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Subscribe to RSSIn a rebuff to Republican Gov. John Kasich, Ohio voters have decided to reject curbs on public employees.
The Associated Press projected that voters would reject S.B. 5, the law enacted last spring by Kasich and the Republican-controlled legislature that limited the ability of public employee unions to collectively bargain.
With nearly a third percent of precincts reporting, more than 60 percent of voters were rejecting the law.
The law also would have required performance-based pay for most public employees, limited the accrual of vacation time, and required public employees to pay 15 percent of the cost of their health care benefits. While the health care cost sharing was popular in polling, the curb on collective bargaining by public-sector workers was not.
“The repeal of SB5 is a monumental victory for working families not only in Ohio , but all across the country,” said Michael Sargeant, executive director of the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee.
The victory for organized labor is an encouraging sign for Democrats as they prepare to battle for Ohio’s 18 electoral votes in the 2012 presidential election. President Obama carried Ohio with 51 percent of the vote in 2008.
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good job ohio!!!!! next step to restoring america: kick out the tea party in ohio!!!
Yep, look at what the free spending democrats did to California......deeper in debt everyday with uncontolled spending.....The democrats, the Party of Give Me Yours, It Is Mine.
I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, and one of the reasons why California has a deficit is because it invested so much into the housing bubble and collapsed when the bubble burst. And even though salaries and benefits got too big DURING the bubble, at least the Democrats and the Republicans compromised to gradually lower the deficit. I believe that unions and corporations should be balanced and given a limited role in politics, even though I am pro-labor. I don't know about collective bargaining, from what I have read (not conservative Fox or anything like that) it sounds bad, but any decision ought to be done with negotiations with a high degree of public pressure on both parties.
Texas is just as broke as Cali and like most of those "low taxed red states" gets more in government subsidies then they pay in and have for years but don't let those pesky "facts" get in the way of your usual right wing talking points. Thanks to idiot Scott Walker he'll be turning my beloved Wisconsin into another "Wississippi" in short order so his recall is a MUST.
I don't mind paying higher taxes in the state I live in as long as those taxes are paying for servicws that I value, like the quality of our education syste which has been among the best in the country but won't be for long after taking a 1.6 billion hack in funding so Walker can shift that money to rich corporations, deregulate everything here for the sake of corporate greed and crony capitalism and in no time at all, OUR workers will be making crap wages and have no healthcare living in trailer parks with their teeth falling out, dropping out of high school pregnant and stupid.
"wississipi" AKA: Fitzwalkerstan if we don't get rid of this fool who is killing our state. All you righties think about is TAXES and whining about "high" they are when we have not had a tax increase in 10 years!!! Factually speaking, ending the deficit exploding Bush tax cuts which NEEDS to be done as they were never meant to be permanent to begin with would be the best thing to do and that could pay for the American Jobs Act!!!
Tax cuts and budget cuts DO NOT CREATE JOBS or revive an ailing economy! They KILL IT!!!
Well Ohio: You had a chance and blew it.
... meanwhile, in Washington, Republicans offer tax "concession", so long as the new tax revenue goes towards lowering the top individual tax rate to 28% and making the Bush tax cuts permanent.
If that isn't a Republican F-U to the 99.9%, then I don't know what is.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/08/8705443-dems-rebuff-gop-tax-proposal-as-insane
Way to go Ohio!!
You are running an $8Billion dollar deficit but you vote down:
Performance based pay (no matter how bad a job you do, we will continue to pay your salary)
Limit accrual of vacation time (most private employees work under a use it or lose it vacation policy, but if your in the union, we will let you accrue as much as you want).
And the topper!!
You don't have to contribute 15% to your cost of health insurance (most private sector employees contribute far more then 15%).
Hey Ohio, how are you going to pay for this?? Please say your going to raise taxes!! We know you don't have much industry left, but right to work states will be more then happy to have it, as for the voters keep your welfare check and your politics in Ohio!
you don't know what you are talking about! 94% of OH public workers pay 15% or more for health care. this is not the issue. in fact, studies show that comparing same education levels and years of experience that public workers make 6% LESS in overall compensation compared to private workers! kasich cut taxes to rich and corporations, cut money for schools, police, roads so if cities/counties want to have quality education, roads, police then they may have to raise taxes and it has NOTHING to do with the workers compensation which in studies has shown to NOT be too high! 6% less than private workers with same education levels and years of experience. the idea that politicians should have all the power and workers should have nothing in unbelievable! collective bargaining has been working for years. kasich and tp gop politicians are owned by corporations that don't want to pay taxes and they are trying to get people to blame middle class workers instead of those that actually are to blame for our economy. in states that don't have unions, people have depressed wages and poor to no benefits and guess what. most of these states have budget shortfalls. hmmm..... so who to blame when you can't scapegoat public employees or their unions?
jjdcc "in states that don't have unions, people have depressed wages and poor to no benefits"
Please keep thinking that and stay in Ohio!
