Herman Cain Train Pulls In Under Secret Service Protection After More Sex, Lies, Video Tapes, and another lying "B"!!!

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Yup, that's The Low Down

Country Before Party

That's been a favorite riff from Obama for quite a while now. Going back to the debt ceiling debate, he tried to frame Republicans as uncompromising partisan obstructionists for not giving enough on increasing revenue – even as his Democratic buds in Congress were being just as uncompromising and just as obstructionist by not giving any ground on entitlement reform. To say that the president was being disingenuous would be an understatement. But he has continued to play this card, even in the face of demonstrable evidence that he approaches significant public policy decisions through the prism of how it will affect his political prospects – i.e. he does exactly what he accuses the Republicans of doing. Let's count some of the ways.

Consider his recent action to postpone a decision on the Keystone-XL pipeline for 12-18 months – a delay that will extend the final decision until after the 2012 election. Now why would he do that? The fodder dished out to the lemmings who adore him is there is a serious climate change issue in play here, and after all we can't allow the earth to go to hell in a handbasket. Left unsaid is that if Canada can't sell their oil to us, they'll sell it to China – where it will be burned for fuel just as surely as it would be burned here. So no positive impact accrues to the planet from Obama's action. The other canard is the pipeline might present an unacceptable danger to the underground aquifer over which it traverses. Left unsaid is the State Department studied this issue for three years and twice concluded there would be no significant environmental harm.

But that won't dissuade this prez. Nope, he needs the enthusiasm and support of the environmentalist crowd if he is to have any chance of winning in 2012. Thus, throw those folks a bone and delay the pipeline decision. Oh, and did I mention that we would be buying Keystone oil from a friendly neighbor, thereby reducing a big chunk of oil we would be buying from folks who don't like us so much? But what the hey, who cares about the national interest when you have a chance to advance your own political interest by buying off a crucial constituency.

A reasonable person might also question Obama's decision to wind down the Afghanistan surge in September 2012. By all accounts, there was no military basis for that decision and none of his field commanders recommended it. But it would sure help this president in, oh say two months after September 2012, to be able to energize his base by saying he's keeping his promise to wind down that war. Fine, you're the president and you can wind down the war if you so choose – but do it on a timetable that makes sense from a military perspective, not a blatantly political perspective.

Similarly, folks might recall that during the debt ceiling debate Obama threatened to veto any agreement that did not extend to 2013 – like uh, until after the election. Good grief, even the Obama worshipers ought to be able to detect a pattern here. But just in case, here's one more for good measure from a recent WaPo story: "The Obama administration, which gave the solar company Solyndra a half-billion-dollar loan to help create jobs, asked the company to delay announcing it would lay off workers until after the hotly contested November 2010 midterm elections that imperiled Democratic control of Congress, newly released e-mails show."

Yup, it sure looks like there's been gambling going on in this here casino and I for one am shocked, truly shocked. The man who lured the gullible with cheers of "Yes We Can" turns out to be just another partisan hack who will say anything and do anything to advance his electoral prospects – especially since he has no record to run on. Well I gotta tell ya, November 2012 can't come soon enough for me. The sooner we can wish this president a long and happy retirement, the better. And the sooner America can start to recover from the wounds that man has inflicted.

Then we really could get to work and put country before party. Gee, what a novel idea.

*** “Here we go again”:

More like; Flavor of the Week has finally met his sell by date!

Too bad all of the suckers who bought into his carnival freak-show can't get a refund!

Well, not really, they got what they paid for! lol

IR---I don't know which is worse---being misinformed about facts which can easily be proven or adopting the opinions of those giving out the lies without question or challenge.

From the 'you just can't make this stuff up file';

His attorney Lin Wood said, "No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life," attorney Lin Wood said

Where was this dude when Newt was leading the 'lynching' against Clinton?

Call it what it is Independent Redneck don't be so shy. Fox (aka tea people GOP republican propaganda machine) doesn't misinform, they out right lie to their viewers. You and all the media need to quit using those cutesy words and call it what it is, lying. Remember Rupert Murdoch ask the supreme court if they could lie on the air and the court ruled they could.

You gotta love the party of family values. They just love Everybody's wife, er family! :)

With the exception of Mr Huntsman the Republican Party has no credible candidate for President. Unfortunately for the Repugs they'll never consider Huntsman ( Mormon and God forbid an ex employee of President Obama), that's their loss.

The collection of clowns left can't even claw their way out of the 20% hole their in. Some solidarity in their Party. No favorite, no real front runner, and they think they have a ghost of a chance against President Obama.

Obama in 2012.

Another week of salacious stories and disgusting comments from the FR staff and the libs about Herman Cain.

Meanwhile, Back in Washington, President Obama continues to drive our country off of a cliff.

Good times....Good times.....

Ho-Hum. And people who DON'T watch FOX News were not likely 4 years ago to know that Obama spent TWENTY years in a church run by an anti-American, anti-Semitic, America-hating, conspiracy-minded loon, loudmouth A-hole named Jeremiah Wright. A man who was a father figure to Obama and a role model.

People who don't watch FOX News were also not likely to know that Obama is chummy with terrorist Bill Ayers and his wife.

And those were just a couple things I came up with in a couple seconds.

Here's a portion of an interview with Fox News' Greg Gutfeld:

What do you have to say to critics of Fox News who regard it as a tool of the right wing?

I always love questions like that, because no one ever says, "I don't like Fox News." They say, "What do you say to the critics?" In the old days, major media was outrageously liberal, but they owned all the players on the teams, they owned the ball, they owned the stadium. And when Fox News shows up to play, everyone else wants to take the ball and go home. You hear nothing but whining about Fox News because they're kicking everybody's butt. And I love that. The people who whine about Fox News are hypocrites — they say they're totally tolerant, but when they run into someone who doesn't share their assumptions, they say, "Fox News is evil, and it must be stopped

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/11/28/la-times-interviews-fncs-greg-gutfeld-who-says-fox-haters-are-hypocrites#ixzz1f9UdMJbk

Ah, WCA, don't you love us libs anymore? And if you don't, why, in the name of good GOP family values, don't you go to FOX, or a psych ward?

