Paul goes to Bachmann's district; part of focus on caucus states

ST. CLOUD, Minn. -- Ron Paul took his presidential campaign here yesterday to Michele Bachmann’s congressional district in Minnesota, a non-early nominating state. Paul got a big ovation from about 3,000 attendees on what was the first day of deer-hunting season.

“Boy, what a nice reception,” Paul told the crowd. “It got my attention. It sure identifies the fact the revolution is alive and well.”

It’s all part of Paul’s unorthodox focus on caucus states in an effort to rack up delegates in places other campaigns might not be focusing, a senior Paul campaign source says.

Raising money and organization were both part of the event, where Paul hit many of his usual talking points on foreign and domestic policy. Minnesota Campaign Chair Marianne Stebbins was on stage asking the crowd for donations -- each seat in the Convention Center had envelopes in a "goody bag" for supporters to mail donations. The bag also included Paul campaign literature and a bumper sticker.

Stebbins then asked for people to volunteer in district offices, to make phone calls, and to help get voters to attend the caucus on Election Day, Feb. 7. In 2008, Mitt Romney won the GOP Minnesota caucus with 41% of the vote, followed by John McCain with 22%, Mike Huckabee with 20% and Ron Paul with 16%. 

This is the third time in the last six weeks (in three different states), where more than 1,000 supporters have attended a Ron Paul campaign rally -- on Sept. 23 in Baton Rouge, LA, where the campaign says “more than 1,300 Louisiana State University students, supporters, and community members” attended; and on Oct. 21 in Iowa City, IA, where more than 1,200 “members of the University of Iowa and general community” attended an event during homecoming weekend.

Paul once again seemed to sympathize with Anwar al-Awlaki -- an al Qaeda-linked, but American-born Muslim cleric -- killed in a Drone strike in Yemen, calling his death an assassination.

“We have so little respect for the rule of law, whether it’s domestically or internationally,” Paul charged. “We have become known as a country that endorses torture, don’t pay attention to habeas corpus, we have secret prisons around the world.  … We now have an announced policy by this president that this is legitimate policy to assassinate American citizens. No charges made no trial, the president himself becomes the prosecution, the judge the jury and the executioner.”

Paul went further, telling the crowd about Awlaki’s 16-year-old son Abdulrahm al-Awlaki, who was also killed in a separate Drone attack.

“That wasn’t enough,” Paul said of killing the elder al-Awlaki. “They thought his son was much involved and therefore a week or so later they sent another cruise missile, drone attack, they bombed and killed his son, Awlaki’s son. … They don’t talk about this case…. The kid was 16-years-old, was in the backyard barbequing with a friend of his. He was never charged. … What we must worry about is the rule of law, because it protects us and that has to be protected.”

Paul ended his speech by citing one of the Founding Fathers, Samuel Adams, and his belief that it does not take a majority to prevail.

“We need an irate, tireless minority willing to stand up and spread the brushfires of freedom in the minds and hearts of the American people,” Paul thundered. “And I believe that is what is happening; our time has arrived.”

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Ron Paul won the GOP Straw Poll in IL yesterday - it only cost ya $5 bucks to cast a vote! lol

Meanwhile, bat crap crazy Bachmann spent $40 bucks a vote to win the IA Straw Poll...

What is wrong with this picture?

Talk about a joke...

  • 15 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:04 PM EST

Even the most blind party loyalist has to wonder why the Republican party just keeps trying to ignore this guy. Ron Paul wants to end the Fed. That means the Big Money will never allow hime to win. Watch and see, little or no coverage in the mainstream media, from either sides bought and paid for news outlets. What do you think of the Fed feisty? I'm asking you for an intelligent opinion, not some crazy rah rah stuff. What do you think about the Fed?

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 12:33 AM EST

Common Sense, you know better to ask carrot top any question so late in the day! At midnight she's still trolling truck stops for free boilermakers....

I like Ron Paul's answer to the Fed, I'm sure most of us do! I'm not sure everyone is on board with Paul's whole package though... still ABO sounds very attractive!

  • 12 votes
#1.2 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 7:18 AM EST

Ron Paul is America's only hope to remain great.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 11:06 AM EST

Steve I thought she might come back early while I was sleeping (I work nights). I should have known better.

