Lack of integrity and honesty on financial matters within the campaign?

And so they went off to join the Gingrich and Romney campaigns?

Where integrity and honesty rule.

LoLoL

Somedays it just pays to get up out of bed and mosey over to First Read.

The scary thing is that one of these two people we already know to to be dishonest may be eleted. Huntsman was the last shot we had at a republican candidate with some sense of honor. His ideas were as screwy as the rest of them, but he had some sense of decency, and had not been bought by Norquist.

[Lack of integrity and honesty on financial matters within the campaign? And so they went off to join the Gingrich and Romney campaigns?]

This is laughable, at best...and who says the GOP/Tea Party doesn't have a twisted view of things...

I don't think anyone recognizes how important this story is. There is a roughly a month for another GOP wannabe to take the anti-Romney position. Given the way this race has unfolded that is plenty of time for Huntsman to rise to the top of this pathetic field.

Why is that important? Because of all the candidates the Republicans have brought forth none are as legitimate as Huntsman. Go back and read what pundits were saying when Obama made Huntsman ambassador. Team Obama actually respects Huntsman, that is one of the reasons they made him ambassador.

From the article: "Richard Brothers had left the campaign and his accusations are false, we wish him the best in his future endeavors," Huntsman spokesperson Tim Miller told NBC News.

In other words, "Brothers bailed out on us and he is a damn liar but best of luck to him, anyway!"

Good luck with that.

Anna Molly, so true.

It's impossible to buy their argument about jumping the Huntsman ship because of integrity and honesty in financing. The truth is, these two know that after IA and NH, they will be unemployed because Huntsman won't be able to continue.

What's up nisl?

Say - Corzine, despite confessing he lost $1.6 billion from client accounts and $40 billion in really top notch investments, is still not in jail, and faces absolutely no charges.

Neat trick right?

Especially when you consider al the fantastic things he has going for him:

1. He was the first guy Obama and Biden called in January 2009 to fix the economy;

2.He was a huge Obama bundler;

3. He was [IS?] Obama's "man on Wall Street."

3. He managed to lose all that case long after Enron, which of course is why the big brains in the government created Sarbanes- Oxley. You know the one where the CEO is responsible for all the money and face criminal prosecution when it is gone?

4. He managed to do it even after the meltdown in '08, which brought us Dodd-Frank which was supposed to protect against this very thing.

Funny how the very regulator in charge was a former staffer, right?

But alas nisl, despite these very specific laws, and all the laws and regs from the SEC and FINRA, Corzine is not in jail. In fact no charges even filed.

Gosh, I wonder if it could have anything do do with Corzine's relationship with team Obama?

Plus the old campaign slogans and commercials kinda write themselves, especially one he is in jail.

So nisl, why isn't Corzine in jail yet?

[So nisl, why isn't Corzine in jail yet?]

Still hammering away on the Corzine "conspiracy"?

So, just how much time did you spend this weekend perusing the State Bar of California website, Spanky...you know...the sections on ethics and rules?

Let us know what you find, "counselor"...

Spanky - I see you are still an idiot, some things never change.

Have you looked up due process? No? Maybe you should ask a lawyer the following:

Why isn't Corzine in jail yet?

You don't even have to ask a good lawyer, just ask any old lawyer. If you can't find a lawyer maybe you should just watch an episode of Law and Order.

PS - I love that you are so proud of your ignorance. For today's Republicans being stupid is a matter of pride, you prove that every day.

Yeah, due process.

That's an interesting thing, but why ask a lawyer, I got you.

Nisl - we republicans are mighty stupid - for instance we think there is far too much regulation.

Like Sarbanes Oxley. Nisl help me understand. It was created in response to Enron, as the government's answer. It holds CEO accountable for lost money. Corzine admits losing the money.

Due process? Sure. What else could it be?

But the better one is the fact that the Corzine, through personal influence, got the regulator to look the other way.

Dodd-Frank - seems to really be working, eh nisl?

You know nisl, it's almost like you do not think Corzine should be in jail.

