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Why the difference between Mitt Romney, left, and Newt Gingrich, right? Look no further than the two men's favorability ratings.
WASHINGTON - Exactly three weeks until the first Republican presidential nominating contest in Iowa, front-runners Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney have two different challenges, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Romney faces a challenge with the Republican primary electorate, trailing Gingrich nationally by 17 percentage points as nearly two-thirds of Republicans view him as either liberal or moderate.
Gingrich, meanwhile, faces a challenge with the general electorate, as half of all voters say they wouldn’t vote for him in November, and as he trails President Barack Obama by more than 10 percentage points in a hypothetical contest -- compared with Romney’s two-point deficit versus the Democratic incumbent.
Read the full poll here (.pdf)
“Romney has not caught on [with Republican voters],” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff. “And Gingrich is so deeply flawed.”
“I think the Republican Party for the next four months is on the razor’s edge,” Hart adds. “Here is a year where they have a superlative opportunity to capture the White House. The question is whether they will self-destruct.”
The two Republican presidential frontrunners have one thing in common: they both have electability problems. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
Gingrich leads the GOP pack
According to the poll, Gingrich, the former House speaker, is the first choice of 40 percent of GOP primary voters -- the highest percentage any Republican presidential candidate has received in the party horserace so far.
Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is the first choice of 23 percent of Republicans. He’s followed by Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 9 percent, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann at 8 percent, Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 6 percent, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 5 percent, and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum at 3 percent.
NBC/WSJ poll: Majority of GOPers view presidential choices as 'average'
Reduced to a three-person GOP race, Gingrich gets 53 percent, Romney gets 31 percent and Paul gets 13 percent.
And in a two-way Republican contest, Gingrich leads Romney by 23 points, 59 percent to 36 percent.
What’s helping Gingrich and hurting Romney? Look no further than ideology.
Fifty-seven percent of Republican primary voters view Gingrich as a conservative, 28 percent see him as a moderate and 10 percent believe he’s liberal.
Read the full poll here (.pdf)
By comparison, 53 percent of them view Romney as a moderate, 29 percent see him as a conservative and 11 percent believe he’s a liberal.
“Romney’s problem has always been ideology,” Hart says.
Yet Romney matches up better against Obama
But while Gingrich runs ahead of the Republican pack, he doesn’t fare as well as Romney in a hypothetical general-election race.
Obama leads the former House speaker by 11 points among registered voters, 51 percent to 40 percent. But the president’s lead narrows to just two points against Romney, 47 percent to 45 percent.
Against a generic Republican, 43 percent say they will probably vote for Obama, while 45 percent say they will probably vote for the GOP candidate.
Why the difference between Gingrich and Romney? Look no further than their favorability ratings.
Gingrich enjoys strong numbers among Republicans (46 percent positive vs. 21 percent negative), conservatives (42 percent positive vs. 23 percent negative) and Tea Party supporters (54 percent positive vs. 16 percent negative). In fact, they are higher than Romney’s numbers among these same three key Republican groups.
But Gingrich struggles with other important voting blocs -- like women (20 percent positive vs. 38 percent negative), independents (16 percent positive vs. 40 percent negative) and suburban residents (25 percent positive vs. 41 percent negative).
By comparison, Romney fares better among women (22 percent positive vs. 31 percent negative), independents (21 percent positive vs. 29 percent negative) and suburban dwellers (29 percent positive vs. 30 percent negative).
What’s more, 50 percent of registered voters say they would not vote for Gingrich in a general election -- compared with 45 percent who said that about Obama and 44 percent who said that about Romney.
“Romney has work to do,” says McInturff, the GOP pollster. “But Newt starts in a difficult position” for the general.
'A year to forget'
Besides the 2012 numbers, the other headline from the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll is the public’s continued dissatisfaction with the state of the country and the state of American politics.
Just 22 percent believe the nation is headed in the right direction, though that’s a three-point rise since November.
Read the full poll here (.pdf)
Also, 42 percent label the current Congress’ performance “as one of the worst” ever -- the highest number on this question dating back to 1990. An additional 33 percent view it below average and 21 percent call it average.
Only 2 percent label it above average, and 1 percent calls it “one of the best” ever.
And nearly half of respondents -- 49 percent -- say that 2011 has been a below-average year, while an additional 27 percent see it as one of the worst years.
When asked what was the most disappointing event of the past year, 31 percent cite the wealthiest 1 percent getting richer and the middle class declining; 29 percent say the lack of an economic recovery; and 27 percent say it was Congress’ failure to reach a long-term agreement to reduce the deficit.
42 percent say current Congress has been one of the worst
“2011 was a year to forget,” Hart, the Democratic pollster, observes. “There are no smiles, there is no sense that the world is coming together.”
He adds, “It’s a year that we just can’t wait to let go.”
But there are some tiny rays of optimism in the poll. For instance, 30 percent believe the economy will get better in the next year, a five-point increase from last month and the highest percentage on this question since April.
Obama’s up-and-down year
As for Obama -- who faces a re-election contest in November -- 2011 was an up and down year.
In January, his job-approval rating shot up to 53 percent in January after his well-received speech on the tragic Tucson shootings. It also surpassed 50 percent after Osama bin Laden was killed in May.
But it sunk to 44 percent -- for three-straight NBC News/Wall Street Journal polls -- after the debt-ceiling debate over the summer.
Read the full poll here (.pdf)
In the current poll, Obama’s approval stands at 46 percent, a two-point increase since last month.
“For President Obama, 2011 was a year that started out with a lot of promise,” Hart says. “But at the end of the year, it has all melted away.”
The poll was conducted Dec. 7-11 of 1,000 adults (including 200 reached by cell phone), and it has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points.
Mark Murray covers politics for NBC News.
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Republican voters to field --
Speaking of winter, why can't the electorate 'warm up' to Mittens?
Willard has been running for President going on 6 years & still can't crack 30% in the polls!
Is it any wonder a majority of Teapublican's consider this cast of clunkers as average?
I'm sorry, I just can't see either Newt or Mittens as Henry V. Evil King Richard III maybe.
Well, Mittens could do what McClellan did after losing to Lincoln. He moved to Europe for years.
@ Feisty
Mittens speaks french, he reminds them of Kerry.
Why, methinks you may be right. ;-)
ideology
And he did live in France for awhile. Good, we can send him to France like McClellan. But, where oh where can we send Newt? And try to keep it clean! :)
"A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse"
I am thinking a little Macbeth here. Specifically the 3 witches. Now, Bachmann and Palin are easy, but who for the third?
Mitten's not evil enough....
Dick Cheny's younger brother to the rescue...
....oops I mean, Darth Vader,
....oops, I mean Newter to the rescue...
But, where oh where can we send Newt? And try to keep it clean! :)
Is there a clean place that would take him?
Nope. Landfill?
Hmmmm......... about half against Blingrich. Makes sense - about half are women................
If Republicans are smart about the election, they vote for Romney. If they are honest to their ideology, they vote for Gingrich.
They hate Romney, but the public hates Newt.
Really neither one of these men has proven they can get stuff done. Oh wait, Romney did get something of merit done in Massachusetts--"Romneycare", the basis for "Obamacare". I'll take a pass and see if the Republicans realize that John Huntsman was their best shot, and maybe the best person for the job.
This is a very interesting poll...will the GOP once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? I'm thinking yes, what they aren't testing in these polls is what happens when Ron Paul goes all rogue and runs his Third Party Presidential race if Gingrich get's the nomination? Hell, he's going to run even if Mitt get's the nomination! I am just relieved, as I am sure Obama's folks are, that the GOP are too ideologically to the right to nominate Huntsman..who would actually have a chance to beat Obama.
p.s. the Gallop is very conservative AND doesn't poll cell phone users. THis makes Congrtess with 75% of voters feeling their performance is below average! THAT has got to be a record! Please please GOP keep playing to the 1% who think you're do'in a "hell of a job"
Since Ron Paul goes against the status quo that I see many of you rightly complain about so much, I guess I will have to speak up for him. God knows MSN and all of the paid media oligarchy won't. Ron Paul, The Peoples President, NOT the medias. The status quo is scared to death of him. Do your own poll counting of the Youtube views by all candidates. Ron's numbers are exploding and the others are dying on the vine. Just not this vine. Media here is cheating you.
Yes but the important question of the day is in what Shakespearean role would you cast Willard? We have Newt as King Richard III
Okay. You force me to tell you some truth here. The election is still 11 months away. Today, tomorrow, the next day poll numbers mean diddley squat until their is A - a GOP nominee, and B - It is September/October 2012. So chill out.
Who cares, there both losers!
This is better than a circus.
Like watching a slow train wreck through kaleidoscope eyes.
The next few years are looking golden for Democrats. Newt loses general election. Tea Party ousted. Majorities in Congress. Supreme Court next???- may have to wait a few more years for that one...
The most pathetic Party of No field of candidates in history...and that is being generous....
