Do you even know what you mean when you say "obamacare?" All you (have been told to be) upset about is that you have to pay for insurance and don't show up like a hippie at the ER with your hand held out for a free lunch. What kind of conservative are you?

Teabaggers like to say "Obamacare". They don't know what it means...really, nobody knows what it means since it doesn't actually exist.

They rejected the mandate. Ohio can still come up with their own form of affordable health care just like Vermont or Mass. or any other state according to the guidelines of the PPAFCA.

Doesn't matter if they reject it or not, federal law trumps state.

BTW UofC Student, I'm a Hippie and I work. I'm also retired military so please get it thru your thick head it isn't just one group or another that is the problem here in the US. Everyone has contributed to it, lib/con, rich/poor, whatever.

It is in the article, but reading has never been the strong point of most Repugs, Tea Baggers, and Cons. It also says in the article that it is irrelevant because the Supreme Court will ultimately decide the fate of the health care law. And as a sidebar, the more than likely will uphold it. True it will probably come down to Anthony Kennedy, but my money says he sides with the sane element of the Court this time. He probably went off his meds when he went along with Citizens United and has since learned his lesson. For those of you who don't follow the Supreme Court well, we have four justices who are sane, for who are stark raving lunatics, and Anthony Kennedy who has his lucid moments but from time to time will go off his meds and vote with the loonies. It all just depends on what kind of day he is having.

The State of Ohio voters voted Overwhelmingly Against ObamaCare mandate. That's Bad for Obama/Democrats.... the more States that do this, the better chance Supreme Court will declare it unconstitutional.

Ohioans Overwhelmingly Expressed their Disgust, Disdain for Obama and ObamaCare!

Obamacare is government MANDATED healthcare - it's obvious all you nannystate progressives love that type of thing. All hail the Obamanation!

most people don't understand health insurance until they have to take a contract job and are shut out of health insurance. thus they are deemed expendable by the republicans after they go broke if they get a major illness.

Ohioans Overwhelmingly Expressed their Disgust, Disdain for Obama and ObamaCare!

All I see when I read your post is someone who didn't pay attention when they taught grammar. I'm sure you think you have a point in there somewhere, but at this point only you could possibly know what that point might be.

The State of Ohio voters voted Overwhelmingly Against ObamaCare mandate. That's Bad for Obama/Democrats.... the more States that do this, the better chance Supreme Court will declare it unconstitutional.

...and what's your excuse for missing the civics lesson?

My goodness. The Supreme Court rules on the basis of popularity? Really?

Vince-545056 - Wow, what an unbiased assessment of the Supreme Court, you are surely someone I would look to for a rational and even-handed analysis of the issues.

penguin5555 so that is supposed to give you the right to steal my wages to pay for YOUR healthcare?

Andrew547 you're point is well taken - lets hope that isn't the case.

Cool .. let Ohioans go without access to healthcare. Let them drop off the face of the map if they can't afford the $5500 per treatment for cancer. I say let Ohioans die. Let's all do as Paul does .. hasta la baby. By the way, I do want Ohioans to live .. just not the Paul Ohioans.

Gotta love a conservative! You do realize that Obamacare (as you call it) may be the difference between affording a full term pregnancy or only being able to afford an abortion. Obamacare may do more to reduce the number of abortions than simply declaring 'personhood'.

Of course really doing something to reduce the number of abortions will require some personal sacrifice for someone else's benefit. A totally alien concept for a conservative ...

I have excellent health insurance, dental, and vision. My company pays for it. Between my wife and I, we would be swimming in over $36,000 of debt for two 3 hour emergency room visits. Luckily we're not. We work hard, as do millions of other Americans. And I think people like us should have the sort of insurance safety net we do, it's just common sense. The companies that don't offer their employees good, affordable health care should be ashamed of themselves. The companies that hire people and purposely work them under a certain number of hours so they don't have to pay for benefits should be ashamed of themselves. I'm not for health insurance handouts. I believe you should work for what you get. But when it comes to corporate greed holding down the hard working people that keep the cogs turning, yes, I'm for government law putting them in place.

How do the poor contribute to "This Mess"? Ohh you must mean because they use programs like food stamps and public housing ... You know people wouldn't need those kinds of programs if the 1% wouldn't be so fu@king cheap and actually pay a living wage. But it wouldn't be fair for me to ask for mine, before you take yours, huh?

I have come to the conclusion that "Natural Selection" is being manipulated by warning labels. Get rid of all warning labels, and in a couple of generations we can probably get rid of the idiots too. Instead of voter ID's, they should have Voters IQ.

Teabaggers like to say "Obamacare". They don't know what it means...really, nobody knows what it means since it doesn't actually exist.

Bottom line, it means trillions of dollars more in government spending and increased bureaucracy this country cannot afford. Get a clue.

Hey "Really? Seriously?".

The companies that don't offer their employees good, affordable health care should be ashamed of themselves.

Let me help your feeble little mind understand how things in this country work. Good, affordable health insurance isn't something a company can declare they're going to offer. It's all in what the health insurance companies - by their grace and with their permission - allow the company to offer.

My company for the past 3 years has cost our insurance company (United HealthScare) between $0.65 and $0.75 in terms of paid out claims for every dollar we pay them in premiums. For each of those three years, we started out with between 20% and 30% in terms of an initial annual renewal for our policy - had I not been so bulldoggish over the fact they were making between 25% and 35% in terms of gross profit on our plan, we'd have been way underwater in terms of our premiums. In all three years, we were able to keep the final costs between 2% and 6% in terms of overall increases by doing what every other company out there does (shop the policy out to competitive vendors, threaten to yank the business and ultimately, give in and decrease the benefit plan richness).

This year, our costs were $0.93 in claims for every dollar paid in premiums. Because our plan is now under 100 participants, all the sudden they can no longer provide us with general information about what the causes were for the increase they proposed (which, by the way is 25% and they're not budging). My *guess* is that it's because of maternity claims - we did have significantly more female employees deliver babies this year than we've had in many past years. To my knowledge, there are no cancers, HIV or other deadly diseases on our plan that would cause costs to go up like that - but they're holding firm to "Sorry, we can't tell you what's driving up the costs because you're no longer a 'large employer'".

Since we're under 100 employees, the "Blues" told us they could offer us a plan at 49% higher than our current rates - maybe less if we'll go through individual applications for all of our employees... and InHumana declined to even quote. We're a multistate employer that is stuck with offering plans that our state Department of Insurance has approved - so that limits me, basically, to the three that we've quoted.

So this year, I get the wonderful task of informing upper management that costs will go up by 25% - while we've had to close locations and lay GOOD HARWORKING EMPLOYEES off because profits were in the tank. How do you think my employer will respond? I'll tell you how.

Cut the richness of the plan from a $1,000 deductible to a $2,000 deductible. Increase the maximum out of pocket exposure of our employees from $2,500 to $6,000... and then partially fund the remainder of the increased costs while telling them there's no money in the coffers to take care of pay increases for next year because of the increased costs of insurance. They may just say enough is enough and direct me to cancel our medical insurance - and honestly, I wouldn't blame them for doing it although it would put the screws to me and my family.

Instead of bitching, moaning and whining at EMPLOYERS, why don't you sanctimonious pieces of crap realize that until SOMEONE reigns in the insurance companies from pulling stunts like this, government HAS to step in. You morons think that not having health insurance will bankrupt families? Here's a thought. What if having it bankrupts them just as quick because neither they, nor their employers can afford it anymore. It's always easy to blame the employers when you have no idea of who truly controls what health plans are offered and what the cost of those plans are.

I'm not thrilled with PPACA (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, dubbed "Obamacare" by the ignorant and illiterate). Personally, I think it would serve the health insurance companies right if health care was nationalized. I'm ashamed of Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats in Congress for rolling over and pandering to the right wing to dilute the legislation. We needed Health Care reform - not half-measures that in the end just end up ticking everyone off.

If you need proof that the insurance companies are nothing more than petulant little children - take a look at the parts of the PPACA that have already gone into effect and how the health insurance companies have chosen to react.

Lifetime maximums (except on grandfathered plans) are gone. That just means that if you do develop a deadly disease, your health care company can't walk away after a set dollar value, revoke your policy, and tell you you're on your own. They've also been forced to allow dependent children to stay on their parents plans up through the age of 26. Take a look at what the "average" healthcare increases are for this year - it's disgusting.