    #1.4 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 2:09 PM EST

    She never replies to anyone with a valid point that challenges her.

      #1.5 - Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:30 PM EST
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      Ron Won the Illinois GOP poll by 52% !!!

      Funny how the "PEOPLE" polls read differently than the "MEDIA" polls...

      • 22 votes
      Reply#2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:28 PM EST

      If Ron Paul won the Illinois poll by 52%, I'll bet Karl Rove has heartburn, I may have to send Karl a big bottle of Tums before Ron Paul gives the poor guy a bleeding ulcer.

      • 8 votes
      #2.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 11:26 PM EST

      If I could I would give DAD's post 3 thousand "ups"... The last thirty years or so I have noticed the mainstream media is becoming more and more a tool used by the wealthy to manipulate the masses. Trust none of them.

      • 13 votes
      #2.2 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:02 AM EST
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      Wow, MSN actually wrote something about Ron Paul that was laden with libel and out of context quotes. To me Ron Paul is an honest man that is combining the best of both parties; I wish people would take an in-depth look at his politics instead of blindly trusting the media's most recent biased criticisms. Go Ron Paul!

      • 13 votes
      Reply#3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:31 PM EST

      Now if Fox would only acknowledge his existence.

      • 9 votes
      #3.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:47 PM EST

      Almost all media outlets are owned by the same crooks, the ones that Ron wants to end the party for, thats why they do everything they can to keep him out of the spotlight. Most of his views are now being echoed by others, yet the media still does their beest to misquote him and make him look crazy I especially like when they twist the fact that cour contitution says individual states should determine state laws and the media says "So if Iowa voted to legalize Heroin, you would legalize Heroin"!!! anyone who falls for this BS is a complete idiot!

      Don't forget in 2006 when he correctly predicted the financial meltdown everryone called him crazy then too!

        #3.2 - Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:40 PM EST

        By the way the only FACTS in the article are what was passed in his district, it is the authors OPINION that he voted no on "bills he knew would pass" He fails to mention that he also voted no on all the others. He is the most honest politician we have, speculation is the only tool the media has to make him look dirty, but that certainly does not stop them. Can you please site one instance Ron Paul has flip flopped or broken a campaign promise? I didn't think so.

          #3.3 - Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:06 PM EST
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          Ron Paul does NOT " sympathize with Anwar al-Awlaki", he demands that our Constitutional protections of due process be available to all American citizens. He took an oath to defend the Constitution, you see, and respects that oath.

          The question is, why is he the ONLY one of them who seems to respect that oath and our Constitution?

          • 11 votes
          Reply#4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 6:41 PM EST

          blindly trusting the media's most recent biased criticisms. Go Ron Paul!


          Ron Paul doesn't have good ideas, just interesting ones that would work back in the 1950's. Unfortunately for Paul, we have double the population we had back in the 1950's,and black people get to vote. He is not electable outside of his district.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#5 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 6:44 PM EST

          Ron Paul is unelectable, and only those who have little understanding of the modern world governments, the Constitution, and the nation believe otherwise.

          • 9 votes
          #5.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 6:53 PM EST

          Are you ready to sit back and watch the Ron Paul cult members make their presence known NDD? lol

          Welcome to Paul-Town 2011!

          • 11 votes
          #5.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:03 PM EST

          He is not electable outside of his district.

          Wow, you mind telling me what next week's lotto numbers are? Wish I could predict who will win and who wont like you can.
          Ron Paul can win or lose same as any other candidate regardless what anyone's opinion may be, because it ultimately comes down to votes. So would you mind telling us what makes his district different from anywhere else? If he can be elected multiple times in his district, than he can be elected anywhere.

          The man is principled and honest and even if nothing else gets done if he is elected as president, he will bring the troops home. He still needs congress to get most other things done though, so what makes you think that just because hes elected president he can do anything he wants? Are we that far gone that we think of presidents as kings now?

          • 8 votes
          #5.3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:04 PM EST

          No kidding Feisty. But you have to give them this: they are an entertaining bunch!

          • 8 votes
          #5.4 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:08 PM EST

          they are an entertaining bunch!

          Here have some *popcorn* ;o)

          Nothing says 'American' like reverting to the 19th Century!