First - get rid of lobbyists' powers
Second- Elect your president, before he turns into a sheep on his way to the oval room
Then- You'll have your wishes come true
Maybe we recognize an establishment backstabber when we see him. No need for more Bush archetype a$$holes.
phine - 3rd witch - Ann Coulter would work, ugh.
You people amaze me. It is perfectly clear you have no idea where our country is and where it is headed. The Dems were fooled by Obama and elected him. He is not what our country needs. In Michigan, you only need to look at what has happened to you state. Dems, with their taxes drove out most all the industry there. To the rest of you, none of the Republicans would be stupid enough to let a US top secret drone be in the possession of Iran. But your buddy, Obangi, just gave Iran a call asking them to return the drone to him. OMG. Strong action, which is expected from this part time President. Seeing this guy play basketball and swing a golf club like a little girl, it is not a surprise he has no backbone.
Actually, I think democrats lose the Senate because they have almost 20 more seats to defend then Republicans this term. And I doubt they re-win the house after so many districts were jerry-rigged by Republicans just this year.
That being said, easy win for Obama. Bad news though, with a Republican Congress and moderate democrat, that means 4 more years of gridlock.
Ironically, 2016 is likely the year of NY; who else do Democrats have after Obama besides Hillary or Cuomo? And I think Christie gets the GOP nod. Cuomo v Christe would be interesting to say the least.
Over the next decade or so, I see Blue Dogs like Cuomo being far more common going forward.
I had thought of Rick Santorum, but Ann Coulter would work much better! Or, she could be Lady MacBeth.
What a sweet conundrum for the republicans. Don't know whether it's best to trust Romney wearing his rubber, or Newt, and his knowledge of the rhythm method. Ahh, life is such a wonder.
Michigan-90.
Agreed.
Huntsman would be the ideal choice for everyone.
He has the best chance of beating Obama (because he is sane), and he is sane, something that is desirable in a President.
I am voting for Ron Paul!
www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/paul-closes-in-on-gingrich.html
The GOP pondering two wealthy crazies ... and they wonder why other people see them as they are??
Romney helping folks store money off shore while Newt TAKES a MILLION +$$$ as a CONSULTANT for Fannie Mae??
What is the old saying about "The Fox Guarding the Chicken Coop!!!
Who the hell are YOU referring to with your inference pal?
Again with the assumptions little buddy - not ONLY did I vote for him, I worked my ass of in getting him elected & will do so again... What was your point?
Tell the truth, your 'Obangi' finally got a rise after years of retirement...
Here's a tissue my friend, clean up THAT mess!
Project MUCH, my little limp wristed buddy?
gamerk.
Too early to tell.
The GOP certainly does not have the momentum they had in 2010, even though many of the right wing neopytes seem to think so. They could hold on, or the narratives could continue to move in ways that hurt them.
I agree 20 seats is hard to defend....but it all depends on where they are, local politics, the narrative, etc.
Should be interesting.
The House is also an interesting question. Again, it will depend on what happens over the next 6-8 months. If the narratives keep moving to hurt the GOP, they could lose, or come close to losing, the House.
One thing to remember about the re-districting....even with gerrymandering.....the demographics have changed since 10 years ago. And they continue to change.
Demographics is a huge underlying issue for the GOP. They keep ignoring it publicly, but it is clear they know it is an issue. Simply look at the caging attempts around the nation.
Actually I like Romney being moderate. Any President that is either strongly conservative or liberal will keep America polarized with the same problems we have now. The parties are broken! I think it would be refreshing with a moderate. A moderate can possibly start bridging the gap in Washington. What we have now surely isn't working. As a matter of fact Washington hasn't worked well for the last 11 years.
DSmith.
It is perfectly clear you were told where it was headed.
Not exactly clear as to who told you.....
Something along the lines of a chalkboard.......which can only be seen wearing a tin foil hat....
Dumb, dee, dee, dumb, dumb, dumb.....
You liberals are conveniently forgetting the shellacking you took in 2010. That was just last year. Do you think those that voted for republicans are magically, mystically going to change their vote to Obama? If you do, you have no clue as to what the electorate is doing.
You liberals go along your merry way, criticizing every republican candidate, everything they do and you have built up in your minds a world unto yourselves. If you think Obama really stands a chance, then it's because you have built it up in your minds. Do you think people will forget the things he's done and stood for? Do you actually think there are more liberal minded people in this country than there are? You are not only fooling yourselfs, you are blinded by a creature that is not taking our country down the right paths.
Obama has been consistently running in the negatives on Rasmussen and go back to the politics page just before First Read and see where his negatives lie... and MSNBC is an Obama shill.
middle class no more ... I'm sure you are aware the the guy with the 8 sure messed it up for the guy with the 3!!! Especially when the guy with the 8 had a surplus!!!!!
Amazingly, he is seeming a little less crazy then Newt.
At least he is consistent. Some praise his principles.
But remember...
A principled fool.....is still a fool.
It seems the Obama campaign farce has put on extra "volunteer" posters. Not any more impressive than the first ones that couldn't write decent english. Same dumb comments. Me thinks they protest Newt too much, scared maybe?
Won't they be crying in thier beer whether or not they are having one with Obama when the election is over. Mickey mouse could beat that clown.
Brianb.
Just like the conservatives conveniently forgot the shellacking they took in 2008.
It was amazing. Those who voted for the Democrats just magically, mystically changed their votes to Republican.
LOL!!!!
Stick around politics for more then one election. You might learn a few things.
So naive.
It is far to early to try and predict this election.
A whole lot can happen in a year.
And most importantly.....elections are about choices.
The clowns on the right simply do not appear to be good choices........which is what the poll shows.
newscover,
I could list everything Obama said he would do that he didn't, but I'm not going to waste my time since I know it won't change how you think. We will see in November.
The reason Romney hasn't caught on with primary voters is they clearly don't understand how voting works. They get one shot at it...that's the primary. If Romney doesn't win enough primary states to get the nomination...it's all over folks. It won't matter if you vote for anyone anymore...third party or not...Obama has won a second term. Either vote for Romney in the primary starting in 3 weeks or it's all over. It's that simple. The Independents will only vote with the GOP if Romney gets the nomination...otherwise they vote with Obama in the general election next November...it's that simple...the winner next November needs the Independents to win...period. Maybe the GOP needs to buy some prime time programming on a major network to explain this to republicans...because they clearly don't understand this simple concept. It's imperative that every republican voter understands this up front.
@ Repulicants
Since when is believing and following in the constitution a principled fool?
Shaking.
Question.
Do you really think posters are paid? Really?
Mickey Mouse.
LOL!!!
You should of thought of that sooner.....
Now your stuck with Newt....
Burdon.
It is not.
However, Paul believes in his ideological interpretation of the constitution, and is oblivious to the actual interpretation.
He values principle over pragmatism, which, in my opinion, is highly foolish....especially if you are running this country.
middle.
The Obameter Scorecard
Not yet rated 2
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
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@Repulicants
www.ronpaul2012.com
It might clear up some of your confusion and for anyone else who has questions, go get it from the source and not someone's opinion.
Mr. Murray: A poor article, unless the strong bias is intentional. Where was the lengthy coverage on one key part of the poll- "Against a generic Republican, 43 percent say they will probably vote for Obama, while 45 percent say they will probably vote for the GOP candidate"
@Brianb-999431 and other Teapublitards in denial,
It's obviously over for Teabaggery. 2010 is soooooo over. The worst Congressional approval rating is BECAUSE of the Tea Party - everybody except those brainwashed by daily Limbaugh sessions know that. Get a clue. The vast majority of american people hate TP crap. Blingrich is next in line. As the polls show he will fail miserably against Obama because people don't want his TP crap. Get a frickin grip on reality....
Republicants - Keep trying. Numbers do not tell the whole story. Of course you feel your numbers have him winning... but that's because you are an Obama slurping liberal. Liberals are in the minority and Obama has plenty of negatives. Lack of job performance, lack of leadership, taking this country in the wrong direction. There was NO hope and change was towards the socialist side only. This country is a center right country no matter how the liberals try to paint it... It's been that way all my life.
Why the democrats ever decided to head to the left, I'll never be able to figure out. They used to be a lot more centrist. Now we have a prime example of what a true Marxist liberal is wanting to do to this country and people can see it. The tea party has been silent... do you think they have gone away? Do you think they will be silent when a republican candidate will emerge? Tea party members are stii out there in full force, but they are biding their time. They are still holding meetings... and they are very interested in the outcome of this election.
You can sit there and think Obama will definitely win, but that's because you are only looking at it through the prisim of your ideology... which most of America does not share.
Brianb-999431 - grow some nads of your own and stop hiding behind Limbaughs...
It's over . Blingrich will lose miserably to Obama - all polls tell us this except those that are Limbaugh approved. TP will lose Congress because they've been voted the worst congress ever BECAUSE of the TP..... (and guess what: Limbaugh wants Democrats to win because it's good for his business selling crap to suckers like you!!!)
Burdon.
Brianb.
Tying what? To convince the politically naive that it is way too early to try and predict an elecion?
