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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich acknowledged an extended consulting relationship with mortgage giant Freddie Mac, though he said he couldn't verify just how much he or his firm received in fees. NBC's Andrea Mitchell has more.
URBANDALE, Iowa -- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich acknowledged an extended consulting relationship with mortgage giant Freddie Mac, though he said he couldn't verify just how much he or his firm received in fees.
Gingrich denied having lobbied on behalf of the mortgage giant, but said his staff was looking into a Bloomberg News report that said Gingrich "made between $1.6 and $1.8 million in consulting fees" in his work for Freddie Mac between 1999 and 2008.
Gingrich said that his staff was poring through records, which he suggested they might make public, to calculate the exact amount of money paid by Freddie Mac for Gingrich's services.
"All I can tell you is that Gingrich Group was paid in the amount, I don't know what the amount is," Gingrich said at an energy forum sponsored by Politico in Des Moines.
Gingrich said at a separate event in Urbandale that not all of the money had been paid to him; his firm, Gingrich Group, received some of the consulting fees.
"I offered strategic advice over a long period of time," the former Speaker said in Urbandale. He also confirmed that he had only consulted for Freddie, and had never worked with Fannie Mae, the other troubled lender.
If accurate, the Bloomberg story would suggest that Gingrich received much more than was originally thought, and for a more extended period of time. Gingrich was asked about his work for Freddie in 2006 -- for which he earned $300,000 -- at a debate last week in Michigan. He said it was for consulting in his capacity as a historian, and Gingrich denied having been employed as a lobbyist.
Alex Moe/NBC News
Newt Gingrich before speaking at The Machine Shed in Urbandale, Iowa Wednesday morning.
"I have never done any lobbying. Every contract was written during the period when I was out of the office, specifically said I would do no lobbying, and I offered advice," he said at the debate, which was hosted by CNBC.
It was a sentiment Gingrich's spokesman, R.C. Hammond, reiterated on Wednesday.
"The Gingrich Group provided consulting for Freddie – there were a series of contracts. He provided strategic advice … he would meet with them on a monthly basis about problems an he would come back to them about solutions. He never lobbied. He never directly contacted lawmakers on their behalf," Hammond told NBC News.
Hammond said that the campaign will release a list of clients the Gingrich Group had maintained, along with how much each company paid for the firm's services. The campaign will also report the annual revenue of the Gingrich Group.
Gingrich also said at that debate that he warned that the subprime mortgage practices that Freddie and its counterpart, Fannie, were helping support were leading to a housing bubble. Both companies are now under the conservatorship of the federal government, a practice which has drawn the ire of conservatives who charge the government with propping up failed companies at taxpayer expense.
The Bloomberg story said that Gingrich's initial contract with Freddie Mac started in 1999, shortly after he resigned both the Speakership and his seat in Congress. Gingrich's work was meant to encourage homeownership.
Gingrich said he favored expanded housing, but only in a responsible way (i.e., not through methods pursued by Fannie and Freddie during the 2000s).
"I favor people who need help getting housing if it's done in a prudent way. That's public record. I give speeches all over about that," the former Speaker said in Des Moines.
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Wouldn't it just suck for the righties to have to admit that their current front runner is partially to 'blame' for the mortgage meltdown crisis?
Nahh,...they'll just deny it and walk away from it, who am I kidding?
With 'advice' like that, who needs 'experts'?
Can't or won't?
This is the best LIE he could come up with? BWHAHAHAHAHA!
Get out your 'silver spoons', someone left the Schweddy Balls out in the sun! ;o)
He should just ask Tiffany's how much money he got paid.
Clara, the righties will do what they always do, blame it on the poor who should have known how to read the legalese of their adjustable rate ripoff mortgages.
This post and attached referenced article should be required reading on this topic, Thanks Anna Molly:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/16/8836806-first-thoughts-adding-up-the-gaffes#c59975020
Waves at Feisty, Hey GF,...what's up?
So much money he made he can't even say how much.........may be Tiffany should help out here. This is a self imposed "oops" moment.
Can he say how much he netted from book sales last quarter?
Bet he can.
Why would any one vote for someone that can't remember anything. The tea people republicans are the most forgetful bunch in American history. Their answer to everything is I don't remember.
oops
OF COURSE he was paid as a historian.
He's so good at reinventing it.
The spokes person from Fanny Mae said they were collecting politicians ...so he was bought and paid for ! Remember he got us to this point of failed mortgages !
*waves back @ Clara*
Good to see ya GF! ;o)
What continually amazes me are the apologists for these a$$holes!
The're being hand fed bullsh!t and asking for seconds!
Lookie here, you left wing toads. Just because the esteemed former Speaker - Mr. Newt Gingrich - cannot tell you from where and how much income his company "earns" from its clients does not mean he cannot run a country with a budget that is a mere million times larger than his company.
Mr. Gingrich has impressive qualifications. He holds a degree in history and he runs a small business. Simply because he does not know the history of his small business does not mean he is unqualified to run the United States.
In fact, if you BUY and read his book, God Was Kidding About Most of the Commandments, it will become readily apparent that he is the perfect Republican candidate for President of the United States.
touche, brother david, touche!
If Newtie did anything wrong, it is Obama's fault.
This guy is SO tiresome.
In the first place, I've known smarter men than Newt Gingrich, including one or two I have met through the Internet, but you'll never get Newt to believe that there was EVER anyone smarter than he is.
In the second place, pseudo-genius aside, he is THE most sarcastic, pompous, self-absorbed, condescending, and yet totally oblivious candidate I have EVER seen.
In the third place, he obfuscates and he lies. Not the least of his lies is about his lobbying ties to Freddie Mac.
And finally, his evasive debate performance the other night where he used up all his time complaining about how he didn't have enough time to answer the questions was NOT lost on some of us, although others seem to keep missing the point.
He might beat up President Obama in a debate -- in his own mind, at least.
But not for real.
I hope -- I think -- well, okay, I know -- that David is kidding.
David is one of them smarter guys, by the way.
David Walker:
Simply because he does not know the history of his small business does not mean he is unqualified to run the United States.
Prior to this story breaking, it was very clear that he wasn't even qualified to run for president of the United States. This story cements that he is not even qualified to run a small business. My parents run a small pet store in Iowa. If they didn't know the history of their business, they would be out of business. Shaking my head...
Gingrich, how does it feel to know you were bought by Freddie Mac. I hope you wear your rolex with pride knowing you sold out the very people you were supposed to represent.
Freddie should get its money back. Bad advise from another greedy self serving incompetent.
this is all a lie..
"Former Freddie Mac officials familiar with his work in 2006 say Gingrich was asked to build bridges to Capitol Hill Republicans and develop an argument on behalf of the company's public-private structure that would resonate with conservatives seeking to dismantle it.
He was expected to provide written material that could be circulated among free-market conservatives in Congress and in outside organizations, said two former company executives familiar with Gingrich's role at the firm. He didn't produce a white paper or any other document the firm could use on its behalf, they said."
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Gingrich's second contract with Freddie Mac was a two-year retainer for which he was paid a total of $600,000, said two people familiar with the agreement.
What he did for the money is a subject of disagreement. Gingrich said during the CNBC debate that he advised the troubled firm as a "historian." Gingrich said he warned that the company's business model was a "bubble" and its lending practices were "insane."
None of the former Freddie Mac officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said Gingrich raised the issue of the housing bubble or was critical of Freddie Mac's business model.
"We dispute your sources' account," said R.C. Hammond, a Gingrich campaign spokesman.
A Freddie Mac spokesman declined to comment on the Gingrich contracts.
Building Bridges
Former Freddie Mac officials familiar with his work in 2006 say Gingrich was asked to build bridges to Capitol Hill Republicans and develop an argument on behalf of the company's public-private structure that would resonate with conservatives seeking to dismantle it."
read the investigation: money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=BLOOM&date=20111116&id=14533866
Hey Brainiac, Have a little talk with "BARNEY FRANKENWEINER the DEMOCRAP" about the motgage mess, he even admitted to mostly being responsible for so much of it but as usual just a small article from the libertard media about it anyway since the idiot left had a whole lot more to do with it than the rethugs. Gues who the majority was when this crap was going down DEMOCRAP MORONS again. Own up to your own partys stupidity. Long time rethugs are just as bad but did not have the majority. And by the way, NEWT would SUCK as prez anyway but still be ten times better than that arrogant lying clown OJACKA$$ you democraps (lemmings) slobber all over anyway.
@ Al in Viscalia: If a person can't understand a contract that they need to sign don't you think they should have asked questions? Why on Earth would somebody get a variable rate mortgage to begin with?That's just plain stupidity.
I apologize for doing Newt an injustice. This isn't like me a bit.
I left out hypocritical. :-(
But you know, it just occurred to me.
The MSM isn't having much luck with Newt Gingrich.
Maybe Bob Costas could give it a try.
He seems to know exactly how to question delusional men.
@CPAUL -- See my post on First Thoughts, containing a link to an article published at the end of 2008 that says pretty much the same thing you are saying. He, along with several other "distinguished" conservatives, were hired specifically to help Freddie Mac convince conservatives on the Hill to vote against Chuck Hagel's legislation.
Which they did.
He's lying.
Who is the dumb one here, Gingrich for getting paid a large sum of money for his consulting services or the firm for paying the large sum? I don't think any one of us would turn down a huge pay-day if it were legally offered. Am I correct?
Funny, but while Fannie and Freddie were loading up on subprime mortgages which everybody in the industry knew were garbage loans, rated tripe A, I don't recall anybody with the name Gingrich raising his voice about the corruption.
What I do recall is a lot of loyal Republicans claiming that the real estate boom was being caused by lower taxes for the wealthy when the reality is that there was an unlimited amount of easily borrowed money chasing a limitted amount of real estate. Economics 101 taught in middle school that went over the heads of these multi-million dollar consultants.
Well, apparently he didn't account for that money on his income tax return because if he did he would know EXACTLY how much he got in gross figures, AND in net figures.
This more like a case of "wait until I see what kind of lie I can come up with" moment.
Anna Molly blatthered- "In the second place, pseudo-genius aside, he is THE most sarcastic, pompous, self-absorbed, condescending, and yet totally oblivious candidate I have EVER seen."
I think you just described the our current president. So whats the diff?
and he said he was not a lobbyist !!!
"Gingrich was asked to build bridges to Capitol Hill Republicans and develop an argument on behalf of the company's public-private structure that would resonate with conservatives seeking to dismantle it."
"He was expected to provide written material that could be circulated among free-market conservatives in Congress and in outside organizations, said two former company executives familiar with Gingrich's role at the firm. He didn't produce a white paper or any other document the firm could use on its behalf, they said."
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During that period, Gingrich consulted with Freddie Mac executives on a program to expand home ownership, an idea Delk said he pitched to President George W. Bush’s White House.
“I spent about three hours with him talking about the substance of the issues and the politics of the issues, and he really got it,” said Delk, adding that the two discussed “what the benefits are to communities, what the benefits could be for Republicans and particularly their relationship with Hispanics.”"
what do you call that then??
Anna -- Newt will lose his temper shortly. Too many asking real questions. David always makes me laugh, his irony is priceless. ; )
TO: David Walker who wrote:
No, it means he's corrupt. Teabagging Republicans CAN'T POSSIBLY mean that, after 3 years of blaming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for the United States' Economic Meltdown so that no Republicans would have to take the responsibility, NOW they find out that it WAS a freaking Republican who was advising Freddie Mac, and DECIDE TO NOMINATE, FOR POTUS, ONE OF THE VERY PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for the failure and devastation of the entire United States Economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know how much more stupid some stupid folks can get, but I'm afraid we're going to be forced to find out.
Nevada-Brett: I would love to be a millionaire, who wouldn't? However, just because something is legal doesn't mean its ethical. I don't know about anyone else, but if was Speaker of The House, and I knew that Freedie Mac was making garbage loans, these loans fall like a deck of cards, and hurt average everyday americans, I sure as H*LL would not take some kick back and call it a consulting fee. I was raised better than that.
Another lame attempt by the White House and Mr. Obama's "community organizer" Chicago political team to "dig up" something/anything on a Presidential contender.
It is time to revisit Mr. Obama's friends: Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadette Peters, Acorn, SEIU, AFL-CIO, and a host of other dysfunctional anti-American "activists".
Sad state of affairs when Mr. Obama supports ANY legislation which directly benefits his "special interest" groups and NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Al in Viscalia: Are you actually saying that you didn't read your mortgage before you signed it? Wow, it would really be impressive admitting that you'd do something that dumb.
He has such a problem remembering money things not to mention who's bed he's been sharing or is he on a short chain now.
Any one that is blaming the "righties" or the "lefties" is so brainwashed and misinformed. You are only seeing one side of the big picture. As long as Americans keep fighting with other Americans about which side is correct - this country will remain in shambles.
He calls it not lobbying.
And he's lying, as you know, and what's worse, he's counting on being able to fool a LOT of people.
The lying is on him; the fooling is on everyone who believes him.
Besides, if pressed, he would probably say, just like he said about Bill Clinton ... do as I say, not as I do.
That's where his total obliviousness takes over.
@ DCIA -- I sure hope so. Because he's making me lose MY temper. Thank heaven for David's irony. At least I got one good giggle out of this.
ARGHHHH. ;-)
The left has to resort to character assassinations of the GOP front runners rather than run on their party's accomplishments. So what if Newt was hired as a consultant and received payment for his services? That is not nearly as bad as what Barney Frank and Christopher "Countrywide" Dodd's involvement in the economic crash. Not only did they avoid incarceration,benefit financially, they also had increased involvement in subsequent Financial legislation. Talk about getting rewarded for bad behavior.
TO: Nevada-Brett who wrote:
Brett, the point here is, these are the folks that Republicans have been saying for the past 3 years are the ones responsible for the Financial Meltdown of the entire United States of America, while they tried to imply that Republicans were not Responsibile.
Democrats said Republicans were responsible, and as it turns out BOTH Freddie Mac AND the Republicans were in charge of the biggest failure of judgment in the history of this country which let to the financial collapse of our entire economy, the loss of millions of our jobs, and friggin Republican Newt Gingrich was right in the middle of creating the 2nd Great Depression!
Now, after devastating the United States Economy and the American People in the worst manner possible, loss of our homes and our jobs, Newt and the Republicans was to nominate him for POTUS!
This is a complete failure of judgment on the part of Republicans.
Even if you are, it's totally irrelevant to any point being made here.
What Newt has done here is LIE about his activities because he knows that if people realize that he was really a CHEERLEADER for Freddie Mac, rather than a CRITIC of Freddie Mac, as he claimed during the debate, then he is toast.
Or should be, at least to people who spend any part of their day thinking.
Mr. Moe, come on, give credit where credit is due! You're totally selling the Clinton administration short by saying "methods pursued by Fannie and Freddie during the 2000s".
Table 8 of this Fannie Mae report (Listokin and Wyly) from 2000 shows what kind of underwriting Fannie and Freddie were promoting in the mid-to-late '90s. It is virtually a point by point list of the most egregious underwriting "standards" that have been documented and they were in full use and actively advanced by Fannie/Freddie by - at latest - 1998. http://foundingbloggers.com/img/grabs/rep_newmortmkts_background.pdf.
Fannie and Freddie were using these grossly inadequate underwriting standards even before the 2000s in an attempt to comply with mandates dictated by Clinton's HUD in 1995 which effectively forced 1 in 3 home loans in the US to be made to high risk applicants and 1 in 6 to very high risk applicants in the name of "affordable housing".
You know....just so we're clear and everybody gets the credit they deserve.
As usual the Democrats are out regurgitating the Liberal Media's talking points. Many of you Democrats like to brag so much about how much of a surplus that President Clinton had in his Administration. Once again most don't realize that the President does not control spending. How short your memories are. It was Newt and the Freshman Congress of 1994 that balanced the budget and yes they had to take extreme measures to get President Clinton to sign on. It was not Clinton who gave us the surplus. It was the leadership of the Speaker of the House and Congress. Which BTW was Republican controlled.
I can't believe you can even defend anything that this President has done or not done. Obama has done nothing but place blame on Bush and now him and his lap dog liberal media are doing the same thing. I see they have their bloggers out in force. At least Newt held a job and did run a business, more than I can say for your choice of President. A community antagonizer. Never held a job, never balanced the company books. Oh BTW supposedly the most transparent Presidency ever. That is why all these back room dealings have been going on. I love how the press always uses other stories to take the focus off the Administration and its refusal to cooperate with Congressional investigation.
Seems to me that this is the pot calling the kettle black. At least Newt knows what our Founding Fathers did and still believes in the Constitution which your President has seemed to ignore with all his executive appointed czars. Sad when you can brag that the government is out hiring the private sector. Something seriously wrong here. Yet hey its your guy Obama and he can't do any wrong. NOT!
I suppose Gingrich had to work somewhere after he left congress. Where do other ex-congressmen work? (are Bill Clinton and George Bush still working?)
bscol - major ups!
