odd, i thought the last memo from the white house to the media propaganda peddlers was to compare OWS to their commonality to the TEA Party.

hard to keep up with the lefty spin. is there a new memo out?

your making fools of yourselves, and dont even know it.

TEA

Kevin: No but I do remember someone from the political right shooting a congresswoman.

Ohhh, lets get New Day and John B, Des Moines, IA involved in this conversation!

Have at it John and New Day! Looks like you two have a disciple with your new friend Kevin.

Wonder how Bawkmann feels about the behavior last year at town halls?

Wonder how she feels about people hollering 'you lie' while the PRESIDENT is trying to speak to our leaders??

I know, I know- 1st ammendment.

When did they move the USS Yorktown to Wall Street?

Wouldn't these people be Occupy USS Yorktown or OUY?

dbo --your are correct they (many) have left the building but here was how the Congress looked:

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House of Representatives

In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chambers until losing both in 1994.

Since when are political rallies, just for your kind of people? That is what is tearing America apart, we can't separate from the Us Vs. Them, mentality. I get food stamps, do I like it? Not really, but then I would have let food prices stay stagnant and not raised them in a recession, because I knew the government would help its citizens. Who is more of a thief, one who uses the system or one who profits off the system?

Good One Rick!

Which 1% is of any vlaue to this country? The wealthy 1%, or the .1% of the 99% (OWS)? I'll side with the ones that don't stink, have some common sense, and manners. The rest need to get on point before they lose any amount of their already miniscule credibility.

Right on AG99. So very true, so very, very true.

Notice how the right is often courteous and not interrupting speeches by the left.

Each side has the right to civil discourse and not to over-shout. Besides, this actually make Bachmann look better. What makes her look bad is the garbage she spews out without interruption.

The "OWS" protesters are noticing that their fellow citizens...and more importantly the media...is turning the page on their messy protests. So if the media won't go to the 'occupiers', the 'occupiers' will go to where the media is covering actual "news". So we'll see them behaving like nitwits at more and more Republican (of course) candidate's campaign events.

And while I am not a huge fan of Ms. Bachmann and don't feel she is up to the job as "president"...I'd have to say to the folks who wrote on this thread about the 'occupiers' freedom of speech...what about Ms. Bachmann's freedom of speech ? She doesn't get that right just because 20 punkish protesters don't want her to have it ?

She should have just shouted, "Bubba I told you and Momma to wait in the truck!"

@ Truepatriot,

Can't you see how you are participating dividing the country with words like Fox Noise, Hate Radio, Teapublicans? The same examples can come from the other side too. And if you support these people interrupting Bachmann, you will then have to support a small group of idiots interrupting Obama using the same metrics.

Fox took a poll of Fox viewers and stated the 43% did disapprove of OWS. In light of the fact that 100% of all news about OWS from Fox is negative it shows that they have not convinced 67% of the same. So 100% news articles negative, 43% of Fox Viewers disapprove = 67% approve of OWS..Fox needs to go outside of just Fox brained propaganist and Talk to real people all Over the WORLD IS An OCCUPATION!

TX,

Same mold made both.

cdahl -- The same examples can come from the other side too.

But you don't provide the same examples, do you? I did, and you don't make a case against any specific thing I posted. Just saying something doesn't make it so.

Please see my post #2.9 below in reply to the rest of your post.

Just because OWS doesn't provide conservatives with a bumper sticker they can understand does not mean they aren't articulating what they represent. In this case they are protesting our broken election system and lack of a free press that reports facts.

And they call these kids hippie slackers. Seems to me they got their act together. Good for them.

Not sure what outcomes may occur from this but I think it would be both foolish and naive to dismiss it outright.

Fox Noise...Hate Radio....Yeah...Madow , Ed and Olberman are true saints...

True,

My example is you. How is your name calling not dividing the country?

I agree....Bachmann is an idiot and who in their right minds would want to listen to her, but if the Occupy crowd wants to remain a force to be reckoned with, they have to act above and beyond anything the Tea Partiers would do. In other words, don't interrupt an idiot speaking even if you don't like what they're saying. The written word works soooo much better, and signs are very effective, especially LOTS of them. It's rude to interrupt someone who is trying to speak whatever side they are on. Occupiers need to mind their manners and not turn into their enemies...the Tea Party crowd. However, along that same note, I DO have to agree with what they were saying...just not quite the way they were saying it. The Occupiers need to remain ABOVE the fray!

cdahl...

Thank you for your sanity...not always apparent on this site, where one can read on an hourly basis just what terrible human beings Republicans...and especially teapartiers ("teabaggers"...how quaint !)...truly are. One can also find out exactly how stupid and racist all Republicans...and especially teapartiers are. And let's not forget how horribly rotten-to-the-core Fox News is.

But the OWS crowd ? Intellectual geniuses and hard working citizens, to the last man or woman. Democrat voters ??? Wow...so impressive ! A lot of brain power evident in some of their voting blocs. 'Freedom of Speech' ??? Good for the shouting OWS folks, but not so good for a U.S. Congresswoman trying to give a speech to her supporters and the press.

And your last line about screamers interrupting politician's speeches ??? Terribly impolite and rude if interrupting Mr. Obama...but heroic and patriotic if interrupting any given Republican on any given day.

Did I forget to mention that all Democrat voters are brilliant, informed, and doing their utmost best to once again make this a great country, all the while repulsing the evil deeds of those rascally Republicans and their sidekicks...'the teabaggers and Faux News" ???

The IMHO OWS were wrong to bother - no sane person is listening to this looney tune

Come on Bachman Jesus will smite them........

I used to believe this too, but i live in the district that keeps voting her lunacy into the Congress.

You are aptly named, Da noid. You do not believe in free speech. Your type are directly descended from the thugs hanging around in beer halls in 1930s Germany.

How funny to hear Tea Partiers bemoan the "lack of courtesy" by these protesters for not allowing Bachmann to speak, considering it was the Tea Partiers who stormed town hall meetings across the country back in 2009, during the health care reform debates, making it a point to shout down the speakers in order to prevent them from delivering their message. Whatsamatter, don't like it when someone does it back to you?

Personally, I'd prefer that they let her speak. The protesters just allowed her to present herself as some sort of poor injured conservative martyr who was hindered from delivering her speech. If the protesters just let her talk, she'd be sure to do her usual first-rate job of royally sticking her foot in her mouth.

@ Falls Guys,

The ranting of the right during Obama's Healthcare/town meetings is as equally unwarranted as Bachmann today. Meaning, those that disrupted Bachmann are as pathetic as those the interpreted the Democratic politician. In this case, tit for tat is something I would never accept. It all has to stop.

Who did they do that to Falls_guy?

Of course... you are one of those who will condone an act because you feel someone else did it first. Says a lot about your character.

These idiots are not the 99%. Let them march..let them have their say....but make them follow the law.

Brutis,

I want to thank you. Now every time someone from the left tries to claim some type of intellectual superiority all I have to do is point to your math skills.

43% + 67% = 110%

Kevin -

FYI - (You evidently didn't get the memo) - The shooter of the congresswoman was a liberal, upset because she was more conservative than he wished her to be. He had even sent her a letter about it and had put something about her on his facebook page.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but...

Actually, I'm not sorry I burst your bubble.

Weird because i only see obama, pelosi and union leaders constantly saying how its the rich against the poor, you know those rich guys that like to say that the poor are being taken advantage of by the rich.

I cant think of anyone that takes advantage of the poor more than the democrat party

maybe they were TP activists and got Bachmann confused with a democrat ... isnt it the TPs job to go to Dem rallies and shout down the speaker

Brutis Bear

Fox took a poll of Fox viewers and stated the 43% did disapprove of OWS. In light of the fact that 100% of all news about OWS from Fox is negative it shows that they have not convinced 67% of the same. So 100% news articles negative, 43% of Fox Viewers disapprove = 67% approve of OWS

HUH?

I recommend you check the batteries in your Sesame Street calculator. 67% + 43% = 110%.

Obviously you're a product of our wonderful government run public school system.

God help America.

tony and cdahl

Please... who do you think you are fooling? You were in FULL SUPPORT when the tea party interrupted the President and town hall meetings. Do not even try to lie and pretend that you were against that action. I would be willing to bet that you go to bed each night with that video footage playing in the background.

You act like your right-wing extremist party is any better. At least the OWS crowd does not mock and "boo" the soldiers fighting for our country, on national television. At least the OWS crowd does not chant "Let him die" when talking about people who can not afford medical care. At least the OWS crowed does not curb-stomp the heads of young women from opposing parties... ya, that's right. We still remember the people like YOU cheering when a tea party member STOMPED the head of a young women into the pavement. Your GOD must be so proud.

At least the Occupy Drones didn't shoot anyone at the event, you know like in Burlington VT

Nice attempt to spin a self-inflicted gunshot into "oh their shooting people!".

Pathetic.

Fomer GOP,

Please click on my name, go back 4 years and cite one example of how I support childish behavior, or have been disrespectful to anyone else, ever. And FYI, I voted for Obama, and probably will again because the right doesn't have a viable candidate.

And as you are going back, may I go back on you to see if your name calling and labeling has just shown its true colors today, or has it come up before?.....

Don't recall all these shootings, rapes, robberies, violence, destruction of private property at any Tea Party events.

No, but I do recall that Tea Party protest in which they were spitting on and calling members of Congress n**ers and fa**ts. Or have you forgotten that one?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/20/AR2010032002556.html

fomer-GOP

At least the OWS crowd does not mock and "boo" the soldiers fighting for our country, on national television.

Oh Spanky, you Lefties are so cute when you try to hide behind your hypocrisy.

You Liberals brag about your support of the troops and in the next breath you demand we eliminate the military budget.

But then again the military is only one of the few Constitutionally mandated Enumerated Powers we are responsible for. But you don't care as long as your nanny-state isn't dissolved so you can keep suppressing the poor in poverty. Keep promising more to keep them down, right?

Liberals, so easy.

Brutis the Bear you need to go back to school. 43 from 100 is 57, not 67.

Just a bunch of douche bags whose Mom and Dad didn't love them enough!

Someone please pay attention to me.

OWS is just like the Tea Party... the original one, not the modern senior citizen 'get your government hands off my medicare' tea party... The BOSTON Tea Party!! WoooHoooo, party like it's 1773!!

Chris from Yuciapa,

Just because a group of idiots called people names and were completely out of line, so far out of line that they tainted the movement, cannot possibly justify the other side being as obnoxious.

I suspect that these disruptions are coordinated with Obama's re-election campaign.

Perhaps the '99%' should protest where the policies that have blocked job growth originate - The White House.

I would have thought the best way to shut Bachman up would be to ask her an intelligent question.

Just Concerned.....you need to be alittle bit more concerned with facts rather than sensationalism (or do you work in the media) rape, robberies, property damage, etc etc etc occur daily everywhere, even in Right Wing strongholds like say Texas. There is no excuse for them crime is crime, criminals should be punished...to then brand a whole group of people as a result of the bad acts of a few is of course silly....you might as well say all Texans are criminals because someone got robbed there, so that is getting you nowhere in the intelligent debate.

to you and Tammy, the problem with the guy who shot Congresswoman in Ariz is not what was in his head, it was what was in his hand. You can't fix stupid but you can stop them from arming themselves. You trying to apply a level of thought to a nutcase just sorta puts you in the same boat, Right or Left.

Political protest has always been a part of the American phsyce if not for that we would still be fighting the Viet Nam War (sorry Police Action). Let the protests continue on both sides in the end the ballot box will decide who wins.

The OWS agenda is quite clear to me.....they are seeking to draw attention to the ever increasing gap between the rich and the poor.....and before you go on about the 47% of people that don't pay any "tax" (of course you mean Federal Income Tax) remember that a portion of that 47% are the very wealthy and corporations that pay no tax because they can afford the lawyers and accountants to take advantage of the loopholes provided by their lobbists and the politicians in their pockets ....its not just the people that don't have jobs or don't earn the threashold. The Tea Party and Faux News better get off that 47% don't pay taxes before somebody starts making a point of who is included in that 47% namely a whole lot of 1%ers and the poo really hits the fan.

What's wrong with a little fairness in the system.....I have worked and paid mineand my family's way all my life(in 3 different countries).....I don't like taxes and I don't like wars for the benefit of the Military Industrial Complex, I don't like seeing a generation of welfare babies and welfare cheats and I don't like the Donald Trumps of the world who declare bankruptcy at the drop of hat and reinvent themselves with a new entity the following week while all the creditors get a penny on the dollar....yes there are alot of bad things that need fixing....how 'bout we start with a bit of fairness you know the good old American Way.