Or to convince those politically naive posters that the last election doesn't really say much about the next one?
Naaa.....
You'll learn on your own.
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The rest of your post simply reinforced the fact that you are a political neophyte. You projected something about slurping on to me, and then parroted worn out 2008 campaign projections about the President. (Socialist, Marxist, Communist....OH MY!!!!)
For example, wingnut:
I never once said Obama would definitely win.
In fact, jr, I mocked you for your naive predictions.
Seriously kid. Turn off the cable news.
Brianb.
The Tea Party is not so popular anymore.
IJS.
Isapig - Your interpretation of the polls is a joke. It is way too early in the election to even be able to intelligently make any assessment. I see that you are trying to pontificate an end game. Not so fast bucko. There's still 11 months and a chosen candidate that has to emerge. Your precious Obama is not going to get off so easily this time. There's one thing he has now that he didn't have last time... a record. One he can't run on. I would be embarrassed if I were him. You liberals are completely off your rocker if you even imagine this election will be like his last one. There is no hope and change, or change you can believe in when it comes to Obama. People are easily fooled once... but twice as hard the second time.
Brianb.
But you, on the other hand.......
Dumb, dee, dee, dumb, dumb, dumb......
LOL!!!!!
Brianb, its looking like Gingrich will take the nomination and there is still one big question out there about him, the details about his ethics violations that were never released. The dems have already said they will release it if he wins, is this a bluff? Given one conservative offered him a million dollars to drop out, I would say probably not.
Obama should be an easy win, the tea party is making it impossible with an ideological agenda the majority of America views as too extreme. Also don't forget the shellacking the republicans took this year and with occupy being a huge movement, there is no way the GOP will sustain their momentum. They will be lucky to keep the house at this rate.
Republicant - I can tell that you are completely opposed to anything I have to say against Obama. You have hitched your wagon to him... that's undeniable. I can further tell that anyone that speaks out against him, you consider an enemy. BFD! Obama has a crappy record, is not a leader and has definitely set this country back because anyone that follows him will have to completely clean up his mess.
This upsets you. Too friggen bad. You think the tea party has gone away or has become irrelevant... this is what they want people like you to think. It's easier to allow you to believe what you want than to put up with your bullcrap. Your type wants conservatives to always be on the defensive. It won't work with me... for as much as your arrogance thrives, I know your game. I don't have to defend anything... but you certainly have to defend him and your belief in him... You do this in your own mind because no matter what faith you have in his abilities, there is some doubt that many, many others don't share in your feelings.
Just one question. Who the heck is the 1% that thinks this is the best Congress ever? :(
The best thing that could happen to the Democrats is that the Newt, a reptilian creature, gets the nomination. I mean just look at this reptiles record:
He blasted Democrats for taking money from mortgage giant Freddie Mac — while he was paid $25,000 a month by the same company. Freddie Mac paid 1.6 Million to Newt just before the housing market crisis. One of the greatest scandals of our time quotes the “National Review”
$37 million for Newt from Major Health Care Co.’s that support Individual Mandated Obama Health Care. Yet the Newt says he is against Obama’s Health Care Plan.
He castigated then-President Clinton for his affair with a White House intern while he himself was having an extra marital affair with a Congressional staffer. Let’s see 3 wives / 2 affairs - that we know about)- while leading an attempt to impeach President Clinton. What a hypocrite!
He lacks compassion for the less fortunate among us. He’s proposed cutting off aid to single mothers and sending their children to orphanages. Last month, he called child labor laws “truly stupid” and said poor children should earn money cleaning bathrooms; the Occupy WS protesters should get a bath and a job even though they can’t find jobs thanks to Bush and the GOP.
Everything that Newt railed against while he was in the house when out - he went the other way once he was paid to go the other way his lack of ethics is no secret. His colleagues in the House of Representatives voted 395-28 to fine him $300,000 for ethics violations and for lying to them — the first time in history the House disciplined its own Speaker for ethical wrongdoing.
Told his dying wife he wanted a divorce so he could run away with his latest mistress.
Talk about serial hypocrisy It would be an understatement to say that Newt Gingrich is a demagogue and the ultimate Washington insider. But then is it any wonder the Conservatives like him but then again what do you expect from a Conservative.
Brianb.
You project way to much.
I suppose you have to.
Try thinking for yourself.
Brianb: project much?
I will say this in a simple sentence. See if you can take it in.
The "teabaggers" are not only irrelevant, but are a national joke.
Got it? There, that wasn't so bad was it?
Scott: who is the 1% that think this is the best Congress ever?
Koch Brothers and their friends, who are allowed to rape this country. They LOVE the Republicans, especially the "teabaggers".
Witchking:
Well done.
Newt is about to undergo a great metamorphosis to a teabagging lizard looking to pillage the country (that or strike gold on his book tour sales). You almost couldn't pick a better opponent for Obama... if you are a Democrat! I mean seriously, this guy is really a pig, and a crook, and a liar, and a...
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is
a dangerous servant and a fearful master"
George Washington
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither and will obtain
neither."
Benjamin Franklin
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better
than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not of
your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May
your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our
countrymen."
Samuel Adams
Karl Rove is slamming Gingrich on Fox. I think the Republican establishment wants Romney. The Establishment is more heavily focused on the general election
The Tea Party is definitely minimized. I think their keystone-cops approach to politics backfired. The mess they made of the debt-ceiling did not work. I believe the Tea Party will soon become a footnote. I will miss the side-show, but I am happy that government is showing some signs of returning to productivity.
Romney is the logical choice if you want "Anyone But Obama." But the Republicans are confused, and seem to be tripping over their own ideology. The evangelical wing is not helping their chances, nor is the rural, low-informed conservative vote
And Conservatives are conveniently forgetting the even bigger shellacking they took in 2008. Just goes to show how quickly political fortunes can shift.
And Teapublicans criticize every Democratic candidate, and have built up their own "world unto themselves". So?
Quite the opposite, I'm hoping they do remember his actual accomplishments, they are impressive. But of course, the Teapublicans are desperately hoping they can spread enough lies, often enough, that people will believe them.
I'm under no illusion that liberals are a majority, it's the conservatives that like to pretend they're a majority, in spite of clearcut evidence to the contrary. The real political power lies in the moderate middle, whether liberals or conservatives win tend to hinge on which side the moderates favor. But the "Party of No" has been busy antagonizing the moderates in so many different ways, which is a good sign for liberals.
I don't know one person who is better off now than 2008.Pres. Odumba, er, Pres. Teleprompter, is useless...I can't wait for Newt to debate him! Newt will smoke him!
To the Obama faithful,
Please tell me how Obama will fair against a constant presentation of his failures?
Any Republican can stand before America and recount the past three years.
Obama's Unemployment - he has failed to do anything about it other than vilify and threaten the job creators (Small Businesses and Corporate America.)
Obama's Cornerstone Legislation will be up for Supreme Court ruling in 2012.
Obama's attack on the States will also be up for review by the Supreme Court - Immigration Laws and Obamacare. How does he spin not enforcing the laws of the nation?
Obama's spending binge - bloated national debt and spending at 25% of GDP - highest since WWII.
Obama's Connection to Solyndra and Jon Corzine. I imagine all the clips of Obama praising the financial leadership of Corzine will make their way into the political ads. Obama has actually stated he went to Corzine for financial advice on the economy! You know, the same guy who has no idea where $1.2 Billion went while he was CEO of MF Global. What does the MF stand for again?
And then there is that little issue of Fast and Furious for which Obama has continued to back the incompetent Mr. Eric Holder. If Obama has full faith in Holder, a man who is either not in control (negligent) or is complicit in the highly illegal operation (lying), then there is no way America can have faith in Obama.
So I will summarize to make it simple for the fine folks of the Liberal ilk. You will hear a steady diet of:
Is that Chicago-style politics enough for you? I think Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Romney can articulate that.
Gingrich / Romney 2012? Is that GOTP dream ticket? Or is it what we libs see as "Duds R Us"?
No decent candidates run for president anymore. Why would they want to put themselves through it. As soon as you run the media wants to run out and dig up how you slept with Mary May 30 years ago when you were in high school and that you didn't use a condom. Which of course has nothing to do with election. And for those the media doesn't want to dig on (Obama for example) you have plenty of people who run around saying all sorts of B.S. about you. And then if you happen to make it as say a Senator you are put down and joked about if you have any value. Heck Ron Paul is probably the best person I've seen around and look how he is not taken seriously outside his state. Of course I didn't vote him either so I am part of the problem in my own way.
I'll agree Romney is too liberal.. and Gingrich... well he is not a conservative. He is definately smart but far from a conservative whatever that really means...
I like the way you think. Keep up the good work. You are spot on! Nominate Gingrich.
(The GOP gets what it deserves. It wants it's electorate stupid and docile, and it gets Gingrich as a nominee because they can't see he can't win a national election. Best laid plans...)
Oh I'll bet the President is quaking in his boots. Newt smewt! Bring it on! The President will wipe the floor with Newt's phoney ass!
