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Subscribe to RSSA majority of Republican voters -- and nearly six in 10 GOP Tea Party supporters -- say they aren't concerned about the sexual-harassment allegations directed at Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
But his standing among all respondents has declined since these allegations first surfaced last week.
In the poll, 54 percent of Republican voters say they aren't concerned about voting for Cain after these allegations, while another 15 percent say they are "just a little" concerned.
By comparison, only a combined 13 percent of Republicans say they are a "great deal" or "quite a bit" concerned about voting for Cain.
But among all adults, negative opinions about Cain have increased in the past month.
In October's NBC/WSJ survey, 24 percent of all respondents had a positive impression of the ex-Godfather's Pizza CEO, and 18 percent had a negative impression of him.
But according to this new poll, that negative number has jumped up to 35 percent, while 23 percent have a positive opinion of Cain.
The NBC/WSJ poll -- which was conducted Nov. 2-5 of 1,000 adults, and which has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points among all respondents (and 6.2 percentage points among GOP primary voters) -- will be released in full beginning at 6:30 pm ET.
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Why am I not surprised at this?
Take a look at how the family values freaks regard women in general - barefoot in the kitchen & pregnant comes to mind!
Is it any wonder they would support and donate to someone like Hermie?
if only Cain were a liberal, then all the - women in comfortable shoes - bunch would be lining up to be next!
Gloria Allred is joining the party. That will bring these women instant credibility.
You Libs have set the bar for what is offensive about any sexual allegation. Now you have to live with it.
why have there been no allegations of accusers being trailer park trash yet?
Says a women with ZERO credibility! lmao!
Speaking of women in comfortable shoes - how's those size 15 EEE working out for ya Sniffy?
Bonus points for them matching your feed bag... very stylish! ;o)
...and the GOP has set the bar for how offended you should be about any sexual allegation. Now you have to live with it.
If Herman Cain were a liberal he would have been drummed out of the primary by now. Only good christian, Family-values misogynists (defined as ALL christian conservative TPer men) see nothing wrong with a "sexual harassment" - or date-rape (because all women really are sluts and deserve it) for that matter. Don't believe me, look at how the Catholic church has handled priestly sex abuse cases or how women are routinely treated by the date-rapist's defense team during trial.
Feisty- y' spose JAS thinks a LEFTY blew the whistle on Cain?
(Best Gomer Pyle imitation in the world)
Suuuuprize, suuuuprize, suuuuuprize.
The GOP don't care nothin' 'bout wimmen, or the pore, or little kids or nothin' but rich folks. Wait till I tell Barney.
Suuuuprize, suuuuprize, suuuuprize.
Somebody needs to make a CITIZENS ARREST! CITIZENS ARREST! CITIZENS ARREST!
Obama/Biden 2012
Ahhhh . . . Did anyone really think conservatives care? They don't think past the propaganda. They will vote for whomever the machine tells them to vote for. They don't imagine a better world, but instead huddle in fear about some phony threat conjured up by the scare machine that is conservative politics. They are a 12th century party caught in the 21st century. They bomb the Taliban and want to bomb Iran, but at their core is a sensibility that would implement religious purity, a survivalist society, and an oligarchy that protects the wealthy against the masses. Sound familiar? It's a world they fail to illustrate for their voters who don't seem to get it.
I wonder why it is Feisty seems to know so much about size 15 EEEE shoes?
With Clinton we had a blue dress and a stain. Evidence of an act.
What do we have with Cain at this point?
Have any actual acts been alleged?
You think Allred will produce a stained dress? A nasty cigar?
man I hope so.
The Grand old Party is now a collection of "coded" racists (what better then a Black Man to prove you are otherwise and to prove to your self that you are not), Christians who act unchristian, those who are anti science (while at the same time living lives made easier by the same), Reactionaries (people who define themselves by not what they are for but rather who they are against), Incapable of critical thinking in addition to introspection and self questioning, lacking in empathy, jingoistic to a fault and all around MEAN! Essentially, people who boo an American Soldier, cheer a Governor who boasted that his state executes more prisoners then any other, stood to their feet when one of the candidates said let a person with insurance who has cancer just die... are more then capable of considering a sexual predator in the workplace as nothing more then just another red blooded American male exercising his chauvinistic right to being a whoremonger!
Now you're talking about something Sniffy is an expert on... blowing...
Only, we're not talking whistles here Buzz! ;o)
I guess I'm confused. Aren't these teagoppers the same ones that goes all ballistic when some democrat gets caught with his pants unzipped? I seem to remember during the Weiner scandal that they kind of thought everyone that ever even knew the guy should be "cleansed in the fire" and "exorcised of the demons" because of the sinfulness. But it's ok when it's one of their own. Kind of like the "E" street zoo.
Cain's a bigoted immoral idiot. Not because he's a teagopper. Just because that's what he is.
Let's see if I can distill my thoughts down to one point here. Right wing republicans are scum. Yep, that'll do it.
Indeed, they have. Unless you think propositions and advances toward subordinate employees in hotel rooms and inappropriate comments made to subordinate employees and employees of conservative talk show hosts and campaign workers, as overheard by others (male, as it turns out) are not "acts"?
You really do need to get out more. Or is it really just denial?
6 in 10 Republicans are unconcerned by the sexual harrassment charges, however, among the general public Cain is viewed more negatively since the charges were uncovered.
Well, I say, go for it Republicans, nominate the guy! Don't let a few opinion polls hold you back!
Conservatives don't care about sexual impropriety. They pretend to from time to time for political advantage, but it is all an act.
What I love about Cain's sexual harassment issues and, for that matter, Romney's waffling issues, is that it is a perfect example of political karma coming around and biting the GOP on its over sized arse.
Think about it. Politicians used to have affairs regularly and nobody would say boo about it. Then the Republicans made the Clenis (Bill Clinton's privates) into the biggest issue ever and impeached Clinton for misusing the Clenis. Politicians also used to change their minds on issues regularly without facing electoral doom. That changed with John Kerry; now changing your mind is seen as a result of a character flaw.
90 stories in Politico.
The media and these called journalists are possibly learning a lesson. Up until now they've been immune from criticism, but this Cain story sure has positioned them as a target. Talk about rushing to conclusions, that's the media today. Cain has told them to grow up, and the country has responded the same. Maybe these so called journalists will stop thinking they writing for TMZ and actually do a little research from now on.