Classy "occupy" real classy.

Funny how the right wingers here laugh at and call the OWS people dirty hippies. When the tea partiers look like a bunch of armed thugs at their rallies.

In fact the OWS people are from all segments of society. Young and old, black and white, poor and middle class (no 1% ers though) Whereas tea people all seem to be old white guys.

You tea baggers need to realize, your 15 minutes are up. Your astro turf movement is over. It's a new day out there and the 99% have the stamina to see it through.

Chris from Yucaipa

"oh their shooting people!".

Psssst, it should be they're,,,not their. You see they're is an abbreviation of they are and their,,,,oh never mind, it's like talking to a wall with you Libbies. I thought you were supposed to have such superior intellect.

No, but I do recall that Tea Party protest in which they were spitting on and calling members of Congress n**ers and fa**ts. Or have you forgotten that one?

Really Chrissy? Really? Show me a video of it. Link me baby!

Using the Huff-N-Puff Post and Washington Post rags is NOT credible evidence. But I have about 10 videos of that "alleged" event that show no such activity.

Oh, and by the way, Andrew Breitbart still has the check for $10,000 made out to cash if you can prove that any of your racist propaganda ever occurred.

Pathetic is right.

@Emperor Leto:

No 1% er's! haha! Did you forgot about Michael Moore, what a hypocrite he is?

Once again;

Bachmann is harmless at this point.

The Occupy protesters should be interrupting speeches by the "Fed" patsy named Herman Cain.

Regardless of changing "Hope" for "Grope", Cain worked for the "Federal Reserve".

The "FED" who wrote the book on how to rape the entire United States!!!

TXHorseman - if you need the difference explained, you won't understand it anyway.

Just Concerned - if you really don't get it, I will point out to you that this is a much larger movement than you want to recognize. The group involved in NY isn't neccessarily comprised of the same people as the group in DC that you (nastily) refer to.

Judging by so many comments on this board, it is easy to see the intelligence, class, and just plain idocy and lack of any decency of the OWS and it's supporters. No surprise to be reading of them peeing and pooping on the streets, on people, raping women, trashing public and private areas and in general stinking up the areas where they congregate. And they claim THEY are 99% of Americans?? OH HELL NO!

Chris from Yucaipa,

How did you spend the $10K reward from Andrew Breitbart for the proof of the Tea Party's racial epithets on Rep Lewis?

A: It never happened and you are not $10K richer. His story changed several times after the so called incident.

I guess all you need to do is make up stuff and sell it as fact. It all comes down to if you repeat the lie enough, some people will accept it as fact.

Relating to the actual story here, I go as far to say the protestors violated Rep Bachman's 1st amendment rights in a way. Kinda funny how they all sound like mindless drones repeating the words of their head protestor.

to the failed policies of the right wing ideologues jamming "austerity plans" down the throats of Greece, Italy, Ireland, France, Britain and ... if they can get away with it ... the United States.

This got over a 100 votes! Wow good one OWS. Go with that...LOL!!!! So I guess the 99% are supposed to support the 1% that spent themselves into oblivion. The PIIGS were given a choice. We will lend you the money and you quit living beyond your means and pay it back or go ahead and default on your debts and you are on your own. I guess you just expect everyone else in the World to support these PIIGS forever. Just LOL....If that is your Mantra this has got to be one of the Lamest Movements in the last 50 years. Gimmeee, gimmee, gimmmee. Makes as much sense as the Movement you left on the Police Cars.

Maybe people are just tired of listening to right winger BimBo's did her panties get in a wad? I hope so.

Too bad she could have used today as training for when she was gonna be president. She'd be getting a lot of today then.

How could she handle a call in the WH at 3am?

When was the last time a TPer firebombed a building? An OWS member did so just two nights ago in Portland Oregon. When was the last time a TPer raped someone at a rally? Or assaulted elderly people, or Blocked someone in a wheelchair from leaving a building? Or assaulted news casters for asking what their message was? Or was openly supported by the White Power movement? Or called for the killing of "Wallstreet Jews"?

Yeah, it's the Tpers who are crazy, definitely not OWS. LOL.

You capitalize on dividing Americans / claiming people that disagree with you / are unpatriotic socialists / and you promote discrimination."

Hey, it's the truth -- The truth the audience never hears because they only tune into FOX Noise and Hate Radio if they watch news at all. Bachmann supporters are the ones who should shut up and sit down. The Teapublicans in general divide Americans, whether private sector against public sector, businesses against employees, rich against poor, and have attacked pretty much everyone from women to organized labor to voters.

Teapublicans claim they represent "the American people" -- They throw this term around non-stop though polls show the majority in our country dislike the GOP and especially the Tea Party. Most of all the majority wants tax reform that requires the rich and corporations to pay their fair share, wants an end to the wars, do not want to make abortion illegal--at least not in cases of rape/incest or endangering the mother's life, wants Social Security to be strengthened not dismantled, and on and on.

Bachmann has no clue what "socialized medicine" is, and Teapublicans in general don't know what "socialism" is. It is the GOP/TP with unconstitutional oaths to lobbyists who have made a pact to undermine the economy who are unpatriotic. Anyone who supports "starve the beast" anarchism, secession/confederate flag, voter suppression whether at the voting booth or OWS to assemble and have free speech, or desire a system in which every man, woman and child is out for themselves are not only unpatriotic but treasonous.

In regard to discrimination, the Bachmann's have clearly been discriminatory toward gays and women's rights and bigotry from race to religion. This also applies to most Teapublicans in general. It's high time people like Bachmann are confronted, and that the 99% stands up against all forms of oppression.

Go OWS!

A Yank in Australia

to then brand a whole group of people as a result of the bad acts of a few is of course silly....

Hmmmmm, so lemme get this straight. No one should “brand” a whole group of people? No labels? No assumptions?

You mean like the Left who so pleasantly labels the TEA Party as racists, homophobes, angry old white people and any other level of vitriol? Silly? No. Hypocrisy.

You can't fix stupid but you can stop them from arming themselves.

OK. So then I recommend we stop all people from driving. Right? Over 36,000 people died last year in motor vehicle accidents.

You trying to apply a level of thought to a nutcase just sorta puts you in the same boat,

HEY!!!! How did you know I have a boat?

remember that a portion of that 47% are the very wealthy and corporations that pay no tax because they can afford the lawyers and accountants to take advantage of the loopholes provided by their lobbists and the politicians in their pockets ....

You make two excellent points, but I don’t think you’ll agree with me.

So, how do you propose to fix this problem of tax inequality? Raise the tax rate on the rich? They’ll just hide their money like they did when the rates were 70%. Close loopholes? Which ones. There are over 72,000 pages of tax code and it changes at least once EVERY SINGLE DAY! The wealthy will just hire the next math or economic geek graduating from Harvard, MIT or Wharton’s to find the next batch of loopholes. Do you HONESTLY trust any tax reform of the criminal progressive tax system we have that is designed to be evaded, avoided, abused and manipulated? Especially when 50% of the members of our Congress are millionaires, as compared to only 1% in the private sector.

A Fair Tax is the ONLY fair and equal tax. A consumption tax lets you keep all your money and do what YOU want to do with it, NOT a bunch of criminals in government that have created tens of trillions of dollars of debt for us.

I don't like the Donald Trumps of the world who declare bankruptcy at the drop of hat and reinvent themselves with a new entity the following week while all the creditors get a penny on the dollar....

I think you mean what Obama and the government did to the GM and Chrysler stock holders right? You remember when he took over the companies and then redistributed the wealth among the union and government. Right? Leaving the pre-bankruptcy shareholders holding the proverbial bag.

how 'bout we start with a bit of fairness you know the good old American Way.

Fairness? Sure. But tell me one thing. Who will be the omnipotent purveyor of said fairness? You? Me? The government? Charlie Sheen?

You see Yank, this is the conundrum. Who in this world decides what is fair? Who has the ultimate neutrality to decide who should get what and who should they get it from? I’ll tell you who?

NO ONE!!!!!!

What I or you or anyone else in this world has, earns or creates is mine, yours and whoever else's only. If you work hard and become successful, God Bless you. It’s none of my business. And please don’t give me the, “Well, I worked hard to make you rich so I deserve some of what you have”, BULLS**T!

If you want to have more, work harder, change professions, start your own successful business, rob a bank, I DON’T CARE!

But don’t think I, or anyone else, owes you more than you’re worth.

It’s impossible to determine.

That, my good friend, is the REAL American way.

Gosh, I hope Michelle's feelings weren't hurt. Incidents like this can inflame otherwise dormant perspectives.

Did I forget to mention that all Democrat voters are brilliant, informed, and doing their utmost best to once again make this a great country, all the while repulsing the evil deeds of those rascally Republicans and their sidekicks...'the teabaggers and Faux News" ???

Thanks for reminding everyone of the truth Tony.

american-2051576-- OWS must be doing something right to grow as it has in only a matter of weeks. Is "We are the 99%" is too complicated for you?

JustConcerned-4468020 -- You need to get out more often, out of the right-wing Echo Chamber and Cone of Silence. Start by watching the video of Elizabeth Warren, and then look up Jan Schakowsky's Fairness in Taxation bill, and heck, just get a grip. The OWS and supporters aren't interested in your every man, woman and child for themselves world vision.

Looks like the so called "99%" speak up again. I may not like Bachmann, or how our government is run, but I wish these idiotic, sheeple protesters would have common courtesy and not act like d-bags. What they did is highly disrespectful.

The police don't let the Westboro Baptist Church invade soldiers' funerals with their picketing and speeches, but they'll allow OWS to invade whatever they want? Hypocrisy.

Whatever happened to "I may not like him/her, but I respect him/her?"

I love the liberals too stupid to realize that merely claiming that you represent 99% of us doesn't make it so.

I'm gonna make a Republican group called the 167%ers. It means we represent 167% of everyone.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66574.html

Here's your precious Politico even admitting you only represent 37% of Americans. Funny how that number is closing in on the percentage of people on some sort of Federal assistance.....

Bottom line.....37% =/= 99%....no matter how much you insist it does. Nor is 37% > 63%.....no matter how much you insist you're tha majority.

TruePatriot-445959

The OWS and supporters aren't interested in your every man, woman and child for themselves world vision.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Lemme guess. You're a Constitutional Modernist. No, you're probably one of those normative reinforcement pseudo-patriots aren't you? It really doesn't matter we understand your confusion.

Of course you and the pity-party OWS aren't interested. That's because you have been indoctrinated into the irrational belief that we are a Democracy. Which, by the way, insults your moniker.

It's OK. Once true Conservatives take back the White House and both Houses of Congress we'll educate you in the true meaning of patriotism under a Federal Constitutional Republic.

I have to warn you though, deprogramming is a long and difficult process.

BTW, I laughed through Elizabeth Warren's video. You Libbie's are so cute when you try to act like you have a clue.

As far as Jan Schakowsky's Fairness in Taxation bill, good luck. By the way if all the millionaires and billionaires are so eager to waste their money by giving it to a government that can't balance it's own budget, send a few million to the Dept. of Treasury. Timmy "Turbo Tax" Geithner will be happy to abuse, waste, use it

Just Concerned....no problem generally with what you say....

I have never branded the Tea Party as whatever (but I have seen the interviews and some of them don't seem to be from the deep end of the gene pool, not all of them I'm sure) but please don't call the OWS Hippies it is an embarrassment to us. I am against government waste...not necessarily government spending, who decides what is waste and what is ligit....not sure maybe the voters.

I mentioned Donald Trump and his ilk using Bankruptcy Laws to rip off small businessmen and other creditors your answer to that was to blame Obama?????? Surely you can't blame Obama because Donald Trump and his ilk have no conscience and will rip off anybody without a thought. He and his ilk should be in jail and if a few more were put in jail perhaps there would be a bit less of that....but then we would have to displace some of those deadbeat dads, welfare cheats, petty thieves, pot smokers etc because they are the real criminals....back to your conundrum who gets to decide you say no one I say the voters.

In respect to your driving comparrison....this is not a reasonable response....unfortunately this is generally the type of response you get when there is no reasonable response except to grasp at a radical comparrison. Some dogs bite people....killing all dogs is not a reasonable response.

Be that as it may some of your points are valid and reasonable.

We have a consumption tax in Aust. the tax is not the problem it is what the tax is spent on that I have a problem with. Fix the roads no problem, send young men to Afghanistan to get killed for no reason that I have a problem with.

So we vote for people (a bad start to begin with) that we believe are going to spend our tax dollars reasonably, efficiently, and honestly....TERM LIMITS!!!

