich does not know history. He keeps telling people he is a historian but his grasp of history is selective, shallow and completely lacking in context and trends. Just because he says he is smart with an air of authority doesn't mean he really is. My father used to say he could take over an Army base with a clip board, a legal pad and an air of authority - that's Newt.
Job1,
Then answer me this. Why didnt the Senate just clean it up and pass it for 12 months? Why reduce it to 60 days? If they had kept it at 12 months, what issue could the House have with passing it?
There is an motive in reducing the term of the extension to 60 days. And that is what is being rejected. If the Senate was just trying to clean up the "junk" as you say, they should have cleaned it and left it at 12 months and sent it over for vote. After all, the POTUS and the GOP House both stated they wanted 12 months.
There is monkey business going on here.
ABO 2012
Newt has a doctorate and was a history professor! He doesn't know history? Unlike Obama who claims he was a constitutional law professor - not quite. He was a visiting lecturer, not a professor. Big difference!
Newt was all but thrown out of the House as Speaker by his own party. LOL Obama, well let me see. Oh yeah! He got Bin Laden!
Thanks to the intel gathering tactics he opposed as a Senator and also thanks to the military who overwhelmingly despise the current Commander-in-Chief!!!! Also, this one good deed (allowing the Seals to take out Bin Laden) is irrelevant with respect to his intelligence or debate performance....
6.21 LOL, nice try. Bush disassembled the team he had gathered to look for Bin Laden remember? AFTER Obama was elected, he re assembled the team and gave instructions to get him! Remember? Oh I dont suppose you remember all those other al quaida leaders we took down under Obama either? And it would seem your opinion is in the minority based on the above stats. But like I said, nice try. Might impress someone who already has a bias but that is about it.
Wow, a conservative opinion in a Huffington Post story? Never would have thought that. And the only ones impressed by Obama are brain-dead morons who cannot put forth a logical defense for his piss poor record!!!
Anita, sounds like you're describing Obama, not Gingrich!!!! Obama actually thinks his admin's record could stand up to any pres' record save but 4? C'mon...he had to buy off members of his own party to get the health care bill passed...we're in our 2nd yr of operating without a budget, just CR after CR...a failed stimulus plan that wasted money, wasted money to corporations led by his supporters....the only one whose record this resembles is Carter's...one of the worse in history!!!! But, hey, you keep drinking the kool-aid, girl, and keep cashing your welfare checks....papa Obama will make sure you, your children, your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren, etc., will keep getting them...!!!!
When was the last time politics put food on your table?
I only wish political corruption in the US would improve to the Mexican level.
Oh, lordy, the inmates are lose again.
Kick Them All Out... Especially Bohner
I agree.
Kick them ALL out!
And don't forget Reid and Obama...
Yes they need to all be kicked in the — — — and out the door. They don't give a crap about the poor or middle class. They can take their vacations, eat their fancy meals, make mega bucks . We are nothing to them, we can work our asses off and now they want more money out of our checks. But there is more coming, they also want to down size deductions for 2012 which they will try to pass, so if you own a home , toss your interest deduction in the toilet too. In the end we are screwed once again.
After the holidays, we are going to hear a collective cry throughout this nation, coming from the millions of people that Republicans have literally pulled their dinner plates from their dining room table, will have NO RENT MONEY, and Republicans will continue to refuse to feed UNLESS BIG OIL GETS THEIR PIPELINE FROM CANADA THRU TO TEXAS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE TO PAY FOR IT.
Ok Republicans, these are YOUR 2,000,000 soon-to-be hungry and homeless Americans, and they all belong to you! I see no "compassion" in your so-called "conservatism" which is nothing more than taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
It just wasn't enough for Republicans to crash our economy and eliminate MILLIONS OF JOBS in order to make themselves Iraqi Oil Barrons, NOW they have to starve the poor in order for Republicans to get their Oil Pipeline.
Disgusting!
Republicans, using the poor as "HOSTAGES" to try to force President Obama to "give in" if the President wants the poor to eat, he's going to have to GIVE the mega-billionaire Oil Barrons their pipeline!
I just hope after the hollidays we wont have to hear you say the same thing over and over and over again.
Your talking point tape seems to be stuck. Please advance to your next platitude.
ABO 2012
American Girl must be a blonde.
dsd herm sorry pal we have already heard your ABO until we are sick of it . get a clue dude either get on board for America , or go elsewhere .
Yes, herm, carpenter 7 says you must "either get on board for America or go elsewhere." You must GET ON BOARD and do whatever Obama wants..... no matter how ill-conceived, no matter what the long-term ramifications to our country's financial stability are ..... you have been TOLD to "get on board" because independent thought is not allowed here.
I wonder if "carpenter 7" is a union guy. I wonder if "carpenter 7' gets on board for whichever leftist candidate the unions tell him to vote for. I wonder if GM has told its workers to "get on board" because the federal government still partly OWNED them.
Dude, I have already heard Obama's divise, class-warfare until I am sick of it. He does not unite this country.
Please explain why if 2 months is good...why in haides wouldn't 12 months be better? I really don't care personally but if yall can stop the day to day BS please enlighten me?
Exactly what I thought all you leftys are too busy ticking each others pube hair.
The President and the Democrats want 12 months. Repubs would only allow it if they add poisonour provisions into it Dems will not agree to. So the Senate (89 of 99 senators) passed the two months to allow those issues be worked out. The 12 months right NOW WILL NOT PASS.
Also, in the past, repubs told everyone tax cuts didn't need to be paid for. And they never paid for any. They suddenly demanded this one be paid for then proceeded to plan to pay for it in disagreeable ways, including increase in mortgage fees and more Oil industry appeasement initiatives.
