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Paul Sancya / AP
Texas Gov. Rick Perry points his head as he speaks during a debate in Auburn Hills, Mich., Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2011.
From NBC's Carrie Dann:
Pundits called it a "a freeze." "A nightmare." A "brutal stumble." "Brain fart."
But Rick Perry may have put the best label on it with one word during Wednesday night's debate in Michigan: "Oops."
Perry suffered a nearly-minute-long journey into the verbal wildness as he grasped to remember the name of one of the three federal agencies he would pledge to eliminate, grasping at words so awkwardly that one of his rivals helpfully suggested "EPA?" in the effort to kickstart the stalled mental engine of the Texas governor.
The campaign went into cleanup mode minutes after the debate ended, bringing candidate Perry himself to face reporters and flatly own up to "stepping in it." Back in Austin, staff scrambled to book the governor in a series of round robin interviews on the morning news shows, bracing for questions about whether or not the onetime front runner would even bother soldiering on in the presidential race.
And by 2:40 a.m., about five hours after the stumble, the campaign had sent out an email appeal to supporters riffing on the moment and chalking the error up to Washington's over-bloating.
Slideshow: The rise of Texas Gov. Rick Perry
"Rick Perry forgot the third agency he wants to eliminate. Just goes to show there are too damn many federal agencies," read the email appeal from Perry's team, subject lined "So, which agency would you most like to forget?"
That strategy showed in his morning interviews, as Perry directed each anchor to his new web site where fans can vote for their most hated of 10 agencies to eliminate (starting, of course, with the Department of Energy, the one Perry forgot).
As Perry was subjected to five rapid-fire network rehashes of the disastrous 53 seconds, he chuckled and shook his head.
"I will tell you, I don't mind saying clearly that I stepped in it last night," he said on NBC's TODAY. "I think I'm like most Americans, and there's so many agencies of government out there we'd like to forget that the Department of Energy was one of those."
Rick Perry tells TODAY that his debate stumble will not end his presidential bid.
Advisers hope that the lemons-to-lemonade approach could take some of the sting out of the evening, but the "brain freeze" moment crystallized a long-building narrative about Perry's halting performance in many of his six previous debates.
Still, Perry -- who has never lost an election -- appears to have no intention of giving up on a run that's seen his polling average drop by 20 points in 2 months. Noting that today is the 236th birthday of the Marine Corps, Perry told the AP this morning that "this ain't a day for quitting nothing."
And, mobbed by reporters last night who peppered him with questions like "are you embarrassed?" Perry pledged that he will appear on stage for the next debate this weekend in Spartanburg.
"I'll be in South Carolina on Saturday," he said. "And hopefully I'll remember the Energy Department.
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That's a pen in your hand Perry - NOT a magic wand!
It's time to exit... stage right! ;o)
How the Perry camp is hoping to turn lemons into lemonade...
Honestly now, why should Perry's lack of intelligence be a problem? Isn't that what today's Republican party wants?
Will they be turning it into frozen lemonade?
its a shame the gop does not have a candidate that never held a private job outside academia, counted amongst his closest friends a domestic terrorist/admitted communist, and listened to a pastor for 20 years that hates America.
yes, a real shame.
11/2012: the end of an error.
TEA
The GOP and Democrats are merely the conservative and liberal wing of the same party (that favors the rich and corporations). What we need is a viable third party that represents the interests of the middle class working men and women in this country. Just my thoughts..
Do you all smell that? It smells like Texas Toast.
its refreshing to have a presidential candidate vetted.
Rick Perry forgot the third agency he wants to eliminate. Just goes to show there are too damn many federal agencies
Look at the statement above. It is self-destructing. There are "too many" and brain-dead Perry can not even remember 3. Pathetic!
He is taking a contest with Herman Cain to see who "forgets" anything faster. Both, apparently, have memory problems.
Rick Perry is a dangerous moron. He is even stupider than George W. Bush and look what he did to the country.
Unfortunately republicans perceive stupidity as a virtue, as opposed to that elitist education and ability to read write and speak the English Language.
On his best day Perry speaks that pidgin version of English known as a Texas drawl. The scariest thing is that republicans voted for George W. Bush....TWICE, and he is just a tiny bit smarter than Perry, so it seems that they would jump at the chance to vote for another dangerous moron.
If it talks like Gober, looks like Gober, acts like Gober, it must be Perry.
I just hope Herman Cain appreciates Rick Perry's sacrifice. Between Perry's brain fart and the firing of Joe Paterno the news media is giving Cain a pass today. By the time they get back to the business of the 2012 election they will have forgotten completely about Herman's "hands on" management style.
I'm sorry, I'm continually reminded of the late Cleavon Little's line to the Klansmen in the movie "Blazing Saddles", "Where are the white women?"
It was funny when Cleavon Little said it.
Obama/Biden 2012
Mitch
At least we do have a President who can speak in complete, coherent sentences. Your guys seem to have a problem with that.
mdrn, your president is eloquent, i will give you that. this the anniversary of the marine "corpse"
he was very coherent when he called me his enemy.
btw, i am a democrat.
Feisty,
Stage Right?!?! Which one is that?!?!?! Can someone please go out there and take Rick Perry by the hand and lead him off the stage......PLEASE hurry...........