Ho-Hum. And people who DON'T watch FOX News were not likely 4 years ago to know that Obama spent TWENTY years in a church run by an anti-American, anti-Semitic, America-hating, conspiracy-minded loon, loudmouth A-hole named Jeremiah Wright. A man who was a father figure to Obama and a role model.

People who don't watch FOX News were also not likely to know that Obama is chummy with terrorist Bill Ayers and his wife.

We heard all about those stories. They were covered ad nauseum.

Hey IR your articles author is a Senior Fellow at Media Matters. An organization whose mission is to destroy Fox News at any cost.

So, sorry, you have no credibility here. (A shame really, since you were probably sitting by your computer hitting refresh over and over so you could get that garbage up first, unless of course MSNBC helped you get it there.)

If you don't like Fox, change the channel.

What really sucks is Media Matters has tax exempt status which means, they and their employees are not supposed to be involved in this sort of thing.

How about it IR, does that bother you at all?

The GOP's candidates ignoring Mitty during debates is weirdly prescient of the far right. It just seems like they don't take him seriously as a front runner. Those candidates have no problem going after the "flavor of the week" during debates. But, not Mitty. It feels like he is "invisible" to them, as though he doesn't matter.

Why is that, First Read, and what happens if Mitty does not begin to get solid traction in the upcoming primaries?

With the exception of Mr Huntsman the Republican Party has no credible candidate for President.

The RWNJ's are finally waking up and smelling the coffee, which explains why they're becoming more insufferable with each passing day! ;o)

If you thinkg this is bad, wait until they end up with one of their 'clunkers' going head-to-head with President Obama... lol

That's when it will get really interesting watching them wail & gnash their teeth!

So, WCA: In your little world, Fox "News" is exempt from any criticism or attempt to hold them responsible for the 24 hour daily lies they tell?

Does Fox "News" deliberate deception of people who are not that bright bother YOU at all?

People who watch FOX News are more likely to know that the OccuFreaks and Fleabaggers are made up mostly of anarchists, communists and dirty, filthy, stinking left-wing hippies. NOT the average, everyday American "99%"ers that the liberal media portrayed them to be. By the way, is FR ever going to do a story on the Fleabaggers, and what a miserable, violent, utter failure their "movement" is/was?

Yes, it can get crazier. Yes, it will get crazier. A full-blown trip on LSD is a walk in the park next to the hallucination we call Washington, D.C. We are Alice in
Wonderland as we dig through the lies, the propaganda, and baseless talking points to find the truth.

Consider Senator Jon Kyl (R-Twilight Zone), government basher extraordinaire. This is the son of a Congressman. Jon Kyl has been a lawyer, a lobbyist, spent eight years as a U.S. Representative, and is now completing his 18th year as a Senator. And he tells us, government is the enemy. This is a baby who leaves the womb cursing motherhood.

This is the guy who tells a bald-faced lie about Planned Parenthood and the following day tells us his statement wasn't meant to be factual. Zero credibility. He doesn't belong in government. He belongs under the supervision of men in white coats. Not in Wonderland, D.C.

Nope, we find this paragon of prevarication as a guest on Fox News Sunday. Are you kidding? Kyl is an admitted liar. So the "Fair and Balanced" folks bring us a liar to tell us - What? Well, we need tax cuts for the rich. That's good. However, tax cuts for the working man MUST be ended. Those cuts are bad.

Crazier? Senator Mitch McConnell (R-Government Trough). This guy was poured from a can of sleaze. He takes every opportunity to tell us of the evils of government, yet he has spent virtually his entire career drawing - NOT earning - a very hefty government salary. His wife can't get enough government either. Elaine Chao headed the dreaded Department of Labor during the Bush Administration. What prepared her for this position? Why, her employment at the Heritage Foundation of course.

Even crazier? How about Newt Gingrich? His staff walked out on him because he struck them as something of a dilettante in his approach to securing the G.O.P. nomination for President. Come on! He and Callista needed a cruise. You need time to recuperate from those missions to Tiffany's. The staff didn't understand.

Right-wingers are not shining lights. It took some time to realize that Michelle Bachmann lives in a parallel universe, Rick Perry is even dumber than they are, and Herman Cain is black and may be messin' with white women. Huntsman, Santorum, and Paul are invisible. Romney is a flip-flopping Mormon, and what's left? Holy candidate, Bat****, it's Newt. He's baaaaack, right along with his staff. Ah yes, the smell of cash.

Gingrich is not merely a Washington insider. He is the essence of everything that is wrong with our government. There is nothing in Newt's world that doesn't have a price. Nothing. He is the perfect candidate for the insane right wing.

Yes, it can get crazier. Yes, it will get crazier.

IR, terrific post.

As I have posted many times, I have no problem with FOX being a conservative media outlet. The problem I have is that FOX does a disservice to the conservatives who watch by failing the basic conservative principles of truth, honesty and integrity. FOX has none of those conservative values because the goal of those who own it and run it is to keep people ignorant in order for the few to maintain control over the masses.

Feisty, they will blame the MSM for its "liberal bias". Seems they could save a few bucks, and rewind that complaint from previous elections.

WCA credibility is in the eye of the Beholder it would seem. You saying it don't make it so. The facts speak for themselves regardless of the source. Care to dispute facts.

Hey Phancy/Feisty (whoever you are today) You guys could save a few bucks as well and spare us the daily Poutrage over FOX news.

SSDD

I am me today. Who are you today, Feisty?

Cain needs to get out while he has a pot to piss in. Even the die-hard, Tea Baggin, trailer trash, regressives are bailin before anymore nailin or sperminations (Sperminator??)become public...