Please get the full context and think this through for yourself.
poisonous provisions...like a pipeline that Obama would have to approve or veto that might create jobs? How many poisonous provisions are attached to ALL bills? Like extending UI to lazy people that won't work?
Shame on you for that comment: "UI to lazy people that wont work".
Unemployment is being paid by me (and workers) every month. REMEMBER ONLY THOSE WHO USED TO WORK AND LOST IT GET IT! (and there are rules as to how long they were on the job and what their pay scale was, etc). If the Lord forbid I find I need this at some point rather than my family be out on the street I am happy someone had the wisdom to setup this provision. As I move longer into my working life of course I start to amass more savings such that I would need this less and less. But this is a provision that has helped build America's economy by removing some of the risk in taking a new job or starting a new venture. We have more new ventures and dynamic risk taking in our job economy than almost any other nation on earth since this provisions were put in placeQ
can't find work for over 99 WEEKS????????????????
Then you ain't lookin too hard my friends
or
your a liberal progressive (code word for problem employee; chronic complainer, ie occupier)
Meanwhile...back in the real world...
Almost 20 million ABLE-BODIED formerly EMPLOYED AMERICANS are at this moment either unemployed or underemployed.
Even though I'm a rich'un and live in a multi-million dollar co-op, some of my rich'un neighbors have been out of work for over 2 years. Of course now that I know that they and the other SEVENTEEN or so MILLION unemployed just aren't looking hard enough...
I guess they could forget about that silly career thing-y they were working at for a couple, three DECADES or so and see if there's some minimum wage, part-time work wrapping gifts at MACY'S...
Listen yo Rob you lazy bums! Look harder...
Merry Christmas Mr Scroo...er, Rob...;)
I guess there's no tough economy or a recession anymore then, Rob. It ended since the previous doofus left with everything crashed and he had to do the bailout - first time in history on Oct 2008.
The economy has since created enough jobs under Obama such that ANYONE "lookin too hard" will find it and work. What then is your problem? Go on contradict yourself Rob.
Hi J. Richter, Let's face it, these radical Right folks are pretty thick when it comes to reason.
J. Richter
You, are upsetting the other side. You keep speaking the truth, and using facts.
They do not care about the average person, or family. They only care about the rich.
They only hate facts. And the working class. You however, do speak for me. thank you!
Rob in MA:
May God strike you jobless just so you can choke on your words.
TO: Justredd who wrote:
Because what Republicans want is for the American Taxpayers to pay for an Oil Pipeline to be built from Canada to Texas for the mega-rich oil companies so that Big Oil can move their Iraqi Oil closer to their homes in Texas. Big Oil is bringing the Iraqi Crude through the North Atlantic and need to get it down to Texas Refineries, and, as always, Big Oil wants the American Taxpayers to pay for it.
So, essentially what Republicans are saying is, if President Obama wants to stop more than 2,000,000 Americans from being hungry and homeless come January, the President Obama has to agree to pay for the pipeline or Republicans will NOT agree to extend benefits to the long-term unemployed.
That's it.
AmericanGirl= F in logic. The pipeline is to be paid for from other funds ... NO U.S. money involved ! I think Canada is paying for it or the pipeline company itself.
Im just glad she shifted off the last message. Even if her next one is equally misinformed, it is refreshing that she is not still repeating the last message.
ABO 2012
Look dummy Canada has said the pipeline would flow south
to Texas or west to Asia. You and other like minded people here don't
have a frigging clue. You are an embarrassment. To humanity..
J Richter, you need to learn to spell. Your stupidity is glaringly apparent.
The House republicans rejected the Senate's bi-partisan 2 month extension because then they can't impose a looming deadline to force an issue. They know the democrats will cave at the 11th hour and give them whatever they want. I think it's stupid, because in February you will have GOP primaries going on and a new fight will give each side fresh policial fodder. The republicans have the most to gain from brinksmanship, which is why we see all these bone-headed moves from Congress. They are squandering the opportunity.
Also there are two things to remember about when they discuss the pipeline. First, when they say it will create a certain number of jobs, they are talking about job years. In other words, if the same person holds the same job job for 2 years, they have held "2 jobs". Likewise if 2 people occupy the same job for 6 months each, together they have only held "1 job." The second is that once the thing is built, the majority of the jobs created will vanish (construction jobs.)
Does anyone remember this kind of fight when it came to extending tax cuts for the 1%...???
Hopefully, we will elect some people this coming year who will actually represent the 99% of us who need the help.
Conservatives are goin down!
That's right...have the government take the more successful people's money...that will make your life better...doesn't matter you could confiscate all of their income and still be running a deficit, it will make you feel better b/c they were smarter than you and figured out how to make more coin....I paid over $45,000 in federal/state/SS/medicare taxes on $135,000 gross income....that's more than enough for the government and the lazy $hit's that don't pay anything...
An yet Paul,
Thirty of the largest corporations in America paid an average of -6.9% Tax.
Buffets secretary paid more percentage in tax than did Buffet himself.
We have had the largest percentage shift in wealth since the turn of the century.
Half of all Americans are considered poor.
Is this the path you wish for America? No middle class? Only poor who end up paying nothing because they have nothing?
Really?
and obumbles can hold 10k campaign dinners and offer his business adviser, GE, tax free benefits.. and allow them to ship jobs overseas!
Just who iskidding who!
Poor Paul, your forced to live on $90,000 a year. I bet you can barely put food on the table. Do you have trouble paying your electric bill? Don't you just hate putting your children to bed hungry? You make me sick!
Ah Omega, we either have the rich and those trying to get rich, or the government elite and the rest of us....I prefer the former...BTW, the Ryan plan would lower the actual rate and eliminate tax deductions and loopholes. The reason corps don't pay much is that they pay it on profits!! So, they use all these deductions so their profits are minimal. And, regarding Buffet, he can pay more if he wants. And, no, I don't think taxing capital gains at greater than 15% is fair. 90% of capital gains earings are on profits from revenues already taxed. And, the investors are taking the risk. Why should the government (and others it supports) benefit from a risk someone took with their own money?