How can this motley crew of candudates top each weeks performances, the public wants to know. Don't go away Perry! The entertainment is what we want. Perry will now be known as "what am I talking about" Perry. Cain - Mr. Feely your goodies. Romney - Today I'm for this, tomorrow I'll be against it. Gingrich - I'm the smartest person on Earth. Don't forget the three stooges, Paul - Bachman - INSanitorium - we may be crazy but we hope you are too! This group of mental midgets is hilarious and deserving of their own reality show, oh wait this is reality! ROTFL! I may have just messed myself, gotta go. Damn, not even Hollywood could make this up.
It would be Perry's very own Dana Delaney moment! OUCH!
The only Republican candidate with the experience and IQ to be president is John Huntsman. And leave it to the Republicans--most of them have never heard of him, or if they have, find him too centrist. Centrist? Isn't that what we need to get this stalled government off the dime? Obama has not been centrist. He has collapsed in every head-to-head and handed the right exactly what they want. Please, send us a strong moderate candidate!!!!!!!!! And please, DNC, pull Obama and replace him with a candidate we can support! I don't care which party a good candidate is in, as long as he has a brain and the strength to lead.
In related news, another rat abandons the sinking ship:
'Body man' Love lost for Obama
"Reggie Love, the personal aide always hovering within yards of President Barack Obama, will leave his boss's side at the end of the year, a source familiar with his plans said Thursday."
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-aide-love-step-down-report-073517664.html
Still grasping for straws I see. Keep at it, maybe one day you will accidentally grab onto something.
MDrn
At least we do have a President who can speak in complete, coherent sentences
Yes, he reads well. But take away the teleprompter telling him what to say and you end up with a whole bunch of "Uhs" and "Ums" mixed between his recounting of 57 states.
Why is it that BHO is never remember for his gafs and mistakes? He has made plenty to remember......
And if the ability to speak coherently without a teleprompter were a requirement, BHO certainly would not pass the test either.
ABO 2012
[he was very coherent when he called me his enemy.]
Awww...poor poor mitchell j...is that RIFD chip in your neck itching again? Better get that removed..."they" know where you live...
There is no doubt that I will be voting for Obama next year, and really could not vote for any of these GOP candidates. I also have a strong dislike for the staunch Republican supporters voicing their hateful opinions on Newsvine, as they seem to have been instructed by Rush or Fox News. I've got no use for the conservative haters, if you will.
Saying all that, I would challenge any of you to deny that at some time in your life that you have not had a "brain fart". Mine came in 8th grade history, when each class member was to recite the preamble to the Constitution. MY turn came, I stood up, and promptly forgot every word of the darned thing. My teacher kindly allowed me to sit, came back to me, and I recited it without a problem. That's one I won't forget, I'm sure there are many others less remarkable. Rick Perry had a brain fart last night, nothing more and nothing less. I would hope us libs, lefties, Democrats and whatever else might be used to describe us, would take the high road and not spew this hate. I'm not saying we excuse Perry, or the rest of them for the policies they endorse, but if a person makes a human error maybe we could just overlook it. Let's leave the venomous hate speech for the Rush Limbaugh and Fox News followers.
Look on the bright side, at least he didn't blame the Herman Cain campaign....
OMG!!!!! That is NOT lemonade! Don't drink it!!!
And don't eat yellow snow!!
J100- You're right of course in that we all forget things, we all have brain farts. Yours came in 8th grade history, mine came in high school when I got up to recite my scene from Macbeth. But hey, we were in grade school and high school, this guy is running for POTUS. A little memory cramp in school means nothing compared to a brain freeze in our President. After his bizarre drunk like speech in New Hampshire the other week I think Perry may have an issue with brain function. He should have it looked into after he drops out of this election cycle. Or...he's really just a scatter brained idiot. I think it's the latter.
He's just going to rely on part of that old saying "you can fool some of the people all of the time"!
Does anyone else see the humor in the fact that one of the agencies was the Department of Education, and then he suddenly can't remember a thing after that? Especially since Texas is paving the way for ignorance in our textbooks. LMAO!!!
Obama may be an intelligent speaker but blah blah blah blah blah teleprompter blah blah blah socialist blah blah blah.
Get over it. Every President has used a teleprompter since it was invented. Your precious Bush couldn't speak even with a teleprompter so I guess it is a big achievement reading that thing, huh?
Yes, but I can't remember him ever debating anyone in any of those elections. He's always cut-n-run from them here in Texas.
Let's see, Perry want to eliminate 3 agencies. Eliminating 1 will keep the kids dumb, and the other 2 will keep 'em poor.
I'm pretty sure it's not lemonade that the repubs are drinking. I think its the coolaid.
But seriously folks, since the repubs cherish ignorance and fear intelligent, articulate, educated, rational thinking people, I wouldn't be surprised to see Perry's numbers actually improve because of his "ah gee, shucks, oops" moment.
Not to contradict you - but I'm positive it's HATE-OR-AID!
so for all of you that have enjoyed poking fun, deriding, insulting and just plain being mean about his "performance" last night look at this stump speech and see if you can say the same things about a different candidate.
I found it extremely amusing that he had his brain fart after naming the Dept of Education to cut. May want to rethink that one.
I'm guessing Fiesty demanded Obama resign when he said there were 53 states in the union?
Please get some new material. Include in that the George Soros and the telepromter nonsense. All this shows is that the right has nothing on the president so they invent and embellish. Just like with their policies on governance, they have nothing new to offer.
Well now Michele Bachmann can forever refer to Rick Perry as the Teleprompter King.
Going on the Letterman Show did not address the real issues with Rick Perry...and it was not funny.
Because Rick Perry doesn't have the last name of Bush, he needs an elevated IQ to be in the race. Graduating College with a D average is what it is.