Obama/ Biden 2012!
Republcants,
We'll see if Obama can ride his record to victory. Just because some libs claim he has a great record, doesn't mean it's true.
Witchking - I don't think you should castigate the health insurance companies for wanting an individual mandate. But you should castigate politicians who would promote and pass such a concept. They were deliving people into the hands of business instead of protecting them from unreasonable run business.
Devie
Newt is a PHd - that is an IQ of 140 & above. Newt doesn't need to use a teleprompter. Obama is a FORMER Lawyer (you might want to check into why), that is an IQ of 130 & above. Newt only needs to tie in a debate and has already gone on record wanting 8 debates. That's someone who is comfortable with debating.
phinephancy-4252115
"A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse"
I am thinking a little Macbeth here. Specifically the 3 witches. Now, Bachmann and Palin are easy, but who for the third?
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........You should be totally embarassed......."Ann Coulter" should have come to mind immediately.
Phinephancy. actually, maybe I should be embarrassed, Christine O'Donnell would have been a more obvious choice since she has actual experience with witchcraft, but admittedly, Coulter certainly looks more the part.
And if you took a poll of those who just have no clue about what's going on, it would be about 60%
It is heartening to see that msnbc.com is finally waking up to the complete nonsense that who is spouting?
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2006/07/16/6314/newt-world-war/
Two great reasons to vote for Obama:
1 - Newt
2 - Romney
But the best reason to vote for Obama is that he has been the best President since Lincoln.
Bwahahaha!!
Is that the battle cry of Paul supporters?
Best since Lincoln.
And yet the RCP average is 49.5% DISapproval.
Huh.
Spanky, when we have people who've already made up their mind against him before he was even sworn president... I would expect the number to be that high... but when people start thinking again...
...Newt/Mitt or Obama... that question will be answered. I hope you come back here in Jan 2013 to let us know what you think...
Anna Molly
You did it. I am now going to dig out my works of Shakespeare and make that my winter reading. Been awhile since I did the classics, but, since I will have some time on my hands, might as well do it being productive!
Sorry, posted in wrong spot. As Gov. Perry would say, "Oops"
Porter, You do realize our current unemployment numbers and debt don't you? or do numbers mean nothing. Wow..stupid should hurt!
Spanky-
Day One of President Obama's 1st term in office and Mitch McConnell had listed his hide as priority number one to all conservatives. They were against him before he even did anything. All that they did was stall, build up resentment, stall some more, build up more resentment, then take the House and a few seats in the Senate, and have put our government to a standstill.
Nice try "Porter Rockwell." You will never be the kind of man he was.
Of course I will Tunde.
And some did make up their minds. But many others are or have also decided based upon his record.
The tide on the Stimulus seems to have shifted. I was not that long ago that it was deemed a success. Now days that is not the case.
Obamacare was not a hit when it passed and it's disapproval has only grown since.
Many, many factors go into this decision. But this is not about hope or change. 75% wrong track poll speaks to the hope part.
And come on, no one can say with a straight face he has brought any real change. I never thought he would, or could, but now we know - he is a 1%-er who surrounds himself only with other 1%-ers.
In fact for me Obama is Romney, and Romney is Obama. What would the difference be?
Other than bragging rights to one side or the other, eh Tunde?
Newt and Mitt both suck and are horrible choices for President. I could not bring myself to vote for either of these douche bags.
California is going to Obama no matter what vote I cast 8(
Obama is the best president since Lincoln? What a remarkable thing to say. Certainly, he's better than the current GOP offerings (aside from Ron Paul), but I'd sure like to know on what basis you make this incredible claim. How about Kennedy, either Roosevelt, or Reagan? What lasting positive impact do you foresee from the Obama administration?
Hey Spankster, how about the NewTorkTimes #'s on cost of Guantanamo, 171 prisoners @ a cost of $800,000Each(each Year) versus $25,000 to house terrorist in America's Prison system?
That kinda sounds Stupid don't it!
Shall I remind folks @ this time 4 years ago, the Race was Hillary versus Rudy.So America has several more months to enjoy this Circus, they call the GOP nomination process.
Heck, who knows, now that HollyWood has told the Alaskan WildDingbat to Scram, maybe the Carnival Barkers(formmerly known as the MSM)can convince her to Join the Circus?
Occupy SoggyBottom!
We need a real plan to address the debt and a leader to implement it and we have neither. I gave Obama the benefit of the doubt when he was elected. He didn't have much experience in the real world but he was a strong speaker. He has proven to be the most ineffective president since Carter. Both may be nice guys but they can't get the job done.
You gotta be kidding.
Runs up massive deficits and know NOTHING about economics.
Obummer is a bummer. Newt or Romney are both better choices. This is more MSNBC claptrap.
My thoughts on this particular political season is to support the candidate the old libera media attacks the most.... their current 'flavor of the day' seems to be Romney!
Romney 2012 more than ever! The O must go!
I really need to quit reading this trash. It causes me to truly understand that our country is going down the tubes. Clearly, our country is divided, Idiots vs Republicans. Idiots who convince idiots to vote for them promising they will take successful citizens money, mostly Republicans, and give it to the less successful. A continuation of a plan that has been going on for years with our socialist programs. You can see where it has taken our country and can only guess what the future holds.
Lincoln would be sick if he knew he was compared to this President! Lincoln preserved the Republic, Obama is ruining it.....!
Romney 2012!
Without reading any of the posts above, may I tirelessly intone that this article is nothing more than an attempt to distract Americans from the only candidate who will save the nation from ITSELF - Ron Paul 2012.
SO....you find a poll. And, that poll buffers a sprawling claim. There are polls that buoy Ron Paul, as well. Polls are receding in their impact and effectiveness in leading the populace...just like articles such as this one. It's time to admit it. Paul has the organization, the campaign platform, and the PEOPLE.
Don't waste our time talking about Gingrich and Romney, to the exclusion of Paul. You embarrass yourselves.
Obama vs. Blingrich. Thank you teapubliturds!!!! I have a feeling we'll be seeing blue for quite a while in the Presidency and Congress. Next in line - the Supreme Court!!
This is for Jaren Watson - Funny my last dog was named Watcon, but I digress - you put Reagan in as one of the best Presidents when this whole trickle down started with him - Did you ever look up Reagan's Kitchen Cabinet?
Reagan was recruited, managed and coaxed onward and upward
by a group of West Coast businessmen who ran Reagan like a race horse. He was
an unemployed ex-governor who was in danger of losing his home when they picked
him up, set up his financial affairs to the point that he became very wealthy
and subsequently was elected President. But, Reagan had several unique
qualities and talents: His reputation was that of a hero, his background was
without a blemish and he could read his lines flawlessly.
Citizens for America (CFA) was a United
States conservative grass-roots organization founded by President Ronald
Reagan's "Kitchen Cabinet" (principally Jacqueline “Jack” Hume,
CEO of Basic American Foods of San Francisco, and including Southern California
car dealer Holmes Tuttle and others) to support President Reagan's national
defense and economic initiatives. CFA called itself "President Reagan's
Lobby" and was lead first by drugstore magnate Lewis
E. Lehrman and later by Gerald P. Carmen, who had served as administrator
of the General Services Administration (GSA) and U.S. ambassador to the United
Nations mission in Geneva, Switzerland. CFA was organized as an IRS 501 (C) (3)
and (4) non-profit. Among the early employees was Jack
Abramoff, who was later terminated for cause. [1]
And the trickle down Economics was thus invented
There's no way the Obama's the best since Lincoln. In fact I don't even think he's that great. He's just better than the teabaggers. Jon Huntsman would give him a run for his money and Ron Paul might just be better than him. But if Romney or Slimy Newt get the nomination, Obama would undoubtedly be the better choice.
Obama has been a disaster and the democrats know it! That's why you will never see him talk about his record for the past 3.5 years! To do so would be to dig his own grave. His handlers know this and their strategy is to attack the Republican front runner as hard as they can.... much success with Cain, now they are after Romney.... ahh the old liberal media is doing what it does best.... manipulation of the political news!
The right and independents have frequently used this slogan to describe Obama: "he couldn't run a successful lemonade stand", well .... they are so right about that! The proof is there, but it is being ignored by mainstream media... most American act like sheep, those that support obama given his history are blind sheep!
Spanky,
Contrary to High School History Lincoln was not as popular or well thought of either.
http://www.civilwar.org/hallowed-ground-magazine/unpopular-mr-lincoln.html
I myself think FDR to have been our Greatest President.
While I may not agree with Porter's post entirely, I do believe Obama will be remembered as a good President.
Who if anyone can get this do nothing Congress moving?
Barbara
we have what Obama once called "trickle up" economics going on. Works great! Huh? BTW: Trickle down is what the democrats dubbed the across the board tax cuts. See the Lie? (trickle down when actually EVERYONE benefited).
Across the board meant that te middle and lower had more to spend (btw the intention was people would save - making more money available to invest in expansion), and the Upper and Middle had more money to invest to meet the new demand that would take place over the next three to four years.
