first reply to your first, first comment....wooo hooo

OK, there is a little logic here, there are milions here illegally, some who have been here for decades...if the policy is every illegal is required to register as illegal and are allowed to make their case for retention and any illegal who doesn't register within a certain period of time and any illegal that fails to meet the criteria for retension...(tax history, self reliance, law abiding, etc..) is deported, I can support it...But none of it is a substitue for securing the borders

Americans across the political spectrum (including this life-long Democrat) are against amnesty or ANY REWARDS (including permanent residency) for immigration lawbreakers. This is a further sham because they are still jumping ahead of those who are trying to comply with the law to come here.

A government which refuses to enforce its own laws is INTOLERABLE!

Reagan tried amnesty, and all it did was encourage more illegals to come here, hoping they too would be forgiven for violating our immigration laws. Rick Perry as governor of Texas granted them in-state tuition -- a perk that legal American citizens don't have unless they happen to be Texas residents. And now Newt wants to grant them a sort of amnesty -- just go home and re-apply, no questions asked, no jail time, no fines paid.

I'm beginning to think the lefties are correct -- Republicans simply appreciate the cheap labor the illegals provide, and they don't want to push too hard to ruin a good thing.

My God, I hope Feisty's not sick.

Newt said nothing about "leaving the country and getting in the back of the line" when he spoke the other day!

In typical fashion ... he is now swimming with the tide ......

"I think the vast majority [of illegal immigrants] will go home and should go home and then should reapply. I do not think anybody should be eligible for citizenship," the former speaker said.....

Heya, Newt.......How can an Illegal Alien (Immigrant) go home and REAPPLY when they NEVER APPLIED FOR CITIZENSHIP when they entered the United States ILLEGALLY ?

Yep, I am so sure all those gang members/drug dealers are going to go home then fill out the paperwork to get a Work Visa (or is that a Drug Visa).

Sheeesh.

BTW.....Feisty is standing on a corner in Chicago supporting the OWS, and she is the only one there. Or maybe she didn't get the word that the protesters left the Wisconsin Captial building months ago. hehehehe

Newt opened a can of worms the other day ... and from his many years as a politician ... he's learned if you can't get the worms back in the can ... paint them an acceptable color .......

Mr.PheaNiques-0000001 "remove their partisan blinders" YOU ... are kidding RIGHT!!!!

When the people of America have all the food homes and money/jobs ...then this jackass can help anyone he wants ...but when i am told my family or my self doesn't qualify for help in anyway ...that's Fucxxx....Our own kids don't qualify for college loans and some illegal person gets health care and college tuition' ..What happen to the America we paid for ? He is brought and paid for ..he has no right to be president of the USA !

The problem with the USA is these "BUMS" in the congress& senate take care of everyone but the American people !

Hey you did it! Congrats on being first WCA.

So what Newt wants is a new form of legalized slavery. Well, that, at least, rings true to the values of the Republican party.

I suggest a different approach. Streamline the application process. Once they are citizens, they have the same shot as the rest of us. Once that happens, they may go home after all, since they can't find a job either.

Anyone want to discuss the horror the administrative horror story and time scales involved in processing 10-20 million people?

What happens to these families Newt doesn't want to tear apart during that administrative process, which judging by the fact that ICE presently holds people for years before even deporting them could prove a nuightmare?

azdad48

Reagan tried amnesty, and all it did was encourage more illegals to come here, hoping they too would be forgiven for violating our immigration laws. Rick Perry as governor of Texas granted them in-state tuition -- a perk that legal American citizens don't have unless they happen to be Texas residents. And now Newt wants to grant them a sort of amnesty -- just go home and re-apply, no questions asked, no jail time, no fines paid.

I'm beginning to think the lefties are correct -- Republicans simply appreciate the cheap labor the illegals provide, and they don't want to push too hard to ruin a good thing.

Isn't your statement a bit hypocritical?

You criticize some republicans stance on the illegal alien issue, yet you support the democrats. Do you not know that Jerry Brown and the State of California are offering in-state tuition and just passed a state version of the DREAM Act. Mr. Obama has already granted "backdoor" amnesty by having the Dept of Homeland Security only perform "selective" deportations.

So Mr. Pheaniques do you think it was idiotic to go into Pakistan and kill Bin Laden?

I'm beginning to think the lefties are correct -- Republicans simply appreciate the cheap labor the illegals provide, and they don't want to push too hard to ruin a good thing.

Arthur Laffer, top conservative economist, in a speech to the Heritage Foundation's President's Club (the Heritage Foundation is a conservative "think tank"):

Not only are these people the life's blood of America, they are, but let me just say to you tonight, on economic terms, the illegal immigrants are also the life's blood of this society. And I'm going to be hard core with you. They produce high quality labor at low cost and they cheat on their taxes. It doesn't get any better.

"I think the vast majority [of illegal immigrants] will go home and should go home and then should reapply. I do not think anybody should be eligible for citizenship," the former speaker said to loud applause in Southwest Florida with his wife, Callista, sitting in the front row of the audience. "I am suggesting a certification of legality with no right to vote and no right to become an American citizen unless they go home and apply through the regular procedures back home and get in line behind everybody else who has obeyed the law and stayed back there."

Interesting expansion of his original comment. A comment, that I, and many others had a big problem with. I still have a problem with his statement. How many illegals are paying taxes? If they are paying taxes, it must be on a fake SSI number. I think, overall, there will be very few who would qualify under Newt"s criteria. The only part I do agree with is the part that they should go home. At least he has the nerve to state that his process will only allow them to stay in the country, and not be able to vote. Washington needs to stop seeing Illegals as a new voting block. Under no circumstances should Illegals be allowed to vote.

It is pretty funny he uses the word "reapply," they never applied in the first place.

Doesn't matter if you're first cuz nobody knows who you are. But it is refreshing to see another fake name posting first :-)

There are so many irrelevant posters on this site, full of opinions, but lacking the courage to take ownership of their words. I was one of you and finally realized that poultry is just another name for chicken.