People spend time arguing that it's not the governments "place" to involve themselves in health care. Perhaps police departments and fire departments should be privatized as well. I mean, it only makes sense if government should divorce themself from making sure that every American has the right to life, liberty and to pursue their happiness. And who cares if the privatized police/fire folks only respond to calls/alarms in "the right" neighborhoods. That's capitalism for you. Those who pay the most SHOULD get the best service - and if you can't afford to pay for your fair share of coverage, too bad - so sad if your house burns down.

Wake up and smell the crap you people are shoveling.

Mitt Care is the same thing!

Foreclosures are up, unemployment is up, poverty is up, inflation is up, oil prices are up, coal prices are up, gold is up, healthcare is up, bankruptsy is up, White collar crime is up...

Incomes are down, housing prices are down, property values down, Americans drowning indebt...

Good luck my fellow Americans your going to need luck. Representation for your bottom line is that you are the bottom!

We have failed our people....

Sorry you do not want more for yourself and want to give it all to the Corporations.

But give corporations who do not need anymore money, more money! WTF!

Guess that 2010 Teabag "mandate" isn't such a mandate after all?

Way to go, Ohio!

If by freedom you mean freedom from employment, that's exactly what will happen because municipalities have to meet their budget. The unions don't care about their members, as long as they have members to fill their coffers.

The friggen idiot GOP It was never a mandate...Unless it was for the two sides to work together! I would say people wanted compromise! Not obstruction

The people have spoken. Just a little taste of what to expect in 2012. Democrats rock!

The people of Ohio have voted Overwhelmingly Against Obama and ObamaCare!

Unions Rock!

dot-1589212 goes to show you (along with most American progressives) have no clue as to the nature of the type of governement the founders gave us. Its basis was NOT to compromise. The idea was that Congress was to act only when necessary and proper - and only within the limits set by the Constitution, strictly construed. Read Madison, Hamilton, Jay, Jefferson, Mason, Adams, Henry et al.

Thorndawg, really? Hadn't the unions already agreed to wage concessions? Just like in WI this wasn't about money, it was about breaking the unions because they tend to support Democrats.

Carl, you are so far off. I have read many you mention and the consensus I read is that debate was accepted in the Continental Congress, so much so that it took 13 years for them to ratify our present Constitution, 1776 to 1789. Discussions on the wording of each article had to be passed by the States, and each State had their say in the wording or compromised on another article.

Chuck - Did you notice the governor results? or anything in the last 4 years?

Mississippi Voter ID - Republicans

Kentucky governor - Democrat (though he actually stands up to Obama's agenda)

Mississippi governor - Republican (freshman vs 4th term Dem)

Virginia - "Republicans appeared headed toward a major victory"

Gumpers, you ok with me! Lead on, good man.

Nope, do not agree at all lastonehome. Not fooled at all. Do you live in Ohio? Do you know what it is like in the winter? Do you think we want to go without snow ploughs or paramedics? A Republican, calling Ohioans dumb and lazy? Ohio friends please remember that they need to learn some facts and they need a big attitude adjustment. Their failed policies and trickle down trickery is to be bypassed completely so The real folks can continue to improve our state. There are so many things to love about Ohio. YES!!! We will get the good folks back in and the coingate, voting obstructionist rightwingnut cronies out in the coming elections!!! YES!!! We can and YES we will ALL contribute toward our children's quality of life, health and education and keep improving our communities just fine just like what has always happened since the pioneer times.

Troublemakers and rip off artists can just butt out. We The People who really have to live here now want to get back to business in our communities together, having seen the threat of loss now, we are more ambitious than ever to create a come back in getting back our homes and fixing our schools, working toward our honest goals of a new and improved America in the future.

Yes, Ohioans are good people and they have their eyes open now. They have voted true blue to protect what is theirs and the whole world is watching them collectively do what they have always done well, as equals, knowing each life is precious, they are striving to maintain and to gain a good life in the real world. There are now many neighbors who can go back to work now that the People have voted. They can go home at night safely to rest, lovingly keeping that family house standing, that yard mowed, and as local consumers, they can continue to purchase the goods and services that keep other businesses and stores running with their employees hired and a pay check to them. Oh yes, We are happy now!

Lastonehome - actually it is what the GOP calls "job creators" that put Ohio on the unemployment line by moving manufacturing overseas. What the voters did tonight was save more neighborhoods from going down.

The health care law that was voted on in OHIO was worded funny on the ballot.
I live in Ohio and there were no advertisements either way on this issue.
All it said is " Do you support having a right to choose your own health care" or something like that.

OF COURSE! people are going to vote "YES!" No one really understood it.

EVERY single pole ( once the people are educated) support some type of Obama care ( if it isn't actually called "obama care" in the pole)

We are tired of health insurance companies being able to deny our children and our families benefits due to pre-exsisting conditions. We are tired of such a big part of our pay checks going to health insurance every single month. Many, many, people support the obama plan if you don't tell them it belongs to Obama.

Culturally Ohio is a very interesting place. Northeast Ohio is like the East Coast, Southern Ohio is like the southern bbible belt ( they even have a cute accent)and Western Ohio is much like the mid-west. The one thing that unites all Ohioans is that they tend to be pragmatic and well educated. They believe in hard work and despise being to be lied to. The republican party in office at the State level has lied over and over and they must now realize their time is up.

Anonymous Insight and what are you going to do for money? At least grandma knows what part of the problem is and those good jobs are not coming back. The state is almost bankrupt. Have you seen the unemployment growth in the last six months. Now you are paid by the government and you probably belong to a union and you figure that the spigot can't be turned off. Well your Ohio state bonds are down in value. Interest payments are up, jobs have to be cut and you and the rest of you people were lazy and dumb in not watching the money flowing out and worrying how it was going to be repaid. You got great benefits while the govt borrowed money but that's over. You got to live well below your means. Besides the increased taxes and interest payments you got to pay back the principle on the loan. Billions and billions of dollars and you just closed off one option. You declared yourselves a special spoiled class of workers that rules don't apply to. And you have to live off the income of the working person who doesn't have your benefits. When the economy was good and you goofed off, thinking there was no end to the cash cow and you got the union to do the dirty work for you, you held up the state and now that the piper wants to be paid, you cry poor me.

You elected republicans to fix the budget problem and then ham string them, what ever happens to you and your state you and your state deserve it. Hey! Recall the republican governor and put in a democrat and then you can bitch about him when he tries the same thing. You don't have to be from Ohio to see extremely unintelligent people do dumb selfish, self centered things and know it.

My advise to the conservatives:

You didn't win any supporters calling middle class workers "fat cats".

My consulting fee is $600/hr. It took me "three hours" to think of that. I'll send you my bill.

Yes Kallie,

We know you want everything for free. We heard you the first time and every other time you have posted. Unfortunately for you, things actually have to be paid for in this country. Maybe you should try Cuba, North Korea, China, or possibly Russia. And let us know how that works out for you.

GedePrime,

They could just raise taxes to pay for things. There is a clear pattern among republican governors though:

1) Cut taxes

2) Complain there isn't enough money to pay for everything

3) Cut services, salaries, employees, benefits, etc

They even have a name for this pattern. It's called "starve the beast." The goal is smaller government. I say, why not actually run on a platform of smaller government and not mask it in tax cuts. The direct approach will be far more efficient and cause a lot less heartache. Unless, of course, The People don't want it!

Gede: I agree with you if anybody could declare victory(it was not the partys)- it was the Union. They took advantage of Gov Kasich mistakes which were:
1 He should have excluded the emergency employees such as Police and Firemen from the law as Gov Walker was wise enough to do. and
2 He allowed the union to shape the debate, to be about union rights instead of balancing the budget.

Of course the union was also well prepared and had their people out and voting and the union spent millions of dollars in the campaign, which also helped.

If you read the entire article, it was good news for both parties. The very people that voted to restore union bargaining rights voted against Obamacare. The vote in MS is NOT a win for pro-choice, but a law written by another state that was not acceptable. Recent polls over the years have slowly shown each generation more inclined to support pro-life. On top of that, who in the world would be happy to know our country is gleeful over snuffing out life before it can begin. Our morals in this country are skewed. It seems that pro-life supporters care more about their rights, than they do protecting life.