Everything Obama and the democrats offer are one time and one year cuts. Fundementally Business works on a 3 - 5 year master plan. One year cuts are nice, but they have to have those conditions spread over 3 or more years in order to justify expensive expansion action. That is a big part of why we are staying at high unemployment. Business is only expanding if it has no choice or unless the opportunity is just to profitable to pass up. With the many increases in regulation and some taxes, combined with mandated health insurance costs, all in conjunction with a slow to rebound economy. There are few seeing opportunities to profitable to pass up.
@Porter Rockwell, is that you, Chris Matthews? Is this just a pseudonym you use on the MSNBC discussion boards?
I can't wait for Ron Paul's army of enlightened followers to spoil both Romney and Newt. We are waking the masses up to the RINO's and flip floppers!
:-)
Ron Paul 2012 or BU$T !!
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." — John Quincy Adams
Rosco, while I really do admire you Dr. Paul supporters, the fact of the matter is, he is too far out there for the rest of the country.
And, yes, voting for principle is good - to a point. The thing that has made this country strong is compromise.
Rosco go to previous thread ..
Perry says fatigue from surgery contributed to poor debating
. I posted something for all Ron Paul voters to feast on.
well, you're going to bust if you vote for Ron Paul. might as well just save the country election money and put Obama right back in the seat he will win anyway.
Ron Paul supporters are "fired up and ready to go" and then some......He will run as a Third Party candidate...take it to the bank! It'll be Ross Perot all over again...only Ron will have much much more influence over the next 12 years by having run.
Well said BB
First - get rid of lobbyists' power
Second- Elect your president, before he turns into a sheep on his way to the oval room
Then- You'll have your wishes come true
If Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination (which he won't), or if he runs on a third party ticket, I will gladly vote for him knowing full-well that he'll likely lose the election. On an issue as important as electing our nation's leader, don't people of conscience owe it to themselves to vote on principle? Compromise is wonderful, if that means working together for the best solutions. But that process should only begin after the election, not before.
I am with you Roscoe, and because I have never voted before my votes counts a whole lot. Ron Paul 2012
If you support Dr. Paul, then register as a Republican and vote for him in the GOP Primary. The only way he will win is to run on the GOP ticket. He's polling awesome in Iowa and took the CA straw poll by 83% of the vote. Do yo know how many delegate as state like California gets. Ron Paul Needs the GOP ticket to win. Just Keep Trump out of the race and we'll have President Paul in the near future.
Wouldn't it be a very interesting election if some of the candidates decided to all go independent? Could you imagine what the ballot box would look like if Trump ran independent, Paul ran independent, Huntsman ran idependent, Hillary ran independent and a few more democrats thrown in for good measure. All running independent we could vote for whomever we so wanted.
Personally I feel the two party system is a complete sham. We need several dozen good people to go out there as independents to throw the entire system off balance. I'm certain there has to be some other democrats that could go up against Obama and draw just as many votes away from him as any other independent could against the republican candidate.
Now that would be an interesting election.
There probably are but Clinton said she would not be running, so far its only republicans that seem to be showing interest in throwing their hats in as independent. Bloomberg, Paul and Trump specifically, I don't think Huntsman will go independent, I think he is setting himself up for 2016. Either way though, there are way too many people who remember Gingrich from the 90's and didn't like what they saw then, even among republicans. I am not surprised he is fairing so poorly against Obama, and honestly they haven't even scratched the surface of attacks against Gingrich. Lets hope for the GOP he gets taken down before the primaries are over. Romney is their best shot.
As an Independent I could vote for Huntsman but the others need to be locked up in a looney ward alone with the rest of evil angel Grover Norquist's disciples.
Ron Paul is unelectable.
All the little youngsters and first time voters who have posted here before you vote - look up Ayn Rand and the Theory of Objectivism - because that is what Dr Paul holds as his bible same as Paul Ryan
Every man for himself - works if you're a a one man boat - doesn't work if you in the trenches and need a friend to watch your back
Throw grandma under the bus - Paul Ryan's vouchers for Medicare and Ron Paul agrees with him
Sick, you didn't get insurance you're fault, crippled - learn to walk, poor get a job, and god forbid you don't have a wife like Ron Paul who worked to put him through Medical School, or like Paul Ryan whose daddy died and his Social Security put him through school! There is a word for this and Ron paul's brother Jerry, who is a minister said it best, "I voted for Barrack Obama and my brother has no compassion"
Learned a long time ago "No Man is an Island"
Curiously, I remember Paulite fanatics saying much the same thing in 2008 and in 2000. But it didn't happen, Paul didn't win, and in spite of their dire predictions, the nation didn't collapse.
I doubt Paul will receive the Republican nomination, he reminds too many of Ross Perot, and his libertarian streak doesn't go over well with certain fundamentalists. But I seriously doubt Ron Paul will consider a 3rd party or independent run, he'd already tried that with the Libertarian party in 1988 and doesn't want a repeat of that loss.
You guys crack me up when you state he's out there or an outsider and don't give any examples. So the constitution is no longer valid? Keep voting for your crooks and you'll get the country you deserve. Let me re-phrase that, you have the country you deserve.
Now, Rosco, I tried showing you respect and you get all ugly. I am just saying what the polling does about Dr. Paul. Now, if you are an example of how he is, maybe I shouldn't have even listened to the man. You gotta give respect to get it. Shame on you.
Roscoe
"get the country you deserve"
If Paul is elected and every troop - that is every troop is pulled from foreign soil....there won't be a country!
Honest and consistent. Close agencys in our bloated government.Whats not to like? And free trade dosent work.All our jobs left to countrys with cheap labor that we cant compete with. Obama is so bad i wish Hillary was president,i just dont see what you see in the man. Unless you want the country to go the crapper.
Risco,,,I predict Ron Paul will win the Iowa Caucus, and go on to place nicely in the New Hampshire. He has every intention of running a Third Party campaign after the GOP convention. He will not win, BUT he will be a HUGE influence on politics for the next 12 years or so. And could possibly turn the GOP away from the religious, BIG government in your womb, and bed right wing for the GOP.
I hope he wins and takes it all the way 8) the current bunch of cheaters, liars, tyrants and thieves in the White House are destroying America and do not give a crap about anybody but themselves.
Just take a look at California we are one of the shiftiest states in the union only thing good here is the weather.
Just take a look at California we are one of the shiftiest states in the union only thing good here is the weather
Amen to that Big Al, Amen
Pat of Iowa
"Paul will have a huge influence over politics for the next 12 years"
Tell me Pat - Paul will be 92 in 12yrs - will you list the current living 80-92 yr olds who have any
influence in American Politics!
Well, not alive today but still a power influence at 84, Benjamin Franklin.
if you are serious - thanks for the laugh...
* I'll correct myself - Paul is only 76 and would only be 88....
Ron your male chauvanistic bigot side is showing you basicaly said" I would rather have a damn woman(Hillary Clinton) than this n___er (Obama)" I have heard people like you say this version in person back when he won the nomination and some of them were Democrats....The fact is if it wasn't for racism and bigotry and prejudice Obama would have won in a 50 state landslide after GWB but unfortunately those things exist in our country...I hoped it wouldn't happen ever again and Obama was the man most likely to stop it from happening but Fox News and Right-wing radio have said such bad lies about him they are fueling people's hate right into the election.....You all that hate him for the color of his skin or H. Clinton for her gender will be judged righteously when you get to the pearly gates...I don't know how god will do it but it could go something like God being represented by a black woman....Wouldn't you haters start crapping your pants right off wondering if She could read your thoughts and if she really knows how you lived your bigoted lives............................Just a thought..............Night all ;)
I am surprised that any credible news agency would print this bull as indicative of the voters of the US. This is absurd. The Wall Street Journal should be the first red flag. The second one should be that it was only 1000 people. Another is that they were all probably from the East coast. This poll was as scientific as counting the number of tulips in the spring to determine if your next door neighbor knew the outcome of next years Super Bowl. So they call this a credible poll HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHahaHa
Joe, Most polls have a sample size of around 1000 participants, Wall St. Journal is very conservative, and the margin of error of 3.1 is very good statistically, not to mention they included cell phone users. You obviously know very little about stats and sampling. The Gallop is scewed ultra conservative, with much older participants than the general populations AND they don't poll cell phone owners. Bwahahahaha...even more anti-fact, anti-science bilge from the wingnuts among us.
So vote for the rich frat boy, or the loudmouth self loving adulterer, who both sold their soles long ago.
Truth be told, I'd rather have a college-aged frat guy run the country than either Romney or the Newt. At least the frat guy would try to do a good job. Romney works for his corporate friends and Newt is hell-bent on screwing the world over.
Its time for a moderate. Someone to go down the middle of the road where most of us actually are. The only thing on the far left and the far right are gutters!
Did I hear you say....HUNTSMAN IN 2012?
I agree 100%. After the party bosses get their choices nominated we are left with the most extreme elements of each party. Our choices are now the lesser of two evils ... a Nazi or a Socialist. Huntsman is the man for the job, which is why he doesn't have a shot.
