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Subscribe to RSSTHE WOODLANDS, Texas -- A combative Herman Cain defied his staff and commented on the sexual harassment allegations that have been dogging his candidacy for nearly a week, telling media that "everything had been answered."
After a generally cordial and policy-filled debate between Cain and fellow Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich, the former businessman took questions from reporters during a press conference in which event organizers told reporters the focus needed to be entitlement spending.
"Don't even go there," Cain told a reporter who began asking about the harassment allegations. Cain then asked his chief of staff, Mark Block, to deliver the reporter a copy of the "journalistic code of ethics."
But the exchange spurred more questions for Cain on whether he would comment on reports that two of his employees received money after complaining he had sexually harassed them while head of the National Restaurant Association.
"Are you not going to answer questions about this ever again?" a reporter asked Cain.
With a grin he said, "You got it," and began to leave the room to a barrage of shouted questions.
But before making it to the door, he stopped and said, "I was going to do something that my staff told me not to do and try to respond, OK?"
As he began talking, Cain staffers told him he needed to leave – but Cain sat back down.
"We are getting back on message, end of story. Back on message. Read all of the other accounts, read all the accounts, where everything has been answered in a story. We’re getting back on message," he said.
Before tonight’s debate, Texas Patriots PAC, who organized the event, made clear the focus would be on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Questions about the allegations were off limits, but event organizers declined to say who made that decision.
Cane came to Texas for the one-on-one debate with Gingrich, a former speaker of the House, moderated by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. The 500 people who paid $200 to attend the event saw two candidates largely in agreement on the need to reform entitlement programs and cut Washington spending.
The event came one day after an attorney for one Cain’s accusers spoke publicly and said his client filed the complaint "in good faith" but wishes to remain private and doesn't want to tell her side of the story.
The only hint of the recent controversy surrounding Cain’s candidacy came at the end of the debate, when Gingrich asked if anything surprised the former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza about running for president.
"There are too many people in the media who are downright dishonest," he said to applause.
Still, after the debate, Cain said, "I've had a great week."
His campaign has raised more than $1.6 million in the past seven days, and a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed him trailing leader Mitt Romney by just a point in the race for GOP presidential nomination.
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They just lie, they just lie, they just lie... Koch-Cain.
Does lying include asking you about a provable settlement with a woman who accused you of sexual harassment? Mr Cain... Where is your wife? And why has she not come to your defense?
Mr. Cain are you in fact married to a REAL person?
Mr. Cain, do you truly believe the song writer of the opening credits of the Pokemon movie to be a GREAT poet?
Mr. Cain do you have direct involvement in the Koch brothers non profit group donating money to your campaign that someone in your campaign used illegally?
Mr. Cain do you find that to be a lie of the main stream media?
Mr. Cain do you think it to be appropriate to be on a book tour for profit while running for the president of the United States?
Mr. Cain the Tea Party originally was upset about Washington corruption lobbyist and the Bailout, how do you justify YOU being a lobbyist for the NRA?
Mr. Cain d oyou find Women reprehensible and beneath you?
Mr. Cain is this why we have not heard from your spouse as of yet?
Mr. Cain have you brushed up to par on foreign policy as of late?
Mr. Cain who is THEY that is out to get you?
Mr. Cain please be specific.
Mr. Cain do you have MANY conspiracy theories? .
Mr. Cain again who is they?
Mr. Cain you said race keeps no one down and holds no one back in this country, but isn't race what you have said to be a motive now?
Mr. Cain is it holding you back? Or can you ignore the race issue and move ahead?
Mr. Cain did you not know you would be vetted as are aLL presidential candidates running for office?
Mr. Cain are you surprised you were vetted? Hmmm. More tomorrow indeed. ; ]
Cheers
Feisty in the MSNBC hide mode.
She got first licks again on other thread, but she is just another wannabe Obamite.
Last word on Cain: anyone that votes for him or gives him money is an idiot. Period. End of questions!
Since we have had a week to contrast and compare other similar events like this accusation, I have found some rather interesting facts.
When three women came out TO THE CAMERA and FACED THE NATION and accused Bill Clinton of two counts of sexual harassment and one rape, The Rape accusation got exactly 18 seconds on the air. She was never heard from ever again. (This was before Fox News because Fox would have let them all talk for hours. Fox doesn't HIDE news from the people) The other two accusers got no more than 5 different TV interviews.
Mrs. Anonymous, never came out to the cameras and even though she was released to tell all she still refused. We have no what, we have no where, we have no when and yet REPORTERS with accusations have been on TV over 200 times in the past week.
What is she hiding? Perhaps if she comes out we'll know her name and learn that Cain is just ONE of a string of paydays she's received. No one knows if that's true though no more than they know if Cain even did what he's been accused of.
I know it's savory fun for liberals to beat the drum but it still isn't right and won't be right when it happens down the road to a liberal candidate.
I am sorry your big scandal turn out to be a big NOTHING but you'll be defending some liberal someday you know you will and you can point to this non event like you always like to do and move on.
