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Subscribe to RSSTROY, MI -- Mitt Romney sought to explain his opposition to the 2009 auto industry bailouts before an audience in his native Michigan, a state where the industry looms large.
A day after a debate in nearby Rochester, where he was forced to defend his consistency on the bailout, Romney renewed his defense.
"What's happening tears at my heart," Romney said. "I know what that city can be."
Romney, who had opposed bailouts for General Motors and Chrysler in 2009 and had favored a managed bankruptcy process instead, also turned around the old phrase: As goes GM, so goes the nation.
"I sure hope that's not the case," Romney said. "Because General Motors went bankrupt, and I don't want to see the nation follow down the same path Detroit went down, but the same policies you're seeing, that were so misapplied here in Detroit, will take the country in that kind of direction."
Romney, who spent most of the speech waxing nostalgic about his childhood in suburban Detroit and campaigning for his father, who served as governor in the 1960s.
His talk of autos was a more serious moment in a campaign stop more full of Romney waxing nostalgic about things well-remembered: swimming in Michigan's great lakes, campaigning with his father in years gone by and his favorite lines from the poem "Men to Match My Mountains," Mitt Romney was asked to weigh in on things forgotten.
In this case, the former Massachusetts governor was put on the spot about the third agency slated for cuts forgotten by Texas Governor Rick Perry at last night's debate.
But Romney, whose sparring with Perry headlined the last debate three weeks ago, was cordial toward his campaign rival.
"I wish him the very best," Romney told reporters.
Asked how he felt about last night's CNBC debate, here in Michigan, where he was raised, Romney said he was satisfied with his performance.
"I was very pleased with the debate," Romney said. "I thought I got most of my points across pretty well."
But how did he feel about Perry, Romney was asked?
"I've got worry more about me than about anybody else," Romney responded.
Romney's speech at a Polish-American cultural center to a rally of some 150 supporters and a handful of family members was a warm one. He toned down much of his usual criticism of President Obama, although did not drop it entirely, and offered none for his GOP rivals, preferring instead to connect with the crowd using shared memories of Michigan. Romney even asked the high school band in attendance if they could play the University of Michigan fight song." To the approval of a handful of Michigan State fans in attendance, the band leader said they could not.
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Gee Willard, now that GM is starting to recover after the bail outs, paying back money and all that, you are afraid the whole country will recover? GM got some help and had to cut back on the brands made by them but they had too many brands anyway. Maybe if we broke up some of the too big to fail companies no one would be too big to fail and the market would be more diverse instead of hogged by only a few. Of course that is Willard's opinion today. Tomorrow it will be different and the next day different again. It is hard keeping up with Romney. We wonder if this is a flip or a flop or a flip again or a flop again.
Well bald eagle for as uninformed as you seem to be you actually hit the nail on the head.
GM Had to cut back. That is it in a nutshell. So does the Federal Government. Big time.
BTW Talk to me about GM as a success when they have fully paid back all the money that was "loaned" to them.
See, things aren't so hot in Warren right now and GM is beginning to flail a bit at the edges. Seems they might not have learned their lesson.
Historically they never do.
"BTW Talk to me about GM as a success when they have fully paid back all the money that was "loaned" to them."
Didn't they do this back in April??
And I think it's "Fray around the edges"
No they did not pay the money back in April. Do some research, GM recieved $52 billion from the US government and paid back $6.7 Billion to the US and Canadian Governments. The US Government still holds a controlling portion of the company. So when the Federal government is out of the car business, maybe they will have a chance.
I meant flail. They are swing wildly in the hopes of hitting a home run and missing badly.
So the Democrats want to smear Romney for suggesting that a 'managed bankruptcy' was the best way forward for GM?
Perhaps someone should remind them that is exactly what Obama did. So Obama took Romney's advice, takes credit because it worked, and now wants to 'Blame Romney'?
I've heard of political 'spin', but this one pretty much 'takes the cake'.
GM recieved 50 billion, and has paid back 6.7 billion. They will wait for GM to go public so that they can sell their remaining shares for a greater profit.
Gotta love the righty spin.
White Collar Auto - another truth teller on Newsvine!
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Just TRUTH!!!!!!!!! Simple.........................
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WE are all missing the TRUTH in some way, based on ego based misnomers that won't hold water ---YET we BELIEVE.....................