For those of you that would like to claim ownership of your names, go to the following link, select "Change Name" in the Subject drop down menu.

http://www.newsvine.com/_nv/cms/info/contact

As a person who watched the debate its amazing that Gingrich would sit up and now claim he does not support amnesty, then turn right around and support amnesty again.

"But I am for a path to legality for those people whose ties are so deeply into America that it would truly be tragic to try and rip their family apart."

That's amnesty and he also supported a dream act in his statements. Now, people may not recall Ronald Reagan giving amnesty in the 80's. Of course that was followed by that would be the only time. Since then have they tightened the border? No but millions of additional illegal aliens flocked here to get the next amnesty.

First we had illegal Alien

Next Undocumented Alien

Then Undocumented illegal

Next Undocumented illegal worker

Right after, Undocumented legal worker

Recently documented illegal American

Now undocumented legal Americans...

My recommendations: How about we start from scratch with all illegals back in Mexico; get politicians in washington to get their heads out of the asses; then do things the right way? Is that too much ta ask?

What's the cost to have 20 million apply for citizenship? How long would it take for someone to get to come to America?

Right now it can take 5 to 10 years to become a citizen, something that most of our forefathers did not have to endure. Sure, they immigrated but were processed expediently.

We need a streamlined process for becoming a citizen.

It really doesn't matter what Newt or any other Republican candidate says about undocumented workers. The big business wing of the GOP, including and especially the Ag sector wants, needs, and depends on their cheap labor because it's part of their business plans. They'll posture to the base plenty, but it's all phony.

The really amusing part of this is that Newtie did more than anyone else to turn the formerly thoughtful, statesmanlike Republican Party into a pack of ravenous werewolves, devoid of reason but with an amazing thirst for blood. He deserves to be rhetorically dismembered by the monster he created.

Gotta luv us some Newtie .. G.D. liberal media!! First off, do not quote anything I said during the debate because it is a lie. Anything I said after the debate is the truth. Just because I proposed amnesty does not mean I support amnesty.

Where does Newt stand on the Al-schwitsz-abama "Show Me Your Papers" state law? Is he all for arresting visitors who do not carry their documents? Is he for immediate execution if you do not have your papers on you (reminder, US travel advisers always say keep your papers locked safely in your room)?

The clown goes round and round.

As Thom Hartman likes to say: "We don't have an illegal alien problem so much as we have an illegal EMPLOYER problem."

These people are coming here for the jobs. The employers knows they're hiring an undocumented worker. They hire them anyway, and sign them up for Soc. Sec. deductions and FICA. These people will never collect on Soc. Sec., and many live as indentured slaves. Prosecute the employers and your problem will be stopped at the source.

Illegal immigration does not affect me, nor does it concern me. Use your brains.

Candidly people,...........be honest here. How many of you have ever applied for a job to pick lettuce? Well then,....how many of you have applied for a job to scrub toilets in a Marriott hotel? So then,.....how many of you republicans ever applied for a job to sand and finish drywall in a housing/apartment development? Any of you people an agricultural worker, or do menial labor at a construction site? No?

Employers raked in the savings from employing illegals, but when was the last time the price of produce dropped? Why don't the wage savings manage to make their way to us? What happened to your "free" market? Hmmmmmmmm? Speak up. Can't hear ya'. Put another way: the UAW gave in to massive concessions in 2007 to keep the Big 3 afloat. Did anyone see the price of cars drop precipitously? Why ya' suppose that is? Use that giant, massive republikan brain and think about it.

Like I said ILLEGAL immigration does not concern nor affect me.

What DOES affect me is the LEGAL immigration: the H1B Visa program.

Offshoring is taking the job to a foreign country. H1B Visas let you bring the foreign country to the job. Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of foreigners a year are brought here to displace American workers in Physical therapy, engineering of all types, electronics, auto design, silicon chip designers,.....you name the high tech field,...and I guarantee you they're there. Americans can't get jobs, and wages and benefits are suppressed, and these people are exploited by your noble "job creators".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa

A friend of mine was looking for a job as an engineer for 3 years while I watched swarms of Indian and Chinese engineers hired over her at Chrysler. Her only crime was that she was an American. If she applied from Bangalore and called herself SwamiKrishna she'd of been hired immediately.

I suggest you people start concerning yourself with the types of immigration that really DO harm America rather that this artificially-produced milquetoast diversion.

Sounds to me like Newt is trying to make a case to keep his laborers in the country and send those that doesn't work for him out of the country.

Mr.PheaNiques-0000001 said:

Why do imbeciles come to a discussion forum without the mental fortitude to view other people's opinions

For the same reason morons come to forums without the intellect to understand people might think what they have to say is worthless. Judging by your inane posts, one would think you would have already learned this. I suppose learning disabilities go hand in hand with being intellectually challenged.

What Newt said is not unlike what has been talked about by the Progressives. Now this is an issue since a Republican spoke those thoughts?

Come on, nothing is really going to be done about these criminal aliens, and life goes on as ususal in the US of A.

The issue for many republicans is that he spoke those "progressive" thoughts, not only did Reagen speak them he did it, but Newt is not nearly the actor Reagen was. Now the issue is he is trying to retract his words of just a few days ago, and Newt is not quite as good a flip flopper as Romney. Newt takes it personally when you call him out for changing his story in a matter of days, when you call him out he claims "you are the one lying if you quote me". Ta Da

The issue for many republicans is that he spoke those "progressive" thoughts,

Those aren't "progressive thoughts". Progressive thoughts are basically to suck up to the hispanic community - promise them everything in the spirit of pure political pandering. How else can Obama win the election?