My America is everyone has a chance. And, most do today. Plenty of people come from meager beginings to be successful. So, don't tell me it can't happen. What Obama wants is that if I do well, the government is entitled to it to share in what I make/earn and give it to others...blatant theivery...
Yo Harley Guy-- You can royally kiss my a$$...I worked through college (paid my own way), didn't party, studied, had four different jobs before settling into my career. Busted my tail working 60 hours a week getting ahead, etc. And YOU think you are entitled to the fruits of my hard work! More than 1/3 of it? Hell no....Yes, I live a decent lift. But, I busted my tail to get there.
You sir, make me sick and what's wrong with this country. Jealous of others doing well for themselves because you aren't as successful. So, you want the government to take more of what I earn and give it to others. $45,000 isn't enough....tell me what is if you are so clarvoient...if you even know what that word means...
Harley guy is a typical obama supporter or panhandler as is the more accurate term.
Daryl and Harley are obviously compensating for something with all that aggression and anger!
Pitiful!
LOL!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Fair Share Fair Share Fair Share Blah Blah Blah
The ONE inescapable fact is almost HALF the country pays NO federal income tax. And the same percentage of Americans receive some type of government assistance.
What this country truly needs is more tea party type conservatives in Washington to stop this madness.
Liberalism is a mental disorder and needs to be eradicated. If I wanted to live in Greece I would move there. If you think their way of doing things is right then head on over.
This is AMERICA! Land of the Free (not freeloaders)
More likely took unfair advantage of others and made "more coin" from the backs and effort of the less fortunate.
See Paul, part of what OWS is about is just that... those who have cheated, taken advantage of others, and committed other imoral acts for the sake of another dollar, regardless of the consequenses. Most have not played by the rules, always been fair and equitable with others, nor conformed to the moral code espoused in the Bible; THEN they play the religious morality card to justify their dispicable behaviour, taking a self-righteous position and rationalizing what they've done is okay. WRONG!!! It is NOT okay if someone else is harmed in any way.
Now, you take umbrage at the mention of your 90k/yr net, but the question was legit: were you hungry, or cold, or unable to see a doctor, or had to walk anywhere with that income? Well, there are thousands in THIS country (not to mention the world!) who do suffer those ailments. Lazy? Mostly not... simply unfortunate or physically restricted, or TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF by people in YOUR financial situation, in most cases. Worship of the dollar and the "I, Me, Mine" mind set will be the downfall of America, IMO. (Hope I am wrong.) At any rate, healthcare and fairness for ALL citizens must be the direction of our nation, I believe; it truly makes no sense to do otherwise (as the House & Republicans seem to not believe.) Remember: some day YOU may find yourself in similar postion as the "lazy" people you posted about due only to circumstances beyond your control... it happens = too often!
Any way, Merry Christmas to you. Hope you and yours have a good one! (There will be MANY in America who probably will not enjoy much of a "good one.")
part of what OWS is about is....
And of course the other bigger part is those that expect their student loans to be completely forgiven and to be given a living wage ($30/hr an up) job without actually truly working for it.
Again, Daryl and Harley, you are typical judgemental libs. Tell me what my "fair share" is? Please. I'd love to know. You have no idea that I participate in Habitat for Humantity, donate time at the YMCA, provide donations to the Wounded Warrior Project, donate to my church give money to homeless people when I see them.
And how do you make this society better? Why do you trust the government, that has absolutely no obligation to anyone to make decisions for your life. At least in the private sector, we do have to make a profit. When a company makes a bad product, they don't raise their prices like the government does, they lower them.
What I totally resent are people like you that expect me to bail out people that were partying when I was studying and making stupid decisions while I was making smart ones. There are very few Republicans on the planet that don't believe in a safety net. But, in the same token, just like my daughter, if I give her something, she doesn't appreciate it and takes it for granted. If she works for it, she's much more judicial in her spending habits and helps her make better decisions.
If she works for it, she's much more judicial in her spending habits and helps her make better decisions.
This is why poverty is generational. Kids without guidance without a work ethic model are locked out from the american dream. Newt was right. He echoed Bill Cosby and got trashed for it.
Today, we have a President that accepts no responsibility for where we are instead he demonizes success and tells the masses that their problems are because of the rich.
What a disgrace!
Hey rob,
I know, your party likes to give kids jobs.....moping and sweeping floors in the school bathrooms....what are you training them for, future house servants for your wealthy. As for the President...no doubt in my mind he does allot more than you with allot less "bitch$ng".
Folks, a lot of you are missing what is the actual problem here. The issue that needs addressing is single item legislation. We need a law mandating one item per bill only. It'll increase the workload, but who thinks Congress members are overworked now? This House/Senate problem came about because of the add ons to the bill. Each side says they want a 12 month extension, but they disagree on the extras that are being thrown in.
You want a tax cut, vote on it and nothing else. You want a pipeline, vote on it and nothing else. This makes it easier to see who really stands for what.
Paul:
You're an ass. No one is talking about or proposing to take (tax) any more of your money so stop acting like such a victim. Its the uber rich (which you are not) and corps that aren't paying a fair share and its not just for "entitlements" - it's needed for investing in our country's future i.e. infrastructure, education, research etc. all of which will create jobs and a future for the Americans that need work and have a dream that the next generation will fare better than the last. Remember the "American dream?"
Sarah ignores the "Code of Honor" again ..... quickly delving into name-calling another who posts here.
If she were a conservative, she would be suspended. Because she is not, I wonder if she will even get a slap on the wrist.
