"Ask Osama Bin Laden... whether I engage in appeasement" -- Barack Obama, 12/8/11

I love my President, Merry Christmas!

didn't Mittens Daddy pretty much run that organization? It reminds me of the Bush dynasty, where Daddy buys the presidency for his special needs child. Too bad Mittens, no amount of money will get you in. But You can help by slinging more s#it at the Newt.

Wait it's not his dad, it's his former buisnes cohorts

I love Feisty - always busting out with her complete lack of understanding of the topics at hand.

So according to Feisty - Citizens is terrible and all the fault of the Roberts Court.

That's funny cause I'm doing a set of jury instructions right now. And guess what - this is covered.

The basic Cali jury instruction reads:

A corporation/entity is a party in this lawsuit. It is entitled to the same fair and impartial treatment that you would give to an individual. You must decide this case with the same fairness that you would use if you were deciding the case between individuals.

But I guess in land o' Feisty, Roberts made this up from scratch, right?

And included in the CACI instructions are the Sources and authority.

This particular instruction is derived from Corporations Code, Sec 207. It specifies that a corporation 'shall have all of the powers of a natural citizen in carrying out business activities.

Cal. Code Sec. 14 defines the word 'person' to include corporations as well as natural persons.

And of course all of the states have similar laws. as do the Feds.

So what were you all saying about that crazy Roberts court?

You guys are going to lose your democracy if you don't get rid of super PACs.

Here comes Spanky to "edumacate" us on our legal system!

Spanky, have you figured out why Corzine isn't in jail yet?

You guys are going to lose your democracy if you don't get rid of super PACs.

Tell me about it...

*shakes head*

Another "false equivalency" argument from the "counselor." Do you really believe that you can equate the Citizens United decision with trial jury instructions dude? Let me remind you that the CU decision was about MONEY and NOT about the treatment of corporations by the court! Of course in your warped world you are OK with secret corporate funding of campaigns now aren't you. Spank you have really outdone yourself on this post and exposed yourself for the sociopath you are.

"but but but but what about those dirty unions and the other liberal groups" in 3,2,1......I can hear it now!

@Spanky You're correct, that in a court room, a corporation has the same legal rights as a person. However, before this decision was made by "Robert's court", corporations did not have the right to buy an election.

do you really want large corporations buying our government leaders before they even get into office?

Torpedo - If you really believe Spanky is an attorney you aren't paying attention to the drivel he posts. Yesterday he kept insisting we tell him why Corzine isn't in jail yet, there is no way any lawyer could be that ignorant of the law.

Most likely he is a high school drop out with no friends and a basement apartment conveniently located directly beneath his mommy's house.

Nisl..But he says his wife is D lawyer! Most likely spends most of the day watching porn.

Torpedo - He lies a lot. If he has a wife she is inflatable.

Ooooh -- I see Spanky is trying to prove up his legal bonafides on this thread.

My own instinct tells me to sit back and let the man work.

Spanky (from another thread):

You are a lawyer who bills out her time at $250-$300 per hour. You represent defendants, including large businesses and defend them against claims brought by an assortment of individuals [you know the 'little guy'].

So what exactly does that make you?

A highly paid cheerleader? A facilitator of big business? Shoot - you are yourself a 'big business.'

Or do the businesses you represent not change money?

I represent businesses PRIMARILY Spanky, none of them "big" -- at least by your standards. I sometimes represent individuals, too. Just the other day, in fact. I try to help my clients -- all of them -- do the right thing. I'm NOT a cheerleader for large, corrupt financial institutions, or a facilitator of big business, and I'm certainly NOT a big business, myself, at least not by the standards you claim for yourself here.

What I AM is tired of the way you talk to people. Very tired.

The rest is none of your business.

Be sure to read my comment very carefully, "Counselor," as it is the last comment addressed to you that you'll ever read from me.

Oh no, nisl and Torpedo. Only a few not around.

Prove up AM? Nope just citing to the actual law. You know the stuff that was in existence well before the dreaded Citizens case?

So do tell Torpedo - is the law to treat a monetary issue differntly than other issues when dealing with a corporation?

Golly even a 'fake' lawyer like me, and a non practicing one like your wife can figure that one out.

Besides AM knows. And she gets the big bucks.