You all are beating a dead horse, no one believes this lie told on Cain except well. Those of you who just desperately want to believe it.
Isn't it funny how many tea bagging republicans cried about Obamas birth certificate were wrong but still think they were right. Cried about him being the anti Christ and a Muslim. With NO proof mind you. Yet Mr. Cain has had this happen to him beyond a shadow of a doubt and were not supposed to believe that.
This is why education is important because of simpletons out there unable to distinguish fact from fiction and the actuality of mathematics and science.
Grow up and learn I say to you all. Because EVERY presidential candidate will be vetted and has been vetted. ; ] If he want's to wine about racism and whine about the fact it is too hard then he should quit. You know, like Pailin did. ; ]
I know it hurts, the truth often does and his campaign alone is proof positive he is no serious man not in the least. And when Obama is once again president which I know as FACT because it has already been determined I will whisper in the wind to your ear from the lips of God.. You lose. ; ]
Cheers
Boring, boring, boring...
The 500 people who paid $200 to attend the event saw two candidates largely in agreement on the need to reform entitlement programs and cut Washington spending.
And they paid $200.00 to hear more about the sexual harassment, not to her him talk about any of the entitlement programs...Get a grip. The Republicans just LOVE freak shows.
@3rdpartyadvocate: All of what you said makes sense, except it was his own party who released details of the claims initially. They knew exactly how it would play out, and they were right. They did not expect him to sink, and though Cain was caught off-guard, he is still afloat. The idea was merely to plant some seeds of doubt. Wait and watch over the next 3 months, as Rove, Perry, and some others behind the scenes unleash the full attack and Cain will fade back to the rear, much like Bachman and the others. Cain is not capable of a serious challenge...that much is a given. The only question is how he goes down, a big ball of fire, or just whisps out like a match.
Funny how he said when the story first broke that is wife would be coming out to make a statement in support of him??? That was what? A week ago? No Wifey yet??? What I get out of this is wifey knows that he is as guilty as sin and has been doing this type of $-hit for the 43 years of their marriage and she remains married to him out of a convenience and so she can stay down in Atlanta and spend his money in the fashionable Malls & stores of Bunkhead... :)
Seems Like Mrs. Cain has some self respect for herself and her race and doesn't wish to be caught up in Herman's Uncle Tom-ming Minstrel Show... Next up, He tap dances and sings at his "Brother" David Koch's next KKK meeting!
3rd party, I was reading your post until you said Faux News doesn't hide news. If you believe that, you're another red-coat shill. Done.
Like they say if you can't take the heat stay the hell out of the kitchen, What did he think no one would find out .........
These days the comment "Nice dress!" can be construed as sexual harassment. I notice these women, while pointing their fingers at our next president dont have a lot to say about exactly WHAT was said or done that offended them!
When will people realize that for the Republicans it is Ron Paul or bust. Here is the situation: if the Republicans nominate anyone but Ron Paul they hand Obama 4 more years. Head to head Ron Paul beats Obama in an election any day. But If it's a 3 dog race because Ron Paul has to run as a Libertarian then the votes are split and Obama stolls into another term. Ron Paul supporters are writing down their candidates' name no matter what.
Cain is schooling the main stream media, and they cant stand it. He hasnt lost a step during all of this. This is how you handle baseless charges. Dont listen to Karl Rove, or political experts that think he is handling this the wrong way. Just be yourself, and let the chips fall where they may Mr Cain!
Obama DOJ just tried to codify lying about the existence of documents.
I really don't think that Cain will have the last word. I think the voters will, and I think he is pretty much done. This will put Romney back in the lead. He had better be ready for the attacks by the remaining candidates. They seem to enjoy going after each other more then Obama.
Well, the way I see it is; his supporters obviously think Honesty and Integrity are not important anymore, which reveals quite a lot about his supporters.
I got it from an insider that all Herman Cain said to these women was, 'Would you like a little sausage and extra sauce mixed with your anchovy?' and the restaurant association decided it wasn't worth fighting in court, so they paid out. Let's move on folks, let's move on.
Cain is history, he'll never get the thumbs up now. Liar liar catch on fire. Why in the hell did the woodlands just have cain and the guy with the big head? Those two are the least i'll vote for. Perry/Paul for me. Paul isn't a speaker but he is a doer! Trust me, and by the way i'm a democrate that voted for Obama. :(
What REALLY bothers me is that we can't get a single genuine quality candidate from either party..
Every possible candidate is going to be micro-investigated by the press since Nixon's Watergate....
Everyone has some skeletons (no matter how minuscule) hiding somewhere to be exposed .....
We demand someone that is squeaky clean.....( Jimmy Carter)
Result...Simple.....No qualified, intelligent person will ever run for pres.
What do you base this off of Torbot...what facts contributed to your opinion?
Still don't understand why everyone is so hellbent on bringing down a candidate over this. If you're a conservative, and this situation affects your view of Cain, simply don't support him. If you're a liberal, and feel that he's no threat to Obama - isn't it better that he be in the race?
If, however, you simply like to see people burn on the stake - we have bigger problems in this country than a philandering candidate.
