'Why haven't we heard of this guy?'

A Super PAC supporting Jon Huntsman's presidential candidacy, Our Destiny PAC, is airing a 60-second TV ad in New Hampshire (on broadcast and cable) to help Huntsman in the Granite State.

The ad concludes with an elderly man looking into the camera and saying: "Why haven't we heard of this guy?"

A source familiar with the ad says it is a "substantial" buy.

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Why haven't we heard of this guy?...

......Jon, you're just not radical!...Speaking Mandarin? Believing in global warming?.......

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Reply#1 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:36 PM EST

Looks like the Cain Haters are seeing their claim of his harassment charges starting to fade, but are now having to juice it up with more allegations. Now a Dr. Victor Zuckerman has scheduled a news conference with attorney Gloria Allred. Apparently Dr. Zuckerman was the boyfriend of Chicago business woman Sharon Bialek, who is also represented by Allred, and he claims he has assaulted by Cain.

Nice. A gay angle to the story.

Source: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8430959

And another Chicago connection, during Cain's time at the NRA. Funny that these charges are coming out of Chicago, and only occurred while Cain was with the NRA. So Cain was a serial assaulter during his time at the NRA, but not before, and nothing since. A good journalist would investigate that angle. Tells you a lot about journalism.

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#1.1 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:47 PM EST

Why haven't we heard of this guy?...

Because you guys are to busy listening to the Tea Bags and the Flip Floppers! Huntsman is the only sane guy on the podium for the GOP.

Jon going to need a few more implosions before people start taking him seriously.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:21 PM EST

I'm wiff Smiff on this one. Let's just can the allegatons of sexual misconduct. Let the man's record and positions speak for themselves!

He's toast on his own, and needs no 'suspect' help.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:35 PM EST

Drive by and JS, did you notice this article is about Huntsman, not Cain?

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#1.4 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:55 PM EST

JoAnna:

So Cain was a serial assaulter during his time at the NRA, but not before, and nothing since. A good journalist would investigate that angle. Tells you a lot about journalism.

That's not what I heard, but I'm not in the mood to spar with you right now.

There are other stories, and other people besides the victims, including credible men, who claim to have seen Cain engage in inappropriate conduct.

Maybe you should try looking it up.

Just saying it isn't so doesn't make it not so.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:12 PM EST

[Apparently Dr. Zuckerman was the boyfriend of Chicago business woman Sharon Bialek, who is also represented by Allred, and he claims he has assaulted by Cain. Nice. A gay angle to the story.]

Uhm no, Smiff...Dr. Zuckerman never said he was assaulted by Cain...try again, liar.

Are you accustomed to lying on a regular basis, or are you just an idiot?

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:37 PM EST
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Why we haven't heard of this guy?

Because he disqualified himself as a serious candidate when he commented that "obama is a brilliant thinker".

And I've come to believe that he takes off his shoes before going into his own house.

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Reply#2 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:38 PM EST

I voted you up Rob, just because I think this is kinda funny :)

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#2.1 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:44 PM EST

It is an Oriental custom to remove your shoes before going indoors. It leaves the dirt from your shoes outside, and reduces cleaning time and noise. If you have spent much time in an oriental culture (or in Hawaii) you have likely developed the habit of removing your shoes before going indoors. It is a sign of consideration, not a sign of craziness. It amazes me that Americans are so insulting and contemptuous of other cultures.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:02 PM EST
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The reason we haven't heard of Huntsman is that anyone with a lick of common sense is automatically disqualified from the Republican nomination. They should hang a sign that says "only far right reactionaries and crazy people need apply."

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:39 PM EST

Again, if it weren't for First Read, no one would know or care that Jon Huntsman is running.

The fact that all you Liberals love him, is more than enough to disqualify him from any serious consideration.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:40 PM EST

Huntsman should have run as a Democrat and challenged Obama. He'd have a better chance of winning.

  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST

Having a brain and gravitas doesn't go over well with the teapubs. Huntsman is the only candidate who does not scare the crap out of me, but he is just too good a candidate to have a chance with the current wingnuts in the base.

  • 11 votes
#4.2 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:01 PM EST

Hey, if the GOP/TP wants to try to win the election with only their base, go for it.

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#4.3 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST

"The fact that all you Liberals love him, is more than enough to disqualify him from any serious consideration"

In fairness to Huntsman, it is not his fault the moonbats 'adopted' him. If he gains traction and is seen as a threat to Obama, the moonbat programmed talking points about Huntsman will change to "he sold out to the Tea Party"

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#4.4 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:31 PM EST

I'll beat ya to it Bob-what ever numbers.

Huntsman is a pure conservative in his positions on all major categories. Huntsman is social conservative (pro-life), a fiscal conservative (spending cuts and tax cuts only), and a foreign policy conservative (war-mongering). So of course I and other progressives will not vote for Huntsman -- We will reelect President Obama.

However, Huntsman is not a complete wing-nut to the point of anti-intellectualism in positions on global warming, evolution, and other just plain FACTS (including President Obama's origin of birth). Huntsman and Ron Paul are the only ones with some iota of honesty.