A D Student try as they may will never even be a C student. Perry is doomed. He is no more ready to be President than Sarah Palin was to be Vice President and the Nation settled than on election day 2008.
Rick Perry is only suited for the microcosm of his world called Texas.
Rick Perry is the "no brains" candidate. Americans are not so idiotic as to fall for the radical rhetoric and juvenile behavior of this thug from Texas. The Tea Party eats up his act, for sure. That just proves how out of touch that dangerous movement is with mainstream America and normal voters. This incident is the most direct proof yet of what kind of madhouse the Republican Party has become. Perry is supposed to be a superstar within the GOP, and the wise architect of the "Texas miracle." Really? I'd say he's a clueless hack with no intelligence and a visceral hatred for America. http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Rick Perry is the "no brains" candidate. Americans are not so idiotic as to fall for the radical rhetoric and juvenile behavior of this thug from Texas.
Um, I want to think you are correct, but George Dubya Bush got elected by pretending to be the guy Rick Perry really is.
Unfortunately, most of the less intelligent are fearful of the "elite" education some of our brightest citizens receive in this country. So they vote for the moron that most reminds them of themselves.
That would explain why Obama is so beloved by criminals.
See post above by pjam09. It's the perfect example of a citizen who feels that Rick perry reminds them of them self. Nonsensical and out in left field.
None of these memory issues are relevant re: Perry. He avoids debates for one significant treason. He's not terribly bright. He's another Texas leader who gets led around by his corporate sponsors, and others with influence. He's never had a need to think. He's not going to become smart overnight. You want a moron for President? He's your man. You want someone who is so deep into graft, payoffs, and looking for Quid Pro Quo for every contract, he's your man.
As for these federal offices? Conservatives would prefer none of them continue so that the decisions concerning health, commerce and energy get tossed around and decided in an atmosphere of chaos . . . where corporate interests will prevail. That would benefit the rich, again, and the American public will soon be breathing fumes, suffering from lapses in judgement and at the mercy of greedy pigs. The completely delusional right will then scream about how we are cursed by God because we allow gays to marry, or kids to get vaccines, or some other such nonsense. How wonderful to be completely, insanely, ignorant. The America of the right is a disaster with all of the ready-made excuses in place.
Maybe Mr. Perry should check with Mr. Cain. As far as I can tell Mr. Cain is an expert on squeezing things.
LOL
Maybe Perry listens to the 'Lemon Song' by the 'Zep while he's doing acid in preparation for his speaking engagements?
I feel for Perry but he has lost his train of thought to often during debates. Can't have him doing that during a UN meeting or state dinner or security briefing. Compared to Perry, W is articulate. On the other hand, Romney's only consistancy is something most American cannot relate too. One church all his life? One wife all his life? One job all his life? I bet everyone reading this post has already disqualified themselves from being as consistent as Romney in these personal traits. However being President is about consistency on issues. Can't have him telling China one thing and Russia the complete opposite on open mic can we? We've already seen many open mic episodes going public already. Romney could start a war.
In related news, another rat abandons the sinking ship:
'Body man' Love lost for Obama
"Reggie Love, the personal aide always hovering within yards of President Barack Obama, will leave his boss's side at the end of the year, a source familiar with his plans said Thursday."
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-aide-love-step-down-report-073517664.html
pj, is this man-love?
no, pjam09 keeps the man-love in the closet.
Unfortunatley, here in Florida, the majority of voters were dumb enough to vote tea party (I didn't BTW). Now, the state is regretting it.
The senior "gang" reported in this morning. Even they, who have voted in more elections than a lot of us have been around, are floored by this group of candidates. They had a lot of politically incorrect comments about the whole "kit and kaboodle".
Never new this guy was a complete mess. Shout out to those aides that are trying to clean up after him. Need a job? Go to Perrymess.com.
They were many dumb enough to vote for Obama in 2008, so how is that going so far?
Obama has done remarkably well considering the repubs have tryed to destroy his presidency since the day he was elected. Like it or not, Healthcare reform, financial reform, saving the American Auto industry, getting Bin Lade, getting rid of Muammar with no US lives lost, the Arab spring after his Cairo speach, and, even though the stimulus was used by states to maintain the status quo and keep them from huge deficits (Texas), without it we would be in another depression. I will happily look forward to 4 more years of a President who is smart, capable, calm, and not on the deck of the aircraft carrier saying "Mission Accomplished".
Very well said Dave. The facts are always the things that trip the baggers up.
You know, this is a sad thing to say, but Rick Perry may be the best of the lot. Now, before you all think I have lost my mind, just listen. He's not bright. But at least he is honest in his stupidity. Having said that, I do believe his days of being in politics are over. He will, however, be a shining star at Fox.
phine
Unfortunately for Perry one actually must to be able to speak in order to be a television commentator, even on Fox.
While I would not vote for Rick Perry, and agree that it was a big gaffe...
the things that most of the candidates said "gaffe-free" were more shocking than Perry's comment.
It is a little disturbing that we can become obsessed with Perry's comment to the point that we are not discussing the truly disturbing statements from the candidates. Their revisionist history and mistaken views on the solutions to the problems of our country (ex: foreclosure problem) should be our topic of discussion.
Hmmm. You do have a point there Don. Hey! I know! He can be a sidekick to one of the Fox stars (kind of like Ed McMahon was to Johnny Carson).