Sheez .... We only have 129 miles out of a 1,954 mile border secure and Obama is suing states over their efforts to protect themselves! We have border agents being shot and killed in firefights with drug cartels. We now even have running gun battes on the border with Mexican authorities shooting cartel gunmen from helicpters near Escobares - 100s of US law enforcement/SWAT responding a finding shot-up cartel members on US soil. ( The Monitor / November 09,2011).

And Obama does nothing ...... even after an terrorist/asasination plot involving the drug gangs coming over the border.

Obama promised the Dream Act, had to apologize for not producing (the American people are against it) and is now, for all practical purposes, not deporting anyone except felony criminals.

Talking about ways to address the problem, to secure the damn border, to get the situation under control and to resolve immigration issues with respect to American law and values is certainly not the dominant "progressive" thought.

not only did Reagen speak them he did it,

Yea Reagan, made a deal - amnesty for the promise of securing the border. So we now have 4 times as many aliens as before and all the above with a president who has no concern for anything except his re-election.

Which brings us to the salient point, how regardless of party/whatever - how angry many Americans are now due to the current situation compounded by the disingenuous duplicitity of the Dem party.

Many Americans are simply tired and angryof the politics and games and emotionally drift to the far opposite side.

Now the issue is he is trying to retract his words of just a few days ago, and Newt is not quite as good a flip flopper as Romney.

Newt has not flipped on this. He taking a rational measured response to a complex issue.

He is also taking a position that is politically dangerous given the primary / and emotions of the base. Newt obviusly feels he is proposing the right, the sensible solution to a complex issue and that he can sway opinion.

In other words, he is making a tough stand on a difficult issue .... he is exhibiting leadership ...... something the president doesn't have a clue about.

In other words, he is making a tough stand on a difficult issue

Really Bob seems as if he is backpedaling as best as he can from his statements of just a few days ago, if you read this thread you are one of the few republicans that like his stance and leadership on his idea of selective amnesty. I give him this much he does realize that there will never be the mass deportations he is for today that he was against just a few days ago. It was somewhat brave of him to go there after he seen what happened to Perry on the subject, but that did not last long. Now that is leadership isn't it telling people you are for what you knew a few days ago would not happen, and why didn't GW get the job done he had 8 years and the problem only got worse. How about John McCain, be backed off pretty quick with his ideas that were similar to Newts. Starting with Reagen's amnesty, republicans have never done anything to solve this problem.

This makes no sense at all. Here we are without the manpower, budget or judicial system capable of deporting illegals in numbers anywhere near the numbers coming in, and the response is to deport them and make them reapply ? Where is the budget to enforce this ? Where is the budget to process these applications ? Since these people do not meet criteria to get entry legally, why would they leave and reapply ? How much tax increase are you going to vote for to fund the huge federal bureaucracy it would take to enforce this plan, process the people, ship them out , etc ? If we had that money and manpower we would do it now, but we do not, that is why deportations and deportation hearings are backed up for years ! This "plan" is totally idiotic ! Why am I not surprised.

We don't have the manpower or money to stop them coming in, so where is the manpower and money going to come from to enforce new rules that would have them leave and reapply ?

Excellent points MM, if we really want to get after this Congress will have to "Show us the Money"

So let me get this straight, if I march or protest in any city's downtown or occupy a park for OWS, I will be arrested on the spot, probably beaten about the head and body, and thrown in jail for exercising my rights as a US citizen, BUT, if I sneak across an international border into the US, have a kid and get free medical care, food stamps, housing, a cash payment every month as an illegal alien, and probably work for less than minimum wage, I will be greeted with open arms by the Dept. Of Homeland Security and told I won't be arrested or deported as an illegal alien along with the illegal anchor kid's that were born here illegally. And these as*holes at Homeland Security and in the Govt. wonder why people are pissed off, marching in the streets, and occupying parks, towns, streets, and cities all across the US. You are abusing the Patriot Act and taking away our rights as US citizens and granting or allowing illegals to occupy our own country illegally. Mexico, please keep your trash in your own yard and call all the illegal anchor kids and their illegal parents back home. No Nightmare Act should ever be passed in my country, ever!! This country doesn't have the $money$ to legalize anybody right now and after 10 years these people will all be eligible for benefits and steal all the money that you worked your entire life for. NO THANK YOU, ALL ILLEGAL'S OUT!!

The children are not illegal, if they are born here they are US citizens, they are guilty of no crime, they are innocent, they are not responsible for the crimes of their parents.

And the parents aren't eligible for welfare either.

None of which changes the fact that the OWS protesters have good reason to be angry with the Kings of Wall Street who crashed the world economy so badly we still haven't fully recovered.

My crystal ball tells me that they broke the law of the land by coming here illegally. What is it that people become when they break the law.....CRIMINALS! Round their criminal a$$es up, get as much information as can be had about them, if they are working here, fine their employer heavily so THEY understand the law of the land concerning the hiring of illegals, send the illegals back to their own country with the understanding that they can NEVER apply for citizenship as they chose to break the law by coming here ILLEGALLY. Newt needs to continue his longstanding work with kids in the DC area for which I applaud him and understand that promoting anything that would help an illegal is a slap in the face to actual citizens of this country. BTW, I am a dyed-in-the-wool, left leaning liberal. There are many of us who feel this way. I think that this issue will only get more rancorous until we make these politicians understand that the welfare of American citizens come before the actions of criminals.

I agree, its a an attempt to have his cake and eat it to. Basically he is saying he wants to remove to mexico all mexicans except some.

BTW, I am a dyed-in-the-wool, left leaning liberal.

Not anymore you're not, not after a post like that...your liberal membership cancellation is in the mail.

K. M. Morris

Newt,You are for the path that will try to get the hispanic vote!!!!

I think Mr Obama already has the "undocumented" democrat vote locked up.

He has already racked up more deportation cases in three years than the Bush adminstration did in 8 years.

@culheath,

It may very well be in the mail but I've faced far worse. LOL. I'm a liberal demmie and proudly so!

Forrest Grump 2.0

He has already racked up more deportation cases in three years than the Bush adminstration did in 8 years.