The people of Ohio should give themselves a pat of the back for defending one of the basic rights of American workers: the right to collectively bargain. While other parts of this ballot issue were popular, the people of Ohio voted with their heads; whatever their opinion of state workers may be, they still recognized that these workers have the same rights as any other worker in regards to collectively bargain. They should celebrate by filling a Gatorade bucket full of tea, urinating in it, and dumping it over the heads of pieces of s##t like Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, and Eric Cantor.
So Ohio is okay with their private sector employees paying for Cadillac plans for the public workers. Someone has to pay. However there should be collective bargaining. For all employees. The public sector has grown out of control in the United States. A healthy private sector is needed to support it.
The private sector is on life support. Your next Battle Ohio? Fixing your economy and remembering who feeds the public trough.
this cadillac plan for public workers thing that fox/tp/gop keep saying has been proven to be lies! go to polifact a nonpartisan website. they have shown that most of the things out of kasich's mouth are lies! teachers, forensic scientists, police officers, etc. are not "feeding at the public trough". you are so ignorant. these people are regular, middle class working people that are paid for their services. it is ridiculous how you act like that get money for free! the only people that are overpaid are the politicians! and guess what? they exempted themselves from this bill in OH! such hypocrites! lucky that OH citizens saw through the lies!
Good Luck Ohio.. You will end up just like California - Broke! Firemen making 125,000 a year in retirement afetr 30 years service (remember they also can't get fired with union protection) - because all you will have is a large block of voters (Teachers, Fire, Police, Etc) all voteing themselves raises.......... Average pay for a police offier in Anahiem (Disneyland baby) is 131,000 a year. Retirment at 54 years old with 98% of your highest years earning...
Ohio also passed a law that PROHIBITS the Mandate for Health Care Law. In effect saying NO OBAMA CARE IN OHIO!!
Jumpintoconclusions: Bull#@!*!!!! Get a grip on reality!
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Ohio -
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
you are bumming me out!
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Here’s the link to their list of charges against the idiots, liars, looters, theives, double crossers and illegals in our House.
I wonder why they waited so long.
http://veterandefenders.org/DECLARATION-RESTORE-THE-CONSTITUTIONAL-REPUBLIC.pdf
For those crying that It Is A Race Issue,Your Right-A Race To Save Out Country!
they voted for higher unemployment....what fools ohio is dumb...lol
Ohio just became New Detriot.
You mean the new Greece.
Mike, hope your wrong but I can smell the stink already!
Clearly people seem to see money we don't have, socialism will be the ruin of us.
congrats the second american civil war is now that much closer. When all the various governments are broke and there are no more hand outs it will be dog eat dog and i have my ammo wheres yours. Thank God for my military training and experience.
the reason that government is "broke" is that tp/gop politicians who are owned by rich and corporations have come in and lowered their taxes. taxes are lower than any other industrialized country! in the 60's taxes for the rich were 70% and now with loopholes many pay 0 while the middle class doesn't have the tax accountants and loopholes so we pay 30%! how is that fair?
jjdcc loves to make up facts!
The only industrialized nation that has higher corporate taxes then the US is Japan.
Currently almost half 49% of the american public pays no income tax.
But many companies don't pay that rate. Many pay lower rates through loopholes while others pay none. Just because its high doesn't mean that everyone pays that. And as for the 49% who don't pay income tax, many of them are poor who pay other state and fed taxes. Since when has the income tax been the ONLY federal individual tax? The way to lower that rate is to create jobs through spending bills and maybe put a tiny tax on those 49%.
Oh that 49% thing AGAIN? Turn off Fox!!
FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says he wants to make sure millionaires are taxed at higher rates than their secretaries. The data say they already are.
"Warren Buffett's secretary shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. There is no justification for it," Obama said as he announced his deficit-reduction plan this week. "It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million."
On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.
The 10 percent of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70 percent of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
In his White House address on Monday, Obama called on Congress to increase taxes by $1.5 trillion as part of a 10-year deficit reduction package totaling more than $3 trillion. He proposed that Congress overhaul the tax code and impose what he called the "Buffett rule," named for the billionaire investor.
Quite naturally the higher the income the more taxes high income individuals will pay, providing person/persons aren't exempt, which has nothing to do with tax rates. Thirty-five percent on $500 = $175 and twenty percent on $100,000 equals $20,000. See how numbers work. Yes they're paying more taxes, but in this case the person making a higher salary is taking home 80% of its earnings and the lower wage employee is taking home only 65%. Is this fair?
When the economy was boiling everyone was hiring including State and Local Governments, then the Republicans pulled the plug with their engineered Sub Prime Melt Down. They saw their opportunity to wreck Unions and went for the throat pitting taxpayers against Unions and one American against another in their planned "Race to the Bottom". They were hard at work trying to turn America into a Banana Republic.