WHO DECIDES Sarah, who decides what is "fair" ? About 47% pay nothing in federal income tax while the top 10% pay about 70% of the load. Do YOU decide, Sarah ? Does Obama appoint YOU as czar over "wealth redistribution" ??
TO: Paul-4412303 who wrote:
"...I paid over $45,000 in federal ...taxes on $135,000 gross income....that's more than enough for the government and the lazy $hit's that don't pay anything..."
Excuse me, but don't blame us if you filed your taxes late and got hit with penalties, late charges and interest.
FYI: It's NOT the poor or the unemployed and/or underemployed people who don't pay anything, IT'S THE RICH who are getting a free ride.
Unemployment is taxable income, my notsobright friend.
TO: Paul-4412303 who wrote:
Excuse me, but don't blame us if you filed your taxes late and got hit with penalties, late charges and interest.
FYI: It's NOT the poor or the unemployed and/or underemployed people who don't pay anything, IT'S THE RICH who are getting a free ride.
Unemployment is taxable income, my notsobright friend.
TO: jim-1455434 who wrote:
Jim, you're kidding yourself. The top 10% are the ones getting big tax breaks. It's folks like me and Paul-4412303 wo pay about 70% of the load (for reasons I set forth in my post to Paul #11.20 above -- I do the same thing he does, I file late and get hit with penalties, late charges and interest which comes out to just roughly 1/3 of all the money we made all year).
Likewise, people who collect unemployment ALSO pay taxes on THAT money.
The only people getting away without paying ANY taxes, are the uber-rich. Yep, that Top 1% operate tax free.
FYI, MSNBC didn't ask to see our Voter Registration Cards in order to post here, so they don't know who's-who, but they probably CAN tell the difference between "hate speech" and someone just be adamant.
Republicans are often equated with "hate speech" and Democrats are often equated with being "adamant".
to Paul-4412303 Question you seem to be blaming all those taxes even state local ones all because of the Federal Gov and how much is federal taxes of that $45K you paid ? How high was your taxes before the tax cuts? Did your other than federal taxes go up when you got your federal tax cut? Do you think all of your federal taxes just pay for people on welfare/seniors/disabled on SS? None went to pay for our military or federal workers who many are Vets and repubilicans like the ones in congress or for the roads you drive on? would be willing to recieve not a single Gov service local, state or federal service do away with the military, all law enforcement, judges, jails, prisons, customs let all drugs/bad people ,terroists flow unchecked into the US? No ballots or equip to use to vote with also paid for with taxes. ask your self how much higher it would cost you than $45k if you had to pay no taxes and had to pay private sector for ALL the services Gov provides.
Could you afford a fort with guards to live in to protect you and yours from crime how would you get to and from work with no roads? Could you afford to pay for for profit schools for your kids? How would they get to school? etc etc. If we just got rid of just the so called entitlement programs you may save 2k in taxes a year at best. How much higher would you pay in medical prices if the only income the insurance and medical fields got was from the non paid for with taxes paying customers with no dollars coming in to them from gov employees or the effects that having another 80 to 100 million people with no jobs that tax funds pay for in both public and private sectors next time you say your upset because you pay 45k in taxes try to see what it would be like if you did notand everyone esle did not.
IT'S THE RICH who are getting a free ride.
So says American Girl and President Failure.
Good luck with that campaign strategy. Let's burn all the rich people at the stake. Maybe since Obama decided to follow Bush's footstep on so many things he can steal one of his lines and call the rich "EVIL DOERS" too.
The only people getting away without paying ANY taxes, are the uber-rich. Yep, that Top 1% operate tax free.
I would ask for a source on that qoute American Girl but why bother when I know it's total horse sh&t.
@American Girl #11.21,
Where do I start ? If you are not smart enough to file on time, and presumably have your taxes paid in on time, then you can only blame yourself .... whether you are too lazy to file on time or whatever. Interest and penalties on taxes ARE NOT TAXES.
Furthermore, this concept that only the "uber rich" top 1% pay NO TAXES ...."operate tax free" as you claim is simply preposterous. Prove it or we will all know of your attempted distortion ! PROVE IT !
Your claim that Paul files late and pays penalties and taxes is truly amazing. I have not seen him admit as such, and must therefore assume it is a product of your vivid (and possibly drug-induced) imagination ! What are you smoking there today ? Are you hitting the bong pretty heavy ??
Sarah,
We keep losing jobs overseas and you keep spouting the line that the corps are not paying their share.
We have the 4th highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. Can you not see that that MAY be contributing to us losing business base? And you want to make it higher?
Reality is that it is a world market. The only way we will slow the movement of jobs overseas is to make the tax rate competitive with the rest of the world, or better yet, lower to attract business to come here. But all we can focus on is increasing the taxes.
If we would wake up, we have to realize we cannot sustaint he spending at the current level. Even with increased taxes we cannot maintain this level of spending. But we never hear of proposals to eliminate un-needed departments, programs or any sending cuts at all. Even the cuts proposed are not cuts, just reductions in the amount of annual increase.
Until we get realistic and realize massive cuts in spending are the only path to survival we will never be able to have a robust economy again. Expanding government and increasing taxes on the rich and corporations will just make the situation worse. Your reliance on spending at 25% of GDP and increasing taxes is what is killing the possibility of the American Dream.
ABO 2012
So, if I get $500 in unemployment from the government and then pay $75 back in taxes, I can claim that I'm not dependent on the government because I pay taxes, right? (Just ignore that other $425)
TO: JC-1439099 who wrote:
If all a person made in 1 year is $500 how much do you THINK they're supposed to pay in taxes, all of it?
Paul,
After taxes, that's still about double what I earned in gross income last year. I went to college same as you, got a science degree, paid my own way though, currently work 60 - 80 hours/week. I barely make ends meet for my family in our spartan lifestyle, because the median income for my area is $70K. What do you think I should be paying in taxes? Also, you misspelled clairvoyant.