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Romney had his defining moment in the debate when he was asked to choose between profits and jobs. At last he was on home turf. He hit it out of the ballpark. "What are profits?" he asked. "Where do they go?" He answered his own question saying that many liberals say they go to corporate executive salaries and bonuses. But they don't, he explained. "Profits are what is left after they have been paid. Profits are what you reinvest in your business to make it grow and expand and create new jobs. You need profits to generate jobs." Romney's economic primer showed how deeply he has imbued himself with the free market gospel. Perhaps he flip flops on strange ground, but on economics, he's rock solid. That's great to know! I hope the Occupy Wall Street crowd was watching.
Romney 2012, 'now more than ever'
Baldeagle11
Breaking up companies is what Romney does, he got rich [200 million] by buying companies firing everyone and selling off the parts. He's a corporate raider which is sort of like a modern day pirate. Arrrrgggg maties vote for Mit..... I'm just kidding, don't vote for this jerk he's just another greedy Republican.
Let's see,
Romney is the one who spoke loudly for letting the auto industry...DIE....back in 2009.
President Obama refused to let that happen and found a way to bring American auto back on the 21st century track, saving millions of jobs and related industries.
Recently, this same Romney said the opposite - that saving the Auto Industry was his own idea.
In any case, we have not forgotten.
Well, Barack Obama did not get OSL. President Obama was not an integral part of the NATO action in Libya. The President did not end inequality in the military. President Obama did not initiate a reform program for healthcare US........blah blah blah. I prefer a President who does something over nothing. General Motors Bailout may or may not have been paid back as of yet. However, by doing nothing means nothing gets done. So, I want a President who is imperfect but tries. I respect anyone who tries. I have absolutely no respect for anyone who does nothing. John Boehner & Co. do nothing. John Boehner cannot work for me. So, bleat to your hearts content. I fully expect a win in 2012 based on doing something over nothing.
Roy...
It isn't a smear when you quote the person's actual comment. A "managed bankruptcy" wasn't Romney's original statement when Detroit was in dire straits. His comment at the time was "Let Detroit go bankrupt". His spin on a "managed bankruptcy" came later after he took some flack for his stance but, as is the norm for Mitt, tried to walk back on his original position. Not a full-fledged "flip-flop", but a distinctly notable change in position. As it has turned out, Detroit (GM) is repaying the loan, repaying the interest, and all those workers, plus the multitude of part supplier employees, were able to keep their jobs. Had the Feds done otherwise, the unemployment rate would be higher, something that some Republican conservatives would no doubt spend much time crowing about.
Also notable about this time was his public support for the Wall St. bailout. His comment on that was: “I believe that it was necessary to prevent a cascade of bank collapses.”
What about the "cascade" of parts suppliers collapses that would have ensued if Detroit had "failed"?
The dots are easily connected.
You got to handle it to Obama when it comes to being consistent though. He is the most consistent President we ever had when it comes to killing jobs at every chance he gets. He just killed 20,000 by stopping the pipeline from delivering oil from Canada and he is doing wonders for Boeing too.
He is one bought POTUS IMO. Kill as many jobs as he can and then he puts more Americans on welfare and food stamps so he can control them.
Worst president we ever had and that is saying a lot with the likes of Bush whom I rate as very poor but Obama sure takes the cake on being the worst.
I sure as hell hope the American people vote him out of office come next year. Dishonesty on display ever day he is in office.
By the time GM declared bankruptcy, the credit markets had seized up, thanks to the Bush Administration's handling of the Bear Stearn and Lehman Brothers collapses. The only sorce of financing had to be the US government.
I'd love to vote Obama out, but what alternative is there? The cultist? Mr. 666? The global warming denier? Ron paul???
Seriously Eric....Gotta love the "righty" spin and 10 Libbies voted this up? We all knew Eric was totally clueless but seriously it is scary to know people like you vote. The stock IPO was a year ago for $33. Today it is trading below $23 or at a 30% loss. The government has been repaid $23 billion from the original IPO but needs $26.4 billion more to recoup taxpayers' whole investment. Taxpayers still own 500 million shares of GM common stock, which would have to sell for roughly $53 per share to get all the money back or a 130% gain from today's price. BTW GM pays zero taxes.
Restructuring was the best way forward after 10 years of failed Republican policies that crashed our economy and put so many people out of work.
What$ 1.16
While I did not check your figures about the IPO vlaue vs the current value you couldn't of made a better case for not tieing up the wealth of the country and in the case the government money into the stock market.
We need to be slowly pulling all the countries wealth from these crooks with their manufactured crisis after crisis.