Now that Allred is in the mix, the story has officially jumped the shark.
The mindless drones who support Cain will not likely let anything deter them.
Personally, I am far more concerned with Cain's primitive policies and lack of knowledge on nearly ALL the issues then I am about the latest side show in the GOP circus of clowns.
Is that a lawyer trick Spanky, an affair and sexual harassment are two completely different things. They paid two settlements to two different women, I know, I know, they did it to save money by not defending frivolous claims. If I was a lawyer, and I was advising Cain, my legal advice to him would be to stop breaking the law you numskull!
liberals only think r @ p e is funny when their spokesperson-bill maher-suggest it be done, violently, to conservatives.
of course, if the act is statutory, libs think its funny when one of their comedians-letterman-suggest children of conservatives are violated
disgusting.
JoAnna.
Queen mindless drone herself. LOL!!!
Blame the media. Believe the conspiracy. Follow stupid.
Wow. Just wow.
Do not understand some folks. I would prefer to have someone that is honest in the white house..not another woman chaser running around as Clinton was.. Honesty in any politican would be a welcome change..so far we have seen none from the republican side..lots of truth stretching. This however is coming from both sides..It seems as though neither side is for the voters who are the majority....their ideas do not count anymore. No politican has addressed the real issue of jobs, no matter what the claims happen to be. They all complain about not enough money coming from taxes now but neither side will admit that the huge job loss from the trade deals have brought a lot of our problems on.
Once you are out of the pizza business you should stop offering everybody you meet a large peperoni.
Why are allegations of improper sexual conduct important ? because, if you are trusting a candidate to be faithful to his oaths, one of the most important is the oath they make to their spouse.
Not that this really matters for Herman Cain, there is no way the GOP is going to support a black man for President anyway.
Spanky, did anybody actually ever SEE the stained blue dress?
On the other hand, the National Restaurant Association accepted the allegations with a monetary payoff to the victim.
So there you are. In one case, a lone woman, Linda Tripp, who says what she heard the victim, Monica Lewinski, say ("I have this blue dress with stains on it"). In the other case, a national organization, the Nat Restaurant Assoc, deciding the charges were too legitimate to fight.
I guess we all believe what we want to believe.
The last I looked ... Cain dropped 9 points among republicans ... Sooo ... what the're saying is ... they don't care but they care ... hmmmm ... sounds like the same double-talk we've been getting from Cain!!
It isn't the infidelity towards Mrs. Cain; it is the bogus 9 9 9 idea; the obvious stupidity on on China; the moral preaching; the goofy smoking ad; the Koch brother from another mother (that's a movie quote)....and the silliness behind Pizza guy.
The accuser Sharon says she is a republican. Guess she could be a "lefty" repub
It sounds like Herman Cain is much more than "grabbing ass". If true he likes to grab the big V and pull her head to his crotch.
While she may not have a stained dress JAS1 and Smanky she does have two sworn affidavits from two individuals whom she spoke to at the time it happened. (sworn under oath spanky)
Family values much?
The press keeps talking about Cain ignoring the facts. What facts? Allegations of Sexual Harassment were made. They were obviously investigated and either found baseless or the alleged victims were willing to sell their moral outrage for some monetary amount and the cases were closed. It's a done deal, history, old news and who cares? If you've ever been a manager in business you would know that anyone can file sexual harassment or EEO complaints but (1) they are filed against the company not the person and (2) they have to be ruled legitimate and valid to mean anything. I haven't heard one person come forward and say Cain was found guilty of anything. Quit whining and let's move on.
PWH in San Diego ... for your info ... people have moved on ... Cain dropped 9 points among Republicans ... that may not be a big deal to you ... but ask Cain about 9 points and see how he feels ...
And nobody is "whining" most are being amused by this Cain's shuck & jive act ..
If you have this kind of STUFF in your closet ... and HE DID ... don't run for the highest office in the land and not think it's going to come out ... just plain dumb ...
GreenTimer --
I hate to be the bearer of these particular bad tidings, but in the interests of full disclosure, Monica Lewinsky gave the blue dress to Kenneth Starr during the investigation. Starr had it tested. Where it is now, I have no idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4482242&page=1
No one was more disappointed than I was.
LoL I wonder how Republicans feel watching it all unravel.
On second thought, I think I know.
He's a pizza guy. He's used to telling women to "hold the sausage" and asking if "that needs to be heated up".
@ Diane Reeves - "drummed out of the Primary"? That's pretty funny when the Democrats have the likes of the Kennedy's, and Clinton, I could go on, but the point is clear. These folks have been venerated and/or re-elected depsite their proven infidelities or other fringe behavior. The GOP are waiting for facts, not allegations.
I could care less if Cain hit on some bimbo. Not my business.
willowbrook ... the settlements are facts ... you need not wait longer ...
As far as the new allegations ... I don't think Cain is as eager for the facts as you seem to be ....
You know- if FRH & Republicant had anything of value to add- this might be an interesting conversation- but since it's all about name calling and degrading other people, this vine has fallen into a state of complete loss. And these two have lost the argument- the first to play a name calling card- loses!
Where are the code violations (Rule #1)?
The first question is, how many republicans even know about the allegations? FOX Noise and Hate Radio are not reporting on this with full information or without bias.
Scandal only matters to Republicans when it is a Democrat. If it is a "family values" hypocrisy, Republicans are "forgiven" if they say they are sorry. Cain should have admitted from the beginning that he is a skirt-chasing pig but he has repented. But once again if it is a Democrat who is repentant, forgetaboutit -- he/she is going to hell not matter what!
This is why it is possible that Cain's drop in the polls (albeit not as much as he should) could be replaced with a rise in the polls for Gingrich--as if Newt has no scandalous skeletons in his closet. Truly delusional and crazy, but this is what the GOP/TP has become.
Keep in mind that polls are not how people actually vote. If Cain became the Teapublican nominee, the racists, pro-lifers, and handful of sane moderates who dislike his connections to Koch money and finance finagling, and possibly his lack of qualifications (especially in foreign policy) would not get out the vote for him.
Some will hold their nose and vote for any candidate just to vote against President Obama, but it won't be enough. No matter how strong of an emotion irrational hatred may be, others will have a conscience and will not be able to pull the lever for an incompetent candidate--maybe not even for an unreliable one like Romney.
Proof?