In respect to the wealthy, if they are always going to find a way to get around paying taxes what makes you think they won't get around your fair tax? One problem I have with them at the moment and their Republican minions is that they want to repatriate all the money they have made overseas shipping American manufacturing jobs to cheaper labor forces back to the US...why because of the currently favourable exchange rates then that money is going straight back overseas to build bigger and sweater sweat shops. How about we base their tax rates lower rates on jobs created in the US and really wack them if they take their jobs overseas....how's that for fair.

I don't think we owe anyone more than what they are worth either....but who determines "worth" someone paid the Kardishians supposedly 17mil to have a 72 day marrige (on that rate mine at over 25 years is worth a small country or 2) the basketball players want more money for playing a game but it seems "they" always want to minimise pay for police, fire, education, the things people need and don't mind paying for. Why would some CEO be worth millions a year for running a company in to the ground or sending all of its contracts overseas????? Unfortunately from what I am seeing this seems to be the REAL AMERICAN WAY, paying people a lot more than what they are worth in the overall scheme of things.

Hey how did you know I have a gun....and a car?

The Right don't (if you listen to Fox News) seem to accept that the current President was actually elected (by a landslide in the overall scheme of things) so for some reason the people must have thought that this was better than the alternative (who can blame them).

anyway we can continue this another time in another thread ..... I have a job as well.

Gharms

Here's your precious Politico even admitting you only represent 37% of Americans. Funny how that number is closing in on the percentage of people on some sort of Federal assistance.....

Actually it fits almost perfectly. Only 20% of the population admits they are Liberal and the poverty rate just jumped up to 16%. Even though much of that may be overlapping, 36% is pretty darn close.

What I found even more interesting in your link was in the comment section.

Brookfield Renewable Power Co. The latter owns Granite Wind Power Co. in New Hampshire. Granite recently received a $167 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy under President Obama's economic stimulus program.

Among BAM's stockholders is one George Soros.

Small world, isn't it!

The hypocrisy never ends, does it?

Ah yes, the loud obnoxious minority rears their fugly heads again. Yeah we are ALL Ninety Nine Percenters who aren't the top 1% of income earners (like bigtime radical left wing liberal socialist media guru George Soros who is BEHIND the OCW movement). But I agree with just about NOTHING these fascist radical left wing moonbats believe in (like forgiving ALL debt both private and public and international...exactly how clueless are these idiots?).

And take note not ONE of these useful idiots are debating or even talking about the BILLIONS that were wasted in an $860B stimulus bill passed nearly three years ago that went to such wonderful things such as now-failed Big Green Energy companies like Solyndra. And now the Democrat liberals in Washington led by Obama want another $500B in a "stimulus" bill? The first one was supposed to keep unemployment from going above 8% according to Biden. Here's Obama's great record on our taxpayer dollars so far (that the top 10% of income earners pay 70% of):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnnyshop/6196456311/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Four more years of ^^that^^??? I don't THINK SO.

Am I the only one who laughs when I read someone saying, "what the Tea Party would do", when after all, the Tea Party doesn't do the dreadful things OWS does. And by the way, when people bridle when someone rises up in a crowd and calls Obama a liar, recall Obama, this rude little man, this moral midget, this political hack attempting to embarrass members of the supreme court at a state-of-the-union convocation. This showed boorish manners and the least class known for an American president. If you are going act like, as Clinton said, a Chicago thug, don't act shocked to be treated like one.

The Right don't (if you listen to Fox News) seem to accept that the current President was actually elected (by a landslide in the overall scheme of things) so for some reason the people must have thought that this was better than the alternative (who can blame them).

Hey Yank: I don't know where you came from, but here in America a vote of 53% to 46% is NOT a landslide! A "landslide" would be when Reagan beat down Carter, who only won TWO STATES. Further, Obama ran as a moderate, which really swung the edge in his favor, not to mention a lot of Republicans didn't like McCain and stayed home during the election (McCain is considered a liberal Republican on many issues).

In any event, the current approval rating of Obama as he enters his FOURTH YEAR into his term is around 43%, with a 51% disapproval. Not looking good for him. But go on back to your liberal Utopian fantasy land where your views are reality and anyone who doesn't share your views are evil, nazis, Fox News idiots, racists, haters, stupid, [insert liberal epithet against conservatives here: ________] .

America is waking up and fighting back. The silent majority that is.

Psssst, it should be they're,,,not their.

First sign of someone without anything intelligent to say, jump for the grammatical error.

A Yank in Australia

I am against government waste...not necessarily government spending, who decides what is waste and what is ligit....not sure maybe the voters.

Waste is when the government brazenly admits to us that there is $700 Billion dollars of waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid and does absolutely nothing about it. When the GAO reports that we have between $100-$200 Billion dollars in redundant waste, fraud and abuse in our massive bureaucracy of government. When the Department of Justice uses our tax dollars to send its members to a conference and they pay $16 dollars for a muffin! I’m pretty sure that’s waste, don’t you?

your answer to that was to blame Obama?????? Surely you can't blame Obama because Donald Trump and his ilk have no conscience and will rip off anybody without a thought. He and his ilk should be in jail and if a few more were put in jail perhaps there would be a bit less of that....

I certainly do blame Obama. Not for what Trump has done, but for what Obama has done. As an elected official, especially a president, he has a Constitutional obligation to respect and enforce contracts. That is, once again, one of the Enumerated Powers. When our elected leaders get away with it how can anyone judge what Donald Trump or anyone else does? We honor our elected civil servants with our vote to do what is right and proper.

Fix the roads no problem, send young men to Afghanistan to get killed for no reason that I have a problem with.

Simple, elect Constitutional Conservatives . As a Constitutional Monarchy you have that option. But realize not all war is “for no reason”. We, and your great nation, have a responsibility to pursue freedom for those that request it. In today’s world this is a daunting problem, but sometimes it needs to be done. I agree, however, that Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam and the other involvements we are or were in are bad, exit strategies obviously were not a consideration.

but who determines "worth" someone paid the Kardishians supposedly 17mil to have a 72 day marrige (on that rate mine at over 25 years is worth a small country or 2) the basketball players want more money for playing a game but it seems "they" always want to minimise pay for police, fire, education, the things people need and don't mind paying for.

How much is someone worth? The only way it can be decided is by the free-market. The fools that gave the Kardishians all that money are responsible. If they didn’t think it was worth it they shouldn’t have given so much (I honestly didn’t even know who she was until I read the article about her,,,,lol). Athletes, entertainers, celebrities and others are, once again, worth what the market allows. It’s the only fair way. Otherwise you start getting into wage/price controls. That will collapse any society faster than any government intrusion.

Why would some CEO be worth millions a year for running a company in to the ground or sending all of its contracts overseas?????

This, my friend, is the Trillion dollar question. But remember, those salaries are not determined by the CEO alone, the Board of Directors must approve it. Contrary to most delusions the Left has about capitalism, most CEO’s are worth every dollar they make. I agree that when a company fails the ridiculous bonuses and golden parachutes are inappropriate. However, the private sector and free-market needs to determine that. Had the government allowed the banks to fail rather than bail them out a powerful message would have been sent to the corporate world. Unfortunately what it did was breed a bigger culture of corruption as they know any malfeasance or malinvestment will be rewarded rather than punished. We just went through another government intrusion into the “private sector” (this is questionable due to its origin) as the CEO’s of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were granted multi-million dollar bonuses as both GSE’s continue to collapse. It’s funny isn’t it? The CEO’s of the private sector are demonized by Obama and the OWS but not a peep is heard about this. Hypocrisy can be no thicker.

Hey how did you know I have a gun....and a car?

All real men and women have a gun.

;) Good night.

Chris from Yucaipa

First sign of someone without anything intelligent to say

I'd say my correction of your apparent lack of intellect was quite intelligent. Most Liberals, as yourself, believe that--their, there and they're-- all mean the same thing.

Did I embarrass you?

;)

OWS protesters:

• "We are the 99%"
• "We are against the Wall Street Fat Cats"
• "We are against the BANKS"
• "We want FREE, FREE, FREE everything"
• "We want to be like Greece"

Now these Union sponsored Liberal thugs are going off their agenda and after politicians ? Mr. Obama.......YOU MIGHT BE NEXT.

cdahl: I guess you've never been to a town hall meeting on health care when the repugs shouted at ANYONE who disagreed with them and presented those repugs with something called FACTS. Faux xnooze SUED for the right to lie and they've been doing it for quite some time now. You want less divisiveness? Turn off limpbag, faux, and hannity. Read sources from outside the US.

I admire the OWS protesters because they contributed to the defeat of the republican agenda in Ohio.

JustConcerned-4468020

Waste is when the government brazenly admits to us that there is $700 Billion dollars of waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid and does absolutely nothing about it.

ROFLOL! Where do you people come up with this crap? I can't even read the rest of your post because this is so incompetent it is ridiculous. Ask yourself what the entire budget was for Medicare & Medicaid, and then read what you wrote. Think about it for a moment… I’ll wait. Here is a little hint in your analysis; you just told us that 88% of all spending on Medicaid and Medicare was waste, fraud and abuse. Now let me go down to the local nursing home or community health clinic and tell the seniors and impoverished there that the healthcare they are receiving is waste, fraud and abuse. Next, I’ll go tell the people suffering from debilitating illnesses that they are just a waste of time, acting fraudulent, and abusing the system.

cdahl

True, My example is you. How is your name calling not dividing the country?

What are you doing to reach across the aisle? A long time ago I said I would stop saying "teabagger" when conservatives stop saying "Obamacare." Also, you may note I never call other posters names, rather my disdain is directed at the GOP/TP, their leadership, and recycled failed platform. When something is illogical it is idiotic, and I'm merely tagging it for what it is, and most of all the hypocrisy from the far-right that is so astronomical we can't even keep up with it.

What TeaThuglicans have been accustomed to is liberals laying down and becoming a door mat. The complaints that the president is campaigning as the Democrat candidate, as all presidents do before an election, is a great example of this. Of course you would like him to cower in silence, maybe even tie one hand behind his back, but heaven forbid he actually speaks in public while he is POTUS and leader of the free world.

TeaThuglicans have been accustomed to name calling and every kind of underhanded "strategery" to win because they completely lack merit. TeaThuglicans are not accustomed to their own medicine. It is high time the "silent majority" and progressives stand up to them -- And as we see in this forum it is making them livid.

JustConcerned-4468020-- Aside from "diarrhea of the mouse," I agree with TakeDownCathy above. Go ahead and laugh at Elizabeth Warren talking about how businesses benefit from our infrastructure, educated workforce, safety domestically (thanks to firemen and police) as well as internationally (thanks to the military), and so forth. YES, corporations need to repay the tax payers, and need to pay it forward to their employees. And my guess is Warren is going to kick Scott "Centerfold" Brown's arse.

10tacle-- Please look up words like fascists, and look up Goodwin's Law about reference to Nazis (a form of fascism). Fascism is pro-military, corporatist, one-Party (usually a dictatorship) that are right-wing systems, not liberal. While you're at it, ask Michele Bachmann if she realizes subsidies for agriculture in her district and government manipulation of the price of food commodities is a form of "socialism."

Well well well, isn't this cute.

The OWS crowd appear to be just another idiot-liberal / commie bunch, dead set on rewarding slackards and attacking the achievers.

The only thing that will begin to disuade me from this opinion is if they do the same to President Obama, as Obama is clearly in the pocket of big Pharma, big Health Insurance, GE, Wall St Bankers (Obama has the largest % of former Goldman Sachs employees ever working in the White House), etc...

Until these small minded children take on the real corporate corruption in this nation, they are just another uber-liberal bunch of noise.

TakeDownCathy

I can't even read the rest of your post because this is so incompetent it is ridiculous.

Hey Einstein, you do realize those numbers are for a 10 year period, how it's usually reported.
Actually I used the lower end figures. This is from the June 2009 NHCAA report titled Fighting Health Care Fraud: An Integral Part of Health Care Reform. The estimate ranges from 3-10 percent per year or $67-$224 Billion a year. So the actual WF&A can be between about $700 Billion Dollars to $2.25 Trillion over 10 years. This was the same report our Incompetent in Chief was quoting in 2009-2010 when he was bragging about how he was going to "combat" all the waste, fraud and abuse.

I'll let you find the most recent numbers to see how well PPACA is doing eliminating WF&A. I'm sure you'll be proud to see the "progress" in your Progressive's efforts. How did you put it? ROFLOL!

Here's the link, so you can educate yourself Nurse Ratchett.

info.thomsonhealthcare.com/?elqPURLPage=552

Good God, why do I have to keep educating you buffoons? I keep hearing you self-aggrandizing about your alleged intellect. If I was you I'd demand my money back.