I absolutely agree Colorado. Some of the upsetting things on my list were the no answer for the problems of the Eurozone, the complete lack of respect for women (see Cain's remark regarding Speaker Pelosi), the blaming of the media when they had no response (see Newt's response on health care), and the enthusiam for a trade war with China (or anyone else). Just a few notes on my hit parade.
"Unfortunately for Perry one actually must to be able to speak in order to be a television commentator, even on Fox."
That, and Rick's a little light on the cleavage. They hire a lot of that, too.
phinephancy-4252115
He will, however, be a shining star at Fox
perhaps instead perry could help make up some story about a woman being gang molested, and destroy numerous reputations, causing riots resulting death....then nbc may give him his own show.
mitch
Perhaps you have a point, but it I have no idea what it is. Who said anything about "gang molested women"? What "story" are you talking about? What is your problem with NBC?
don, research tawana brawley.
as to my problem with NBC, have you not seen the commercials for the president they run? its so ridiculous. mathews in front of the white house, talking up his president. that is only one example, and they claim to be a news organization!
its pretty obvious that the libs who almost always get first post in these blogs must work for nbc.
i realize fox is conserviative, but give me a break, nbc is downright insulting.
mitch
NBC and other reputable news organizations corrected the story about Tawana Brawley when the truth became known.
Chris Matthews in front of the White House merely calls out President Obama's detractors for calling him un-American. FOX, meanwhile, allowed the undereducated Glenn Beck to call Obama a communist, a socialist (hard to be both simultaneously, by the way) and a Nazi. "Fair and balanced" is a FOX slogan that is very far from reality.
dear don, dont go by me, the ratings speak for themselves
mitch
So I guess that since ratings are all that matter that Justin Beiber and Lady Ga Ga are the best singers in the world? That Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are correct because they have large radio audiences? That James Patterson is a better author than Hemingway, Steinbeck or Faulkner? Racism was once more popular than humanism in this country ...... that did not make the KKK correct.
Why is it that Rush and Glenn have such big audiences. I rarely pay attention to either, but apparently there are a lot of people who do!
LOL don. mitch has no idea who Hemmingway, Steinbeck or Faulkner are. What kills me about people such as mitch is clearly they didn't put any thought into their sloagn of 'oh yea, well Fox has bigger ratings". Yes, yes they do. And that tells us that mitch, and all his other conservative friends obviously sit in front of their telivisions waiting to be told what to think. The Fox ratings are nothing more than a big flashing sign that says"We have bigger ratings because t-publicans need to stay glued to the television where liberals apparently do not". LOL
jolly
Why do people like cage fighting? Why do folks get in the way of emergency responders at a house fire or traffic accident? Why do people watch the Kardashians on television? Why did the students riot at Penn State?
Get the picture? Lots of people doing dumb things does not make those dumb things reasonable.
Rush and Glenn play to the lowest common denominator with their divisive speech and flawed logic, and the ratings speak much more to the failures in their audiences than to their ideas having any value. Their tactics are name-calling, revisionist history and one-sided reporting. People who believe in what they say have little tolerance for discussion of any opposing viewpoints ....... at a matter of fact, anyone who disagrees is not only worthy of hate and ridicule, they are viewed as un-American. Rush and Glenn are detrimental to the kind of open discussion that feeds a healthy democracy, but ratings are all that matter -- right?
sally, arent you late for your cain accuser coaching seminar with david axelrod?
mitch
If you believe that Democrats are doing anything to stop Cain you are completely irrational. Cain poses no threat to President Obama. $45,000 settlements are not paid when there is no substance to the allegations. Do you actually accept Cain's story that he "doesn't remember"? Are you really that gullible, or just so biased that you won't accept that your guy is flawed?
Doesn't Perry sound like Obama when Obama's teleprompter is stolen? er---uh....uh...perfcetly clear....um...Maybe they could get together and perform as mimes as a team.
That conservative babble about Obama's teleprompter is laughably weak. First, virtually everyone uses the device for major speeches and, second, Barack Obama writes most of his major speeches ...... others do not. Anyone who has seen the President go "off script" knows that he does not need assistance to be a public speaker.
yes, Don, and there is a tooth fairy! How can you miss Obama's stumbling, bumbling er....er.....uh....uh.....perfectly clear pronouncements? Oh I know MSNBC didn't show it. You need to get out a little more. And who can forget those fifty seven states? Ayers wrote his books, by a lot of accounts, or at least Obama voiced Ayers anti-american viewpoints enough so as to be suspected of copying it word for word.
Oh, no! Not the 57 states statement again! That was clearly a slip of the tongue from a very tired candidate who meant to say 57 election contests, which there were when you count Guam, DC, American Samoa, and others. Did you notice that he did not defend his statement, like Palin did after she told her ridiculous Paul Revere story or Bachmann when she told her Concord story in the wrong state.
Isn't it interesting that the person who makes the biggest deal about Obama and the teleprompter is Sarah Palin, who made her initial splash onto the national scene by reading a speech that she did not write from a teleprompter at the Republican Convention in 2008. It was all downhill when everyone found that she was so ignorant. The campaign manager was quoted as saying "she doesn't know anything."
Obama without a teleprompter is like Hershey being out of chocolate. Next time, the marxist is speaking of the cuff, count the ers and uhs, and other stumblebum words he utters. OMG, and you are counting islands in the Pacific territories as states. With crap in your mouth, you would say it didn't stink, if it were the marxist's crap. It was a slip of the marxist brain, not a slip of the tongue. Even dems cringe when he is off his teleprompter.
Das
Did you happen to watch the debates in 2008, which was without teleprompter. President Obama did just fine.