          Who else misses the pony express & women NOT being able to VOTE! lol

          • 9 votes
          #5.5 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:19 PM EST

          The popcorn is particularly good tonight. Do you think that Paul voters know that he is quite fond of earmarks? You would think that would bother them a tad.

          • 9 votes
          #5.6 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:22 PM EST

          earmarks? do tell NDD...

          Tell all the wingnuts about earmarks please.

          • 2 votes
          #5.7 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST

          Ron Paul will never get the republican nomination, however he does have a loyal fan base and his ideas often sound appealing to young people, he will syphon votes from the candidates because many of his loyal supporters will write his name in even if he is not on the ballot, however I think it will impact the republican candidate to a much greater extent than Obama. I don't know if he is locked in as running as a republican, or if that was just a shrewd move on his part to get some exposure in their venues, and then when he does not get the nomination he may run as an independent again, which is what I hope he does because as I said I believe he will split more votes off the republicans than the democrats.

          • 6 votes
          #5.8 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:57 PM EST

          Forrest, careful you're showing your desperation again. The left has realized the only chance that Obama has for re-election is a third party candidate from the right to spilt votes. No way he wins a one on one election.

          Not a day goes by here that several on the left express their hope that happens. Don't know if a third party from the right will run. If someone does it will ensure an Obama victory.

          What is funny, though, is the left will consider that a victory.

          What's not funny is that, for our country, it will be anyhting but.

          • 4 votes
          #5.9 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:43 PM EST

          No desperation for me WCA, at this point Obama leads every single republican candidate in a head to head match-up, he leads them in Ohio, Florida, and I must admit to my surprise even in NC, unless republicans can find this Generic guy and get him to run they are probably going to be disappointed. Check out the polls, all the polls, Obama beats every one of the republican candidates in a head to head match-up and his numbers are inching up. Even if you had a better candidate the republicans in Congress are making it tougher everyday for your eventual nominee. What I would really like to see is Cain get the nod because all the polls I have seen indicate that would make it a blowout for Obama. It is not going to be as easy as a lot of republicans have hoped it would be to beat Obama, there is nothing to indicate he will lose in a landslide as many republicans on this blog propose. The ABO chant is what really indicates some desperation on the part of republicans, anybody is not a candidate, and it is looking like none of the republican candidates are the somebody that can beat him, not at the moment anyway. BTW if you can consider the supreme court ruling against Gore a victory you should have no complaints about Paul possibly spilting republican votes.

          • 3 votes
          #5.10 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 11:11 PM EST

          Times up NDD so here is a statement about earmarks; not all that hard to find.

          http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-11/ron-paul-on-earmarks/

          • 1 vote
          #5.11 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 12:48 AM EST

          Gosh, the naivete of the Paul cult members never ceases to make me laugh hysterically! Do you all wear helmets and have keepers to get through the day?

          Paul is a big old fat hypocrite, and only those truly able to delude themselves believe otherwise. Spending is spending. Paul either wants to measure spending against the Constitution, or he doesn't. The truth is that he wants to measure other state's spending against the Constitution, while his escapes scrutiny. The fact is he brings plenty of pork back to his district, which is why those morons keep electing him.

          Paul's favorite trick? Stick his particular fat into a bill that he knows is going to pass, and then vote against the bill so that he can keep his claim to be against spending.

          And you people buy it. Not too bright.

          Have someone read and explain to you: The Hypocrisy of Congressman Ron Paul. Redstate, Wed Apr 14, 2011 Jeff Dunetz. Most understandable article I can find, and I know you Paul cultists can't accept much information.

          Paul is a hypocrite, he knows nothing about the Constitution, the document he refers to is something amorphous bouncing around his own poor little head.

          • 5 votes
          #5.12 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 7:11 AM EST

          Newday

          You read one article by someone who ALWAYS posts negetive articles on Ron Paul (and he came rite out and addmitted it in this one) and you believe all the rubbish. The truth is he voted against them ALL. The ones that passed AND the ones that didn't. Why don't you look at his voting record, the truth is he has voted the way he said he would ever since he has held office and never flip flopped. Please show me ANY other politician that is as credible. Perhaps you are so accustomed to being lied to you have succumbed to it, why not, it's so much easier than spending the time to search for the real truth. If Jeff Dunetz posted an article about how Obama is bankrupting our country would you beleive it?