Really Kevin? Why don't you tell that to the POTUS who traded our tax money for stock certificates in Government Motors.
@What?, the stock charts are pretty clear that GM is trending up. There will be more demand for their cars in Europe and elsewhere. It's a safe bet that the US will get their value from the stocks.
Republican's idea that "letting it fail" is a better option is just plain wrong.
@White Collar Auto -- The government handled GM exactly the right way. Not as sure about the Chrysler deal.
There have been a lot of complaints about the unions getting a share of the company. Does that mean opposition to shareholders? Or does that mean unions having a vested interest in the health of the company is a bad thing? Or maybe that just means that workers are simply expected to show up, do what they are told, and keep their mouths shut. Making the unions shareholders was a pretty smart thing to do - any wage and benefit demands will impact their share value.
To 'fix' the government by cutting back - means that the budgets for all government functions needs to be cut back by 30% across the board. Everything - including defense and entitlements. That size cut would reduce GDP by at least 7%. We would have smaller government but we would also have a smaller economy. Government and the economy are joined together - like it or not ...
Eric...Why did GM just lower their guidance last week because of lower demand in Europe? Are you smarter than their management? Somehow I think not since you didn't even know they are trading publicly. Now you are calling a 30% loss in price an uptrend? LOL Eric...Just LOL!!!
BTW GM stock just turned negative on a day when the Dow is up 275 points and 14 out of every 15 stocks are up. Go ahead Eric go buy that stock with your money.....Hahahahhahahaha
That reference--"hit it out of the ballpark" was more like a suicide squeeze. His defining moment has changed with the prevailing wind too many times. Folks aren't going to show up in record numbers, (or even close), to vote for Romney version 12.0
Romney's position on the auto company bailouts is one of the few positions that he should have changed and probably the only issue position that he has not changed. Furthermore, it is a business issue ..... is supposed area of expertise. This guy has almost everything wrong .... and he still leads the GOP field.
While I am happy GM survived, the bogus bailout that allowed them to continue the incompetent management of the corporation (they killed two divisions, Oldsmobile and Pontiac, that had NEVER LOST MONEY, while continuing, not for long the second time, with three divisions, Saturn,Saab and Hummer, that NEVER MADE MONEY under GM control ) and allowed unions to continue to bleed the company dry from generations of having unrealistic pay and benefits, which has accelerated GM's departure from having U.S. located plants. I don't disagree on helping GM avoid liquidation but I strongly disagree with the "bankruptcy" that allowed GM to shed legitimate moral and legal obligations in the U.S. and Europe while continuing business as usual in China !!!
Unions didn't design those unmarketable vehicles--management did, and when GM really started tanking is when they "shifted" a large part of their manufacturing operations to Mexico and Canada. If you want people to work you have to bring the jobs back. China's labor market is catching up, (from a cost standpoint) but their GDP is half of ours. GM should have only been allowed to survive if they brought all the assembly plants back to the empty facilities that they left behind. Fair trade--not free trade.
Geez, what an idiotic statement to make about the US going the way of GM; and what phony drivel, "it tears my heart". Mitt is a me firster. I don't think he has a clue which side of an issue he stands on from one day to the next--he said no bailout, let them go bankrupt, do nothing--never mind the millions of supporting jobs that would have been lost in addition to the US auto industry becoming as extinct as dinosaurs. Thank goodness the Obama administration ignored such GOPTP wisdom. Maybe Romney should have thought better of all the outsourcing he did at Bain Capitol then Detroit would not have been a victim of lost jobs unrelated to the auto industry. For the first time in decades, GM, Chrysler and Ford are back in the game and wiser to the market.
Jody, the GOP would rather see any US company that doesn't support them 100% fail. They, for all their talk, only care about profits, not people. Especially anyone who isn't in the 1%.
Dear Willard: Most of us were raised by parents and grandparents who instilled in us the basic values and principles at the heart of Ameria. They taught us that if you did the right thing, worked hard, put your all into it, you could end us living a good, comfortable life where you and then your kids could get ahread.
Over the last decade, that faith has been shaken for a lot of people.
I'm sure Gov. Romney does sincerely care about the auto industry -- that was his father's first claim to fame, after all. But the Romneys did not live IN Detroit -- they chose a pricey suburb instead (Bloomfield Hills), a private boys' school, and then when the elder Mr. Romney was governor, they had the governor's mansion on Mackinaw Island as a second playground. So it's not clear how well he really does know Detroit. He must have left by 1967, when the upheaval of civil rights led to white flight. He doesn't mention much about Motown. It would be interesting to hear him talk about the institutions and features of Detroit that he remembers and did care about back in his time there.