The republican debates are funnier than SNL. Thanks Perry,Cain (Princess Nancy while in the middle of a sex scandle) Paul (End FIVE govment agencies) Bachman (nice tan), Mitt and the rest for providing such hilarious entertainment. Thanks.
Dave, you should laugh all you can now, because when Oblama goes down to defeat next year, I am sure you will be on suicide watch..
Good Luck....I think this may have been his "Howard Dean Scream" moment in time.......here today...... gone tomorrow!!!
1
This was nothing like Howard Dean, who did not have an intellectual meltdown.
Your opinion........Dean was a political fad who had a short moment in the sun while campaigning for President. Perry.......about the same. Perry is still Governor at least.
I honestly didn't see anything wrong with Howard Dean's excitement after losing in Iowa. I saw it was just him trying to fire up his disappointed supporters. The scream was just unfortunate. Then the MSM played the scream over and over to make it sound like a record was skipping.
Let us see if the so called liberal media, plays the Perry lapse over and over and over again. The main street "supposedly" liberal media destroyed a viable candidate in Dean. They will not do the same to Perry, nor should they. I say let him sink or swim on his own policies. Don't throw him a lifeline, the GOP don't belive in handouts.
If Dean was such a fad, why did Obama use his formula of populism and use his political tactics to go after the youth vote and use social media and other non traditional methods to further his candidacy?
I think Dean had just come out of no where and won the state and was for reason over excited when the weird sound came from his mouth.........do not have time to look it up but pretty sure
Obama didn't need any one to win the young vote .....they followed him over the cliff like the Pied Piper
Actually, I was there in that very room that very night where the supposed scream occurred. He was using a noise cancelling mike, the room was PACKED (3,000 plus) with screaming cheering supporters, the Media choose to use ONLY what was coming out of his mike and not complete audio. Google it. CBS ran aa backhanded retraction as did a few other stations. But they had already done the damage they set out to cause. The fact that Hiram doesn't know this already is a clear indication of just how little attention Hiram actually pays.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-596021.html
guess little Sall can't read......
My original post was in regards to the results of his scream........never a real factor in the elections.......maybe Perry can head of the GOP one day.......LOL
CBS was a shill for Dean at the time.
Actually Obama did EXACTLY what Howard Dean did. Obama used Dean's 50 state strategy and used social media to gain a huge base of supporters. Actually, Obama was an original Dean dozen. look it up, that is if you can find the time to find the truth.
phinephancy......I think you nicely summed up Mr Perry. There's not much substance to him and being honest in his stupidity he is not aware of his lack of substance which I suppose has a certain charm as long as the expectations are not high.
Herman Cain is hold ing fast to his defiant stand, and is applauded for it, yet all he is doing is reflecting the mindset of conservatives, when challenged, deny, deny and then deflect when you can. Looking at the latest Quinnipiac polls, and finding he is still leading the GOP candidates in Fl. OH and PA has me wondering who are his supporters? Then I think Rick Scott got elected and I live in Allan West's district even though I didn't or wouldn't vote for either one, anything is possible, let's hope that trend changes by next year.
I think Ricky's days are numbered here. I hope so. As for Cain's numbers, I would love to see a breakdown of the numbers between men and women. As far as I can tell, Mr. Cain has no respect for women.
Rick Perry does not have the talent, knowledge, ability, personality, charisma, education to represent this great country. He could do this country a great service and return to his office in Texas immediately. Oh, take Mr. Cain with you.
So did the GOP just add this whole lot of retards to the campaign trail just to take the heat off of Mitt and to make him look good? I think so.
Perry's Three Point Plan to Get His Campaign Back on Track
1) Smear Herman Cain through aides, but don't get caught.
2) Hit Romney hard as a "flip flopper".
3) Uh.....uh......I forgot what that third thing was............uh.....uh.....
The EPA, no, that's not right. I will get back to you in 15 to 20 minutes
LMGOPAO........That's a good one Mike.......best one yet on the sudject I've seen.
Rick Perry will be crucified on this post regardless, even if he craped gold MSNBC would slam it. I can not for the life of me understand why the left won't let the candidates just get through their primary and let the republicand decide for themselves without the mass media name calling, biased, redundit and endless hate for conservatives.
Um, don't you think the GOP candidates should be looked at by ALL Americans? And the media can't help it if they A) don't answer the question B)flip flop around like a fish on the beach and C) I forget, what was C?
This guy has a chance to be my president. He is a flip flopper, do whatever is needed to get the votes moron. He has used nepotism in Texas like its the law and those who get these jobs are the ones to fill his campaign pockets. He destroys education and the environment and has no right to be my president!
Nothing constructive here, same jokes, same smack. You could care less about any of these canidates, just want to bring them down and enjoy it. They may do that themselves and not need any help, but let them do it and voters will decide. Not many here will be voting in the primary, so not sure why all the constant trash talk.
MRWSR: We don't hate Conservatives, we just hate Their policies.
1. Did Republicans sit back and remain silent during the Obama v Clinton primaries 3 years ago? I think not.
2. You're right...Rick Perry IS imploding all on his own. It's not our fault. I care because while I want President Obama to be re-elected there is also something to be said for wanting the best and brightest of all parties to step forward in this campaign. That's not Perry.
3. Uh...I forget...oops!
Then talk policies. MSNBC is the only platform for the liberal agenda, policies is the last thing I have seen on these post. It has all been name calling and truly hateful degrading of character. No one here cares about conservative policy, don't expect you to. But to claim to be a party for the people and open to all ideas, love and social justice.