Liberals, so easy! Or should I say incompetent.

How dumb is Bachmann?

She's soooooo dumb, she thought the OWS people were there cheering her on in support of her nuttiness.

bwahahahahahahahahaha...

TruePatriot-445959

Go ahead and laugh at Elizabeth Warren talking about how businesses benefit from our infrastructure, educated workforce, safety domestically (thanks to firemen and police) as well as internationally (thanks to the military), and so forth.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Yes, I'll be sure to listen to the astute "leadership" of another academic elitist who has never created a job in her life. As she bounced around most of her life trying to figure out what else she can do while popping a few babies out. Finally deciding to be a teacher.

How does the old idiom go? People who are able to do something well can do that thing for a living, while people who are not able to do anything that well make a living by teaching. I'm sure you're familiar with this quote by George Bernard Shaw the avowed Socialist Fabian Society member. Progressives love this criminal. Most likely for his beliefs in eugenics. But I digress.

So anyway. Did Elizabeth Warren gain all her vast knowledge of business and job creation from reading a book? Maybe she is among the uber-elite Liberal crowd and wrote a book about it? Nope, can't find any books she wrote.

Perhaps you poor misinformed Libbies need to finally break down and talk to a few people who have actually gone out and started a business and created a job or two. I mean, look how well our Unemployer in Chief is doing with our job crisis. Maybe Elizabeth should let him read the same book she did.

This is embarrassing to even be discussing.

Good night, and so forth.

They interrupted Bachmann? The might just be bat@!$%# sane.

These particular Occupiers were out of line. I wouldn't vote for Bachmann if she were the very last candidate, but I support her right to give a speech to people who wanted to listen what she had to say without being interrupted by a bunch of ill-mannered children

Nah, they weren't out of line. This is somwhat similar to the red faced tea partiers screaming down anyone who tried to explain healthcare during the town halls. The difference lies in that the OWS protestors were delviering a message, not just yelling to be disruptive and angry.

It may be deemed rude or whatever, but they have their right to speak. They spoke. They left.

No harm done.

As if Bachmann was going to say anything worth hearing. Good opportunity to stupefy an already dumbfounded crowd.

OWS, its all over but the hypothermia.

What beef do the T-heads have with OWS? I fail to see it although I do see the downtrodden teabaggers acting like the 1% when in fact they belong in the doldrums of the 99%. Isn't the republiclown lineup for president reason enough to render these cry babies irrelevant? Very strange.

This is what these occupier morons do best, which is to exercise their constitutional rights of free speech while denying that same right to others.

The frantic post collapsers are hard at work here doing the same thing. Kindred sprits, eh?

Good, what she has to say is just more political lies. She is from the same mold as Sara P less than 70 on the IQ scale

True Patriot - Excellent Post!

The GOP and Tea Party Sympathizers will come along and collapse any comment that tells the truth.

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You capitalize on dividing Americans / claiming people that disagree with you / are unpatriotic socialists / and you promote discrimination."

Hey, it's the truth -- The truth the audience never hears because they only tune into FOX Noise and Hate Radio if they watch news at all. Bachmann supporters are the ones who should shut up and sit down. The Teapublicans in general divide Americans, whether private sector against public sector, businesses against employees, rich against poor, and have attacked pretty much everyone from women to organized labor to voters.

Teapublicans claim they represent "the American people" -- They throw this term around non-stop though polls show the majority in our country dislike the GOP and especially the Tea Party. Most of all the majority wants tax reform that requires the rich and corporations to pay their fair share, wants an end to the wars, do not want to make abortion illegal--at least not in cases of rape/incest or endangering the mother's life, wants Social Security to be strengthened not dismantled, and on and on....

In regard to discrimination, the Bachmann's have clearly been discriminatory toward gays and women's rights and bigotry from race to religion. This also applies to most Teapublicans in general. It's high time people like Bachmann are confronted, and that the 99% stands up against all forms of oppression.

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Bachmann stated that she "loves the first amendment."

How ironic - even though we all know that Bachmann has a Failed Presidential Bid for the White House - the first amendment would have been the first freedom to fall - under her "Presidency."

...only the Right would actually believe this hypocrite.!

#1.61 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:29 PM EST

The Right just cannot strand the Truth!

I think its time for a gool 'ol referendum of goverment in the USA. 3/4 of the population being on the same page seems like a huge mountain to climb, but what is worse is voting for either side in any election. It is far far past time for the US public to rise up and put an end to modern politics. Vote them ALL out. 236 years is a wonderful run for any form of government. Maybe we should try for a real Democracy instead of this dog and pony show we have running our lives.

JustConcerned-4468020,

Your link is worthless. Maybe you don't know how to post a link? Show proof for your data.

JustConcerned-4468020,

So I found the report you are citing Healthcare Matters: Thomson Reuters.

You said:

“Waste is when the government brazenly admits to us that there is $700 Billion dollars of waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid”

YOU LIE!!!

The article at http://info.thomsonhealthcare.com/?elqPURLPage=475 talks about ALL HEALTH CARE, not just Medicare and Medicaid.

YOU LIE LIE LIE just like a republican only knows how. Either that or you are a moron.

1otacle - add up the electoral college...it was a landslide and especially so when you consider it was a "black" no count, dumb, inexperienced, thug from Chicago against a wily old war Vet and POW it was a landslide of biblical proportions. The only poll is the one in Nov. 2012 the rest are all BS, believe what you want. Oh if you only knew I am as conservative as they come....I just have a nice mixture of intelligence, education, upbringing, and experience which allows me to think and view all issues independently rather than follow aimlessly like a sheep baa baa baa.

JustConcerned - why pick out medical waste and fraud there is plenty of it in all programs and functions of Gov. how 'bout we look at the defense budget....the waste and fraud would triple the medical figures. I note that no one has been charged with this massive waste....evidence must be a bit shaky, your figures are in fact estimates pure guesswork.

Oh and maybe you didn't catch this (wasn't reported on Faux) the $16 muffin was a Fox News Fact and as it turned out the whole meal was $16 not just the muffin....good deal end the end... oops.

Happy to hold everyone accountable for what they have or haven't done, not sure that the Pres. has declared bankruptcy several times and ripped off creditors or committed any criminal act (just because you don't like it don't make it a hanging offense). If you don't like this Pres. don't vote for him, get involved in the campaign whatever but he's the Pres get over it and get on with it. The real problem is the clowns career politicians sitting in Congress that is where the laws are made, lets get them on a short leash and we will all be better off.

You need to read up on Constitutional Monarchy before you comment. Happy to elect "constitutional conservatives" as long as they are limited to 8 years so they can't do too much damage to the social infrastructure, start too many wars, invoke their religious beliefs on the rest of us etc etc etc.

You are viewing history very selectively if you think anyone with ligitimate authority invited the US and "our great country" to invade Viet Nam, Afghanistan, or Iraq. You need to know history before you make comments like that. We do not have the right to determine how other countries deal with their own determination any more than the Axis powers had the right to determine how other countries would rule themselves in WW2. Get a history book and read it before you comment on history to me I am fairly well versed in the subject.

It is the shareholders who should determine what the CEO is worth, we have a law here if a percentage of the shareholders disapproved the remuneration plans for 2 consecutivequarters the board is spilled ..... and as I am a shareholder I make damn sure they are worth the money that is being proposed.

Paul F

evidence evidence evidence!!!!!!!! without it you are just BS BS BS

Message for OWS: If the opposition wants to self-destruct, let them. LMAO

What would you do if confronted with these rude children? Start shouting back? She was there to give a speech and probably unprepared for such a display of ill-manners. I have no intention of voting for the woman, but she was the victim here, not the perpetrator.

AG99,

I agree on both points. (I'll never vote for Bachmann, and there is no excuse for being rude to a speaker like the OWS crowd was this time)

The OWS movement is forcing you to listen; an activity that makes you on the right so damned uncomfortable. I say bring on the discomfort, and kick up the frequency a notch.

How ironic that you say the OWS's position is to force someone to listen; isn't this what happens in Re-education Camps.

Spo de o de

How ironic that you say the OWS's position is to force someone to listen; isn't this what happens in Re-education Camps

If I were you, I wouldn't worry about re-education; your side has to get over the stigma of basic education first.

Wow...right wing ideology ramming austerity down the throats of Italy and Greece......??????? Did I hear that right? Italy and Greece and many other nations, including our own, are in trouble because somewhere along the line, people lost the notion of having to work for what they have...everyone has become a special needs case deserving of special consideration....everything has to be exactly fair. And if it isn't, well, we will just sit down and whine (translate that, exercising our first ammendment rights)

Rick,

Advocating change because you think something isn't right is great...as long as you are articulate in what you think is wrong and how you would like to fix it. If you do those things, then real, meaningful discussion can take place. The problem I see with the OWS movement now is they are not clearly articulating what they think the problem is, or what their proposed solutions are.

As an example, I used to work next to someone that advocated communism. We didn't agree on a lot of things, but we had lots of good discussions because we clearly stated our views. (and btw, our base views on life really weren't that far apart - even though I'm a fiscal conservative capitalist)

I always like to hear when someone isn't happy about something because I view that as a learning opportunity - but it's only beneficial if their views are clearly stated.

Bachman SUPPORTED the Republican Senator who shouted "You Lie" to President Obama in the middle of his Sate of the Union address. If the GOP shows no respect for the President during such an important speech -- then I FULLY SUPPORT the occupy outburst. Good for them. It's about time the GOP learn you will reap what you sow.

AG99, et al -- I get that just because Teabaggers have been rude with their bigoted signs and head stomping it does not excuse the opposition from interrupting a presidential "hopeful" when speaking (which I do not put on par with the office of the president mind you).

The first problem is candidates like Bachmann are following the Palin and Sharron Angle "strategery" of avoiding a national audience. The last GOP/TP debate in which the moderators asked follow-up questions has been the first good sign of really vetting these clowns. Which leads to the second problem that Teapublicans live in a right-wing Echo Chamber and Cone of Silence.

This is just the OWS circumventing the "filter" of the right-wing media, and they did it respectfully without hateful signs or aggression. So go cry a river somewhere else.

This OWS movement was bound to show up sooner or later when Obama got elected. It's a shame this administration has encouraged so many people to beleive it's someone elses fault for thier lot in life. The longer this goes on the further behind in life these young people will be. Everyone of them would be so much better off if they hopped on a bus and occupyed a job in North Dakota, PA, TX, KS etc. in the energy field. I'm so thankful our children all are working at good jobs and or started thier own succseful businesses. Parents of these kids must be horrified at what the future holds for thier kids occupying Wall Street......

Ron-1861300

I always like to hear when someone isn't happy about something because I view that as a learning opportunity - but it's only beneficial if their views are clearly stated.

Ever hit your thumb with a hammer, Ron? The first utterances out of your mouth probably don't go far in explaining to anyone around you what the exact extent of the problem is. However, once that initial outburst subsides, corrective action and a clearer message can be articulated.

The OWS movement is in direct response to being smacked by a hammer for the past 30 years. The message will get clearer and the objectives better defined once we're sure we have your complete and undivided attention.

UAW, you would think these kids should be out picketing the halls of Congress. These clowns are the reason for the current situation.

With the debt created by them, OWS should have a field day protesting.

And I just read in the morning paper that the OWS Oakland CA group received sizeable sums of money for support that they just placed into Wells Fargo Bank. Imagine, the sums of dollars in an evil bank they are protesting against!

Now that is funny.

This is just the OWS circumventing the "filter" of the right-wing media, and they did it respectfully without hateful signs or aggression. So go cry a river somewhere else.

So the comparison that you are making is that the Right are polite and respectful of others, and the Left, represented by the OWS, are rude and condescending.

@ Rick,

Screaming at you is not forcing you to listen. When was the last time you actually "listened" to someone who screamed at you. Listening involves 2 way discourse.

Yelling at Bachmann is nothing but self service to the yeller. She doesn't stand a chance, and is not being taken seriously. In fact, I'll bet that nearly 100% of us wouldn't even know where she was at without the people that disrupted her speech.

The OWS movement is in direct response to being smacked by a hammer for the past 30 years. The message will get clearer and the objectives better defined once we're sure we have your complete and undivided attention.

Rick, is this what you call the Hammer and Sickle approach by the OWS? Haven't you been listening for the past 30 years, or is it possible that many of the OWS protestors were never born and are just now learning about the techniques learned in the Re-education camps.

deer in the headlights look! yep, no mtter how hard she tries, with bachman you can't fix stupid!