BTW, look to Europe that is falling off a cliff. Keep in mind that Europe has had a strong union force. Do we want to use that template?

@ american 2051576. The congress is currently split sweetheart dems narrowly have the senate and the GOP has the house. Maybe some research before posting. Potus hasn't been able to do anything since the house went red anyhow. Obstructionist garbage. Only one party would sacrifice the health of the nation for political gain but if you're actually paying attention to what congress is doing (or not doing) you'd know that for yourself. It's naive, ill-informed folks like you that have sent this country spiraling. But don't take my word for it, you'll understand when your kids grow up in the United States of Georgia Pacific.

theboys,

The problem with the MS law was that it made zero exceptions. Whether you were raped, had an incestuous relationship, were raped by a relative, had an ectopic pregnancy, had horrible birth defects, or just wanted to take certain kinds of birth control. Morals are equally skewed when we force a mother to carry to term a rape baby or allow the mother and the baby to die from complications during pregnancy. Yes, these are rare cases, each comprising about 1% of pregnancies per year. But 1% is still thousands of pregnancies nationwide. Plus government legislating what goes on inside your body is just about the polar opposite of small government.

Also, Europe going over a cliff has a lot more to do with spending more than their GDP per year. And the spending was a knee-jerk reaction to an overly conservative military government.

Pragmatic -

I would gladly pay more taxes for keep safety and education. I would pay more taxes for lots of things But good luck trying to sell that one the the general public. It's a human condition to want more without giving up anything.

Vic -

You're absolutely right.

annfortruth - sorry sweety, we already know what a democratically controlled congress and a democrat in the WH has done for us. We still have slow growth, 9% unemployment, 14 million minimum long term and underemployed workers

Lol "we still have slow growth" - oh you mean in comparison to the economic freefall previously? Lol. Really... you're going to complain about slow growth in a world economic crisis?

I swear, if it's not growing - it's Obama's fault. If it is growing, it's not growing fast enough. If it's growing fast, it's too fast. If it's just perfect, perfection is not ideal.

Seriously... *facepalm*

The problem with the MS law was that it made zero exceptions.

Historical precedent is quite clear that when a nation applies strict religious morality and values - the only thing that results is a far more vile and twisted immorality than any sort of 'immoral behaviour' America now contends with.

Recent polls over the years have slowly shown each generation more inclined to support pro-life.

Show me these polls or I call bullsh*t.

Anne for trust-democ-RATS are just what the name says-a bunch of vernon

I think you mean 'vermin' -

sad....

What a twisted story. There were 2 issues , one to limit unions the other, issue 3 to reject Obama care. The unions bought the votes for issue 2. Issue 3 was a beat down 66% to 34% to reject the pinheaded health care bill. I think is was a good day for the tea party.

And here's what the Gestapo, Rethuglican, Gov. Scott of FL is doing to his State while taking the people back to the Dark Ages by using a whip. The following is an e-mail message from Senator Bill Nelson to his constituents on Nov. 8, 2011.

Dear Friends,

The right to vote is, and always has been, at the foundation of our democracy. But this fundamental right is under serious attack right now, in Florida and more than a dozen other states. Many believe a handful of super-rich conservative activists are behind an orchestrated effort to keep millions of seniors, younger voters and minorities from casting ballots next year.

Whether or not that’s true, a civics teacher at New Smyrna Beach High School in Florida was on the receiving end of just such an attack last month. The teacher, Jill Cicciarelli, ran afoul of Florida’s new election law while helping some of her students pre-register to vote.

I have met with her and some of her students, and it’s no surprise they’re not happy with the state’s new voting law. Neither is their local supervisor of elections, who under the law was required to report them to state authorities. Volusia County Supervisor of Elections Ann McFall says parts of the law are egregious and unenforceable.

So, it’s not just me who thinks this law is aimed at suppressing the vote. Look at what informed editorial writers have also had to say: The Orlando Sentinel said the new law “amounts to… ripping apart election laws” and “weakening democracy.” The Tampa Tribune said this bill “isn't fooling anybody. It's not about clean elections.” And Florida Today called it an “assault on the most cherished of American rights.”

In a nutshell, the Florida law reduces the number of days for early voting from 14 to eight and exposes people who register others to vote to harsh penalties even for innocent mistakes. That’s why the widely respected League of Women Voters has abandoned its voter registration drives in Florida after 72 years.

I wrote Gov. Rick Scott a letter last month asking him to support a revamping or repeal of the law. I also wrote U.S. Sen. Richard Durbin, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, to ask that we conduct a congressional investigation to see if Florida’s law was part of a plan that led to similar voting law changes in more than a dozen other states this year. And I have asked the Justice Department to look into who’s behind these changes.

Please share this note with all of your friends, family and colleagues. Regardless of your political party, I hope you’ll join me in trying to protect everybody’s right to vote.

Thanks for getting involved,

Bill Nelson

and maine overturned a republican backed law that banned same day voting registration. and several republicans around the country were recalled. and incumbent and author of az sb1070 russel pearce lost his primary.

this is what happens when people start paying attention.

2012 cannot come soon enough.

Big message to the Republicans, Wall Street, the Koch Bros, TP's. People are not going to GO for your hateful agenda's. I can't wait for 2012 elections. The REAL America has spoken.

ROY WILSON-336103

Big victory for the Democrats?????????????

Let's look at the results;

Ohio – A net wash on two local issues

Democrats (unions) win vote on restrictions on unions.

Republicans win vote on rejection of Obamacare.

Virginia – A big gain for Republicans

Republicans take over control of the Senate, for full control of both Houses & Governor, and several more seats in their Legislature.

Mississippi –

A Republican wins the race for Governor.

The Democrats win a local issue on abortion rights.

The Republicans win a local issue on property rights.

Kentucky -

A Democrat wins the race for Governor.

Arizona -

A moderate Republican replaces a hard-line Republican for State Senate.

Illinois -

A Republican wins an important State Senate seat from an incumbent Democrat.

Maine -

Democrats win a local issue on voter day registration.

Offhand, I'd say the results were 'mixed', but the win for Republicans in Virginia was more important than the results in Ohio. Gee, I wonder if FRs 'analysis' might be a little biased?

Hate Filled? i'm not sure.. but Childish DEFINITELY! You're 50? You talk like my SEVEN YEAR OLD!

Demo-Rats? That's the best you can come up with? What's next?, calling Democrats Doody-Heads? Itchy Butts? Meanie-Faces?

Nifty Fifty

Chuck-so all Republicans are fill with hate? Hmm what about you posting this hateful comment? A typical demo-RAT response. Just like the furry garbage grabby goons looney libs tend to be. You suck.

By the way - I have developed my own Model for the 2012 Presidential Election, based on the demographic voting patterns of the 2008 election - adjusted for the current demographics based on current polls, and the results are dismal for Obama.

If the election was held today, Obama would lose to McCain by a margin of 54% McCain and 45% Obama.

The biggest changes would be a dramatic 6% drop in voters who identify with Democrats (from 39% in 2008 to 33% now) and a 7% drop for Obama among Independents (based on current polls).

It could be even worse for Obama if the Republicans nominate Marco Rubio for VP, which would result in another 1% gain for Republicans because of the Hispanic vote, and another 0.8% drop for Obama if the young people return to their normal voting patterns (No more 'Hope & Change').

It's unlikely that the economy/jobs will improve enough to change the current picture in the next 12 months.

Offhand, it looks like Obama is the current version of Jimmy Carter.

in Ohio, the overwhelming vote Against Obamacare, against Obama-- is a bigger deal than the union vote.

The unions didn't win anything in Ohio, they just kept the status quo.

Actually, unions bit off their nose to spite their face. They'll keep their collective bargaining, but that means teachers, firefighters, police, etc. will have Lay-offs.

Ohio only has so much Taxpayer dollars. We tried to tell them its not about politics at all, its about

the limited amount of taxpayer dollars.

Ohio taxpayers are getting fed-up paying public employees to have better benefits and pensions than they have.... to the point that they will move out of Ohio; their kids will move out of Ohio, their relatives will move out of Ohio.

Then union employees will be stuck paying for union benefits and pensions.

Hear it yet? I already hear the sucking sound as companies prepare to permanently leave the state of Ohio because they cannot afford to stay. They are going the way of NCR, which moved their headquarters to Georgia. That represents 2120 jobs lost, the tax base lost from those jobs, probably over 1000 homes put on the market.

