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Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman appeared to take a notably more skeptical view towards current climate change science Tuesday, saying that the "scientific community owes us more" on the issue and that not enough solid research exists to "formulate policies" based on global warming.
"I'm not a scientist, I'm not a physicist, but I would defer to science in that discussion, and I would say that the scientific community owes us more in terms of a better description or explanation about what might lie beneath all of this," Huntsman told an audience of bloggers at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington.
"But there's not enough information right now to be able to formulate policies in terms of addressing it overall, primarily because it's a global issue," he went on. "We can enact policies here. But I wouldn't want to unilaterally disarm as a country, I wouldn't want to hinder job creators during a time when our economy is flat."
Huntsman made waves earlier this summer when he took aim at his GOP rivals for expressing skepticism about evolution and climate change science, sending out a much-retweeted message in August that read, "To be clear, I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy.”
Asked by a reporter Tuesday whether he has reversed that position, Huntsman said that he still "defers" to scientists who study the issue but said that there remain conflicts among the research community.
"Because ... there are questions about the validity of the science, evidence by one university over in Scotland recently, I think the onus is on the scientific community to provide more in the way of information, to help clarify the situation, that's all."
Huntsman also compared the issue of climate change to cancer research.
"If there's some interruption or disconnect in terms of what other scientists have to say, then let the debate play out within the scientific community," he said. "I think that's where we are. There's probably more debate yet to play out."
Huntsman also took questions from attendees about trade policy, education, and the United Nations. He echoed criticisms of one federal agency often derided by his fellow Republicans, telling the audience "I'm still trying to find the value added of the Department of Education."
Spokesman Tim Miller described the former Utah governor's position as consistent, saying that Huntsman has consistently said that if 90 percent of climate scientists agree on the effects of man-made warming, "he trusts their position."
"That was his position then and it's his position now," Miller said, adding that Huntsman's statement today related more specifically to the global nature of the problem -- that United States policy should not be shaped around the threat of global warming until the science is indisputably settled and "until the Chinese are on board."
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*gasp*
How DARE a Republican talk about science...
Explains why Huntsman continue to be last in the polls!
Reasonable doesn't go down well with todays GNOP!
I think one of the best rebuttals to Huntsman's new anti-science (typical Republican) pandering on climate change is the following:
nisl,
Who is the quote from? It sounds familiar.
The little bit of respect I had for Huntsman vanished with his pronouncements today. Yeah, let's let the debate "play out" until . . . it's too late to do anything about it.
Jack, thanks for asking. The comment was from John Huntsman back in August of this year. Back then, he didn't want to pretend ignorance for votes. Apparently that has changed.
Also too, in May Huntsman said, "I’m not a meteorologist. All I know is 90 percent of the scientists say climate change is occurring. If 90 percent of the oncological community said something was causing cancer we’d listen to them.”
The appealing thing about Huntsman was that he DIDN'T make a career out of spouting wingnut platitudes. Now that that is gone, he is just a Mitt Romney wannabe. Pathetic.
I agree Jack. Huntsman just lost my respect.
Come on, you guys. Huntsman is just now losing your respect? Huntsman likes the Ryan plan to gut Social Security.
David - It is one thing to have ridiculous policy prescriptions. We have come to expect that of ALL Republicans. But we used to think Huntsman was at least an honorable man. Now we know he is just as willing to pander and spit platitudes as the rest of the Republican field.
nisl:
Point taken.
nisl, what better way to debunk a presidential hopeful than by using their own words.
This is what happens when the Government owns an Auto Company:
From AutoGuide.com
Following on from the announcement that GM is looking at redesigning the Chevrolet Volt’s lithium-ion battery system in the wake of several highly publicized fires resulting from test crashes, comes further news that both the automaker and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration delayed disclosure of their original findings by months.
Apparently, way back in June, General Motors heard about a Volt fire that happened three weeks after said vehicle was crash tested, yet it wasn’t until November that the company, nor NHTSA disclosed there was a potential problem, urging both dealers and customers to drain the battery pack immediately following an accident.
As a result the public relations nightmare surrounding Chevy’s halo vehicle appears to be deepening, though a good deal of the blame in this case also rests with NHTSA.