Winemaker,

The smartest thing the OWS protesters could do is to form a corporation to hold their contributions and then protest themselves. Their protesting would be self-perpetuating.

my biggest problem is if a small number of protesters make her freeze up whats going to happen when she's president and a real desaster or emergancy happens and lives are at stake; will she sit quietly reading a childrens book or stay at a fundraiser for several days like the last republican president; or will she drop to her knees and pray till its over like the tea partiers would. leaving all the work to national guard troops and locals the people who accually love this country and don't just want to make a living off it like every other politician in this country regaurdless of party.

i dont like a thing about bachman, but the OWS only protesting republicans and tea party members is exactly whats wrong with the OWS, they wont ever look in the mirror and see where the problems lie, just like any libs.

OWS needs to protest in front of the White House. Why is Obama's friend Jeff Immelt (GE) allowed to pay no taxes? It's the system that allows for it .......

and instead of working on reforming the system, Obama goes out to campaign against Repubs as if it's their solely fault. I know Obama's desperate and he has nothing to run on (that's his excuse) but the OWS protesters need to call out the whole government system, not just one Party,.

Rick's Real,

"The OWS movement is forcing you to listen; an activity that makes you on the right so damned uncomfortable. I say bring on the discomfort, and kick up the frequency a notch."

The OWS crowd isn't "forcing" me to listen to anything. However, if they ever come up with something worth saying....I may actually want to listen to them. For now though, they have no real agenda or message worth listening to....period. Just a bunch of spoiled, whiny,misguided children...supported by big labor and socialistic Washington insiders... while taking more free handouts...from the very people that they are suposedly protesting.

I find it quite ironic that they whine about greedy corporations while sipping on Starbucks coffee and blogging on thier i-pads and laptops, calling people on their Blackberries...yup, makes perfect sense to me.

On top of everything else, they aren't even protesting against the right people. The government makes the rules by which all of those greedy corporation must operate. The government is also the entity who is supposed to enforce those rules. So, if all of those greedy corporations are getting away with murder (so to speak), then it is because the government is allowing them to do so with impunity....period.

Or, to make it more simple...it's the government ...stupid.....they are the enablers of everything wrong in our country....along with the Federal Reserve ( a private banking cartel) who have been fleecing the American people for 98 years by debasing our currency. If they are going to protest something...at the very least they should have a clue as to who,what and why they are protesting.....so far I have not seen any of this within the OWS movement.......

Just a bunch of spoiled, whiny, misguided children...supported by big labor and socialistic Washington insiders while taking more free handouts...from the very people that they are suposedly protesting.

99%?...of what?

Considering their disrespect for anyone and everyone who happens to disagree with their point of view, as well as their disrespect for the law and property rights, the only thing I see comming from their protests and action....is future martial law across this nation....when it happens...be sure to thank them for their contribution to the final destruction of our Constitutional Republic.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

Douglas Adams

so rick real

just what is their message, where lies their focus? From the news videos I have watched, interviews with a variety of anchors andthe placards they carry I have seen the following reported....

Minimum wage of $20/hr.

A living wage of $20/hr

forgiveness of all student, credit card and home mortgages

freedom from silence, we have no other forum for petition.

Stop tax breaks

banks pay reparations.

reinstate usuary laws

create a new world.

protest corporate goods.

closing outrageous loopholes is not a tax increase.

Save the postal service.

tax the rich

if we cannot live, we will not work

class war

feminits and queers against capitalism.

healthcare is a human right.

union workers encourage their members to walk off the job.

My sources include the McLaughlin group and bloombergTV telecasts as well as the numerous MSNBC videos shown online.

Now they want to steal from another to be heard? Puhleeze... They can get a permit just like anyone else.

@ cdahl - good to see you!

Hope things are well with you & yours! ;o)

TruePatriot,

Thanks for your service to this country on the eve of Verterans Day. Your use of the "Teabagger" term shows how much you care for others and your service before self. I also must commend you on your non-polarizing views in politics that clearly shows your integrity. We need more centrist such as yourself.

GFY. Good For You

According to Rassmusen Report. 33 % of Americans have a favorable view of OWS while 43 % unfavorably. If they say they represent 99% where is the other 66% , simple math 1+1=2

The "Big Picture" is these Occupy Protesters are harrassing the wrong people. Michelle Bachman is just a GOP Candidate, she isn't a "shoe in" for anything. If these protesters want to score some real points, they should be protesting Obama's campaign stops around the country. Obama is more concerned about getting re-elected next year; than he is in doing the job he currently has been elected to do.

Occupy Protesters need to protest outside of the White House and Congress; if they want their message to be recognized. Protesting Wall Street and randomly across the country isn't accomplishing a thing; except making these protesters appear unorganized and pointless.

Spo de o de

Rick, is this what you call the Hammer and Sickle approach by the OWS?

Why can't your party get past 1950? Didn't anyone tell you that the cold war ended during Ronald Reagan's presidency? I've even giving some credit to the last competent man left standing in your party, Reagan is turning over in his grave at the degree of incompetence permeating your party.

Using the hammer and sickle as a symbol of fear and repression to the youth of our country is the equivalent of showing them the old Dracula and Frankenstein movies, expecting to be as terrified as you were at the same age. But the party which lacks all comprehension of creative thought keeps trotting out the oldies but goodies and then simply can't understand why this fear mongering doesn't work anymore.

When you are part of an organization (Republican Party) and tell Americans that the reason they are poor is because the 50+ hours they work in your sweatshop for minimum wage isn't enough to pay for bills, healthcare and anything extra is just being stupid and hypocritical. I point out continuously to my Rep (Dr Phil Roe/ Dr. No) that how can you be a Republican against social programs when almost 80% of MY state (Tennessee) is on one form of assistance or another? Seems from what I've seen in ALL the red states, the majority of Americans in those states receive more assistance than those "Commie Blue States".

Remember this next election, percentage of Americans with 1 million dollars or more 1%, percentage of Congressional Millionaires, 50% or higher. So remember that when you think they'll vote for your kind, instead of their kind, morons.

Dennis..

And the link to your assertion is where??

XD,

The Link … just for you … enjoy

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/06/low_tax.html

That's cute Dennis. A link to a progressive site. We all know progressives and the actual truth are planets apart.

Dennis,

The corporations pay a low rate because they have the option of bringing the money here and paying 35% or leaving it offshore or investing offshore and paying 15%. The high rate then causes less investment here and less jobs.

Jim-792457

"That's cute Dennis. A link to a progressive site. We all know progressives and the actual truth are planets apart."

And- we have another Rove Playbook contest winner!:

".... Attack Attack the source. Any Liberal website or information source must be marginalized, trivialized and discounted. Let the blogosphere know that Truthout.org., thinkprogress.org, the nation and moveon.org are Liberal rubbish propaganda. Discredit Liberal sources of information whenever possible.”

You are mistaken Mr. drive-by. Attacking the source is out of the liberal playbook. Go back and count the references to "faux" news. Just be aware that you may need a super computer because there are so many.

Rick-312779

"You are mistaken Mr. drive-by."

I stand corrected, posters. I was wrong. Because, as you can plainly see, Rick says I am. Also;

" Attacking the source is out of the liberal playbook"

What I should have said in my post should have been "I know you are, but what am I?"

From Bruce Bartlett (republican):

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/are-taxes-in-the-u-s-high-or-low/

Statutory rates are "high", but EFFECTIVE rates are not. From a republican. Read and learn.

Jim-792457
We all know progressives and the actual truth are planets apart.

Are you one of those NOTW (not of this world) Christians? Funny I don't see a lot of people on the left worshipping gods from other worlds, except in instances of pure entertainment. So you may think the truth is a planet away - but I'm pretty secure in the truth that we progressives are the ones with both feet planted firmly on THIS planet.

The best part of her "speech" was the interruption by Occupy! The best part of Perry's message is .."huh, huh. huh. Only Paul makes any sense whatsoever, and even he is totally warped by laissez faire capitalism. Not one of these wannabes has a chance to unseat Obama. Not that this is good news, just common sense.

@Lib50:

BOOM goes the dynamite.

I wonder why no one's attacking your source...

;)

John A

Sounds to me like their aim is the 14 year old girls in the crowds .....

Please cite your references. I would be interested in reading the statistics for myself.

Rick

I can't wait to see the look on your face when you find out it is "real".

Dennis,

They did a study on Bachmann, 97% of what comes out of her mouth is either misinformation or an out right lie.

Raise taxes on the rich, raise taxes on the corporations. Unions and socialism for every one especially comrade Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL. Trade tariffs and more taxes and more regulation till every one makes exactly the same amount and uses all the same services. We can all live in a government owned housing and the government can protect us from evil GOP.

Thank you Fiesty for being such a devoted supporter to our cause.

Peoples Republic of the United States

rightasrain

I can't wait to see the look on your face when you find out it is "real".

Spoken like a true "compassionate conservative".

if any of the progressives or conservatives on here are really interested in the truth, go to factcheck.org.

Non partisan, non judgemental. Just the facts, mam.

oldman,

I went to factcheck.org, and all but one of the articles I saw were bashing Republicans...it certainly doesn't look like a non-partisan site to me.

@Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

the U.S. actually has the second lowest corporate taxes in the developed world.

ROTFLMAO! Yeah, corporations are moving their money OUT of the US because they want to pay MORE taxes somewhere else.

On a side note...I've got this bridge for sale, let me know if you're interested.

Rick

It is called "Redemption". It comes after "Compassion" no longer exists .....

@Lib50:

BOOM goes the dynamite.

I wonder why no one's attacking your source...

Probably because they're smart enough to know that an apple is not an orange. Mr. Bartlett is comparing revenue to GDP. This does not mean a company can not still get a better deal, that is to say, pay less, by moving their money off shore.

The problem of course is the loopholes. Not everyone can take advantage of them so some companies are better off moving out. For example let’s take a look at the current administration; Obama loves anything “green” so he gives breaks to those who invest in green tech, GE for example. GE paid 0 taxes in the US in part because they got “green” tax breaks. Those breaks (loopholes) aren’t available to everyone. The answer, and what most republicans are willing to accept, if they aren’t calling for it outright, is to LOWER the rate for everyone and eliminate all of the loopholes. It’s called tax reform and will raise revenue as surely and more effectively than raising the rate and leaving the loopholes intact.

Obama is obviously smart enough to realize this but he benefits too much from the current system, as have Presidents in both parties in the past. He gets big contributions from his cronies to keep their taxes low AND, as a bonus, he gets to con his lemmings into believing that it’s the republicans who are the ones in the pocket of big business because they want to lower the rate.

Ron: Maybe that's because factcheck.org can't find anything BAD to say about the Democrats. This is a very non-partisan website, believe it or not.

It seems to me, they wasted their time, Bachman is and always has been totally irrelevant. Freaking Bizzarro World.

Backcountry164

Unfortunately, regardless of the fact that you speak the truth, the ideologues on here will not believe or understand.

They have an agenda and anyone who disagrees with that agenda or concept will be derided, vilified and ultimately get collapsed by the "community".

It is a believe the way I do or you're the enemy mentality. It is a shame really. If they try to have intelligent discourse with others, they might actually learn that there are multiple solutions to problems we all face.

Who's better at running Congress?

Since it's Congress that sets the spending Budgets, sets the Deficits, and passes legislation affecting jobs and the economy (The President cannot spend one penny that has not been authorized by Congress), let's look at the record of Congresses over the last 30 years (Through 2010);

Jobs (39,761,000 Net New Jobs) Jobs created when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = 8,100,000 net new jobs.

Jobs created when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = 21,773,000 net new jobs.

Jobs created when Congress was split (8 years) = 9,888,000 net new jobs.

DEFICITS (a) ($7.304 Trillion)

Total Deficits when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $5.022 Trillion.

Total Deficits when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $1.219 Trillion.

Total Deficits when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.063 Trillion.

NATIONAL DEBT ($12.878 Trillion = 93.4% of all the Debt in our History)

Total New Debt when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $7.859 Trillion.

Total New Debt when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $3.238 Trillion.

Total New Debt when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.781 Trillion.

ECONOMIC GROWTH ($11.873 Trillion of GDP growth)

Total Growth (GDP) when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $3.887 Trillion.

Total Growth (GDP) when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $5.623 Trillion.

Total Growth (GDP) when Congress was split (8 years) = $2.363 Trillion.

Draw your own conclusions, but these are undisputed facts from government sources.

(a) Deficits do not equal the increase in the Debt because of the government's 'funny accounting'.

Sources -

Democrats controlled Congress from 1987 – 1994, and from 2007 – 2010.

Republicans controlled Congress from 1995 – 2000, and from 2003 – 2006.

