If you commit a murder and evade arrst for 25 years and finally are arrested-you're still guilty or murder. I'm not comparing murder to being an illegal alien, fyi-just used a crime without a statue of limitations for example. Illegal is illegal. And most of these illegal aliens are killing the US economy by riding on all the benfits we allow them to recieve. Ridiculous.
Ship their ass back! Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean it is ok. If you arrive illegally, pregnant or don't get caught for years it is not ok. What are Americans teaching Mexicans about our legal system. Not a chance, ship them back!
Newt is trying hard to get media attention and wants to look as the middle of the road republican candidate for the undecided voters. Did he ever care for the latino vote ? Of course, not. Just like all republicans, they bash the illegal workers who, for the great benefit of US employers, are doing the jobs no other americans want to do. The republicans mistake, is to keep these people's status illegal, rather than granting work permits which would allow collecting fed and state taxes accordingly.
Immigration is supposed to benefit the USA. Taking people that poor would make us more of a refugee camp-- like the muslims in europe and that's a god aweful mess. If they're that poor/unskilled, our only benefit from them is cheap labor (lets be honest about it) therefore you need to start in a seasonal guest worker's program. Lots of countries have them.
Or. Maybe poor people the world over should stop crying and taking lame jobs and riot in the streets and die fighting, it would be better to die standing on both feet then to living on their knees.
A distinction to "amnesty" that Newt raised last night is very important to me, No Citizenship. If your first action when entering the country is to break the law and you continue to break the law via tax evasion, document fraud, etc. you forfeit any right of citizenship, forever.
After we seal the borders, after we impose E-verify and other sensible means to control illegal immigration going forward, I would not oppose some compassion to long standing, employed and otherwise law abiding aliens to some sensible and limited extent.
Then I suggest republicans start embracing amnesty of illegals.
Oh, no, wait, don't do THAT. Hispanics make up the largest minority in the USA. So go ahead, republican conservatives, isolate and marginalize hispanic americans. Make them afraid. Deny them jobs because their skin is brown. Attack their children in our schools. Destroy their families with your hate.
Go ahead, dig your own grave, its OK.
Oh my, it's a "loaded" question!
So what? Here's the only question you need to ask: do you desire to see american children forcibly seperated from their parents?
If your answer is yes, then I submit that you are nothing more than a bigot.
"Oh, oh, I believe we should throw all illegals out, even when their children are americans, but I'm not a bigot."
Sure you aren't.
Save it for those who are stupid enough to believe you.
there already is a path to citizenship. its called 'apply for citizenship'
so if the parents break the laws of the country the children get to retain the benefits of the parents willingness to break the law, no other country allows this in any form
kinda like if the parents rob a bank the kids get to keep the money
Just pass E-Verify, and let them self-deport. Then, they can use the LEGAL process to enter the US. Any amnesty will just cause more of them to cross illegally, and wait for the next one. Jobs is the draw. Take that away by having a strong verification process, and real penalties on employers who skirt the law, and the problem will eventually solve itself.
So the longer you commit a crime and reap the rewards of it at the expense of others, the more "acceptable" and "legitimate" the crime becomes? and therefore you should be rewarded even more at even more cost to your long-time victims?
Liberal fantasy will truly be the end of Western civilization.
As I perused the comments on the left and right of this issue, it occurred to me that the right are that little kid who never wanted to share his toys with others and hoarded all his stuff, fearing that someone would take his childhood dream away. The left are the kids who shared their stuff, realizing that by sharing, the giver and the recipient and the giver would both be enriched. Sad, isn't it. Some kids just never grow up.
you know that street gangs think their street corner is theirs and that other gangs walking through it are illegals too? Just like all the white-English-gangs that took this land from the gang of Natives that was here 1st.
aml1313: Raise the level of your debate and enlighten us as to your solution to the illegal immigrant problem in a nation with too few jobs, too many receiving entitlement $$ and ever increasing taxation on its citizens. Southern border states are concerned about the increasing crime / drug activity. Those Southern state citizens have rights and deserve our nations protection. What are your solutions?