Oh, what was I thinking, of course the Teapublicans don't do "proof", they only do wild accusations and make up stuff. Their worldview suffers a severe shortage of "facts".
As to those accusations, journalists have already confirmed the hush-money payments, and even have statements from others who witnessed the harassment.
I'd have to hold a lot more than my nose to even consider voting for any of the Teapublican candidates, it would require strangling my reason, my logic, my self-interest, and my moral outrage.
Sorry, that's too big of a requirement. Obama still has my vote.
Some big payouts and confidentiality agreements. Republicans are weird. They like those family values, but only for everyone else. If you are a republican, it is ok to do just about anything you want. Bring it to the general election, please, and see how far it gets you with sane people.
Republicons can talk the talk but stumble over their own feet when it comes to walking the walk.
They act as if they have the users rights to invoke any kind of moral or family values.
They need to start judging themselves as harshly as they judge others.
How arrogant anyway - I thought their god did all the judgements! But then, if you think you will go to heaven no matter what you do because you are a Xtian, anything goes, uh!
Try turning off the TV and radio, Repubs and ask yourselves: do I like what I have become?
All these people out here are trying to tell you something!
Republicans ABSOLUTELY care when a politician is involved in a sexual scandal - if it's a Democrat. If it's a Republican, well, no matter - boys will be boys. You know, like the ones investigating Clinton who were every one having an affair on the side. What a bunch of pathetic hypocrites!
If you vultures can leave the carrion alone for just a sec, I'll tell you why we are not concerned about these allegations.........it's simple.... thus far, there has been not one shred of proof produced. Surely, a brilliant lady lawyer genius like Gloria knows about evidence vs hearsay!
Produce some irrefutable evidence...you know like the kind you ignored concerning Bill Clinton a few years ago.....and I'll be willing to consider condemning Herman.
sorry- but wrong is wrong- no matter which side of the aisle you're on. If Cain did do this- he should take his medicine & punishment. If it turns out to be a witch hunt- then the accusers should pay for defamation- but so far, there is NO EVIDENCE!!
I like Cain- but this may make me look closer at his character.
Read though this thread, you will find no discussion. No intelligent responses, no point counter point. Just name calling, calling people racist, women stupid and just absolute non sense. I cry that you all have the right to vote. Most people don't care about this Tabloid journalism,and it is, because at the moment this has been nothing but allegations. 1, 2, and 3 have just made statements though their lawyer's. Yes, payment was received equal to a year's salary. This should not surprise people, heard of golden parachute? Of course you have, well this is the middle class version. People receive a severance very often when terminated in questionable circumstances. It was a he said she said situation in the 90's and it is still one today. No facts, no witnesses, nothing to prove either side. Therefore both side's must be equal and therefor can not be put out as fact. It is just a distraction and a merry-go-round. Now we have a fourth, that has waited until the others did not make public statements. That is represented by a media grabbing attorney, referred to by the NYT as "a feminist avenging crusader or a deluxe ambulance chaser catching a ride on the latest tabloid scandal"By LAURIE WINERPublished: June 18, 2010. I will wait for the facts please.
this should not suprise anyone, i mean their own agenda seems to be more important than right or wrong
Now when it was Clinton, well, these same people wanted him impeached and sanctioned, etc, etc.
What a bunch of hypocrits !!
The quote below from Ivan SC illustrates the reason republicans don't care about the Cain accusations. Clearly, they would support a serial rapist running the white house, so long as the candidate admitted they were a serial rapist. What they can't stand is a politician lying about a CONSENSUAL affair. Strange ethics!!
TOP TEN BASELESS ALLEGATIONS THAT WILL BE MADE AGAINST HERMAN CAIN
10) Aliens abducted Herman Cain and gave him the calculations for 999 tax plan.
9) Herman Cain admits he accidentally sexually harassed himself in 2009 on golf trip. Played with his own balls.
8) Cain campaign to spend $500,000 to advertise lack of campaign funds.
7) Open meeting on Cain harassment charge to be closed, says candidate, "I won't talk about that".
6) Herman claims to be "brothers" with Kochs. Mother disowns him and demands to see birth certificate.
5) Koch-Cain connection discovered in Wisconsin. "Not mine", candidate snorts.
4) Cain stands firm on abortion. Won't budge despite birthmother's pleas.
3) Cain steals "ni&&erhead" rock from Perry ranch. "I wanted a driveway marker", Herman claims.
2) Poor blacks claim poverty is not their fault. Cain says, "You know how those people lie".
1) Cain Campaign manager predicts campaign didn't end last weekend
I agree that it isn't going to change the way how most Republicans vote. It didn't matter what we thought during the Clinton presidency and it certainly won't matter now. Thank you liberals for drumming your lack of morals down our throats. Now we see we will just have to compromise in order to get Obama out of office. I personally don't think any of these allegations are true, but as you liberals pointed out, you don't need someone who is moral in their personal life in order to be a good president. Afterall, Clinton was not moral, however all liberals everywhere rate him as being one of the best! Right?
I think you guys should look at your own advice before you start pointing at other people. And once Cain runs for president, you can't use that racism card anymore. LOL
"NBC/WSJ poll: Cain allegations don't matter to majority of Republicans"
That's because they were allegations. With a settlement reached 'out of court', so as to not prolong and exsasperbate lawyer fee's, ect.
Come-on Feisty Red Head, your out-right (our should I say, out-Left) bias is showing.
Listen-up to reality and not your bias.
Seems Hermie has a penchant for white women...that ain't gonna make his wife OR the GOP/Tea Party happy...
[You really do need to get out more. Or is it really just denial?]
It is mainly the former...he gets the talking point of the day faxed in...and I wouldn't say its denial, more like ignorance.
Herman sure likes the white womenz. He's an equal opportunity womanizer.
The GOP Teatards are total losers, they have no soul, they remind me of "Night of the living dead"
Many Politicians running for National Office have skeletons in their closet which will eventually be revealed; but this Herman Cain fella has a complete Wardrobe.
Un-freakin believable!
Rod and Ricky: You guys really are a bunch of racists. But it figures you being part of the democratic party and all; it just goes to show you that liberals only care about race (Obama being black) when it accomplishes their goals. Such a bunch of hypocrites!
The only way to settle this republican vs dem debate on sex scandals is to Google. Look up how many GOPs resigned after their scandal vs dems. How many politicians took their "Weiner" back home and how many refused to leave their seat (or their Minnesota bathroom stalls, Mr Craig) until their term was over.