If we have another Republican as President, we'll probably be importing cars from Afghanistan . Those cars will be called the Taliban & the Osama. The Republicans were good friends with them and the ones in Iraq, also. Maybe they will call them the Saddam. Remember Rumsfeld was good buddies with Saddam and he outfitted the Taliban & the Mujahadin.
One Republican insider went as far to say, "Obama is on the ropes; why do we appear ready to hand him a win?" they say about the American Jobs Act.
Willard, we are not a nation that sits back and waits for things to happen. We make things happen. We're Americans. We're tought and we are resilient, and I am absolutely confident about our future because I beleive we are tougher than the times we live in and bigger than the politics we are seeing in Washington.
I hope you'll continue to stand with me in this fight - a fight to restore an America where middle-class families can continue to believe that if they work hard they are rewarded - that being responsible is rewarded - and that regardless of circumstances, they can see a path to a better life.
That's been the essence of America. We've got to fight for it.
Sincerely,
President Barack Obama
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Mitt Romney is a follower. He will follow whatever the GOP tells him. And Israel for that matter. He got Iraq wrong. And he got OWS wrong. And he got Libya wrong. And he got the auto stimulus wrong. But it's not his fault.
He's only following what the GOP tells him to say. He's not creative and he doesn't think for himself. Lucky for us, our President doesn't. Candidates like Romney are a dime a dozen.
Barack Obama. 2012.
Teabagger solution -- We need to elect another Texas hick like Boy George (OK, Rick Perry should do) to start a couple more 4 trillion dollar wars in the Middle East so that we can make companies like Halliburton and Blackwater rich so they will start hiring Americans again.
Off Topic, but I doubt the following will help Mr.Romney
Uh, oh. The tea party and far right won't like reading that, nisl. Be prepared to be raked over the coals. They hate facts and truth.
Oh they don't mind facts and truths , as long as they can make them up.
Romney also likes to repeat GOP talking points that President Obama is anti-business. Just one more lie from Mitt:
Think Progress:
To sum up: In 2010, corporate profits hit an all-time high of $1.37 trillion, business spending increased at least 13 percent between 2009 and 2010, and businesses have been sitting on $2 trillion in cash reserves. Meanwhile, the stock market has performed spectacularly. Indeed, corporate and financial sector profits seem to be the only portions of the economy enjoying a significant recovery from the collapse, as employment, job growth, and housing continue to severely under-perform. As economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman pithily observed in January, this seems to be nothing more than a “Ma, he’s looking at me funny!” complaint over the president’s rhetoric and style.
Romney would have made the wrong decision and our economy would be worse off today because of it.
It will if another Republican is elected to the Presidency in another 200 years.
Veteran ? all war freebies like what like people who care nice going you pick a great day to beat up on a vet
The toughest part the GOP and Romney has to deal with in regards to GM and Chrysler is that government intervention WORKED! And in truth, given the amount of jobs - from line workers to execs to suppliers to janitors - that the auto industry is tied to in this country, McCain/Palin (SHUDDER) would have bailed them out as well.
Its been a SUCCESS. No amount of Romney word salads or back and forth hand-wringing proves otherwise.
And by the way, the Volt is a success. According to GM, it sold 1,108 Volts in October, up from 723 in September. The first month its outsold the all-electric Nissan Leaf. This also brings GM closer to its 2011 sales goal, which is 10,000 Volts sold for the whole year. It also plans to export 6,000 Volts. The Leaf will reach its sales goal im January.
"The first month its outsold the all-electric Nissan Leaf."
Considering the marketing and hype for the Volt(A.K.A Fizzle) this couldn't be better display of it's failure.
"Its been a SUCCESS. No amount of Romney word salads or back and forth hand-wringing proves otherwise"
No, it has been a massive failure. The Volt has LOST UNTOLD BILLIONS in taxpayer dollars. The free market judges success on the bottom line. Making money is what it is about, not PR Bullcrap about 'expectations".
To Government Motors flaks, there is no failure. Selling a few hundred is a success? Only because they say so. No relation to reality.