You asked for it Ohio, and you are going to get more of the same. Its sad because I am from Ohio and now live in Georgia. Ohio is a great state. Its sad that the unions have taken control and are destroying the state.

Parading GOP victories in Mississippi and Virginia isn't saying much. Just an FYI.

We in Ohio rejected the forced participation in Obama's health care plan due to the hidden 3.8% sales tax on any home sold. That would be $7,400 on a $200k home. If you inherited a home from your parents...same tax. I'm for a public option, but ramming it home without discussion is not in Ohio's majoritys' interests... The realtors didn't want it and neither did we...

The elitist attitudes of the teapublicans in response to this vote is just cracking me up. "Well now all you workers have really screwed yourselves and your economy is going to tank!" Yeah...cuz it wasn't nearly tanked already by corporate and Wall Street fat cats who gambled with the workers' money and LOST. Yeah...keep in mind that all of those mortgages that got bundled and sold, and re-sold...they were the mortgages of WORKING people. I find it incredulous that people would demonize middle class workers for wanting to maintain their pensions after YEARS of hard work, but have no problem at all with bank CEOs getting million dollar bonuses after nearly tanking the economy and having to be bailed out by taxpayers, or insurance company executives getting huge bonuses for their hard work at finding new ways to deny health care benefits to average workers. And you have the nerve to call liberals "elitists"? What a joke.

Here are the election results;

Republicans pick up 6 House seats and 2 Senate seats in Virginia – giving them total control in State.

Republicans win 1 Governorship (Mississippi).

Democrats win 1 Governorship (Kentucky).

Republicans win important Senate seat in Illinois.

Republicans win 2 local initiatives (Obamacare in Ohio, Property Rights in Mississippi).

Democrats win 3 local initiatives (Union rights in Ohio, Birth ID in Mississippi, Voter registration in Maine).

That's a net gain of 9 State offices for Republicans, none for Democrats, and a net of 1 initiative for Democrats. This is a huge win for Democrats?????????????????

Thanks for the laugh FR. May the Democrats fare equally well in 2012.

paul-440967 "Actually, unions bit off their nose to spite their face. They'll keep their collective bargaining, but that means teachers, firefighters, police, etc. will have Lay-offs."

Very true - By voting to retain the expensive union pensions in Ohio, local governments will have to lay-off workers to balance their budgets.

carl-1506841

dot-1589212 goes to show you (along with most American progressives) have no clue as to the nature of the type of governement the founders gave us. Its basis was NOT to compromise. The idea was that Congress was to act only when necessary and proper - and only within the limits set by the Constitution, strictly construed. Read Madison, Hamilton, Jay, Jefferson, Mason, Adams, Henry et al.

Carl, the articles in the Constitution are not set in stone. Nor are they the beginning and ending of U.S. Law. They are a framework for the passage of laws. As to there being no basis for compromise, the Constitution was compromised from the very beginning. The slaves states insisted on a way to count slaves as seperate but equal persons in the census. One delegate abstained rather then vote to ratify it. The founders knew it was an imperfect document from the beginning. That is why they setup a way to pass laws short of a constitutional amendment.

To disagree with me is fine Carl. To imply that I don't understand how government is supposed to work, simply because I embrace a progressive point of view as a center left moderate is not. Any time you attack the knowledge of someone simply because they disgree with you, the arguement is already lost.

How the heck did you get off my mute list Roy? Did you setup a new account? Well after reading #3.45 back you go.

Ones side speaks with facts the other through emotions and slander, doesn't take a genius to know what side I'm on, nice jobs with all your venom and hate, I hope these are qualities you will teach you child.. .me I teach respect, not much of that here, it's like a waiting pool of entitled 14 yr olds being cheered on by sidelining soccer parents.. .

Anybody living in Ohio that is a non-public-union working stiff making 50K or more - you need to get the heck out of there NOW. You are a target. Independent financial success is now considered immoral and punishable.

McInCA,

Independent financial success is now considered immoral and punishable.

You're right. Just look at these boards pointing the finger at people who work hard to make the money they do, only to be lumped in with what society calls "rich" or "the 1%". People who actually work hard to become well-off are the new terrorists.

If you were to propose that senior and more than two term congressional members be voted out and replaced with new members and that obama vacate the WH voluntarily prior to the first of the year, America might have a chance.

Really? We just had a bunch of inexperienced Tpublicans elected to the House...hasn't worked out incredibly well has it.

yes it is working ,....they stoped obama from spending tax money from 2072

Wade, Tampa Florida. "How the heck did you get off my mute list Roy? Did you setup a new account?"

No, same old account, and same 'thorn in your side'. lol

Don't read too much into Issue 2 losing, especially because issue 3 passed by a strong margin. Here in the ground here is what happened.

The union had one issue and one issue alone. The legislation had taken away their right to negotiate quantiies of teacher, fire and police. This issue they pounded on incessantly for two months using in excess of 3 times the amount of funds, provided by unions, than what the supporters could muster.

Just over half of all school levies failed in NEO. Most of those school levies that passed were renewals. One school district had been trying for years to get a levy increasing taxes finally got one. What happens when levies fail - teachers and other staff get laid off.

The question is why do schools need levies increasing taxes. Here's what is currently going on. The state to balance it's budget made cuts to the increases in funding. These are advertised as cuts to funding - ASSUMING that they are cutting the existing. Next are energy costs - but that has been stable this year. Some are from building new schools, but most of these school rebuilding programs are beginning to wind down. The last is personnel costs. Wages are increasing, but the real cost increases have come from negotiated pension and healthcare costs. I've seen information showing that in 1988 personnel costs in schools cost just over 50% (when negotiating benefit levels became legal for public employees) to approaching 80% of Ohio Schools budgets. The fact is that benefit levels increased to just above the average ohio employee rate to 43% higher than the average ohio employee. The run-away pensions is the #1 reason why schools are constantly asking for tax increases. These FACTS plus decreasing public school enrollment are why teachers are being laid off.

Whether Ohioans voted for or against issue 2, the odds are that teachers were going to be laid off. To think that the Union having the power to negotiate teacher numbers to significantly stop layoffs is nearly laughable. The truth is the benefits continuing to increase above those of average person is going to cause far more teachers, police and fire to be laid off. The bottom line is if you can't afford to pay for them, you have to lay some off.

Remember, Michigan and Missouri instituted similar legislation. They went from laying off massive amounts of teachers to laying off very few, if any, and many districts then were able to afford to hire more teachers for a net gain in teachers.

When Issue 2 failed last night, so did akron Public School's levy, which was to replace what litte the state did decrease aid and cover increases in benefits and salaries. There may not be an immediate lay-off because they will try again in the spring. If the levy fails again then, teachers will be cut.

Statewide when issue 2 failed the increased burden to local governments is estimated to be $66 Million dollars, when they cannot get the public to increase taxes - say good by to a few more policemen, firement, and teachers. Sorry, but the truth really hurts - doesn't it.

GedePrime-548136 "McInCA, Independent financial success is now considered immoral and punishable.....You're right. Just look at these boards pointing the finger at people who work hard to make the money they do, only to be lumped in with what society calls "rich" or "the 1%". People who actually work hard to become well-off are the new terrorists."

How true. Perhaps people should read the book "Atlas Shrugged" - it seems very appropriate now.

The pertinent summary of the book is; 'In the world of Atlas Shrugged, society stagnates when independent productive achievers are socially demonized and even punished for their accomplishments'.

Sound strangely familiar, like 'Class Warfare'?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I just love MSN. The Democrats won everything!!! Except right at the end a couple of fleeting sentences to say that the Republicans gained also. HA!!

Love the Photo ID voter registrations cards and you should have to have a state ID to get that!!!!! NAACP is already hammering that. Saw it on the TV this morning.

To all you Socialist Dem's you can buy citizenship to Greece and Italy, Do not laugh we are next.. . have

It puts the union lotion on its skin!

Re: old Aynie: Yes, I have read that book about three times and then went on to study about a hundred other social theorists...perhaps you should too. Atlas shrugged and it seems as if the Fountainhead went down on 9/11. What it does mean is that the haves, the doers, the CEO's, etc., can also go on strike...yeah we know for fifty years now. Get all the money, run away and hide, and cause a revolution. What goes around comes around.