I just see hateful speech and intolarance.
After what the Shrub put us through we aren't into getting screwed over by another crooked GOP HACK
I have read up on the policies of all of these people. Along with their past. I do not see anything good that Perry has done or proposes to do. He shows a great lack of intelligence and integrity. If I were to vote in this primary, I would vote for Huntsman. Since huntsman is not backed by Rove, Koch and Fox news, he gets no coverage and doesn't stand a chance. The GOP is a sorry bunch of losers whose sole purpose and policy is to promote the rich. Does that suffice your policy talk?
Hey MRWSR.,
It's tough, isn't it, when the candidate you so rigorously fought for and defended turns out to be such a useless piece of gum-wrapping? What's really distressing is that in your haste to find Anybody But Obama, and your penchant to fall for tag lines, you keep backing ideologues who clearly are not up to the task of being President. You shouldn't have to choose between competency and ideology. I don't understand why the TP won't support Jon Huntsman, who espouses many of their beliefs and does so with political and intellectual diplomatic experience, as well as intelligence. Perhaps it's that many of the TP are so distrusting of anyone more established or academically educated (which doesn't necessarily mean more intelligent) than they are, that they just can't get their hands and heads around a candidate with substance.
MRWSR -- He (Perry) could be thought of as the goose that lays golden eggs!!! ; )
Not liking the policies is not talking about them. You will never like conservative policies. I never endorsed Perry or any candidate.
There is a divide. You do not want a conservative agenda and I do not want a liberal agenda. The candidates will be narrowed down to one. Then it will just be a race of agenda. Conservative vs. Liberal. The people will vote, we will have to accept the outcome.
But the constant rants, insults and elitism is never going to help any cause or get votes.
Check the conservative news outlet blogs if you really want to hear hate speech. Watch conservative news. Listen to conservative radio! There is ten times as much vehemence and hate on your side, and you have the stones to blame it on the liberals. We are just tired of being trodden on and called names, and when called names you can walk away or yell back. We walked away in 2010 and it made things worse. Now, we are standing up against the over reach of a party that has literally gone crazy.
Though, I get the feeling you are practicing a subtle deflect from the topic. Trying to make a few people on this board feel guilty (since empathy is natural to a liberal) and less enthusiastic about next year's political cycle.
Bravo, I do commend you. Usually members of the right aren't able to think deep enough to be subtle.
MRWSR,
Don't beat yourself up over it. If you don't like this site, go elsewhere.
Taishmoser,
Line them up and compare the two. You and I both know what teabagger means. Look at what they say about Cain. Look at the one by one names for all the candidates.
Put them side by side. I am not saying we don't use terms, but you can cross the line and its ok. Conservatives are called racist for the very words libs use. Double standard so don't call us out, just proves you are a hypocrite.
LOL MSWSR. Is this what happens when you finally realize you have NO ONE to defend? You guys are good are playing the victim.
Sally,
Come off your soap box, no victim here, just telling the truth. Double Standard.
MRWSR Unless you live in Texas nd have had to live with perry as governor, shut up. He is the worst governor , up there with bush. Perry is a moron, who has never held a real job. He should be attacked as harshly as possible. If you have children he would be the worst possible preson to have as president destroying our already screwed up education system, and he would plunder mental health servicesalso. You may see hate and name calling on here, but in perry's case he deserves it. You would think that these people who are running for president would be COMPLETELY prepared for any debate, or question. After all these are supposedly the most important moments of their lives.
David,
I am a Texan. Born and raised. When Perry was AG commissioner he started the ranch to rail program, which saved my dad's ranch and many like his. As Gov. he has set up a state that does not accept progressive liberal agenda's, and my son's school is excellent. Sorry you are so disappointed.
he should say I meant the three most powerful federal agencies: ABC, CBS, and NBC!
What a maroon.......
Old Pharmacist
"What a maroon......."
Who? Rick Perry, or mitch j?
dbo, isint there a hackeysack game or public defecation contest in NYC your late for?
Thank you for providing the answer to my question.
drive, the answer is Obama.
Maroon? whats that!
it was beautiful when the audience slapped around the white house puppet for asking non-economic questions!
i bet even her comfortable shoes felt too tight!
You must not listen to her very often. She is totally Wall Street, and most definitely favors the GOP side.
phinephancy: you are right, i dont. usually just catch a few min of squawk box in the am. that said, she works for nbc and all streetwalkers have a price. she seemed very comfortable asking about the cry wolf nonsense. i also liked how newt delt with her.
i was surprised and happy to see the de facto founder of the TEA Party on the panel. i thought bam bam would have taken care of him by now.
mitch, I don't doubt for one second that you are quite schooled on the cost of a streetwalker.
It is a news story and therefore a legitimate question.
The boos illustrate the intellectual dishonesty of the TeaTards.
The Tea Party/Republican audiences boo a gay soldier serving in Iraq, applaud the record number of executions in Texas, shout "let him die" as a solution to the uninsured. Rick Perry is not usually that honest, but he got it right when he said they have no heart. They may have no brains either. [The best symbol for today's GOP may not be the elephant, but the Tin Man and the Scarecrow.] The current crop of candidates and their status reflects that. They have just one who is intelligent, well qualified by experience, thoughtful and reasonable, but who has largely refused to pander to the lunatic fringe. He has zero support beyond his immediate family. If you tell them the truth they will discard you. If you tell them what they want to hear, they will always love you, at least "until somebody new comes along".