13 million annual auto sales this year is nothing to sneeze at. The Volt is a smart strategy to plan ahead. You don't perfect the technology the day oil runs out you work out the kinks and slowly integrate it into the system so their is not a drastic increase in the cost to everyday consumers immediately. IMO great job Detroit and great job UAW. The auto industry has rebounded beyond anybody's and everybody's wildest expectations. The bang for the buck that our Nation got on the auto industry deal has been astoundingly enormous. Thank you Mr. President for saving millions jobs for our Nation and for saving millions of employees and their families that are still able to provide for themselves because the auto industry wasn't forced to go bankrupt as Mr. Romney would have allowed heaven forbid he were President. By sticking to his guns on the let-Detroit-go-bankrupt policy Mr. Romney proves exactly what Quint told Hooper in Jaws "it proves that you wealthy college boys don't have the education enough to admit when you're wrong."
Romney does have a trend - Let GM go bankrupt, let foreclosures bottom out...what he doesn't realize is voters have a trend too...he lost against Kennedy, he lost against McCain...
Mitt Romney is right about the Auto industry, with direct comments how government regulations ala
Cafe laws [fuel economy regs] weakened the Auto industry. I don't know how people thing that
the Government that manages Amtrak, Fannie & Freddie can manage the auto industry. Government
over control and ownership of private companies is fascism, plan and simple. Free Enterprise and
Fascism are opposites. Mitt has my vote, because he clearly understands how the economy works,
has proven success and will take on the Red China's currency issues.
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Romney/Gingrich 2012
Mormonism is a cult -- nothing more. From multiple marriages to child abuse, the sick cult endures. Might as well elect Jim Jones as elect Romney. What a farce. Once again, the Republicans are scraping the bottom.
Mary, don't you ever get tired of riding that old horse? Mormonism is no more a cult than the Catholic Church is. BTW, Jim Jones is dead, isn't he? Kind of hard to get on the ballot that way I think.
Barbara, you are exactly right, they are both cults!
Andie469-I think you might of read my post a little wrong there. I am not saying that Catholicism and Mormonism are cults. Of course, in all fairness, I am not a Catholic or a Mormon. But where I can see Jim Jones and David Koresh (did I spell that right?) as cult leaders, I can't see classifying the Pope or the President of the LDS as the same.
On the last day of Boy George’s presidency, the Dow closed at 8218.22. Obama inherited an 8.1% unemployment rate, amid recession and two left-over wars. When Boy George was inaugurated, the National Debt stood at $5.7-trillion. Boy George ran up more debt faster than nearly all of his predecessors combined: just under $4.9-trillion. The National Debt stood at $10.6-trillon on the day Barack Obama took office. Boy George inherited a 4% unemployment rate and more than DOUBLED it when he left office to 8.1%. Boy George's first day = 5.7 trillion debt.....ZERO deficit.....great economy.
Boy George's last day = 10.6 trillion debt....1.3 TRILLION deficit.....great recession. What’s more, the GOP congressional leadership of Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, John Boehner had no problem voting for appropriations that hiked spending above presidential request levels as long as the president was Boy George. Once it became President Obama, suddenly fighting for appropriations at below the requested level became a priority.
You have a vivid imagination the deficit was $500 million when Bush left and unemployment was 7.4%.
Your saying Obama promised to "keep unemployment under 8%" if he got his $1 TRILLION "stimulus" when it was already at 8.1%? Wouldn't that make him a complete moron?
pjam09- Yes it does make him a complete moron.
Berry Obama is a disaster for the U.S. He has know background or experience of how an economy works, he
has implemented crony capitalism paying off political allies and friends and is the most incompetent potus
propped up by the media since Jimmy Carter. Mitt Romney is light years ahead of Barry on competence
economic knowledge and proven record of success. As well as having a character free of scandal or
questionable associates. The only advantage Barry has over Mitt is the media covering for his abject
failures and scandal ridden administration. I have no doubts Mitt will defeat Barry soundly when all the
facts are on the table.
Re" the Volt. Probably an OK vehicle in the city. That is if you have an electric outlet to connect to, while at work. As I understand it, it has only a small range. Perhap you Auto experts can inform me. I don't want one but....
Re: Romney and his position on Abortion etc. I guess that in your small minds no one but a Liberal, is allowed to change his mind in30+ years.
Oh well... This "Old Geezer , 81" gets a kick out of you "youngsters" on these news blogs. Lot of fun reading your comments. But That's OK... You have the right to your opinions. I spent time in the military during two wars to help make sure of that. Only thing I wish is, that you stopped the name calling and instead, try to come up with some costructive ideas.
Have a nice day.