well 1st illegals are not taking jobs anyone wants OR can do. Alabama?! So that is a wash. Too few jobs is because of job being sent to China. So again that has nothing to do with illegals. In fact if we had tons of Chinese illegals we would need to ship our job over to China. LOL. So that too is a wash. Or at lest not the fault of Illegals. Also more people are fighting for jobs. Women, and other minorities that are all US born and schooled are looking for work. There ARE not and will NOT every be enough jobs for ALL the SMART people in this nation. Some you smart people are going to have to accept working at Walmart while the illegals clean the floors. well at least that is how it was in from 87 to 2006. Or send them all back. Because for every one you send back...to Mexico that is a consumer that is GONE. you will actually kill jobs when you get rid of all the Mexicans. Because there is a whole class of people that will not be needed. In fact two middle management jobs will be lost for every 100 Mexicans you deport. And only 25 Americans will be hired for those same 25. So that too is a wash. As far was welfare goes. LOL! seeing how this nation is 400 million strong. and illegals only make up 2 million. I find it silly that you bring that up. even if you said 50% of the nation was out of work. You couldn't say that that it was ALL illegal that was out of work and on welfare. OccupyWallStreet is most white. and mostly out of work. So don't blame illegals for joblessness or welfare. And illegals don't vote. So if anyone is giving them YOUR money, its the old white ladies that vote. Because illegals and blacks and browns don't vote much. NEXT. The only reason their is drug crime is because silly USA wants to baby people. REALLY. Just like women wanted to baby men and take booze away from them. LOOK how smart that was. End the war on drugs with you votes. and it will put Mexican drug lords and drug dealing non-white Americans out of the dope biz. so that too is not the fault of the illegals. Now lastly yes border protection is a nice idea. But look at the great WALL of china and use your $$$ schooling to know that that is silly. Now for my solutions?!? 1st make it a aggravated capitol offence to be an illegal. 2nd offer temp amnesty to all illegals here before 1999. 3rd. lower min' wage, but make it graduated. with it going up every six months till its 10.00. 4th. all illegals with temp amnesty must be working and their wages are dozen at the 1st marker till they are given a Green Card. 5th ANY foreign national still living in the county of origin, can buy a Green Card on a sliding scale but will be on the 1st tear of min' wage for 8 years, regardless of skill. And they must not be wanted or convicted of any crime in the whole of the world to buy one of our Green Cards. Next, set life time limits on welfare and let people choose to take a lump sum payment of less amount, but this is only for people that are at lest 3rd gen' American. End all loop polls that let rich not pay taxes. end tax abatement's the nation over for businesses that don't have a staff of at least 75% Americans. Next. Deport any illegal that commits any crime, ASAP after conviction. End Food Stamps. Tax the hell out of unhealthy for and use that money to lower the cost of healthy needful whole FOOD staples like VEGGIES and LEAN meat. so that anyone with even the smallest monies can feed them self. Tax the hell of the DOPE and BOOZE and XXX and strippers and what not and use that money to fund health care. Have all medical OP's be sold on a sliding scale. Have all apartments lease on a sliding scale. Sale college on a sliding scale and have open admissions. fund ALL public schools fully and fire all bad teachers and hire much better ones, and make sure they dont hate kids and that they dont want to sex them. Have China buy all our debt and forgive it in exchange for letting them have there way in ASIA. bring all troops the world over back home. Tighten the borders and our waters and our air. Get rid of the DEA, and the ATF. Work toward have a nation of people that know how to use fire arms. and that are not using to kill each other in an illegal manner. Fix all of our infrastructure. Up the gas tax. But give part of it back at income tax time, but only for the poor and small companies that hire American. Change are banking system to be more like the old Swiss way of Banking. Bring back the Estate TAX and make it 60%. make all people making more than 10.00 hour pay into SS, Medicare. at a fixed %. End most deductions that rich people use to avoid funding the very nation that lets them earn so much money. End sending people to prison if the crime was not violent. they should be on house arrest and the amount of time they get should be 4 times as long. that way they can work and pay in money for their crime. Execute ALL the people on death row that have no more appeals today. HIRE tons more guards and make all prisons violence FREE and lower the amount of people sent their in the 1st place. Hire tons more prole officers and CPS. HIRE tons more teachers. get class sizes down to 10. Hire tons more FDA. Tons more EPA. End the need to have a script for most meds and drugs. legalize most dope. but make the age of legal use 30. and that goes for smoking and booze. End all discriminatory practices in hiring, firing, housing, that happen to women, gays, blacks, browns, the old, and the handicapped. Make the american with disabilities act stronger. but get rid of the handicapped parking BS. YES their car should fit in the space but it does not have to be closer and it does not have to be protected. LOL. thats just me. CAP all wages on the rich at 10 million a year. and that should fix all of this. . .
Not that I like Newt- I despise him for cheating on his own wife while running down Clinton for the same thing- but I'm in total agreement with this particular idea.
The person described is a model citizen by any definition but an accident of birth. If we deport those who have obeyed all other laws while engaging in the community, tax base and even the church to the extent described, perhaps we should consider other draconian measures equally devoid of sanity and justice.