That would sound good if true.

During Bush's term there were 1.57 million deportations, as of mid-September there have been 1.06 million deportations by the Obama administration.

You need to post a link to your evidence, patriot_in_nh, because I haven't found anything to support your claim. Even if the numbers are correct. Obama is on track to surpass in four years what Bush accomplished in eight.

Then I shall rephrase that using your numbers, if Obama is re-elected he is on pace to have 2.81 million deportations compared to Bush's 1.57 million in the same time period.

Sandie-644591

@culheath,

It may very well be in the mail but I've faced far worse. LOL. I'm a liberal demmie and proudly so!

Glad you saw the humor :)

Sandie:

I personally believe you've raised a very valid point.

The opereative word in the debate is "illegal"...

America is a land of equality; if I do something illegal, I am locked up in prison - if an immigrant is illegal, same or similar treatment is mandated.

This is just basics. I'm sorry, and I may not like it, but illegal is illegal and must be addressed and treated as such; otherwise, leave me alone if I smoke dope or have firearms or drive 80mph in a 50 mph zone.

Come on people - this is really too simple. Either we are who we profess to be, or we are liars practicing double standards.

Guess you can send my notice in the mail too, culheath.

I take my humor where it can be found. Thanks!

It shouldn't take between 5 and 10 years to become a citizen.

Streamline the process.

Give temporary residence status until they can be background checked, if they are in violation of a felony send them packing. If they have proven themselves to be part of society and shown they can make an honest living then grant them citizenship.

Also, amnesty is for people that live in fear of persecution from their government. It's has nothing to do with migration.

Changes his story around now..normal GOP ways.

flbikerchick:

Obama is on track to surpass in four years what Bush accomplished in eight.

Good post. Proves that as bad as the RNC sales pitches try to make the President out to be, he is still twice as good as what we had before.

Does this get my membership back culheath?

flbikerchick

You need to post a link to your evidence, patriot_in_nh, because I haven't found anything to support your claim.  Even if the numbers are correct.  Obama is on track to surpass in four years what Bush accomplished in eight.

Statiscally possible that he will, he is also ontrack to grant amnesty to more than Bush too. But
I don't see it as a contest.

There are many articles on the matter feel free to search for them and let me know if I am wrong. Here's one from this site.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44599016/ns/politics-more_politics/t/obama-set-outpace-bush-deportations/

Hey Newt, You were in Congress to serve, not profit ?????????

Just deporting illegals and having them apply for legal entry is not nearly enough. Once caught and deported, they should have to be made to wait for a lengthy period (perhaps 2 or 3 years) before being allowed to apply for legal immigration into the U.S, and they would be put at the end of the list.

Any illegal's caught in this country for the 2^nd time would have a much longer wait before being allowed to apply for legal immigration into this country.

Those that are apprehended for a 3^rd (or more) time would be permanently barred from entry and if found in this country will be subject to a lengthy prison term before being deported. Any illegal's convicted of committing a felony would serve their prison term before being deported.

There is no country on this planet that considers that is has any obligation to accept immigrants. They generally do so at their convenience, and as has been discovered by many European countries, at their own peril.

Why is it the perception that to get the indigenous Hispanic vote, candidates feel they need to propose some form of amnesty. Do they think all legal Hispanic residents want open borders? If Newt goes down this path, he's toast.

I am totally flabbergasted by some of these responses. Gingrich is offering a compromised solution to a criminal and economic issue of Illegal Aliens continued border entry, that is destroying the economic fabric of this nation...Why are many of you praising Obama to the sky, when the man has accomplished very little in three years; increased the national debt another 6+ Trillion.

Wake up and smell the coffee, President Obama won't address this Illegal Alien issue, because he is wooing the Hispanic vote for 2012. President Obama isn't doing the job he was elected to do and come up with streamlined laws, to deal with the economic havoc created in America by the constant influx of illegal aliens!

Don't drum up "Obama-Care" (its seems to be your constant shining star on the hill). Nobody wants "Obama-Care"... Its forced government control over our medical care; and the elderly will suffer the most. Seniors will lose necessary Medicare to cover start-up costs for Obama Care. FYI, Social Security and Medicare are not "Entitlements" as the President conveniently describes, to justify $500 Billion removed from Medicare. These programs are funded fully via Taxpayer Payroll Deductions and Employer Payroll matching since 1940. Someone explain to me how a pre-funded trust accounts become "Entitlements" at the President's discretion?

Plus, businesses with over 50 employees will reduce their labor force to reduce mandatory Obama Care costs. This will increase unemployment from middle road businesses forced to carry it and now will cut cost by reducing labor. Our National unemployment rate is still over 9%, with states like Nevada hitting 14.9%; California at 12%; Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi,Florida & Rhode Island pushing 11% unemployment.

Which brings us back around to the Illegal Alien problem in this country. Illegal aliens aren't just taking blue collar field worker jobs, they are taking the "bread and butter" higher paid blue and white collar worker jobs in this nation. Our skyrocketing unemployment percentages verify that!

We have a serious illegal alien issue in this country, folks! So get off the "Politically Correct" bandwagon and face the gravity of the situation on our economy. Increased crime in this country can directly be associated with Illegal Alien movement in this nation. Examples of such are: Border Killings & Kidnappings, Increased Gang Problems, Illegal Weapons Movement and Illegal Drug Movement. There are parts of Arizona highway areas close to the border with posted signs "travel this area at your own risk". These warnings are directly related to border crime issues.

Let me clarify my position regarding Illegal Aliens. I have no problem with any Illegal Alien that wants to properly register, obtain citizenship and become accountable to our laws and tax requirements governing this nation. Alternately, it is not America's responsibility to support Illegal Aliens and their families that milk our economy dry via illegal employment; abuse of our social programs; Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare and Social Security; overrunning our court and prison systems with crime and gang related convictions; collapsing our educational system that's forced to find funding to educate these illegal children in various languages.