Can you say Solyndra?
Eddie in Seattle, you said:
You could be right. However, my gut feeling is that Herman NEVER told her about these issues when they came up. Think about how easy it would have been to NOT tell her. Why would a misogynist tell his wife that he'd gotten in trouble for harassing women? It's not like a misogynist respects women and would think his wife had a right to know - true OR false. I t hink it's the reason he's been mopping the brow and sweating, and why she won't appear. She's been blindsided.
Mr. Gingrich has been down the same road as Cain, Clinton, and others. You don't bring up past indiscretion when you're a culprit, there are a few things they have in common. They can't keep their foot out of their mouth and their fly zipped. Sorry, if you're a Dem. its a crime, Repugs., Cain and Gingrich its a forgivable sin. Besides, when you are debating another wannabe, no question should be off limits. We have enough in Washington who have hidden their past, we need to know who and what they have done. It is time to really vett every candidate after all Obama has been vetted back months before he was delivered into this world. I'd like to know how many illegitimate babies these republicans have running around in Georgia and that includes Gingrich. But you know some of these guys will always think with their little heads and keep their big head up their ....well I think you know where.
Gary, can you say Enron?
Can you imagine what would happen if these leaches in the press had spent half as much ink on Clinton? Or if they would have done any investigating of Obama before he ran the first time? Or, and even more important, how about finding out what happened to the trillion dollar slush fund known as
stimulus? All this is certainly more important than whether some woman decided to be offended because of a hand gesture 12 years ago.
You are dreaming, give it a rest. Ron Paul's support is very narrow vein of the voting public. If he's the candidate, and he won't be, Obama won't even have to campaign.
Ron Paul's support is a lot larger than the media would have you think. He is the only candidate that people have passion for. The Gop is just grasping at any moron at this point so they won't have to support Dr. Paul.
You Cain people are really making fools of yourselves. Did you know on the first debate his closing statement was a quote from the Pokemon song. And the tax plan from the Sims is called 999. This guy is a actor! He doesn't know basic foreign policy stuff, he doesn't know what a neo-con is. If you have given this guy any money, you need to get your head examined!
Place a First Read story on the main page and all the crazies come out. Liberal crazies. It's bad enough with the regular crowd of libbies, but add to the mix a group of off the wall, misguided liberal syncophants and the whole place goes to hell.
Liberals - we know you want Obama. As far as I'm concerned, you can have him. Why don't you libbies form your own country and elect him dictator in chief forever. See how far you will get. Your newly formed country will be in so much debt before you know it, he'll be stripping your skin to sell to some cannibals in a dark country. He's practically done it here by selling us down the road. What is it now $5 trillion in new debt, and ACA hasn't even kicked in yet.
If Obama wins in 2012, this country will be toast. There will be no economy left. He's following Clower and Pivins plan to a tee by slowly taking our debt to astronomical heights. Don't know who Clower and Pivins is? Look up Columbia University... the place Obama learned all about Marxism.
Kornfed,
What do you base this off of Torbot...what facts contributed to your opinion?
Uh, no offense intended, but have you been following the news for the past week?
Or just Fox News?
Brian999431, maybe in Rick Perry's "new Texas" you can elect him as dictator forever....but last time I checked in the USA the President is limited to 2 terms (so the next 4 year term will be Obama's final term) (last one that considered amending this was guess who Trickey Dick, but he didn't even get to finish his final term).....if only the Founding Fathers had thought far enough in advance and established that members of Congress (and Governors) should be limited to 2 terms as well....we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.
Don't sale Perry short. He isn't a speaker to say the least but he is a doer and is a great governor. don't be jealous just because he is from Texas. He would be a great president and a much better one than GWB or Obama. He does what is good for the country not what is good for him
Ask me no questions and I will tell you no lies. Hermann Cain 2012
A shadowy and opaque man for clear and transparent government. Hermann Cain 2012
"Stupid is as stupid does." Forrest Gump 1994
It's Grump not Gump Joe.
"republican primary candidates are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get".
Kind of like the Democrats?
But I'm going with the idea that that is a good thing, since I would hate to get a box of chocolates that were all the same thing. Especially since there are only one or two that are worth eating to begin with.
Yeah maybe your right, Cain has a nutty center, Romney has a gooey center, and Perry is one of those cheap chocolates that has a hollow center. Ha this is fun.
You know ol' herm would sing to the groped "ROCK YOU LIKE A HERMAN CANE!" sorry couldn't resist.
Forrest Grump 2.0
"Ask me no questions and I will tell you no lies"
No one ever expected to to tell the truth.
When have you ever heard any "POLITICIAN" tell the truth. I capitalized politician because there is a difference in some candidates who run for office. A true politician will say anything, promise anything and lie through his teeth to every potential constituent to get elected. Some candidates promise to try and make a change, but knows that all of his ideas will not be accepted. You can't please all of the people anytime because everyone, every group has a different adenda. Some candidates try to find a middle ground, and appeal to the people from that level. They may be political, but they are not in the strict sense of the word, politicians.