Joan Claybrook, a former administrator at NHTSA believes part of the reason for the delay was the “fragility of Volt sales.” Yet she also believes that “NHTSA could have put out a consumer alert, not to tell them [customers] for six months makes no sense to me.”
So now Obama’s Administration is hiding life threatening issues because they might hurt sales of his Volt.
Can’t hurt the “halo” car now can we.? After all, the government has a fiduciary interest in General Motors.
This is criminal and should be investigated.
Figures, WCA doesn't want to discuss Jon Huntsman so he deflects to the Obama administration. Where have you been, that story or a similar one hit the newspapers and TV sometime ago. It is not unusual for considerable periods of time to pass before such reports are made public; remember Toyota not that long ago.
Actually, I heard an interview with Huntsman a couple of weeks ago on NHPR. The only thing that distinguished him from the certifiables was his tone. His earnestness made him sound reasonable, but when you listened to what he said it was the same old stuff we're hearing from the others. Nothing really moderate about it.
I guess it doesn't pay to sound reasonable in today's Republican Party. Maybe if he had acted a little loony he would have gotten more traction.
Huntsman used to sound more like a moderate and well-informed republican. Now he just sounds like the rest of the candidates. Disappointing.
Republicans don't trust scientists, only corporate spokesmen. They won't move to save the planet until EXXON, et al, tells them to. Our Teapublican governor LePage tried to reverse a ban on BPAin children's plastics, as one of his first acts on taking office - all because the chemical lobby told him their profits were more important than children's health.
Fear not there Amy - the whole Climate 'Science' gang is partying it up down in Durban.
They are all set to save the planet.
Well at least they were, but it seems Europe is flat broke, the bloom is off Gore's fat belly here in the US and China just told them to jam their carbon limits where the big old ball of fire in the sky don't shine.
Oh no, what will we do?
But go with the whole it 'all for the children's health' bit Amy. Always a winner, that on.
Say, anyone [other than Woodward - how funny is that?] seen big old Al Gore lately?
Maybe he's hanging at Penn State. First the little Mann kerfuffle, now Sandowsky. Poor Nittany Lions.
Kinda like the Ole saying "We havta get our Debt under control so we don't leave it for the Kids & Grandkids", huh Spankster?
You're gonna love the way ya look!
Occupy SoggyBottom!
Actually, Spanky, Portland's new mayor just quoted Al Gore last night, at his inauguration ""If you want to go fast, go alone, if you want to go far, go together. We need to go both far and fast if we are to combat climate change."
This quote is from Al Gore's Nobel Prize speech. You know, the prize they give to people who have contributed something to the world besides increasing the profits of Tiffany's, or of oil companies.
Too funny.
Obama has Nobel for doing nothing. Kind of makes the award more a Cracker Jack prize than anything else.
You mean the one that Obama got for...Amy what was it he did to deserve the prize again?
It's cool Amy, I'm sure Portland has all kinds of cash laying around it can toss at the problem.
Then again, it's probably pretty darned cold up there and some warming might be nice?
Hey, I know, maybe you all can get some of that awesome diesel the Navy is buying, you know the stuff that is $27 bucks a gallon. Maybe you all can run your city buses and trash trucks on it.
Come on Amy, you all need to step up to combat this really super huge problem.
The planet could depend on it. Get you mayor moving.
Hey Spanky, FYI:
Domenico responded to one of your comments over on the Newt Gingrich Video "how he made his millions" thread. Check it out!
Spanky:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/06/9248293-video-a-look-at-newt-inc-how-gingrich-made-his-millions#c60505077
Dom's comment is at 1.43
(can't get the link thingy to work, sorry.)
Amy B.
Lets not play dumb here, democrats are in the pockets of corporations just as much as republicans are.
One word. Whore. Nothing reasonable there Feisty, he's just trying out a red sweater.
"Because ... there are questions about the validity of the science, evidence by one university over in Scotland recently, I think the onus is on the scientific community to provide more in the way of information, to help clarify the situation, that's all."
It doesn't matter how much information the scientific community puts forth, Republicans will never accept the science. Further, if Huntsman hasn't seen the information chances are it is because he doesn't want to.
Cause it's totally settled, right nisl?
Seems the science gang didn't want to accept any dissenting opinions. Too bad they put it all in writing, eh?
Cause it's all settled.
Sure it is.
Yes, spanky, it is settled.