Some say, well the Illegal Aliens may have to return to their own country for up to 10 years before allowed to return.. So, what's your point? Sometimes, there are consequences for breaking a law. Just because illegal aliens were lucky enough to live "under the radar" for numerous years, doesn't make their actions any less criminal.... And yes, entering any country's borders without proper documentation IS A CRIME. Get caught in Mexico illegally and see what happens to you. You will be thrown in the darkest cell around for a couple of years (if your lucky) and then they might decide to deport you.

I've heard bleeding hearts decry "well they came to this country as small children or babies with their parents.""Hogwash!" It was the parents responsibility to properly register these families; with that not done, these young Illegal Aliens have a responsibility to register upon reaching the age of 18 years old.

Plus, don't forget amnesty programs have been offered in the past and largely ignored. During the Reagan era, illegal aliens were given the opportunity of legally registering without fear of deportation and very few took advantage of the opportunity. It's one thing if one doesn't have the opportunity; it's another when aliens are just too lazy to take the opportunity to correct the problem.

Finally, why is everyone making excuses for these aliens. What does it say about Illegal Aliens regard for America? These aliens aren't loyal and owe no support to this nation. By their own actions, their sole purpose is to take what they can get from America, without any legal, tax or financial consequences or responsibilities. Consider if you will, you really don't know who has crossed the borders or what hidden agenda's they may have. This is a REAL NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

First and foremost, SECURE OUR BORDERS. With that accomplished, Streamline the Illegal Alien Registration Process; Require "Steps to Citizenship" mandatory for all who want to stay in this nation (If Aliens have no allegiance to this nation....their allegiance lies elsewhere); Require Background Checks so we know who is actually here and why; Require Aliens to apply for legitimate Social Security numbers and pay taxes on their Earned Wages (like everyone else!); and, regardless of time spent in this country, deport those Illegal Aliens who refuse to comply these requirements.

There comes a time when Americans have to put the economic welfare and stability of this nation above political affiliations. The Constitution is very clear on immigration to America and what is required. Either we are a nation of laws and all must followed; are we are a nation headed toward anarchy...

This post may seem harsh to some... However, sometimes reality is harsh and the truth hurts!......

Patriot_in_n_h:

Tried your link and here is what I got:

The page you requested cannot be found

The Web page you are attempting to view may not exist

Never mind.... got it the second time trying. They must have been going through a brain fart or something.

Thanks!

@Ronzwyf,

THANK YOU!!!!!

First, 99.9% of the ILLEGAL ALIENS here would not qualify for a resident visa. Under today's standards, most of them would not qualify for a visitor's visa.

Next, if they are working they have already committed one or more felony crimes.

Next, the majority of the ILLEGAL ALIENS do NOT want the agricultural jobs, they want jobs in the trades, you know, the ones Citizens will do.

Next, we already have in place VISAS for agricultural workers who come, follow the harvest and are supposed to go home.

For those who cry about an easier path, we LEGALLY give resident visas to upwards of ONE MILLION people every year while we have 14-20 MILLION citizens unemployed.

The problem with Obama's "deportation" numbers is they NOW count every person they stop at the border and turn back or "catch and release" into Mexico as a "deportation". Many of them have been stopped several times and sent back. The numbers do not reflect actual deportations as handed down by a judge.

If for all these years, Republican and Democrat Congresses have been saying stop illegal immigration, Why do we still have illegal immigration?

deport all the illegals! they are breaking the law and they know it, no amnesty for criminals. want unemployment to drop like a rock? deport the illegals.

alabama unemployment droped sharply after the crackdown on illegals. in june of this year unemployment in the state ran at 10%. it dropped to 8.8% in september, and october it dropped to 8.1%. americans wont do the jobs huh? the numbers speak for themselves.

enforce our laws and get rid of the criminals. this will do more for the economy than any stimulus plan the government can come up with. its time for the US government to put its citizens first.

There all the same to put it delicately..Oh please vote for me" they couldn't give a sack religion about Americans.

The USA does not have the staff of judges, law enforcement,lawyers, physical court houses and staff, ICE agents, etc to deport more illegals, or to enforce this "Newt Amnesty" proposal. There are not enough people to do the job, plain and simple, and if they hire more people that means adding to Federa payroll, benefits, retirements, etc. To pay for that we would have to raise taxes and republicans have already sworn that they will never do that. Someone please tell me how we deport more people ( as per Constitution they are entitled to a hearing and appeals ) without hireing more Federal employees and spending more money which equates to higher taxes ?

they should have to be made to wait for a lengthy period (perhaps 2 or 3 years) before being allowed to apply for legal immigration into the U.S, and they would be put at the end of the list.

The penalty period now is 10 years, and the end of the list, for those who qualify for the list, is 75 years away for some people. Two years makes more sense, but zero makes the most sense.

Why on earth should anyone who has a job 'wait' for an additional 85 years to reapply for their job? They'll be dead by then.

if they are working they have already committed one or more felony crimes

Since when is WORKING a crime?

The Nazis made it a crime for Jews to work in the Third Reich. Sounds like you'd be happier in a Nazi state.

This is America, where we celebrate teh American WORK ETHIC.

I have no problem with any [@#%#@#] l Alien that wants to properly register, obtain citizenship and become accountable to our laws and tax requirements governing this nation.

That's a very sensible point. Let's pass a law allowing that, and we can process all of the people who lack status now.

Then all we need to do is enact sensible rules that are in America's own best self-interests (in stark contrast to the idiot rules we have now), and we can eliminate 100% of unauthorized immigration in the future. When there's a LEGAL way, NO ONE will skirt the rules.

You're not looking at this deeply enough. He's proposing amnesty for businesses, and no rights for the workers.

He knows as well as any republican that deporting 12 million cheap laborers would destroy any number of private sector industries. He's just trying to tap-dance his way around the problem, while sounding like a humanitarian to the Latino part of the party. If, at the end of the Civil War, we gave all the Blacks a little red card so that the Whites could continue to legally mistreat them, don't you think the South would have jumped at it?