And as usual the libs want to focus on one thing, a hesaid, she said thing from over a decade ago, thereby avoiding the real issues....the economy, the deficit, spending, jobs.... Keep 'em distracted is their motto.
To go on the Forest Gump Quote, I submit this adaptation. "Politicians are like a bag of jalapenos. They really spice things up, but in the end they all burn your ass."
Thanks for the chuckle this early morning!
A black man who does not know his place, believes in God, loves his country too openly, is too successful and has accomplished too much without donating to Obama or Democrat candidates or nanny-state causes. It stands to reason: A loyal Democrat will seek to destroy him for his sins. Any liberal automaton should do so.
PatrioticUSGlory thinks Perry is a liberal apparently... This isn't the first of his gaffes/errors that will get national attention over and over again, and it won't be the last. Cain seemed like an alright candidate until he started opening his mouth and it turns out his stupidity knows no bounds. Him and Mitt are still the brightest bulbs in this failing set.
The only person who keeps bringing Cain's race up is Cain himself. Every time he gets the spotlight because of some stupidity he pulled its racism. He's pulled the race card on Jon Stewart like 4-5 times the last 6 months and its getting ridiculous.
"As usual", some people will only focus on the lies and misdirection. As usual, people will unfairly wonder if Cain's performance through this current situation and throughout his campaign reflectively baldly on his ability to be commander in chief and leader of the Western world. Yep, all these usual people behaving in an unusual manner and asking all of these "unusual" questions...
:-)
Sounds like "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".
How can you tell when Obama is lying? When his lips are moving.
It's interesting that the libs are so consumed about Cain's alleged sexual harassment. But, Bill Clinton's (the impeached former president) numerous confirmed sexual encounters, marital infidelity and rape didn't seem to matter to all of you. But then again, you'll vote for anyone who will promise to make your life easier, not hold you accountable for your decisions and will punish the achievers because you are unable to be successful and resent that fact that there are people who can succeed because of hard work and intelligence.
Is Cain still here?
the left hates Cain because the conservatives like's his ideas! More evidence of progressive hate-mongering!
i thought that cain said that rick perry and his camp bought this out? didnt cain say on nation tv that he wanted perry and his own gop party to aplologize to him it wasnt the left cain said it himself he sai dthat the cookie crumbs led the trail to his own conservative party so that means that rick perry is a leftist? i just want to know cain said not obama, not the left, not the media but his own conservative party was trying to do him in right?
Give 'em hell, Herman!
The left is afraid of you...very afraid!
Herman Cain 2012!
sorry sherry girl but most of the criticism of Cain is coming from liberals. The leak did come from Perry's camp and they got caught. But what we're seeing now is just a liberal distraction, keeping the old liberal media's focus on anything but obama's dismal record!
How many women has Bill Clinton sexually harassed and molested in the Oval no less. I'm sure that didn't bother you lefties now did it??? LOL
Leave Herman alone and lets more on with more important issues..I'm alot more concerned with the value of my home going back up that who Herman may have diddled 20 years ago...I don't believe he was in office then either as opposed to slick Willie...
Once again,,
Stick a fork in it,,,,,, Cain is done,,,,,,,,NEXT!!!
Close the fed...
Although I agree with your alias...you are seriously wrong about Cain.
Now, if you replace Cain with Barry as the one with a fork in him...you'd be on to something , there!
Buddy this...
For all those who use the words: "lefty-lib", "lib", "libbie", "liberal" -- as if it they were derogatory words..., you should know how doing so, also marks you to be as "profoundly stupid"
Not nearly as unintelligent as your entire post sounds, however...maybe, just maybe, it was an attempt at sarcasm?
Lib talking points are fun!
...and watching libbies squirm is even more fun!
One should note that liberal means to use lavishly and waste as opposed to conserve which means to use sparingly and be frugal. That's almost as silly an argument as yours and does not address the issue at hand though. The fact of the matter is that there isn't any liberals left in the traditional American sense. You people are nothing more than bloodthirsty Marxists hell bent on eugenics for those who do not ascribe to your religion of statist totalitarianism.
I attended a labor relations hearing of a complaint of sexual harassment against a manager I consulted for and the manager had merely off-handedly made the comment about his secretary after she had criticized him about his personal relationships "Yeah, your a great example, unmarried and pregnant".
He was sued for 'sexual harassment', and the secretary won a settlement of $10,000 and he was required to develop a 'sexual harassment policy' for the company. She also got to qualify for unemployment for a 'hostile work environment'. This was a convenient 'windfall' for her since she was soon going on maternative leave.
When he asked what 'sexual harassment actually was', he was told 'anything that makes a woman 'uncomfortable'.
Often, the charge is pure bogus and intended to extort money from employers.
Roy...
The left will never accept your pretense...only if were one one their own who was being questioned. How many women came out about the advances and RAPE by slick Willie? How soon we forget!
been walking up right long?
laslo, great point! Excellent point! I've been a registered Democrat my entire voting life, but have been very disappointed by what true liberalism has become, a perversion! I plan on changing to an independent before the election!