Spark and die ... sometimes you remind me of one of my favorite rhetorical jokes: a man is alone in the woods and there is no one to hear him. Is he still wrong?
Here ya' go spanky -
Kock Brothers own scientist confirms it. Satisfied now?
No? So science doesn't mean a thing to you, does it.
Very scientific approach there nisl.
Wouldn't want anyone poking around those theories, adding new data. Well, at least that was the view of Mann, Paucharri, and the gang at East Angelica.
Best part about all the new e mails is the obvious disdain they all have for Mann and his ridiculous Hockey Stick graph.
All they wanted to do was pretend it didn't exist, but Mann wouldn't let it go.
Very amusing stuff - green on green hate e mails.
Spanky - If all you have is the East Anglia University non-troversy that has been debunked numerous times by numerous independent boards you have lost.
PS - If you are basing your silliness on the East Anlia Univ. emails the least you can do is learn the name of the school. That is assuming you want to have some idea what you are talking about, a proposition that seems unlikely given your comments on First Read.
PSS - Yes, the climate change issue is settled except for the willfully ignorant.
Here I go blearyeyed? To where?
But yeah, I have read so many of the newly revealed e mails from these 'scientist.' Climategate 11 is even better than the first.
Say, anyone seeing any coverage on Durban in the MSM? Now why is that - Global warming being so very important and all?
If you refer to the Best report - maybe you can explain with their pretty little graph stops at 2001?
Cause it's 2011. Do we lose the ability to track temperature from 2001-2011?
Nope, we sure didn't. problem is the temperatures are going down.
Science is great, but made up stuff is silly.
Besides - it is irrelevant. The world is broke and no way, no how China or India is gong to do anything but ramp up emissions.
But not you bleary - I bet you got a sweet volt and some fantastic solar panels on your house, right?
Spank- suppose they ARE wrong about climate change?
So what? The world will end??
Awesome nisl - it's settled.
Good thing some much is being done to fix it then, right?
So nisl - you remember way back in 2009 when Hillary charged into Copenhagen and said we'd toss $100 million into the global warming kitty?
What happened?
Good thing some much is being done to fix it then, right?
You are such a perfect example of today's Republican Party. If I were writing a novel and wanted to portray a political party devoid of intellect, honor and the capacity to reason I would model it on you and the Republican Party.
Ouch - nisl.
What's the matter nisl, all you got is personal attacks now?
Yeah, I guess if you see that we are in a huge debt hole, with no way out in the foreseeable future, but are not inclined to dump a bunch of money into a whole, or limit energy production, then you must be deviod of all those things.
So nisl - looks like most of the world sides with us devoid-ites, cause no one is jumping up to do anything now. In fact the world is doing the opposite.
Spanky - You really should have stayed in school.
This was published within the last month or so. Here are some excerpts.
Washington (AP) Headline: "Former skeptic finds he now agrees global warming is real"
"A prominent physicist and skeptic of global warming spent two years trying to find out if mainstream climate scientists were wrong. In the end, he determined they were right. The study of the world's surface temperatures by Richard Muller was partially bankrolled by a foundation connected to global warming deniers. He pursued long-held skeptic theories in analyzing the data. He was spurred to action because of 'Climategate', a British scandal involving hacked emails of scientists. Yet he found that the land is 1.6 degrees warmer than in the 1950's. Those numbers from Muller, who works at the University of California, Berkeley and Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, match those by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA........
One-quarter of the $600,000 to do the research came from the Charles Koch Foundation, whose founder is a major funder of skeptic groups and the tea party. The Koch brothers, Charles and David, run a large privately held company involved in oil and other industries, producing sizable greenhouse gas emissions."
The article is worth reading. For the deniers and those who simply deny because the GOP tells them it's a lie, just remember, the Koch boys and all the others are telling people that because they are guilty of causing a lot of it; they don't care if the earth warms or people die because it's all about profits to these folks. What better way to keep making millions without any sacrifice for the greater good than by telling conservatives that global warming is a lie, that greenhouse gases won't hurt us.
Jody,
I see Spankles is on his Climate Change "talking point" bender-of-the-day. SWEET!
He never seems to disappoint, especially since he's always wrong. Except maybe regarding tax codes...he is, after all, a tax-code whatchamacallit/helping people evade paying their taxes owed to the Federal Government person-type...thingie. But he has scruples, dammit!