So you think that someone on unemployment would only make $500 in a year? Only if they got a job after the first week.
This is actually fun. And sad all at the same time. First, I did not pay any penalties, filed on time. I'm single, no mortgage deduction and have one child. Federal tax was $25,000 of that total.
To all of you that say I got mine...well, I earned mine. I have NO PROBLEM paying taxes. I hate paying for waste. I HAVE NO PROBLEM, helping out others. I hate some politician (and some of you) for demonizing me in being successful. For those of you less fortunate or have lower paying jobs, I'm sorry, but how is that my fault or the governments responsibility?
Frankly, get the federal government to do what it's supposed to do, basically national defense and basic goal setting. Offer $500 million rewards to companies that sucessfully build effecient solar systems, don't play venture capitalist. Let me put a portion of my SS in my own private account and use the balance for other that are less fortunate. Make my private health insurer offer up 10% pro bono or reduced premiums for the TRULY less fornunate. How about instead of giving money to governments of our elites choosing (i.e. Obama sending $2 B to Brazil for offshore drilling?) to programs that actually help the poor in Dafur and elsewhere.
I'm all for paying teachers. Heck, pay them more, but they all have one year contracts. The crappy ones get tossed and the good ones stay. PRovide finanical incentives for good teachers to teach in poor neighborhoods. But, get the crappy ones out of the system.
What many of you don't understand is that I (and most somewhat "successful" people that pay 70 to 100% of the taxes don't object to paying taxes, we object to it being wasted and spent on pet projects, yes, including traditional republican strangleholds such as the military. Shoot, we should be charging these countries to be bailing their tails out or providing protection. Why should we be repsonsible for the defense of most of Western Europe?
So, when some of you want to cast stones my way, fine. The bottom line is we have a federal government that wastes money hand over fist. In fact, I personally know of programs in the EPA where they give pork grants (I actually got one for a client of mine) where the EPA keeps 5% of the "award" to manage the funds. This is OUR money they are giving back to us and charging a fee to gives us our money back!!! That's worse than a pawn shop.
Again, reduce waste/spending to reasonable levels. Push many decisions, education, roads, even health care, to the local/state level. Money is spent much more efficiently, we have greater access to our politicians to make changes and adjust and many of these arguments go away. I have no idea why so many of you look to the federal government for help. Even the poorest of us are very lucky to live in this country. The poorest here live like middle class in 90% of the rest of the world. And, they do have a chance to make their lives better here, where elsewhere they don't.
Finally, stop thinking the successful step on others to get ahead. I actually train and help younger engineers so they can be more successful. Even the dreaded hedge fund managers, who I do think make way too much money, but in reality, what can you do about it...help make investments and provide capital to companies that give us our jobs. And, those people and the folks willing to start business DESERVE to be rewarded for their risks.
And, once the Hollywood elite and Obama himself offer to pay an additional 10% of their income or campaign donations to help offset the payroll tax costs or other welfare type programs, stop asking for more of my money.....
BTW, Spartan...
I feel for you. I have no idea why sciences don't pay more than they do. Where do you live, we might be hiring...If you have any type of geology or hydrogeology degree, you should tap into the fracking industry. Rumor has it you can make over $120k pretty easy in North Dakota. Might be chilly in the winters, but who knows. Merry Christmas and best of luck to you and your family...
oops...meant pragmatic, not spartan
Thank you Paul. Merry Christmas to you and your child.
I'm not a geologist, I'm a biologist. With the benefit of hindsight I can see where some hotter fields are but too bad for me. I definitely can respect a person who earns what they make through hard work.
I am the type to come on and demonize the super rich, but I do so for those who deserve it. I name names. As a stock holder of HP (through my 401K), I was just about ready to light the torches and grab the pitch forks for Leo Apotheker, the CEO who tanked HP's stock by 40% in 8 short months and got a $3 million dollar performance bonus plus $10 million in other payments when he left. His successor has undone almost everything he did. When you mess up that badly, the nicest thing you ought to get is a pittance.
Pragmatic-
Have no idea who you voted for but 100% agree with you on some of the CEO pink parachute pay. That really irks me as well. Not sure how that gets fixed. I do think CEOs shouldn't get paid more than say 500 times the average employee salary or make it 100% contingent on the stock price, but there is often a way around everything.
I just wonder why we don't complain as much about hollywood ($10 to $15 million PER MOVIE) for many of them or baseball players, etc. They often make WAY more than CEO's etc. And, provide much less value to society. But, as long as we pay for entertainment, I guess we are the ones paying those salaries.
Biology is a tough one, that's for sure. I did the engineering thing. Not sure what your focus is, but if it's human biology, maybe one of the drug companies in research? Maybe the CDC? If it's natural biology, not sure unless maybe some type of pulp and paper company will is looking at ways to grow trees faster, etc. Out of my element, that's for sure. And, our firm doesn't do any type of biological engineering.
Best of luck!
Further proof that the two party system has broken down and no longer works. This country desperately needs a third party that can remove the majority that either the republicrats or democrans hold forcing coalitions and compromise. Both sides are to blame and I for one am sick and tired of the polarization and the yelling from across the room instead of meeting at the table. This goes for all the people I read here day after day spouting vitriol about one side or the other. Take a close look in the mirror people.
All Harry Reid has to do is say NO! The republicans served up this crap, let them eat it.
The GOP got it right, they have to stop Washington's spending, they can not give Obama any more blank checks, let Washington eat their blank checks FAST & FURIOUSLY
stclaire-3822173, and what are the American People who got caught up in the Republican Depression supposed to eat, nothing? And should there be over 2 million homeless Americans in this country?