Still here and gaining momentum. Get used to it. He's not going to let the media smear him into non-existence. Can't wait for 2012.
The left is sooooo afraid of a lying dog who changes his story by the second ....
How frustrated & delusional you must be to champion a fool like this sorry soul ....
As one idiot on Fox put it "our blacks are better than their blacks ... very sad what we have become as a nation ....
I would have to guess that everyone is dishonest...except for Cain.....who has already been shown to lie..or at least stretch the truth to fit his needs. Hummmm, sounding more like a politican every day..this guy is becoming like the rest of washington...would not know the truth if it slapped him.
These comments just go to show how easy it is to brainwash a conservative
Now if Cain wold have only killed/drowned one of the girls he could become the "Lion of the Senate", or raped a few and be considered the greatest President by many. Perhaps if he didn't sit back on the Civil Rights Movement but became a Grand Dragon, or whatever the ridiculous title Bird had he could be a most respected American Politician. The Left's/Libs hypocrisy is disgusting.
Unless crinimal charges are brought up and demonstrated valid, Cain has this Libertarian's vote. I have listened to him talk off the top of his head on 750 AM for several yeaars and agree with about 90% of what he has said. That's about as high a % you can git. We know what he believes. You Lib's can keep votin for that Hope and Change thingie. LOL!
You people on the left or right that collapses other different points of view are DISGUSTING. You'll love the New World Order. There can only be ONE Truth. The BIG LIE. LOL!
Mac-101 ... what you just wrote does not match what we ALL have seen from this man the last few days! And yes ... I will follow Obama any day over a person who can't even remember his last lie!!!
AND ... because you agree with 90% of what come out of this mans mouth means nothing! A lot of folks believe 90% of what is spewed out of Fox ...
I find it stunningly awesome that Bill still gets the "conservatives'" goat. Maybe we should pull Cain in front of Congress and compel full disclosure, hm? After all what's good for the goose ...
... without consent. You get that's the thing that is sticking in everyone's craw, right? Unlike Bill, Herman's actions were not welcomed advances.
I'm hoping you see the difference.
You are so right! No pun intended! :)
And like Left is Fuzzy said, I too am former democrat that is sick of extreme liberalism that has taken over the party.
MEMO TO THE MEDIA
"There are too many people in the media who are downright dishonest," he said to applause.
Do take the time to check sources and write about WHAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW TO BE TRUE. Were you there? Is there any physical evidence like Clinton's cum stain on Monica's dress? Is it merely "he said, she said"?
Cain's point is noted. To write, when one does not know, is to be intellectually dishonest, guilty of yellow journalism, and a slanderer.
Liberals have an edge on lies, corruption, double standards, and massive hypocrisy, not freedom and democracy. They have no ethical standards, and find nothing wrong with massive government spending to buy votes.
An example is that they find nothing wrong with supporting teachers unions and the maintaining of incompetent teachers in our schools while making us one of the worst educated first world countries. They find nothing wrong with taking the proven, successful process of school vouchers for example, where the the money is given to the parents to take to the school of their choice, and instead give it of to corrupt and incompetent school systems that get the money for non-performance. In spite of what they say, they DO NOT CARE about educating our children, or they would do something about it. They would rather buy votes from the teachers unions and sacrifice our future as an educated nation.
The number of stories about Cain being accused anonymously about some kind of vague, loosely defined 'harrassment' is massively greater in number than the hypocritical, lying media EVER covered about all the SPECIFIC, highly DETAILED allegations by multiple women who WENT PUBLIC with their stories about Clinton.
Juanita Broadderick's specific statements about Clinton raping her on a specific date and time, in a specific hotel room, went almost unreported by the media. Paula Jones, who named the date, time and place that Clinton pulled down his pants in front of her and told her to "kiss it", was simarly almost unreported.
Clinton was CONVICTED of lying, and lost his license to practice law. Yet the same media and politicians gleefully giving wall to wall coverage to the nonspecific and anonymous claims against Cain ignored these specific allegations against Clinton, and instead attacked the women. They still praise Clinton, saying that his 'personal life' is irrelevant.
Please Google all of this about Clinton yourself, and you can the massive difference in coverage Clinton and Cain have received.
You can't help but conclude that the mainstream press, and liberals, do not care about truth. They do not care about honesty. They do not care about impartiality. They have no sense of morality or ethics. They believe in highly selective reporting to deliberately misinform the public.
You can say that these low standards of truth apply for political reasons, just in Cain's case. But you have to conclude that people who stoop this low do not deserve any respect or credibility about ANYTHING they say or do. You can't assume that lying hypocrites limit their lies and hypocrisy to only this one area. These people are lying, unprincipled SCUM, and should get no more respect than they deserve. These liberal politicians should be voted out of office. The liberal press should be laughed at and ignored, and people should stop their subscriptions to cheap, lying news organizations that pretend to be impartial when they have absolutely no intention to ever be so.