If this country follows greece it will be because mr grover's gop are doing for the wealthiest 1% in this country the same as what the wealthiest 1% in greece already has. Neither pays their fair share of the income taxes. And because of that, greece is more than bankrupt.
Why would anyone want to invest in GM or Chrysler..... The previous investors were screwed, yet the Union got part of both..... Me and mine will never by either brand again..... Ford I am proud of you for standing up for your self. Ford will hang in there for awhile but the Union will finish pulling them down eventually.....
This is nonsense. Who builds the cars? Labor. Why claim that labor is pulling down the auto companies. Who decides what cars to make? Who decides to buy those cars? What labor wants are fair workplace conditions and a salary commensurate with the industry. Perhaps the head of Ford could agree to earn 10 times what a starting laborer earns. How would that work?
KATE: Oh guy is just one more union hater. Didn't you know that the working man and the poor are the root cause of all our nation's ills??? If those Commie unions would only agree to work for a peasant's wages, like back in the days of sweat shops & child labor, so the corporate bigwigs could become even more obscenely wealthy than they currently are, all would be well in our nation.
brought to us by corporations: instantly flammable children pajamas, slave ships, zyklon B poison used to gas Jewish people in the holocaust, Ford Pintos with exploding gas tanks intentionally left in the design after it was brought to the executive staff's attention that they exploded on impact, poisonous medicine's that cause horribly scary side effects, cancer causing pollution and chemicals, swimming pool pumps that suck people's rectums out of their anuses, cigarettes that kill millions of people... just a few examples of what corporations have brought us over the years. I can tell you one thing that Corporations have not brought us-JOBS. In the past decade the US corporate sector has failed to create one net new job. That is right! For every job the fat cats have filled in the US they have terminated or sent overseas at least two jobs and probably more than that for a net loss of jobs. The facts are the facts, the self-proclaimed job creators are the highest paid failures in the history of the entire World. They have been given every advantage in or society yet they have failed to produce. Why do we continue to give so much, to so few, for doing so little for society?
Just walk around a Auto Plant and look at all the ROBOTS..... Each Robot is doing a job that was done by us..... The robot is there because the cost of having the machine do it is cheaper then the cost of that UNION WORKER doing it.... The UNIONS are really not doing you one favor by pushing for MORE & MORE they are just looking out for themselves..... Some day people you learn to stand up for themselves instead of having some UNION MOUTH PIECE speak for you..... Yes I am a UNION HATER and oo by the way I am also an EX-UNION MEMBER..... Thats because I can see what they are really doing to the American Worker..... SCREWING YOU IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.....
As I watched the CNBC Republican debate last night, I felt a wave of depression come over my being; further confirming that my country, that I love so much, is being destroyed by weak minded politicians. Many answered important national economic questions with "canned" campaign rhetoric, that danced around the premise of questions asked. Equally as bad, candidates would directly ignore some controversial questions completely, by using the strategy of "time filling", so as not to offend their "base", and hoping that the moderator would move on to another.
I am a Republican. But I am sorry! I cannot associate myself with the "fools" that were on the stage last night. I believe in limited government, but I do not believe in no government at all. I think who represented my views the best last evening, were Rick Santelli and Jim Kramer.
Rick Santelli is well known as the Father of the Tea Party Movement, but I think he would even agree that the Tea Party has gone too far. Our Party is being held hostage by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Grover Norquist, causing good, intelligent, compromising, Patriotic Conservatives; the likes of Mike Huckabee and Chris Christie not to run for President. Ann Coulter said it best: If Chris Christie fails to run, Romney will win the primary, and Obama will win another term. Unfortunately I must add, after last night's debacle, I can also see us losing the majority in the House, too!
Did they teach you at the Soros funded seminar to pretend you are a Republican?
Oldest trick in the book..maybe I will try it.
I am a liberal Democrat, but Obama has been such a failure as President I am definitely voting GOP.
RD889126
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Are you 7 years old??.........or just dim?
Just like your air head GOP idols, you don't even know the difference between No and Know?
NO - i.e. - negative, none; nothing, opposite of yes?!
KNOW - Can recognise/seen before/familiar with; as in having a clue?!
When you get past ABC, you can start dreaming of going to Harvard like Barry did.