Right now, those advocating and end to politics as usual seem to be a minority, but there are a lot of former Dems (and/or their spouses, kids, etc) in K-Street. How-ever, the Reps have the edge on this, good ol' free-market being what it is.
Newt has proved himself morally decadent on any an occasion. why would anyone want to vote for him, especially for the WH?
Just being a consultant implies culpability for the meltdown of these entities? Only those crippled by their warped ideology can make such a leap.
Anyway, this (1.6 or 1.8 million) was over a nine year period, which comes out to $200k a year, and is a mere pittance when compared to the extremely generous bonuses the Fannie/Freddie bunch award themselves on a yearly basis despite being handed over 160 billion of the taxpayers money, and still wanting more.
You're right Sword. Clinton got the credit for the budget surplus, but many democrats fail to give credit where it was due. Newt had alot to do with the success in the 90's.
Newt is a historian who believes in the constitution and the vision our founding fathers had for this country. After seeing all the occupy people trashing that vision, I'm not suprised that they hate Newt so much. Afterall, they see him as a threat to their communist/socialist way of life.
LOL -- He tends to do that to me Anna!
@Toxic -- Newt was Speaker for 2 years during Clinton's term if I'm not mistaken. And you spell a lot not alot..... not being snarky just helpful.
What is the difference between a Newt and a Newt?
One is a slimey, bottom feeding, toadlike creature, that will eat its young before they hatch. The other is a salamander.
Kind of like when Obama insists he doesn't take money from lobbyist, right? Sure Obama -- like Gingrich -- can say it and technically not be lying, but really???
It totally makes my day to hear a Democrat use the word "morals"!
And all wet, you certainly are.
Conservatives are the ones who are trying to blame it all on Freddie and Fannie. And NEWT is the one trying to say he's not culpable; NEWT is the one who denied that he lobbied for them; HE'S the one who claimed he gave them advice they didn't take ... when the REAL TRUTH is that he was one of their CHEERLEADERS.
In short, and listen carefully, because here comes the relevant point .. again.
NEWT LIED ABOUT HIS ROLE with regard to Freddie. He WAS in fact, part of the problem.
That is SO lame, why did you even bother? Is it because you get paid by the word, whatever what the words say? Because nothing else explains it.
Bring it on, buddy. I'll put mine up against yours, any time.
@ TOXICCHEMIST --
You're every bit as delusional as Newt. We hate Newt for all the reasons I stated above.
If he wants to change his tune and lie about his involvement, perhaps he should not have run for president. He's toast anyway, the immoral, unethical hypocrite.
JK-4363698 said:
It totally makes my day to hear a Democrat use the word "morals"!
LOL. Like you even know what the word means, huckleberry.
The democrats OWN the failure of the housing marrket. Anybody who doesn't believe that is just a partisan idiot. Study up on the many numbers of times that the Bush administration tried to reform that industry just to be blocked by the do-nothing democrats and you will see why your home values suck today. We just happen to be looking forward to the most negative presidential campaign in our history. You will see the democrats try to blame everything on the republicans. It will not work. It didn't work in 2010, remember the shellacking? The shellacking will continue.
It is going to be sooo much fun watching the progressive/liberals explode.
1/20/2013 - the end of an error
To Anna Molly - - You sure have a lot to say and it is_too_bad_it_is_about_99%_bull_@!$%#. It does sound like you are good at meeting "smart guys" on the internet though. This seems to be your forte and you should stick with it or go back to square one and start all over again.
No one could do worse than what we have now.
Let all the communist spout! Newt got paid because he is smart and someone valued his ideas, unlike all the people bashing him in this collumn whose opinion's are worthless his opinion is highly regarded and payed for, and by the way why is it wrong for a private citizen to be paid to be a consultant you idiots? Not everybody wants free money some people make themselves smarter and get paid to do it.
Gingrich gives speeches all over on the importance of being "prudent and responsible" Yep! Pigs can cotract "madcow".
JH........ What facts do you base this tirade on? Me thinks that you dissemble.
JH - 47998 - How deluisional to BLAME the democrats for the failure of the housing market. I believe your illustrious republican president BUSH was to busy fighting wars in Iraq to notice what was happening. Hmm... Gingrich is on Freedie Mac's payroll... hmmm.. Its the do nothing but whine and complain teabaggers that preventing this nation from moving forward. Oh wait, thats right they want to cut spending and cut revenues by allowing BUSH tax cuts for the wealthy to continue. Oh and wasn't it BUSH who spent the surplus from the Clinton years by giving americans a rebate check?
What a crock. Stick your head in the sand and when the teabaggers are gone from congress, and obama wins in 2012, we'll finally see this nation of ours turn around.
Why would anyone pay even one red cent for ANYTHING Newt-the-Beaut had to say. This just stinks to high heaven (or is it Foggy Bottom?)
I guess Romney is our only option. Thank you for your fair and balanced hit jobs MSN...I now see the light.
Sounds like at best he is a really bad consultant or at worst a fraud. Why doesn't conservative media vet their candidates before throwing them on a stage for the whole world to laugh at.
I don't like President Bush either but at least he tried to reel in Fannie May and Freddie Mac. but he gets no credit for that. You ALL know Franks reply how financially secure they are.
If Newt did get paid as a consultant for over a million, then he SHOULD be toast. He is just another New World Order puppet anyways.
For ALL you Donkey lovers who NOW try to pin da elephant, Once AGAIN, they are two sides of the same coin.
Fannie Mai just asked for another 6 or 7 BILLION to keep from goin bankrupt while payin their big shots 15 million in bonuses.
How can you people support either side BLINDLY? LOL!
To all without a brain. I would say thats about 67% of this collumn. Does anybody know what Newt advised Freddie on. Does anyone know what what he said. I will hold Newt accountable and would like to know what was said. Advisors opinions are not always followed!
ItsAboutTime and Ed
You clowns need to go back and do a little bit of research and you will find the dems OWN the housing mess. Barney Frank was sleeping with Herb Moses, who worked in the financial offices of Fannie Mae. Barney was on the House Banking Committee at the same time. You would think that maybe some pillow talk might have given old Barney an indication that something might be wrong. But no, Barney defended all the policies of Fannie and Freddie. If you guys own a home you may want to write Barney a letter and thank him for screwing you at the same time he was screwing Moses.
LEAN FORWARD - this won't hurt a bit
That doesnt matter geo...it is perception they are after. It must be Romney vs O'bama, or they havnt got a shot.
Little by little things are starting to get pieced together, at least for me. Now I was blaming President Obama (a little) for not being able to work with the repubs while he's in office as did Bill Clinton, but now things are getting clearer and I see that the repubs made it impossible for him to work with them. There will never be anykind of unity in the WH along with the senate and congress and its because of the repubs and tp's. The repubs along with the tp can't tell the truth about anything and they will continue to scheme while in office to try and get the bills passed they want and put blame on the dems for what dosen't work. They are quick to take credit for what they don't accomplish and even quicker to put blame on the dems for their wrong doings. How can President Obama trust the repubs and tp's to try and work with them. How can any dem work along side or together with repubs or tp's? there are so few repubs left in congress or the senate that are responsible enough to trust. How can anyone vote for the repubs or tp's right now, is so beyond me and the only reasoning I can come up with is they are somehow involved with the repubs to be able to do so and are trying to become wealthy for their efforts or they are very wealthy already. I'm starting to give President Obama more credit for the things he's done til now and even for just the things he tried to do that the repubs/tp's blocked. The only person to vote for is Obama and a straight dem ticket. Maybe then this countries future will become more important than that of the repubs party.
Anna Molly 1.48
To have someone as delusional as you are write a post about other people’s delusions is amusing. You, in your addled mind attempt to place the blame for the Freddie/Fannie debacle on anything and everyone but where the true culpability lies, which are your hero’s Frank and Dodd.
You are just another Obama zombie, and as for proof of your addled mind, you probably think being an Obama zombie is a good thing.
#1.60 - Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:04 PM EST
geo-1957883 1.61
You better watch that stuff. Being reasonable and thoughtfull is usually frowned upon by most of those that lurk here.
Feisty is right. Please restore her post.
Scumbags, one and all. Republicans..............what can you do?
As an accountant for a small business - how come they don't know how much was paid???? I can get you pay info for our company from anyone in 2 minutes. Personally that is what I find pretty disturbing.
Yep, I bet he can't provide those numbers, it would involve looking at the Gingrich Group records, both company and company tax returns, and also his own tax returns. Really difficult to check! Well hell, I hear he is smart, maybe he'll figure it all out, probably not!
You wacks and liberal hacks need to look into your own toilet for the answers...Bonnie spittalk Frank and Chris dirt bag Dodd they were in charge of oversight of Fannie, Freddie and the Banks.....Your rightly scared....Newt would massacre your Hack in Chief Obama.....But us with common sense and the ability too think independently laugh out loud reading the naive rants of the dumb masses.........I guess your parents raised you to be part of the moocher class....Good Luck just getting by...When you grow up maybe you'll see how wrong you really were..
Hey Feisty Red,
You know when they collapse your posts your hurting them with the TRUTH! They can't stand the light, nor the truth that light reveals!
how much did bam bam make when he was a community agitator? (including shake down/protection money from local merchants)
three years later, and there is so much we still dont know about bam bam.
mitchj,
More than you'll make in a lifetime of lies!
Anna Molle wrote:
"NEWT LIED ABOUT HIS ROLE with regard to Freddie. He WAS in fact, part of the problem."
Now I wonder when she will present any facts to back her claim that he was in "fact", part of the problem.
Thesword has it right. We put someone in office, during a financial crisis, who never had to balance a budget, let alone create one. Shame on Americans for voting for someone who has no experience, not that the Republicans could do any better with McCain/Palin. So lets not make the same mistake, Obama still has no experience balancing a budget, only failing to balance.
I'm not suggesting a republican vote, but the democrats need to consider another candidate for next year instead of betting on the same insanity. Remember Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result.
scott fl,
Right, were so scared we only control the White House and U.S. Senate. We're just a sssshhhaaakkk'eennn in our ole worn out shoes. Probably will be for a few more years. Is this November of 2012 or what?
Post 1.44:
"LOL -- He tends to do that to me Anna!
@Toxic -- Newt was Speaker for 2 years during Clinton's term if I'm not mistaken. And you spell a lot not alot..... not being snarky just helpful."
Among other things, you could use commas where appropriate, but I'm "not being snarky(,) just helpful." Yeah, right! (Before you respond, read the book 'Metatalk' by Edwin E Newman - which also includes the verbal ploys ALL politicians use).
Oh what a wonderful editor you are Carlito! swoooon!
Mock outrage.
All the US Politicians do this crapola. This is why what needs to happen is a overall US Politician Reform Act as: a. Congressional Representatives (both Houses) chosen at Random like Jury Duty (as a Civic Duty)., b. Term Limits., c. Average Pay of the "Middle Class"., d. Votes of No Confidence (just in case you get a dud)., e. Lobbyists, Special Interest Groups and Individuals 100% Illegal and Enforced., f. Elimination of the Elitist Electoral College., g. etc. as described in other Newsvine Forums.
The reason why the Professional Politicians do this kind of crapola (eliminate the cause to solve the problem), look how much money they need to just stay in Office:
Sorry, Politicians' Dance Cards Are Full
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/21/ftn/main6228685.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea
This is just like the CBS Report about most of US Congress doing "Insider Trading". Long passed due to Pass into US Law, the Stock Act.
Congress: Trading stock on inside information?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388130n&tag=mncol;lst;2
When I said ALL of them do this. Do not even come up with the failed arguement or solution of "Campaign Reform". As President Obama's Buddy, "Mr.Corporate America" Legal Briefed the US Supreme Court to allow Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions before the Citizens United Case was even Heard by the US Supreme Court. During his Legal Brief to the US Supreme Court "Mr.Corporate America" admitted that he violated the US Law (Campaign Reform), McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, so the US Supreme Court had the choice of making Invalid the 2008-2009 Elections, or Allowing Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions. The US Supreme Court Ruling was "just in time" for President Obama to receive $1 Billion USDs from the Insurance Industry, Medical Device Industry, and Pharmasecuticals Industry as quid pro quo, as the Insurance Industry receives $67 Billion USDs and mandatory purchase of Insurance (more suckers into the High Risk Category), Medical Device Industry $20 Billion USDs, Pharmasecuticals Industry $23 Billion USDs, of US Citizen's money. By not funding President Obama's Health Care Reform Act, the US Budget would be balanced, as the cost is $1.7 Trillion USDs to $2.1 Trillion USDs.
As far as Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae, it is time to eliminate President Clinton's Community Reinvestment Act. Who in their right mind requires by US Law Financial Institutions provide Loans to those that cannot or do not have the means to payback the Loans.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv17n4/vmck4-94.pdf
As I stated before the "Mortgage Crisis" is just one part of the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion "Global Economic Crisis". To stop this Depression (same Causes, same Indicators, same Results), not Recession, the US Laws that made Illegal the Causes of the 1907 Depression and the 1929-1939 Great Depression must be Reinstated. These US Laws that made Illegal the Causes of previous Depressions were eliminated 1999 and 2000, after these US Laws were successful from 1933 to 2000 to prevent Depressions. Hint, unlike "Instant Gradification" it took time for the $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion "Global Economic Crisis" to build up.
scram....You had The House of Representatives as well, I'm sure you forgot the shellacking.....I'm used to a liberal hacks memory....Next the Senate and then The White House...Then we will get this country back on track......we didn't care for the Change....You keep it
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a ...mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
-Author Unknown
Before coming into this discussion, I knew the right-wingers were going to make their usual two wrongs make a right fallacious argument of "The other kids are doing it so why can't I?"
First off, Dodd and Frank are not running for POTUS or even Speaker, and I believe Dodd is retiring. Second, congress as a whole turned a blind eye in regard to Fannie and Freddie, but Republicans were the worst beginning with the end of the Glass-Steagall Act during Clinton.
Upon further investigation into Newt's past and being a lobbyist for Freddie Mac, it is being revealed that Republicans as a Party did not want to address the Freddie and Fannie matter. Add to this Dubya's decade of fanning the flames with additional "home ownership" promotion, low interest rates, and deregulation of the banking industry.
Following the controversial 2000 election, Dubya began his first term with the dot-com bust recession and unimpressive leadership, but was saved by 9-11. Then Dubya was reelected in 2004 by a small margin to go on to cover-up the poor economy and low job creation with the housing bubble, and cover up of the skyrocketing deficit by not including the cost of the wars in the budget. Bush and Karl Rove planned for the housing bubble to burst after 2008, but didn't succeed in pulling it off.
The housing crash was due primarily to Wall Street and the bundling of toxic mortgage securities. We know these investment bankers were conducting fraud because they hedged against these securities. Fannie and Freddie were merely followers among the many related problems. President Obama proposed phasing these institutions out a long time ago.
And here we are with Newt Gringrich, thankfully to remind American voters that the fraud and profit from the housing bust was due to Republican voodoo economics, Wall Street and bank's greed and corruption, and the "revolving door" to government that is Newt Gringrich.
Conservatives--own it for a change. We're tired of your ignorant spin.
Apparently not many of you own small businesses. If you asked me how much I'd billed one of my customers over the span of several years, I'd just say "beats me, I'd have to look it up." Which seems to be exactly what Mr. Gingrich is in essence saying. And the average of about $200k/yr that Bloomberg is reporting isn't much for a business, frankly. I would guess that's not even enough to be one of his top line items in sales.
Think of your own situation; if I asked you what your AGI was from 1999 to 2008, could you tell me? Doubtful.
And so what if he was paid to do a job? As business owners, we don't pick our customers/clients, they pick us. Everybody's money is just as green.
Now, if he was paid to do something a little seamy, that's a horse of a different color. And frankly, I wouldn't be that surprised. Newt's just a little too cagey for my liking.
But I don't want to be guilty of condemnation prior to examination. Let's see what the whole story is first. Of course that will probably be more dull than endless speculation and conspiracy theories, and won't be fodder for you hard rights and hard lefts to argue endlessly about. So let's spout off first, facts later.
Did anyone else notice that the biggest piece of advice he gave them was that they were creating a housing bubble and they should look at that practice?
Not that I am a big fan of Newt, but he was sort of spot on as we DID suffer a housing bubble that led to our current financial crisis.
Al, was it you who wanted to know who would buy a house with a variable rate? I did, eleven years ago and I feel like a blooming genius! My rate started at 7.4 per and is now down around 2. Only once in the entire period did the rate go up and it has never once been as high as the first year. I just wish I could consolidate all my bills and get that rate!
Mirrors are nice. Sometimes they come in handy when you want to fix your hair, or pick a piece of hypocrite out of your teeth.
wow I am completly confused. everyone is posting what a terrible person he is and how unqualiied he is to run for president. THe only thing the article points out was that he did not immediantly know how much he got paid for a consulting position.