But NO Teapublican in the current leadership or presidential field are anything close to Republicans of the recent past (Bush Sr., Ford, Nixon, even Reagan). The Teapublican Party has gone so far to the Right they have gone off the cliff. If and until the GOP returns to some semblance of sanity, they should be "contained" from participation in politics as much as possible.

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#4.5 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST
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Hey, does anyone have the latest death toll numbers from Occupy Wall Street?

I wish Obermann was still around. He could do the daily count of days since Occupiers began the killings.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:41 PM EST

You can find Keith on "Current" on your cable dial.

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#5.1 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:55 PM EST

I don't think I have a "Current" dial on my cable.

It must cost extra.....

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#5.2 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:04 PM EST

WCA: Idon't think I have a "Current" dial on my cable. It must cost extra.....

Check your bill. I think the cable companies make you pay, not to get it, but to have it removed.

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#5.3 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:12 PM EST

This from an article today:

The Occupy Wall Street protesters were first ignored by the media and then maligned by certain outlets, but more recently a slew of reports and surveys have come out showing the movement may be on to something after all.

...Several new studies have offered further evidence that these two problems are getting worse and, perhaps more importantly, that a large portion of the population is concerned about these issues.

Growing income inequality. Few reports in recent memory packed quite as much of a bang in so few words as one from the Congressional Budget Office.

The report shows that between 1979 and 2007, the superrich -- people in the top 1% of wage earners -- saw their after-tax incomes nearly triple, while those in the bottom 20% saw their wages remain relatively flat during that nearly 30-year period. As if that weren't infuriating enough, the CBO's report showed that the top 20% of wage earners saw their share of the nation's overall income increase by 10 percentage points during that period, while the other 80% saw their share decline by 2 or 3 percentage points.

In just a few paragraphs, the CBO showed definitively that the rich are getting richer at the expense of everyone else.

Americans favor wealth redistribution. Given the increasing degree of income inequality, it should come as little surprise that most Americans would echo those protesters who argue the current distribution of wealth is unfair.

One recent survey from The New York Times found that two-thirds of Americans believe U.S. wealth distribution is unfair, with a whopping 86% of Democrats saying so and 67% of independents. Republicans were less likely to agree with this statement, but nearly half still feel the distribution is not fair.

That may not mean two-thirds of the country would be willing to march in the cold weather to change this fact, but it does seem to put the burden of proof on those who claim the status quo is just fine.

Even the wealthy want to pay more taxes. One might assume that those with the most to lose would be the ones to fight hardest against evening out the income disparities, but a survey from Spectrem Group suggests otherwise.

The survey found that the vast majority (68%) of people worth at least $1 million favor raising taxes on Americans who make more than $1 million. And 61% of those worth at least $5 million are in favor of doing so. In other words, even the wealthy are fine with raising taxes on the wealthy, and previous surveys have shown that most average Americans certainly are in favor of it. So that really just leaves legislators inside the Beltway as the real hurdle.

No one likes the government, and few trust it. Perhaps for this reason, there seems to be a growing disconnect between the American people and the federal government that reflects the same sense of distrust heard among the protesters.

The same CBS News/New York Times poll found that just 9% of Americans approve of the current Congress and that 89% say they don't trust government to do what's right. Likewise, 70% say Republicans in Congress are pursuing policies that favor the wealthy.

The negatives of outsiders such as anarchists, the homeless, criminals, etc. taking advantage of the OWS camps are unfortunate. In Portland, the mayor did not use military force and the camp was dismantled peacefully. The OWS is in the process of trying to find other ways to keep their message in the media and national discussions of the issues above--This is a positive thing.

  • 5 votes
#5.4 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:47 PM EST

Hey TP, from "an article today" where?

  • 1 vote
#5.5 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:59 PM EST

Yeah, because it's much more important where information comes from than the information itself.

Right White Collar Auto?

  • 3 votes
#5.6 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:17 PM EST

Rob in ma

It's tragic when anyone is killed or kills themselves. To try to turn this into some unfounded political rant is disgusting.

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Police are investigating a fatal shooting just outside the Occupy Oakland encampment in Northern California and the apparent suicide of a military veteran at an Occupy encampment in Vermont's largest city.

The Oakland killing is further straining relations between local officials and anti-Wall Street protesters. A preliminary investigation into the gunfire Thursday that left a man dead suggests it resulted from a fight between two groups of men at or near the camp on a plaza in front of Oakland's City Hall, police Chief Howard Jordan said.

Investigators do not yet know if the men in the fight were associated with Occupy Oakland, but they are looking into reports that some protest participants tried to break up the altercation, Jordan said.

Burlington, Vt., police said preliminary investigations show a 35-year-old military veteran fatally shot himself in the head Thursday at an Occupy Wall Street encampment. The name of the Chittenden County man is being withheld because not all of his family has been notified.

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#5.8 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:30 PM EST

Raab in ma ###'s and JoeSmiff have resorted to lying in an attempt to bolster their failed attempts to discredit OWS...sad, but oh so true.

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#5.9 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:40 PM EST
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Why haven't you heard about this guy? Examine where you get your news, old man. (apologies to old men.) If you listen to right wing radio and just watch FOX, you're probably uninformed on a lot of issues.