Frankly, as a member of the GOP I am shocked at the fact that it took sexual allegations to bring Cain down in the polls, and not his admission that his tax plan would have the middle classes paying even more than they do now. Get your priorities straight!!!!!
FACT ... most of GOP doesn't care Fact ... most of GOP didn't take him serious in the first place!
Both sides (dem & GOP) have people who have been accused and/or found guilty so neither side can play the high road game here.
I agree newscover.... maybe that's why 54% don't much care. Either way, whatever sliver of regard I may have had for Republicans, growing up in a strictly Republican household, just blew out the window with Dorothy and Toto.....
This behavior, so many not caring, shows just how damn low we've come when it comes to politics... that we even tolerate this kind of character, or lack thereof. My money says John Adams, and George Washington are rolling in their graves..... so sad to me....
th emajority of those that support cain are not interested in anything other than can he produce a birth certificate on demand and were his parents evangelical christians .. if his answer to both is yes he becomes the winner .. unlike romney the squeeky clean guy that belongs to a cult called mormons
Which neatly sums up the problem here for Conservatives. They don't believe in the existence of sexual harassment. I haven't read this entire thread but I assume somewhere on the page a poster has demanded the identities of all the accusers. As this continues to develop keep in mind that there's only ONE reason the GOPTP wants those identities -- so they can make examples of the women and teach the entire society not to tell unpleasant truths about Conservatives.
That's the sort of authoritarians that populate the GOPTP.
The main reasons Republicans and TEA Party Members are not getting excited about the allegations goes back to the basic philosophical and emotional differences between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans, dare I say, "conservatives", are business oriented realist, who reside in the real world, who make decisions based on facts,figures, and the bottom line, and in this case the facts simply are not there, while Dems, on the other hand, are more, dare I say, "idealists", who are driven by emotion and the way they think things are, or should be, not reality,so they tend to ,"group think", among themselves ,and then,they believe, all they have to do is come up with a good story of the way they truly, really, honestly, cross their hearts and hope to die, believe things are, and they are sure everyone will agree with them , after all, they have talked it out among themselves,around the campfire, while singing kubaya and they are sure they are right,there is simply no other explanation ,and no amount of evidence,(or lack of it), will change their minds.You have to look no further than the way they latched on to baseless allegations brought against a presidential candidate, without the slightest hint of actual evidence, or the occupy Wall Street movement of today, where they KNOW it's ALL evil Wall Streets fault, or the global warming craze, that was preceded by the global cooling craze,but whatever You do,do not try to reason with them about how illogical it is of them to rush to support such things with no solid evidence of anything, because if You do that, You are obviously a greedy, hate filled, NAZI monster who wants to poison the planet, kill mom ,apple pie, and puppies everywhere, when all You really have to do is give all Your wealth,that You have spent all Your life making, to those who have none,(Them), because They want it, therefore it's the right thing to do,(but not to worry, most eventually mature out of this phase as they are thrust into Real World Practicum 101). Now, believe it or not, I am not against dreamers, they serve a very useful purpose as thought generators for the advancement of civilization, and the creation of new technologies,but,at times, they can be a very vulnerable, political and social group, subject to easy manipulation, and the exploitation of their emotions, by con men ,scam artists, and politicians who would prey on their idealism, for their own nefarious purposes, but, You can't have one without the other and unfortunately, experience is not gained by being told about something, it must be "experienced".
If you DIDN'T DO IT, you fight it, because it's the principle of the thing, I did NOTHING WRONG, so I fight!
When you don't fight, when you roll over and pay up....?
You did it.
This is the same feeling democrats had about bill clinton, what cain did is between him and his wife. the same as it was between bill and hillary.
so before us liberal start to take crap, lets remember bill clinton, no matter what he did in his personal like he still delivered 23 million jobs in his presidency.
But, But, But, as Herman Cain said of the Occupy WallStreet Protesters:
It's Your Fault Herman !
You Betcha!
What Cain did, IF the allegations are true, is certainly pertinent to more than his personal relationship with his spouse. Unwanted sexual advances/comments in the workplace are SIGNIFICANTLY different from an adulterous affair between two CONSENTING adults. I don't care if a Democrat or a Republican has an affair. I do care if a Democrat or a Republican makes sexual comments or advances towards a co-worker or a subordinate, particularly if there is a pattern of this behavior. Whether there is any fire causing this smoke remains to be seen, but it certainly is NOT just between Cain and his wife.
Adultery between consenting adults, though certainly wrong, is an entirely different kettle of fish than serially making unwanted sexual advances towards women.
I'm not at all surprised that the multiple allegations of Cain's shenanigans don't bother Republicans, though. Morals are very flexible for those folks when the person in question carries an "R" at the end of their name.
Edited to add: (Looks like ajsox1 and I had the same thought at about the same time...)
This is not the same at all. What Bill Clinton and Monica did was by mutual consent. What Cain did was not. In fact it was so unwanted, 2 of the women filed claims against him. But even if it were the same situation, the Republicans empeached Clinton but it is/was okay for Newt, Cain, and so many more? And this is the "family morals" party? I don't get them at all.
PeggyK
This is not the same at all. What Bill Clinton and Monica did was by mutual consent. What Cain did was not. In fact it was so unwanted, 2 of the women filed claims against him. But even if it were the same situation, the Republicans empeached Clinton but it is/was okay for Newt, Cain, and so many more? And this is the "family morals" party? I don't get them at all.
Peggy during the 1992 campaign bill clinton was accused of sexural harrasment. paula Jones remember her, he paid her the same as Cain paid these women. yes it is the same thing.
believe me i have no opinion of this goof and his 999 plan, all i want is fair treatment. the same bill clinton got with paula jones and this guy with these women.
Also this is not the same as clarence thomas, clarence thomas was too cheap to pay out knowing what he did, atleast Cain and clinton paid for their nastyness. clarence thomas had his wife do his talking like a winney little Bit&h!!!!!
The only people who paid off Paula Jones off was the GOP who basically funded her for years while she trapsed around the country. As you probably do not recall, the suit against Clinton was thrown out of court by the judge who basically said that while it may have been sleazy for him to hit on her that's all he did. Sexual harassment is quite a bit more than that.