Why do we care how much he got paid? Why should he remember how much he was paid by a company he met with once a month five years ago? Just because he was a consultant for freddie mac does not in nay way link him to the mortgage crisis... A large financial company like Freddie will have many other consultants, he was not in public office at the time, the executives of the company make the decisions. A contracted consultant like Newt tells them whatever they pay him to tell them and has no authority within the company.
I see nothing in this article that even comes close to tieing Newt to wrongdoing. This article is just telling us that Newt did work for a company that made poor decisions and they paid him for his help. Maybe the fact that they were making terrible choices is why they brought in Newt in the first place. His record shows him to be a fiscal conservative who I have a hard time thinking would have even recomended risky stratagies.
Way too many people on here trying to find somthing wrong with somone just because they don't like him.
This is not news, Gingrich mentioned during the Republican debate that he had advised Freddie. He also mentioned that they did not listen to him when he told them they were creating a housing bubble.
This story comes as no surprise... Polls show a jump in the polls for Gingrich. It is only natural for the left to try to do character assassination... Obama cannot win on his record of failure.
So
....BACK TO SOLYNDRA MSNBC!!!!
pathetic......
Scott fl,
RE: your post #1.79
Hey Scott, look at the score (polls)! Perhaps you will learn something NEW! I will admit you may win if unemployment remains at 9%. But that is the ONLY chance you have. It sure as hell won't be because of your candidates! How da ya like your potential candidates? Real bunch of rabbits, right! Another FACT for you, NO ONE, Dems or TP/GOP, is bringing back good jobs in large quantities necessary to lift us out of this recession, it will go for decades. If Europe fails to solve its debt crisis, we are cooked - AGAIN- economically speaking.
True patriot...Just because Dodd is retiring does not lessen his involvement or culpability....A liberal Demcrap will be the first to dismiss anything liberal does..... Your boys were the head chairmans on the committees that oversaw the corruption....George Bush went to Congress asking them to reform FM and FM...Bonnie continually stated...everything is going great no need to reform.... How come nobody knows about that but people that watch any news other than ABC, NBC, CBS....MSDNC the Obama network does not count, we know their mission statement....Say anything, anytime...it doesn't matter 13 people are watching....
I gave advise but never lobbied, is like saying, I told the cab driver where to go but I didn't drive it.
Well, Republicans still won't admit that Bush & Cheney caused any of the problems we're dealing with now - so no, I'm sure they wouldn't blame Newt.
He was paid for his advice after the fact? Sounds like throwing away good money after bad. Wasn't he the top Republican, outside of the WH, when Dodd and Frank were heading up the govt mortgage co's?
Scrambo....Any of the republican candidates would put America immediately on a course to get back to the rule of law and our constitution...We would see a improvement on the job front immediately, because we will have more confidence in what the next Administrations agenda will be concerning small businesses. We will repeal Obama care...We will give the immediate ok to build the pipeline from Canada....Any one of the candidates will be such a big improvement. Your question..... it's like being asked a question from a kid thats lived in a cave for three years...don't know much about whats going on do you...Better for you to maybe just read post...
My God what a bunch of whiny libs on these threads lately! Not to mention factually challenged. I can't count how many of you morons are attempting to pin the collapse of Fannie and Freddie on one man! The entire bunch of idiots running the House and the Senate are responsible yet most of you morons want to make this a Republican issue...WAKE UP! The entire system is made up of a good ol boy network that is filled with both parties. You people are so delusional that you refuse to even look at the mess we are in and even consider for just one minute that the people you worship are a huge part of the problem. All of these reports and stories coming out right now are an attempt to discredit every candidate out there and you fools keep drinking the kool aid thinking that everything will be okay as long as our boy Obama gets re-elected. What a bunch of maroons!
Mr. Tom lotsanumbers:
I suspect most small businessmen could not tell you their income from individual sources. HOWEVER -
Most of us are not running for President. Regardless of how Gingrich tries to position himself, the fact is he is a Washington insider. That he was not prepared for a question about Fannie and Freddie speaks to pure incompetence. Could he have imagined for one moment that connection would escape scrutiny?
His answer is beyond disingenuous. Advice from Newt based on his credentials as a historian is utterly ludicrous. It was about his connections and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
Gingrich's slime factor is so great, he makes Adam Clayton Powell look like a saint.
We have only seen the tip of the iceberg with this disgraceful politician. He is a political animal - albeit a disgusting one - and he is in this race for a single purpose - to make money. With his background and time in the political world he knows damned good and well he is not electable.
...and he wasn't honest enough to stay "Speaker of the House". Perfect Republican candidate for President of the United States.
"When they show you who they are...believe them!"
Funny, I thought you libs loved the New York Times and they didn't think it was lame. They thought it was news. BTW, I do not get paid by the word...neither does The New York Times.
Seriously? Did you read the article or are you just that thick headed and leftwinged? They specifically call out that Gingrich advised them that their lending practices were contributing to a pending housing bubble burst. If they chose to pay him for his advice, and the chose to ignore it, how does that make Gingrich "partially to blame"?
If you or I could earn that kind of money to consult with someone, we would certainly do it too. There is nothing to this story, other than the left wing media continues to look for ways to discredit any conservative politician that might represent a threat to their "almighty" Obama.
You just keep on kidding yourself that we are better off than we were 3 years ago. You just keep on kidding yourself that "it could be worse without Obama". The rest of us will vote him out.
Looks like Fannie & Freddie - 1% Wants to buy their man with one of their big Bonuses? The GOP T-Tards are wall street puppets, they are bought and sold.
So if it is true they did not listen to them when he advised them about the bubble, doesn't that mean he failed in his job as a consultant? And despite his contacts and obvious influence, he failed to convince anyone in the Bush administration of what was about to happen? Or did he even bother to try? If we want to torture logic as so many here seem willing to do, we could suggest the former Speaker knew what was happening, and did not use his contacts and influence in an attempt to stop it. Is Newt Gingrich accepting responsibilty for the housing bubble?
If you, and most of the other conservatives on this thread, only had this brain you refer to, then you'd know that there are several posts on this thread, including mine, that lay out what Newt actually did ...
... and what he did wasn't merely "advise" Freddie.
CPAUL's post lays this out. I also posted a link on First Thoughts that lays it out -- and the article I link was published in 2008, and is not merely post hoc, sour grapes analysis.
Let me repeat. What Newt did was NOT give business advice. Instead, his role was to talk up Freddie and Fannie to influence conservative members of Congress so they would vote against legislation proposed by Chuck Hagel -- remember Hagel? -- to bring Fannie and Freddie under control.
And Newt, and the other conservative hired guns of Freddie and Fannie, accomplished exactly that.
By the way, this was back in 2006, when Republicans still ran Congress and did nothing at all to curb in Freddie and Fannie or any of the Wall Street excesses.
In essence, and here's the point -- Newt CONSPIRED with Freddie Mac -- in other words, just the opposite of what he said he did. In short, he's lying now.
And why is he lying now? Because he knows that conservatives have been attempting to defraud the public by blaming Freddie and Fannie, and by extension President Obama, for what THEY actually did, which was to fail to rein in Freddie and Fannie at THE critical time that might have prevented the disaster we see before us.
All of you, including for example am.cam, who keep trying to make this about whether it was okay to lobby, and whether the lobbyist is to blame for what the politician does, are ompletely missing the point.
And maybe, given the influx of newbies this afternoon, and the uniformity of your misguided message, missing the point was your assignment.
Exactly right. But you see, he didn't try because that's NOT what he was hired to do. Read CPaul's post above and check out the link I left on First Thoughts.
I received--$1.6M or $1.8M for "consulting" but didn't know it. I'll have to get my staff to look into it. I am so sick of this line up of idiots. The casino guy, Tiffany's--vet the people before you drag them out of the cave. A "cult member", a Texas dim wit, and a guy that can't even remember the women he groped.
The only one that makes sense is Huntsman and he's consistently polled in single digits. Does the GOP have something they hate about honest people?
Obama-Huntsman 2012
The real question is, how much did Frank Dodd and Barney Frank get?
Vote for change, vote for Ron Paul, he is not six of one or a half dozen of the other.
J. WOW! This must in fact mean that Mr. Gingrich himself IS and WAS responsible for the downturn of our nations economy. ; ] First he denied that he received pay or that he lobbied for them. Then they themselves confirmed his pay and employment.
Does that not mean his advice was taken and thereby responsible for all of the bad decisions that got us here? And if you are so quick to say no then I must ask... Why was that million or so paid? Waste not want not? Hmmm
One after another these tea bagging republican extremest who took control of the party are caught. Found to be uneducated know nothings liars and criminals in some cases. When many on the right think it is good NOT to be a Washington insider why do they always end up gravitating towards those who have been there are there and are lobbyist insiders? Why do they assume it to be the right way to not vote in any politician and that it is good to be an uneducated dolt?
I would agree to not be a career politician is GRrrrr8! But that does not mean we want or need uneducated buffoons to take there place. You can be a smart educated college educated man or women and make a difference. Yet the right does not see it that way at all.
In fact what they do see is that they do not want career politicians yet are astounded and amazed by the likes Of Mr. Gingrich, Mr. Cain, Mr Perry a few love Mr. Romney etc.. All who have been there in the game for more then awhile. Just like Mccain was. ; ]
Cheers
Molly. All Newts fault; got it. Why no mention of Dodd Frank? And if 2 FORMER employees said it well then by golly it has to be true. Right?
Boom Boom Boom, another one bites the dust. And another goes and another one goes. Another one bites the dust. Next up Captain Wacko Ron Paul!
am.can 1.91 - do you even know what the words advise and lobby mean?? consultant position and lobbyist position are different as he mentions his contract even states that he is not asked to perform any work as a lobbyist.
patriotic american usa 1.100 your post doesn't make any sense... he was being paid for providing a service to a company while he was not in office. There is not even any semblance of wrongdoing involved with him being paid by FM to give them advice.
dave 1.101 - how can you fail at being a consultant? do you even know what a consultant is? they pay him for his advise. he has no control over what they do. He did better than most in predicting the bubble but he didn't KNOW it was coming. Your comment is as uneducated as italy prosecuting the geoscientists for not predicting an earthquake (which is impossible).
annamolly 1.102 - I am interested in your points and will read more into this but even if your right all that shows is that he was acting as a lobbyist which while I do not believe to be good for our country was completly legal and no more offensive than any other lobbyist in washington.
Let me add that yes he is a politician which by definition means that he is likely a crooked scumbag but the point is there is no evidence in this article to suggest that he is. If you wnat to bash newt I imagine there are some things you can find without acting misinformed and jumping over logic to wild conclusions...
David Walker:
I guess they add the lotsanumbers to a common moniker. Perhaps that means I'm just the 2,709,947th Mr. Tom. And my mom always told me I was special. Just shows what she knew... ;-)
Excellent points, all.
But I'm not certain that being unable to quote the amount he'd been paid speaks of incompetence. I think it's more borne from one of the other things you point out; that he's an insider and career politician, and not one of them can give a straight answer. Either that, or he simply didn't know. I agree that he surely knew he'd be questioned on his involvement with that organization, but of the myriad questions he could be asked, he may not have anticipated that one. And better to say, "I don't know" than give an incorrect answer. I dunno. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
That being said, as I mentioned before, he makes me uneasy. He's a greasy one, that guy. And like you, I think under the light of day we'll see (or perhaps just be reminded) how greasy.
Is he smart? Sure. Do I think he's got a wealth of knowledge about D.C. and how to make things go? Probably. But Newt is for Newt, and only for Newt. That's not the kind of guy we need leading the country.
One more thing. Adam Clayton Powell? Really? Wow, I had to dig deep back into my brain for that name. But an apt comparison, indeed.
Mr. Tom lotsanumbers:
See, there you go. You're the only Mr. Tom-2709947. Very, very special. As near as I can tell, if there's more than one Mr. Tom - or any other duplicate name/moniker - a random number is generated. Your number is 2709947. At my age, I just stick with "lotsanumbers".
I think given the role of Fannie and Freddy in the housing debacle, Gingrich would have been stupid to imagine he would escape on that one. You're sure right on the "I don't know" answer. That, and "I'll get back to you on that right away" probably would have worked. Still, his involvement would have required spinning that would have made a whirling dervish look catatonic.
Adam Clayton Powell? I was going to use Duke Cunningham, but in the interest of equal time for the criminally inclined I picked a Democrat - thus, Adam Clayton Powell.
State the Facts as to what Bush and Cheney caused (start with the beginnings).
Their mistake was not fixing the sh!t.
"Global Economic Crisis" started with the removal of the US Laws that made the Causes Illegal, 1999 and 2000.
Iraq: US Law with Congressional Appropriations, 1998 H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act". US Congress Declares War With Iraq with US Law, 2002 Iraqi War Resolution (with Congressional Appropriations). A UN Mission Nation Building.
Afghanistan: 9/11 2001 Attacks, US Laws with Congressional Appropriations. A UN Mission Nation Building.
2006 President Bush attempts to solve the over 23 Million Illegal Aliens in the US situation. US Congress chickens out passing the President Bush's Illegal Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006 into Law, fearing for their lives during 2006 Nationwide Demonstrations of Illegal Aliens.
http://www.theorator.com/bills109/hr5456.html
Was in favor of Campaign Reform with the US Law and signed the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (aka the McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act). 2010, This US Law was later defeated by President Obama so that he could receive his $1 Billion USDs of Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions from the Insurance Industry, Medical Device Industry, and Pharmaceuticals Industry.
http://www.fec.gov/press/bkgnd/bcra_overview.shtml
The closed door White House Meetings between President Obama, Insurance Industry, Medical Device Industry, and Pharmasceuticals Industry:
PBS Documentary, "Obama's Deal".
President Obama's "The President's Proposal", February 22, 2010.
President Obama's Health Care Reform Act (the final version passed into Law, Section on Revenue, the Insurance Industry gets $67 Billion, the Medical Device Industry gets $20 Billion, the Pharmasceuticals Industry gets $23 Billion of US Citizens money, as Billed $1.7 Trillion USDs to $2.1 Trillion USDs), these numbers were included into the US Law from President Obama's "The President's Proposal".
Unlikely ally of health care reform: business
Insurers, drug companies came on board early and may profit from it
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35989945/ns/business-us_business/
So the part of Occupy Wall Street demanding Campaign Reform were correct, just not stating the details.
Just like I made a list of mistakes for Bush (41), Clinton (42), Bush (43), Obama. So tell me what did Bush and Cheney Cause.
"It is time to revisit Mr. Obama's friends: Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadette Peters, Acorn, SEIU, AFL-CIO, and a host of other dysfunctional anti-American "activists"."
Anybody catch this posted way upthread? Maybe she's a Marxist actress? Bwahahahaha!!!
Just a few things - then I'll shut back up.
1) If the theory is that Republicans are for limited government and Democrats are for expanded government (which is what I get crammed down my throat every time I post)... does it make more sense that the deregulation (please read that word as "limiting governments influence") would be spearheaded by Republicans or Democrats?
2) I don't know about all of you, but I personally would have no problem chunking down $200k per year to a historian to advice me on how to run my business. And saying that he wasn't "lobbying" is a crock. Whether you're asking the man to stand up in front of Congress and lobby for them on their behalf - or you're asking him to provide a roadmap for making the most inroads with Congressional members. Added to that, while Newt "favors homeownership", he certainly was never a fan of the methods employed by Fannie and Freddie to bring that about. The whole thing makes about as much sense as the someone from PETA working for a furrier. There's something rotten in the state of Denmark, meinthinks.
3) Newt's quote: "I offered strategic advice over a long period of time." If I'm running a business and I need strategic advice, I'm calling Steve Forbes. Not some halfwit like Gingrinch.
4) The comments about the who controlled what and who was in the White House when <x> went down are getting tiring. We're facing a bit $hit sammich and everyone is going to have to take a bite. If there's one thing that I think a majority of Americans believe it is that Washington is broke (financially and mechanically). A viable third party needs to be formed. That party needs to make "political overhaul" their primary focus. To make "the economy" the focus is to say... "lets make some tough decisions now and then let politicians figure out new ways to extort money out of the system".
While we've been fussing over the economy - the PPACA has been being phased in as it was intended. We've all pulled our eye off the ball. While all of this BS has been going on in Washington, United Healthcare, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Humana, and the rest of the maggots that feast on other people's misery to turn a tidy profit have been satiating themselves on increased rates on a whopping scale. Democrats are too busy scurrying for cover, Republicans are too busy trying to blame the Democrats and the Teabaggers are too busy trying to dismantle the PPACA. Shame on Nancy Pelosi (who, personally, I believe is only slightly a better alternative for President than Newt Gingrinch). Democrats should have NEVER allowed a vocal minority to create the real reform this country needed. I would have had a lot more respect for them if they were voted out because they did the right thing - not some half-measure that no one is really happy about.