          • 1 vote
          #5.13 - Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:57 PM EST
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          Ron Paul is an honest man

          Oh, he's honest, all right. But like all Libertarians I've met, he's smug, predictable, one-dimensional and (most of all) naive. If we went down his rosy path we would be right back where the federation of German states was pre-Bismarck days in the mid-nineteenth century: a weak, loose organization of states with no center. We would no longer be the United States.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#6 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:18 PM EST

          Jack: Paul never recovered from the Articles of Confederation. He thinks we are still there.

          • 8 votes
          #6.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:23 PM EST

          newdayDAWNING,

          I fully agree with you. His philosophy mirrors the agrarian thoughts and way of life of that period, too.

          • 7 votes
          #6.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:42 PM EST

          JACK--- I'm not sure what dreamland you live in but we hardly united STATED right now. Paul makes more sense than the rest of the repub candidates though. Here is the real news Hillary 2012!!!

          Hillary 2012.

            #6.3 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 8:04 AM EST
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            Ron Paul spoke in St. Cloud MN. It is the most conservative part of District 6. It is also home to St. Cloud State and St. john's University. It is a easy drive from the Twin Cities.

            Getting 3,000 people is a nice turnout for college kids, and the Ron Paul true believers.

            I am sure the deer hunters passed on this political event. :0)

            • 7 votes
            Reply#7 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:20 PM EST

            He was up our way too Northstar. They had a big sign at the event "legalize capitalism." Did I miss something? Was it outlawed? ; )

            • 8 votes
            #7.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:24 PM EST
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            Repost of when Spanky ran under the porch yesterday.....

            No comment on the ammo dumps at Al Qua Qua eh, Spanky?

            That's OK. With the speed of your retreat you would think I was Feisty.

            I can smell your fear.

            Al Qua Qua is Bush's "Fast and Furious". Except Bush's Al Qua Qua is probably F&F to the eighth power. Terrorist are probably still making IED's with Bush's stolen explosives.

            Doin' a heck of a job Bushie,.....still. And yeah,.....the war is still BUSH's fault.

            Cause last time I bothered to check the soldiers that died over there aren't getting any less dead as time goes on,......unless you're a republikan.

            Good times right "my man"?

            • 7 votes
            Reply#8 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:59 PM EST

            I cannot understand the political dishonesty and semantic generalizations of some people - although I do recognize their ability to be fiercely loyal to their ideology or their party. Ron Paul can be criticized for a number of policy ideas if you disagree with them, however please do not make bold nonsensical criticisms without providing an answer. I can understand why you might believe that his policies turn the historical clock back to a certain extent, however the social changes that have been made are here to stay - the central policy focus of Dr. Paul is upon a bankrupt and corrupt system of organizational structure that no longer works.

            I am a Republican who believes that the party has become ridiculous, especially in its former support of George Bush, and that it need a complete overhaul, similar to the Whig party in 1859-1860. All of the candidates except Dr. Paul desire to maintain the unworkable and untenable situation that we now find ourselves in. I wanted, as an American and a veteran, President Obama to succeed in his efforts - after all, the present crisis is a deeply serious one, and I firmly believe that politics should be set aside when matters get too much out of hand. Well, what do we observe lately? All of the Republican candidates, and the President, support the status quo, which includes deficit spending and the maintenance of Pax Americana around the world. I will make a small prediction; I hope that the President can increase jobs and turn the situation around - but if Dr. Paul is correct, there will only be negative changes that will make the present crisis much worse as the artificial system that has been created (especially since the end of WWII) deteriorates further and spirals out of control. If you disagree with Dr. Paul on ideas that is fine.......however in order for your complaints to be legitimate, please provide answers to the problem. Both the Democrats and Republicans are empty of ideas, and all of their positions, whether derived from the Left, Right, or Center, still support the Military-Industrial Complex.