Fail. Clinton sucked for lying and evading, and for being a womanizer, and if the likely-true stories about Cain are true, Cain sucks too. And as others have so correctly pointed out, Bill and Monica were consenting adults, whereas Cain is accused of using power and position to pressure women into having sex. The truly interesting thing is that so-called values voters, good Christians all, don't care what Cain did to these women, or that he has lied about it since it became public. If he proposed health care reform, an end to all wars, or high-speed rail, they would hate his guts. But sexually harassing co-workers and lying about it...no big deal for our so-moral Jesus-loving, family values, CONservative friends.
The first question is, how many Republicans even know about the allegations? Assuming low-information voters watch the news, FOX Noise and Hate Radio are not reporting on this with full information or without bias.
Scandal only matters to Republicans when it is a Democrat. If it is a "family values" hypocrisy, Republicans are "forgiven" if they say they are sorry. Cain should have admitted from the beginning that he is a skirt-chasing pig but he has repented. But once again if it is a Democrat who is repentant, forgetaboutit -- he/she is going to hell not matter what!
And why should sexual harrassment matter when rape/incest doesn't matter to these so-called Christians either?
This is why it is possible that Cain's drop in the polls (albeit not as much as he should) could be replaced with a rise in the polls for Gingrich--as if Newt has no scandalous skeletons in his closet. Truly delusional and crazy, but this is what the GOP/TP has become.
Keep in mind that polls are not how people actually vote. If Cain became the Teapublican nominee, the racists, pro-lifers, and handful of sane moderates who dislike his connections to Koch money and finance finagling, and possibly his lack of qualifications (especially in foreign policy) would not get out the vote for him.
Some will hold their nose and vote for any candidate just to vote against President Obama, but it won't be enough. No matter how strong of an emotion irrational hatred may be, others will have a conscience and will not be able to pull the lever for an incompetent candidate--maybe not even for an unreliable one like Romney.
Hmmmm I wonder if Bill would have finished his Presidency if Monica had claimed harrassment when Bill went on the air and said "Now listen to me! I did not have sex with "that" woman.....
jeff,
pretty sure there is a HUGE difference between adultery and sexual harassment... that crap might work on your repub friends...but the rest of the world is smarter then that!
I want all the facts out soon, so the public can make an informed decision. Obama is a failure and we need a strong, credible challenger.
Those of us unfortunate enough to live in Illinois remember that Obama was given a free ride to the Senate. Both his primary democrat party challenger and the GOP nominee were sidelined by tawdry divorces complete with adultery and sexual escapades. Both of these folks denied and denied until it was too late. Obama got a free Senate seat and the rest is history.
If Herman is guilty, let's get him out of there. The dire straights this country is in demand that we have a serious hard fought election next year. We don't want to wait until September of 2012, to find something out about Herman Cain or anyone else.
Well, I Certainly think this says a lot about Republicans and Tea Partiers. They sure seemed like it was a big deal with Clinton. It's OK when they do it but not OK when someone else does it.
Confirms my suspision that the TP'ers are the Keep 'em barefoot and pregnant crowd.
Hmmmm I wonder why the republicons aren't tripping all over themselves with their phony indignation as they did Clinton? For Clinton, the sex was an impeachable offense...but unwanted sexual advances for direct employees by a member of the self-righteous party???
WHO CARES!!! Cain 2012! Whooopeeee!!!
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jeff,
pretty sure there is a HUGE difference between adultery and sexual harassment... that crap might work on your repub friends...but the rest of the world is smarter then that!
Sorry but you must be NEW to this blog, I'm a liberal, lefty, as Joanna would call me.
my point again was that this guy is going though the same problems Bill clinton had, paula Jones, even if the case was throw out it still showed he was a letch, but with my fellow liberals that did not make a difference then, and should not Now.
Republicans are going to see this through because we want Obama to leave. Yes, we will have to compromise our beliefs in order to do this, but as you liberals reminded us many times that it doesn't matter so long as they can do a good job in the presidency. I hope now you guys can eat your own words. As for being good Christians, since when do you liberals want religion in the White House? Since many of you are atheists, this should be right up your alley. Why are you commenting on this now? Aren't you the ones who fought for separation of church as State?
Secondly, I find these allegations to be untrue. I figured the name-calling would only come from the democratic party right about now, with the help of MSNBC of course. I wonder why nobody criticized Obama when he ran for office? I remember pretty much the media giving him a free ride because he was the first "black candidate" to run. In any case, Obama won't be considered the only black candidate from now on.
"Secondly, I find these allegations to be untrue."
You do? You have some inside track to the evidence or the accusers that the rest of the public doesn't? Doubt it.
"I wonder why nobody criticized Obama when he ran for office?"
Um, because he never sexually harrassed anyone, maybe? And I don't know where you were during the 2008 elections, but I heard a LOT of criticism of Obama.
Sex between consenting Adults {Clinton} and Sexual Harassment {Cain} can hardly be excused away as the same situation.
Yeah, Clinton was an Idiot for Lying and Evading questions about it; but saying the two situations are comparable is laughable.
Nice try Herman supporters, but this is not the same.
Fail.
Terry
You might care if it was your wife or kid he was molesting
Gary 420
I want all the facts out soon, so the public can make an informed decision. Obama is a failure and we need a strong, credible challenger."
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...you want all the facts out soon...hmmmm...sounds like you're in charge here, we will bow down and obey. Okay. Now, just who is that strong credible challenger of which you speak? Please tell us who it is, and WHY! We are waiting with baited breath for your enlightening direction.
...I also live in Illinois, and in a very Republican county (Kane), whose seat is in a very Republican town (Geneva). Yet our taxes keep escalating every year as local government (and voracious school district 304) spending keeps increasing (county/city/teacher salaries, pensions, etc.). So guess what? It ain't just the DEMs, it's all politicians who can stiff us!!!! Our current (GOP) county Board Chairperson handed out raises (with increasing pension benefits) to her (GOP) friends in country government without going through approved procedures, and is now a subject of a lawsuit, so she is not going to run for re-election, she is now going to run for the Illinois senate, oh great, just what we need, another scum bag in Springfield!!! If I had a button in front of me which, if I pushed it, all Republicans would just cease to exist, I would be pushing it right now, but I would still not vote DEM, I don't like them either, just don't dislike them as much as the hypocrite GOP/TP right now.