Anyhoo...here is a link to the article you posted snippets of above:
http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/skeptic-finds-now-agrees-global-warming-real-142616605.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=us&.lang=en-us
Just because you choose to ignore it, doesn't mean it's not there...even Lionel knows this.
We all can agree the Earth is changing, what some in the scientific community do not agree on is the root cause. Yes pollution is bad and it will be a good thing to clean up our air quality, but the earth has changed in the past (rapidly: ocean sediment samples have confirmed that the warm water which is brought up to the UK from south of the equator has completely shut off) so to think we have figured out the complexity of mother nature is naive at best.
"what some in the scientific community do not agree on is the root cause."
Uh, no. 97-98% of those in the field of climate science agree regarding anthropogenic climate change. How much more agreement do you need? http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf
The science that I read indicates that global climate change has been going on for billions of years. Man has virtually nothing to do with it. The primary cause is the sun and possibly our orbit through the galaxy. CO2 is not the primary greenhouse gas. H2O is. There are other processes going on besides the greenhouse effect that affect the earth's energy balance. There are many reasons to decrease our dependence on fossil fuels but global warming is not one of them. Science is not a democracy.
"The science that I read indicates that global climate change has been going on for billions of years. Man has virtually nothing to do with it."
Except that's not what the experts say. Come back when you have the credentials to have anything other than a lay person's opinion.
"Science is not a democracy."
And it's not up for popular vote, either.
What I told you is what the experts say. What experts are saying that the climate never changed before man was on this earth?
"What I told you is what the experts say. "
Credible sources please. You've provided none to date.
You did not answer my question.
Sounds like a little bit of tacking to starboard by Huntsman...
Deny climate change. The sure sign of a conservative.
The snows of Kilimanjaro
The Larsen Ice Shelf,
The Muir Glacier,
The Matterhorn...
These are just a few of the many glaciers, ice fields and the like that, after being around since before recorded history, have disappeared in the last half of my life.
Is it just coincidence that the last half of my life also has seen the largest, fastest industrial growth in the Middle East, Far East, Africa and the Pacific Rim countries?
The refusal to see of some will be the downfall of us all. But hey, that's how it's been all through history. We have never learned from our mistakes, why should we now?
Mars and Pluto have also been warming up as the sun's irradiance has increased.
Poor Jon Huntsman, "tweaking" to the anti-science base of the GOP doesn't cut it; he just lost a lot of the respect I had for him. At least he still speaks as if science matters and that we should pay attention unlike the rest of the right-wing carnival barkers. There's plenty of scientific evidence out there for Huntsman to read. We, as a country, can address and put into place rules over time with the goal of cleaning up the dirty, toxic air for the children and grandchildren the GOP so often use as props. We do not need the entire world to participate; right now, the USA is one of the countries that refuses to participate in what the rest of the world has agreed do. The debate is not whether or not global warming is manmade, cyclical or a combination of both but rather it is that we should do everything technically possible to clean up the air we breathe. Shame on the GOP for using clean air and water as a political football and shame on them for lying to conservatives about it.
I'm just shocked that he actually got his name in print.
He just lost the ounce of credibility he had outside of the extremist wing of the republican party.
Okay... here's the deal.... go stand on the edge of the Greenland ice sheet... if you believe there is no global warming... you're fine... if you are wrong... you're going to make some white shark very happy!
Global warming has taken place. The cause is the sun.
Actually he is right, But not just with Climate Change , We have been dealing with Junk Science for Years , This junk science has effected decisions of our elected that effect the American people , Our elected and the American people depend on the accuracy of this science , I for one, yes I approved the actions taken in light of this Junk science research when it first came out, as did most people , but Now that it has been proven to be Junk science, we have useless destructive regulations to contend with, It is damn bad when you can not even trust science any more ,but that is where we are at, IS IT REAL or IS IT JUNK
"Now that it has been proven to be Junk science"
Exactly when did this happen, and who 'proved' it to be junk science? Those actually in the scientific community agree overwhelmingly that climate change is real and is anthropogenic.