I Hope this is the Turning Point...
Sure, look at how the democrats have made California a spending nightmare. Nice that someone like you has your head so far up the dark spot you can't see reality.
...delusional...the dems had a big part in causing the housing clusterfrack meltdown...but, please, continue with your partisan ideology of the false utopia promised by the socialist democraps...
That sub prime thing started with Clinton. And it is the turning point. Back to the bottom for you. The supposed "Freedom Nazi's" have lured you right where they want you. Sad you don't see it. Now back to the OWS protest of your choice. Sigh.
Yes Chaos, old Barney and Chris come to mind......nothing wrong with Freddie Mac and Fannie May...hey Ted did you hear they want another bailout.
Freddie and Fannie don't make loans, never did. When the Economy rebounds and someday it will and Non Union People are making more, where will that leave them when they have no Collective bargaining rights? Right back to the days of the Gilded age, that's where. Everyone has to take a haircut until the Economy comes back. We all know that but taking away Collective Bargaining rights leaves Unions and Public employees out of the prosperity when it returns.
Pitting one American against another during hard times is no way to bring back jobs, it's just Scapegoating and it won't win elections for Republican, not with these results.
Americans are waking up to dirty tricks, Finally!
Unions haven't always been Angels, but without them we would just be another Somalia...
It's all part of the new age economy. The occupy wall street movement. Where ceo don't get 500 times the pay as their avg worker. Where the upper 1% don't get 45% of the wealth and have bought off the govt to get even more. Bring back stalin has set back.
The law also would have required performance-based pay for most public employees, limited the accrual of vacation time, and required public employees to pay 15 percent of the cost of their health care benefits.
...sure, why should they have to abide by rules that non-union workers have had forever.
...can't have union workers pay be based on performance...they might then actually have to work for a living.
...can't have them limiting their accrual vacation - that should be only for those 'non-union' scabs!
...and, OH MY GOSH!, can't have union workers pay 15 percent of the cost for their health care benefits, I mean, that would be cruel! Private sector employees have to shell out at least 40%
Deal with the truth - Unions = Special Entitlements
94% of OH public workers pay 15 OR MORE for health care. kasich is a liar and this is NOT about paying for specific things. this is about him trying to depress wages, take away worker rights and harm unions, scapegoat middle class workers as a payback to the rich and corporations that own him!
So if the "right arm of Reaganomics" had'nt brain-washed American workers for the last 30 years to "blame unions" for the decline of jobs and why manufacturing went overseas, idiots like you would be demanding a union be in YOUR workplace instead of giving 1/3 of your paycheck away in healthcare costs, having a true pension instead of this called 401ks where our retirements are based on the mercy of "the markets and we all know after 2008 how well we fared after THAT mess as our 401k's took a raping by Wall St" but the unions caused that, RIGHT? You would demanding a union so you could be getting a real raise, vacation, sick days and things a hard working person DESERVES but you have been brain-washed into thinking that you have to break your back and work 50-60 hours a week to be considered a "hard worker" and the union guy who works his 40 is "lazy" Man, are you STUPID!!
This is what this whole union blame game the teatard Governors and the gop controlled House was meant to do to the typical right wing American with amnesia-forget about WHO REALLY caused this mess of our economy and it sure was NOT the public sectr UNION worker who caused the econoy to tank, sent us into two unfunded wars and rammed through an RX MC D drug plan all of which were 100% deficit financed but demonize those 2nd and 3rd grade teachers as 2011!!!
Boy are you righties the stupidest people alive.
...it only took about 5 words of teresa's rant to get the gist of the rest of her cavewoman diatribe:
"UGH! UGH! Dems are good! Reps are bad! UGH! UGH!
...you may now open your mouth to switch feet.
Ohio. Right up there with another state in close proximity with much the same inbreeding idiocy. Good luck folks. Come back cheering in a year or two. Then and only then can you claim this as a victory.
You want your way and you want it now. The old addage "be careful what you wish for" comes to mind. I feel for you and hope that when you wake up after that time of Utopia you will live for a short time, you will learn from your mistakes.
Governor Walker is next! Can't wait.
wow ..higher state taxes ...higher unemployment...and they said yes..the whole state should be drug tested...
Way to go people of Ohio! You can easily see that defeating this issue was part of the Republican National Platform and Republican Governors were given the orders to carry this out. You can adjust pay, benefits but not the right to negotiate. Now on to Wisconsin.
America has had enuff of the GOP's Store/Corporate bought Politicians ... more of there policies and office holders are going to fail just like Lehman Brothers did < John Kasich's former employer>. Ohio had the same thing coming if we continue following his lead...... HEY Let's sell the Ohio Turnpike and make a fast buck off of Ohio tax-payers Dime.
THE VOICE OF LABOR HAS SPOKEN!!!
ANYTHING RIGHT OF CENTER HAS A BULLS EYE ON ITS BACK!!