What cracks me up the party of the hypocrite known as the GOPee Still supports this LOSER! with his idiotic 9-9-9 which in reality = 666 LOL!
You betcha wink, wink if this was a Democrat the party of "Family Values" would be screaming and yelling and carrying on.
In the end Cain = LOSER so yes so please continue to support this loser as it exposes the GOPee as the liars and hypocrites they are.
As far as Cain goes Hey go back to delivering Pizza's LOL!
"And The Beat Goes On ................"
The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da
Charleston was once the rage, uh huh
History has turned the page, uh huh
The mini skirts the current thing, uh huh
Teenybopper is our newborn king, uh huh
The grocery store's the super mart, uh huh
Little girls still break their hearts, uh huh
And men still keep on marching off to war
Electrically they keep a baseball score
Grandmas sit in chairs and reminisce
Boys keep chasing girls to get a kiss
The cars keep going faster all the time
Bums still cry "hey buddy, have you got a dime"
One thing I don't understand about the GOP and TEA Party members and Cain's supporters, they are so worried about abortions, creation via science, teaching of GOD's word, living up to GOD's preachings, treating people equal, and everything about Jesus teaching concerning family values, but they condone a fellow member who is accused of sexual harassment, not once but four times now, and say it is OK, he didn't mean it. Please excuse him for he has sinned. We really don't believe he did anything wrong.
I do not think its a big deal either. Did any of these women call the police or file sexual harassment charges against him? I would postulate that these women are being paid by one of Cains political rivals in an attempt to smear him in the public eye, a.k.a., politics as usual! I would not be surprised at all if Rick Perry has a hand in this (for those of you that do not live in Texas, Perry is a total moron, please do not support him in any way!).
Where are the evidences Derf. If this a case of a regular person I'll think twice, but knowing how far politics go to stay in power or defeat their political enemy, nothing is credible until the accuser show enough proves to declare the defendant guilty of a crime. Other than that this is just a game a game that can destroy the reputation of a man that could be innocent.
Kevin in Texas you asked the question Did any of these women call the police or file sexual harassment charges against him? I will believe that you are from Texas I hear the trouble that is happening in the education system down there and at Perry who is the governor down there, but anyway to answer your question, no they did not go to the police for two reasons 1) it is not a criminal offense and 2) according to company policy they are supposed to keep it inside the company they did complain to the board od directors tthey did make formal charges against Cain in hope that those in charge would see that it did not happen again to them or other women employees, if you would/could read and understand what has been said your question has already been answered yet you still did not know or understand, stay in Texas please.
Concensual sex between 2 adults is not illegal...sexual harassment is.
All these women got together 12 years ago, decided to make complaints against him, so that when he ran for president 12 years later, they could capitalize on his fame, in order to destroy his chances of becoming president. Makes perfect sense to a teabagger.
The real question to ask yourself is "Do I want to vote for someone that openly lies and shows contemp for a large portion of the middle class.Then uses his position of power to mislead for his own financial gain.All along saying o ya but i am a stand up guy.I can fix things.The longer this man goes on the more of a jerk he becomes.
I don't agree that what Clinton did was the same thing. He had a long affair with Jennifer Flowers. She was a willing participant in her relationship with Clinton. She decided to spill the beans when he was running for president. Grouping a woman who has come to you for a job and telling her "you know what you need to do if you want a job" , is quite different. If cain did this, he was using his position to treat women badly. Clinton fooled around with willing participants. Not to defend Bills behavior, but it's not the same.
(article) nearly six in 10 GOP Tea Party supporters -- say they aren't concerned about the sexual-harassment allegations directed at Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain.
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This is somewhat misleading. "No" we are not concerned if the charges are trumped up and it is a hatchet job by the Left. However, yesterday's new conference, put a real face on the allegations. Now, it is not enough for Cain to say, "it didn't happen". No, today, Cain, if this is his tact, must say, "not only didn't it happen, my 100 lawyers are going to sue this woman to hell and back."
Otherwise, the "not concerned" becomes "Herm is a perv" and this is the kiss of death.
The comparison will Bill Clinton's female woes being ignored when he ran.. to the Cain issue brings to mind another good example of the media treating stories like this with varying degrees of outrage...the press hunted down every little tidbit regarding George Bush's history with alcohol and also went on the prowl for any information connecting him to illegal drug use.
Barack Obama even wrote in his book that he had smoked a lot of dope when he was younger and also snorted his share of cocaine...and not a word was heard from the bulk of the American media during the campaign. He got a free pass. Fearing nothing, Mr. Obama even responded to a comment about Mr. Clinton's laughable answer that he had smoked pot but "did not inhale"...by answering "That was the point".
marci...
I think Bill Clinton's treatment of some of his other women, such as Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, and Catherine Willey would suggest that "fooling around" is not a very accurate description. That's some nasty business.
And the press just sat there while Clinton's machine destroyed Ms. Jones...then pretty much ignored Ms. Willey and Ms. Broderick...despite the ugliness of their stories.
"Barack Obama even wrote in his book that he had smoked a lot of dope when he was younger and also snorted his share of cocaine..."
No, that's not what he said.
So Jeff am I supposed to infer that its Bill Clintons sex life that created 23 million jobs? Because Herman Cain sure isn't giving us anything to convince me that he could create a complete sentence let alone a job.
Curious... especially since they held SO much poutrage for Weiner.
More Republican double standards?
Double standards? You don't think ?? The right wing radio nuts say it is all a Media smear, hey so what Hermi is a little perv-does he like little boys to??
Hey - Not as Stupid, you suppose you could define 'poutrage?'
Cause it seemed that many libbies were a little outraged at Weiner, or have you forgotten.
Now Not - was the outrage at the dick shots, or the lying?
I bet you don't like getting lied to, do you Not?
Hey, Not - you ever been "Hacked?"
I was brutal on Wiener if you recall Spanky, I called for his head on a platter, and I was a big fan of his right up until the moment he pullled his punkstunts.
Well good moring Spank... oh - it is AFTER noon now.
True, spanky, very true... unlike your rightwingers as the headline states. We don't go for that stuff, even when it is our own, again, unlike YOU guys.
Correct again (2 in a row!) So why do you continue to post the stuff you post? Because I don't like it?
Why? You have something planned?
BTW: I have to go look. Did you post a response to my attempt to an "in depth discussion" on a "legitimate" topic that I put up this morning?
I'll check it out.