Hell, if Republicans devastate the American People any more than they already have, and if there begins to be news coverage of Americans sleeping on the streets all over this country, Republicans are going to hear a cry from around the world and I suppose that will be the start of Americans receiving "foreign aid" from overseas, instead of the other way around.
American Girl---you kill me. If there are 2 million homeless in this country, then the government, with all it's resources and spending money on the national endowment of the arts and the Nevada cowboy fesitval, etc. perhaps they aren't good at it. Why not reduce our taxes, get out of the business of support/controling poor people and have "successful" people be required to give 1% of their income to the charity of their choice to help with this. Let the government dictate policy, not control people....
Why don't the Tea-baggers/Republicans take a cut in pay!! If my taxes go up I will make it my mission to fund every person who runs against a Tea-bagger/ Republican!!
Taxes have already gone up, food has gone up, gas has gone up, utilities have up, un-employment is still way too high, all of things have sky rocketed since Obama took over and things are getting worse, Obama has had 3 years of a do nothing Presidency except give away money, bail out privately owned companies, bailed out failed companies as well, and vacation and vacation.
FAST & FURIOUSLY Obama has to go in 2012
No the T/GOP party of no has to go. Where are those jobs that the Speaker of the House PROMISED???? He lied and so did many GOP elected in 2010. I am voting against all the T/GOP liars in 2012 and 2014 and 2016. They suck!
Hannah - you don't honestly expect anyone here to believe that there was ever even a remote chance that you would have voted for them, do you?
So the Red network will back the Red Team
the Blue network will back the Blue Team
But the MSM will choose a side and that is where public opinion will fall...
Both sides are constantly "Playing" politics, so the "issue" here is not the actual legislation but which narrative the general electorate come to accept...
Wow, it continues to amaze me as to how such idiots got elected.
Because we let idiots vote.
What the surprise ? That is just the reason that the Republicans have a majority now in the house, because Americans are tired of spend and tax Democrats. This payroll tax cut extension is definitely not what the democrats really want, it is just a payback to the republicans for not passing a higher tax for Americans making over $250,000 a year. Obama wanted to put them in this spot and doesn't want the cut anything to pay for this extension so he can parade around saying the republicans didn't want to pass a tax cut. Just more politics as usual and in the end us tax paying Americans will pay for the follies this administration. Spending and taxing is not what we need, we need to cut spending, tax less and vote in those that will make this happen. If Obama would just cut something to pay for the lost revenue of the tax cut extension, this would be passed already.
@ Neil Because we let idiots vote. ?
Who is to determine who is an idiot?
You! Congress the Senate IF you are American citizen you have the right to vote .
Ron, what did they cut to pay for the top 1% tax cuts? (Bush tax cuts)
Harley guy,
Your lack of knowledge is getting IRRITATING. The "Bush Tax Cuts", passed MANY years ago, reduced taxes on ALL LEVELS OF TAXATION genius ! Furthermore, for the higher earners, exemptions were "phased out" meaning their Adjusted Gross Income went up and their taxes went up also.
This ongoing lie about the Bush tax cuts only affecting the top 1% needs to be researched by the libtards. ALLlevels of taxation received some benefit ... and that is what Obama voted to extend.
And to add the the point, the Bush Tax Cuts expired. Just because BHO chose to keep them in place does not make them Bush's anymore.
They are the Obama Tax Cuts. And it may be the only thing he has done that makes any sense to date. So dont keep crediting Bush for them. They are Obama's Tax Cuts and I agree with them as being needed.
Now if everything else he has done were not such a disaster, and he were not so divisive and arrogant....
ABO 2012
The House GOP looks like a bunch of fools out for a stroll in a blizzard. Speaker Boehner asked the Senate GOP to negotiate the legislation first because he couldn't get his group to agree to anything. The House was fussing about a one-year extension, unwilling to look at paying for that extension; they demanded immediate action on the Keystone XL Pipeline in the hopes it makes them look as if they're interested in creating jobs while ignoring the very "red" Governors and GOP state and federal legislators concerns about said pipeline. Suddenly, the House is all fluffed up because they want a one-year deal....when for a month they haven't been able to agree to anything except a two-month extension to work out the details was all they could muster.
Now the House GOP says they want to negotiate a long-term agreement when the truth is they couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag with the lights turned on. And we pay these yahoos?
The GOP got it right, open your eyes.
stclaire-3--, What did they get right? If discord, bickering, and double talk is right, then I guess they got it right. Somehow I don't think most people of either party really believes that anything is right, it now looks like most of the public doesn't think there is much of anything right coming out of Congress. The next eleven months look to be most interesting!
This is like the INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS !!!! The tea party are the Zombies and Boehner is the snatch....er......
You have them confused with Reid, Pelosi and Obama
stclaire,
They could also be referred to as the "new" three stooges .... Harry, Bo and Squirrelly !
jim, you're a fake, a paid blogger. In the real world most people aren't sitting at home getting paid to blog while living off of mommy and daddy's trust fund.
@wake up working class,
If I am getting paid for this would someone please tell me where the money is ! Libtard !!
Nice attempted slam .... my mother and father are both deceased and boy do I wish there was a trust fund, I am a CPA who loves to poke holes in the ongoing FINANCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE democratic leadership of this country, and I am at work. EPIC FAIL BY YOU !
Jim - Financially irresponsible is letting a tax cut extension expire, all that serves to do is take money from the economy. Where were you when Bush had two wars, drug plan and tax cuts that weren't paid for? Where you shouting from the rooftops on how that is the definition of financial irresponsibility? I doubt it, which leads us to wonder why now all of a sudden your shouting it from the rooftop? Perhaps it has something to do with hate? Or the thought of a black man mating with a white woman and having a son that becomes POTUS. Its obvious, and racists are usually that, obvious.
funnystuff888,
Playing the "RACE CARD" again because you are unable to honestly argue valid points to my post at #18.4 is inflammatory. The rest of your post has so many holes that it resembles Swiss Cheese !