Let's create a new category of crimes committed against the state.
It'll rank above above "felony" as felony ranks above misdemeanor.
Let's start with "for-hire" politicians, judges who take bribes, and the rich lobbyists and magnates who buy them positions of authority.
Anyone convicted loses their citizenship.
Then we sell them off as slaves to die in Chinese factories- in order to help balance the trade deficit their policies helped to create.
We're already throwing the baby out with the bathwater- let's throw the basin of ethics out as well. After all, we won't be needing it, will we?
Right, wrong, or indifferent - Newt took a stance. When everyone else Republican or Democrat runs away from he subject - Newt took a stance.
Agree or disagree but you have to give the man credit for speaking his piece and standing his ground. Maybe some of these Republican "experts" in the article should back off of Newt and give him the respect he deserves.
They already HAVE a pathway to citizenship! Let them study to become citizens, learn to speak the language, SWEAR ALLEGIANCE to the United States of America and get a job! That has ALWAYS been there, but many do not even try! If they are not willing to swear allegiance and learn the language, put them on the bus home until they decide to do that!
Should bank robbers and child abusers be allowed to remain free if they've been living quietly on the lam for many years in the United States? NO!! Because they're criminals, just like illegal aliens.
Would our justice system care if a bank robber gets separated from his/her child when he/she is sent to jail? NO!! American citizens who commit crimes are sent to jail every day and are separated from their children. It shouldn't be any different for someone who breaks the law by entering our nation illegally. We've got a real double standard in this country that stinks to high heaven!
should a nation built on the blood of natives and slave be allowed to keep hurting non-white people the world over? its just a question, that you remark bring to mind. GO USA!
If you commit a murder and evade arrst for 25 years and finally are arrested-you're still guilty or murder. I'm not comparing murder to being an illegal alien, fyi-just used a crime without a statue of limitations for example. Illegal is illegal. And most of these illegal aliens are killing the US economy by riding on all the benfits we allow them to recieve. Ridiculous.
why does every one think illegals get benefits? they don't.
Your ignorance is bliss, I guess...
i live in San Antonio TEXAS. tons of illegals and legals. and Mexican Americans. you can't get nothing if your illegal.
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Ship their ass back! Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean it is ok. If you arrive illegally, pregnant or don't get caught for years it is not ok. What are Americans teaching Mexicans about our legal system. Not a chance, ship them back!
the natives should have shipped all the Spanish and English back TOO!
Newt is trying hard to get media attention and wants to look as the middle of the road republican candidate for the undecided voters. Did he ever care for the latino vote ? Of course, not. Just like all republicans, they bash the illegal workers who, for the great benefit of US employers, are doing the jobs no other americans want to do. The republicans mistake, is to keep these people's status illegal, rather than granting work permits which would allow collecting fed and state taxes accordingly.
The question used in this poll is too ambiguous for a yes or no vote.
You could vote YES, if you believed the "pathway" was amnesty for living here so long,....
or you could also vote YES, if you believed the "pathway" was sending them back across the border to get in line for "legal" citizenship.
So in this case NO, just means they'll always be "illegal" and you really don't care.
Immigration is supposed to benefit the USA. Taking people that poor would make us more of a refugee camp-- like the muslims in europe and that's a god aweful mess. If they're that poor/unskilled, our only benefit from them is cheap labor (lets be honest about it) therefore you need to start in a seasonal guest worker's program. Lots of countries have them.
Or. Maybe poor people the world over should stop crying and taking lame jobs and riot in the streets and die fighting, it would be better to die standing on both feet then to living on their knees.
A distinction to "amnesty" that Newt raised last night is very important to me, No Citizenship. If your first action when entering the country is to break the law and you continue to break the law via tax evasion, document fraud, etc. you forfeit any right of citizenship, forever.
After we seal the borders, after we impose E-verify and other sensible means to control illegal immigration going forward, I would not oppose some compassion to long standing, employed and otherwise law abiding aliens to some sensible and limited extent.
NO. I think all for foreign nationals and their off spring and all over their blood line need to leave. starting with the Spanish And English.
you know Hitler hated illegals too. and he had a plan for them too. he deported them 1s to ghettos, then camps, then ovens.
The democrats want the hispanic vote?
Then I suggest republicans start embracing amnesty of illegals.
Oh, no, wait, don't do THAT. Hispanics make up the largest minority in the USA. So go ahead, republican conservatives, isolate and marginalize hispanic americans. Make them afraid. Deny them jobs because their skin is brown. Attack their children in our schools. Destroy their families with your hate.