If you are so upset by Cain because he's a Republican and because he is morally corrupt, then why didn't you do something about Clinton? I don't understand why liberals would allow Clinton to remain in office and not have the same respect for Cain? Keep in mind, Clinton preyed upon a 21 year old woman, someone hardly an adult and most likely too scared to have said no. At least these women were well past that age. Why would they wait until now to say something if not for political gain?
I find it hard to believe that so many people do not get the difference between a consensual relationship and a sexual assault. Do they not understand the difference? How do they treat there wives?
The difference between Cain and all these other men that are brought up is that for the former we are still in the allegation stage, With the others, it was proven that they did what they were accused of doing. Big difference people. I can say that Cain, both Hilary and Bill Clinton made sexual advances toward me, but does that make it true? How about being a little objective and wait for all of it to come out before judging? You people are vicious!!!!!!
Yeah, I am sure that the NRA gave these women a year's salary and a clause that they could not talk for nothing. Heck, if it is that easy, think I should just write the NRA and give them my address where to send a year's salary to.
Weiner. ... double standards?
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In the case of Weiner, there was EVIDENCE. Audio-visual evidence. Proof. Real Proof. There DEFINITELY IS a difference. If this woman has any REAL PROOF, I would like to see it.
Weiner did not break the law...only his marriage vows. Infidelity is not illegal, sexual harassment is.
Better be careful Greg: Caine wanted to "see it" too and that is what has him in trouble....
LOL
But, they are so very concerned when someone on the left is involved in a sexual matter. Could they possibly be (shudder) hypocrites?
Truth will out....
I think you might be on to something there phinephancy, lol. Sort of reinforces that saying.....hypocrisy they name is...............ta da, Republican. No doubt they'll find a different way to spin it or deflect it.
LOL Because no liberals are hypocrites.....noooooo. Thanks I needed a laugh.
Tea-Baggers/Republicans don't care about women's rights! Repubs are still upset that women have the right to vote. I would not be surprise if they tried to repeal their right to vote!!
You mind citing your source on this?
Bob, don't know how you folks feel on women's voting rights. Know you all are sure interested in a woman's uterus. And as for voting rights, the GOP seems real eager to try and suppress a lot of them for the ones who might not vote the GOP way.
Nobody needs a source Bob. We all know it's true.
Republican ideals and morals disgust the majority of intelligent people.
The hateful leftist attack dogs in this forum disgust the majority of intelligent people.
This intelligent post explains the Single. The fact you weren't neutered explains the fact you were able to reproduce. The fact you are a moonbat is a result of being bullied when you were young.
Single Dad,
Nobody needs a source Bob. We all know it's true.
FYI
If you are going to post here, and someone calls on you to supply a source, it would be in your best interest to do so.
Seriously, they don't play around.
Well Bob, how about Coulter saying so and getting massive support from the neocons?
You wanted an example well you got one.
Speaking of Ann Coulter, don't you think our blacks are better than their blacks, although I must admit that maybe their Mexicans are better than our Mexicans, how about Asians who has the best Asians.
Bob! Here is one for you!
Time to repeal the 19th Amendment?
Posted by Thomas Mitchell
Friday, Apr. 16, 2010 at 07:26 AM
Bias is not a good thing. Right? We all agree on that, don’t we?
People and candidates for public office should be judged on the basis of their ideas, stance on the issues, character, experience and integrity, not on the basis of age, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion or disability.
Therefore, we must repeal the 19th Amendment. Yes, the one granting suffrage to women. Because? Well, women are biased.
Just look at the poll results in today’s newspaper.
Men favored the attractive former beauty queen Sue Lowden over the graying Harry Reid by 22 points, while women shunned their gender mate, choosing Reid by a 2-point margin. Which proves women favor Democrats.
Not convinced? Well let’s back it up a week and look at the poll results published this past Sunday.
In a head-to-head match among Reid, Lowden and Tea Party pretender Scott Ashjian, the men favored Lowden by 19 points over Reid and women picked Reid by a 3-point margin. Ashjian was in single digits.
But change the Republican option from Lowden to former basketball star Danny Tarkanian and it is a different tale. Men still favored the Republican by 16 points and doubled their support by Ashjian to 15 points. Women, on the other hand, chose Reid by 16 points, proving they’d rather vote for a woman than a male Republican.
Men are consistent. Women are fickle and biased.
Not convinced?
Then look down the questionnaire to the 3rd Congressional District race pitting Republican Dr. Joe Heck against Democratic incumbent Dina Titus. Men went with Heck 58-36, while women leaned toward Titus 52-40.
Repeal.
National Review’s John Derbyshire: Women Should Not Have The Right To Vote
Makes you wonder if they'll pull out the Herman Cain "I was only joking - but I'm for it" defense if confronted.
Thank you so much Bob Jones.
You have proven my point completely with your derogatory comment.
Not that I expect you to understand what derogatory means.
Bob Jones said the following.
"This intelligent post explains the Single. The fact you weren't neutered explains the fact you were able to reproduce. The fact you are a moonbat is a result of being bullied when you were young."
So from these comments I can easily come to the conclusion that Republicans morals are even worse than I previously thought. This so called "man" basically said that I deserve to be single. The only reason I have children is because I wasn't neutered (I'd like to see the prick try) and oh ya, the extremely intelligent comment that I am a moonbat and should have been bullied as a child.
Name calling, hmmmmmmmmmm....how ah Republican of you Bob and thanks again for helping to prove my point.
Both sides are hypocrites. There, case settled.
Of course the GOP isn't concerned about allegations of sexual harassment. It's a "red badge of courage" to them.
Wow remember the S-- storm about Clinton and the Democrats with no morals, Limbaugh screamed about it every day, guess the Tea Baggers don't care if it is one of their own!!
I smell 15 minutes of fame. Gloria Allred???!!!
Where was this woman in the 1990s? Why no informal complaint? And remember that the two informal complaints were ended with what are known as "nuisance fees" of $45,000 and $35,000. The women chose not to file legal cases - there were never depositions taken under oath - no litigation period. The women and their attorneys accepted the "nuisance fees" - and that was that. No legal settlement ala the Paula Jones' case of $800,000.