Again people vomiting without reading the story, and checking the facts. I will succeed whom ever is in office, all I care about is small government, free market and I DON'T care about anyone Else's private life or how much they make.. .Congress lives by laws that would get the rest of us thrown in jail and please quite spending my money.. .don't keep blaming everyone else before you look at the country as a whole. Everyone is greedy and why don't you ask bill what he and his cronies friends made off of the Freddy and fanny debacle, but than again e of people never grow up and need someone to wipe their a$$.. . with some elese's paid for toilet paper just because they think they have more.. .
Dave-###s, Gingrich is lying. Not only did he NOT advise Freddie about the bubble, he help protect the bubble -- And he was not a consultant at all. He was a damned lobbyist, and folks at Freddie Mac have confirmed this. Chit chats are not worth 1.6 million.
You, JK-#### -- Yes, let's start peeling the onion off these douche bags and follow the money -- Throw in Grover Norquist for good measure. Whether it's Gingrich, or Perry, or Romney, or Bachmann, they have all acquired wealth with scams, kick-backs, government hand-outs, and general debauchery. Your first clue is the wealth they amassed was far above their pay grade as public officials.
Turn off FOX Noise, Hate Radio, and most of all chain Emails gone viral. These are not credible sources of information.
Sword and pen nobody is saying the public sector is out hiring the private sector as a matter of fact it is the other way around....Everywhere teachers,firefighters,police and other public sector workers are being layed-off...Isn't that messed up we can pay for Bushies war but not for things at home...Because the right doesn't care about America they care about defense contracts and tax cuts for the rich so they can not invest and lay-off workers since they now can show higher profits.........And they can work the remaining workers to the bone because they are killing worker rights......So you and your friends just stay in the cult ( Fox nation ) and when the democrats take over in 2012 you can move to that land in the outback with the fema trailers ( Murdochville ) that your leader Rupert Murdoch is preparing for you....And by the way I am gonna collapse your comment anyways......hahahahahah
JH-479998 - You clowns need to go back and do a little bit of research and you will find the dems OWN the housing mess. Barney Frank was sleeping with Herb Moses, who worked in the financial offices of Fannie Mae
Oh he was... were you in the room where they were sleeping together? Show me the KICK back money? Do you have proof?
Barney was on the House Banking Committee at the same time. You would think that maybe some pillow talk might have given old Barney an indication that something might be wrong. But no, Barney defended all the policies of Fannie and Freddie.
Barney was on the House Banking Committee, but where was Gingrich? that's right, he was being PAID by Fannie Mack. Then he can't remember how much? Then your illustrious president BUSH? what did he do? NOTHING. He was to busy focused on a war and ignored the domestic economy completely. BUSH knew in 2003 what was happening, and it wasn't until 2008 he actually acknowledged it.
If you guys own a home you may want to write Barney a letter and thank him for screwing you at the same time he was screwing Moses.
LOL I do own a home. First, I did not FALL for one of those 'high risk mortgages' that FANNIE Mack put out there with the support of the republicans in Washington. Second, I bought within my means, and Third, I had a plan. Four, I don't accept BRIBEs from corporations in my life, I have better ethics.
LEAN FORWARD - this won't hurt a bit
LOL, you're right it won't, because you are the one who has truly leaned way over... Peace
Will The Newt make it the whole 4-6 weeks?
Paul and Huntsman may just get a shot at #1 for a week or so at this rate!
And there you go again. I never said it was all Newt's fault. But he's the one in question right now, and he's LYING about his role, which was NOT to give Freddie business advice -- au contraire, his ROLE was to convince conservative Congress persons to back off of Freddie.
I challenge every conservative on this thread to come up with one piece of evidence that supports Gingrich's claim about what he was doing. Just one place where he is quoted giving a warning about Freddie and Fannie.
And good luck with that because that's NOT what Freddie Mac officials say he was doing.
And they ought to know because they're the ones who were paying him.
I don't DO talking points, and neither do most of the liberals on this thread.
But there sure are a lot of them flying here. Mostly off point and diversionary -- like yours.
@ all the conservatives on this thread --
Once again, the point is NOT whether everyone lobbies, or whether Newt made money for lobbying, or whether Barney and Chris ought to be in jail.
Are you so weak minded that you cannot see the real point -- which is that Newt Gingrich -- who was, I will remind you sanctioned by the House of Representatives for lying -- is lying again about his role -- he's trying to pretend that he was raising the alarm about Freddie and Fannie, when in fact, he was nothing but a paid hack FOR Freddie, and his role was NOT to criticize, his role was to CHEERLEAD.
The man is a total hypocrite and liar. The fact that there may be others on both sides of the aisle does not diminish that fundamental point.
I have heard not one word from any conservative out here that does anything but divert attention from that fundamental fact.
Newt Gingrich was, is, and ever shall be a pathological liar.
And anyone who quotes what he just said is lying. Watch him and weep, boys and girls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXmrOt9LVm8
@ JH -- I see you're still just as crude as you ever were.
But then again, that's just about par for conservative humor AND logic.
Put a frog in a pot of water, increase the heat slowly and the frog boils. Since Newts are amphibians like frogs and salamanders, will the same hold true here?
Knowing Newt, he will hop out of the pot into the fire!
I don't think Newts hop. He probably will do some sort of semi crawl and slither into the fire.
Even better. If he falls on the floor my cat can play with him!
Obama couldn't remember being born in Kenya
Ol' Newt can't remember being born in Kenya either. Because neither of them, he nor Obama were born there. The Tea Party supporters of old Newt are still hanging on to their desperate lies and conspiracy theories while enjoying their Tea flavored Kool Aid.
Hayes.......You're being a dissembler. (deliberately telling a falsehood or misleading statement.)
Who here can actually JUSTIFY Newt's antics??? Only GOP apologists who spin responses here do, and I can only think they are being compensated for posting such nonsense. Either that or they actually do have dysfunctional personality disorders as "those" studies indicated.
@TheSwordNPen79 So... to hit just a couple of your points. It wasn't Clinton that was responsible for the surplus of his term but the Republican controlled Congress. But now that we have a financial crisis, it certainly WASN"T the Republican controlled Congress AGAIN, who were responsible for it. Ok, next, to your comment about not cooperating with Congressional investigations, you mean all the going to court to keep the President and Vice President from testifying, or the court battles over releasing documents or...Oh wait, that was Pres. Bush wasn't it? Lastly, as to the "liberal media" get a grip. ALL the major media outlets are mega corporations, they all have an agenda and it has NOTHING to do with being liberal or not. It is about sensationalism. Look at Fake, I mean Fox, News. They went to court to protect their "right" to force their reporters to print un-true stories! You listen to WAY too much right wing radio and don't do NEAR enough research or thinking for yourself. The problem isn't a left-wing/right-wing problem. It is a problem with too much money controlling our political system and it comes from BOTH sides of the aisle. If you are still thinking that the right can do no wrong, I will simply point you to Newt's Contract on, I mean, with America and what a load of crap that was. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but at least let it be yours and not Limbaugh's and maybe look at the facts before you take these guys word for it. After all, they have a vested interest in keeping things as they are, they ARE rich!
Hayes-312687: You actually remember where you were born? Do you also remember who you were, and where you were, before you were born? Did you have a tough time sliding through? Were you breech or head first? Weren't you ashamed of being naked for all to see? Did someone pop your ass to get you to breath? I'll bet that's what happened. Probably angered you and you've been pissed ever since. You're very unusual.
Al in Visalia CA,
You do not have time to come up with really emotive baloney.
Fix your Bankrupt Illegal Alien Harbor State, so that we are all not Collectively Punished for your bad decisions, by having to pay more US Taxes to bailout your Bankrupt Illegal Alien Harbor State.
Fact:
In 2004, California spent over $10 Billion USDs on Illegal Aliens. $7.7 Billion Education for Illegal Aliens, $1.4 Billion USDs for Health Care for Illegal Aliens (that US Citizens cannot even afford for themselves), $1.4 Billion USDs for the imprisonment of Violent Crime Illegal Aliens (Murder, Rape, Armed Assault, Gang Initiations (random rape, then murder (no witnesses)).
The over $10 Billion USDs then became Unavailable for programs and projects for US Citizens. Education (Layoffs of Teachers, School Closures, Higher Tuitions), Law Enforcement (Layoffs), Irrigation (closure of 50% of California's Fruit and Vegetable Basket, requiring most to come from South and Central Americas), Fire Fighting (Layoffs), Brush Clearing to prevent Forest Fires (and later Mud Slides), State Infrastructure (Roads and Streets), Public Buildings (including Schools). This over $10 Billion does not include the cost to provide Illegal Aliens with Public Assistance, Public Housing, Food Stamps, etc..
And do not even say the pay Taxes, the amount collected was $17 Million USDs this does not pay for the over $10 Billion USDs. As the majority of Illegal Aliens have been Advised by the Lawyers of US Tax Payer Funded La Raza NOT to fill out Employer Paperwork (Income Tax Withholding, Deductions for Medical Dental Vision, deductions for Social Security, etc.), as Employer Paperwork is used by ICE to obtain Search Warrants to Raid Businesses (President Obama praised ICE as cost effective).
Since more of California's Neighbors are passing State Laws against Illegal Aliens, more Illegal Aliens are fleeing to Bankrupt Illegal Alien Habor State of California. So the over $10 Billion spent on Illegal Aliens increased while the California State Revenues decreased (dramatically).
SO FIX YOUR SH!T.
@ Hayes-312687:
I haven't met anyone yet who remembers "being born". As far a where President Obama was born, you might check into some world history before you make any attempt at a sarcastic comment.
Kenya did not exist at the time Barrack H. Obama was born.
P.S.: It is a settled matter among logical and sane people that Barrack H. Obama was born in Hawaii. Only the psychologically imbalanced continue to assert anything other than that known fact.
There is not an honost bone in Newt or the party he represents. Not ONE!
Hey David "I'm just a number", I'll make you a deal. California pays more to the federal treasury than they get back from the federal treasury. If you allow California to keep all the excess money they pay in to prop up the leeching red states, we will free you from worrying about our "illegal alien" problem.
Funny how MSN goes after all the republican candidates like this but Solyndra and other big loans to Obama campaign friends are never mentioned what happened to telling the news as is?
phinephancy-4252115
Turds doan hop too gud, they just slide around and stink up the place. Newt belongs in the outhouse (one behind a whorehouse, if you wish), but not, not, not anywhere near the White House.
DMAZ, FUNNY but only Republicans are having a nomination process for the next Presidential run. Did you forget that? Oh, yes, Solyndra loan processing started under GW Bush. Another forgetful moment? You and Herman Cain have a lot in common.
Look at the shiny object in my left hand...ooow...shiny. No don't look at my right hand. Look at the shiny object in my left hand. Lies...deflection...projection...don't you guys ever get tired of the same ol' crap?
I have a question for all of you?? Why is it that even though 80% of African American families QUALIFIED for a real mortgage were given a sub-prime mortgage anyway........... You can't find out what you qualify unless the lenders tell you.......... So explain that one please..............
Only if you want to be. The right person at the right time is more than just a number. And 1+1+1+1+ etc. (repeating) does make a difference if the Cause is clear.
Try again. Not according to the Government State of California.
And how about this California instead of living off the State of Hawaii, voluntarily eliminates the Jones Act, especially the Jones Act Taxes (that the State of California benefits from, living off the backs of the people of the State of Hawaii). The only part of the Jones Act that should be retained is the establishment of the US Merchant Marine.
He sounds just like his buddy Clarence Thomas. Oops. I forgot I made that 1.6 million. Thomas accidently left his wife's earnings from her TeaParty group of $700K off his tax return. Of course anybody else would be arrested. Both are about as slimy as they come. Newt's arrogance is really disgusting. He's too good for most of America.
(article) Bloomberg News report that said Gingrich "made between $1.6 and $1.8 million in consulting fees" in his work for Freddie Mac between 1999 and 2008.
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Come on, MSNBC, is this all you got ??? News flash, Newt made money. LOL.
Kerry parks his yacht out of state to avoid tax, but that's different.
Here's another news flash for you, Calista likes diamonds. yada yada
Work harder. I know Liberals don't really like work because welfare, social goodies, and the nanny state mentality have made you soft. But, if you want to be a first class dirt digger, and chief slanderer in the country, it means prowling through garbage cans. Rather unsavory, isn't it? The ALTERNATIVE is to discuss something of importance.
Ooooh, look! A birther!
A species noted for their loud, plaintive cries and small cranial capacity, thought to be extinct.
Newt is a crook.
Obama is a crook.
Different parties both corrupt to the bone.
Don't confuse yourself Newt is not a tea parrty small government constitutionalist.
He is a center right globalist just like Obama is a left of center globalist.
david-475776,
I'm glad to see you've gone to your "quiet place."
Take deep, slow breaths through the nose and slowly exhale from the mouth.
And again... and again....
Feeling better now? Good boy!
Tea Party members are not small government constitutionalists either. Most of them are on SSI or retired on SS. They are GOP followers. Nothing more, nothing less.
Greg Parker,
The difference is Kerry admitted to berthing his boat in Rhode Island and records show that the boat is actually owned by a company called Great Point LLC, a limited liability corporation based in Pittsburgh.
The Newt said he had never worked for Freddie, then he was only and adviser in matters of history, and now says he is not sure how much money is involved.
The issue is not money, it's honesty, or the apparent lack of it.
This headline is entirely misleading. It forgets to also name the Democrats who also lined their pockets doing the same damned thing. But that doesn't fit the MSDNC agenda.
The dems and libbys are really starting to reach now. Any GOP that makes significant gains in the polls are automatically attacked by the media wolf pack that would never DARE do that same thing to obama and the libby nazis. Anyone that cant see the absolute bias of the media in this country is a blinded moron.Its too bad we Americans are NEVER afforded the truth by ANY misinformation spewing, manipulative media sluggs.
"Try again. Not according to the Government State of California."
Actually Al is correct. See here: http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html
I am BIASED. I hate ignorance and debauchery. I especially hate hypocrisy. Call me a liberal if you will, I am proud of the moniker.
The real question is, how much did Frank Dodd and Barney Frank rake in?
A self hating liberal......who knew....
Translation: All the Democrats are doing it. Why can't we?
Answer: only one of them is running for President.
Pretty funny how many people that think Fannie and Freddie were the cause of the 2008 meltdown are willing to give Newt a pass on taking money from them.
Gharms, how many of those Democrats are seeking the presidential nomination from a party that makes a lot of political hay attacking Fannie and Freddie? None. It is not news because he made money. It is news because he wants the nomination from the Republican party. You know, the same Republican party that demonizes Fannie and Freddie every chance they get? A little too subtle for you? Sorry, I guess I am just the product of an "elitist" education, I can reason.
Biteme, you're delusional. FOX News, WSJ, etc. There are plenty of media outlets that are just as biased the other way.
NiteOwlett
"Tea Party members are not small government constitutionalists either. Most
of them are on SSI or retired on SS. They are GOP followers. Nothing more,
nothing less."
This makes less than no sense. You really think TEA Party members are receiving (living off of) gov't insurance programs?... the same programs the TEA party wants to cut/shut down?
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Just saw second post (clock ticking): "I am BIASED. I hate ignorance and debauchery. I especially hate hypocrisy. Call me a liberal if you will, I am proud of the moniker."
What? HUH?
Pick a side!
Newt said he has given speeches all over, urging "prudence and responsibility". Yep. A pig can contract "madcow" disease.
NiteOwlett,
Please read the note I sent.
TY.
So Newt lied again. And showed that he still has no morals or ethics - except to further whatever he is doing. And this surprises anyone?
Before coming into this discussion, I knew the right-wingers were going to make their usual two wrongs make a right fallacious argument of "The other kids are doing it so why can't I?"
First off, Dodd and Frank are not running for POTUS or even Speaker, and I believe Dodd is retiring. Second, congress as a whole turned a blind eye in regard to Fannie and Freddie, but Republicans were the worst beginning with the end of the Glass-Steagall Act during Clinton.
Upon further investigation into Newt's past and being a lobbyist for Freddie Mac, it is being revealed that Republicans as a Party did not want to address the Freddie and Fannie matter. Add to this Dubya's decade of fanning the flames with additional "home ownership" promotion, low interest rates, and deregulation of the banking industry.
Following the controversial 2000 election, Dubya began his first term with the dot-com bust recession and unimpressive leadership, but was saved by 9-11. Then Dubya was reelected in 2004 by a small margin to go on to cover-up the poor economy and low job creation with the housing bubble, and cover up of the skyrocketing deficit by not including the cost of the wars in the budget. Bush and Karl Rove planned for the housing bubble to burst after 2008, but didn't succeed in pulling it off.
The housing crash was due primarily to Wall Street and the bundling of toxic mortgage securities. We know these investment bankers were conducting fraud because they hedged against these securities. Fannie and Freddie were merely followers among the many related problems. President Obama proposed phasing these institutions out a long time ago.