One point ur missing is that all of these illegal immigration laws being passed are in republican states. So they are willing to lose their Cheap labor and Alabama saw a decrease in unemployment when they passed theirs.

Governor Robert Bentley announced today that Alabama’s October unemployment rate dropped by half of a percentage point to 9.3%. The unemployment rate in September was 9.8%. October’s rate represents 201,296 unemployed persons, down from 211,132 last month. This is the fourth consecutive month Alabama’s unemployment rate has decreased.

So it going down, but slowly bc people are still hoping the law will be shot down by the supreme court.

"For one thing, the Prattville Republican who supports the bill said three of the five states that had the steepest unemployment rate drops in October have implemented new immigration laws. South Carolina, Utah and Alabama all have passed laws meant to curb illegal immigration, he said. The other two -- Minnesota and Michigan -- haven't taken as tough a stance.

Alabama, Minnesota and Michigan each had a half-percent decrease in their unemployment rates last month, leading the nation, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics."

One is from the Governor of Alabama's website and the other is from

blog.al.com/businessnews/2011/11/alabama_immigration_law_might.html

@theCavalier,

I happen to be a black woman and am sick and tired of illegal criminals trying to piggyback on the civil rights issue. There is NOTHING similar about the two as we (black people) were and are CITIZENS trying to equal the playing field. I could go further into the subject here but it is clear that you have a certain agenda so I would just say to you, do not equate your cause with the struggle of black CITIZENS. It's ridiculous, transparent, disingenuous and disgusting!

Ha really, below you are calling for the deportation of innocent children who are US citizens. What happened to "if you infringe on the rights of any American you demean the rights of all Americans"

Talk about ridiculous, transparent, disingenuous and disgusting, to use your own words, whats more special about your civil rights than those of the Mexican children born on US soil, who are by long standing law US citizens?

Was is your choice to be born here? African Americans had a tough go to be sure, but I would not call for you're deportation back to Africa, because your ancestors did not follow proper immigration procedures.

Well Forest,

Many of my ancestors were not given a choice in the matter as to their arrival in this country. Also it would have taken considerable more effort to enter the country then considering the fact that Africa does not border the U.S. I grant you that the anchor babies obviously had no say in where they were born, HOWEVER, that was no mere coincidence. Their parents wiped their butts on the Constitution is basically what happened with that. Is that demeaning enough for you? Their parents knew full well that those kids would be granted citizenship. I will even go so far as to say that many of these kids would not have even been born if it were not for that fact! And furthermore, yes, I am saying unequivocally that the civil rights issue is an entirely different animal than these illegals forcing themselves into the country. Was it my choice to be born here? Was it your choice to be born here? Do not ask silly questions. My parents were citizens, as were my grandparents and great-grandparents. These kids parents are not citizens of this country but they are illegal aliens and as such, they are criminals. I stand by my words that these kids should have their citizenship revoked and be deported as their place of birth was the result of an illegal act on the part of their parents. And it continues today. Maybe you could print out some copies of the Constitution and hand them out to illegals. I hear the price of toilet tissue is going up.

The fact that you had no choice in your being born here is a perfectly relevant question even though you think it is silly. Why is it silly, is it silly because it destroys your argument. I'll stop asking what you call silly questions when you stop acting like you respect the constitution and simultaneously claim your rights are more important than the rights of children born on US soil which the constitution you are so worried about thereby grants them full citizenship. So now do you want a constitutional amendment so you can strip these children of their US citizenship. You can't have it both ways either you believe in the constitution or you don't. Do you propose we punish the children of a car thief as if they are car thieves as well, your position on these children is impossible to defend, morally or Constitutionally.

When you make money off of illegal activities like dealing drugs, stolen goods, ect you loose that money. Should be the same way with citizenship. I do believe it's time to bring the constitution into the 21st century. This isn't the 1800s anymore, we don't have wide open lands to settle, and we sure as he!! don't need a flood of illiterate poor people who have more loyalty to their home country than the US coming here by the hundreds of thousands.

@Texasfightergal

It's too early to tell if the Alabama law will decrease unemployment. In fact, there is no way to tell if this is because unemployment and the economy are slowly improving nationwide.

Many tried to do the manual labor and left. What I want to see are the costs of implementing the law. If business was hurt and school funding was drastically affected. Then the question is, at what cost.

Forest,

First, please by all means, let's leave the silly stuff out, starting with the car thief business. Eventually the car thief will be caught and have to pay a fine or go to jail or something. Your point of view seems to be one of let's reward the criminals and their children. Do you believe that these anchor babies were born here merely due to chance or coincidence? If that is what you believe then you are beyond naive. Additionally, what do you know of my feelings about the Constitution? Exactly zero, as you do not know me personally. I can respect the document but disagree with certain aspects of it all at the same time. When that document was drawn up, who at that time could foresee that certain people would use it to try to force their will on the citizens of this country? Your question regarding choices of birthplace was silly because clearly, obviously, infants do not have that choice. Yes, even infants of illegals do not have that choice. What interests me is why you seem to think that the simple act of their having been born in this country, in many, many instances due to scheming illegal parents, means that we just need to let this behavior continue in the fashion it has. Yes, I do believe that the Constitution needs to be amended in this regard because it is being used by criminals to advance a certain agenda. An agenda which needs to be shut down ASAP. Your admonishment of either believing in the Constitution or not is childish in nature as many issues are rarely black and white. I stand by and defend my position on anchor babies. Time to change their status. And deport them.