One other note. Does it strike anyone else as a tad bit odd that there seem to be copy-cat cases emerging with these two additional women - #s 3 and 4 - from the short NRA tenure of Mr. Cain - and absolutely nothing from the rest of his long 40 year plus business career?? Kind of curious
No. As with many cases with a bully, the victims are scared. Sometimes all it takes is one or two people to stand up and more will follow. No one wants to be first.
There is also the fact that settlements like this often include a "gag order" banning those involved from discussing it. That's the reason why it's called "Hush Money". However, that doesn't stop others from discussing the case - fortunately.
Anyone with half a brain knows that cases such as this are difficult to prove in a court of law; hence the company offers a settlement when the internal investigation reveals harrassment.
I`m not surprised at the findings. After all, the victims were women. The Bible says " be sure your sins will find you out"
too bad the murderer teddy is dead, he would so enjoy coming up with lies to make Cain's wife cry.
I suspect that finding she was married to a horndog lothario is what's making her cry now. It's going to be interesting to see if she turns a blind eye, or forgives and carries on like Hillary did, or divorces the lying scumbag.
It's a good thing they don't matter because there are more on the way.
I'll bet they matter to the NRA, they paid out two cash settlements to two different women who had complaints against Cain. I guess lightening does strike the same place twice.
Of course this isn't an issue for the party of no, save only when it's a Democrat that is being accused.
maybe the reasons these allegations "don't matter" are that Republicans (1) don't care about the truth and (2) only believe what fox news tells them to believe...
anita hill will be so proud, wonder if she is getting any royalty-like liar money on this.
Well, the Clarence Thomas case is certainly another case of Republicans ignoring sexual mis-behavior when it is one of their own.
There wasn't any hush money being paid to Anita Hill, otherwise she couldn't have testified. There wasn't any "liar money" paid, either.
Cain, not worth a comment.
It's all about character.
Sure those in the GOP don't care, but they should. It's going to take people with incredible character and courage to clean up the corrupt aspects of the American government.
Corruption has been eating away at the character of the U.S. government and if it doesn't stop America, as we know it is doomed. Lobbyist have to go, people in the government can't go on to be lobbyists when they leave.
Corruption and bribery have to stop and it's going to take people with charactor to do it. You can't be a lier.
Jon Corzine.
liberal logic:
obviously, if Cain is not capable of properly spinning these accusations, of destroying these women, and dragging them thru the mud deflecting any spotlight on himself...he is not fit to be President.
I think I smell a conservative projecting...
Is anyone really surprised by these poll responses?
I don't know why anybody would be surprised.
After all, for years the leading voice of the Republican/Tea-Bagger coalition has been a drug-addicted, money-laundering, child-molesting gas bag from West Palm Beach, Florida.
Moral corruption only ppears to be cause for criticism if the subject of the discussion is a Democrat or liberal.
Surprised? Not a bit! It's the same old tired Republican nonsense.
Tom
Help us with the child molesting charge. Where is the information on this. He shook off the drug stuff, no hard time. Please post your source for the kiddy molestation.
Tom
Help us with the child molesting charge. Where is the information on this. He shook off the drug stuff, no hard time. Please post your source for the kiddy molestation.
Time to pop the popcorn. They (the GOP) are starting to eat their own. Time to sit back and watch.
Yes, it's very entertaining and yet so sad. These GOP nominees are the best this party has to offer? Really? Pretty damn scary actually.
Wouldn't bother me if this harrasment deal went away. Cain can lose on his own on just 'nahn nahn nahn' alone.....who needs this, too?
Where is Mrs. Cain, we have not seen her yet, I got a feeling that poor women is just now learning what we are learning, I think she has been blind sided by her own husband. The pizza man better hide those rolling pins!
Forrest,
In an interview with Fox, Cain said his wife would not be venturing too far into the public eye.
'You won't see my family out on the campaign trail on a day-to-day basis,'
Gloria 'has a life' and that while she will endure some 'limited exposure' she doesn't want to be at every campaign stop.
He described his wife as 'introverted' and explained that she will not be the typical 'campaign wife'.
Cain said his wife at first was terrified! Scared to death!' This before the allegations of sexual harassment.
I feel sorry for his wife. Talk about being thrown into the lions' den. geez!
Maybe by scared to death he really meant mad as hell.
I feel sorry for her too Thetotas, I really think this is the first she is hearing about all this, and the man settled and paid twice without attempting to clear himself of all charges, I don't think the high cost of legal fees would be an acceptable excuse for the wife of a multi millionaire. I can see why she is not on the campaign trail with him, who wants the world to watch your wife beat you on the head with a rolling pin! Seriously though, I think the lady has probably been blindsided, I feel sorry for her and their children. Cain can buy a lot with his cash, but no matter how rich you are you can't buy a good reputation.
I bet it has been pretty chilly where ever Cain has slept this last week or so.
Cain has climbed into the coffin, all that's needed now is to bury the scum. Teabaggers don't care if you're a rapist or a sexual predator/deviant or a pedophile, because those qualifiactions are on their ' that's ok with us' check list.
Uh, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Anthony Weener... need I say more.
The only qualifications that matter to the Teapublicans is a desire to cut their taxes and eliminate those pesky safety and environmental regulations that cut into their profit margins. Honesty and Morality are not on their checklist.
sanford vitter craig ensign foley....need i say more...notice all the dems were with girls....not prositute stings men boys south american mistresses or his employees wife...
Come on, it's not like he was married when he was soliciting these women for sex...oh wait. Since 1968!?! And these are the women who didn't take him up on the offer. How many women since 1968 have? My assumption is that he will get an endorsement from a family values organization this week.
DanDan, I was just thinking the same thing. How many women DID take him up on his offer(s) and how many of those women are still out there somewhere? They won't speak out because they consented for whatever reason, so we'll never likely know. . .UNLESS the Perry camp goes looking for them and offers them mega-bucks to tell their tales. This story is FAR from over, I don't care WHAT Cain says or doesn't say. I do believe Perry's campaign is a lost cause, but Mitt Romney can certainly ride the wave! Republicans eating their own. . .should be a Fox produced weekly sitcom! That's one show I'd watch inspite of my self-imposed Fox boycott! You CANNOT make this stuff up, people!
Why does the liberal media keep talking about something that may or may not have taken place since there is no proof and no facts to support it while there are women being raped and these ocuppy protests and the protest leaders are telling them to keep thier mouths shut because it will hurt the "movement"?
Because it is for the "collective good". A few women having to suffer for the good of the cause is worth it to these people.