Huh. You'd think you would not be so supportive of a wall Street Fat cat. But I guess he's on team blue, so exceptions must be made.

Maybe tomorrow they arrest him, eh nisl?

[...we republicans are mighty stupid...]

Funny, it wasn't that long ago that you claimed to be a "conservative" with "tea party" leanings...

Nisl - we republicans are mighty stupid - for instance we think there is far too much regulation.

Congratulations, that is the your first true comment on First Read ever.

So have you figured out why Corzine isn't in jail yet? No? You can't be bothered to know anything about due process?

There is this saying most American children know, you would have learned it if you had stayed in school. The saying goes, "Innocent until proven guilty." It is a part of Due Process, not that you know what that is.

Aren't you tired of hanging out at a website where most everyone considers you an inbred troglodyte? Why don't you go to Red State, or Stormfront or whatever website you wingnut birth defects congregate at and leave this site for those with functioning brains.

Yeah - innocent until proven guilty. Especially if you never get charged. Very neat, that.

Unless you actually read Sarbanes Oxley. Funny thing about those burdens of proof, eh nisl?

People don't like me here? Oh no.

Of course they profess to hate Wall Street fat cats too.

Except for all of the ones on Team Obama.

Whatever shall I do?

Besides I get so much knowledge from you super smart people.

Ya know, I would have thought that Sarbanes - Oxley would have been sufficient to bring charges against Corzine.

Especially after he admitted he didn't know what happened to the money.

Did you know Corzine was a Co-Sponsor of Sarbanes-Oxley?

Hey nisl, do you know what Sarbanes - Oxley is?

Maybe you and your functioning brain could shed some light on why a bill that Corzine Co-Sponsored hasn't been applied in this case?

[Why don't you go to Red State, or Stormfront...]

Actually, Junior is well liked over at Fox Nation and The Blaze...they actually believe he is a "counselor"...

Unless you actually read Sarbanes Oxley.

Sigh, even if Corzine broke the law under Sarbanes Oxley he would still get his day in court. Your ignorance is astounding. And Sarbanes Oxley makes CEOs responsible for misstatements in their financial statements (the bigger Sarbanes Oxley provision, section 404, has to do with internal controls, a concept that is far beyond you ability to comprehend,) and the blowup at Man Financial came on fairly quickly. I'm not sure MF actually misstated their Financials, as they recognized and reported the loss when it became apparent.

People don't like me here? Oh no.

I doubt many people like you anywhere, but they loathe you here.

Whatever shall I do?

Stop coming here and start going to Red State and Stormfront like I suggested. Those sites celebrate ignorance and stupidity, you should fit right in.

Things you won't see in FR articles:

- Anything about Rod "My best friend is named Bubba" Blagojevich

- Anything about Jon "Where's the $1.2 billion?" Corzine

- Anything about AG Eric Holder and Fast and Furious (Perjury is a crime, right? Maybe we should ask Billy C?)

- Anything about anything other except for the Presidential race

It's fine that FR has insulated themselves from the rest of the political world and have 100% focus on the presidential race. It's there sandbox, they can do what they want. But they missing about 90% of what is going on in the country.

Mickey says, "Actually, Junior is well liked over at Fox Nation and The Blaze...they actually believe he is a "counselor"..."

Well then they are gullible. His every post drips ignorance. Look at his posts above, he asks me to read Sarbanes Oxley (something I did years ago for professional reasons) as if there is some magic provision that would send Corzine to jail without a trial. There is no way the legal profession has slipped to the point that Spanky is an attorney.

nisl - how do we get to the court part if his friends in high places won't allow charges to be brought?

There are far more components of Sarbanes-Oxley than just accurate reporting. Then of course there is all the SEC and other law about client accounts.

He robbed the bank and you want to give him a pass cause he's a dem.

But it's fine nisl, perhaps tomorrow they haul him in. Or maybe it'll be after a campaign commercial or two.

It's funny WCA - I suspect our man nisl hates Corzine, and hates what he did, but now fights for the guy to 'win' an argument.

The winning position being Corzine should remain free for as long as possible, or something.