There was a split Congress from 1980 – 1986 and for 2001 & 2002.

Links to government data sites are as follows;

Jobs - http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat1.pdf

Deficits - http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals See Table 1.1

National Debt - http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

Dennis, you have made better arguments in the past. I won't buy you argument here because what you cite is an op ed peice trying to sell us on spinning what the % of GDP suggests in comparing to other countries. All the % of GDP suggests is creating a standard of commonality to compare between different countries, not that the US already has the lowest taxes, corporate or otherwise.

Based on IRS (US internal revenue service) data for individual tax payers, which would also include many small businesses perhaps you need to reflect on the data summarized on how each income group contributes to the total take of income taxes. I do so like to see how the approximately top 50% of wage earners pays about 97% of the income taxes collected.

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

Earlier this year or late last year bev of chicago posted a congressional minutes link showing how little income taxes exxon-mobil (as I recall) paid. All well and good as it showed they paid no income taxes due to credits and whatnot. However, poor bev failed to mention all the other taxes and fees that exxon-mobil paid out to the government. Even without getting the tax credits allowed their income tax liability was very small compared to what they had to pay out in other taxes and fees.

Like backcountry suggests, if our corporate taxes and liabilities are so low why do they go overseas? Or better yet why is there so much competition between state and local governments to provide incentives for corporations to set up shop in their locales?

One last tidbit from your op-ed piece, I did so enjoy their injection on how the republicans eyes rolled at the mention of reagan and tax rates. They almost made it seem that they were in the room with obama and the republicans. Hardly something believable wouldn't you agree?

Average Joe,

The President does have a big say in spending and by simplifying some facts you have proved once again that figures don't lie but people who use figures lie. Also why don't you add which party controlled Congress with tax increases. Wouldn't serve your purpose would it?

Joe Radmacher,
I stand by my post....the numbers speak for themselves. As for the President having any say at all...I suggest you try reading the US Constitution (since it designates who has what powers) and rethink your statement...the only say that the president truly has....is to either sign it or veto it....period.

Yes, I know that pesky old document (Law of the Land) just keeps getting in the way...but it is still the law of the land.

Article I

Section 1. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law.

Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Section 9. The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Article II

Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

drive-by-observer

What I should have said in my post should have been "I know you are, but what am I?"

That is the second most used tactic right out of the liberal playbook.

Throughout all of this, one thought prevails. On one side, we have Democrats and on the other, Rebuplicans. They fight and bicker back and forth, namecalling and mudslinging. What really gets me is that as a nation, year after year we elect one then the other... back and forth. In my experience if you bend something over and over it will break eventually. If you aren't happy with our government, STOP ELECTING EITHER PARTY. One is every bit as much to blame as the other.

It is too bad that Average Joe-919387 here doesn’t understand that policies set in motion by one session of congress affect the economy and employment levels in the following session. So in fact, by Joe here posting this badly cherry picked data set on vine after vine, he is in reality making the democrats look good to anyone with the intellect to understand how government and the economy actually work.

rightasrain

Rick

It is called "Redemption". It comes after "Compassion" no longer exists .....

Well if the end of compassion signals the Redemption, then congratulations: you and your party are already living in Heaven. That must be the case, as your selfish, arrogant, narcissistic party has exhibited no sign of compassion for anyone outside of your little clique for three decades now. It's been so long, you don't even remember what compassion feels like.

Of course if I'm the one who is in fact right believing that compassion lives forever, that things like love and joy are eternal, and you are he ones who are wrong; then congratulations, your Hell has yet to begin.

Backcountry164 Post #3.22

The problem of course is the loopholes. Not everyone can take advantage of them so some companies are better off moving out. For example let's take a look at the current administration; Obama loves anything "green" so he gives breaks to those who invest in green tech, GE for example. GE paid 0 taxes in the US in part because they got "green" tax breaks. Those breaks (loopholes) aren't available to everyone.

It's probably too late for this response, but that's not a loophole. It's a tax break. A loophole is an oversight in law that allows an entity to circumvent said law. A tax break is usually written into law. When I'm itemizing my charitable donations on my tax return, it's not like I found some crack in the tax code that I'm using to pay less taxes. I'm using a legitimate and INTENDED rule to, I guess, foster charitable giving, otherwise I don't know why they'd allow this deduction. It doesn't increase my giving and if they got rid of it, I'd still continue to donate. I don't give to charity for the tax breaks. Regardless, if you're talking loopholes, check these out:

This is called the Double Irish loophole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm3RTgItj4Y

And this is called the Delaware loophole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5rQ4CA_onw

THOSE are LOOP HOLES. You're talking tax breaks. Apples to oranges, right?

I don't see why we can't close these loop holes and keep the corporate taxes right where they are. Better yet, tax them more for each job they offshore and give massive tax BREAKS for companies that create jobs here. I'd be okay with that.

And the little people on NewsVine are of no importance to the red rooster crowd who know what is important for the country.

Disagree and be attacked or removed from the site, huh?

tick tock as the red rooster crows!

Has she shown up in Washington recently to do what she gets paid for...represent her district? And if not, how are those of you foolish enough to vote for her feeling about that.

Maybe you haven't noticed but she is running for the republican nomination for President. It's called campaigning but since you seem to have a problem with her spending so much time doing that I assume you're also upset that out POTUS is doing the EXACT SAME THING. At least Bachmann actually has an election upcoming, Obama has an entire year before he has to worry about election night. How are those of you foolish enough to vote for him feeling about that?

Really Backcountry: then you can answer this:

When is the last time that Bachmann cast a vote?

Really Backcountry: then you can answer this:

When is the last time that Bachmann cast a vote?

Nope, sure can't. But she doesn't represent me in ANY way. On the other hand, Obama is my President so I do have a vested interest in what HE is doing. When was the last time he did anything that he didn't turn into a campaign speech or opportunity to blast the republicans? Which should we care more about, what a fringe congresswoman is doing and saying two months before the elections or the POTUS 12 months out?

The answer is August.

And the rest of what you write is patently absurd. Do you really want to posit, that the leader of the free world, a war time President, thanks to the ineptitude of the previous one, has done nothing but campaign? And attack the Republicans, who for my money, should be ASHAMED of their behavior?

Really?

Then you are being totally disingenuous and deliberately partisan.

Do you liberal zombies notice in anyway that the liberal media is feeding and using you? When the Tea Party stood up to Obama they were labeled as rebels and zealots, but you are labeled as "Activists"? Does the word hypocrisy mean nothing to you? Keep bringing down "the rich", and when China and Iran have total control of this country remember what it is that you wished for, because you will get it. No more freedom of speech, no more tent cities, no more Occupy movements. You will be crushed by the hand of tyranny, and all you will do is bitch. The difference is you will be shot or imprisoned for life, instead of a simple misdemeanor. By the way, if we take down the rich, who is going to employ the poor? The other poor? The government? How are we going to have a government without "the rich" paying taxes? Once the 1% is gone, who is going to support the 99%? You, the government, the "foreign interests"? Let me know how you feel when you 'have won" and you're eating grass like the North Koreans. And by the way, for all your Vets taking part in the Occupy protests, just because you now have the freedom of speech doesn't mean you have to sell out to the lowest bidder. You're pathetic.

ktet,

Wow, people like you really believe all that don’t you? It is a shame really for you to have been brainwashed by fear mongering so harshly that now all you can do is pass on the same fear mongering misinformation. Hate the left, bully them too, that is your motto! Glad I am not you.

And attack the Republicans, who for my money, should be ASHAMED of their behavior?

And you're calling me partisan? Give me a break, look in the mirror. I'm not defending Bachmann (I'm a libertarian btw), just pointing out that you are bitching about the actions of a nobody while the friggin' President of the United States is doing pretty much the same thing. In fact the main difference is that, at this point, he is able to do all of his campaigning on the public dime.

And I have no doubt that you think it is absurd, that makes it oh so easy to dismiss me without actually having to address the issue.

I capitalize on dividing Americans / claiming people that disagree with me / are unpatriotic socialists / and I promote discrimination.

...sounds like a good slogan Bachmann can use in her campaign. Everything else she's tried hasn't worked too well. Telling the truth would at least be something she hasn't tried yet.

Republicans will tell the truth as soon as the Democrats do......................... and that will be... NEVER

and there you have it

PEN,

Sounds like they have a beef with Obama. Dividing Americans? I have never witnessed a politcal figure so divisive. He constantly pits the 1% versus the others. Constantly says they are not paying their "Fair Share" when they are operating within the guidlines of the system, and are a small part of those who do pay. And he intends to capitalize on this buy buying the votes of those who buy this moronic rhetoric with the tax dollars from the ones he demonizes.

Claiming people who disagree are unpatriotic socialists and promore discrimination. Other than the word socialist, his rhetoric has included indications that the rich not beign willing to pay even more is "unpatriotic" and promotes discrimination by constantly demonizing CEOs and corporate executives.

I believe a little inspection should prove that they are protesting the wrong person here.

They are a misguided group and that is due to the constant rhetoric spewed from BHO which fuels their movement.

ABO 2012

Key point of your comment:

Constantly says they are not paying their "Fair Share" when they are operating within the guidlines of the system, and are a small part of those who do pay.

That's the problem. They designed the system, legislated for it on behalf of the Lobbyists who paid for it and Middle America could do nothing about it.

kevin -- they being republicans and democrats! the laws are not made by just one party but by the entire Congress with the approval of the President.

so harry, barry and nancy are just as responsible for where we are with the tax code as mitch and john.

just me really

Republicans will tell the truth as soon as the Democrats do......................... and that will be... NEVER

and there you have it

What we have is an admission by you that Republicans will never be compelled to tell the truth; and as usual, you're blaming Democrats for what is, in essence, the complete disintigration of your party's moral fiber.

Rick, if you really want to know the truth, which I doubt, go to factcheck.org. there you will find both parties lie, stretch, misquote, and spin equally.

If Iwanted to give a speech to get people to vote for me, invest with me, or party with me, would want B.H. Obama to deliver it. He is one heck of a great orator. However, we must not forget that he is also a politician, and all politicians say whatever they believe will get them a vote or support.

At least the Dems don't have to worry about disintegration ... they don't have any moral fiber!

That's the problem. They designed the system, legislated for it on behalf of the Lobbyists who paid for it and Middle America could do nothing about it.

That may be but they still pay more, both as a whole and as a percentage of income. The "fair share" BS was debunked by the AP months ago.

But it is entertaining I must say I get a laugh every-time I turn on the news and it is some new clowns with an ax to grind. Better than any sitcom on TV hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, justme... those anti-American President nuts are entertaining! Keep insisting on "grinding that axe" thinking that if they say it loud enough and often enough some voter somewhere will start to believe it...

oh! Reading some of the posts on here I guess maybe some (who obviously have difficulty thinking for themselves and refuse to "get it" ) actually have started to believe the RNC lies.

Sad.

Not as stupid, not quite as stupid as I think you are, maybe. Take all of the truths that the DNC has told you, go to factcheck.org, and see what the truth really is. I will bet $10,000.00 to your dollar you never will.

Stupid,

And by the recent movements known as OWS, obviously there is an equal number unthinking that believe BHO. After all, where did this "top 1%" and "Not paying their Fair Share" come from? And how many times did he repeat this message? And now there is a mindless group who believe it. Most of them have no idea. It is the only way he can be elected. Demonize someone. Blame someone.

He has no ideas. He inherited a mess. He doubled down on it by implementing things not needed while ignoring the mess. He rolled out a massive stimulus with promises and plans to revitalize our economy. It failed. So now his plan is to try the exact same thing a second time. And all the while demonizing and blaming others for not approving his second attempt to fail the population with a terrible plan. He implemented Obamacare at a time he should have been focused on improving the economy. He had majorities to do whatever he wanted. But his plan was to INCREASE burden on business and strangle the economy instead of improve it. So the way to deal with this failure? Deflect. Demonize. Blame.

OWS is just the mindless following of this Rhetoric from the left. I dont recall any other POTUS who operated by demonizing a portion of the population he is there to represent. Absolutely sickening.

These protests and the citizen versus citizen battle we have going now is all due to BHO and his inflamatory lies about the portion of the population that actually does pay the bills. Just because BHO wants to spend even more.

If anyone is grinding an axe, or saying lies load and often enough, you need look no further than BHO himself. I have yet to hear him have a positive message or not blame someone else for every issue. He should devise a motto. "The Buck Stops There". It certainly dont stop with him.

ABO 2012

StupidFactory: Unfortunately, it's hard for ANYONE to come up with just a couple of things to be dissatisfied about in the U.S. today....the Occupy Movement are just taking this opportunity to voice their displeasure with ALL the things that are wrong with this country today!! The list just keeps getting longer and longer!!