The Social Security Trust Fund is headed in a very negative direction with payouts now exceeding income and actuaries have already pointed to a future crash. So, what's Obama's solution ? Obama seized upon this "opportunity" last year to reduce the money coming in as a TEMPORARY, 1YR BENEFIT to put more money in the pockets of U.S. workers, of which I am one. Playing politics with Social Security income, passing out the candy to get votes and be re-elected will only shorten the financial viability of Social Security. IF, and I repeat IF it is to be done, it must be done for a one-year period so as not to totally "F"up all the payroll tax programs across our country. Republicans were trying to pay for it by mandating reductions in spending while Democrats want to increase taxes or fees on mortgages or whatever.
Bush's two wars were voted on and approved by many Democrats including Hillary Clinton and John Kerry .... surely they had sense enough to realize war is costly. Take your bitching to them and all who voted "FOR" the wars.
How do you think this "tax cut" will be paid for ??
P.S. The only thing "obvious" about your post, is that you are unable to make a cohesive valid argument. You wander from racism, to Bush (who is no longer President) to me supposedly shouting from the rooftops and a rash of invalid statements you know nothing about. I understand financial matters and the payroll tax cut is merely a political issue being played to the hilt by Obama and his pawn Harry Reid.
Sure are a lot of infantile remarks on this thread. No wonder no one can answer a real question. Maybe all of the Dems should be put up for saint hood.
Whats your real question?
""We're looking to now see that Harry Reid do his job and the Senate come back to town," House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA)"
I cannot wait until Eric Cantor looses an election. He is one of the extreme libertarian 1%ers who looks out only for himself. He is a pompous arrogant individual who is so immature. Hopefully his own constituents understand that he would throw them under the bus to get what he wants: defeat President Obama in 2012.
wasnt it nice how he shorted the dollar on his "PERSONAL" investments all the while blocking the debt ceiling. Should be a law.....
His approval rating in Virginia is a hooping 29% which is right behind VD!
Thunk! What was that impact sound?... OMG.... DUCK DEMOCRATS!
The senate passed it, McConnell was all smiles and high fives, and House republicans slipped him and Boehner the wienie big time, now they slipped themselves the wienie, and managed to squeeze themselves between a rock and a hard place. If I was Harry Reid I would just leave them right where they are, I would not ruin any of your senate colleagues, or their families Christmas plans by requesting them to come back to DC for conference, if republicans in the house have a blue Christmas, it is entirely of their own actions. Let them sweat, until they relent or let the tax cuts expire, after all two months is temporary and one year is temporary as well, why even pretend otherwise. The political wind is at your and the presidents back, they made a political grandstand of the deal now make them own that, make them eat it, or let the tax cuts expire. 90% of the senate voted for this including all but ten republicans, this stunt is wholly owned by House republicans, do not let them off the hook, or you will have to go through this crap continually, if they want to renegotiate make them take the extension first then they might negotiate in good faith for a change. If the Speaker of the House can't actually speak for the house it is not your problem. Merry Christmas Harry, turn off your cell phone and enjoy your holiday! You have a Merry Christmas as well Mitch, and John maybe Santa will put some Pepcid AC in your stocking you will probably need it before Harry calls you back. Ho Ho Ho Merry Christmas!
should the tax cuts not happen boehner mcconnell, and that twerp ryan will be lobbyist in the next election. and the only reason mass (r) went with it, is because he knows warren is going to kick the poop out of him...
there's going to be alot of junior cong/sen running some important posts old school don't work..
boehner hijacked his own people I guess that's why mc connell, has not been heard from
I hope ron paul wins iowa that would fracture them good .
I don't call myself a democrate and have no affiliation but I would never vote republican.
right now if I was one of them that did this I would be really worried, taking the food out of families mouth not alot just 160,000.000.000 If I were the dems and they said one year draw up a bill just with the tax and unemploment and doctors. leave all that other stuff off . they said it was about the one year in giving the american people what this bill was for but that's bull@!$%#, obama will win in 2012
and if I was him I would not debate any of them stating that truth honesty and the deciet the reasons for running for the office of the presidency. they just don't make the grade flubbers, flippers and fools.....
Dems don't goto the conference let it sit out and play. you got them now....
The Senate-both parties-need to all be locked in a small room with no bathroom or food until they get with the program to help this country. The only bipartisianship of their 2 month vote was to go home for holiday vacation. These lazy bums only work about 2/3rds of a year total plus all the perks they have voted for themselves. A pompous ass group of do nothings. Get your butts back to Washington fools.
they settled for the two month just so they have more time to continue this bickering in January.
How can the RepubliCONS not see that by approving every other tax cut and protecting every tax subsidy but they now have "principles" on this one it is apparent who their constituency is and it sure isnt the 99%
Paxil has a side effect similar to the 4 hour Viagra " boner ". You may want to lay off that stuff or try Wellbutrin.
They say if you have an erection that lasts for more than four hours call your doctor. I I had an erection that lasted for more than four hours I would be calling everybody!
The Republicans were so busy trying to fix things for big industry that they forgot to think about their constituency. Oops!
This whole thing is about ramming that oil pipeline down the throats of Americans.
Obama didn't stop the pipeline on a whim, the Nebraska state legislators didn't think it a good idea, something about putting their water supply in danger.
Spoken like a true environmentalist.
Clark hates clean drinking water
"fracking" (used to get the oil out of the ground in the first place) has already ruined the water of 3 communities... not only that, but it increases the chances of earthquakes... Great... lets put an oil line over the land that we are going to create earth quakes and polute the rest of the land.. sounds like a good plan... good grief...