  • 8 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:42 PM EST

Amy, please, do tell. Where do you get informed on the issues?

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#6.1 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:50 PM EST

Amy---great post!

As an aside--my father is 91 and often refers to the "old people" at the independent living center where he lives.

  • 6 votes
#6.2 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST

We wonder the same about you JAS1.

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#6.3 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST

So....if the 'regular' media is called 'lamestream', can we start calling all the right-wing talk radio outlets and Fox 'Malcontents with Microphones"?

It sure would fit.

  • 4 votes
#6.4 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:38 PM EST

TtS: We wonder the same about you JAS1.

Sources include CNBC, The Economist, Washington Post, ABC news, Forbes, Denver Post, The BBC, C-SPAN, LA Times, Bloomberg, Dallas Morning News, Boston Herald, CBS News, The AP, Daily Kos, The Weekly Standard, Atlanta Constitution, The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, The Nation, Boston Globe, National Review, Washington Times, CNN, San Francisco Chronicle, and The Huffington Post, just to name a few.

And of course, MSNBC.

Columnists read include Michael Barone, Joe Conason, Ellen Goodman, Charles Krauthammer, Dick Morris, Larry Elder, Mona Charen, Maureen Dowd, Brent Bozell, Susan Estrich, Andrew Sullivan, Michael Kinsley, Gloria Borger, Peggy Noonan, Paul Krugman, Mort Zuckerman, Thomas Sowell, Joe Klein, and John Fund to name a few.

And you TtS? Heavy dose of The Ed Show?

Still waiting Amy. Seeing Fox is your idea of a source for the uninformed, what exactly are your sources to be informed?

  • 2 votes
#6.5 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:44 PM EST

JAS1 - great listing! Too bad you weren't around when Palin needed to name her news sources...

  • 1 vote
#6.6 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:57 PM EST
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The right hasn't heard of this guy because the GOP is controlled by the TP, and TP would never allow this guy. Liberal republicans I know like this candidate. Problem is, they cannot wrest control from the right wing crazies.

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:04 PM EST

When Huntsman got in the race, I thought uh-oh, here is someone that could really challenge Obama. But then he started talking sane platforms and sound, logical ideas and I realized he won't get the GOP nod. He's scares them too much!

  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:25 PM EST

OMG to have a thinking republican/ tea bag party candidate would make the grover norquist & the koch bro's cringe. It would be to hard to control his mind.

  • 1 vote
#8.1 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:54 PM EST
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What a doom and gloom ad -- sour faced people with gravelly voices....that is Gov. Huntsman's problem in a nutshell. why haven't we heard of him? Because aside from his stint as governor of a small (pop. 2.8 million) western, conservative state with a large Mormon population, he hasn't done anything on his own. He has worked for his father's company (Huntsman Corp.) and he has been appointed to political jobs through his father's largesse in election campaigns. If it weren't for his father's money he wouldn't even be cutting this ad. He nominated Sarah Palin for the Vice Presidency in 2008, but now says that was just a favor to Sen. McCain. He thinks he is moderate, but how is that? Climate change? He agrees it's real, but wouldn't do anything about it. He favors the Ryan budget plan (ending Medicare as it exists now), would repeal the affordable health care act (although he has no alternative plan)...

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST

I've heard of Huntsman, and I find him very informed on major issues. He did a good job as Governor of Utah and his more foreign experience than all of the other candidates. He much more qualified for the job of President than the current occupant (Obama). I think the news media has avoided covering him for their own political reasons.

I am still researching information about Huntsman but from what I can tell he could give Obama a good run, especially in the foreign policy issues, which most political observers feel is Obama's strength. However, I feel the election will still be based on the economy. Remember foreign policy expertise didn't help Bush 1 against Clinton because it became "It's the economy stupid."

  • 1 vote
Reply#10 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:34 PM EST

I like Jon Huntsman but, what's with the freaky close ups of Republican candidates? First thing I found myself doing was comparing Huntsman's skin and facial expression to Cain's. That is a disaster for a commercial.

  • 1 vote
Reply#11 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:40 PM EST

Reasons why Mr. Huntsman won't be elected.

1. You are not a Drunk 2. You are not crazy 3. You are not a racist 4. You are not a pizza salesman 5. You are not a criminal 6. You are married to one wife (I am guessing)!!

Jon you have a brain that is why they will never vote for you! Leave the Tea-baggers/Pepublicans!!

  • 1 vote
Reply#12 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:49 PM EST

What's with the background picture behind the scroll of printed statements...looks to be an underground parking garage. Message?

    Reply#13 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:57 PM EST

    OMG, the planet is collapsing?! Why haven't we heard of THAT?

    The guy in the commercial says the world is "literally" collapsing, so it can't be just a figure of speech.

    Oh ... it IS a figure of speech? The world isn't literally collapsing? OK, that's it. I'm voting for the Democrats.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#14 - Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:05 PM EST

    It is very telling that the most qualified and reasonable canidate in the race, Huntsman, is almost a side note in the campaign so far.

    Tells you how extreme the GOP has become.

    • 1 vote
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