DSD: You might want to check your facts....the stimulus DID NOT fail; in fact, it worked; however, it didn't go far enough. Secondly, President Obama has continuously tried to improve the economy only to be stopped by the Republicans and the Tea Party Movement (the Party of NO). Additionally, he may have "inherited" this mess, but it has taken 30 years of previous administrations to cause it! It's certainly NOT going to be fixed in one term by ANYONE, Republican OR Democrat. I don't know why people can't seem to get that point. In response to your note about OWS....like you, I don't recall any other POTUS having to go through such a large amount of crap from the House and the Senate as this particular president has had to deal with!!! In fact, I've never seen ANY previous president treated with such disrespect by the opposite party in my entire 65 years of life! What you don't seem to understand either is that in order to MAKE money and spur the economy, the government will have to SPEND money. The hope is that the money that is spent is used for the good and will help the economy grow and more money to be paid in through taxes, etc. Remember, if someone isn't working, they aren't paying taxes.....put them all back to work, even on infrastructure repairs (which we dreadfully need) and they have money to spend and that money generates taxes.....makes sense, doesn't it? Apparently not to most Republicans!! All they seem to see is that money is being spent, but they fail to see that the consequences of this is that more money will made.

@Didi,

Unemployment went up, not down, so it did not work. As I recall I kept hearing "Shovel Ready Jobs" and crumbling infrastructure during stimulus 1. So why are they trying to pass something for the "Infrastructure" now? Obviously Stimulus 1 took care of that. And most of the money got spend on extending benefits and went to states who used it to fund underfunded pensions for public employees, etc. But it did anything but stimulate.

He had a majority in both House and Senate until 2010. So who blocked him the first 2 years? NOBODY. He just had a focus on things that did not matter. Obamacare for one.

He inherited a mess, but this has been the longest lasting mess by far due to his "Fix" for us. And add Obamacare, and it makes it worse. It was a mess. But in any other mess we are recovering way sooner that we will from this one. BECAUSE of his policies.

He has gone through far less crap than othe presidents have. Not many get to come into office with a majority in House and Senate fro their first 2 years. I would say he had it way easier than others have. He just messed it up.

GWB is and was treated with way more disrespect that BHO, but dont get me wrong, it is equally deserved by BOTH of them.

The Governement HAS been spending money in record amounts. I dont see the positive impact you suggest. I would think after the first couple Trillion dollars they might try a different approach. Not more of the same that obviously is not working.

This is what happens when Governement attemtps to "Fix" things. They need to get out of the way. Reduce regulations, stop increasing public the public sector which is unsustainable on the backs of the private sector.

And I am all for Infrastructure repairs. I suggest we dig deep into that piggy bank where are the federal gasoline tax money collected for infrastructure repairs is and start spending...... Unless, of course you spent this on some other stupid program that we really did not need......

BHO is a failure plain and simple. His plans did not work, and he enjoyed a majority most other presidents would have loved to have. He is divisive and destructive. And obviously he can pursuede some to believe he has had all his stuff blocked for his entire term, that is why everything is so bad, when in fact he had every opportunity to pass whatever he wanted. And he did pass what he wanted. It just failed. And I will dance for joy when he is gone.

ABO 2012

Didi-376564

StupidFactory: Unfortunately, it's hard for ANYONE to come up with just a couple of things to be dissatisfied about in the U.S. today....the Occupy Movement are just taking this opportunity to voice their displeasure with ALL the things that are wrong with this country today!! The list just keeps getting longer and longer!!

You are so right Didi !! The longer he is in office, the list gets longer and longer. You go girl. Keep pointing out those facts!!

I thought the "Occupy" movement wasn't political in nature... so in that light, shouldn't these protestors be doing the same thing during Obama speeches and other Democratic politicians events? After all... isn't the entire Congress corrupt?

Oh no, RICK, let her talk. Every time she talks, she sticks her food into her mouth to the knee, but even more important, she make me laugh. (LOL) For sticking her foot in her mouth, I guess. And the fact she makes the GOP and the tea-party look sooo good.

They must have learned the be rude thing from the teabaggers in 2010

You are so correct - the teanuts/wingnuts sure revel in dishing it out, but listen to them whine when it is given back to them.

More of that Republican double standard!

Well at least we know Rick is from Minnesota ........ and maybe ass stupid as well!

shhhhhh.... you're letting the secret out of the bag.

This has gotten so chaotic, even Soros can't keep up with what he initiated any longer.

Dan: You keep telling yourself that and one of these days you'll actually believe it!!! Can't we also say the same about the Tea Baggers???? Aren't they RNC sponsored by the Koch Brothers? Whoops, your secret is out!!

The RNC is not sponsored by the Koch brothers but the Democracy Alliance is funded by George Soros and Obama is funded by Wall Street.

You first, KEVIN.

What are u implying?

Kevin: We could also say the same about the Tea Baggers -- maybe when you start taking care of them...we'll start taking care of the OWS group......sounds like a win-win situation to me!

They've gone well beyond Wall Street - protesting Sothery's, Harvard, and almost anything that they don't like - I think the movement is having a hard time staying on the orignal point - if there was one at all. Protesting for the sake of protesting isn't really an effective use of your voice. I'm all for protesting the inequity of wealth and such - however they are A. in the wrong place, and B. going in wildly divergent tangents that is detracting from the original theme.

I love how all of the people who used to claim they didn't know what the protesters wanted now seem to think they know.

Maybe they could protest the bonus at Fannie and Freddie. Aren't Fannie and Freddie asking for more bailout money?

So... who is "you" and who are the 1% that people should not stand with? Just for clarity so I can make sure I do not associate with those folks. Should I stop watching TV, movies, professional sports - they are all in the 1% right? I'm just looking for some guidance...

I am against you ....there now I chose a side now what ? ...... well I am waiting......did not think so

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yikes... that was pretty harsh. Lots of anger - and just from me asking a few simple questions. Listen, I'm not against you, at least I wasn't, but your attack certainly doesn't endear yourself to those that are trying to think for themselves.

Stanley...

Get a job.. if you can't do that, at least get a life and do something productive.

I'm certainly NOT one of the 1%... at least to my knowledge, unless the 1% are taxpaying workers.

But I will assure you this, I am NOT part of this 99% you so self righteously claim. YOU and your ilk DO NOT represent me, nor anyone I know. We laugh at your complete lack of ability to intelligently articulate your message... if there IS one to begin with.

Yes, there are many that are irate about the excesses of Wall Street. More so about our government groveling at the feet of the powerful money brokers, but we tend to voice our concerns civility and with self respect. Something I have seen is in VERY short supply at the OWS protest locations.

if you dont get the 99% movement by now maybe you will as it progresses

they are on the side of the working class people, the establishment is working overtime to try and present them as something else and some are falling for it

Stanley - I thought OWS was speaking for 99%. From your comment it appears that only applies to part of the 99% who agree with you and you would like to silence everyone else. Do I have that about right?

Stanley,

I agree....They have a choice Change themselves or we'll change it for you.

If we do it...we will not be kind.

For those of you who do not think this movement is real or effective.

Sorry.

BOA changed their tune just last week when they agreed not to charge more fee's after the OWS movement promoted "remove your money from the banks week"

Beleive it / Don't beleive it...I don't care.

Another note - There's something rotten in America when the constitution provides for freedom of speech and assembly and these rights are being surpressed by the very people that bought off our politicians.

Criminalization of America has started; where every citizen no matter how law abiding will be breaking the law and with it be threatened with arrest.

Keep going down this road and your rights to vote will be removed as well.

I support the movement.

so... as long as everyone is equal. Correct?

There will ALWAYS be haves and have-nots. The last experiment at what you desire is China.

Tell the 'peasants' there that they live as well as the Politburo. Tell that to the average "worker" in the workers paradise. Then do a little stare and compare yourself.

As George Orwell said in Animal Farm;

Everyone is equal.... some are just more equal than others.

Get used to it. It's called LIFE.

XD,

If your comment is directed at me.

I never mentioned anything about all be equal (financially speaking).

I'm talking about stacking the deck against middle America; designing systems and putting them in place at the request (buying politicians) that favor the few.

I know, understand and accept life is not fair. Some people are more fortunate..better looking, smarter..ect.

What I find objectionable is the current business climate to make us "competitive" with emerging third world nations and a race to the bottom of the economic pile.

Where wages are low, education will not be provided, and manufactured crisises will regularly skim the midlleclass wealth or whats left of it to the ruling class.

Take for instance the housing crisis; the politically charge right will tell you (see Walsh's rant) "it's not the banks fault, it's the goverment demanded all should have homes" This proves how disconnected he is from reality. I know what happened I saw it first hand.

The lack of regulations in that industry brought us two great Jems - The Balloon Payment and the No Doc mortgages...it fed predatory lenders

"Hey since the government is guaranteeing these mortgages, we don't have to have proof of income or care if they can afford it, lets write as many toxic mortgages as we can & get these stupid people to sign."
Bundle them up and sell them off...if we can't sell them off it doesn't matter were not left holding the bag the government is."

That is the primary reason the industry collapsed.

That quote was by someone I know from Countrywide at a seminar.

It seems some insist on remaining too obstinate to try and understand Kevin...

but not to worry = 99% IS A MAJORITY, whether they like it or not.

WE WILL prevail!

OWS!

Making everyone equal is not what OWS is about. You should know better.

OWS is about how the deck is stacked against middle and lower class Americans. We are the backbone of America.

"Job Creators" don't create any jobs if there is no demand. Demand comes from the 99%.

Corporate America and our incredibly corrupt Congress are driving this.

People are what count. No, corporations are not people despite the ravings of the Supreme Court.

But - if they are, they should be paying taxes, and they should not be bribing Congress.

I am middle class and I think one should have to work hard to gain things like, homes, cars and health care, these are not right, they things we work for!

Larry

Good grief! Get off your lazy butt, pick up the deck and shuffle the cards! Quit whining!

OWS is a bunch of spoiled, lazy, self righteous, week minded fools. I am certianly not part of the 99% and I am not part of the 1%. They are a bunch of childish losers who are all part of the percent that pay no taxes.

In reality, 99% probably isn't a correct percentage to use, when describing those who aren't happy with the status quo. I'd bet a percentage of those who aren't in the 1%, don't really give a hoot about those who are being taken advantage of or get the short end of the stick. It's an "I got mine, who cares if you don't get yours" attitude.

Only those who have lost homes, investments, jobs, and/or been denied financial assistance or health insurance, know what it's like to have the deck stacked against them.

The 1% are at the top, super wealthy and powerful, with connections with others like themselves. They influence the policies of our government, food/oil/gas prices, and generally think they are above everyone else(there are a few exceptions, like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates).

There are sub-levels underneath the 1%, who are still very rich and way above the pay grade(or inheritance level) of most Americans. Many were born into families with $$ and connections and some were in the right place at the right time. Some used creative ideas(patents) that got them there. Some have entertainment skills. Those entertainers are very lucky that they get paid on such a high scale, and that people worldwide place emphasis on being entertained. This group includes musicians, athletes, and movie/TV stars(and producers/writers/investors).

If you've never had to work hard just to barely scrape by, gone hungry, been homeless, or not been able to get on a health care plan............ you don't know what it's like. Some folks can empathize with others not as fortunate as themselves, but not very many can.

Not everyone can be millionaires, nor be super rich or super well off. There aren't enough positions at the top, and those who are already there, like to hoard it. Some will deny others a chance(competition might make them lose $$), to become as rich and powerful as they are.

Those who are fortunate enough to have or make more than enough money to keep 20, 50 or 100 middle class/poor families comfortable, should be grateful to those who got them there(everyone else who worked for them, bought their goods/services, or paid to be entertained by them).

Paying 1%-5% more in taxes, won't hurt those at the top, in the slightest.

Or let's figure out a bottom figure for what is a fair cost of living standard for the average person or family(rent/food/utilities/clothes/transportation/healthcare), and make that amount non taxable.

For example, say basic decent cost of living(no frills) for a family of four, is $20,000 a year(a super low ball and unrealistic example). They would be exempt from paying any taxes on the first $20,000 they make. They still pay sales taxes, property taxes, luxury taxes(alcohol/cigarettes and such), and their money spent on cost of living bills, puts money in the pockets of those companies they pay(services/utilities/fuel/clothing/food), which keeps the economy going.

Our current system kind of works that way now(people get breaks for kids, mortgages, etc).

Those who need tax breaks to help them get by and meet basic living standards(food, a safe place to live and health care, are at the top), should receive them. It's fair.