If you don't like Fox, change the channel.

Done!

Now, if you don't like what folks on saying on this site, why don't you click on the red X in the top right corner of your screen.

David Walker, well said!!

I see WCA and Damage proved this morning that the article about FOX misinforming its viewers was spot on--good job, fellas.

Who are you today, Feisty?

Someone who is loving the smell of fear desperation oozing out of every pore of the RWNJ's!

WCA is especially 'stinky' this morning! ;o)

PS: Floyd - how DARE you prove Fox is a BS propaganda machine for the stuck on stupid crowd?

What nerve!!! ;o)

Jack, that might be a little to complicated for them.

@ Albany Joe --

Joe, question for you.

Would you say that being sanctioned by the House of Representatives for ethics violations would disqualify a person from running for President of the United States?

I mean, I'm relatively sure that YOU, upstanding and forthright citizen that YOU are, would NEVER vote for a person who had been so sanctioned.

Right?

I know I wouldn't.

Which is, of course, why I'm not voting for Newt Gingrich -- well, except maybe in the primary.

A girl's gotta have a little fun now and then, you know?

And speaking of fun --

From the Heartland –

-- where recall efforts have produced 300,000 recall signatures in just 12 days. Only 48 more days to go.

And here is some analysis from a usually right-leaning newspaper in the Fox Valley of Wisconsin, debunking Scott Walker’s claim that his tax cuts are somehow working.

They’re not, as four straight months of net job loss since Walker’s budget was enacted clearly illustrate. In fact, Wisconsin lost the most private sector jobs of any state in October.

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20111125/APC0602/111250505&located=rss

One way they sought to spur hiring was through a tax credit program. If the state provides incentives, they reasoned, businesses will be more likely to add to their staff lists.

It turns out that hasn't always been the case, and that's no surprise. Tax credits are only a minor factor businesses consider when deciding whether to hire. The No. 1 reason corporations hire is consumer demand for their product or service.

As voters, we need to shift our expectations on what lawmakers can do about job creation. Tax incentives might be one piece of the puzzle, but they aren't going to solve the unemployment problem we're experiencing.

Only about 60 percent of state businesses that completed tax credit programs hired as many people as they expected they would. Only 8 percent of the nearly 200 businesses in the program now have created the number of jobs needed to earn credits.

(emphasis added)

So, to put those numbers into perspective, ten out of 200 businesses created as many jobs as they thought they would, and only 16 businesses were able to create enough jobs to earn tax credits.

It just ain’t working, folks, no matter what you say, and no matter how many false ads Walker runs, and no matter how many recall petitions his goons rip up, and not matter how many death threats they make against those who are circulating them.

300,000 signatures.

Nope. It just ain’t working.

Herman Cain has gone from the "feel good" candidate to the "good feel" candidate, from the Herminator to the Sperminator!!!

@Feisty

Guess we better break out the air freshener! :)

Hey IR, Do me a favor. Pull one fact out of your post. Not an opinion, a specific fact that shows exactly what Fox viewers are wrong about.

Just one. I dare you.

The "true" conservative posters on here are all playing to the egos of the LWNJs who post. There is no reasoning. There is no compromise. There is no discussion. So, if in fact those of you who are posting as conservatives -- and are actually not LWNJs shills posting to give the pretense of back and forth on here -- stop posting. Stop trying. Stop adding fuel to the fodder. Some of the conservative postings are so stupid, ignorant and ridiculous that the MSNBC shills have to be behind them. How many times do you want to set yourself up for insults after insults.

You also have to notice that for the most that 99% of the time the boards first three strings are controlled by LWNJs. Do you honestly think this is coincidence? All of a sudden new LWNJs monikers appear and are able to post before the string is even available for the public to post. Coincidence? Is it coincidence that each and every Friday Jody gets to post her week long skewed synopsis of events as the first poster on the second or third string -- followed by the circle jerk of "right on" Jody; the best ever; etc?

First Read/First Thoughts is a fraud perpetrated by MSNBC and hired shills. Connect the dots and as many have said on the Cain story -- where there's smoke there's fire.

If there are true conservative posters who want to set up a "counter" army to discuss each day strategies of what we will post and how we will support each other, my email address is available. The best way to approach might be to ignore the LWNJ liars and down right mean miserable persons on here and post what we want and watch the fun begin.

IR thanks for posting this piece, it really underscores what we have long considered, those on the right, are proud of their ignorance as it plays to their own prejudices against anyone who looks or sounds different.

To those who consider Fox to be the ultimate in factual information, I would suggest you pay attention to what is happening to Rupert Murdoch's empire in England, where the truth is really starting to demolish his influence. Their headquarters are now focused, and have been for some time, on the US, where he is using the same mentality of peddling influence to the unsuspecting and willfully ignorant.

Gosh, I didn't know I could get paid for laughing at you RWNJ's. Ben, sweetie, the midol is in the second drawer and I have a nice glass of prune juice for you to chase it down with.

WCA is especially 'stinky' this morning! ;o)

I take that back - little Bennie has solidly jumped into 1st Place!

Desperation AND a dash of paranoia - what a lovely combination! lmfao!!

@Feisty

Can we share a paycheck? LMAO

WCA (to IR):

Hey IR, Do me a favor. Pull one fact out of your post. Not an opinion, a specific fact that shows exactly what Fox viewers are wrong about.

Just one. I dare you.

If he won't, I will.

In our poll, 72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants,

What's your point, Bear Boy?

phinephancy --

Can we share a paycheck? LMAO

Now that's what I call fiscal responsibility.

As compensation counsel for the Treehouse Gang, I approve this message.

Jody is a liar. She absolutely HATES that Fox provides an opposing viewpoint. All you people who claim the same are also liars. What makes you even more mad is Fox News' GI-NORMOUS ratings. That's the real rub. I agree with the previous poster who said "you don't like Fox, change the friggin' channel."