Go ahead, dig your own grave, its OK.
Oh my, it's a "loaded" question!
So what? Here's the only question you need to ask: do you desire to see american children forcibly seperated from their parents?
If your answer is yes, then I submit that you are nothing more than a bigot.
"Oh, oh, I believe we should throw all illegals out, even when their children are americans, but I'm not a bigot."
Sure you aren't.
Save it for those who are stupid enough to believe you.
there already is a path to citizenship. its called 'apply for citizenship'
so if the parents break the laws of the country the children get to retain the benefits of the parents willingness to break the law, no other country allows this in any form
kinda like if the parents rob a bank the kids get to keep the money
I can't believe I agree with Newt on something. It looks like the doctor left a bit of Newt's brain intact when he did the labotomy.
Just pass E-Verify, and let them self-deport. Then, they can use the LEGAL process to enter the US. Any amnesty will just cause more of them to cross illegally, and wait for the next one. Jobs is the draw. Take that away by having a strong verification process, and real penalties on employers who skirt the law, and the problem will eventually solve itself.
So the longer you commit a crime and reap the rewards of it at the expense of others, the more "acceptable" and "legitimate" the crime becomes? and therefore you should be rewarded even more at even more cost to your long-time victims?
Liberal fantasy will truly be the end of Western civilization.
How long does it take the rest of you here to load these ad-filled MSNBC pages? Me, about 30 seconds, on a recent model computer. Nonsense.
As I perused the comments on the left and right of this issue, it occurred to me that the right are that little kid who never wanted to share his toys with others and hoarded all his stuff, fearing that someone would take his childhood dream away. The left are the kids who shared their stuff, realizing that by sharing, the giver and the recipient and the giver would both be enriched. Sad, isn't it. Some kids just never grow up.
you know that street gangs think their street corner is theirs and that other gangs walking through it are illegals too? Just like all the white-English-gangs that took this land from the gang of Natives that was here 1st.
aml1313: Raise the level of your debate and enlighten us as to your solution to the illegal immigrant problem in a nation with too few jobs, too many receiving entitlement $$ and ever increasing taxation on its citizens. Southern border states are concerned about the increasing crime / drug activity. Those Southern state citizens have rights and deserve our nations protection. What are your solutions?
well 1st illegals are not taking jobs anyone wants OR can do. Alabama?! So that is a wash. Too few jobs is because of job being sent to China. So again that has nothing to do with illegals. In fact if we had tons of Chinese illegals we would need to ship our job over to China. LOL. So that too is a wash. Or at lest not the fault of Illegals. Also more people are fighting for jobs. Women, and other minorities that are all US born and schooled are looking for work. There ARE not and will NOT every be enough jobs for ALL the SMART people in this nation. Some you smart people are going to have to accept working at Walmart while the illegals clean the floors. well at least that is how it was in from 87 to 2006. Or send them all back. Because for every one you send back...to Mexico that is a consumer that is GONE. you will actually kill jobs when you get rid of all the Mexicans. Because there is a whole class of people that will not be needed. In fact two middle management jobs will be lost for every 100 Mexicans you deport. And only 25 Americans will be hired for those same 25. So that too is a wash. As far was welfare goes. LOL! seeing how this nation is 400 million strong. and illegals only make up 2 million. I find it silly that you bring that up. even if you said 50% of the nation was out of work. You couldn't say that that it was ALL illegal that was out of work and on welfare. OccupyWallStreet is most white. and mostly out of work. So don't blame illegals for joblessness or welfare. And illegals don't vote. So if anyone is giving them YOUR money, its the old white ladies that vote. Because illegals and blacks and browns don't vote much. NEXT. The only reason their is drug crime is because silly USA wants to baby people. REALLY. Just like women wanted to baby men and take booze away from them. LOOK how smart that was. End the war on drugs with you votes. and it will put Mexican drug lords and drug dealing non-white Americans out of the dope biz. so that too is not the fault of the illegals. Now lastly yes border protection is a nice idea. But look at the great WALL of china and use your $$$ schooling to know that that is silly. Now for my solutions?!? 1st make it a aggravated capitol offence to be an illegal. 2nd offer temp amnesty to all illegals here before 1999. 3rd. lower min' wage, but make it graduated. with it going up every six months till its 10.00. 