Those who make 10 X, 100 X and somtimes 1000 X more than what a basic/healthy lifestyle costs, should pay a little more.

Those complaining about current tax rates being too high, and hurting our economy, are full of it.

All you have to do, is check the past higher rate of taxation(corporate and personal) we've had, and the FACT that our economy did much better then, than it's doing now. Taxes have been as high as 90% between the 1930's and the 1980's.

High tax rates aren't the problem. Loopholes allow miilion and billion $$ corporations to pay WAY less than 35%(sometimes they don't pay squat). That are the problems. Capital gains taxes are too low, and many take advantage of it.

Tax any company who doesn't base itself in the US and hire Americans, with an import tax/tariff(goods and services), and watch how fast those companies come running back to the US.

not as stupid as yo uthink -- interesting name. At what will you prevail? Putting all corporations out of business, declaring a revolution to overthrow the government, giving everyone a free Harvard education (all education must be equal I suppose), give everyone a car, a place to live, food to eat, health care.... and it will all be free and provided by whom???

Surprise Surprise. There seems to be people here who disagree with each other.

That's a great thing! If there is a 99% then it makes total sense there would be differences. Differences in lifestyles, age, political views, overall intelligence and even morality.

One thing i can applaud OWS for is attempting to unify everyone regardless of those barriers.

In the end it's not about left or right or OWS or tea party movements. It's about what You feel is wrong and what YOU decide you are going to do about it. Unless you feel theres nothing corrupt or overall wrong with your goverment, judicial system, economy etc.

Unless you feel things are fine the way they are, the way they're going with everything from human trafficking to government spending is fine the way it is, unless you feel that way...

Use the same passion that drove you to create a clever username and post here to make a commitment. A commitment to Try. To DVR Sunday sports or Dancing with the Stars and spend a little of your time trying to help.

OWS's commitment is to gather and be heard, if you want that then take advantage and join them because alone you will probably always be in MSN's video comments instead of their videos.

But for a moment just forget everything and evaluate yourself.

Consider what you have to offer and decide for yourself how you're going to try and change the world and who is going to help you. You don't have to to depend on politicians that were picked for you to choose from and you don't have to be silent because you're not a harvard graduate or millionaire. I'm sure people want to hear what you have to say!

As someone with some pretty interesting insight once said...

"Recovery begins with you"

-Andy Stanley (Recovery Road)

American Lobo..

Very well stated. Unfortunately, a reasonable missive like you posted is not what the majority here provide.. it's generally Teapugs, or Repuklicans, or some such derogatory term or vilification. As you yourself will I'm sure agree with, when immediately attacked, the "victim" (only for lack of a better term) will retaliate. And to be honest, the same comes from the "opposing" ideologues.

I believe the large majority of Americans want REAL tax reform. Entirely scrap the current tax code, which we all know even those in the IRS who are supposed to enforce it don't understand. When it's so complicated that the people who write it can't comply (snicker, snicker) it needs to be entirely rewritten... on not more than ONE PAGE for individuals. You earn between x and y you pay Z amount. Period.

I also believe the large majority of Americans want REAL CORPORATE tax reform. That will admittedly be much more difficult as we all know ALL politicians, Republican and Democrat alike, all bow down to the same God. MONEY. And we all know where that money comes from. What the politicians need to be STRONGLY reminded of is that no corporation can provide them the one thing they covet even more than money.... the VOTE. I would suggest the corporate rate be lowered to 15-20%. HOWEVER.. all loopholes would be eliminated. Limit corporate deductions to true expenses.. salaries, benefits, utilities. An additional limit would be for Executive Compensation. That should be not more than say 1.5 to maybe 2.5 million per individual. They can pay them more if they want, b ut it would have to come from post-tax PROFITS. Let them explain to the stockholders why they're so generous.

Yes, there are MANY places where the left and right agree, it's just the way the message is sent that many object to.

I see many negative comments regarding the Occupy Wall Street movement given the actions they made in interrupting Ms. Bachmann's speech. Yes, it may be inapproapriate and inconsiderate that these protesters interrupted her speech but they wanted to get some pertinent information to the listeners who had not known of her campaign receiving contributions from the group Americans for Prosperity which is made up of wealthy individuals who believe in this system we live in which is ignoring the majority of Americans and their plight.

I am 100 percent behind OWS and plan on becoming a member. The current system is not working with few prospering while the vast majority are suffering by scraping by to make a living. Socialism is not the answer but there must be a fairer balance of wealth distribution between the wealthy and the rest of us. With the United States in serious financial problems and looming DEEP cuts in all areas of the federal budget which will reduce services and infrastructure and affect US national security by deep cuts to the military the top 1 percent must contribute more to sustain and improve the health of the nation that gave them the opportunity to become so rich and successful.

OWS members are not looking for a free ride. They (and I) are only asking for a fair wage for the hard work that I perform 5 days a week. I have medical expenses that consume half my income working in a fast food restaurant (only job around) after losing my career in the airline industry. I would like to have health insurance and better pay to live a somewhat normal life where one can take a week vacation each year, drive a decent car (other than riding a bike) and live in a decent place. This is all we are asking. And we are fed up with the corporate and affluent individuals influence in our government. Seriously, look at the news and all you see is how much money each running for the Presidential office has raised. This is almost 'buying' your way to office. Florida's governor did. Rick Scott is a convicted criminal who embezzeled millions from federal medicare and medicaide and turned away indigent patients at his hospitals when he was in charge of HCA. Rick Scott outspent everyone in the campaign. He bought himself into office. Government should be for the people not for the corporations and influental. It is time for Americans to stand up and challenge the rich and powerful who are influencing our lives in a negative manner.

How about your lying president that raised 350 million in his last campaign in thirty days and has been raising untold millions every since who has never stopped campaigning since he has been in office. The only way you can come up with that much money is from drugs and extortion. Which he is well aware of in his past. go to Chicago and dig in his past if you dare. He has taken money from foreign nations for his campaign and is deeply influenced by them. The boy is so dirty that he can't get clean., Him and his disgusting wife who blows money like it is going out of style is the worst jet setter, even he has been embarrassed by her spending. but that's fine she is a Democrat.

I see you self proclaim in your name.

Nice name, as a Conservative, Bachman is the last person I would vote for President. The OWS is a cancer, they have no real cause other than "give me some of what you got" or "work hard so I don't have to" or "I think education should be free along with health care and housing" or "the rich should be punished for their success"...they are really good at selling drugs, violence, defecation on police cars and rape. These fools are truly Liberals and I can see why the dems love them so much, they are a reflection of the Democratic Party!!

health care should not be a profit driven business. Also, free education is actually a good idea for the United States as a whole as this country would have a significant higher number of professionals who could form businesses here in the US employing Americans. Did you know that China and other advanced nations offer free higher education for their citizens? They realize the benefit to the nation and it's competitive stance with the rest of the world.

OWS is not about a bunch of freeloaders. It is about eliminating big money's influence on the government which was originally for the people and it is about fair wage and living standards for the new class of Americans that replaced the middle class which is the working poor.

Glad to hear you judge people, with Obama's failed Bailouts, failed policies and the constant votes to repeal the biggest part of healthcare (see Ohio as an example, they are Democratic at heart and they voted 61% against it) Who do the Democrats have besides Obama who has been campaigning since 08 and has never stopped. He is your best??? By the time Nov 2012 hits he'll have the same low rating that Bush had on his way out.

I am an ex democrat and I left that party because of the corruption and the whiners who want handout after handout. Obama whom I believe is the black Satan and is leading America to hell. He is a socialist running on the backs of people who work for a living. He wont be satisfied until we have a physical revolution in this country so he can declare martial law and become a dictator as he has so stated he wants to be. Blood in the streets and total anarchy will prevail, then lets see how you occupy fools are liking that.

Nick, what's it like to live in constant fear?

--She was making an important point about "blah, blah, socialism..." and "praying the gay away..."--and something else...

Your right the audience didnt miss anything, but they learned how disruptive the Liberal OWS is!! At least the Tea Party didnt defecate on police cars, sell drugs, litter and rape.

I beg to differ Conservative.

The Tea party defecates on the poor, enables the pharmy companies to peddle drugs while receiving tax cuts, litter our airwaves with propganda, and rape the American worker!

I am an American Worker. I am an American Small Business owner. I am a Conservative. I pay my taxes. I match my 3 employees taxes. I paid for my own College. I listen to talk radio. I have never asked for a handout. I go to church. I respect those around me as long as I am respected in turn. Since when did I become the bad guy? Since when did my hard work, sacrifices, and time away from my family to build a successful small business become a vulgar illgotten gain? I need all the tax breaks I can get to stay in business.. Who are you to judge me?

Hey Farm,

Don't pay attention to the "Have Nots". They never will have because they don't have the brains, guts or ingenuity to start and run their own business. If they did, they wouldn't be complaining and whining on this site ......

I see you guys completed the Sarah Palin class for whiners and playing the victim. bravo! LOL

lololol Her facial expression was priceless ........

Yes OWS are good communist

Sh!t or go Blind, Priceless Coming from a LTC I'd like to see the expression on the Ranter's face if it happen to them.1st Amendment,yes Tack & Lack of Intelligence No......

you got that right.

Lily white national socialists?? I am a Tea Party member, a dyed in the wool Republican, and born Jewish (now a Christian). There are as many Black people in America's Christian churches as there are white folks. Jewish people are not usually considered "white", so I am not white, even though Christian.In the U. S. Army, I was responsibile for integrating all the Black troops in Western Europe, sending secret reports to the Pentagon as to my progress, and when I left the army, there were no all black units in the Army anywhere! I went to Cal Berkeley, hardly known for a "separationist" policy. "National Socialist" means NAZI, and I repeat, I was born Jewish. Name is Levy, which means NA
ZI groups would not even let me in if I wanted to join them. So you now see how totally ignorant your remarks were. Care to repeat them? I wouldn't be surprised. Shame on you. Shame.

at least their thoughts are not owned by the elite like yours

Ervin learned from Bachman that if they disagree with him, they are anti-American and socialists.

Amazing how that means a majority of the country somehow hates America...

This two party system isn't working obviously.

since when is it anti-American to express your thoughts and opinions? That is what the 1st Amendment is all about, isn't it? Grow up people and listen to what most of the citizens of this country are saying!! WE ARE THE 99 PERCENT.

Oh, and Ervin, just because they live with their parents does not make them anti-American. You are just slightly nuts if you think that using the type of language posted here is in any way American.

its time you take of your pointy white hood

Bambi-Talk about grow up you stupid little c--t, you ain't even 20%, And you are anti american you frickin losers.

seang;

yes and you can take off your pointy dunce hat.

CfP ... It's not the system ... It's the people in it ...

Hey Bambi, you are NOT the 99%, the whiney misfits calling themselves the ows are a tiny fraction of the 99%. The liberal arrogance and ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

'Did anyone yell "You lie"???"

Did anyone spit on her like the tea bag people did to a Democratic House member? Was anyone carrying around an assault weapon like some tea bag people did at town hall meetings?

it was not proven the Progressive liberals wanted the Tea-Party to be violence but it turn out that the OWS an the Penn States student are all in the same boat,Violante will lead to more Violante then the Progressive Liberal will have the People of the United States where they want them under Marshall law then let see how Violent it will be.

Arhillbilly, did you get your education in America? Because if so, I weep for the future... Did you learn punctuation at all, or how to spell VIOLENCE (Violante...)...?

Hey Charlie- The difference is he deserves to be spit on, actually he should have something else sprayed all over him, maybe in a yellow shade.

I was expecting Bil Ayers and Abby Hoffman to show up to your gatherings. They would be in good company with the rest of you socialist morons.

charlie....really a house member was spit on? are you sure about that? oh and why are they protesting michelle who can't be blamed blame for anything? don't they know they are crapping on the wrong lawn?

this "he started it" excuse is really childish, but what else should we expect from OWS?

funny I thought it was the libs encouraging the OWS with there signs of eat the rich or their rapes and throwing credit card recorders at mcDondald employees for not giving free food or attacking vendor carts because they stopped giving free food and just and just plain rioting

funny I thought...

BWAHHHHAHHAHAHA!

That IS funny, GOP! LOL

Chairman Obama of the Peoples Democratic Socialist Union is the Great Divider. He has tried his best to divide this country into the "haves and have nots" but instead it divided into the "do's and the do nothings". Wall Streeters are the losers and beggers in a great society. They are a small "fringe" group and are seen by everyone who looks as a circus of freaks. Suck on that.

FT ... Nobody is going to suck any thing printed from your key board ...