Zorroaca, so is Larry Sinclair commin out after Donald Young and his bud got a bullet in da head isn't worthy of followup? Aren't you a little interested in why Lt Quarles Harris Jr got a bullet in da head? What ever happened to that hot campaign staffer who went back to the Bahamas real quick? LOL!
Juanita Brodderick was raped by Slick Willy, are you saying that was welcomed? Paula Jones turned him down flat after he pulled it out and asked her to kiss it, then when on to lie in court about it. Cains "anonymous" accusser received about $35-45,000.00, Clinton settled with Paula for over $800,000.00. How you can characterize Slick Willy's advances as welcoming is insane and ignores the facts. Other than a 23 yr old intern with an oral fixation, sounds like Willy's the true cretin, not Cain. Idiot.
laslo... your looking at the wrong definitions, conservatism is only restraining and using a little when its used like "Conservation of the...." or "Ecological Conservatism" (it works when you talk about people like Teddy Roosevelt as a republican conversationalist)... in that you want to conserve something. You could say that conservatives want to conserve the older values and traditions and you'd be right though.
Liberal does not mean to "use lavishly and with wanton abandon" that would be if you were using something "liberally".
I don't see "use with wanton abandon" anywhere in there... even if you don't think modern day liberals espouse these ideals anymore.
These are horrible talking points that basically are what run Fox News. We want to keep unemployment and welfare and you assume our whole goal is to keep people who abuse the system plump and happy. Ask any liberal in favor of social programs if they support the (very small percent) freeloaders and I guarantee they'd say they don't (you'll get an argument if you throw in words like libtard and other things, mostly because we assume if we agree with getting rid of freeloaders your referencing EVERYONE who needs help and want to destroy the entire system).
The difference is simply this: Conservatives, right now, would rather throw the baby out with the bath water. The dog has fleas? Put the dog down. Part of it is corrupt? Better start anew. Liberals, right now, would rather keep the program (and hopefully deal with these issues without turning it into a witch hunt). The only time you'd get a large outcry against some way to eliminate free loaders is when one of our side assumes that your just trying to get inside to wreck it and destroy it.
Most Liberals aren't sitting at home wishing they had more dollar bills to put in their toilets. Just like most conservatives ARE home hoping for the situation in america to get better and to fix the problems with everything without hurting people but solving the problems nonetheless. We see the corruption in each others side and hate it, as we should hate corruption.
Also, liberal news media is the biggest crock I've ever heard of, travel outside the country, listen to BBC or any other news station and you'll see even MSNBC runs conservative compared to most programs.
Mac-101 ... this article is on Cain ... and concerning THIS article ... I'm more concerned about Cain saying "There are too many people in the media who are downright dishonest" after he has lied to the press and the nation for days!!!!!!
Zorro, it is about Cain, the media is after him hard, very hard, nonstop allegation. I bet you most people never even heard of the above people I listed, some got a bullet, one got a ticket.
"Code of ethics". Beautiful. He handed a reporter a code of ethics, thats just beautiful. Is this the makings of a comedy movie? It has to be, what more can it be, they surely can't be running for president, could they? How beautiful is that. I also like the right wingers when they go to promote and protect Herman in here and they always comeback with how "Slick Willie" raped women in the Oval Office. Can one of the right wingers in here please explain to me when or how Bill Clinton raped any women? I watched the beginning of that rediculious right wing impeachment process or whatever you want to call it, I call it a waste of tax payers money, but the conservatives claim they don't waste money and it was just a issue for Rowe to get his jollies off questioning Bill Clinton about all the women he scores home runs with. Never once in that televised waste of money hearing did I hear that Bill Clinton raped anyone ever. Now this conservative Herman Cain thinks he needs to stop answering questions about a poor young lady that he so relentlessly harrassed , that she had to quit working her job. Never once has Bill Clinton been brought to trial or even questioned about raping or even harrassing a women. Most of the women that came out and claimed he had sex with them was because the right wingers went and paid them a whole lot of money to disgrace themselves with. Then the homely Linda Tripp, that had no business what so ever to come out and ruin poor Monica Lewynski's life, claimed she was Monica's friend and she needed to come out and snitch on Bill Clinton, and cost this nation a billion dollars in doing so. I bet Linda Tripp is still on the repubes payroll, because she is so homely that no amount of money would be able to make her happy, so she probably spends like crazy and treathens to reveal the repubes that wanted her to lie about Monica now. Ok, now I can almost understand Linda Tripps motive to report Monica and Bills cigar affair, well from a womens veiw point she was extremely jealous because Bill didn't want anything to do with her and she knew she could make a whole lot of money turning her friend in, but other than that not once has a women came out and complained about Bill Clinton, matter of fact they are still lined up to get their chance with "Slick Willie". Yesiree a code of ethics. How beautiful is that?
People keep referring to the liberal media. What media are they talking about? Most American media is big corporate owned. They root problems of the greed that is destroying America are ignored or glossed over.
When wall street and the banks practically wrecked our economy. The media claimed the bail out was about auto and student loans. When our"leaders" of both parties rush together to save their tanking stock there was no explanation of how derivatives work the mass fraud etc.