And here we are with Newt Gringrich, thankfully to remind American voters that the fraud and profit from the housing bust was due to Republican voodoo economics, Wall Street and bank's greed and corruption, and the "revolving door" to government that is Newt Gringrich.
Conservatives--own it for a change. We're tired of your ignorant spin.
" ... You really think TEA Party members are receiving (living off of) gov't insurance programs?... the same programs the TEA party wants to cut/shut down? ... "
Well actually now that you ask ......
Why yes I do. And thank you for asking. Now, do I believe that ALL TPer's are? Of course not. I'm a Liberal, and I can think for myself. Just like I don't think that all Republicans/Conservatives are stupid people. But they all do play one on TV. Just watch one of them while they are. On TV that is.
But I can state as a fact, and without fear of contradiction, that EVERY TPer that I know does. Every last damn one of them. Not that I know a awful lot of them, but the ones I do know are. Every last damn one of them.
The point is that Gingrich lied about it. Then he has stated that it is one of the agencies, if elected, he would close. And he lied about it. And/or have the people that head them fired, and/or prosecuted. And he lied about it.
He lied about it. Then he lied about lying about it. Then he denied lying about it. Then he forgot that he lied about or that he denied it. Now he says that he did, but he forgot, so he really didn't lie about or deny it. And if you have video/audio tape of him saying anything about it, YOU are lying! So it's not his fault. It's ....
It's ......
It's Obamas fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn that Obama.
lol
True...It is obvious that you understand nothing. There is nothing in your post other than being childish and spoiled to the point of silliness. And, you believe that the world was waiting breathlessly for that crap?
SayitaintSo-628660,
You wrote @ Hayes-312687: "Kenya did not exist at the time Barrack H. Obama was born."
I'm on your side, SayitaintSo. While, yes, "Kenya" was not a country, the "Republic of Kenya" was most certainly a country in 1961.
Small point (agreed) but let's not give the "birthers" any fuel, OK?!
OK. Newt's over. Cain's over. Perry's over. Paging... who?
Jon Huntsman, who's too well-educated and well-traveled ever to appeal to the Base? The dull yet suspiciously moderate Romney, not accepted as a sufficiently rabid Christian? Ron Paul, a cult figure who can't gain traction?
Rick "Savage" Santorum, who may actually be a complete idiot? Michelle Bachmann, so scary-nuts that one would not trust her around a loaded pistol and a bottle of Turning Leaf Chardonnay?
What will they scrape up next?
Here...this may help Newt remember. Odd to me that I found this in a small town newspaper but major outlets aren't giving these numbers.
Tester, Rehberg criticize bonuses for Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac execs
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 6:56 PM by Marnee Banks (Helena)
Updated: Nov 15, 2011 7:17
The U.S. Senate Banking Committee heard testimony that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac executives are receiving lucrative pay packages.
The committee hearing revealed of the $124 billion the two entities received in government bailouts, $95 million went to compensation packages for top executives, and over $12 million were awarded in bonuses.
Senator Jon Tester (D-Montana) sits on the committee which oversees Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. On Tuesday he blasted the Federal Housing Finance Agency for allowing taxpayers to pick up the tab for the these bonuses.
Congressman Denny Rehberg (R-Montana) also joined the discussion by proposing legislation which would freeze compensation packages for the executives.
H.R. 1221 would also put the employees on the same pay scale as other federal civil service employees.
Headline should read "Gingrich WON'T say how much", not "Can't say how much." He knows or could easily find out how much they were paid. It's called RECORDKEEPING!
Newt keeps claiming that he didnt lobby for Freddie, he offered them advice.....
Uhm Newt? Do you really want to claim that you gave them advice?
After reading most of the posts on this thread it is obvious that your bought and paid for media is doing a great job. Everyone that watches FOX is spouting out their lines on cue, everyone that watches CNN is doing the same.
Its comforting to know my fellow lemmings are so very good at their little lemming jobs.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Gharms, ah the evil media...
Gharms, and that is why Newt's recently unearthed ties to Freddie Mac is making headlines. My God, he doesn't even try to be clever about it. On one hand, he decries the connections of unnamed politicians to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, while he has made millions working for one of them, as an historian, of course, not a lobbyist.
That doesn't pass the smell test.
barney frank and chris dodd yes even your divider obama made millions off of fannie and freddie by the way is your dem, biast news letting you know about the millions of dollars in bonuses these idiots are giveing some of these exc.s while the whole time fredd, and fann. are wanting to borrow billions more from the tax payes after already over 140 billion payed out to them ,how can any reasonable person not want the pres. to give up all documents concerning solyndra, the reps have put out over twenty bills to increase jobs just to get shot down by the senate and here we got the pres and rich movie stars stopping over twenty thousand jobs with this pipeline . the only one stopping jobs is this pres.
carlyss man - What specific proof have you that Barney Fran, Chris Dodd or Barack Obama made millions off of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, or do you feel it is only necessary to toss around loud charges, but not to substantiate them with some semblance of facts?
Please, surprise me with you answer. Make it rational, fact-based and tie it to some creditable sources.
frnf admitted to it he also told amer. that these comp. s were strong to get people to invest ,and then they went down, he admitted out of his mouth when he and orielly got into it,mabe if you watched a little of all news instead of the lowest rated msnbc you might learn something,orielly is not no.one cable news show for 11 years because he is stupid, and did i miss any comment from you on the 140 billion dollar bailout,and the million dollar bonuses they are trying to pay out all the while requesting more billions fom the tax payers,If I did i apoogize,and i do wath other news channles just to be fair.
Who is frnf? Where and when did he admit to "it" and what was "it"?
I asked a very specific question,, where is your evidence that Barny Frank, Chris Dodd and Barak Obama "made millions off of fannie and freddie"?
Your response, is another unattributed, vague charge, coupled with an allusion that "orielly is not no one cable news show for 11 years because he is stupid" (??!).
Is he as smart as you?
BTW: A period is not just something a woman gets once a month. In English it is used to separate thoughts and improve readability. They are free. Please, take a couple and use them. Your writing gives me a headache.
Boris:
Yes, I truly believe Tea Party members are living off of social security or SSI and are advocating cutting off their own noses to spite their devotion to Faux News.
there were a series of contracts.
DAH!!!!! Look at the contracts Newt. The amount you were paid should be listed.
CarlySS - Is this the same O'reilly that said OWS was dead a day before 40,000 people turned up to march? ... or maybe the O'reilly that wrote in his book that Lincoln rode to the Ford Theatre in an automobile? What a joke... Turn the page and get a NEW life ... You know NOTHING of any true facts ... and you CERTAINLY arent going to get them by listening to Billo the Clown... geesh
When you make false accusations here, unlike faux news you will be questioned about them. Rush and Hannity can make all the lying statements they want, for they have no one to challenge them. You, not so lucky.
DA NOID'S CHALLENGE TO THE GOP - PART II
Since I don't seem to have any takers in First Thoughts this morning, I'll ask again here...
The question for the GOP...
WHO DO YOU SUPPORT IN THE FIGHT FOR THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION AND WHY?
Try your best not to trash the President in your explanation...I want to hear about your candidate's merits.
Round 2 has now begun.
All I hear Da Noid is crickets.
I'm going to give them a chance to answer.
"merits"- what's them????
Crickets still chirping
Da Noid,
This Republican supports Jon Huntsman, despite his apparent un-electability (but with the flavor of the week nature of this GOP campaign, who knows).
The man has many attributes and has a base of experience rendering him qualified. Don't have time this morning to provide a list of qualifications, but all that aside I believe what the country needs is a Republican leader who carries conservative values, but is able and willing to compromise. Out of anyone put forth by the GOP so far Jon Huntsman appears to be one who would.
You lost all the tea people republicans when you added merits to your Question Da Noid. If you would have said I want to hear about your candidates lies they'd be all over it.
Thank you for stepping up to the plate Mark!
I agree, Huntsman is the only qualified candidate...
Meanwhile, *crickets still chirping*
Mark -- Isn't it refreshing to hear that a candidate believes in science, global warming and a sound tax plan? ; )
Don't _carry,
Indeed it is.
Newt lost me in the '80s, specifically with his "Boy's Camp" proposal - save on warfare expenditures by having the government take custody of children who met certain criteria. As I recall he was rather instrumental in the ascendency of the Moral Majority as well.
Sorry, no help here. As a liberal democrat, I can't relate to any of them and I hate playing the "who I want to run against" game.
In 2008, I felt that the republicans would never nominate John McCain, and they did.
I have no feel for this field, outside of the opinion that none of them deserve to get near the White House, much like I felt about George W Bush, and looked what happened? :-)
Well done Mark. Huntsman does appear to be a good man.
Yup... as a GOP from the 1960's I like Huntsman... and that's probably why he doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected... the GOP is no longer sane....
Only qualified Republicans are Mitch Daniels and Colin Powell, and their wives won't let them run.
I'll agree w/ mark..Huntsman is the only candidate I would consider. but he lost me when he started with the "low taxes for the rich...", but maybe he thinks is the only way of getting the Republican nomination: go w/ the nuts..
Your question does deserve an answer, Da Noid, and that answer is "whomever gets nominated." I am sorry that I don't have a more interesting answer, but the media is bending the image of every candidate to its will, and directing the dialogue. I cannot say that ANY of us, Repubs and Dems alike, are getting a true and clear picture of the people that are in the pool. We are so divided by our views, ones that have been forced upon us by BOTH parties, that we are not even sure what we believe in. We simply regurgitate whatever dogma has been nailed into our brains by the party mouthpieces, and we have been so convinced that the other party is wrong that we cannot even form our own opinions.
I hear (or read, rather) all of the Conservative-bashing rhetoric, about how the 'tea people' are idiots, or the 'rebulidiots' or -clearly my favorite- 'repubes' are selfish and money-crazed, and how the 'democraps' want to steal from the rich and give to the poor -like the rediculously romanticized Robin Hood- or that 'socilist and democrat are interchangeable in this age' and I want to VOMIT!! I am a Conservative, I believe that the only place the federal government has ANY place in my life is when we are dealing with foreign entities, and that is as an ADVOCATE for me, my family, and anyone in their constituency. I believe that there is enough money in the tax revenues they receive to do that job, AND keep the defense of our country, AND the defense of our FREEDOMS secure with money to spare. The federal government has FAR over-stepped its bounds, and the divisive nature of polical parties has kept any of us from seeing eye-to-eye.
The REAL answer to your question, Da Noid, is-Herman Cain. I want a non-political person at the helm, one who has pulled a company from the brink of ruin (because even a child could see that is where WE as a COUNTRY are headed) successfully, and has the wits about him to TAKE US BACK TO PROSPERITY! All of the accusations against him were levelled only AFTER he took the lead in the polls, and that to me is suspect. Most of the Conservative base thinks the same thing. At least the last time I checked. I fear for the country under the leadership of Romney, almost as much as the current administration. But, fundamentally, I hate the fact that we have lost connection with our own intellect so much that we believe the lies of the media, and even our own parties. If we would just think for ourselves, we would find the answers. We cannot believe all of the slop that is being fed to us. It is time for us to look into the issues and decide what we REALLY think, not just what some other person or entity tells us to think.
We are not a collective, we are idividuals, and we were given free will and intelligence to make a difference in our own lives. USE YOUR BRAINS, PEOPLE. THINK FOR YOURSELVES FOR A CHANGE, AND DON'T LET SOME PARTY DO IT FOR YOU!!
Mark -- You said:
UGGG! Still makes me mad when I hear that phrase! ; )
Mark, you make perfect sense. For all your reasons, as a Democrat, I fear a Huntsman/Obama Campaign. The other TP/GOP book tour members, they would be a good laugh!
I concur with JaneDoe - Herman Cain.
The hammer and sicle mob is busy as he11 on this page..look at the top couple of likes. Too bad Freddie didn't follow Newts advice, the country wouldn't be bankrupt.......
Judging by results mabey fanny or freddie ought to get their consulting fees back from ol Newt but that seems to be the GOP norm that its ok to pay your CEO's and consultants top dollar no matter how bad they do........
Almost every candidate that the repubs have put up and made flavor of the week have lied in one way or another. Why would this country need a liar in office right now, didn't we learn anything from GW's lies?
Since all of you do not get it. Let me draw you a picture about Professional Self Serving Politicians.
Demoncraps 8==>o US Citizens.
Repugnants 8==>o US Citizens.
In Depends (Adult Diapers) 8==>o US Citizens.
Scrotums (Tea Party aka Baggers) 8==>o US Citizens.
And why is that. Because they sell their Souls to those that will give them Campaign Money. And because the US Citizens (that they do not know personally) are inconsequential (too busy Fighting among themselves, like the Middle East "Tribes") they sell your arse off in a heart beat.
DA NOID'S CHALLENGE TO THE GOP - PART II
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1. Newt -- he is smart, understands foreign policy, debates well, and has been Speaker of the House
2. Santorum -- not a fool, Senate record to run on, strong on family values
3. Hunstman -- (lonely pick), but he understands China, and I would like to find out more about him. The Press largely ignores H.
4. Ron Paul -- I'm not a Libertarian, but if he gets the nod, would vote for him.
There you go Noid, the best of the field (Greg's opinion) as of 11/16/2011.
I'll take a few seconds out of my life to interject at this point. Short of another Republican being elected, I would beg any and all of you to not vote for a Democrat or Republican and focus on 3rd parties. But it may not be quite time for that yet because it may let a Republican back in office. I'm not using my vote to cast it against someone because I don't like them. So, either I don't vote, or I vote for a 3rd party...conundrum...
As what some would call a Blue Dog Democrat, if I had to choose one, I'd go for Huntsman. Can't say I would agree with JaneDoe about Cain. Running a country is far different than running a company and while one may posess strengths in running a company, those strengths don't necessarily play out well when dealing with Government issues. For example, a company does not have a "Defense Department" to protect itself but the government does. Companies are not interested in the educating of it's employees, they expect them to already be educated for the most part. Companies do not help employees with housing or energy. The leader of a company (CEO) does not have to make decisions on matters of national security. These are but a few of the differences between running a country and a company.
Then there is the mention of listening to the media. Most of us need to start with not listening to those paid to influence you, such as O'Reilly or Hannity on Fox or Maddow or Schultz on MSNBC. Stick with those who only report the news without their opinion. There are those in the media out there, you just have to look for them.
As far as the candidates, listen to not only their answers but how then answer the question. Too many times a politician will answer without actually answering the question, saying something that makes a good sound bite but has little to no substance concerning the topic of the asked question. Steer clear of anyone who deflects the question by starting out telling you why another would be the problem. Michelle Bachmann does this quite often if you really listen to her.
The fact is that most the candidates on the Republican side have very few ideas of their own. Many are re-hashed attempts of ideas tried in the past that have failed. They dress up these ideas by using different words, explaining them differently than has been done in the past.
Government control of everything is also not the way to go. There should be a balance but the problem is too many on both sides always want more. It's really a shame too because America could really be a stronger country by working together instead of tearing apart. Too many anymore have the "What's in it for me" attitude instead of "What's in everyone's best interests". If we continue on this path, I guarantee this country will fall as other strong nations in the past fell.
@ ANYONE who knows:
What is 8==>o ??????
I'm too old for this and my kids aren't around.
Thank ya"ll!
Durr lets all have a pissing contest to declare how much less of a failure Obama is to any Republican. That should make us feel better for voting for that failure again!
This is the American mindset now. Isn't that fun?
PS - If you think Obama is gonna win again, you're delusional....and that should be the scary thing you're all dealing with......whoever the Republicans nominate will win....unless it's Bachtard.....no one can help her.
What were obamas merits when he was installed as president? Not even the crickets would stay for that empty answer.
boris... This is inappropriate, but I'll tell ya so that you know. That is a symbol for sexual intercourse...lol I don't know another way to put it...
The only problem is that Huntsman is not kookie enough for the TEApublicans to accept. Certainly as an Independent I could consider him for the presidency. In order I would consider Huntsman then Gingrich then Romney. After them the rest of the field are a bunch of kooks and I would consider any Democrat over them. Even Dennis Kucinich
@ Gharms
I believe it's you who is delusional. None of the candidates are presidential material and we Independents would rather have the status quo than a nut job in the White House.
rwalker-2504195,
THANK YOU. You don't have to put it any other way... I can use my imagination.
Seriously, maybe I'm too old for "chat'-type things, even tought I'm not yet 60.
Wow. Now I'm I happy I didn't ask my daughter!
Mark, I don't think Huntsman is unelectable. I do think he is un-nominateable (pretty sure that's not a real word). I don't think he can get the Republican nomination, which is too bad for the Republicans, because I think he is the only Republican who can beat President Obama. Forget Cain, Perry, Newt, etc.. Mitt might be able to give him a run for his money, but I don't think he'd win.
And Gharms, you are delusional. Let me remind you, Republicans don't elect presidents and Democrats don't elect presidents, independents elect presidents. We are the swing. And the only two Republican contenders that appeal to independents much at all are Mitt and Jon Huntsman.