But it's not going to work because there are other grown ups who know more and because your man Laissez faire Greenspan shrugged his shoulders on TV and told us all with a smile, that he guessed his theory did not work in actually running a real country budget after all...then he walked off the stage and retired. The truth is facts in the real world, not a fantasy, a novel, an ideology. What works works. The world ended as we knew it that day, but not many noticed or understood the deep meaning of what had happened. He had allowed everything to run away with no checks or balances following his "theory", and the bottom fell out.

It is not really very smart to experiment with an entire country of humans to see if your theory works...if you have a hunch, no no - holding that job was not like doing some experiment or following a whim. The person in charge should have known for sure what he was doing and others should have known why they hired him. So it was one man and his judgement, his opinion, holding a post that affected the entire economy. And we also know now, that it just does not work. Checks and balances are necessary, if the military industrial hob nobbing is too strong the only check is government oversight, intervention and correction - For The People. Of course you know that all of this credit and notes of tender etc., is based on real wealth, and what is that? It is from precious natural and living human resources. Remember the novel We the Living? Well there you have it, all right there by Aynie, working it out about her personal bad times in Russia on the analyst's couch.

So, now we know what happens when Atlas shrugs and it is not very nice for the little guys. However, they will recover. There is hope and time. You see, there are lots and lots of little guys and they still need to run their shops in every little town and village anyway because people still need things. Trade is trade, and money is still a medium of exchange and a note of credit as it has always been.

As before in history, there is currently a trend to get rich on interest, yes, there is a lot of usury in practice lately but I guess those who are running wild with it forgot about what happened before. Ooops looks like we get to start all over after the big crash...trading with our own new items and notes of credit again. Did you read, by the way, that story about a guy named Jacques de Molay who got roasted by King Phillipe Le Belle one day when he did that usury thing to France? ... and to think they even called themselves Knights of Christ. Oh well, you can afford to go fly a plane to your hidden valley or to your new space station, and read novels for awhile, and really, the rest of us can do just fine without you in our little everyday world.

Oh yes, there's a really good book, titled "Stark"...if you can find it do order it online for your ipad or kindle, its a really good read in addition to Atlas Shrugged. It has taken me about a half hour to compose this therapeutic instruction for you. I charge three thousand per hour, and that would be a $1500. fee for your attitudinal shifting session today, but I am in a charitable mood, snicker snicker.

lastonehome: I will simply repeat Wade's words above regarding your reply: "To imply that I don't understand how government is supposed to work, simply because I embrace a progressive point of view as a center left moderate is not. Any time you attack the knowledge of someone simply because they disgree with you, the arguement is already lost."

None of what you ranted about has anything to do with me and you implied pretty much all of it. You were addressing a general audience there. I can only say there is some envy from the private sector due to a lack of benefits. The big picture is simply that the cost of living has outstripped the level of income for years now forcing folks to use the plastic money. If something works it works. Perhaps you could learn from the history of the Unions and the workers of the USA about workers rights and keeping cost of living and wages in balance honestly and ethically. Why do you not bargain with your boss or find a way to create a better profit in your own business? Now that is taking personal responsibility.

There are different kinds of businesses and they do not all follow the same patterns of being entrepeneurships. Hospitals for the sick and schools for the children exist due to local necessity, not luxury. The same goes with many public works and our emergency and protective services. Some things go beyond the market, are not even of the market, and the right to life is a community issue that is beyond and prior to partisan bickering. With all trade and commerce, it takes a village and the daily needs go on. So as old Aynie would say, "Check your premises".

Roy Wilson, PJAM. I disagree with you so completely I have muted your posts many times. And yet after a few days I can read them again. I put you back on mute. If you have the ability to unmute yourselves please do not. If I can read your posts a week from now, I will insist NEWS VINE look into the matter.

For the record PJAM, Roy, I think you have found a way to undo being put on mute status. I can not prove it. Just stop doing if you can. If you disagree with my posts that much, PUT ME ON MUTE. News Vine staff, I contacted you twice on this issue. Forget the civil offer I made in my last post. PJAM, Roy, you have nothing to say I want to read.

Please look into the possibility that PJAM09 and Roy Wilson-336103 can over ride mute settings, and have shared that ability as I suspect with others.

Ohio voters voted overwhelmingly Against ObamaCare mandate. Not good for Obama or Democrats.....

Not surprising really...given the prevalent mood of "stop trying too interfere in my life" and "stop trying trying to make the little guy pay for the excesses of the 1%". Obama and the Dems indeed have something to learn from these voters as well - stand up for the 99% and you'll get our votes, keep kowtowing to the 1% the right wing extremists and you won't.

When public employees are laid off because the municipalities couldn't meet the budget due to union demands, they'll be wishing issue 2 would have passed.

When public employees are laid off because the municipalities couldn't meet the budget due to union demands, they'll be wishing issue 2 would have passed.

Same old same old right wing spin...try blaming the multimillion tax giveaways to corporations and the Wall St caused recession or even the historically low tax rates in general. The majority of people just aren't buying that crap anymore as the votes tonight soundly proved.

Wow, you libs really don't understand the issues do you? You just like to demogouge Wall St. or other "slogans" that you clearly don't understand. Municipalities are crumbling on overextension of pension and other benefits to public employees - its a pure fact. And these rich "private" employees don't enjoy the same benefits at all - and no one in the private sector has collective bargaining rights - it's "at will " employment. Why should some paper pusher in a City Hall have "collective bargaining rights" to extort union dues to pay off politicians? There is no public need for that.

All of the higher taxes I have to pay in California just go to pay someones retirement from the public sector - but I don't get that benefit - so why should that be? Why should 90% of the electorate be taxed higher so that public employees get to live high on the hog and enjoy benefits and bargaining priviledges that others don't. It doesn't make any sense. And Ohio has just shown it doesn't have any either.

culheath - "Reality check..."

Did you even read past the liberal headline?

Ohio union leeching on taxpayers : Democrats

Election Day voter registration : Democrats

Initiative 26 - "Both the Republican and Democratic candidates for governor had backed the measure." : No winner

Mississippi Voter ID - : Republicans

Kentucky governor - Democrat (though he actually stands up to Obama's agenda)

Mississippi governor - Republican

Virginia - "Republicans appeared headed toward a major victory"

This is the Democrats "Big Win" - bankrupting Ohio, election Day voter registration, and re-electing a "Democrat" governor who doesn't tow the party line?

Rock, some of your taxes and all your investment fees, pension fees, bank fees, home loan fees, credit fees, car loan fees are payed to WallStreet firms who pay exorbatant wages and benefits, and carry a $70 trillion debt in derivitives and hedge funds. Why did we hear about the need for at bank/financial bail-out after the fact, even though Moody and other private research gave these firms/banks a great rating? Because the Banks and Moody wanted to protect their investors and themselves. Don't be fooled again, is all I can say.

You like cutting your throat and your neighbors? Who do you think were paid all those deficit dollars and who has to make it up. "YOU DO!"

lastonetothecathowse, so the working man SHOULD do it YOUR way -and have their income and lives whittled away bit by bit in a race to the bottom, in lieu of YOUR forgone apocalyptic collapse if they demand their right to bargain, eh?

When I see the rich jetting out of this country because of "UNIONISM", Pigs will fly!

Keep yapping Rover, we have leashes.

You let it be built up artificially not me. Your car depreciates. You were lazy and dumb not to stop the crazy spending and not recalling the politicians and making wise decisions. After all the politicians work for you. So you let them spend and borrow and now it is time to pay for all the good times. You got a better idea, let me hear it. All I hear is sound and fury.

Unions are gone. Look at the figures. By the time you are 40 your take home pay is the same if you are in a union or not. The only thing you did was make union and mafia bosses rich with your dues. Just don't expect to see money in the trust or pension plan. I doubt if you ask to see the books you will get out of the union hall alive.

You just don't get, the Unions AGREED to Ohio's Gov demand, its all about power, not the Unions. The Unions are the ones who set the wages in this country, and the way I see, we need them now more than ever. Look at the jobs that are out their now, very low wages with little to no benefits, safety issues, employees getting fired for the most ridiculous reasons. The Unions are not the problem, it's Corporate America and their greed. All we want is to work, earn a descent living, is that too much to ask for?