We need to get rid of the party primaries and run a single national primary. The top three candidates run in the general election and the winner is decided by the popular vote. Party primaries and the electoral college have become ways for the political bosses to get around the decision of the people.
Ron Paul, Jon Huntsman, and Barack Obama are the only ones fit for the job. Paul is the only one that stands a chance against Romney and the Newt.
Vote Ron Paul.
Do you want this election handed to you? Romney must be the nominee. Obama
would like nothing better than to run against Newt. Sometimes, we must compromise
to have victory. I DO NOT want four more years of Obama, do you?
I actually think many of the anti-romney crowd would rather have Obama than Romney!!!
Go Ron Paul
Ron Paul has some interesting ideas but simply would not get elected. Remember Anderson?
But Feisty believed it and she is so smart
Aah yes, just like the Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Marxist, Democrat party way with its head, B. Hussein Obama, spending trillions and trillions of OTHER PEOPLE'S HARD-EARNED MONEY like he just hit the lottery, just to give it to a bunch of no-good, worthless, miserable, lazy schlubs who don't want work to support themselves or their litters of children by different fathers & mothers.
Soooo hilarious how you Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrats, especially B. Hussein Obama actually think that the American people will simply "ignore" Obama's entire four-year term (come Nov. 2012) and just "trust him" that he'll fix things better in a 2nd four-year term, when he's done NOTHING to help joblessness, nothing to lower the U.S. unemployment rate, nothing to improve the toxic housing market with ever lowering property values and increasing home mortgage foreclosures, nothing to stop the credit crunch where banks won't loan to small businesses and employers won't hire because of the impact Obamacare will have on their businesses, nothing to keep Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, nothing to stand with Israel as our best friend and partner for peace in the middle east.
Obama & the Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrats don't even want people to be in the middle class as they claim is being destroyed by the GOP. Obama & the Socialist Democrat party wants everyone on medicaid, welfare, food stamps, and living in Section 8 housing slums just like the people from Obama's old state congressional district in Chicago's south side. It won't work Obama & your Democrat party, sorry. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ENTIRE SOON-TO-BE FOUR YEAR TERM AS PRESIDENT and the majority of the American voters will see to it in Nov. 2012, guaranteed!!! Who cares what the GREAT MINORITY of Left Wing Nut Jobs who post on this blog think. They can't change or undo THREE YEARS OF A FAILED PRESIDENCY IN B. Hussein Obama.
You all are fools and a blind followers of the Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrat party and its head, B. Hussein Obama. Unemployment barely went over 7% when Bush was in office, Under Obama it's never really been below 9% (only this past month was it 8.6%), gas prices were never continuously over $3.00 a gallon like it has been under Obama, Iran has never been closer to acquiring a nuclear bomb than it is now under Obama. Sorry, but your class warfare, pitting one type of American versus another, one type of American industry or business versus another, one race of American versus another WILL NOT WORK. Neither will trying to change the subject and demonizing Speaker Gingrich or any of the other GOP class of candidates running for the 2012 Republican Presidential Nomination (except Ron Paul & Jon Huntsman).
Obama, the "community organizer in chief" has been in office THREE YEARS (the entire first two with Democrat party Super Majorities in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate), where are the jobs THAT HE HIMSELF PROMISED IN 2008? Why did healthcare and health insurance costs GO UP under Obamacare and not down since it's passage? Why haven't we seen any real improvement in the U.S. unemployment rate, the toxic housing market with ever lowering property values and increasing home mortgage foreclosures, the credit crunch where banks won't loan to small businesses and employers won't hire because of the impact Obamacare will have on their businesses??!! Why can't you DEFEND OBAMA'S MISERABLE, THREE YEAR RECORD AS POTUS??!!
What happened to all that "hope & change" horse manure that Obama promised the American people in 2008? Obama didn't promise the American people excuses, class warfare, pitting one American versus another, blame of the "previous administration." Obama promised us jobs, lowered healthcare and health insurance costs, lower gas prices, increases in property values, freedom from underwater mortgages and fewer home foreclosures. What the hell happened? It's been THREE YEARS and nothing has improved under Obama, the nat'l debt, joblessness, the credit crunch, the toxic real estate market, all are exponentially worse under Obama's three years, than it ever was under Bush's ENTIRE 8 years and Bush was fighting two wars during his presidency.
You PMS-NBC, Nat'l Public Radio have got to be total idiots who insult the American people, by simply thinking that we're supposed to ignore Obama's entire 1st four-year term and "blame Bush" and re-elect him?! You're sadly mistaken!! That didn't work during the 2010 Midterm elections (You Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrats forgot about that happened and act like it did in spite of B. Hussein Obama & his Socialist/Marxist policies, instead of BECAUSE OF THEM) and it won't work in the 2012 Presidential Election either. ANY of the current crop of GOP Candidates (other than Ron Paul & Jon Huntsman) would be a 10X better POTUS than Obama.
Oh & one last thing to you Leftist, Liberal, Socialist Democrats - Who are you, the party of Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Trans Gender people to lecture ANYbody on morality, Godliness, the Bible, and marital infedility. That's like saying OJ Simpson would be a good marriage counselor, for goodness sakes!!!
You judge Speaker Gingrich for his repented sins, but aren't they what your 2004 Democrat VP Nominee John Edwards did with his dying wife? Like what BJ Clinton did with a girl his daughter's age IN THE OVAL OFFICE OF THE WHITE HOUSE?! Then President BJ lied under oath in the Paula Jones Sexual Harrassment lawsuit (which he eventually settled with her), lied to a Grand Jury under oath and was disbarred as a lawyer from the Arkansas Law Bar and also was only the 2nd POTUS who's ever been impeached. Yeah, you Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrats are the arbiters of morality, family values, and ethical behavior.
Aha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!! Now THAT'S really funny!!!
Instead of posting mindless ramblings which don't even make any sense and confirms just how much of a blind, Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrat follower you truly are, why not defend B. Hussein Obama's RECORD AS POTUS?? Hhhmm??!! Anybody can attack another person and try to divert attention away from Obama's THREE YEARS OF FAILURE AS POTUS & ZERO POSITIVE RESULTS ON THE U.S. ECONOMY.
And just like Obama, the great Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrat, "Community-Organizer-in-Chief" tells you to, you all say things that divide Americans and promotes class warfare and pits one American versus another, but why don't you tell us what good has Obama done in the THREE YEARS that he's been in the White House? What has improved under his watch?
Tell me exactly you Lefist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrat morons, WHAT THE HELL GOOD HAS OBAMA DONE SINCE TAKING OFFICE IN JANUARY 2009? WHAT HAS IMPROVED UNDER HIS SOCIALIST ADMINISTRATION? WHAT SPECIFIC POLICIES OF HIS HAS ACTUALLY WORKED OR HAVE HAD A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE U.S. ECONOMY? WHAT WERE THE SPECIFIC RESULTS? Nuff Said!!!
boys who can't spell their name are stupid ... throw rocks at them.
hope you enjoyed your idiotic rant. I hope you get paid by the number of senseless fox talking points you typed. :)
@ideology
After the first line of all the "ist", I fell asleep. Was the rest of his rant any good?
@phine
Totally devoid of humor ... and hence any reason. He did eventually run out of toilet paper so fortunately only 3 (!)s to cap off his 'argument'.
Whatever you do, do not hide this comment from Johny (sic.). Let the country see just what these people are.
What drugs are you taking?
You can't do much when dealing with a constant filibuster in the Senate and delusional Teapers in the House.
I would like to present your post as evidence of the lunatic wingnut base...
@ideology
Well, maybe now he will put the toilet paper to its proper use. :)
Poor feller losin his mind thinkin about that commie destoyin his beloved country.
He actually thought one of those slick millionares would be better than Ron Paul.
JohnyB
Now all you're doing is copying and pasting from other vines. What's the matter? I guess like all of the GOP/tp you're incapable of original thought. Not a big surprise though. Somehow I seriously doubt if what you pasted is yours anyway.
WHOA!
Johny Bee should think about switching to de-caf!
That was painful! lol
@VermontGuy
He copied that from something he posted on another vine. I doubt if it's his work anyway. He seems none too bright.
That's a lot of words that don't really make a bunch of sense. Other than, Obama, blah, blah, Obama, blah, blah, Obama & the Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Democrats, blah, blah and blah. I could go on and on and on, but you already did that for us.
How about telling us how you really feel?
@Behind_Enemy_Lines_in_Utah
He would but he would have to copy and paste that one too.
Way too much said, actually... In the months before Obama took office, economists were warning that some significant economic indicators were worse than those that preceded the Great Depression. So the fact that we did not experience anything like what the dire forcasts were predicting indicates that things were done right.
J Bee you should consider cleaning up the gene pool and jump before you reproduce!