Boris. Google 8=0 and click on the Urban Dictionary to get a better idea.
Larry-2260635,
Again, TY.
I did google "[the expression]" and got nothing.
It's not easy being a "cool" dad nowadays!
Da Noid--I think Jon Huntsman would be the best Republican candidate. However, b/c he's not a walking carnival sideshow like Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, or Herman Cain, he's really ignored by the media. Which is a shame. He's got good plans (in general), he has experience with foreign policy due to being past ambassador to China.
I think if Huntsman gets the nomination, he really could give Obama a good run for the Presidency. Although you have media who have virtually crowned Romney as the nominee, it's still a bit early yet. One doesn't know what could happen until the Republican convention.
Will he get the nomination? Probably not. If Mitt Romney does, it would be good to see Huntsman on the ticket as VP--but then the evangelical Christians will have fits over both of them being Mormon. The same comments about their religious beliefs were also said about JFK in 1960, b/c he was Catholic.
RowanMoon-3965511,
Unless some out-of-nowhere moderate GOP candidate arrives, I'm going with Obama for sure. In truth, (can we agree?) he's so much better than Dubya.
I think all of the USA would be well served by a REAL contest. So far, the GOP is just sending in the "tease" horse....
Boris, again you have to use Google.com (Not Bing nor Yahoo although Ask will bring it up down a couple) the numbers (no letters) 8=0
Larry-2260635,
Uh, thanks again?
I didn't mean anything political or sexual, OK?
Got it (as I said before). Drop it? (Pleases? -- I'm not into that.)
" ... This Republican supports Jon Huntsman, ... "
This Liberal doesn't. But ....
He is just about the only adult in the bunch running as a Republican. And he's one that I would be more then willing to listen to as he makes his arguments. Then take what he has said and decide based on that.
There is another Republican that is running, but that we have never seen at any of the debates. His name escapes me at the moment. But there is another one out there. He's another adult.
And it is possible, not likely, not at all likely. That I could vote for him. Because you see, just because I'm a Liberal, doesn't mean that I can't vote for a Republican. It means that I can and will vote for the PERSON that I feel is most qualified. And is most likely to represent the people who elected him. That would be you and I.
All I ask of Republicans/Conservatives, is that you bring an adult to the party. Not some bat@!$%# crazy person. That's not to much to ask. Is it?
" ... What were obamas merits when he was installed as president? ... "
It seems that this answer works for Republicans/Conservatives so it should work for a Liberal ....
Anyone but McCain.
Obamas merits this time?
He's not < insert Republican/Conservative flavor of the week here >!
That answer your question to your satisfaction?
Now for something completely different.
He was and still is the better of the 2 choices that we had. 3'rd Party was/is not an option. Of the present choices? He still is the better choice.
Maybe not the best choice. But neither party is putting that person up for our consideration. The best person is not running for the job. And I have no clue who that person is. But I know, with great certainty, that they are not one of the people running as a Republican.
Jane Doe - Sorry, I can't agree with you. The evil media has not caused, not one, but several Republicans to implode; their own actions, their own words or their failure to speak have been totally unprompted and relate only to their own innate qualities.
Cain, whom you hold in such high regard, has repeatedly shown an inability to think on his feet, or the answer any question regarding recent world events in a sensible manner. His latest Libya-gaffe, allegedly brought on by lack of sleep, was scary and sad to watch. It was not the evil media which caused the video of this moment to go viral on the internet; one cannot control such things. If the year were 1962, and the Soviets were busy constructing missile sites in Cuba, would you really want this man at the top of our nation's chain of command? Not I.
Rick Parry seems equally limited mentally. How can anybody lose track of their own talking points in the midst of a political debate?
Michele Bachmann is a rigid ideologue, who values adherence to conservative theory over the day to day and long term health of the country. She also thinks the Revolutionary War started in New Hampshire. Details, details.
Newt Gingrich, is everything he accuses his opponents of being, two-faced, corrupt ...and worst of all inept. How he ever gained the reputation of being an intellectual giant is beyond me.
Huntsman, I know little about. I wouldn't discount his chances or his abilities at this point. But until he actually makes a strong showing in a primary, a straw poll, or even a Gallup poll, he remains a big question mark.
So, in partial answer to Da NOid's question, the only GOP candidate whom I think could make a descent president, is Romney. He'll never be the darling of the arch-conservatives, and he does change his political coloring in the blink of an eye. But he was governor of my state for one term, and he was a reasonably competent chief executive. He has Mass-Healthcare-Reform (Obamacare-Lite) for which to apologize. However, nobody with a history in office has not espoused or championed a few laws which proved to be an embarrassment.
...anybody but Cain ...or Perry ...or Bachmann ...or Gingrich.
Where did Obama get his money? He got money from our country as a foreign student to go to school, even though no one has stepped forward and said they knew him in school, now he has millions? I'm sure a community organizer doesn't make that kind of money. Well, he lived in Chicago, I guess that pretty well explains everything. Chicago thugs have connections.
If anyone needs to explain their earnings, Obama does. He was elected president when no one knew anything about his past and three years later it is still all kept a well paid for secret from the public.
The BIG question is, how much money has Obama gotten from kick backs and how many bank accounts does he and Michelle really have?
Mr. Newt Gingrich is the only candidate that has experience, intelligence, plans and ideas that will get us and our country back on track. He is the one person Obama doesn't want to have a debate against because he knows Mr. Gingrich will expose him as the fraud he is.
Mr. Newt Gingrich - President in 2012.
According to the Bloomberg Report:
"The president's tax return for 2010, released April 18, showed that he had a total adjusted gross income of $1.7 million and paid $453,770 in federal income taxes. Most of his income came from royalties paid on his books -- "Dreams From My Father," a memoir, and "The Audacity of Hope," which outlines his political philosophy."
Not only did Obama make his money legitimately, but he paid taxes on it as well!
And Gingrich is a liar, a cheat, and a thief, too. Hope this helps!
Sailcat
The fact is Obama has never done anything legitimately. He borrowed money from our country as a foreign student. Meaning, he was not a citizen of our country, meaning, he was not qualified to become president of our country.
The income you mention does not pertain to the bank accounts he may have in Switzerland or offshore banks. You will never know the real truth about the smoke and mirrors man. Whatever he is paying to keep hidden from the public must be a real humdinger. One thing for sure is that his intent from the beginning was to destroy us and our country. He has done a darn good job of it so far. A little more time and he will complete his goal.
"...he may have in Switzerland..."
You have no facts, only fantasies and lies, Rangewolf. You know nothing at all.
Still, you think Newt would make a qualified candidate when he would pretend he can't remember anything about the money he took from Freddie. I'd say your posts say far more about you than they do about anything else, range.
I would ask you if you ever are ashamed of yourself, but the answer is self evident.
If it weren't for fantasy and fiction, the Republican party wouldn't have a platform. They make up crap, then quote their crap and then wonder why we don't BUY their crap.
Newt Gingrich isn't smart enough to quit when he's ahead. He wants MORE power, MORE money and shamelessly MORE stooges in his army (sic geddon).
Fool me once, shame on you - I can't get fooled again.
Well Rangewolf, if we are using random speculation, without evidence, why stop with the "bank accounts he may have in Switzerland or offshore banks"? Why not ask about his imaginary connections to the Russian Mafia, the Crypts, or is it the Bloods, and don't forget his illegal interests in Iranian oil fields.
Speculation is fun. We can all amuse ourselves with "what if" and "might be true" scenarios. But at some point one has to tie one's speculations back to some demonstrable facts.
When you can do so regarding Obama's illicitly gotten wealth, I promise I'll be ready to listen.
...if I live so long.
dman
It is a fact that Obama was friends with the Black Panther's leader, Malcom X.. I'm sure the Dems
would prefer that the public wasn't aware of some of Obama's relationships that have been made public.
What information is he paying so much for to be kept a secret? The Dems will do whatever it takes for
their flawed messiah to be re-elected, including fraudulent acts at the election polls.
Rangewolf, you idiot. Malcolm X died in 1965. Obama was born in 1961. You are trying to tell us those two were in cahoots together until Obama was four years old. Does that seem a little extreme, even to your fevered mind? Not to mention that Malcolm X was not a Black Panther at all but a Muslim minister associated with the Nation of Islam.
Rangewolf, you are so dishonest, not to mention stupid, that you have absolutely no credibility at all. Shame.
Oh dear God. Rangewolf...get a grip. Obama was I think, two years old when Malcum X died in 1965. Maybe he was playing on his lap but I doubt he can remember it but I thought he was in Keyna anyway. Get a freaking grip.
Ranhgewolf - I'm not sure where you are getting your "facts", but Malcom-X was never a Black Panther. That organization was founded in 1966, the year AFTER Malcom-X was assassinated, in 1965, purportedly by the followers of the Elijah Mohamed, the leader of the Black Muslims. Malcom-X had been a member of that organization, but had left because of its overtly racist doctrines.
At the time of Malcom-X's death, Barrack Obama, who was born in 1961, would have been approximately 4 years old, and that is a fact.
Does this make you wonder how many of your other "facts" regarding Obama are just based on rumor and lies?
Probably not.
For Dan-475751. You try to sound as fair and balanced and if don't pay attention, this guy might sell you a donkey and try to tell you he s9old a race horse. Putting the fixnews network on equal footing with MSNBC, meant to me at least, that you are like Obama trying to appease the racists from tea partiers, fixnews network. MSWNBC maight not be an oasis of journalism, but then again, journalism a la Walter Cronkite doesn't exist any more. The only one who could carry that torch is, could be Keith Olbermann, because when he reports the news, he tells it like it is and he lets the chips fall on whoever, whenever. The fixnews network never tells the truth. Actually, America is as fond of the truth, as Hitler of the Jews, otherwise, if fair and balanced were the North of journalism, wouldn't they had questioned the retard pervert from Texas about taking this nation to war on false pretenses? Would the media, true journalism, would have played dead and allowed his administration demolished whatever moral values were left? The NYT, hindsight is 20/20, was also scared of the bottom line, ergo, they rather f9olded to the forces of evil than exposing, as it was their duty, defend us as the fourth power of those evil forces, but no, everybody folded like cowards. Even though MSNBC was paeto of those cowards, still you lose credibility when you put both in the same sentence, with i9mplication that one is no different than the other and that is a lie. I have never heard, when I used to watch them when Keith (Olbermann formed part of them, I never heard one lie. The fixnews network haven't said one truth ever. But to be fair, I don't watch them, but when I'm passing through the dial, I do notice that lies are their daily bread. In penitence, I demand an apology for MSNBC and once they accept your apology, I want you to say five Hail Marys and five Our Fathers in atonement for your comment.
IF anybody is fluent in gibberish and decipher the above post, please respond.
I've read it twice and am still unsure whether he is attacking Republicans, Democrats, Fox News, or MSNBC.
Let's ask him when he sobers up.
For dman that seems he can't spot a typo from gibberish. The media, for most part, when it's obvious that a word is missing, they put the word within parethesis and how they decipher that theory of relativity? By following the idea. Since it is obvious that when some one can't handle the heat, they attack, how convenient, the messenger. Now, I know that you are not a rocket scientist, but I didn't think, either, that you couldn't see the forest from the trees.
First of all, I used to watch MSNBC, when they had Mr Olbermann and I never ever heard any of their "journalists" tell a lie, ergo, dan was wrong in comparing a fixnews network with MSNBC. That said, I didn't mean or implied that MSNBC is an oasis of the truth, but they are as close to the truth as it's possible in this "Christian and democratic" nation, specially when our media is in the hands of special interests as it happens with our government. Let's recap, fixnews networtk=lies. MSNBC does not equal lies, but they do have to watch their bottom line and this is so, that they had to make Olbermann leave to appease the moral lynchers of our "fair and balanced" media.
Now let's talk about the other theory of relativity and please, for the future, don't forget this: If it's wrong, criminal, I'll be there criticizing whoever and whenever any party spins the facts. I used to be a republican, but once the Bush dynasty came to power, I left that neo-nazi, mentally challenged party, including those paid Alzheimer's crowd called tea partiers, just as mentally challenged, just as racist. I didn't vote for democrats until the retard pervert tried and obviously succedeed stealing the 2004 elections, once again, but this time in Ohio. Then is when I became part of the democrats, but I also had to part company because, even though, I voted for Obama, he wasn't my candidate. I've waited on line for over three hours because he, the candidate, had said: No one is above the law or that other baloney: Waterboarding is torture and that other baloney about Guantanamo, or single payer health care, or that about ending the wars. I hope you get my drift, but I can't list all "accomplishments" of Obama, because then I would list the same "failed policies" that candidate Obama said about Bush, mr Retard pervert from Texas.
As, I hope, now you can see, I'm an independent, because I'm a firm believer that country has to be above politics. I wasn't born a slave, either literary or figuratively speaking, ergo I always choose law and order, but not with the American meaning, but what the civilized world understand as law and order.
I've tried, with my two fingers, not to make too many mistakes, but I think you also seem to me you have a bone to pick, not with my gibberish, but with the content of the commentary. You sound a tea partier that proclaims to care for the Constitution and applaud every damn time this "Christian and democratic" nation violates every law in the books and you somehow remind me of them. I usually don't take this long, but extreme circumstances, call for extremes measures. I think you are a tea partier trying to pass as "fair and balanced?"
I surely hope you, this time, can understand my gibberish; if not, I think your problem is deeper than I can handle or try to resolve. But, then again, that is your problem, isn't? Now, let me put that sentenced you copied and now that I'm taking my time in putting the words that you couldn't figure out.
This is waht I tried to say, but I was going to fast. Here it goes and later don't comeback and said that you didn't understand it either, because then I would have to say: What you call gibberish, I call too close for comfort and many don't take too kind when truth is spoken. "You try to sound fair and balanced and if I don't pay attention, this guy might sell you a donkey and try to tell you he sold you a race horse." Get it now? Or is still the theory of relativity? If yes, I give up. Your problem might be more upstairs and common sense, specially for tea partiers becomes a Herculean effort. BTW, take the other clown with you to the next class. Something tells me English comprehension or for that matter plain English was not your forte.
Considering how each GOP/TP candidate is put through the neocon "PURITY TEST," I'll have to say that the candidate that get the nod is the one that says he speaks to God the most, and is able to convince enough large blocs of right-wing Christian fundamentalists voters in the southern states, as to how "moral" he or she is.
Gingritch has too much baggage from all the crap he pulled as deposed House Speaker in Congress back in the 90's; although he is articulate, he continuously proves he lacks ethics. For example, his latest lie that he didn't do any lobbying, but now he admit he did, as a, richly "paid advisor."
Bachmann? Don't get me started with her; she avoids fact-checking her verbal statements enough to make me suspect that she is mentally off.
Cain? I suspect that the man's already lost the votes of most of the women in the U.S.
Paul? He's articulate, but he only has single-digit support of some on the far-right that loudly agree with his isolationist ideas and his ideas of dismantling some of the federal government
Huntsman? Articulate, strong on foreign policy, believes in science and evolution, practices the art of negotiation and compromise -- but he would fail the 'purity test" because the Tea Party says he's not a regressive, radical right-winger, but a right-leaning centrist, like Romney. That is of course, if you agree with the evaluations of the Tea Party.
Unfortunately, I haven't heard any news that Jesus the Christ has chosen any GOP candidate as His Favorite, unless you count televangelist Pat Robertson that says that he is, and Rick "The Rapture" Perry that wants to end the government and turn it into a theocracy to improve his chances of becoming physically immortal while rising up to heaven.
Mormons like Romney the Flip-Flopper prays a lot to God too, so he may end up becoming the GOP's choice at the Republican National Convention -- even though that overpaid hate-radio host, Rush Limbaugh, says he isn't a, "true conservative." Romney does sound like he has a presidential demeanor in his explanations in most of the Republican Debates, and he does have a great deal of campaign money backing him, as well as some named endorsements by other Republican governors, ...so I figure Romney's going to end up being the final pick for the GOP in 2012, even though he's far from being the favorite choice of the Tea Party membership within the GOP.
Meanwhile, every two weeks, the GOP/TPers keep playing musical chairs as to who sits in popularity in their polls. How long do you think that will last until another competitor in the GOP Race starts throwing more accusations that'll stick against the current favorite on the top of the hill? Then he in turn, will be replaced by another.
Basically, the Dems don't have to do much of anything substantial at this point in the campaigning game to shoot down these GOP candidates in the public limelight, save to check their false and frequent right-wing accusations to blame President Obama for every problem they themselves caused. So give these Republican Presidential Candidates enough rope, and they will hang themselves or engage in a circular firing squad for all the mistakes they make along the way to the November 2012 Elections...
Well, E=m*c2 to you too.
The media does sometimes supply dropped words from the public utterances of public figures or important witnesses. Usually they are quoting the spoken word, not a written statement. Journalists and others desiring to be understood, take a moment or two in composing their message to ensure that it is written clearly and is not a hodgepodge of sentence fragments, half-formed thoughts and fractured metaphors.