It's simple folks, you stick to your left-wing propaganda outlets, and we righties will stick to ours. Get it? LOL. At the end of the day, we'll see who gets the most viewers. Wait. We already know.

If you people ever suceeded in doing away with FoxNews (you would love to), it still would not help to kill off conservatism (you would love that). What about all the elections that Republicans won BEFORE FOX NEWS EVER EVEN EXISTED?????? What's you people's excuse for those days? There was no Fox News, therefore, there was no network to "lie" and "misinform" the majority of Americans, yet.....the Repubs still won big. Who was mis-informing America then and causing the evil Repubs to be elected? Dan Rather? Walter Cronkite? Those two lefties shoved more lies and propaganda down the throat of Americans than anyone else ever has.

In our poll, 72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly.

Happy to oblige WCA.

It's simple folks, you stick to your left-wing propaganda outlets, and we righties will stick to ours. Get it? LOL

So then, you will be leaving First Read... No?

Whew!

Not a minute too soon - I was going to send phinephancy on another air freshener run! ;o)

The right wing is trying to distract the viewers of this article by posting every right wing blog sites latest dribble today.

And Damage is back in the stinky lead. This is a race to the wire, folks, which RWNJ can be the the silliest and stinkiest today? The betting windows are now open.

AM, who has to pay for all the air freshener we need in here today?

Here's an example of the bad "Faux" news headline of a few minutes ago: "Consumer Confidence Soars To Highest Level Since July." Those lying fools preaching to the misinformed. What audacity LOL!

Also, prove my "connect the dots" is false. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

Which is, of course, why I'm not voting for Newt Gingrich -- well, except maybe in the primary.

Good one, Anna Molly!

David--nice post. I liked the part about Bachmann living in a parallel universe. I think a space warp deposited her here and she doesn't know how to get back. You can see it in her eyes. . . .

Too Easy, IR Let's see if you pay attention:

Emergency Health Care is already available to Illegal Immigrants so, HCR being invoked contiues that SOP.

Saying that HCR will lead to a government takeover of Health Care is 1. an opinion not a fact. 2. Exactly what Obama wants.

HCR would have used Taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, but an Executive order from Obama prohibited it. Think Bart Stupak. So yeah HCR, by itself, allows for Tax payer funded abortions.

As for the last point about the elderly, I would like to see the question and where it said "STOP PROVIDING". The government comittees will make decisions regarding care for all of us.

So now, that was too easy, cause see, I knew you would go there. It was the only part of yur post that had any specifics.

So IR how about it. You and the rest of your Lapdogs going to continue with your predictable yet tiring Pavlovian responses?

You got nothing.

Mo-1852032

Call it what it is Independent Redneck don't be so shy. Fox (aka tea people GOP republican propaganda machine) doesn't misinform, they out right lie to their viewers

"Misinformation" is a term that covers honest mistakes. What Fox News spreads is DISinformation, a term of art in the intelligence community for false reports deliberately intended to spread confusion and dissension among the "enemy" ranks. I suspect they use the "ends justify the means" excuse for their lies, since they consider destroying the "bad" liberals such a worthy goal that anything short of murder is OK.

Hermie Cain a Koch brother from another mother. Seem to be the same mother to me. Mother F-er

phinephancy --

AM, who has to pay for all the air freshener we need in here today?

I'm sure our nanny government will be more than happy to cover it.

What's a few extra dollars for air freshener, added to our already outrageously huge welfare checks?

After all, that's how defense contractors do it.

Go ahead, I'm waiting.

Bennie,

Only if you hold your breath as well... ;o)

My day is always positive when feisty is on FR giving hell to those that are ignorant,hypocritical & ass-backwards....THE GOP-TEA BAGGERS,CON-SERV-AH-NOTHINS & their Manchurian rethug-tea bag rino candidates.Just a friendly shout-out to you feisty............get em MY FAVORITE RED HEAD DIE-HARD DEM.!WE THE SILENT MAJORITY BACK YOU & YOUR CREW ALL THE WAY!..............Obama/Biden 2012

One of the funniest quirks of the Fox news spinners is how Republicans in trouble tend to get labeled as Democrats on their graphics. It seems to have started with former Congressman Mark Foley, who had to resign in disgrace for chasing underage pages.

The latest surprising example was Gov. Kasich of Ohio, who was labeled as Democrat in a story about the defeat of his union-busting law in the Ohio referendum this month. My guess is that the reason they do it is that they want to always portray all Democrats as weak perverted losers, and they're willing to misuse a Republican loser to drive that message home to their gullible viewers.

You also have to notice that for the most that 99% of the time the boards first three strings are controlled by LWNJs. Do you honestly think this is coincidence?

Gee. All my work yesterday for nothing . . . .

One last thing IR.

As for the Health Care legislation, it appears there is not a person on this planet that actualy knows everything that is and is not in that POS. It is an atrocity and it seems every week, we find out somthing new about it.

So if that's all you have, you lose.

Emergency health care is available to all WCA, and is not a result of the HCR. In fact, getting people insured should alleviate that. There has been a law on the books for sometime that Emergency rooms must treat people who show up ill. That is why so many hospitals, especially in rural areas struggle.

The rest of your post is simply a re hash of Fox "News" talking points. They have all been disputed by fact checking organizations, you can go to Factcheck.org for a start.

Damage123

What makes you even more mad is Fox News' GI-NORMOUS ratings.

Roger Ailes, the Fox news honcho used this curious line of argument when he was confronted with some big whopper that had been told on his network. When asked to explain how this could have happened, he replied that Fox had ratings way better than other stations. So the "moral" of the story to conservatives seems to be that lying is OK as long as you've got enough gullible viewers who believe your lies.

Damage123

Jody is a liar. She absolutely HATES that Fox provides an opposing viewpoint. All you people who claim the same are also liars.

Now I know why they call you Damage. It's what happens to your brain when you watch Fox.