            Perhaps you are correct; Dr. Paul will only receive between 8-12% of the vote and will once again be ignored and/or kicked aside amidst laughter. However, it is also possible that his support will increase substantially if the economic situation continues to worsen both here and around the globe, and unemployment continues to rise. If the system does not work, then what is the answer save a proposal to restructure the government and discard that which is not realistic or feasible.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#9 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:12 PM EST

            Paul has some valid points, but many of them if taken to their logical conclusion just don't seem workable in the modern world. I will say that he seems to me to be pure in his ideology, but I also think that is his problem, if he was to temper some of his ideas so that components of them could be melded with the political and economic realities of today he could go much further politically and pick up wider support. As it is now he scares the hell out of all things status quo, the good and the bad, that's is why the republican party treats him like the red headed stepchild (no offense Fiesty!), he is a front runner in some respects, but Fox won't even give him the time of day, because he would definitely upset the republican establishment's applecart.

            • 5 votes
            #9.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 9:11 PM EST

            I am a Republican who believes that the party has become ridiculous

            Raymond: Even if I were not a non-Republican I would agree with you.

            These people are nuts. Obama will not win so much on the idea that he is that good. He'll win because the alternative is just idiotic and ridiculous!!

            I really think that Republicans like yourself, when confronted with your options, will just find something else better to do on election day.

            Like getting that root canal they've been putting off, or sorting the sock drawer, or squatting down by the side of the road and rubbing gravel in their hair.

            Repubs just haven't made a strong case that America would have been better off had McCain won. They have not closed the deal with America. They haven't made the case that any one of their candidates can dress themselves let alone run a nation. The party of "Debt Creators" is adrift. Left to peddle the same "trickle down" crap they've been pushing up and down the block for 30 years. It's kinda' sad to watch because we,....and they,...both know they got no other ideas.

            • 7 votes
            #9.2 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 9:46 PM EST

            You tickle me GOP, how about adding another sesame street character along with their beloved Grover to the republican stable, "Trickle Me Elmo". Seriously it is sad that they propose exactly two things to solve any and all problems cut taxes and cut regulations, that is all they have to offer a nation in turmoil.

            • 4 votes
            #9.3 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:11 PM EST
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            Ron Paul is the only one who understands the problems we face and how to fix them. In the 2008 campaign all the other GOP candidates stood on the debate stage railing about how strong the economy was performing. Of course, Ron Paul saw the bubble coming and had warned about it all the way back in 2003.

            You can't fix a spending and debt problem with more spending and debt. Ron Paul is the only one who is serious about changing anything. We've already seen the copious "change" that Obama has brought.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#10 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:15 PM EST

            It never ceases to amaze me how all these people love being lied to.

            Get an honest man up there and some people have a fit.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#11 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:15 PM EST

            It never ceases to amaze me how all these people love being lied to.

            Get an honest man up there and some people have a fit.

            Who are we talking about here, Travis? Elucidate.

            • 2 votes
            #11.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:27 PM EST
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            By "Witold"
            Funny, it's gotten so bad for the GOP. Many republicans, and it's the truth, didn't want Obama to be president cause' he was half black and didn't have enough political experience as a state rep. and senator. Now the GOP front runner (Cain) is 100% black, has no political experience, ran a pizza business, didn't know that China had nukes, wants to eliminate the minimum wage, raise taxes on 80% of Americans, in bed with the Koch brothers, and sexually harasses women .... Yep, that's the best the GOP can do...........
            • 6 votes
            Reply#12 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 9:57 PM EST

            Yeah they contradict themselves a lot, on one hand they say Obama did not have enough experience and knowledge and on the other hand they promote candidates for high office like a "Hockey Mom", "Joe the Plumber" (who isn't even a plumber), and Christine O'Donnell a women with the mind of a 15 year old girl. That is how you eventually get stuck with Nutty, Newty, Fruity, "Can't Make Up My Mind", and "Gonna Get me Some Booty", for presidential candidates.

            • 2 votes
            #12.1 - Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:46 PM EST

            I'm a black dem and I don't want either one ,Obama or Cain. Why is it you bring up race so damn much?I don't give a flyin' F@@@ what color anyone is,but as long a people bring up the color of skin there will always be racism. As long as people use their color as an excuse to be poor there will always be racism. It wasn't easy but I have survived the South Side of Chicago I NEVER USED my skin color as a way to stay poor or get a free pass to the promise land. I earned it. I thought Mr. Obama felt the same way but he doesn't he wants to give everything away and we can't afford it.

            Hillary 2012

            • 2 votes
            #12.2 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 8:26 AM EST
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            Say what you want about Ron Paul. He is committed to end the absolutely disastrous wars that have been foisted on us by the neo-con/neo-lib elements of BOTH parties.