Uh, Bob and Mark - my "taxes" don't go to "Wall Street firms" to pay for "derivatives". What parallel reality do you live in? My taxes go to pay pension of teachers who can't teach, retirements for public sector workers who can't add and tons and tons of liberal belly-aching programs that are not needed - at least not at the rate we are going. You have been sold a bill of goods and because you apparently have not been able to graduate from high school you have little ability to comprehend it.

Good luck with your dying state Ohio and say hello to massive layoffs and higher taxes. And by the way the Buckeyes suck too.

I just want to see how many of you GOP supporters change your tune when you realize the GOP is about to trade your mortgage interest deductions for a <very> limited tax increase on the wealthy with a cap on any other increases for THEM.

They are picking your pockets <again> and you are thanking them. You better hope the Dems win it all.

Laura explain how corporate America which provides the country with millions of jobs and pays taxes and pays dividends through its stocks hurts America. I am patiently waiting.

Rock, *cough* the Kardashians, I am sorry California is nothing but a wasteland of greed and self righteous annoying people. If your state is broke, hey here is a thought, how about having Kim Kardashian donate that 17 million she made off making a sham of marriage. I really don't want to hear about California when other states make it work for everyone, not just the celebrities.

Good luck finding police, fireman and teachers to live in california after your done raping them to support the Kardashian empire of frivolous spending and others of their kind.

Jan-21270 the California politicians are as greedy and bad as the politicians in Ohio. They saw the money flowing in from artificially inflated house values and taxes and had to spend it. There was/is no fiscal responsibility in California as there is none in Ohio. And yes with this high unemployment and underemployment all the firemen and policemen can quit today and there will be 100 applicants for every job. No fear and at a much reduced rate of pay. You people just don't want to open your eyes and mind and understand you are all in such a big fiscal hole, you may never get out of it. And I know you don't want to understand or look at the national fiscal hole. You have no understanding of economics and are completely ignorant of how to get out of it as you offer no solutions.

Last: I do give the Ohio Governor credit for one the thing he handled well.
After the results came in, he publicly reminded every Ohio municipality to be careful with budgets and spending, because there is no more money- no stimulus on the way!

Its really hard to see places like California whining with the cesspool called LA smacking everyone in their face that is having a financially difficult time of their waste. They really need to hold the frivolous wealthy responsible for some tax, rather than balance on people who really can't afford it with the outrageous cost of living there they have created.

@cullhealth

...try blaming the multimillion tax giveaways to corporations

And I suppose you think raising taxes on them will keep them in Ohio? Remember, this is a state issue, and when taxes have to be raised to pay for your unwillingness to bring expenses within reason, someone will have to pay. The unions will push to have that go against corposations, businesses, and rich. Then these will all systematically flee Ohio for better tax structured states.

You think unemployment and economic conditions are bad in Ohio now, just wait... It can and will get much worse. I am just glad our right to work Tennessee with no state income tax will be the benficiary and landing spot for most of your businesses that flee. We will prosper from your blind allegiance to unions and lack of reason.

ABO 2012

As Ohio goes, so other states follow. Boehner must be running for the Kaopectate about now. Remember what Republicans threw in the faces of their oponents in 2010 when the GOP took the House and they claimed it reflected the anger at President Obama?

Which of the GOP hotchas will step up to the plate in 2011 and admit that voters are angry with Republicans? They had a year to implement a jobs creation program. None is forthcoming. They've wasted 3 years trying to rip this administration apart and now in 2011....THE PEOPLE have spoken. Suck it up and get over yourselves.

Just keep on thinking the way most of you from Ohio are posting and you will see what few blue collar jobs you have left exit through the Southern door. When I lived in Dayton it was a blue collar town with jobs galore, however Frigidaire, McCalls, NCR, Dayton Tire, Nabisco, Standard Register, Chrysler Airtemp, and a hand ful of General Motors plants all gone it is ghost city where all those plants were. It seems that you and Detroit would wake up and smell the roses. Labor and Management is a two way street. When one or the other gets the upper hand the result is disastrous for the business

cul hehe, you need to get off the computer and got to work, and did you read the article, ... would you give up yours because I have less by choice, I choose my path, my career, I'm 49yrs. old and I made $26,000 last year AND DONATE 10% to my charitable causes, I Don't want anyone to tell me what to do with my money and I do not want yours.. .if I need more money I will go out and earn it, please quit blaming everyone and taking sides based on your life through your own eyes, if you sold your house? are you going to sell to the imigrant family of 6 and give them a 28% discount because they work really hard or are you going to sell to whom ever with the highest bid, really!

ewent, they got one seat. One! The republicans got, what was it like 40 during the elections you are speaking of?

Last one home...how is your home doing?

"You people just don't want to open your eyes and mind and understand you are all in such a big fiscal hole, lazy and dumb...no solutions, etc. etc." ???

Perhaps you should try going through that hole and live down in the basement for awhile. You may even decide to call the basement doctor. It could be fun and full of surprises.

Sure like to tell people they are lazy and dumb, who taught you how to be so punitive? Does it feel good to be so authoritarian? Do you listen to the radio a lot? No need to respond, one just wonders where you got all this from?

I hope you like your Pink Slip in the morning then. BTW - ONLY the UNION THUGS Bothered to VOTE -- 750,000 out of 11.4 million is pretty piss poor election results! Guess the Taxpayers were already packing to leave Ohio and didn't bother to vote!

sziker, if what you say is true, what does that say about your right-wing comrades? Really patriotic not voting, huh? Also, I'm pretty sure the "union thugs" you speak of pay plenty in taxes. So the "union thugs" pay their taxes AND vote. Sounds pretty American to me.

And a lose for the citizens of Ohio and the American taxpayers.

Go to your local pub, order a beer, hand it to a Union Man so he can spritz in it and hand it back to you.

I love people who get drunk on a little power. Put brain in gear before opening mouth. How is Ohio going to close a 10 billion dollar deficit and keep it closed. A lot of rhetoric and no ideas or thoughts. Most big mouths have the same disease foot in mouth disease.

Unions built the middle-class... 30 years of union-busting has gotten us stagnant wages for the working class and ever-rising, record-breaking profits and obscene bonuses for big business. The corporations have stripped our nation of manufacturing jobs so they can go to third world countries, pay slave wages, pollute at will, and shirk their responsibility to pay taxes...

Americans have always rooted for the underdog... the" little guys". Now Republicons have painted the little guys as villains... lazy, shiftless no-good spongers looking for a government handout, and the wealthiest individuals and corporations as victims to be pitied and coddled and kow-towed to.

What kind of madness is that?

"Put brain in gear before opening mouth. How is Ohio going to close a 10 billion dollar deficit and keep it closed. A lot of rhetoric and no ideas or thoughts"

There are NO fat cats in Ohio, living off the working man, EH? Rioght!

A lot of noise but no plans to pay for the deficit and loans that you got to improve your life. You do know that the state bonds have to be repaid with part of your taxes and the interest on those bonds are going up this month because of the vote. And you knowingly allowed your future to be mortgaged. A lot of services and jobs are going to have to be cut. Are you glad you put your neighbor on the unemployment line?

When right-wingers pout, an angel gets his wings. Suck it up, kids, and learn what most of us already know: The "job creators" aren't, and they certainly aren't your big pals.

Future Tax Hikes In The Works In Proposed Jobs Plan

The jobs stimulus plan that President Barack Obama has put forth as a solution to the nation’s economic woes contains tax increases that begin in 2013, and may continue to last through the rest of the decade, according to The Washington Times.

After the White House submitted the bill to Congress on Monday, many Republican leaders noted that although the plan cuts taxes in the next couple of years. The measures are funded by raising taxes by more than $448 billion over the rest of the decade, reported the newspaper.

“This would literally be tax and spend. That’s what this is — literally raise $450 billion and spend it,” Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office who now runs the American Action Forum, told the Times. “It’s one thing to say they’re paid for. It’s another thing to say I’m going to spend it now and pay for it after the election.”

The initial proposal was well received, as a broad measure, but after the fine print of the legislation was examined, the tax hikes for wealthy Americans after 2013 came into light, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Unions did not "build" the middle class - union membership has never been higher than 30-something % - so how could it build the middle class. The industrial revolution, a free market, the US selling goods to developing countries and our success in the economy after WWII built the middle class. Wake up people you are being lied to. Unions IMPEDE job growth, it doesn't build it.

rock-head, "the US selling goods to developing countries..."and "after WWII". Pretty significant, that after WWII! Other than Solar Turbines and CatapillarTractors, what do we sell overseas now?