Let me get this straight...98 out of 100 climate scientists agree that man-made pollution has a direct effect on climate change, yet you side with right-wing talking points spewed out by anti-intellectuals who will say anything to appease their heavy polluting backers? What has caused you repubs to demonize intelligence? I suppose 1-2 degrees of warming might not seem that drastic to you flat-earthers, but if you look at trends througout history, you'd realize this type of change typically takes hundreds, if not thousands of years to occur. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the growing energy consumption and pollution world wide, could it?
Oregon Pat,
Most scientist have to agree....it's called government grant money. Change your view, the money dries up.
"Most scientist have to agree....it's called government grant money."
Absolutely false. Scientists rarely know what the outcome of their studies will be, and can only hypothesize, as demonstrated in the 4 papers here http://berkeleyearth.org/resources.php where a noted climate change skeptic funded with Koch Foundation money found *gasp* actual climate change and has now become a believer.
Man caused climate change has become a religion based on false correlations. Unbelievers are called skeptics. Consensus means nothing. Science is not a democracy. The Ptolemaic consensus failed and so will the global warming consensus. The global climate has been changing for billions of years and it is the sun and possibly our orbit through the galaxy that appears to be the culprit. The newest data shows that it was warmer during the early thirties then it is today. Historical data shows that warmer temperatures causes CO2 levels to rise, not vis versa. H20 is by far the primary Green House gas in the atmosphere. I think that there are many reasons to decrease our dependency on fossil fuels but global warming is not one of them.
"Man caused climate change has become a religion based on false correlations. Unbelievers are called skeptics. Consensus means nothing."
You can post this over and over, but the conclusions of the experts do not tally with yours.
There are experts on both sides of this question.
If you don't want me to read it, don't collapse it.
If the GOP puts forward Newt as its nominee, they will be saying something about their Chrisitan and government integrity values. They will be saying these are concerns of little importance to the party. For Middle Class, mainstream America it may leave little place to go. Newt Gringich's term as House speaker was marked by construction and the sale of our government. Newt's personal life shows how little regard he had for his wife and the institution of marriage. The GOP supposedly was the party of Christian conservatives. Where do they go now? The rise of Newt must say something about how bankrupt the Republican Party is for a leader. But I guess you can say both major parties are bankrupt in the leadership department.
oh so divorce affends libs ??? half of all libs have been divorced
Half of EVERYBODY has been divorced. But liberals don't claim to be the 'Family Values' and 'Moral Majority' party.
A Mormon steps on the slippery slope of corporate horror sleaze and denial - the bottom of which is with Evil Inhofe and his assistant shower coach Marc Morano. On behalf of Esso-Koch-Fox’s investors, so they don’t get hung as quickly for crimes against humanity, “‘Yes, we plead guilty ... ‘Skeptics will proudly celebrate ... Climate Depot takes full responsibility for the fate of your children and grandchildren from any future man-made climate catastrophe” (“Australian PM warns skeptics ‘are too ‘dangerous to ignore’ and are ‘holding the world to ransom’”, By Marc ‘EIB’s corporate whore cyst’ Morano, assistant shower coach to Evil Inhofe, Climate Depot Editorial”; 11/6/09) (Editorial and reality abuse by Joseph ‘EIB coli cocktail wiener’ D’Aleo, CCM, IUD, IED, BMF, STD, H1N1, HPV, SIDs, failed state free lunch predictor, laundering t-GOP via paypal, HIV, and ExxonKoch approved TV weather presenter aka another pseudo-scientist, denier, and corporate whore; new web crimes against humanity, nature, and big oil & small snake wrestling with Joe Bastardi since March 11, 2011; icecap.us).
Hunts,an was indorsed for President by Tim De Christopher - a move that now seems foolish. Huntsman has joined the cadre of the head in sand right wing- that will deny global warming till the society is in chaos.
The latest from the 2011 American Geophysical Union fall meeting In San Francisco says;
– Amounts of warming previously thought to be safe may instead trigger widespread melting of the world’s ice sheets and other catastrophic impacts, scientists said Tuesday.
Accelerating melting on the world’s ice sheets and other new observations have scientists concluding that even a two-degree Celsius rise in temperatures – a benchmark long seen as safe in global climate talks and other emissions reductions scenarios – could lead to an 80-foot rise in sea levels.
“The dangerous level of global warming is less than what we thought a few years ago,” said James Hansen, director of NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. “It was natural to think that a few degrees wasn’t so bad…. (But) a target of two degrees is actually a prescription for long-term disaster.”