When life gives you lemons, ask for tequila and salt!
You all seem to be forgetting one very important thing. If B. Hussein Obama can get elected, pretty much ANY of these people can too. None of the republican candidates now or in 2008 had a name common among terrorists, dictators and other Islamofacists. None of them have spent their whole lives around anti-Americans the way Hussein did. (well, except maybe Romney since he IS from Massachussetts). None of them are talking about overturning and tearing down everything that made America great, like Hussein and the Dems do.
If the theory is correct that , Bush was so bad it caused America to elect a black, anti-American community organizer from the corruption capitol of America man, then don't you think Americans will be so down on Obama in a few months they'll elect pretty much anybody?
zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Another ethnocentric ignorant. Move on with your ignorant talking points that have no backing to them.
lol, anyone who emphasizes "hussein" might as well hang a sign around his neck saying "I'm an idiot, please ignore me".
there is plenty to dislike about obama's policies, but constantly using "hussein" identifies you as a mindless partisan flack.
I came upon his stupid post.
I saw the sign around his neck.
I ignored him.
That was easy.
How often did people use the term "dubya", to make fun of southern and texas drawls, when in fact, it was just, W.
So filbert, I assume you are one of the four people who voted in favor of Damage123's idiotic ethnocentric posting, right?
Am I missing something or is that not one of his names on his birth Certificate? People call me by my middle name often.
What a disingenuous response. Yes, you will have to look it up.
Uh, I think we have the winner of the delusional post of the day--filbert! 1) "Dubya" was Bush the Lesser's nickname for decades. 2) It was bandied about by his sycophants throughout his reign to separate him from his father. 3) uh, the EPA, or were there five reasons...
Yes, the left HAS used his own nickname and imputed it with implications of stupidity, your kind simply creates its own nicknames, associate it with your mendacity and misinformation, then act as if slander were substance.
Take lemons and squirt in eye. You'll get the same effect.
despite his gaff, the main reason the libs are told to hate him: perry is consistant in his call for tort reform.
the tort lawyers are one of the strongest lobbies in DC, and control most of Congress, and by extension the liberals (they just dont know it)
Well gee Mitch, if a doctor shows up drunk and chops my arm off instead of removing my wisdom teeth, I think it's important that I be able to sue him for it. Just what the hell do you think those evil communist lawsuits are, anyway?
lol, maybe mitchj you're just plain wrong..and don't know it. :)
I thought "the libs" were supposed to hate perry because he was so electable..or because he wants a flat tax..or one of many things the "experts" like you have claimed. lol.
I was told by Lib Central to hate Perry because . . . of . . . his . . . uh . . . his . . . [drifts off into lala land].
vermont.
you guys send an admitted socialist to congress.
hows that goose step coming along!
Mitch, ol' boy..that would be a (conservative) nazi who goosesteps...you know like the good ol' boys down south!!...what a joke...you are about as bright as Perry!!...
wow.......you dissed an entire portion of our country. In one sentence! I would have to check, but if I were to guess on my experience alone, our Military is beholden to those southern men and women.
You just kepp telling yourself that jolly is it makes you ffeel better. LMAO, The military is BEHOLDEN to the southern men and women. ROTFLMAO
The military is beholden to California and the eastern seaboard, where the population is.
Damage123- Back up anything you said with facts, anti-American? How? Overturning and tearing down everything that made America great? Proof, facts? You are parroting Hannity, I love that speech of his! Bogas as your claims! LOL You too Mitchj- you guys are on the attack, because the GOP line-up shares a 1/2 of a brain! But I love Perry, and Cain too!
All these lemmings have is talking points. Google would save them from their ongoing embarrassment to the world.
We need to support the GOP for 2012! End women right to choose. End the gays in the military right to marry. Force prayer in public schools. We are a christian nation we need to take it back. End Obama care, 35% of the people are skipping out on their medical bills. Who today would even want to buy health insurance anyway, they got to treat you. We need to stop kicking the can. USA USA USA GOP GOP GOP america!
What we really need to do is to educate mindless lemmings like you
Touche Truthteller - and don't forget enact pay to work programs, tax relief for wealthy (they don't have enough), and holding all citizens at gun point to repeat In God We Trust. GO GOP, GO GOP!!
Guess those iconoclasts--Parker and Stone--got your slogan before you could..."America. F*** YEA!" or perhaps the "dick/pussy/a$$hole" soliloquy should be the GOP/TP commercial?
Absolutely, Truthteller. What this country needs is a right wing dictatorship. Why should we let North Korea and the Taliban be the only ones who can dictate how everyone will behave. We're Americans; we can do everything better than anyone else.
The Department of Forgetfullness must be eliminated! Yeah, he stepped in a big pile of Perry. Yeah, I said it.
If life hands you Perry, make manure tea. What a friggin' moron. The saddest part is he was already out of the picture long ago, and he didn't know it then, and he is nothing but a bad joke now, and he STILL doesn't know it.
The Cain camp is following suit looking for some women to squeeze Herman's lemons.
At least he ain't won of dose squirrly brainy upitty Harved types that just want to raise my taxes.
We want to raise your taxes if you are one of the 1% that have been recieving welfare for the last 30 years
Nope, he's a moron who barely made it through Texas A&M and all he wants to do is bankrupt our country and destroy the middle class to protect the pockets of millionaires.
Yep, Kings and servants is their goal. How does 3 dollars an hour sound teabaggers?