I bring up the car thief example because you suggest to treat the children of criminals with the same regard as if they themselves have committed the crime. They have no choice in the matter, they did not scheme to do anything illegal. Calling for their deportation is nonsense in reality, not only will it take a change in the constitution but it will have to made retroactive, to do what you want, and thereby strip millions of previously legal citizens of their citizenship as well, it is a legal pipe dream to propose to single out a particular group and take away their status alone in the name of the constitution. Not to mention that this is to be done solely because of a crime their parents committed which you admit they had no control over whatsoever. I never said we should let the behavior continue, I never said that at all, if you read my posts I call for border security. I said you better consider a type of amnesty or build orphanages for the children that were already born here because realistically there is no way they can be deported. The more you entertain the idea of a retroactive constitutional amendment specifically designed to target a particular group of innocent children and punish them for the crimes of their parents, the sillier it gets.

OK Forest, good for you. You call for border security. YAY! That will solve the problem, I'm sure of it! I bow and am in serious awe of your call for border security. Does that make you feel better or superior or whatever feeling you are so obviously searching, reaching for? One can only hope.

I'm not searching or reaching for anything Sandie, I have written about this before, I don't condone, or defend illegal immigration. I stated it needs to be solved, and the solutions as I see it involves at least the three components I discussed in my post below, which are border security, overhaul of immigration policy and procedure, and punishment of those that employ illegals. I only defend the rights of the children born here, as they are innocent, they have committed no crime, and under longstanding US law they are US citizens, and as such their full rights that citizenship affords should and will be protected. In my opinion calling for their deportation is a reach, a reach beyond reasonableness, fairness, and legality. I'm being practical, we will either have to offer many of the parents some way to stay and care for them, or you can deport the parents and make them wards of the state, but innocent children who are US citizens will not be forcefully deported.

Forrest,

One of my grandfathers was born in Glasgow by chance. His Irish parents and brothers were passing through (longer story). Martin O'....... was born in Glasgow, Scotland and his mother died giving birth to him. They weren't at home. It was not planned.

So Martin was born a Scot, while his family were all Irish.

And that, Sandie:

Is one of the millions of ways and millions of contingencies and possibilities in this vast Universe, that:

'anchor babies' are born all over the world into countries they did not choose -

and weren't old enough to swear treasonous pledges and oaths yet.

If for all these years, Republican and Democrat Congresses have been saying stop illegal immigration, Why do we still have illegal immigration?

Mike, I will open Box #22.

Is the answer:

Because we haven't built the Moat yet?

Sandie, YOU are the one wiping your butt on the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment, the Due Process clause, etc.

As for claiming that you are 'superior' to others because of rights inherited from your parents – as opposed to God-given rights or rights granted by the Constitution – it seems you are also wiping your butt on the blood, sweat, and tears of generations of American slaves, who were held to be 'inferior' on the same grounds you use now. Then there are the 500,000 Americans who died during the Civil War, and 20 million people around the world who died during World War II.

You should pray about that. I have, and it led to a change of both heart and mind.

Why do we still have illegal immigration?

Three reasons:

1. We have silly rules at present, that ensure unauthorized immigration will be with us until we change the rules. Example: In 1986, a buch of iditot politicians dabbling in social engineering set a cap on 'unskilled labor' at 5,000 entries per year. Since then, American businesses have hired, and trained, an average of 500,000 foreign born laborers per year. By raiding factories and arresting people for working, instead of passing sensible rules, we have chased MILLIONS of jobs overseas, and might never have a chance to get them back.

2. Foolish politicians refuse to change the rules to something that is more sensible, and better aligned with our national self-interest.

3. The opinion mongers for the majority are getting their talking points from organizations like the CIS, FAIR, and NumbersUSA, all founded by Nazi sympathizers who want to bring Hitler's policies on "genetics" to the US in a 'less objectionable' form.

How refreshing to read common sense here, commonsense...

Newt is a clown with a real no-lose proposal going here. I'm pretty sure he was happy at the back of the pack, selling his books and dvds. Being president is hard work, which is why Palin acted like she might run, pulling all the sucker-money in, until it came to having to actually say yes or no, and then she bailed. Newt, on the other hand, is not afraid of hard work. He'll work hard to make sure his job gets easier by taking the Federal government as far out of the business of governing as possible. It will all be up to the states, and he can sit back, and sell his books, dvds, write more lousy books, and, if we are all lucky, he'll make them required reading for all the public schools. He makes his money either way. I have to hand it to him; he may be an illegitimate son of Satan, but he's not stupid.

No, not most, ALL illegals need to be picked up and deported. All of them, and send their anchor babies with them.

GTR5

Anchor babies is just BS and has already proven a MILLSTONE, bring in a notwithstanding clause and put that loophole to rest down a Texas two-holer.

GTR5, America doesn't need any more child abusers. Picking on the rights of infants, and infants who are US citizens at that, is disgusting.

You call people 'illegal' for committing a civil misdemeanor at the same time that you yourself call for the government to violate the Constitution of the United States of America.

What part of the word "hypocrite" don't you understand?

There is a difference between paying taxes and filing a return. LOTS of illegals have been having taxes deducted from paychecks for a long time. The requirement of proof of a SSN and citizenship has not been around that long, and strongly enforced even less. But yes, illegals have been working jobs, paying taxes, but just not filing returns, especially if they are to get a refund.

Check your congress- Due to our tax code most, if not all, would qualify for a hefty refund that they do not get. Also, all of their money (after what is sent back to their family) is spent and generates tax revenue. Most have fake SSN and documentation that "legally" allows them to be hired (employers are not obligated to verify document authenticity and do not get in trouble if the employee has a fake one- no matter how bad the forgery is). Social security and some other taxes are taken out but never collected. BTW the fact that illegals can "legally" be hired to work is the HUGE loophole that neither party wants to see closed. I'm not for illegal immigration- just setting some facts straight.

That is what Newt is counting on...people forgetting and being simply dumb.

yes...

We did it TWICE with dubya.

Newter wants in on it too...

Yes you are as stupid as your posts

Why the ire whuck?