So nisl does this mean you will not be my PR person? oH no, what shall I do?

Good thing I got Mickey. Mickey is there for me, no matter what.

Not without a trial nisl.

But to get there we need charges. So many of which will come from Sarbanes, once the slow walk ends.

Say you think they can sweep this under the rug until after the election? That'd be fantastic.

You know the whole due process thing-y.

What was really funny when Corzine testified to Congress was the placard in front him with the words "The Honorable Mr. Jon Corzine". There are a lot of words being used to describe Mr. Corzine, "Honorable" doesn't seem to be one of them.

There are a lot of words being used to describe Snuffy, "Honorable" doesn't seem to be one of them.

Did I miss where Corzine is running for President?

"But they missing about 90% of what is going on in the country.":

Which is why YOU hang out her so much??

Neat.

"- I suspect our man nisl hates Corzine, and hates what he did, but now fights for the guy to 'win' an argument."

nisl- can you point me to your post(s) where you say this? Even though Spany says it's so- I, for the life of me, can't seem to find it???

Which is why YOU hang out her so much??

Dang!

You beat me too it Buzz!

Poor Sniffy, the old nag, was rode hard and put away wet this weekend! ;o)

Spanky - So have you figured out why Corzine isn't in jail yet?

Hint - Due process, Innocent until Proven Guilty, hasn't had his day in court...

And just an FYI - I highly doubt the eventual charges, should there be any, will have anything to do with Sarbanes Oxley. Go and read it and you will realize why.

I suspect our man nisl hates Corzine, and hates what he did, but now fights for the guy to 'win' an argument.

Ha! Is that what you think this is? I couldn't care less about Corzine, if he is found guilty he should go to jail. What I can't stand is halfwit wingnut trolls like you who continuously post and repost the same moronic questions over and over again even though the average zygote has enough knowledge to know the answer.

"There are a lot of words being used to describe Snuffy, "Honorable" doesn't seem to be one of them."

How in the world do you confuse 'honorable' with 'bovine', Feisty?? C'mon, now....

[Good thing I got Mickey. Mickey is there for me, no matter what.]

I sure am, junior...so just how much time have you spent perusing the State Bar of California website?

You can't...you won't... (did I tell you how much I LOVE saying that?)

Seems there's loads of good stuff on billing practices and such...you know...billing clients for time not really spent on thier cases...but you know that already, don't you Spanky...

Sure you do...

Yeah, it's kind funny isn't it nisl? An $80 billion dollar company that's been around for a 100 years, gone in 3 months. And the ex-CEO hasn't a clue on where the money went. Rogue clerks probably. $1.2 billion of investors money looks to be used to float some of Mr. Corzines companies "investments" into the European bond market. That's against the rules. Again, rogue clerks.

Ya'think the government regulators with all their new and fancy oversight rules would have caught that, but yet, they did not. And he Libs want more regulation, but it appears they didn't use the regulations they have, or maybe it was a campaign donation that led them off the trail? Who knows. Who cares.

Those rogue clerks though will get their day in court.

Jon Boy of course is all lawyer-ed up. And those lawyers will be lot better than those rogue clerks get.

Drive By - I don't give two squirts about Corzine. If he is found to have broken the law he should go to jail.

The point I'm trying to make has nothing to do with Corzine. I'm just tired of Spanky's stupid questions.

Part of me thinks there is no way anyone can really be that stupid, that Spanky is putting on some kind of performance internet art which is meant to illustrate how stupid our rightwing brethren are. Or maybe he is paid by liberals to make Republicans look stupid.

Buzz, what kind of treatments are you getting for your zoophilia?

best hurry with your reply, Spanky...you've just about reached your "half-way-down-the-page attention whore" limit...

"Buzz, what kind of treatments are you getting for your zoophilia?"

Why, inadequate ones, y' big silly.

exactly.

Looks like the 2012 GOP Primary is playing out like a series of bad 1970's horror movies and it looks like Ben Gingrich has the upper hand on Willard Romney. Time to call an exterminator to deal with the rat infestation.