Houston: that lying is OK as long as you've got enough gullible viewers who believe your lies.

Or in Obama's case, enough gullible voters.

White Collar Auto

Another week of salacious stories and disgusting comments from the FR staff and the libs about Herman Cain.

Meanwhile, Back in Washington, President Obama continues to drive our country off of a cliff.

Good times....Good times..

Hey, Stiff Collar Auto

Isn't it good FR reports News not lies unlike FOX NOISE?

Also in regards to this comment--Hey IR your articles author is a Senior Fellow at Media Matters. An organization whose mission is to destroy Fox News at any cost.

I so agree destroy FOX NOISE at any cost. It is not news. I n fact, can't wait for the Republican Klown Car to roll over to get it's investigation from the only criminal in Congress, Darrel Issa who so love to investigate Solyandra & Fast & Furious. But, he won't investigate his best bud, Rupert Murdoch

Science/Tech

Issa declines investigation into News Corp. phone hacking

Issa’s decision to “not pick on the media” contrasts with his to demand a retraction from the New York Times reporting on his conflict of interests in late August. And when interviewed last year by Think Progress, Issa stated that he trusts News. Corp because he “personally knows Rupert Murdoch.”

WATCH: Video from Fox News, which appeared on September 13, 2011:

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/issa-declines-investigation-into-news-corp-phone-hacking/

I got my popcorn waiting.

It not even humorous anymore. It is aright wing hate machine. And it dumbs down its viewers. The seventh ( 7) survey says so.

Fox News Viewers are the Most Misinformed: A Seventh Study Arrives to Prove It — and Vindicate Jon Stewart!!

http://www.desmogblog.com/fox-news-effect-few-references

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/11/22/374434/fox-news-viewers-misinformed-study-jon-stewart/

Even Herb Cain's story as Sarah Palin calls him is disgusting. BTW, did you put that pepper spray on your Thanksgiving meal or your left offers?

Megan Kelly of FOX NOISE says pepper spray is a food. LOL

Fox News; (NOT). The Fox Nationalist have no idea what's going on with these topics: HILARIOUS

16 dollar muffins
Global warming
Healthcare
Ground Zero Mosque
2010 elections
Iraq war
Pepper spray being a vegetable
Aliens

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45410279#45410279

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fix-noise is the Ringling Barnum & Bailey circus of the news world.They provide entertainment to the dumb-down ignorant masses,the more viewership the more revenue,the more blondes,the more b.s.....and vis-a-versa......MSNBC IS GOING TO BAT WITH REAL NEWS,AND REAL PEOPLE THAT TELL THE NEWS....SMART,INTELLIGENT,AND NOT JUST BLONDS EITHER....Right chuck?Ha,haha(had to throw chuck in there)........MSNBC! Lean Forward!

IR--the problem with your article is that the underlying facts that supposed fox viewers dont know are wrong to start with. Who wrote that garbage? I have no idea what the average fox viewer's views misinformed or not, but any critical piece should at least start with basic premises that are accurate and not political opinions.

Anna Molly--so Walker's platform isnt working to date is your conclusion. Given that the state government budgets are good proxies for what happens on a national level, do you hold Obama to the same standard? Under your critical view, I assume you would say Obama's policies after being in place for over 3 years are failures and not working too right? Walker has had a year to turn around the state's budgets using the same formula that has worked in Indiana, Virginia and New Jersey. So do you give him time to let it play out like Obama or do you declare failure after a year and hold Obama to that same standard. Have you noticed in Illinois we here are bleeding and will continue to bleed because of the unholy alliance between government officials and government unions? Rahm has begun to do some of the same things as Walker but of course doesnt get the criticism because he is a democrat but going broke is going broke.

My day is always positive when feisty is on FR giving hell to those that are ignorant,hypocritical & ass-backwards....

Thanks for the shout out - tea-bag-not!

Obama/Biden 2012 - all the waaaayy!

So Damage, hit a nerve, did I? Because I disagree with you about FOX, you call me "a liar". Well, now, aren't you clever.

WCA, you are only proving IR's point.

You are unwilling to accept facts unless they are YOUR facts. You attempt to support your point by quoting Fox News back to this forum. It's a circular argument in which you are, apparently, lost.

Here's a quote about Fox Noise that about says it all. The article itself was about Limbaugh, but the facts are the facts.

It is, rather, a crueler demographic point. The dirty little secret of conservative talk radio is that the average age of listeners is 67 and rising, according to [Jon Sinton, founding president of Air America] — the Fox News audience, likewise, is in its mid-60s: “What sort of continuing power do you have as your audience strokes out?”

Fox lovers can crow about ratings all the want, this isn't the demographic that is going to keep them on the air long term. The fact is that most younger people are not buying into the rant from the right.

Herman Cain the is "Undercover Lover".... instead of the brother from another mother!

Kirk:

Given that the state government budgets are good proxies for what happens on a national level, do you hold Obama to the same standard? Under your critical view, I assume you would say Obama's policies after being in place for over 3 years are failures and not working too right?

With regard to the economy, have I ever disputed this?

The stimulus worked, up to a point, but not beyond, because it was the wrong kind of stimulus and not large enough. In addition to being largely composed of tax breaks, which do NOT create jobs, as Scott Walker seems determined to prove once and for all, states were given HUGE discretion about how to spend the money they received, and some, like Texas and Minnesota (under Tim Pawlenty), chose to use the money for deficit reduction, rather than for creating jobs. The deficit reduction has not, at least so far, created enough jobs to justify the transfer of the states' credit card balances to the federal credit card balance. Particularly given that the same state governors who misused the stimulus that way ironically complain about the federal deficit and the fact that it hasn't created enough jobs.

As for health care, same deal. ACA is not the right kind of reform, although there are some very good things in it. A total sell-out to the insurance companies, who have turned out not to be in the least bit grateful for the windfall he presented to them OR for the lack of any kind of real reform that would rein in insurance company excesses.