It's mindboggling how the Republican party has lowered itself into what it finally has become. A party of obstruction, millionaire coddling, voter suppression, and downright stupidity. I have continually asked this question of many people and I have yet to receive an answer. Why would ANYONE vote for/support a party who could give a rat's a$$ about anybody, except if you're a millionaire? What's in it for you to continue to make excuses for these nincompoops?
thats because they are saving the country from the socialist, oops today is tuesday so we call him a marxist on tuesdays, in the white house. God save america
I know union guys who vote republican because they want to keep their guns, they don't understand they need money to buy guns and after the republicans gut the unions they won't have any. There is no accounting for people voting against their best interest, it happens all the time.
So what you're saying is that they need to be willing to give up their guns so that they can keep their jobs?
Steve C, I love your comment. Reminds me also of Kristi Noem of our great state of SD. She's just like 90% of the farmers/ranchers in this God foresaken Republican state. She takes $1.5 million in govt money in two years time in farm subsidies, doesn't create one job, takes the cash and runs. I still cannot fathom why farmers/ranchers are Republicans in the first place, as they are receipients of one of the highest and most expensive forms of welfare backed by the US government. Know a guy that tells me his 17 acres is a farm. When I asked him how he could make a living on a farm that size, he simply replied "I don't farm the land, I farm the government." Well, at least he was an HONEST Republican.
Nobody is giving up their guns... It's another example of right wing distraction from what is really happening to us. They tell us we need R's to protect our guns, etc... but all they do is destroy our paychecks and small businesses so their friends can get and stay wealthy w/o competition.
Dee, great statement. Did you get it out of the Demo's class warfare paybook?
Let me ask a similar question: Why would ANYONE vote for a man (Obama) whose only interest is in running this country into a third world hole? I'm not a repub, but I'm sure as hell not a democrap either. The dems have absolutely no grasp on the financial reality that exists today. They are more than willing to print paper to the point that it's not even good for butt wiping, so long as they coddle the voters who'll ensure they pass the laws that keep them in power. The repubs at least understand that it wont work forever.
I agree Dee. The Republicans attempt to give every American family a $1000 tax break instead of the Dem Senate's $166 taxbreak is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I demand a tax raise NOW!
PAUL W: And did you get this "Class warfare" horse@!$%# out of your Mein Kampf playbook???
Explain something to me, why is class warfare when middle class people point out some of the glaring and blatant inequities which exist in our tax structure, etc. compared to that of wealthy people & corporate America but not when the Right jeers and denigrates the poor? Are the rich more vulnerable and thus require more defending? I think not.
Do you know of any fancy lobbyists on K Street, buying off GOP Congressman to pass tax laws which will favor the poor? Of course not, it's absurd, but that's the argument you are making, that somehow the rich deserve special treatment while the middle class and poor can just fend for themselves. I see posts on here every day that denitgrate the poor and somehow attribute to them, the blame for what is wrong in our nation. That's OK with you, right? But god forbid that anyone dare criticise the uber rich. How could they possibly defend themselves, when all they have is a few lousy billion dollars. Well, unless they are the Koch boys with nearly 50 Billion. A family whose father is one of the charter members of the John Birch Society, no less. LOL
JC-1439099
No I am not saying we have to give up our guns. The republicans use wedge issues to get people to vote against their best interests. For instance right to life advocates are enlisted by republicans who use abortion as a wedge issue, while on the other hand, the republicans are trying to eliminate the EPA and air quality standards that would allow power plants to continue polluting the air with waste that contains mercury which affects fetuses. This is a very subtle issue, but it illustrates how the GOP cynically uses these issues to muddy the water. They are the Party of the Lie. Its the reason they are successful at raiding the treasury and continuing their economic war on the middle class. Just look where the money flowed while we were in Iraq and the administratin awarding of "no bid contracts" another example of the republican Big Lie policies.
Steve,
Both parties use wedge issues to advance their positions. That is the essence of politics. And, if you think that "no bid contracts" ended when President Obama took office, you are sorely mistaken. It happens all the time.
Steve....the idiocy of your claims is beyond belief. They aren't "trying to eliminate the EPA and air quality standards". They are trying to eliminate EPA because of their left wing tree hugging mentality that says that we can't drill for oil because the exhaust from an ice breaker "might" affect the air quality of a town SEVENTY MILES AWAY. But of course you attempt to put it into something that is NOT TRUE, while my example just happened two months ago.
And exactly WHERE did the money flow while we were in Iraq and the PENTAGON was awarding no bid contracts?
YOU are the perfect example of left wing Big Lie propoganda.
This is true, there are several corporate entities that in cohoots with their republican connections structured themsleves in such a way as to deliver services that only they were capable of delivering within the specified time limits. This neat litte maouver swept away competition and allowed tax monies to flow for substandard services, for instance "electrified showers" for the troops in Bagdad, courtesy of Halliburton and Root-Brown.
CherylLM - selective memory? The money flowed to dick cheney's bank account via Halliburton.
They are trying to elimate the EPA completely. Trying thinking for yourself by reading all the facts, not just the ones fox news presents to you.
You are the perfect example of an igorant uneducated right wing sheep.
FunnyStuff,
Selective memory is taking "Dick Cheney" and "Haliburton" and assuming that since they were linked in the past that somehow money was flowing anywhere. We all know that if it were true, the Democrat leadership would have crucified him. Nothing would have made them happier than to show that he was somehow profiting from those contracts.
As for the EPA, it needs to be reined in. It is operating in a manner that is adversely impacting the economy with no requirement to provide ample justification for any ruling it makes. In fact, it is not allowed to perform a cost/benefit analysis. So, there is no way to know whether it makes sense to do what they say or not. If they can guarantee that implementation of their regulations will result in absolutely pure air, but it costs $1 billion per person per year, it doesn't really make any sense. Just because something can be done doesn't mean that it should.