4th. all illegals with temp amnesty must be working and their wages are dozen at the 1st marker till they are given a Green Card. 5th ANY foreign national still living in the county of origin, can buy a Green Card on a sliding scale but will be on the 1st tear of min' wage for 8 years, regardless of skill. And they must not be wanted or convicted of any crime in the whole of the world to buy one of our Green Cards. Next, set life time limits on welfare and let people choose to take a lump sum payment of less amount, but this is only for people that are at lest 3rd gen' American. End all loop polls that let rich not pay taxes. end tax abatement's the nation over for businesses that don't have a staff of at least 75% Americans. Next. Deport any illegal that commits any crime, ASAP after conviction. End Food Stamps. Tax the hell out of unhealthy for and use that money to lower the cost of healthy needful whole FOOD staples like VEGGIES and LEAN meat. so that anyone with even the smallest monies can feed them self. Tax the hell of the DOPE and BOOZE and XXX and strippers and what not and use that money to fund health care. Have all medical OP's be sold on a sliding scale. Have all apartments lease on a sliding scale. Sale college on a sliding scale and have open admissions. fund ALL public schools fully and fire all bad teachers and hire much better ones, and make sure they dont hate kids and that they dont want to sex them. Have China buy all our debt and forgive it in exchange for letting them have there way in ASIA. bring all troops the world over back home. Tighten the borders and our waters and our air. Get rid of the DEA, and the ATF. Work toward have a nation of people that know how to use fire arms. and that are not using to kill each other in an illegal manner. Fix all of our infrastructure. Up the gas tax. But give part of it back at income tax time, but only for the poor and small companies that hire American. Change are banking system to be more like the old Swiss way of Banking. Bring back the Estate TAX and make it 60%. make all people making more than 10.00 hour pay into SS, Medicare. at a fixed %. End most deductions that rich people use to avoid funding the very nation that lets them earn so much money. End sending people to prison if the crime was not violent. they should be on house arrest and the amount of time they get should be 4 times as long. that way they can work and pay in money for their crime. Execute ALL the people on death row that have no more appeals today. HIRE tons more guards and make all prisons violence FREE and lower the amount of people sent their in the 1st place. Hire tons more prole officers and CPS. HIRE tons more teachers. get class sizes down to 10. Hire tons more FDA. Tons more EPA. End the need to have a script for most meds and drugs. legalize most dope. but make the age of legal use 30. and that goes for smoking and booze. End all discriminatory practices in hiring, firing, housing, that happen to women, gays, blacks, browns, the old, and the handicapped. Make the american with disabilities act stronger. but get rid of the handicapped parking BS. YES their car should fit in the space but it does not have to be closer and it does not have to be protected. LOL. thats just me. CAP all wages on the rich at 10 million a year. and that should fix all of this. . .
Not that I like Newt- I despise him for cheating on his own wife while running down Clinton for the same thing- but I'm in total agreement with this particular idea.
The person described is a model citizen by any definition but an accident of birth. If we deport those who have obeyed all other laws while engaging in the community, tax base and even the church to the extent described, perhaps we should consider other draconian measures equally devoid of sanity and justice.
Let's create a new category of crimes committed against the state.
It'll rank above above "felony" as felony ranks above misdemeanor.
Let's start with "for-hire" politicians, judges who take bribes, and the rich lobbyists and magnates who buy them positions of authority.
Anyone convicted loses their citizenship.
Then we sell them off as slaves to die in Chinese factories- in order to help balance the trade deficit their policies helped to create.
We're already throwing the baby out with the bathwater- let's throw the basin of ethics out as well. After all, we won't be needing it, will we?
Right, wrong, or indifferent - Newt took a stance. When everyone else Republican or Democrat runs away from he subject - Newt took a stance.
Agree or disagree but you have to give the man credit for speaking his piece and standing his ground. Maybe some of these Republican "experts" in the article should back off of Newt and give him the respect he deserves.
They already HAVE a pathway to citizenship! Let them study to become citizens, learn to speak the language, SWEAR ALLEGIANCE to the United States of America and get a job! That has ALWAYS been there, but many do not even try! If they are not willing to swear allegiance and learn the language, put them on the bus home until they decide to do that!
Should bank robbers and child abusers be allowed to remain free if they've been living quietly on the lam for many years in the United States? NO!! Because they're criminals, just like illegal aliens.
Would our justice system care if a bank robber gets separated from his/her child when he/she is sent to jail? NO!! American citizens who commit crimes are sent to jail every day and are separated from their children. It shouldn't be any different for someone who breaks the law by entering our nation illegally. We've got a real double standard in this country that stinks to high heaven!
No they should serve their time.
So, the road to legal status should not be easy...but should be allowed.
And it should be a one time offer. Then no more!!!
should a nation built on the blood of natives and slave be allowed to keep hurting non-white people the world over? its just a question, that you remark bring to mind. GO USA!