We import garbage from China, that is what corporate America does.

Beware you Regress-tards, watch the economy when the soldiers leave Iraq, transfer to the National Gaurd and close the borders! Watch that economy zoom!

Rock, you are mistaken. Even companies who were not unionized still had to take better care of their employees if they didn't want them to form a union. Employees that were not part of a union benefited from the unions as well.

Now after 30 years of concentrated effort break the unions by the corporate overlords and the 1/10 of 1% who are seeing all the profit of the workers labor, the middle class is dying, and so is our economy.

It is in truth the top 1/10 of 1% who have killed the golden goose. Because instead of helping to make sure that people who work hard for a living receive a share of the profits, the investor class has taken the approach of , "I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now"

sziker

I hope you like your Pink Slip in the morning then. BTW - ONLY the UNION THUGS Bothered to VOTE -- 750,000 out of 11.4 million is pretty piss poor election results!

Well, children can't vote in the US so you're going to have to lop off several million from that figure of 11.4 million. More people should have come out to vote though.

What kind of madness is that?

It's madness that has been going on since.... well... forever. Demonize the peons, the workers, the academics, the poor. Put the rich, the royalty, and the clergy on a pedestal. I suppose in hopes that they will 'trickle down' on you.

A country is supported by its base.

Same thing, different era.

Right, we certainly wouldn't want to support the rights of an innocent unborn child. They would only become a burden on society and none of them would ever grow into something worthwhile anyway.

we certainly wouldn't want to support the rights of an innocent unborn child.

Maybe the anti-abortion crowd could show some support for the already-born innocent children. Conservatives are hell-bent on denying healthcare to the poor in this country. How does a woman afford prenatal care, or the cost of delivering a baby if she doesn't have insurance or an adequate income? and how does that parent care for a child's medical needs that arise over the years? How does a woman prevent a pregnancy if contraceptives are forbidden under a law like the one Mississippi tried to pass?

The stupid initiative in Mississippi was opposed by pro-life factions down there. Too extreme, even for them...

A lot of noise but no plans to pay for the deficit and loans that you got to improve your life.

I have an idea.. how about the big banks who got 0% interest loans from US to "improve their lives" show some gratitude for the rescue by giving us some loans at 0% interest? How about they stop putting people on the streets with their runaway foreclosures?

Looks like that having the cops beat the people in the streets worked against them!

What makes you think that?

Reality;

Ohio union leeching on taxpayers : Democrats

Election Day voter registration : Democrats

Initiative 26 - "Both the Republican and Democratic candidates for governor had backed the measure." : No winner

Mississippi Voter ID - Republicans

Kentucky governor - Democrat (though he actually stands up to Obama's agenda)

Mississippi governor - Republican (freshman vs 4th term Dem)

Virginia - "Republicans appeared headed toward a major victory"

This is the Democrats "Big Win" - bankrupting Ohio, election Day voter registration, and re-electing a "Democrat" governor who doesn't tow the party line?

LOL...are you really using MS and VA as big GOP wins? Yeah, those republican wins in those states were a huge surprise

Scott - Considering that MS had a Dem governor for the last 3 TERMS AND VA had a DEMOCRAT controlled Senate until today... Yes it a reversal of where their support used to be.

But otherwise your comment is really meaningful. (sarcasm)

Don't let the facts ruin your liberal headline-based "victory" party.

And you have no idea how to balance a budget, provide jobs and keep Ohio's increasing unemployment from further increasing. You also have no idea how to stop Ohio's bond rating from decreasing further. When Ohio needed money to pay for all the luxuries you have, it had to borrow money and now it has to pay it back through the bonds it issued. This week because of the vote the bond rating is going down and that means the interest rate that the State of Ohio pays increases. That means the state income for services and salaries goes down due to the increased interest rates. You happy now?

pjam09....Haley Barbour has been the Gov of ms for the past 8 years. Very much a republican, as a matter of fact he was once head of the RNC. MS has not elected a dem governor since 1988. That term ended in Jan of 1992. It has been all Repub the past 20 years. I'm not trying to give you a hard time...just check your facts. I grew up in Louisiana and lived in Mississippi for 8 years. All I am saying is that there is no big surprises in MS

Thanks Scott "Haley Barbour has been the Gov of ms for the past 8 years" Beat me to it.

Aren't yew jest impressed wif how well them two BOYS talk,

(the one wif th' PJammies and lastonetothecathows), they has profile bin to collige, you think?

scott labels you are using are as ridiculous as you are. Ben Franklin repeated this. I believe it was first said by a Roman 2-3 thousand years ago. 1/3 of the electorate will always vote liberal, 1/3 of the electorate will always vote conservative and 1/3 of the electorate are independent and the fight for any politician or issue will always come down to that 1/3.

Now liberal and conservative are values not parties. And as you didn't know that your comment is valueless but has to be answered so people know how little education you really have and how little value your comment has.

pj,

Republican Phil Bryant has won the Mississippi governor's race, succeeding term-limited Haley Barbour.

He defeated Democrat Johnny DuPree on Tuesday.

The Republican governor that won ran against Haley Barbour, his own party affiliate, because he disagreed with the Barbour's immigration law. Your party seems to be experiencing a lot of in house fighting. That's not a good sign. Why don't you just accept defeat and tip your hat to the left. You're beginning to sound like a sore loser.

lastonehome..

And you have no idea how to balance a budget, provide jobs and keep Ohio's increasing unemployment from further increasing

Perhaps if Kasich, and other Republican governors, weren't Stuck on Stupid and quit thinking that sprinkling magic fairy dust on corporations and the wealthy is going fix something...

From March 2011

In his new budget proposal, Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich calls for
extending a generous 21 percent cut in state income taxes. The measure was
originally part of a sweeping 2005 tax overhaul that abolished the state
corporate income tax and phased out a business property tax.

The tax cuts were supposed to stimulate Ohio's economy and create jobs. But
that never happened once the economy tanked. Instead, the changes ended up
costing Ohio more than $2 billion a year in lost tax revenue; money that would
go a long way toward closing the state's $8 billion budget gap for fiscal year
2012.

"At least half of our current budget problem is a direct result of the tax
changes we made in 2005. A lot of people don't want to hear that, but that's the
reality. Much of our pain is self-inflicted," said Zach Schiller, research
director at Policy Matters

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/28/111161/states-broke-maybe-they-cut-taxes.html#ixzz1dBnrLQTx

Ann........ Haley Barbour could not run again because of term limits, says so in the article.

Mississippi? WOW that was a surprise. Backwards, white-trash bigots voting for a Republican. Who would have thought?

Hey Kostaniann, you are an idiot. You are not very well informed at all. You apparently don't know anything about Mississippi. Look up the history of the state and you will see that we didn't just become "republicans" overnight. Also look in your own backyard for bigots. Mississippi does not have the monopoly on that. Where I live in Mississippi there is a very diverse group of people from all over the country and the world and we are not any more backwards or bigoted than anywhere I have ever been. Right now I am sitting in a room with about 15 black men and 4 mexicans and I have no doubt that we do not have any prejudices against each other due to race.

Pjam you missed your calling. What you wrote about the unions is shear fiction. Is that what Fox news is spewing these days?

Reality reigns!! Bob.

This is the time we regain.

I appreciate your point, but we disagree. We can all move forward. Our differences are not as stark as they may seem. The best for America. There are really only slight differences.

Let's pull our efforts together to find common ground.

You know..., I've re-read your post and I'm not sure we are on opposite sides. You make a point.

Maybe, I just need some clarification on your post.

Help me understand where you stand.

This is not an argument, just a question.

Bob 188...

Our state has had two recounts in the last few years. A 80 vote lead is nothing. Get ready for the lawyers to descend on Virginia. At least the DC lawyers won't be charging travel expenses in this recount.

WHAT! NO Brooks Brothers Florida-style Rioters?

If your a liberal and your happy, and you know it clap your hands!

Where is Leona I was going to ask her to dance!

Clap clap

"clap clap"

Proud liberal here!

Clap Clap. Sanity reigns!

To HELL with clapping my hands...I'M STOMPIN' MY FEET!!!!! I'm dancing a motha lovin' jig over here!!!!

leona is probably beating her maid.