Nisl - has Corzine testified yet? How many times has he taken the 5th?

Spanky - have you figured out why Corzine isn't in jail yet? Maybe you should ask someone who doesn't consider themselves a lawyer purely because they sat through a Law and Order marathon like you.

Well I hope our 'learned' counselor from the great state of CA. does a better job writing up jury instructions than the does in what he writes here.

Well I hope our 'learned' counselor from the great state of CA. does a better job writing up jury instructions than the does in what he writes here.

You know the old adage Gingerbread Mamma - you get what you pay for! ;o)

Lets see....we have Lionel Spanky the "counselor" spouting Cali codes like the usual drivel he spouts.

Ya know Spanky, I've been doing a bit of digging lately on the State Bar of California's web page...especially the sections on ethics and rules of the State Bar...all I can is wow, seems the Cali State Bar Association is S-T-R-I-C-T strict, especially when it comes to these two subjects.

But I'm sure there are plenty of topics regarding billing for "research" that was never performed.

Are you familiar with these, "counselor"? Sure you are...or maybe not?

Don't you think it's time you brushed up on those ethics and rules? Yes? No? Maybe so?

I sure do...

Me, too. ;-)

There have been quite a few Mormons in office or running for office, two currently running for POTUS, representatives from Utah like Sen. Hatch, even Harry Reid, at the state level, judges, etc. Is there any record of a female Mormon running for anything? This should be disconcerting to female voters in regard to Romney. I'll bet their wives have never worked = not a First Lady for the masses in the 21st century.

You're correct. The only thing that matters to teabaggers is hate and Romney doesn't provide enough for them.

This story and your post actually hit on two very distinct issues with our current governmental and election systems. First, the fact that campaigning has basically become a simple economic game, driven mostly by a handful of large contributors. And second, the partisan bickering that politicians do and our media both encourages and thrives on. These are two of the major issues that have caused our legislature to stop focusing on the needs and desires of the American people, and instead focusing on the desires of a few large organizations and the constant need to have their political "team" win. This cannot continue. The American Overhaul Act (www.americanoverhaulact.org) contains a set of proposed Constitutional amendments that are designed to fix these and a few other systemic problems that have essentially halted our government:

- Congressional Term Limits: A maximum of two four-year terms in either House or Senate, and 12 years total in Congress.

- Federal Campaign Finance Reform: The vast majority of funds any candidate spends on a federal election campaign must come from a federal election campaign fund. These federal election campaign funds will be doled out equally to all candidates running for a position (candidates must meet certain pre-determined minimum requirements), and at least three candidates for any seat must receive funds.

- Congressional Size Limits: Membership in the House of Representatives will be permanently fixed at 300 members.

- Congressional Compensation: Congressional salaries will be fixed at four times the median household income. Additionally, health insurance will only be provided to members while they are actually serving in Congress (no lifelong healthcare) and pensions for members of Congress will be eliminated.

- Eliminate Party Favoritism: This amendment will require the elimination of all laws, rules, or regulations that favor or disfavor, either by inclusion or exclusion, any elected official or candidate for an elected office, based upon affiliation with any political party, or lack of affiliation with a political party.

- Balanced Budget Requirement: The federal budget must be balanced, meaning the total amount of federal government spending must not exceed the amount of money collected by the federal government. There will be exceptions to allow for extra spending in times of national crisis, but the excess crisis spending will be limited in amount and duration, and must be corrected by an equal amount of underspending in the years that follow.

These changes will go a long way toward fixing the problems in the current system, thereby allowing members of Congress to begin to focus on the needs and desires of the majority of Americans as opposed to the parties that they serve and a few wealthy organizational contributors. We urge everyone to check out the full text of the Act at www.americanoverhaulact.org. And, if you like these proposals, show your support on the site and share it with your friends, family, and state and federal representatives. We need the support of the people in order to make these positive changes and improve the future of our great nation.

gotta love a guy who can sit right in front of you and lie his a$$ off

Well, we don't. But that seems to be a prerequisite for Republicans these days.

They are RE-peat-the-LIE-to-the-PUBLIC-ans, after all.

say trillions next time. when you're making stuff up go big!

sharky,

if you put the kool aid down, you'll find out that the truth is there whether you like it or not.