On the environment, Obama has sold out to oil companies on EPA regulations; that particular sell-out will yield more than 4,000 untimely deaths each year. I hope you're proud of that.

And finally, on the question of taxes and deficit reduction, the President and Congress should have gone after this full-force when they had a majority, and used the opportunity to reinstate Clinton era tax rates and make them permanent. He should have admitted that Congress is responsible for any weakness in the Social Security Trust Fund situation, and he should have lined up his priorities in favor of taking care of the poor and the elderly, before taking care of oil companies and Wall Street executives.

Then and only then should he have tried to tackle health care reform.

As for Wall Street, he should have prosecuted. And the TARP money should have been re-employed into the hands of those whose mortgages went under water through no fault of their own, preventing foreclosures, rather than preventing depletion of the bank accounts of Wall Street executives. By doing this, he would have stimulated economic growth by pumping that money back into the actual economy, rather than the shadow Wall Street economy.

Under no circumstances, should he even APPEAR to be in favor of outrageous bonuses for Wall Street executives or for Fannie and Freddie executives.

He should have nominated Elizabeth Warren to head the Consumer Protection Agency thingy, and not caved in to pressure from the right. Let THOSE guys take the heat for it. Ironically, however, this may turn out well as I believe Warren has a good chance to become a senator next year.

And finally, he should stop listening to the knotheads who keep telling him we need tax cuts, and start listening to Robert Reich and the many other economists who will tell him how it REALLY works. Guys like Grover Norquist simply have no idea.

So, yes, I agree.

What's your point?

Although I believe President Obama could have done a LOT better, there isn't a single Republican candidate who could -- or would -- do any better than he has.

They uniformly scare me to death.

Fielden, but WCA's premises and counter to IR's obviously partisan slanted article are actually correct. They arent his facts, they are just facts. He actually rebutted those conclusions well and showed that the article was editorializing and not really providing any basis for its conclusions. Its not misinformed to find out that illegal immigrants will be provided health care under HCA and even with the Stupak amendment, its not being misinformed to find out that money is fungible and budgets can align with that fungibility to realize that government funding could be used for abortions (I personally find that ok but lets be honest as to how the fungibility of money works) or to make political opinionated assertions and then say someone is misinformed if they dont agree with those opinions--sort of like what happens here all day. So IR's article is full of BS regardless and WCA is accurate on this particular issue. Doesnt mean you guys cant continue to be haters and flamethrowers towards Fox News and anyone who believes in fiscal sanity, self reliance and personal accountability, that has been the SOP of this board since I have been reading it.

Thank You IR. I myself know that these Radical Right Fox viewers are not the brightest bulbs in the package.

Kirk:

Doesnt mean you guys cant continue to be haters and flamethrowers towards Fox News and anyone who believes in fiscal sanity, self reliance and personal accountability, that has been the SOP of this board since I have been reading it.

You need to get your glasses fixed.

As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. Or to whom.

@ Albany Joe --

Joe, question for you.

Would you say that being sanctioned by the House of Representatives for ethics violations would disqualify a person from running for President of the United States?

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AM: Why?

The last time I looked America was still a free country. And if the person is not legally disqualified, why shouldn't they run for any office, including President? If a candidate for President receives enough of the popular vote to get 270 electoral votes and is not otherwise legally disqualified from assuming the office of the President, then they win the office because the American people have spoken.

That's quite a bit different than someone under an ethic cloud being annointed by the party leader and being put in a position of power and responsibliity by a few of their party cronies in Congress.

Ratings, shmaatings!! As one who watches cnn, fox ("news"?) and msnbc regularly, it appears that all the ratings prove, is that there is a disappointingly (word?) high number of gullible folks out there.

Amused, most young people don't watch the news, period. Having two kids in college I can attest to this since pretty much every college student I talk with have very little idea of what is going on in the world.

The fact of the matter is the demographic that votes, watches Fox in vast numbers because FOX is the only cable outlet that is not in the democratic tank. That does not mean they are conservatives, just means FOX is the only outlet to get an opposing point of view. Like it or not, Fox will continue to win the ratings war as long as networks like MSNBC refuse to present oposing views to the liberal agenda.

Only the white man (Clinton) is allowed to play politics with his pants unzipped.

AM, interesting and I am not sure why you think I would be proud of anyone dying. We had this discussion which you never finished nor answered when I said I advocated full knowledge of all the consequences because its not a zero sum game on EPA issues. But you seem to think because I want to understand the unintended consequences or even the intended consequences of regulations, that I advocate death. Thats never been the case.

On the other matters, I disagree that you can make a flat generalization that tax cuts or maybe call it tax reform never creates jobs. I agree that there are many situations that you have pointed to in the past like the short term payroll cuts or child credits that put small amounts of money into people hands dont create jobs. Same thing when they provided the tax repatriation holiday but I assume you mean they dont create enough jobs to justify the cost as they clearly create some jobs. Putting money into people's hands at least under Obama's economists like Zandi and others create jobs. I know how you feel about Bush's tax cuts. But in the past targeted tax cuts or reform have created jobs if you feel that they boosted the GDP and economic growth such as during Reagan's era with the investment tax credit, accelerated depreciation he clearly created a real estate investment and manufacturing investment boom at that time that created jobs. Clinton's reduced capital gains tax clearly helped fuel the internet boom and the jobs that went along with it. So to conclude that tax cuts or reform never creates jobs isnt accurate either but my guess is we are closer on this issue than apart.

I agree with much of the rest of your conclusions except on Reich as I have met him and he almost became a board member where I worked. That experience didnt leave me with a good impression. As for Warren, we are going to really disagree on this one as in my opinion she is awful and an idealogue of the worst kind. She doesnt think there are any consequences or expectation of personal accountability for choices one makes in life and that will always be a big problem for her to overcome. I would be surprised if she wins because she really isnt all that popular within democratic power circles which is why they didnt go to bat for her. Just going to bat for her definition of the "little guy" doesnt work with independents if you dont also have some accountability for your actions. But I have been wrong many times in the past and will be again.