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After graduating from high school, I went to a machinist trade school in 1980. Upon completion of my training I worked in a machine shop in Troy, Michigan. Which is no longer in business I might add. I also worked in a Machine shop in Detroit as well. Which I have to add is no longer in business as well. When I ran across the owner one day I asked him what happend to the shop. And he replied that the Chinese bought him out and that he couldn't compete with their wage scale anyway. Something like $3.00 a day back then. So you see there is the problem right there, That's why our manufacturing is so devastated. A once noble profession like a tool and die maker earning $3.00 a day and other once hard-working middle class profession can no longer compete with these third world countries and their near slave paying salaries. Hence forth in order for America to keep from becoming a third world country itself they have to ban practices with these countries, lest we become like them as well. And surely they will attempt to become like we once were. An Industrial might. Once again I have to go into my addage book of truths and use this one in particular " All money ain't good money". And yes in this case it is best if we put our country first rather than our profits.
So come next election please vote and vote for what's best for all Americans. Not just one certain party or group...
And after reading all of your posts. My conclusion is that your advice nor your help in either wanted or needed. And since all you do is spew garbage. Like Gov. Perry and to include yourself, heed and remember this. "A fool is not a fool until he opens his mouth and leaves no doubt"...
A fool is not a fool until he opens his mouth and removes all doubt.
Romney is a master (at least in his mind) in nuance. GM should have been saved but not like the president did it per Romney. Health care reform by the president, although a mirror image of his plan in Massachusetts, just doesn't cut it on a national scale. Supporters claim Romney isn't a flip flopper but he certainly shaves the corners without any substantive differences. And on the social issues re women's choice, Planned Parenthood funding, NPR funding and so forth, he has clearly established a record which will not bear scrutiny in the eyes of the right wing fundamentalists now in charge of the Republican party. Even his most recent equivocation on the Ohio ballot issue on labor organization rights for public employees points to his weather vane approach to every issue.
Don't understand some of the comments about GM not doing so well. They just reported they are doing quite well in the US. It's the European market that is hurting but that is not their fault because so many European economies are failing at the same time. No auto make is doing well in Europe. The difference between GM and the US government failing is that GM has added several thousand jobs (tax paying jobs, not jobs from taxes), brought manufacturing back onto US soil, and have paid back more than most are quoting here. So we have a company that making jobs, making profit, providing health insurance, and paying taxes. And some still want to complain? Making jobs is something that these same people are demanding from the president and everyone else in Washington. Politicians can NOT create jobs. They can help create an environment that encourages growth that creates profit based increases in jobs. So, it seems that creating jobs is a good thing but if a corporation is hiring relatively large numbers why would you be fighting that.
Romney's afraid, hell, we all should be afraid. Obama's on TV screaming "pass this bill, now" like he's the only guy trying to create jobs. The he pulls this crap, today. The Obama administration announced Thursday that it is delaying the Keystone XL pipeline, a Canadian-backed project that promised to create thousands of American jobs, generate billions in annual state tax revenues, and increase Canadian crude oil imports to America by as much as a quarter billion barrels per year.
"Pass this bill, now" Yes sir, dip$hit, we sure will. This A$$wipe can't be voted out of office fast enough. Any Union member that votes for this clown after he pulled this crap today, needs his head examined. He's more worried about keeping the greenies happy than the welfare of this country.
Do you wonder why the pipeline had to run all the way to Texas to provide oil to the US? There are plenty of refineries up north that could have done the job. Fact is the oil was meant for the world market, not our exclusive (cheaper) benefit.
Maybe that's important to you, Wm-375815, but I don't give a rat's A$$ if the oil was headed for Mars. It would have created thousands of American Jobs and generated billions in annual state tax revenues. That would have been high paying Union Jobs. This pipeline will be built. Obviously not on Obama's watch, but it will be built. I just don't want to hear the lying baztard spout off about how important jobs are to him and how the Congress doesn't give a crap. He's useless. Oh, and I believe the pipelines in the North have about all they can handle coming from North Dakota and Ohio.
A REAL energy policy (and job creator) would be to expand Mandan in ND, connect Mandan to Pine Bend in MN (sixth largest refinery in the US). Pine Bend is already connected to Superior in WI. Pine Bend and Superior already process Canadian oil. Expanding existing refining and processing capacity would be cheaper and more environmentally friendly. Plus the oil would definitely stay in North America.
Refining capacity is the bottleneck. Simply overwhelming existing refining capacity with new oil guarantees that the new oil will be exported. That points out that the Republican House with its 'job bills' hung up in the Senate - have simply been lying ...
Constructing the pipeline would create infrastructure jobs. The Republicans have already stated their position that infrastructure projects only create 'temporary' jobs. So which is it? Are infrastructure jobs important or not? If pipeline jobs are important then so are jobs building highways and bridges -- you should support the American Jobs Act of 2011. If highway jobs are not important - neither are pipeline jobs.