Clap Clap Stomp Stomp

I switched to Aretha New Day, Cain Cain Cain, Cain of fools. If I get my horn out and start playing along Mrs. Grump will probably call 911.

That's funny as hell Dzaffina!

I second Forrest's hearty laughter at Dzaffina's joke! Thanks,...

Clara I have been telling conservatives for a couple of months whats shaping up, they keep claiming Ameica wants us to do this, and America wants us to do that, they ignore the polls, they ignore OWS, they pretend their base alone represents America. Perfect Storm Brewing Baby.

Clap clap clap. The Republican religionists plan to station an observer at the entrance to every woman's uterus fails!

Here's a standing ovation with thunderous applause!! Seems it was a bad day to be a bagger.

I ruined it for them I told them if an illegal gets pregnant as soon as the egg is fertilized it is a US citizen, anchor embryos scared the crap out of them!

@grump:

"if your liberal and your happy"

My "what" liberal and my what happy? Can you elaborate on that please. In English, please.

@ forrest ,

"Perfect Storm Brewing Baby. "

Your really are better than my local weather man. You have been talking about the sift in voter sentiment for weeks.

Now don't rub it in tomorrow when spanky, et al show up ....

YES!!! Mississippi got it right. Good job.

Mississippi Voter ID - Republicans

Mississippi governor - Republican (freshman vs 4th term Dem)

Ha what language do you think I was typing in, this is English pal. I'm happy, I love freedom, freedom to organize if you wish, I love capitalism, you know being able to profit from your labor, that is capitalism you know being free to make as much money as you can, that's what America loves Alex, they love people who work hard and make as much money as they can for themselves. How long have you been in this country, is English your native language, if you have any more questions I would be happy to help, if I can. I think you will find that Americans are a friendly bunch, always willing to help someone out when they can.

You yokels go out and get a jug of corn liquor and have a fine olde time, when you wake up tomorrow and see the problem is worse, you can all commiserate. All you did was remove one option from the list that was available. You haven't closed the 10 billion dollar deficit but in the coming months when unemployment gets worse and tax increase talk gets worse, businesses are going to look to move and you will have to get along without that satellite dish, that cell phone, extra carton of beer, those Saturday night dinners and shorter vacations. You mortgaged your future, you got lazy and didn't watch the state spending and didn't slap the hands of your representatives. Now you have to pay the piper.

And by the way look for your state bonds' rating to decrease and the interest paid on them to increase which means less services and increased layoffs. Happy you made your neighbor unemployed?

Northstar you know Spanky will ignore all this and start right in Fast and Furious on Solyndra, or "Solargate" or Chevy Voltgate, or whatever. I'm OK with Spanky he shows up everyday and fights the good fight as he sees it, hell I guess somebody has to try and defend the 1% against the 99% and Spanky does not give up, so I kind of admire his tenacity even though we seldom agree. Spanky could give a woodpecker a headache, and I say that more as a compliment to an ideological adversary and not as a slam.

Gumpers, "...switched to Aretha New Day, ....Cain Cain Cain, Cain of fools.", I will be borrowing this bit tomorrow. Excellent stuff!

Kudos to Mississippi for not embarrassing itself with a Christian Underwear Police squad for fifty per cent or more of its population. Who was going to pay to enforce that one, anyway?

Thank You Joe, keep up the good fight brother. We got to keep this rolling right through 2012, we got a year left to inform, enlighten, unite, and register working folks and their families, first it was Wisconsin and now it is Ohio that proves once again our vote always was and still is our only weapon against formidable forces. We all have to keep our eye on changes to the registration process in each county of each state, if they want a picture ID and a long form birth certificate then that's what we need to prepare our voters for. We can do this, we did do this, remember friends don't let friends vote republican.

"Kudos to Mississippi for not embarrassing itself with a Christian Underwear Police squad for fifty per cent or more of its population. Who was going to pay to enforce that one, anyway?"

Southern Whaptist Deacons of course! Free, gratis! Jest ta serve th' LARWD! And Guard those vaginas.

By the by, I read an interesting article about a strange condition effecting these deacons.

A SUDDEN, SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS!

According to the scientists who studied this occurrence, it only happens in SPECIFIC LOCALS.

And ONLY if there are two or more Whaptist deacons in the vicinity.

They studied this for months, and it WAS repeatable every time.

The deacons would be in the aisles of a liquor store, walk past each other (though they knew each other, being from the same church), with NO discernible recognition of their colleagues.

Totally selective amnesia!

The authors state that they would like to extend these studies to other arenas.

However, since the "Chicken Ranch" in Texas was shut down, it was stated that a different religion would be tested.

They will be looking at Morman Bishops frequenting the PALOMINO RANCH in Nevada

"Christian Underwear Police"

"Cain, Cain, Cain of fools..."

LMAO!!!!

Probably because all of you Ron Paul supporters are against it, even though none of you know what the federal reserve actually does. And why would a federal program be on a state initiative? "Preemption" check it out...It is also why the state initiatives re: Health care reform are always overturned....

Yeah, how dare states not try to overturn nearly 200 years of case law, everyone knows McCulloch v. Maryland wasn't all that definitive on the ability of a state to challenge the Federal Reserve.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to discuss the Federal Reserve through a dance recital...

I myself would love to see a ballet about the Federal Reserve.

Personally, I find ballet very boring and the think about a ballet based on the Federal Reserve makes me want to fall into a coma.

Good point.

So, would you say those candidates were a little out of touch? LOL

What's really shocking is that the vote is 57 percent NO. It should be more like 80-90 percent NO. This law is way to aggressive even if you are pro-life. Does not allow to terminate a pregnancy in cases of rape or incest! Who takes care of the baby? I guess it's limited government when it suits them.

For Mississippi I'll take 57% sanity any day.

IMHO- Agreed 57% is a lot better than what I was expecting. Due to the closeness of the vote I don't expect the Personhood Initiative supporters to shut up about it. They'll try again next time. Or maybe focus on another state- what state would they actually try?

A 14 point spread is not close. Not in any election I've ever heard of. Obama won in 2008 by about half that. They have already tried and failed in Colorado (where they came from) and South Dakota.

Guess Mississippians weren't "clinging to their bibles" as much as the liberals would love to pretend.

Mississippi Voter ID - Republicans

Mississippi governor - Republican (freshman vs 4th term Dem)

OK, PJam, let's move on and talk about your big sexy pal Herman Cain. If nothing else, his press conference today taught us that he's not just ignorant and crazy, he's Palin-Defcon Five Crazy -- and there's no way in hell the GOP puppet masters are going to let him go all the way.

However, you and I both know that Herman has a huge future as a paid whiner for Fox or wherever they stashed Bawlin' Beck. So here's my concept: Team him up in a "Morning Zoo" format with his Italian counterpart Silvio Berlusconi, who's also going to have time on his hands (if he is not actually doing time). I smell ratings! Are you in, Big Boy?

Maybe they should try Alaska. They voted for Sarah Palin. Who knows what they might vote for if you get them liquored up.

I am definitely going to be using "Palin-Defcon Five Crazy," on a regular basis. I just spit coffee on my keyboard Melissa-1175724! LMAO

However, I see Hermain Cain co-hosting with Bill O'Reilly. I'd watch just to see whose head explodes first!

Get your hands off me Hermie!

John - BOTH candidates in Mississippi endorsed Initiative 26 and everything else went to Republicans.... they even threw out their Democrat governor for a freshmen Republican.

Mississippi Voter ID - Republicans

Mississippi governor - Republican (freshman vs 4th term Dem)

You might try reading past the misleading headline next time.

Ummm...Ms had a term limited Republican governor, not a dem. Mississippi is no gauge for how well repubs are doing. That state hasn't voted dem since the 1970s.

@John-2512223 You screwed yourself if you are from Ohio. Lots of rhetoric and nobody saying how Ohio is going to close the 10 billion dollar budget deficit. That money was spent on you! All that has to be paid back now and the spending in the future has to be curtailed. That means less services, more unemployment, how does it feel to make your neighbor unemployed.

The Ohio government taxed you and spent the money on you. And borrowed money for you. You just refused to allow your government to help you close the deficit. You should be proud of yourself.

Mississippi Voter ID - look forward to injunction and Constitutional challenge. Lots of people in Mississippi who had their birth records recorded in the family Bible and then lost it all in floods and earthquakes.