Truth hurts?

please show me the paperwork proving they applied in the first place. how can they re-apply when they never applied in the first place. if the election boards in every state actually had a process preventing election fraud the candidates wouldn't be pandering to the illegal vote-----all they need to register is some piece of paper with an address. my brother--- an over-enthusiastic dem supporter used to vote several times in the same election. no one ever questioned him. many who post here don't believe illegals vote--they vote and the turn out is well organized by those who control and benefit from their vote.

Didnt you hear Nein, Nein, Nein say God told him to run for president.

Thank goodness I missed that. Did he REALLY say that? More importantly, did God tell him he would win the election?

"""Gingrich and his wife are scheduled to sign books Saturday morning in Naples.""

^ Honestly, if you're GOP, don't you just want to throw up after every GOP "debate"?

No, I just wonder why it seems all the possibly good candidates get passed over. I don't like Newt-hypocrite, I dont like Romney-He really can flip pretty, I am mad at Perry- Hello, need border Fence you twit, Bachmann scares me- smiles too big and she was REALLY for torture techniques, Cain is either a really bad guy or very hated by rumor-mills, I dont trust Hunstman- he has ties to china and they are not being very good allies right now and he wants to strengthen our ties with them, and the S Guy I am not impressed with. But I do like Paul! Call me crazy but I like the old Fart!!

I don't know about the repubs but I feel nauseated after each and every debate. If this bunch of hacks is the best they can come up with, they seriously need to rethink some things. Romney-changes his position to suit the polls; Cain-I'm surprised he can remember his own name. Can anyone seriously picture this man representing the country? Dealing with fellow presidents and dignitaries? Gingrich-his political style is passe, it's a far different world than the one he sees in his mind. Ron Paul- some of what he proposes is sound but some of it is umm, not so much plus he has never had the numbers needed for the GOP nomination let alone being elected president. Perry-he seems to be his own worst enemy and he sounds too much like Dubya (ugh!). The rest of the bunch is just exactly that. Bachmann, Santorum.....IDIOTS!!! Huntsman-I sometimes forget he is even in the running.

True about Pauls inability to get the votes, but Maybe the old fart is what we need bc he comes from a time when you had to WORK to get somewhere. I think thats what we may be missing in ALL of the candidates including Obama. I like the repub view of get off your butt and work bc we are not gonna support you unless your disabled enough to be hold ANY job and thats hard to do. There are certain exceptions but I am sick of paying for EBT users who have more kids to get more money. Grrrrr. And the demos just wanna keep them suckling!!! And we are suckling from other nations! There are no politicians who can change it over night but I want one going toward a SMARTER VIEW!!!

To reapply dont you first need to apply--but then maybe newt forgot the fact that words have meaning

Actually he is counting on American voters to be dumb asses, I hope his misestimation of American voters is wrong.

Why is this not enforced?

Answer:

Federal program mis-management;

like so many of our dysfunctional or redundant programs.

We have the best programs available and they have made America the best nation in the world, but we NEED proper and effective management of them to keep them the best, keep them effective, and to keep them (and the country) solvent.

@Forest

If you are inferring that I collapsed your post, I did not. You have every right to your opinion as I do mine. I am not as lame as you. I think the Vine should get rid of that option and let the mods choose. Secondly, you seem to have something going on about slaves and slavery. What's that about Forest? I'm interested to hear your reply to that. Funny, because in addition to being black and a liberal demmie, I also currently live in Florida. I cannot begin to tell you how much last fact grieves me. I'm no cheerleader for Marc Rubio and if the shoe fits and the Constitution were to be amended, then obviously he needs to go too. If I could only find a way to get the thief governor of this state out of office as well! Oh well, Floridiots voted them both in, not my problem. Last time I checked Forest, minor children do belong to their parents. Or do you propose we treat them as adults? Lastly your comment "Did you choose to be born here if we find you are the descendant of slaves brought into this country without proper immigration procedures"......slaves brought into this country without proper immigration procedures???????? Forest are you drunk already? That is so laughable, I am embarrased for you. Don't fret, I'll get over it. Hope you do as well.

Imply. Sandie, the word is imply. You infer from what you hear. An annoyance of mine. You are over the line with Forrest and you owe him an apology. What would cause you to IMPLY that someone is drunk?

Aside from that, you ignored my question: Let me repeat it. You posit that citizenship can be revoked from children "owned" by illegal immigrant parents. The Fourteenth Amendment has what is referred to as a "Citizenship Clause" added after the Civil War to protect blacks from a similar argument made against them having citizenship.

Do you maintain that the 14th Amendment should only apply to blacks? If so, how do you get around the Constitution?

@newday,

Yes, I did ignore your question, you should have taken the hint. My view on the amendment was posted earlier within this forum. Unlike you, I have better things to do than repeat myself. Forest owes me an apology for making the assumption that I collapsed his post and for calling me lame. Whatever. But hey, thanks for the refresher on my use of the word infer! If I could give you a gold star, I would. Feel better? Have a good day.

And there you have it. An objective observer, Sandie will correctly deduce that you are retiring from this post, since you have lost the point.

Here is a little more information for you: Forrest is perfectly aware that one person cannot collapse a post. He made a general comment which you would have understood if you had better comprehension.

There is a COH, which you violated. If I cared about it, I would report it. As it stands, you have simply told us who and what you are.

@newday,

You seem pretty disturbed....by my posts. Why? It is just an opinion, my opinion. I could not care less about you or Forest for that matter. As you do not know me personally, you have no clue as to who I am or what I am about. If I violated a COH, it seems you care enough about it to comment. LOL. I am not "losing" a point as, once again, I am just posting an opinion. What is your problem? Actually, I have an opinion about that as well. It's Saturday, go outside and play with the other kids. Sheesh and pffft.

I guess I did not see your reply here Sandie until after I answered you in the post above. No I am not "drunk" I have not been "drunk" in many, many years, If I ever do post when I am "drunk" you will know it because people used to tell me I would get very argumentative when I was "drunk".