            Obama, on the other hand, is just another war criminal. Another consul, shuffling the imperial troops around the empire. I voted for him enthusiastically, thinking (stupidly) that he was being coy about specifics because he didn't want to upset centrists. Welcome to Bush III.

            Ron Paul's positions are crystal clear, and agree or disagree, those of you who accuse him of irrelevancy or "agrarian thoughts" (please explain what you mean by that one, btw, "Jack;" in what way are Paul's policies specifically agrarian? Thought so...)

            Paul would end the war on drugs. Another unmitigated decades long national disaster.

            Paul is against NAFTA, and understands the importance of restoring manufacturing in America.

            Paul is against the bailouts, and all corporatist handouts by the government (and the Federal Reserve) to private firms.

            The rest of the Republicans are repulsive, obviously, while Obama remains charming and witty as ever. I'm sure all you satisfied "Democrats" are right. Obama will win. He is the bankers' man, and has been since the beginning of his political career. Obama chose Lieberman, one of the most loathsome men in government, as his personal mentor. Any "progressive" who still views Obama in a favorable light is well and truly deluded, and I have no expectation that anything can change such a mind.

            For those of you on the fence: I urge you to investigate Paul and his ideas for yourselves, particularly in light of the absolute failure of current economic and foreign policies, and of the prescience with which he has predicted our current distress. There is a good reason the mainstream press ignores his perspective and candidacy. He would overturn the current order.

            • 7 votes
            Reply#13 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 12:02 AM EST

            Matt the problem is that even if Paul gets elceted except for the military as CIC he is powerless to do anything he will only get what Congress will give him, look at how republicans in Congress block Obama's agenda they will not pass anything he proposes even if it was previously their idea (with the exception of tax cuts) do you think Congress is going to let Ron Paul dismantle their gravy-train. Except as CIC the president is virtually powerless without a willing Congress. I don't believe they would be willing to go along with Paul and legislate a good portion of his agenda. I can tell from your last sentence you must already know that.

            • 2 votes
            #13.1 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 12:24 AM EST

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              #13.2 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:15 AM EST

              FG- I'm sure you're right. Still, the presidency is the most powerful bully pulpit on planet Earth (though you wouldn't know it from our current Pres.), and Paul's ideas are extremely compelling, if Americans are ever allowed to really hear them.

              Plus, as you indicate, he'd be able to dismantle the military empire. Even if that's all he ever did, can you imagine? (No more $20,000,000,000.00 per year for air conditioning in Iraq and Afghanistan, for starters.)

              Just imagine the boost that a change like that would make, economically, diplomatically, and spiritually (or morally, if you prefer). Scratch that. I don't think it's possible to imagine. At least, I can't do it. Our country is so totally immersed in militarism that it's hard to see what that dynamic affects and how.

              Anyway, you make a good point. Maybe OWS will end up doing a bit of housecleaning with regard to the functioning and responsiveness of Congress? I don't know. There are a few reasons left to maintain hope out here, and that's a pretty damn good one: people are finally getting together!

              • 3 votes
              #13.3 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:16 AM EST

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                #13.4 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:17 AM EST

                Obviously we need a strong military, but I was against these two wars from day one, I don't feel threatened by two countries that don't have a navy, or an air force and that are on the other side of the world. The only thing they can do to harm is it seems is small arms fire and IED's, if we would leave we would be out of range, maybe they know something I don't but I never did get it. The money spent is sorely needed here, with 15 million people unemployed and losing everything. I still think our current problems stem more from republicans in Congress than the president. Obama is trying to be responsive to the unemployment problem and the concerns of the OWS protesters, but republicans in Congress relish tying his hands every chance they get, they have openly stated right from the go that their top priority was to make sure he was a one term president, and they don't care who or what becomes collateral damage in their political war. I don't see them treating Ron Paul any better. Republicans won't even address the OWS protesters, as of yet all they offer is insults, and to double down on the very things they are protesting. I don't know if you consider yourself a republican, democrat, or independent, but I would urge you not to vote republican in Congressional elections, for those very reasons. Democrats have their problems as well, but they have demonstrated they are willing to compromise, and represent a wider array of options and solutions. Whereas the republicans have been absolutely unyielding, claiming all the time the American people want this, or the American people want that, even when the polls show otherwise, and even when people are in the streets protesting. Nothing will change for the better no matter who the president is if we elect people to Congress that turn a deaf ear to the American people. Have a good evening Matt.