Ron,
You do know the whole story.....????
The people of Nebraska as a majority do not want it running through their state and more importantly over the aquafier that supply water to their citizens.
How is this President Obama's and his administrations fault?
I sick of the talking points of republican supporters - Are you just intentional blind to the facts or just not educated about them?
Again I post and maintain the following.
Which demograhic is the least informed about the Republican Party?
Their Suporters!
Time and Time again they do not post factual truth.
Ron-374386 I guess you don't live anywhere close to where the pipeline was supposed to run. Are you one of the people that say what are we leaving our children and grandchildren with regard to the debt? How about the planet we are leaving them? I would much rather leave our children debt (which has been accumulating for decades and not just since Obama has been in office) than a planet that is uninhabitable.
GM sucks - so does Romney - so do Politics - and Dumbama is wrong in everything.
I meant to post but hit the arrow up by accident (so subtract one). I wanted to say that I disagree with kiwi's dumb-name-calling of the POTUS. Purely sophmoric. Your lack of respect deserves the same.
Red state hillbilies voted Romeny as the republican candidate they'd most like to play a polo match with.
Amazing really..
Did Romney just say that the GM bailout should have been done another way?
But bailing out the banks was OK.
Wow, Obama has handled most of the Bush disaster and there's still a lot left.
Does Romney really think he's up for the tough decisions?
Doesn't appear so......But Cain is the last guy anyone would want to continue the clean up.
You realize the best selling car in America is the Chevrolet Cruze right?
Romney is for and against everything. The perfect man for the job. He can't go wrong.
Aren't we all thrilled he's running, uh, or is he walking, uhhhh, hmmm, I see, he's actually crawling, uhhh, noooo, he's running ....... I think.
To Mark of Tahoe: Corporations are making profits, but they are not expanding, they are not hiring. They hold their profits off shore and dangle them before the American people and complain they would bring their profits home, but only if they aren't taxed. They won't promise to expand or hire, or that they won't use them to increase executive compensation or dividends like they did in '05. What the economic whiz kid misses is that profit while not compensation, does increase share holder wealth if it's not used for expansion or R&D. And if the CEO and other execs are also shareholders, their wealth increases. Neither the 99 nor Obama begrudge the profits, it's what's being done with the profits that matters.
They can't make money investing in their own businesses because there is no demand. It's the same problem as just before the Great Depression. The one difference is that there is not as much over supply which caused the deflation of the '30's. BUT, corporations shouldn't complain that they are being taxed. If the corporations don't want to build the roads and schools, then it's government's job.
Must be a election year, Obama will be re elected and before his next term is over, muslims amazingly will fill a lot of power spots in Washington. Why? Because the libs and the Christian hating atheists will out number the conservatives . Is this a good thing? Hell no!
I admit that Herman Cain is no saint, but who is?
He is a business man though and businesses employee people as long as we make it tough on business we make it tough on us.
How can the few keep supporting the many with out breaking the camels back?
"Why? Because the libs and the Christian hating atheists will out number the conservatives ."
No -- it's because people with brains out number the teatards, the birthers, the flat earthers, the religious fanatics, the brain dead dittoheads and the anti American Republicans. .
Exactly Dennis , unfortunately they will bring America down with them if something is not done to stop them.
dennis fortescu & retiredcoastguard
Do you really think that business will walk away from the American market? That will never happen. They make too much money here in spite of "an unfriendly business environment" and "high taxes" (on paper even if not in reality).
I would wager that if you look into most of the companies that you say will take their business elsewhere that the bulk of their profits come from the United States. Our economy has become one that is consumer based. Long gone is the economy based on manufacturing. We are a post industrial revolution consumer driven economy. No matter what they will not walk away from the market that is most profitable to them.
In reality the American citizens have control. Unfortunately most are too interested in having the newest of everything at the cheapest prices to make sure that they only buy American. That is what could bring business and manufacturing back to the United States.
Andie , if this country falls it will from with in. I am no business man my dad was and i remember he was a good man and a workaholic . I choose a different path. All politicans today have other agendas when they run ( ever ask your self why millionaires want a government job?) It is all about power.
Allow me to rephrase my first sentence in another way. Bad things happen when good people do nothing.
Right now...Muslims are trying to wipe us out.
Religious freedoms are under attack.
Our rights as a free people are under attack.
The only question is what can and will we do about it?