I try to ignore an occasional missed word. But your stream of consciousness drivel was beyond deciphering. I may be unable to see the forest for the trees; but I can discern the difference between trees and weeds.
BTW: I'm far from being either a Republican or a habitual watcher of FOX News. But sloppy thinking and irresponsible attacks offend me.
That is because he [Romney] is not psychotic or lacking a cerebral cortex. As is often the case, I'm not enamored of any of the possible candidates, on either side of the political spectrum. But the only ones who don't scare me are Obama, Romney and Huntsman.
Can you imagine the Cuban Missile Crisis or the 9/11 attacks occurring with either Perry, Cain or Bachmann at the helm. Not pretty is it?
I agree. I believe the shifting, up and down fortunes of the other candidates is symptomatic of the deep vein of anger and mistrust running through our society. The same emotions are present in both the Tea Party and the Occupy Wall Street movements, but with different underlying ideologies.
To those who think that Obama is going to be defeated, to whom and where do I send the "crow" dinners?
Yeah, sure Newt, whatever.
I have a master degree in history. Why doesn't anyone pay me millions to tell them about how to handle mortgages?
Especially when Mr. Gingrich's specialty was education in the Belgian Congo!
Really. If so then you would have done Historical Research into the US Laws that I mentioned at post#1.78. Then thousands of USDs would have gotten you Millions, Millions would have gotten you Billions, etc. as to how the $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion USD "Global Economic Crisis" started consisting of the "Mortgage Crisis", "Wall Street Crisis", "Financial Crisis", "Banking Crisis", "Credit Crisis", etc. (same sh!t that occurred prior to and during the 1929-1939 Great Depression).
Ask yourself why are we repeating the same mistakes prior to previous Depressions and expecting different Results. You would want to Idealistically Academically (not Real World) want to believe that the Self Serving Professional Politicians of All Parties did not make money hand over fist because of what they did (eliminated the US Laws mentioned at Post#1.78).
(p) I have a master degree in history. Why doesn't anyone pay me millions to tell them about how to handle mortgages?
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P, I suppose that was a rhetorical question. However, since I am sometimes tone deaf to irony, the "rhetorical answer" is that you were never Speaker of the House and Newt was. It is sort of like in the movie Forest Gump, when Bubba asked Gump what happened and Gump said "you got shot". When people leave cush jobs in Washington, they get paid enormous $$$ to consult -- both parties. It is very definitely an "insiders game".
If I remember right, Newt was ask to resign by his own party.
Interesting...you can pull some crap out of you arse from 1914 in a heartbeat in an attempt to apply it today. You can raddle off what you claim are your 'accomplishments' during your tenure in Washington, but you are unable to 'know' how much money you and/or your firm made from an extended relationship you had with an Institution that you otherwise speak about of as though you hate it?
Soooo, every meeting you had with Freddie had all these top dogs sitting around a table listening to you recount the events of the last 100 years of American History and listen to you recite your vast array of knowledge of European History in which you have a PH.D in...only to then write you multiple $300K checks and say 'thanks but no thanks for the lessons Mr. Speaker. We will not be taking into account anything you have said to us today, but we would like to schedule you for another $300k roundtable session next week, in which we will pay you and not take that advice either'.
Is that how it went down....
You should you need it!!!
Allen -there a problem with Gingrich consulting? What's the big deal?
Where are your posts on Obama and Energy pressing for Solyndra funding and for the delay in Solyndra's financial announcement until after the 2010 midterms?
I'm an independent voter who can see right through your blue tinted glasses - just like many others on the board. It's amazing just how crooked the current White House is - and how it's taking the U.S. down a path of destruction and record debt. But you cling to a report about consulting fees - only because Gingrich is a conservative. Wow! We won't hold our breath for your Obama, DOJ, Fast and Furious, Solyndra - pick a scandal - posts.
I would be willing to bet that most people on this board cannot tell exactly where every penny they have earned over any given 10-year period without checking their financial records. This is a non-issue. I, too, am an independant and I'm glad to see Mr. Gingrich in the running because despite all the dirty laundry in his background, he's being honest about it. I find it easier to trust someone who admits to being human even if I don't agree with his politics.
OMG here we go with @!$%#ing Solyndra again. You guys are really going to beat this dead horse until it's a bloody pulp aren't you? A god damn solar company went under after receiving 500 million in federal investment. It happens, especially when we have to compete with China and all it's bull@!$%#. It's being investigated for fraud as well. The amount of @!$%# the President has to do on a daily basis, and you're calling him corrupt because one company he supported went under? Like he should have been their financial adviser as well as President of the United States? Ever notice how quickly Presidents age once they're in office? I'm sure it has nothing to do with stress.
Lobbying without registering is against the law. Go Newt! Go to jail.
I don't have a problem with Gingrich working as a consultant, lobbyist, whatever. That's where politicians who were forced to resign go after they rape the citizens while in office. My problem with him is the lying he is now doing. He honestly wants people to believe he worked as a "historian". You weren't ashamed to take the check - don't lie about it now. If you were so concerned about this 'bubble', after you took your check for your historical input, why didn't you warn all the homebuyers out there of your vast knowledge. I didn't hear one single word from him. That is the problem with this guy. His greed and dishonesty
@jake
Tony Rezko land deal a 1 million dollar piece of land subdivided into two parcels one sold to Zero for 100k the other left unuseable both pieces function as an extended yard for the one.
Payoff for zer0 helping Tony land rights to build ramshackle slums.
Your boy is as corrupt as they come and so is everyone tied to his apron strings.
Duke Cunningham is serving time in the slammer for far less in value.
Rebecca-302136,
"I would be willing to bet that most people on this board cannot tell exactly
where every penny they have earned over any given 10-year period [went?
came from? uhh?] without checking their financial records."
Oh, Rebecca, I'll take that bet as long as we make it "every penny the earned over" ...$300,000!
I've gotta work years to make that much money total!
Rebecca-302136,
REBECCA??? Where did you go? Don't want to accept the bet? (I guess if, you make a lot of money, maybe you can't remember where it allllll comes from.)
Me, I'm part of the 99%. And I vote.
Jake2509 - This is the birthers mental midgets " rant du jour"! Its what the faux news zombies do and they obviously couldn't care less what anyone else thinks because their forced fed thought process is considered "de rigueur"! Unfortunately, their du jour becomes millennial.
OMG - all these candidates are just a joke or a fraud - just like me.
Signed - Willard M. Romney
I find it amazing how many of the Republican candidates have memory issues. I am sure it must have been all those drugs they did before they became compassionate conservatives.
Whats even funnier is how Democraps can pass laws and start lawsuits even though they don't know what a particular law staes because they never read it. Or how Queen Nancy can say pass the Healthcare Act and we will fiqure out what it says later.
Now at least we know where Newt got the money to pay for his Tiffany account!
Oh PLEASE let the Republican nominee be NEWT!! --He has so many scandals and skeletons in his closet (like this one) that he'll go down in flames faster than the Hindenburg. (or Koch-Cain & Perry)
;D
You really want four more years of Obama? The country will be toast.
And tallk about skeletons - Solyndra, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, countless Fed lawsuits against states across the nation, really too many scandals to post, Boeing in South Carolina....pick one.
I cannot from any of your posts understand how you would call yourself an independent. I like to think of independents as level headed. All I see from you are attacks on our president. Did you vote for him? Do you have no problem voting split on a ticket, some checks on the left, some on the right. Although I don't know you, I doubt it.
I was an "independent" too, until I owned up to the fact that most of my ideals classified me as a democrat. I think a lot of people say they are independent, one to avoid all of the phone calls and mailers and two to not have to admit a party affiliation. As a democrat, I can agree with many republican tenants, however, those tenants are not in play in this election cycle (or any in recent memory). For a centrist country, we sure have a lot of people that want to go to extremes.
My question for you is, fine, our current state of affairs is not great, but given the past 30 years of republican and democrat administrations, can you honestly tell me that another republican administration would make it better? I would doubt it. Ask Newt Gingrich, he is a history guy...
Well, scandals and skeletons don't necessiarly keep a person from being elected, case in point: Richard Nixon, Ronald Regan, George Bush, Sr, Bill Clinton, and George Bush, Jr. I guess most voters are like me, what scandal is the worst and affects me the most. The healthcare bill is great for me and the business I work in (we really love our patients and think everyone should have access to the same quality of care), Solyndra is bad because if it works it will make the oil industry close to bankrupt - especially if we can buy electric cars and charge them up to our windmill powered electricity in our own homes, fast and furious is just a continuation of the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place. Boeing in South Carolina, please, South Carolina is so used to scandal's I'm sure unless it affects the very wealthy it is hardly noticiable there.
It realy has more to do with what a candidate believes in and how it will affect me and my working class family (sorry, I don't give a tinkler's damn about the wealthy or management).
Yes they want four more years of Obama. They want to take this nation down and make it their Utopia. They believe so much in his Socialist agenda they will sell their very own souls. Yet you still blame Bush. It is sad that none of you can take responsibility for your actions or inaction. You had control of the House and the White House. Yet you still managed to do nothing. Now because the Republicans want to see responsible governing like balancing the budget, reducing spending, and bringing sanity back to our government. How can you defend this. When all of us here has to balance our own check books. We have to cut back when we can't afford things. Or do you do what the government has done. Go out and spend more money upon bad money. Oh I get it! Lets go spend what we have and get drunk or high so we can forget about our problems. Hmm look at the Occupy Wallstreet types. Drugs, Crime, littering, unlawfulness at every corner. Disrespecting the Police and the General public all in the name of Freedom. These are what you call progressive leaders. Forget it I will move to Israel if this nation votes for Obama again.
Not all of us just opened our eyes when Obama became President. We know exactly why and how and when this recession started. (Really?? Channeling Richard Nixon about those "unlawfullness" big bad protestors to distract from the days news about one of your Republican lightweights imploding yet AGAIN?? Is that working for you yet??) Better pack you bags...(and there you may learn just what consequences come with a right wing reactionary leading the government).
Hey Sword, what's your opinion about Newt? You left that out somewhere. LMAO
Sword, so move to Israel. Sounds like things are great over there right now. I love people that talk like that. If you don't like it here, move. No one is keeping you "fenced" in, unlike that pesky Israel/ Palestine issue. You won't move, you just like hyperbole. Your argument is awesome, you would ace a republican debate...provide a list of complaints, but no solution to issues you know little about.
TheSwordNPen79,
You know what would shut most of these people up.
"Who Is John Galt". (Read Ayn Rand's 1957 Book, "Atlas Shrugged").
You would also believe that most of the Idealistic Academic (no Real World Experience) types would have read the warnings of Kurt Vonnegut's 1961 Book "Harrison Bergeron". "Great Recession" (close to the Depression the US is currently in), "Equality Riots/Demonstrations" (what Occupy Wall Street is doing), "Equality Laws" (make everyone 100% Equal like the Demoncraps keep saying).
My "opinion" based on having been a US Military Congressional Liaison Officer is they are a bunch of Self Serving Professional Politicians (regardless of Political Party).
US Politicians 8==>o US Citizens
I am John Gault...
If I were Obama I would personally be contributing the maximum amount allowed to Newt, Rick, and Herman...but, thank God, I could save my money because the Koch Brothers and all the other John Birch Society ideologues who have disguised themselves as Tea Party supporters, are giving them all the money they need.
Read the John Birch Society manifesto, "The Blue Book" and you will be reading the Tea Party Platform...wake up America!!! You are so busy chasing GOP bogeymen you are not seeing the real theft going on...it is your country...
Whenever Ayn Rand is invoked, you know it's time to hide the silver and start putting Thorazine in the water glasses... What a weird old gasbag that one was. Ayn's great if you're 14 and fretting about the implications of being the most important individual in the world, but she's the literary equivalent of identifying with a reality star.
Melissa-
That's the most accurate description of Ayn Rand I ever heard. Awesome!
The spokes person from Fanny Mae said they were collecting politicians ...so he was bought and paid for !
You wanna talk about Fannie Mae, talk about Franklin Raines, the obama supporter that took $90Million from Fannie when he left, but, since he funded campaigns for frank, dodd and obama that made it GREAT in the eyes of f--king dimwits!!
This just reinforces my belief that both parties cooperated to inflate the housing bubble. I doubt if any of them saw it coming, regardless of their level of education in history. They probably all believed that real estate prices would go up forever, providing infinite funds for the crooked appraisers, mortgage brokers, homeowners who used "equity" as a piggybank, condo flippers, financial brokers and banks who securitized and traded mortgage fantasy paper, prostitute bond-raters, etc. leading to the nirvana of 100% homeownership and an economy based on buying and selling fairytales. It's worse than the Dutch tulip mania.
Hey, I agree with you but, don't drag the Dutch into this mess!!
Mailman: The total fees generated by Wall Street, the big banks, the mortgage and real estate brokers selling subprime mortgages as triple A rated securities (aka a financial orgy) amounted to somewhere between a quarter and one-half a trillion dollars. You don't really believe that such a paltry amount is enough to compromise the ethics of our MBAs, knowing that they would not be prosecuted.
According to Fox News is was gays and blacks trying to stop redlining (refusal to lend to qualified borrowers in minority neighborhoods) that caused this whole mess. And you KNOW that Fox News, owned by Rupert Murdoch, would never lie for a couple of paltry billion dollars.
True that people have been known to kill for just a million, but inflation has driven up the price.
Ken, you really have not a clue. I was in the real estate business thought this mess and Fox News is correct. There was a lot of money lent to barley breathing buyers on the assumption that the real estate would appreciate so fast that a buyer would barley have to make a payment and he could flip the property for 20-30% profit. This was mainly east coast/ west coast mentality. You will notice that Texas did not see the huge appreciations nor the huge decline that California and Florida have. A lot of the paper was rated AAA because the banks were not allowed to rate a mortgage by location or race. Historically Blacks have a much higher foreclosure rate than other races. Facts are facts. There are certain people who should not be given a mortgage or a credit card for that matter.
Why is it that in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that a particular Idea does not work, liberals still want it jammed down our throats.
Obama's handling of the economy by spending our way out of debt is not and never will work, but you libs just keep hoping some of it will trickle down to you....This is trickle up POVERTY.
san anton: boy, talk about clueless. In your world there's no wall street? No speculation? No derivatives? No bundling, buying, repackaging and selling mortgages? Why is it inspite of every piece of evidence right there in front of you, conservative reactionaries still want to deny, deny, deny--just want to jam down our throats that the problem is that "the little people" are getting uppity again. Cutting and slashing, dividing and demonizing and all the trickle down nonsense in the world will not save you this time. No body is buying what you're selling.
AP-1414066,
Who legalized all the crap, that caused the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion USD "Global Economic Crisis" consisting of the "Mortgage Crisis", "Wall Street Crisis", "Financial Crisis", "Banking Crisis", "Credit Crisis", etc. (same sh!t that occurred prior to and during the 1929-1939 Great Depression).
You want hints. No I will not spoon feed you and someone else will have to change your diapers later. (I am Goating you on to do your own Research).
So you all get it clear, the housing debacle was started by Clinton with his 1995 "National Homeownership Strategy" to improve homeownership in America, he got Cisneros at HUD to coordinate Fannie and Freddy to accept subprime loans.
Go to a web site called "The Affordable Mortgage Depression" and get some education. In addition, there was the passing of the Republican sponsored bill, the Gramm Leach Bliley Act which allowed the merger of Insurance Co, or Bank Holding companies in 1999. Bill Clinton gladly signed the bill, go read his signing speech, both speaches, the official issued one and the recorded one where he thanks all his staff, including Bob Ruben.
I noticed that Clintons Treasury Secretary, Robert Ruben, X Goldman Sachs executive got a great job at Citigroup after this legislation passed making a total of 140 million.. If the Republicans were so responsible for the GLB Act, then why did a Liberal treasury Secretary get all the financial rewards?
Also GWB tried and did hold some Senate hearings investigating Fannie and Feddie, trying to get some oversite on their activities and Frank, Dodds, and Waters, all blocked it with, Franklyn Raines is doing a fantastic job over there,, well he was a crook. From reading the above, about Newt,, his consulting after the fact seems like a drop of water in a cesspool of corruption by the Democrats .
You Dem's need to belly up and accept responsibility, your more than glad to accept success, but always blame others when you fail,, or just lie about it..
Oh, my goodness, you do know that Gramm, Leach, and Bliley of the GLB Act were/are all Republicans, right? That part is easy to look up. Clinton did sign the bill; it was veto proof, and he had bigger fish to fry.
Slightly, only slightly, more difficult to look up is that Fannie and Freddie were distant followers in the mortgage securitization craze that was abetted by the GLB Act.
I am not defending Fannie or Freddie, I am simply correcting your factual errors. You don't seem to know what you are talking about, and I wanted to help you out.