When the Saudi royal family takes 250 billion off our rigged market in one year,while 401kd are tanking. There is no discussion in the media. The Emir of Kuwait has hundreds of billions in that same market. We spend untold billions and American lives defending these two that run their countries like company stores. How many discussions have you heard about this very large drain on the American public and who is behind it. Also the broad implications that our stock market and commodities exchange are totally rigged for giant investors.
We know that Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanly and others have been driving up the price of oil by controlling the commodities market. This has gigantic effect on all Americans. The price of gas and food is deliberately raised on hurting Americans and nothing is done to stop it. How much do you hear about this on TV?
Americans are fed selective news and effectively propagandized. Most Americans don't even know that the Federal reserve is a private bank or how banks use the publics' own money to rob them. We are in bad need of an informing media that is more than an arm of a corrupt financial and corporate system.
Frank, that's it. The FED is owned by private banks and they are ALL controlled by the Trans National Globalist ELITES who wish to establish their New World Order. For that to happen they must crush America and eliminate the middle class, which they are doin quite effectively now. ALL the DEMOs, and RINOs and half the Tea Party are owned by them. Goldman Sachs has run America since the Great Depression and JFK and Joe Kennedy.
Yad think politics was a football game the way these idiots cheer and defend their team. LOL!
The media is probing Cain for info that they would never attempt to get from Obama whose background and qualifications are dubious. In case you're not familiar with the rules of the leftist media, they are as follows:
1. You are not supposed to ask for proof of Obama's past. PERIOD. The progressives in government and media support this man and his mission to ..."transform" America.
2. You are not supposed to inquire about his bizarre past including the lack of anyone remembering him at Columbia University.
3. You are not supposed to inquire about why he has a social security number issued under another name, and from Connecticut, though he never lived there.
4. You are not supposed to inquire about Obama's past cronies who were domestic terrorists (traitors), communists (traitors) and rabid black racists.
5. You are not supposed to inquire about Obama's own quote in his book where he states that if "push comes to shove, I will stand with the Muslim world".
6. You are not supposed to inquire about why his released "birth certificate' has been analysed by numerous experts, determining that it was an obvious digitized fake.
Further, when anyone inquires into any of these things that Americans should demand to know, the media must attack them personally. Attack their character, their family, their children. Investigate THEM to see if there are any unpaid parking tickets or anything embarrassing that can be used against them to cause as much harm and pain as possible.
However-when the person in question is a conservative, the media MUST inquire about all of these things and more. If there are no issues, then they must be created from a fabricated rumor mill. The point is that once accusations are leveled against a person, their image remains tarnished. If their argument proves to be accurate, resort to name calling. Idiot, wingnut, mouth-breather, racist, and bigot are some good ideas to start with. Always imply that conservatives are in bed with big corporation while ignoring the fact that Obama got much MORE money from big Wall Street corporations than the Republican last election.
This will help in the progressive efforts to topple the American economy, remove all vestiges of American tradition, prosperity and patriotism and prepare this land to be merged into a global socialist totalitarian government. The "rich" that remains will be the political class instead of the free market wealthy, and the populations will be impoverished and slaves, but they will finally be EQUAL.
Mac-101-Seriously, there is no doubt of the "New World Order" conspiracy. The people pushing this stuff are actually quite brazen and arrogant, and have said what their plans are, but no-one is paying attention.
However, if you think the TEA Party IS part of this, while the progressives are NOT, you are terribly misinformed. The power elites like G.H.W. Bush, W.H. Clinton, G.W. Bush, B.H. Obama are ALL members of the Bilderburg group (and others). I want constitutional conservatives in government, not "big government" Republicans like Bush, and certainly not "big government" Marxists like Obama.
Roy: so, what is your story supposed to illustrate exactly? Anything said by a man to a woman is ok UNLESS a court finds otherwise? How old are you exactly?
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
1. in politics, the desire to maintain, or conserve, the existing order.
Three contemporary definitions of the term "Political Conservative". As indicated, it appears that the current Republican party adheres to this concept with unwavering certainty. Stagnation is their definition of progress.
a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
1. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.
c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)
Three contemporary definitions of "Political Liberal". As all societies change in time, so too should our government. To think that this country can excel with the policies of the past is to ignore the advances made from the inception of this country to today. The "good old days" were never as good as people fantasize.
Machine Head,
NOT even though Koch gives financial backing to the Tea Party, they do not own it no more than the RePugs do. The majority of its members believe strongly and are not swayed by partisan politics. What I was alluding to was that once a person is elected, they tempt them through elaborate schemes with hot babes, Young boys, money, power and before they know it they are compromised. My Rep Whitfield, a strong Conservative just voted for card check. Imagine getting rid of teh right to sa secrete ballot. Even the Soviets never attempted that. They must of had something on him and pulled the card when they had to have his vote. It's ALL corrupt. I'm for Paul, Cain or lastly Bachman. Perry and Romney and Newt are definitely owned by the Globalist.
The more the establishment attacks Cain, the more I am inclined to vote for him and send him a couple more bucks. LOL!