Tryreality,
MRWSR:
The economic theories of the supply side economists are largely based upon the Laffer Curve, which is a theoretical model that explores the relationship between taxes and government revenue. Most of those theorists focus on the right side of the model, which states that taxes that are too high become counter-productive by leading to less revenue. This is because there is little incentive to grow a business with very high taxes, and because there is also incentive to cheat.
What many supply side economicsts ignore is the first half of the equation, that taxes have to be at a certain level in order to produce enough revenue for government to function. If taxes aren't high enough, then government will not collect enough money. Thus, any tax cut would have to be done in a way so as the direct revenue lost via the cheaper rates is offset by the expansion of the economy that the cut presumably assisted in. Clearly, whatever impact the Bush tax cuts had, it did not grow the economy in a way that minimized the deficit.
Can spending be reduced? Definitely, but if you buy the laffer curve theory, then I can't see how anyone can deny that we're on the short side of the point of "optimal taxation"
Michael,
This is a good article by Dan Mitchell;
That is a fair article, but the point I was making was not that there was a linear relationship between tax rates and revenue, but that we are on the left side of the curve. Right now, we've pretty much cut taxes about as low as they can go without risking serious long-term damage to the ability of government to do anything. Yes, spending has to be reduced, and substantially so, but you cannot balance the budget on spending cuts alone unless you want to drop spending on vital items such as the military, Medicare and Social Security.
BTW, I don't claim to be any type of guru on the budget, but I recognize just how difficult it can be to balance the budget. It may be pretty close to impossible, and it certainly is impossible without making the hard choices that would get most politicians thrown out of office, if not tarred and feathered.
Let me provide a link to website that has an interesting budget simulation that demonstrates just how difficult it would be to eliminate the deficit, and the simulation uses 2006 numbers when it was nowhere near as high as it is today. I urge anyone who cares about the budget deficits to try and reduce the deficit by a substantial amount. If you are able to do so, then how was it acheived? Would your choices even be feasible today?
http://www.nathannewman.org/nbs/
As far as the economy goes, how do you explain the extended period of economic growth in the 90's, when taxes were actually up from the 80's in the effort to balance the budget.
Econmist say that the balancing of the budget, birth of tech markets and increase in the dollar, kept confidence and supported markets.
Also, thank you for the link.
I do believe Chitown went to school in Texas. "he ain't won of dose....." LOL
MSWSR, wasn't all that job growth you attribute to Bush 43 mainly in low paying job sectors, fast food etc.? Wasn't the average wage on a major downhill slide and descended at a more rapid rate after the tax cuts? Hasn't it been pretty well accepted by most except the delusional Right that there has been little to no benefit from the Bush tax cuts? Shouldn't the Right start considering the possibility that we may be entering a new era when Trickle-Down Economics as a model to sustain American free enterprise just won't work anymore?
Wow, your ignorance keeps showing when you keep sterotyping all Texans as ignorant. All states have ignorant, inbred people. You should know, Sally 1456674.
Sally,
Seriously, can you not recognize blatant sarcasm? Maybe we need a new punctuation like a "sarcastric" to make it clear to you.
Damage...you, sir, are as anti-American in your rhetoric as you can be. All you do is spew forth Fox News talking points...I'm guessing you'd get into bed with Rush or Hannity since you have memorized their manifesto. Typical TeaBagger playing the race card. And tell me you would support Cain for President???
YOU are what's wrong with America. You prefer to tear it down thru hate and vitrol instead of compromise and compassion.
Kudos to the debate team moderators!! This was the best debate yet because they asked relevant, pointed questions, they listened to what was being said and asked follow-up questions, they insisted candidates answer the questions and thanks to Kramer and the othher "guest experts" set the record straight when necessary. This flock of GOP birds would be amusing stage craft were the country not in jeopardy of calling one of them Mr. President! And my favoirite moment of the veneing, other than watching Mr. Perry flounder AGAIN was Newt's selective historical perspective. Do we have short term memory loss??? When the markets are left to their own, uninhibted devices we get the 2008 meltdowAnd suggestiung that the American work culture, wages etc are the reason that companies go overseas is amazing because it's true! Yes. They go overseas where they pay people dollars a day rather than per hour to live in poverty on polluted ground,and water and breathe polluted air. Have you not been following the stories about India and China? President Obama is right - this is NOT a race to the bottom! America may need to recalibrate but we don't accept the notion that the wealthy get wealthier while the people who make it all possible live marginally. That is so 19th century and, oh yeah, attacked and dismantled by a Republican President Theodore Roosevelt!!
LHD: Agreed. Sadly, that form or Republicanism is so dead and buried it will never be heard from again.
What is so ironical is that a guy like Perry who is bought and paid for by Big Oil could not recall that the third dept. he wanted to do with was the Dept. of Energy!!! LMAO Poetic justice I'd say.
Ironical?
interesting newt after leaving office is paid $300,000 from Fannie or Freddie( they were hiring a lot of ex politicians primarily conservative) for advise and per Newt he privately told them of the "bubble" but in public praised them as a model for other companies to follow.
Hypocracy at its finest but Newt has had a number of "embarasments" in his life- he is a serial embarsment
yes jolly, ironical. Purchase a dictionary and thesaurus. The red books filled with words. Incongruity is used in the definition. Do you need me to get you the definition of that too?
1.
ironical - characterized by often poignant difference or incongruity between what is expected and what actually is; "madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker"; "it was ironical that the well-planned scheme failed so completely"
There you go again, Sally. You keep using highfalutin words that require 10th grade English...I think you need to remember our audience!
comments from IL!
nuff said!