Well actualy the homosexuals and socialists are very happy right now, you know less than 10% of our population,, but other than that how is clown boy Obama going to fair when his opponant looks at the camera and asks the american people if they are better off now than they were 4 years ago, as Ronald Reagan did while running against Carter,, again the fags and the socialists will say better but that is about it! but i did want to answer your question/
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J B forgot that Dubya bailed out all his banker buddies that to the free tax payer dollars and invested it in T Bills at 3.5% without ever touching the money. All this while Newt raked in the dough from Freddy! What a deal. Then they gave themselves huge bonuses! That's about what can be expected from Reeemy and Newt the loach. As far as Obama being the 1% well he is and so is Buffet and both are not greedy enough to admit the wealthy tax giveaways should end. Bush's tax cuts result in 1\3 of our debt not to mention the interest we pay on it because we don't have the funds for their subsidy. Personal tax breaks don't create jobs, corporate tax breaks do. Corporate tax is passed on to the consumer, personal tax breaks go overseas for Ferraris! Reduce the corporate tax and treat capital gains as income. Then the wealthy will have to pay the same percentage as everyone else!
For starters, he was able to head off an impending full blown depression brought about by Bush and GOP failed polices, and change it over to a hard long recession. He has recognized that Medical care will be our greatest issue in coming years, and the annual increases of the profit based Medical Insurors, such as Blue Cross's 40% increase, are unsustainable. Why is it no one looks at the annual cost of the uninsured to Federal state, and local government that is paid out of general revenues. He recognizes that Americans pay twice as much for the same medical care and pharmacuticals as other Western industustrialized nations, and unless the recipient of such medical care is part of the top 2%, the quality of such care has now slipped down to 40th.
Granted he made one major mistake, he assumed that he was dealing with Americans who were concerned with the best interests of the Nation, and adults in the House and Senate. He tried to let them do their job, to legislate. A mistake. As it is now, the GOP is doing nothing to help this nation work its way out of the econmic mess the GOP created with its failed "Deregulaiton, and Tax cuts for the Job creators, which along with two wars with no tax increases, turned a small surplus at the beginning of the Bush terms, to massive deficits, and an economic meltdown.
What are the GOP solutions you long for? More tax cuts for the job creators, who have not created jobs, but continued to amass more wealth, now owning more than 40% of all of America's assets, up from only 8% in 1969. Three GOP Adminsitrations pushing their failed deregulation, and tax cuts create jobs polices have created the situation we now find ourselves in, and what has the GOP done since 2010? Stalled, blocked, filibustered, and delayed any attempts to get a rational job legislative program passed. What is the GOP solution for our miserable economy? Tax cut for the job creators, Deregulaiton to inspire Corporate America to invest in job creation, and spending cuts now to balance the Federal budget. Tell me, how much in profits does the GOP need to give Corporate American before it will begin hireing again? Isn't the 3.5 Trillion dollars in Corporate profits sitting in banks on and off shore enought to warrant hireing? How much more does Corporate America need before it will hire? Face it, the solution is not more profits for them, but for the Federal Government to take charge, and implement its own jobs programs, just as was done in the Great Depression. Unfortunately, the sad remenants of the late, great GOP now in office will not allow any sane legislation to create jobs to pass. Why, because more important than getting this nation working again is the very top goal of the GOP/Tea Party, defeat Obama in 2012, and letting the public and working poor suffer, as the middle class continues to shrink is a small price to pay for their anticipated victory.
Why would any sane American vote for any Right Wing GOP Candidates? All their failed solutions will do is restart a recession, then as more Federal cuts go into effect, push the Nation into a full blown depression. That is the GOP plan for America, Putting the party first, the nation last.
Elliot you have no working memory. The quote was Bill Clinton and you are as dumb as you look!
Class warfare" ?The GOP has been engaged in just that for years, subsidizing the top 2% for three GOP Administrations, with tax cuts which added 8 Trillion dollars to our deficits, and which the 98% will end up subsidising when they have to pay most of it off. What many need to do is take a look at the progressive tax rates back in the 50s and 60s. Today, taxes are lower than they have been in 60 years, which is one reason we have the fiscal problems and deficits we do at this point. Meanwhile, where are the jobs which the tax cuts for the job creators created during the Bush years? How about Bush 1, or even Reagan, who at this point in the GOP poltical history, would be tarred and feathered as to "moderate" to be a card carrying member of the GOP.
Lets see, the top 2%'s assets now total 40% of the assets of the US, their income has gone up 275% thanks to GOP measures, while the 98%'s has gone down, the middle class has shrunk, and the working poor, those below the poverty level, and the numbers of the unemployed have greatly expanded. Yes, that certainly does look like the GOP version of "Class Warfare", and most of us know who is winning.
Gee, misanthropic negativists like you Johnny Bee sure are not the answer. So your rant is not "MINDLESS". You know I can write something equally long listing Obama's accomplishments in the Oval Office but frankly those like yourself do not deserve a response of such worth or effort. Go see your local mental health counselor, get some anger management therapy and then maybe we can talk!
Of course if you cured your anger issues you probably would no longer be a GOP'er or TP or a representative of whatever extremist organization you follow. I would rather ask you to name one positive thing Barack Obama has done in office as POTUS? Just one! As a misanthrope we know this simple assignment will challenge you but give it a try. You make yourself look like an absolute fool focusing on the purely negative. No matter the accomplishment one might list in your twisted mind these are negatives. Why bother?
Simply keeping this nation functioning during the worst loss of wealth in our illustrious history is a accomplishment I would hold in quite high regard. Doing this while pessimists like yourself bitch and whine continually only makes the job that much more difficult. Your ilk is the worst current pox on our society. Look at the candidates and policies your bizarre beliefs represent!
You throw around words like Leftist, Liberal, and Democrat as pejoratives but I am proud to be a free thinking, forward moving, human being. Life is short and beautiful, nobody should make time for those like yourself who cannot see the sun rise. Therefore your 50 seconds are up.
Get some help! Seriously.
Um. Wow.
Like Matt L-1901963 said,
To Johnny Bee the corporate butt plug:
He saved Chrysler.
I (still) work for Chrysler.
Nuff said.
Take some meds dude.
Vote Romney !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or
4 more years of Oballah :(
Which Romney would that be ?
Romney works for his corporate friends. Slimy Newt is in it for the money (he'll take ALL of it and set a record for corruption). Ron Paul is the way to go!
I've considered voting for Romney. Gingrich is, of course, out of the question! If Obama can redeem himself, he may get my vote. OR, Nov. 6th, 2012, may be family night at home!
Maybe this youtube video with George Carlin will help you make up your mind?
Link here:
Guess my links aren't welcome here, sniff, sniff................ boo hoo, boo hoo
(George Carlin swears by it, or swears on it.......)
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Johny Bee - TLDNR - This is exactly what most people predicted. Anyone who can get nominated by the extremist Republican primary voters can't win the general election. Ha Ha Hee.
Hey Middle America Man,
Your TLDNR, really should be TLCNR - Too Long CAN NOT Read.
I think what most of you people are missing is that Barney the Big purple Dinosaur will beat Obama next year handily unless somehting dramatic turns around in out economy.. How is that clown going to answer a question such as the one Ronald Reagan asked the public when he ran agaisnt Carter,, "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" outside of the Homsexual and socialist communities very very few people can answer yes to that question, so i dont thing the gays and solicialist of our country are anywhere near large enough in numbers to put clown boy back in office.. Our social decline will reverse to some degree when there is a new president that cares more about job and people being able to eat than spending all his time promoting faggotism and promoting the have nots becasue they wont work that are jeleous of the people that will work and have become successfull!!
And just so you will know this come from a person that grew up with a mom where we lived well below the poverty line!
But they can acknowledge that but for the steps taken by Obama, we would now be much worse off than we now are, as well as understand that the very same GOP policies being touted as "solutions", more tax cuts for the rich, more deregulation to create a better "business envirnoment", and Federal spending cuts and layoffs to immdeately begin balancing the budget will only start up a new recession.
The GOP has no solutions to our probems, other than blocking, stalling, and denying reality. Their plan for the next year is to keep America miserable, in limbo, and pray to the GOP Gods that the public isn't smart enought to understand exactly what they are doing. Right now, and until 2012, it is all about defeating Obama, no matter what it may cost the country and its people, as they actively block any meaningful recovery legislation.
Lincoln once said: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time." We shall see how this works out for the GOP in November, 2012.
Anyone remember how much the market investors lost during the Debt Ceiling debacle last year? 2.5 Trillion dollars, plus our AAA+ credit rating, but as Boener crowed, "We got 99% of what we wanted!"
This is the GOP that wants to run our nation.
Why doesn't the majority of the country understand that the rich are the key to economic recovery? Who do they think employs the middle and lower class? Don't people see that if we continue with Obama's policies for another four years that we will end up like the European countries where socialism has been tried and failed? I don't understand why everyone likes the idea of being taken care of from the cradle to the grave. The only price required for that prescription is your freedom. Big Brother takes over every aspect of your life. Wake up and smell the coffee, people, before it's too late!!!
"Why doesn't the majority of the country understand that the rich are the key to economic recovery?"