Can any conservative, republican or right wing nut case, please advise me where in the Clinton admin legislation regarding making home mortages more affordable does it mandate "liar loans"? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
What's amazing is all the pundits on TV talk about how smart Newt is and how great a memory he has. Will the pundits now realize how stupid Newt really is and all he can remember is his talking points. He can't even remember how much credit he had at Tiffany's.
If you have credit cards, including department store cards, do you KNOW immediately how much TOTAL credit is readily available to you, WITHOUT looking it up? Did his highness, the "almighty O" even KNOW how many states there were????
I just found out Hawaii is now Asia.
Love it! Best post yet!
Yeah, right... Newt, you don't know how much you made. Reminds me of when John McCain said that he didn't know how many houses he owned.
Is the reason you don't remember because you didn't report it as income?
I can't remember what my credit line is at Tiffany's or how many houses I have. I know it's at least five and less than 10 but, certainly not something I worry about. As long as I own what I'm staying at why should it matter how many I own. The more I own, the more Gardner's I hire, painters, plumbers, etc. Also, the more I own, the more property taxes I pay that pays to educate the public school kids................ya wanna make that a crime?
F--K, liberals are one f--ked group of socialist!!!!!!!!!!!
And report it as income...........how do you know he was receiving income off his homes? Maybe he uses all of them! I don't but, he might!
f---k greedy conservatives Jesus was a liberal he feed the poor and healed the sick. Don't you right wingers tell me you are Christians. You are a working for the Devil.
“...Gingrich "made between $1.6 and $1.8 million in consulting fees" in his work for Freddie Mac between 1999 and 2008.,,” It seems awfully coincidental that his “extended consulting relationship” began after he left public office in 1999 after serving four years as Speaker of the House.
Newt, there aren’t enough of derogatory or obscene adjectives that would describe you.
You’re just another low life politician looking out for their own “financial” aggrandizement.
It should be illegal for any politician to profit directly or indirectly from any business or governmental relationship established while they held public office.
roc-527973
Your response couldn’t be more asinine if you tried. The title of the article is:
“Gingrich can't say how much he netted from Freddie consulting”
I was referring to the income he made from Freddie Mac.
Newt is just a candidate, Chuck Toad should be asking the questions surrounding his little sweetheart, Nasty Pelosi, the millions she made in stock trading after learning inside info with the house subcommittees she was with. We need to work to get the dirtbags out of office first. She is not the only one but, certainly one that is completely dirty in her dealings. They committed these acts while supposedly serving the American citizens.
Let's not get the libs off topic. Newt is rising in the polls so the little blog trolls have been given the command to take Newt down. They gleefully do it with the snap of their boots.
Why didn't you mention Boehner?
Bentbrass
You stated that; "...Newt is rising in the polls..."
Well let's see what we can "gleefully" do to reverse that.
Bentbrass
As I've said before: The pen is mightier than the sword but the internet is more powerful then both of them combined.
Roc-527973--It is all a shell game. I have to agree with the majority that most of the politicians are crooks and theives, and we need to pay attention to the MONEY that is causing those cogs to turn. It is VERY critical that we look into our representatives and know what they are up to. I think that Newt is being honest about not knowing how much $$$ he got for a consulting job, and if the entity he gave advice to refused to take that advice. None of that is his purvue (accountants) or his fault ('take it or leave it'), so he is just a business man who did something for a company AFTER he was out of office, and now he is getting RAKED OVER THE COALS FOR IT!! Like I stated in my other post, we need to think for ourselves, we need to use our own brains as a means to make decisions, not just a receptical or microphone for the ideas of others.
Pelosi is a bird of a very ugly color, I also agree about that, but she is only slightly dirtier than other politicians in office right now. Most are bought and paid for, and most do what they can to keep power. Term limits: that's what I think will start the process of change. No continuing benefits on the backs of the taxpayers after the end of your term: I think that might just finish it off. We need to use our power, our voting power, for changes that we can ALL beleive in--the politicians need to be held to the same standards as a household: Keep within your means, keep your nose clean, and take responsibility. That is what our Founding Fathers started this country on, and that is the foundation that we need to build on. The current house might be uninhabitable as it is now, but the foundation is sound. We need to rebuild.
Newts the biggest conman around..... peddling his books and dvd's while running for pres...... wait..... he's not alone! What a racket.
You are correct when stating he is not alone. Our current President did the same thing.
Wait...now there's something illegal or bad about writing a book if you're going to run for President telling people what your ideas are? Gee, did anyone tell President Grant back in the day?
Actually President Grant wrote his memoirs in 1884 when he was dying of cancer. He had been out of office for 9 years, was broke and needed to provide for his wife. Just wanted to set the record straight.
Brad,You know that you are lying (typical Teapublican).
The President did not have scheduled book signings, he may have signed books that people brought to campaign events, it is NOT the same thing has having speaking engagements and Book and DVD sale events UNRELATED to your supposed campaign.
The books by Pres candidates are usually written before the campaigning even begins to introduce themselves. Not how Cain is doing it. Run first and then publish to make money off his new celebrity, right! Oh yeah, Newt is a corporate whore and pig! Wouldn't want anyone to criticise me for straying from the article, mission accomplished!
Ever wonder why this country is in the shape it is in? Why there is so much hate and discontent?
Read your comments and you will all begin to understand if you have the ability to self analyze and be honest with yourself. What constructivly are you attempting to do with your comments and slurs to either candidate? Noone on here is being constructive with their critisisms.
It has long been said the the U S will be destroyed from within. Are you trying to be a party to that destruction?
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Good point Brad. Thank you.
Ever notice all the name calling and vitroil tends to be coming from the right? "Libtards" "socialists' "commies" Does anyone here see anyone on the "left" resorting to lowbrow name calling? I rarely do...
Take off your blinders!!!
Guys the truth is the right and left have been playing us against each other since there has been a right and left. We need to get term limits enstated for every politician from the local level up. We don't need career politicians. They get set up in DC and can pull strings and bend facts all they need to get the dollars streaming into their pockets. Truth is this country is too rich for its own good and we have money flying every which way but the way it should be. We have to get people into office who are there to do thier duty and serve the public. We need direct democracy instead of a democratic republic. We have the technology now that everyone's vote should count. We need to ban the electoral college. It has outlived its usefullness i.e. 2000 election and the untelevised protests and egg throwing in DC when Bush 2.0 took office. Time a for major referendum of U.S. government...
I would think that his tax preparer and his counsulting group records for the years in question could provide that information with little effort unless of course the records are no longer available.
Bob, nowadays, Tax Records are available forever. It's just taht Newt was giving some kind of bogus advice to Freddie Mac, which was obviously ALL BAD, which ended up leading to the worst Financial Meltdown in the History of the United Staets.
Millions of people lost their jobs and their homes, and Newt was right there in the middle of it, making millions.
I just have to wonder if Newt was the beneficiary of some of our American Taxpayer Bailout Money?
Did you happen to read the part of this article where it stated that he advised against the sub prime mortgages? Sheesh, work on that reading comprehension.
You are getting him confused with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Those are the ones pushing these loans onto people who could not afford them. Not Newt.
Had the government sponsored enterprises of fanny and freddie listened to Newt we would not be in this economic mess we are in today. Get a clue you are embarrassing yourself.
Galt-2012
"Elliot, I have a bridge to sell you.
Sooo. How did this advice factor into this his History teachings that "we alll know" (wink wink) was what they paid him $1.8 mill for.
I will buy that bridge. I will then put a toll on the use of that tired old cliche and collect a royalty every time one of you rotted brain leftists trots it out.
If we are mad at each other (left and right) then we are ignoring the real problem (US politics and politicians) and they win (by getting elected...again.) Stop bickering and look at the real problems and we will find solutions.
Would someone care to check the bonus the directors are getting? Much more than Newt and they are destroying Freddie. Maybe they should have listened to Newt after paying him.
i would ask the same question of our current president? what are his qualifications for this position and why do you support him?
Incumbency, for starters!
Three years into his presidency, you seriously are going to ask what his qualifications are? Obviously the Senate and the Law Professorship were not obstacles to his landslide victory over McCain even before that.
Were still waiting for the answer!!!
Now lets hear the crickets.
I'll see your incumbency, and raise you a 20-straight-month jobs-in-private-sector-increase. Maybe toss in a side bet of Bin Laden and Gadhaffi.....
Actually, I was just fooling around, Middleclassbonker- I really like the command he has of a 'Tele-Prom-Ter'
Tee Hee. *snicker*.
AP - nice try.
Cain, Perry and Bachman need teleprompters tied to their necks!
Why, they still would not be able to get through an entire sentence without putting a foot in their mouth. lol
I don't see the big deal about the teleprompters. I don't know any politician who hasn't used a teleprompter while giving a speech, all the way back to Reagan, maybe Carter...
Reagan with a teleprompter: http://s332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/dmhlt48/Teleprompter%20-%20Reagan/?action=view¤t=2102fb6a.pbw
Pictures of both Bushes with teleprompters: http://theoutlawjosie.blogspot.com/2010/11/teleprompter-teleprompter-in-hall-who.html
I support President Obama because 1) I do think he has a sincere desire to rediscover national consensus, 2) that consensus includes shared sacrifice, 3) health care reform is necessary for our mutual well being, and 4) robust national involvement has been a hallmark of our mutual success since 1776.
I am disappointed at times with President Obama because 1) he has not been more forward on the topic of consensus, 2) he was not more articulate on shared sacrifice, 3) he was not be more forceful on pursuing healthcare, and 4) that he was not more successful renewing a sense of shared purpose.
I also am realist enough to know that when the Senate Minority Leader announces that his party's single most important goal for the next four years is the political defeat of the president, well the options become more limited.
Obama had similar qualifications to Abraham Lincoln when elected. Now he has the experience of 3 years of the presidency and so has even more qualifications.
Oh really...why aren't we asking how much the SFB dems were and ARE getting from Fan and Fred to keep spewing that nothing is wrong?
Sure is a different story when the shoe is on the other foot now isn't it?
You libtards disgust me to no end
Roscoe...you are obviously one of those folks who is so confused you actually vote against your own economic and socil interests simply because you have been taught to hate...
It's about the fact that Newt is a lying, thieving, corrupt politician who has made a fortune being a bloviating polemicist because people like you think his fancy speech means anything other than bulldung for your digestion.
Dems could be taking just as much money but that is not justification for Gingrich, you idiot...he is what he is...corrupt!!!!
Just in case here is a short breakdown of the 12.79 million dolled out for doing such a great job with the housing market. - Yes sarcasm.
Securities and Exchange Commission documents show that Ed Haldeman, who announced last week that he is stepping down as Freddie Mac’s CEO, received a base salary of $900,000 last year yet took home an additional $2.3 million in bonus pay. Records show other Fannie and Freddie executives got similar Wall Street-style compensation packages; Fannie Mae CEO Michael Williams, for example, got $2.37 million in performance bonuses.
Including Haldeman, the top five officers at Freddie banked a combined $6.46 million in performance pay alone last year, though a second bonus installment for 2010 has yet to be reported to the SEC, according to agency records. Williams and others at Fannie pocketed $6.33 million in incentives for what SEC records describe as meeting the primary goal of providing “liquidity, stability and affordability” to the national market.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html#ixzz1dtG2WVrG
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Glad you cleared that up ya frggn NEWT! You sure gave them AWESOME ADVICE now didn't ya? And who are these polling idiots that say this numbskull is rising in these so-called "polls?" This guy, who obviously had a silver spoon wedged so far up his ass since birth--has NO UNDERSTANDING of the PEOPLE he supposedly thinks he's so well qualified to LEAD!
What a fkkng MORON. HEAR ME NEEEWWWWWT? Sounds like an ingredient for an occult elixir all those elites chug, mixed with blood, while standing around that owl figure in the forest in California.
What's wild is I'm in full grasp of REALITY. These satanist-elites all BELIEVE in their so-called POWERS. But as a non-religious man myself, it amazes me how these people do those repetitious chants to idols and demons. They really believe in that @!$%#!
Your problem is with jealousy and envy, that parasite in the white house has the same f--king problem. Once from trash, a life of being trash!!
No, roc. My problem is that there actually are MANY that buy into this @!$%#--you especially. Now go do that boo-joo that'chew doo with your booty-hoo.
yeah you tell him Roc: and don't forget about the marital cheating scandals and the getting booted out of Congress thing and the ethical conviction...oh wait....
Very intelligent. Let's insult someone's name because clearly THAT is an important qualification for becoming President. And if you listened to any of Newt's interviews he CLEARLY says that Freddie did not take the advice that he gave them...
Lol Roc you crack me up dude.
All one has to do is look at the tax return for those years in question and see exactly how much he received! Jealousy is the first symptom of inferiority, and the current crop of candidates in the TEA/GOP/Republican primary all fit the billing!
Oh crap, I'm going to need more popcorn...
The jackass resigned in disgrace from congress and then cashed in. What a piece of sh!t.
Yeah right...like your precious libby-dem-fuqs are't cashing in on a disgusting scale while they're IN OFFICE...and guiding legislation in order to do so...so who's the POS?
yeah where's the article on farty frank and doody dood who started
this whole fiasco? and pelosi's stock option bill and brother in law
big government bailout? and the union payoffs healthcare bill?
and eric holder fast and furious article? and the liberal socialist
communists union run protestors? and the email soylandra stories?
where's all these demo stories?
Like children...
Gingrich is allowed to make a living and be paid accordingly. Just because it happen to be with the TAX SUPPORTED COMPANY FREDDIE. At least he didn't use the White House as his private Brothel like Clinton. At least he hasn't destroyed the U.S. Economy and failed to protect our borders and push a Socialist Agenda like O'Bama.
At least Gingrich didn't make a fortune over big bad government run FREDDIE and FANNIE Mae ...while blaming them for the recession and insisting wall street is completely innocent...at least he's not a hypocrite...oh, wait.....
Gingrich resigned from Congress because he got caught with his hands in cookie jar. Cheated on his first wife,(who was dying of cancer in hospital) with one of his campaign staff, then cheated on her with another campaign worker who is his current wife!!! Gingrich only lies about his relationship with Freddie because he was a lobbist for them, period. Bush/Cheney ruined this country by getting us in Two (UNPAID) wars, Drug Plan for Seniors (not Paid for), Bailout of Wall Street and Big Banks, ($790 billion dollars) no questions asked where it went. And Mortgage Crisis we are enjoying today thanks to Bush and Republican deregulationist. Obama inherited it from Bush. Republicans has been the party of NO ever since. McConnell, One Term President is his only job!!! Boehner, Cantor, and Ryan are the three stoogies.
What a freakin' loon
Please Dear God: Let Newt win the Republican Primary....signed: A Democrat
Your wish is gladly granted.
Anyone but Obama in 2012, Newt can only do much better.
I very much doubt that. If you could see what "anybody but Obama" says about anyone who espouses it, you would probably consider a more thoughtful position. Your choice.
Look on the Bright Side - if the Democrat is re-elected we get another chance at getting an additional holiday.
Oh heck a future holiday is already guaranteed.
Newt is having problems paying back Tiffany's $500,000 diamonds for his third Wife. He got kicked out of Congress for pulling a Clinton as Speaker and with his hands in cookie jar. Historian for Freddie, How about lobbist enstead. He can't remember what they paid him for his services, $1.6-1.8 million dollars, boy nice job if you can get one. I hope his third Wife checks the diamonds to see if they are real??? Lies, and more Lies. And he is the front runner??? What a CIRCUS.
Carnival barker, flimflam man, huckster, con artist or crook……. I just can’t decide how to describe Newt Gingrich. Maybe the answer is all of the above.
he gets million and a half over 8 years and you dems cry yet you want to give the clowns running fanny and freddie a couple million in bonuses for one year ??????????? doulble standard ????
Newt cant remember ... your buddy Obuma cant even remember what country hes in ..... Hawaii is in Asia ???? ... Obuma thinks so .
kevin mcneil,
I know this is a tough one to follow, but the story is not about how much Newt made or didn't make. It's about his inability to answer a question honestly.
People are free to make money in this country. But it's hypocritical to bad mouth the organization when that paycheck stops. Newt has a history of changing his opinions to suit the people he is trying to get money from.
It's his character that is in question, not his wealth.
The deeper the GOP reaches into it's Scum Bag, the stinkier scum they drag out.
This is a sad indictment of the entire DC culture. Scumbag Newt is fired by his own party for superscumming and goes to work at a nice stipend the next day for a government agency.
Amazing how the party of family, truth, light and the American Way can stand the stench. And they will never understand why the few idealists left are marching in the streets.
We are going to have some real fun with Ricky Santorum when it's his turn in the barrel, starting with him ripping off the PA taxpayers by illegally enrolling his five kids in a charter school. He converted to home schooling when he got busted.
Reply to Tad
Hey, how about you recruit Karl Rove for the job? He was Curious George's puppet master for 8 years so he has all kind of presidential campaign experience and he is a hell of a lot smarter than any of the announced candidates.