All of you who wanna keep Guantanamo open should read the NewYork Times article this past weekend about the Real cost of keepin it open. 171 prisinors there at a cost of $800,000 each(each year) versus $25,000 for other Known Convicted Terrorist(Shoe bomber/Mousauiii) in America's Prison system. Deficit reduction starts at Home!

I'll take Political Screwups for $10, 000 Alex!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

I wish they had closed Gitmo a long time ago. It is a black eye to our country. I cannot believe that we cannot house them in a maximum security facility here, if such is necessary.

phinephancy, good points. While I do not agree with Huntsman ideologically, he is not an extremist wack-a-do. How ironic that the GOP ignores their best candidate for 2012, because--sin of sins--he worked for President Obama as Ambassador to China and they now think he's a "moderate".

Over the weekend, I was thinking about all the hoopla when President Obama appointed Huntsman; the media and pundits suggested it was to get Huntsman, the rising GOP star, out of contention in 2012. Whether it was political or not, President Obama apparently won because the GOP's anti-Obama obsession has essentially removed Huntsman from the list of potential nominees.

Rick, KY, hadn't seen that. President Obama planned to close Guantanamo Bay and it should be closed. It is one of those things where Congressional democrats listened to the GOP and jumped the "fear" shark to help republicans keep it open--still bugs me that they tucked their tails to avoid being called weak on terror and refused to stand with President Obama to get it done.

We have a brand spanking new EMPTY prison in NE IL who begged to take the Guantanamo detainees.

Thanks to the NIMBY morons, it was turned down!

Guantanamo Bay - the 2011 version of the Hotel California, you can check in but you can NEVER leave...

I care about this story. $15,000 a month to act as a campaign strategist? No wonder politicians don't understand average Americans.

I agree, Amy--no wonder the politicians are out of touch--their advisors are out of touch, too. And I thought Huntsman had all kinds of family money---does it not bother him not to pay for services rendered to his campaign?

Amy, Steeler Fan, I agree.

I had thought that Huntsman was positioning himself for 2016 but lately I'm wondering if he is just as messed up as the rest of them. Go figure.

I'd had the same thought, Steeler Fan, though I don't know what Huntsman would do in the interim to keep his name recognition up unless he runs for some other office. Just being a professional candidate for four years doesn't seem to have helped Santorum's chances any. Though at least it's kept him out of Pennsylvania, so we should be grateful for small favors, huh? :)

We can be glad that Santorum spends so much time in Iowa, JoAnne! I guess Huntsman can write a book, go on a tour, get a show on Fox and be a professional candidate---that is what the rest of them seem to do.

Lucky Iowa, we get Santorum!

My phone was relatively quiet this weekend. I did get another GOP survey call with a real person on the other end and I was able to say--again--that I'm a registered democrat and, no I wouldn't be going to the GOP caucus. Geez, I wish they'd get me off the GOP list.

My phone was relatively quiet this weekend

If I were you Jody, by now, I would of stuffed into the freezer! ;o)

From the article: "According to the most recent FEC report, the campaign is approximately $900,000 in debt."

Unless he can address the mounting debt he is incurring, I think Huntsman's current crumbling bid for the GOP nomination may be carrying the seeds of disaster for any attempt at a nomination in '16.

Huntsman may be waiting for Federal funds to be disbursed before he pulls the plug on his failed campaign. That way he can pay off some or all of his outstanding debts. If he chooses to go for broke, he is ruining any chance he may have had for a credible push in '16 by making a jackass out of himself in 2012.

Huntsman is the son of a billionaire oil and chemical father and a multi-millionaire himself. While I am sure you are right and he would prefer another solution to his campaign debt, he could pay it personally, if necessary.

But, I agree with your basic proposition. To stay in and viable requires "throwing a lot more money down a dry well" and moving much further to the right than he's comfortable with, thus actually beginning to endanger his chances in 2016, with a reformed and more moderate Republican Party.

"...a reformed and more moderate Republican Party."

We can only hope.

Stone6, for the good of the country, this liberal also hopes for "a reformed and more moderate Republican Party".

Anabanana, sad but true.