The science is implicitly clear- and needs no further clarification. Huntsman needs to do more of his homework he has foolishly decoded to fall into the the brain dead GOP mindset.
LOL ....San Francisco .... lol ...those stupid libs even want to ban gold fish ???
The primary cause of Global Climate change is the sun.
I've always respected Huntsman as being one of the very few credible people in the Republican hunt. Unfortunately, he is contradicting himself with this statement and seems to now be willing to pander to those on the right who are not fond of science. I'm disappointed.
"Hopeless Huntsman" is not thinking about all of the facts out there. He has clearly not done his research on this obvious environmental danger that is already effecting the Earth. He has not done any reading on this topic which shows in his uninformed statements. "Hopeless Huntsman" needs to do alot of homework on this topic it appears. Read! Think! Research! Then make statements that a factual!
Progressive ? you mean liberal right? progressing the country into BK.
Jon Say it ain't so! You drank some of their Kool-Aid. Not a fatal dose but you knew what you were doing. I admired you for refusing to pander to the flat earth crowd. My faith in you is challenged.
What next, will you take a second look at creationism? Oh, wait, you are a Mormon and believe that the world is what? 6,000 years old.
I guess he's just one of the GOP crazies, if they win I'm getting the eff out of Dodge.
YEAH .... go go go
Explain all the E-mail dumps that showed your so called scientist where lying and leaving out info that would affect there results...you even had one take his own life ..your global warming is just global engineering.Also when the rest of the world is doing nothing why should we kill our own economy.....hell in california this green crap is killing over a million jobs ..... Oh yeah i forgot as long as its not your green job its OK ....
<sigh> Maybe you could read more than the headline or maybe you could read the results of the investigations that followed. Or not.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/ and http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/some-climategate-conclusions/
so factory released pollutants have caused all climate cycles the last 500-600 years........Mini ice age, droughts, temporaryincreases in temperature........common sense to pollute less when we can.....naive to think man causes everything.
The great reefs of the world are dropping temperature because of ice cap melting putting marine life at a big risk and I doubt if it's solar cycles causing the problem, but lets not do anything about it. We'll not be able to do anything about this disaster and the earth will rebound, your absolutely right when 2/3 of the worlds human population is depleted. And it will deplete, at a fast cataclysmic rate. Hey, there might be more domestic jobs then, hugh employment rise for people who dig mass graves, bull dozing, health professionals to do forensic/disease prevention. It will cycle around as you say
Climate has been changing for billions of years and weather humans are currently having an appreciable effect on climate is debatable. Global warming aside, human population growth is out of control and unsustainable. As the population continues to increase so does the chances for large scale human disasters. I think that we should conserve on the use of fossil fuels just because they are becoming more scarce and the costs to obtain them have been rising. Only 200 years ago there was virtually no petrolium industry and look where we are today. I do not think that the human race is anywhere close to extinction because there are so few individuals in existence. I think that we can do better then let disasters control our population.
I think Huntsman comments here on this subject is a shame, because he knows better. In fact the reports on accelerated warming of seawater in the anarctic and the quickening of glacier melt rates which is resulting in a complete re evaluation of how high sea levels will rise in the next 100 years ... with 6 ft. now much more likely than the prior 'aggressive' prediction of 2 ft. .... This is pandering for votes from the the conservative 'climate deniers'.
That Huntsman won't get the nomination seems pretty clear at this point, but he has a little of the bully pulpit and a chance to tell folks what is really going on in our country on many fronts ... and just why the 'solutions' being spouted by the other candidates is just a lot of BS to get votes, not real fixes. The repubs need somebody who will wake up their party faithful to reality .... something those they elected in the last round have completely avoided.
Unfortunately, he has to spill the typical conservative FOX news rhetoric to get moron ears to perk up.
Too bad that Huntsman has to sink to such willful ignorance to try to broaden his GOP voter appeal.
It's no different then Obama making Corzine to be the economic guru, oops I mean the embezzler. Unfortuneately they all get stuck with bad associations.
Geez, Jon - and here I thought you WEREN'T one of the crazies. Look, I know you're not doing well in the polls and all, but c'mon. You showed some guts standing up to Trump, so I know you can do it. You'll at least have some self esteem left if you don't stoop to the levels of the others in the clown show.