                • 2 votes
                #13.5 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 2:00 AM EST
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                Ron Paul's time is here and now. He is the breath of fresh air this republic needs to survive. No question about it he's the real deal and will make a great leader as president of the country. Ron Paul 2012.

                • 6 votes
                Reply#14 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:45 AM EST

                Not if he has to depend on a republican controlled Congress to legislate his agenda.

                • 1 vote
                #14.1 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 2:14 AM EST
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                I don't always agree with him (parts of his foreign policy) but at least I know he's being honest and speaking what he really believes. I can respect that and wish he'd get more media exposure. Maybe an upset in Iowa will do that!

                • 2 votes
                Reply#15 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:29 AM EST

                Ron Paul has got it wrong regarding Anwar al-Awlaki. If you are a traitor, treason is punishable by death. If you declare war on the USA, the rules of war apply and you will be killed. Anwar al-Awlaki chose to die as an enemy combatant. May he burn in hell with Bin Laden.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#16 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 4:41 AM EST

                This country is drifting ever more steadily into the economic shoals of bankruptcy. With the expansion of both the warfare and welfare state, the currency must be inflated to pay for it and the people rendered serfs. Each successive President has met weak challenge to the expansion of the powers of the executive. As government power increases, through any branch or bureaucracy, freedom decreases. Totalitarianism is a real possibility during any economic crisis but we're in the mother of all economic meltdowns. It can come from the left or the right. Maybe Obama would never do that.... Maybe he'd never kill US citizens without due process or any oversight. Maybe the next guy won't be such a Nobel Peace Prize winning, Constitutional scholar. Maybe he'll see the Constitution as something from the "agrarian" age and not worthy of more than lip service.

                Ron Paul is the only one running that would stop the madness abroad and restore civil liberties at home. The former he could do via executive order. The later, once articulated by a President Paul, would be hard for congressman to defend? You're against the Bill of Rights, is that right congressman? Ron Paul, if he wins, would obviously have a mandate for change, real change this time. Would he accomplish everything? Hardly. Would he change the direction the country is headed in terms of bankruptcy and a Leviathan State? Absolutely!

                • 2 votes
                Reply#17 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 6:27 AM EST

                Wide Awake--You are right you don't see many Nobel peace prize winners in charge of killing so many people. You don't see many Nobel peace prize winners dividing a county like this one. You don't see....class warfare used to anger each side. It goes on and on. We (me include) made a big mistake letting someone with no clue on how to run a small business, let alone the most powerful country ever.Mr Obama I like a great deal but he duped us with this "Hope and Change" b.s.

                Ron Paul has "SOME" good ideas but he is unelectable as always. Hillary is still our best chance of survival. There is some talk amongst dems about it not just crazy little me.

                  #17.1 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 8:14 AM EST

                  Hillary is not running and will not run.

                    #17.2 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 8:28 AM EST

                    Hillary will not run against Obama, so it is moot, but even if she did, it would be more of the same. She is status quo through and through. She's already revealed her stripes as a more hawkish "Warrior" than Obama.

                    • 1 vote
                    #17.3 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 11:14 AM EST
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                    "...we have secret prisons around the world."

                    Come on now. How can we have secret prisons if Ron Paul is telling folks that we have secret prisons. They are not secret anymore, we just don't know where they are.

                      Reply#18 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 12:57 PM EST

                      "This country is drifting ever more steadily into the economic shoals of bankruptcy. With the expansion of both the warfare and welfare state, the currency must be inflated to pay for it and the people rendered serfs."

                      Exactly, and we must address this dire situation of impending Federal Bankruptcy by eliminating the Federal Income Tax. Ron Paul believes that income taxes are immoral and should be eliminated.

                      No need to inflate the currency. Since the Federal Government will have to subsist on tariffs and liquor taxes, it will shrink down to a thousand or so politicians and civil servants. The economy will change, we will all raise chickens and pay for our medical care with eggs. The US will adopt a barter economy and the Wall Street derivative traders will be milking goats.

                        Reply#19 - Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:10 PM EST
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