Because they are NOT. Nobody ever started a business because they got a tax cut. Nobody ever hired a new employee because they got a tax cut. Tax cuts DO NOT create jobs. Tax increases DO NOT kill jobs. In the 80s, the economy did not boom after the Reagan tax cuts, the boom started on 1983 AFTER Reagan increased taxes. Clinton increased taxes and what followed was the greatest economic boom in history. Obama has signed into law more business tax cuts than any president in history and the economy is crawling along. Again --- tax cuts DO NOT create jobs.
why don't people understand that obama isn't doing socialism? don't people see that if we continue with the widening gap in income that this country is in deep trouble, and perhaps headed for social unrest? I don't understand why everyone likes the idea of the middle class disappearing. Wake up and smell the coffee, people, before its too late!
@vermontguy
They just like words that end in "ism"
Why doesn't the majority of the country understand that DEMAND is the key to economic recovery! Get money into the hands of the middle class, rebuild American infrastructure and impose tariffs! Sheese, giving breaks to the wealthy is for idiots! We've TRIED that!... Failed!
When are teabaggers going to understand that tax cuts to the wealthy do not create jobs? Bush's tax cuts of the past 10 years , along with his borrowing from China the costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, led the country into a recession ! The middel class needs tax relief to be able to have more to spend and the banks need to start loaning someof their trillions of dollars to small businesses.
too many people are jeleous of those that are successfull to ever wake up and smell the coffee,, they would rather wake up about noon to a hand out!!!
To much of our country is to jeleous of those who have obtained success to ever wake up and smell the coffee,, they would rather wake up about noon to a hand out/entitlement that is taken away form the hard working successfull people of our country!
Oh give it a rest, imbecile. The rich are doing nothing but shipping jobs overseas.
Why don't half-wits like yourself understand that jobs aren't created by the rich. They are created because there is a DEMAND FOR PRODUCTS, which means ORDINARY PEOPLE HAVING MONEY TO SPEND? It's the growing income inequality and lack of mobility that is killing the economy.
After reading about what Obozo said at an NBC panel, i don't know how anyone could vote for him. If you didn't read this, he said "Democracy was standing in the way of his greatness" He wants to be a Dictator. Give me a break.What an egotistical piece of crap.
Actually RealAmericanValues,
We all should get used to saying COMRADE Obama, if he gets re-elected to another 4-year term.
lol, "comrad"? update your calendar, the 50s are over and so is the 'red menace"! lol
Obummer may just call for martial law and stay in power like his hero Castro.
Anyone who runs against him well win.
i'd like to see that quote..in context.
@Vermontguy
You won't. It's hard to quote and reference a lie.
Get help.
Albert Heizman - as much as I literally despised Bush I never disrespected the office of the President and sir I require the same respect from you - You playing with your stupid name calling offends me - now you have a problem with policies, then discuss it - as a grown up - last I looked only children resorted to name calling
Pelosi is the obvious third witch.
Sorry, Laura, missed you down here. Nope, the third witch is (drum roll please), Rick Santorum. No reason, just think he would look cute with the other two.
Oops... Faux news link..... auto-fail!
In the dozen swing states where voters will decide the 2012 presidential election, a new Gallup/USA Today poll shows President Obama losing to the current Republican frontrunners by significant margins.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/13/swing-state-poll-shows-obamas-narrow-options/#ixzz1gSm5tms7
its way too early to tell in the general election. If the economy continues to improve, and depending on who the candidate is, obama can still definitely win. its going to be close no matter who wins.
I cant see hispanics, poor whites or blacks voting for Newt, he is out of touch with middle income familes, and he seems kinda implusive set in his delusional ways.
I'm very encouraged to see that this poll shows that half of voters would vote for Mr. Gingrich in the general election, he hasn't even started that campaign yet! Thanks MSNBC for providing this good news for conservatives (even if you tried hard to spin it the other way).
yes, he hasn't started his campaign..and nor has the mud started heading his way either, so its really a wash at this point.
and as far as the 50%, it IS a negative for newt, compared to the other candidates: "
What’s more, 50 percent of registered voters say they would not vote for Gingrich in a general election -- compared with 45 percent who said that about Obama and 44 percent who said that about Romney."
the fact that 50% will NOT vote for newt doesn't mean that 50% WILL vote for him, do you do realize that? apparently not.
vermontguy,
You're a Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Marxist, Democrat fool!!! Why don't you check the CBS News Poll which ran from Dec. 5th through the 7th, 2011.
It stated that 54% of Americans DON'T BELIEVE THAT OBAMA DESERVES TO BE RE-ELECTED IN NOV. 2012. 54% IS MORE THAN 50%, OK?!! Idiot!!!
Hey Johny Bee,
I'm holding up three fingers.
Read between the lines.
Hmmm .. the economy is diving like a nuclear sub, unemployment is over 10%, the deficit will eventually lead to a deep recession, we experienced the devaluation of the dollar for the first time in US history, and then there's the housing market, and the foreign policy?? Wow ... that is a lot of @!$%#e that Obama has hung on us in the last 3 years. If that is what Obama is feeding us, I would have to be a complete moron to vote for him in 2012?? And to anyone that would want him back in office you must be a complete nitwit, dimwit, dope, dolt, lamebrain, knuckelhead, bonehead, imbecile and slubberdegullion!! What I'm saying is you'de have to be really stupid to want that phony in office any longer!
Zman-1070873,
Agreed. But you forgot Community-Organizer-in-Chief, Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Marxist, Democrat and most of all FAILURE OF A POTUS AND THE WORST POTUS SINCE JIMMY CARTER, WITH BJ CLINTON COMING IN AS A CLOSE SECOND PLACE TOO.
economy is diving? unemployment over 10%? lol, where do you get your "facts"...your rear orifice? :)
fail. and talking of "complete morons", you might well be an authority. :)
johnny b: anyone who thinks clinton was 'second worst' as president also qualifies as an authority on "complete morons" due to self experience. :)
Mabe the unemployed millions well vote for whoever runs against Obama.
If you suck at your job you get canned and replaced.
Vermony guy ... do you have electricity and indoor plumbing up there??? I forgot chowderhead, mentally defective and clodpated ... no not Obama, I meant you!!
Hey Zman-1070873 & vermontguy,
It's obvious you two and people of your ilk are nothing but Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Marxist, Demorat, Robot Followers of B. Hussein Obama and his Socialist Democrat Party, b/c all you can do is childishly attack others who have a different view than yours. You two morons and people of your ilk NEVER talk about B. Hussein Obama's accomplishments as President and what he's done to improve the U.S. Economy & Joblessness...funny how you people love to try and CHANGE THE SUBJECT, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND B. HUSSEIN OBAMA'S THREE YEARS OF FAILURE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
IT DIDN'T WORK IN THE 2010 MIDTERM ELECTIONS AND IT WON'T WORK IN THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION EITHER. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE WILL SEE TO THAT..PERIOD...END OF STORY.
JohnnyBee,
Seems like you continue using the "Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Marxist, etc...".
Obama will win in 2012. What most people fail to realize is that these polls are just a sample of voters - they do not poll the entire country. And despite what Faux News has filled your brain with, there are alot of voters throughout the country who don't feel the need to participate at polls, or go online to participate in polls, or hell, even reply on these message boards. They let their voices be heard at the ballot box....
No "zman," you don't need to consider what Obama has or has not done to be a complete moron. That was your starting point, based upon the illogic of your rant. Many of those "nitwits" actually have the intelligence to look at the facts.
You conveniently ignore how the economy got this way and how GOP stonewalling and blocking just about every attempt to improve the economy [simply for the sole purpose of retaking the White House - Mitch McConnell]. But hey, who needs logic, rationality or intelligence? It is a free country and one can express their opinion, whether or not it makes any sense.
Countrygirl126 why don't you want to be taken care of from cradle to the grave. That is why I work in hopes that I will be taken care of from cradle to grave. If I am going to work I expect to be taken care of otherwise I will just go on government welfare like you farm girls do by getting a government handout for taking care of your sheep.
TO: Red-2686822 who wrote:"
What do you mean you "expect to be taken care of"?
By whom?
You mean, like Republican Welfare Queen Michelle Bachmann who is a licensed attorney but still gets 23 welfare checks every month, 1 for each of her 23 foster kids that she won't adopt because Bachmann is addicted to welfare checks and food stamps?
Republicans are the #1 recipients of "waste, fraud and abuse" of government programs, and they don't want ANYBODY to touch "their" welfare money, not even the people it's actually intended to help, like, THE POOR!
I was for government healthcare before I was against it. Sounds like Newt and Romney
Vote Romney, the only true gentleman in the crowd. Ann Romney: "When I was first diagnosed with MS I was discouraged and fearful of my future and the things I couldn't do anymore." Mitt said, "Don't worry, I will never leave you. I will eat cold cereal and toast for the rest of my life."
Newt could learn how to be a true husband from Mitt.
Bob that is hilarious.
So you think it's O.K. to leave your sick wife like Newt did?
Dem lawmaker blasts Obama as arrogant, alienating...