As for bailing out Wall Street, we are on the same page. But we should not have bailed out anyone whether it be Wall Street, AIG or GM and Chrysler. The government shouldnt be in the business of picking market winners and losers whether it be wealthy bankers or union pension plans like in GM as political favors. I am not sure how you give the money back in the foreclosures in a fair equitable way that doesnt reward bad decisions or choices that speculators made or just bad financial decisions but if you had a fair and equitable concept I wouldnt be prejudiced against it.

As for Grover Norquist, I think the politicians who sign up for him make big mistakes because one size doesnt fit all, no different than the democrats who are in bed with the unions or any other political power base but the overall concept of fiscal sanity to prevent our kids and grandkids from living in much lower standards of living is a good premise dont you think?

But this deflected the discussion away from Walker and Wisconsin and neighboring states. Do you like Mitch Daniels and respect the job he has done in Indiana? Or do you just hold GOP legislators to different standards? Sounds like you hate Walker whether his policies worked or failed. How do you account for Illinois?

AM, ha seems like a little of the pot calling the kettle black. But of course again your right and I am wrong because its impossible for me to have the brainpower and knowledge that you have. I stand corrected.

Fox News....seriously? the first post is basically calling you a moron if you watch Fox News...

The first thing anyone should learn about "news" is every source is pretty much tainted. Journalism today isn't centered on facts. It's centered on business and selling newspapers or ads and making money. Every media outlet has money as their focus... Beyond that it doesn't really matter a whole hill of beans what you watch. But I would be most weary about anyone telling you not to watch someone specific.

The only thing that Fox News provides is a constant stream of material for comedians. That channel is nothing but misinformation and lies. I stopped watching it a long time ago, but the few clips I hear still make me shake my head in disbelief. I can not understand how any intelligent person can watch that network and actual believe the ridiculous claims they make.

Albany Joe:

That's quite a bit different than someone under an ethic cloud being annointed by the party leader and being put in a position of power and responsibliity by a few of their party cronies in Congress.

True. I'd make Newt more like someone under an ethics cloud who is trying to be annointed by his completely clueless party as a whole to be put into a position of power and responsibility called the Presidency, even though it's likely that he'll just continue lying to Congress and to the American people like he did when he said he wasn't a lobbyist for Freddie Mac.

BIG difference.

Kirk:

But you seem to think because I want to understand the unintended consequences or even the intended consequences of regulations, that I advocate death. Thats never been the case.

Really?

Let's examine that assertion more closely. Did you advocate those regulations being pulled back? I think you did.

That makes you an advocate for death because the probable scientific effects of not adopting those regulations was well-known.

Go ahead and embrace it, Kirk. It's really no surprise to me.

Do you like Mitch Daniels and respect the job he has done in Indiana?

Not at all. He's just a more superficially likable Scott Walker.

Sounds like you hate Walker whether his policies worked or failed.

Possibly. Have you ever REALLY listened to him? If you admire a guy like that, then I seriously question your discernment.

But that doesn't change the fact that his policies don't work. He can't take credit -- as he tried to do -- for one month of job growth in June, which was largely seasonal -- and even Walker admitted that -- but then totally deny responsibility for everything that has happened since his budget passed.

How do you account for Illinois?

No clue, as I don't study it. Not my problem. I've always considered Illinois politics to be unfathomable to the ordinary rube from Dairyland.

And DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT blaming Rahm Emanuel on me.

The government shouldnt be in the business of picking market winners and losers whether it be wealthy bankers or union pension plans like in GM as political favors.

Well, then, you realize that this requires that we get rid of the Small Business Administration, which picks probable winners and losers everyday, and also that we stop awarding defense contracts to campaign contributors.

Which is just fine by me, as I favor public campaign finance, and I always have, if only to make guys like you stop blaming unions for your own ineffectualness.

As for Warren, we are going to really disagree on this one as in my opinion she is awful and an idealogue of the worst kind.

"Awful"?

Well. Since I think I'm a lot like her, then I guess that tells me what you think of me, as well.

No real point in continuing this conversation after that unwarranted and wholly unsupported personal smear on a woman whose only sin as far as I can see is that she doggedly attempts to protect the interests of real people against abuses by phony ones -- i.e., corporations.

I guess that's just not YOUR style.

And, again, no surprise, there.

Have a nice life, Kirk.

Anna Molly - Too bad the original post was collapsed. For what it is worth, yours was a very strong, truthful and green star deserving post at 1.70.

I see very few posts that I can agree with wholeheartedly. It did not parse words or try to defend Obama or his policies. Thanks for your thoughts.

I mused with a friend recently, the Obama presidency, could have gone so much differently if only he hadn't done things so similar to the GOP.

Anna Molly, so what you are telling me again is that you use the old ignore the facts, comments or opinions in which you have no ability to refute, rather lets pull out comments or statements that can be stretched to fit your emotionally charged issue to make it seem like if I advocate or ask that all consequences be reviewed then I must be an awful human being. Again, NO NO NO and you obviously didnt read the posts after telling you that 25 times did I advocate pulling those regs and if you had actually read the back and forth between DCIA and myself you would have realized that. What I asked her and then got jumped on by people like you was have we determined the unintended and intended damage by closing down 25 cement factories and the economic suffering, deaths, addiction etc that it causes along with your multiplier factor for all the ancillary jobs supported. We could save over 4000 lives each year by putting security cameras that follow us everywhere we go and why dont we do that? What about vaccines, do you want to ban them for the supposed damage they cause but then kill more lives by not being vaccinated? You just want to make this argument out of emotion and make me the bad guy without actually doing a little research.

I have no view on Scott Walker as I know him as well as you know Illinois it appears. It just seems to me that you hate anyone that is within the GOP regardless of what they say, do and accomplish. Mitch Daniels is probably done the best job in the nation in terms of fiscal policy in Indiana. The fact that Walker wants to copy him and his success is not surprising and its odd that you dislike Daniels which is also a neighboring state but you feign ignorance on Illinois where Obama learned from the knees of the politicians that have ruined this state.

I dont blame unions, I blame government unions. I have no issue with private sector unions. I just see no need for government employee unions and the corruption and fiscal insanity that they bring.

As for you, even though you find me distasteful, I hold no ill will towards you as I havent met you and you are at least a Packers fan. I dont get emotional and all hateful because people have different opinions and experiences than I do. Sorry but that would limit the world I live in to only those people who are like me and it always seemed to me as if diversity was a good thing. But obviously not to you.

Sorry but as I told you previously when I actually did practice law and Warren was an advisor to the Massachusetts AG's office on bankruptcy issues and I was on the other side as just a lawyer worker bee on a very large credit card bankruptcy investigation that our client settled. What I saw in the meetings with her was a total hate towards credit providers regardless of the facts. Upon evidence shown to her in which the Massachusett's AG's office stipulated to that was accurate she still ignored it and threatened huge media publicity in order to extort millions from the client. She used bad facts that were shown to be less than 5% of the time to reward eggregious behavior by borrowers in over 70% of the cases. I have seen no evidence in what she has put forth to date that she has changed. For example, if it were to be found that in the home foreclosure crisis that 70% of the homes foreclosed were by wealthy owners that didnt want to pay anymore or speculators who just made a bad investment while finding out that in less than 5% of the cases, foreclosures were being done either improperly or based on predatory or illegal subprime lending, Warren wouldnt just fix the 5% she wants to punish the banks or lenders for everything. This myopic view would only lead to less lending with no subprime, minority or risky lending to offset the good loans.

AM, there is a difference from protecting the few abuses by punishing the entire universe to do so. You act as if these evil corporations like McDonalds, Abbot, Harley Davidson and all the rest of this evil empire dont have employees with jobs that are impacted when you shut them down. Again, you prefer to punish everyone, the people who did things the right way, who used self reliance and worked hard etc in order to fix an issue that impacts a very small minority. I guess thats your style huh? My guess is that you are an anti vaccine person. You would rather 5000 people die of the Measles than have one person die from the measles vaccine. Your emotion is on the front end and you accuse me of having no compassion for that person who died from the vaccination while you show total lack or remorse for the people who suffer the medical, health and financial consequences from your saving that one person.

Fox "news" fought for their right to lie to you in a court of law, AND WON...that's all I need to know.

Jody, I can't help but chime in when damage ADMITS that faux 'news' has a different VIEWPOINT,...no facts, no reason - nothing substantive,...just an alternative VIEW.

That is why we mock their sheep. They don't question the crap they're fed,...they just swill it down and Oliver Twist it for "...more, please...".

And there is NO shame or embarassment that their viewpoint is not intended to be FACTUAL. In fact, like most of their ignorance on display - they take PRIDE in being factually devoid.

It would boggle the mind of a reasonable person,...if we took them at all seriously, even for a moment!

Ms. White is an unemployed single mother. Before the interview, Fox learned that she had filed a sexual harassment claim against an employer in 2001. That case was settled. The station also found a bankruptcy filing nearly 23 years ago in Kentucky, and several eviction notices in the Atlanta area over the past six years.

The station also reported that Ms. White had a former business partner who once sought a “stalking temporary protective order” against her for “repeated e-mails/texts threatening lawsuit and defamation of character.” The case was dismissed, but it was followed by a libel lawsuit against Ms. White. A judge entered an order against Ms. White because she failed to respond to the lawsuit, Fox reported.

Can you say......desperate? Needing cash?

Someone tell Wolffie that this women lacks credibility. Just like Larry Sinclair.....y'all remember him, right? The Big O does I bet.

@ Doug Ponders --

And all of that is relevant HOW to the fact that when Fox -- yes, that's right, Fox -- reporters texted the number on her cell phone that she said was Herman Cain's, he called them back AND the fact that the official telephone records for White's phone show many calls from that same number at all times of the day, including 4 a.m.?

What was he doing calling her at 4 a.m., Doug? Any thoughts?

@ Kirk --

What on EARTH are you talking about?

It never ceases to amaze me how you put words in my mouth to suit your purposes. I should know better than EVER to respond to you, and I guess we're back to that again.

Anna Molly, its not that difficult to comprehend so dont give me this what are you talking about stuff. Instead of constantly wanting to create emotionally charged embellished responses to a small part of my post, maybe it would be more beneficial to actually have an intelligent discussion of the overall issue.

For example, from the beginning, we seem to be closer than you would want to admit on several topics but seem to ignore those part of the posts or responses and then move on to a different emotionally charged reaction you want to have elsewhere and then stretch what I said to an absurd conclusion. So lets step back. Lets narrow the discussion and lets look at one or both of these topics that seem to make you want to barf on me. First, lets discuss the EPA rules and go back to the beginning. Lets discuss how as a society or country we should look at additional regs over and above the ones we have in terms of society benefits with regards to the environment. It sounds like you advocate that any environmental benefit if it saves a life is worthwhile regardless of the financial or even health cost as a result of its implementation is that correct? You dont want to do a cost benefit analysis regarding all the intended and unintended consequences of implementation before promulgating the regs?

Or lets discuss Warren with more calm less emotion. What do you like about her? Without making a knee jerk reaction, explain to me what she does that would convince me otherwise? Again, do believe in the save the minority at any cost to the majority? Thats what she advocates in her quest to protect the disadvantaged? You know that she doesnt feel that there should be financial consequences for your bad choices right? Because people are too stupid or ignorant or being taken advantage of by big bad corporations which is condescending in of itself but argue otherwise and convince me instead of going all postal on me.