You Cain people are really making fools of yourselves. Did you know on the first debate his closing statement was a quote from the Pokemon song. And the tax plan from the Sims is called 999. This guy is a actor! He doesn't know basic foreign policy stuff, he doesn't know what a neo-con is. If you have given this guy any money, you need to get your head examined!
Don't you just love it when the "birthers" show up? How on earth do they get through a day without a keeper? That, and the collapse cowards are just so amusing.
Birthers......lmao! I havent heard that term in 8 months, unless associated with some sort of humor. But I do find humor in the increase of support for Mr Cain, which just has to drive the liberals out of their minds. And thats a lot of driving.
Can't you just feel the love Americans have for each other????
I love when people start writing their own definitions for words - I tried that in school (when I played too much basketball and didn't study) and my teacher gave me an "F"....lol.
I find it interesting how many here claim to be so far up the food chain; division heads, Masters degrees, partners, on many boards - since when do these types find room in their busy schedule to sit in Forums all day - something ain't adding up.
I was mostly a Democrat when Clinton got busted for his dirty deeds - I'm now a Moderate who believes we need a real liberal progressive party, not this centrist Obama and Romney SOS. So to say Clinton's actions had no affect on liberal thinkers, is just an attempt to direct attention away from the mis-deeds of your own party. Clinton often sought out the advice of Nixon - now ain't that a pair...lmao.
Other than giving you an ulcer - what has the left or right done for you?
The left hates Cain because conservatives like his ideas! More evidence of progressive hate-mongering!
ABO 2012, more than ever!
cantakenomore "How many women came out about the advances and RAPE by slick Willie? How soon we forget!"
A recent count of the mainstream media's accounts of 'Slick Willy's' escapades, including the rape charge, came out with less than you could count on your hand, compared with several dozen against Herman Cain - all from 'anonymous sources'.
In politics, an 'anonymous source' is someone that wants to make salacious character attacks but doesn't want to back them up. Most 'responsible' reporters would not print such articles without verification, but that just shows how low (or biased) the media has become.
BB-2858666 "You Cain people are really making fools of yourselves. This guy is a actor! He doesn't know basic foreign policy stuff"
Sort of reminds you of Obama, huh?
Got to love the collapsers. They are out in force today. What ya think, this is the Soviet Union? Ok, not yet, but your man will be declaring martial law soon. LOL!
Roy...
Agreed...my point was that Slick Willie had real charges put against him...not some drummed up BS from anonymous sources.
There is nothing anonymous about it the NRA knows exactly who these women are because they gave them settlement checks after they investigated their complaints.
Forrest Grump 2.0 "There is nothing anonymous about it the NRA knows exactly who these women are because they gave them settlement checks after they investigated their complaints."
You apparently don't understand how business works. If the cost of legally defending against a false claim significantly exceeds the cost of an unjust 'settlement', they almost always take the cheaper route. Why spend $100,000 defending a spurious 'sexual harassment' claim if you can spend $10,000 to settle it.
That happens all of the time, and there are plenty of unscrupulous lawyers that 'extort' money from companies using this tactic.
It would be much fairer and cheaper to allow for 'binding arbitration' of claims, but the trial lawyers fight this 'tooth and nail'.
Personally, I think the fairest approach is for the loser to pay the legal fees of the winner in civil suits, and the attorney's for the loser to pay the percentage that they would have gained if they had won. If these sleazy lawyers had something to lose, they would be careful about filing frivolous lawsuits.
Roy; are you saying that you personally would pay off someone and let history show you to be something you claim you are not? In most cases, if the accuser can't prove their case - they pay all legal fees for both parties. I personally would never just pay out and walk away - just ask Labor and Industries; they've been trying to get me to walk away (with endless lies and denials) for 10 years. They have paid out way more fighting me than if they just pensioned me - in my case the truth always prevails (that and a lawyer who listens to facts).
Gee Roy you act like this was a class action lawsuit or something, how much could it cost to defend a sexual harassment complaint by a women if it was totally bogus, they gave her $45,000 dollars plus they spent money on an internal investigation and drawing up the confidentiality agreements. I keep hearing this bogus cost of defense argument but you seem to forget that cost cuts both ways. The truth is if they think it is a crock they defend it with 4 little words they tell the women to "take me to court" now she has the cost of proving her case, and she has to spend, a lawyer won't even take it on a contingency basis unless he thinks it is a decent case. This is not a "I slipped and fell and won't some money case" a mans and an organizations good name and reputation is on the line. Cain is a multi millionaire, he could have easily afforded his own defense, I'm sure he could have kept pace with her legal fees, if he thought he was innocent. So I guess he did not feel his reputation was worth defending, or could not be defended, right Roy, so now he lives with it. He is now guilty of sexual harassment, or of being a sellout on his own good name, either way he has some serious character flaws. That's exactly what they buy for a settlement and a confidentiality agreement, nobody can say for sure whether he did it or just sold out on himself, that's the best you can do if you are guilty, you can do way better if you are not guilty, and you defend yourself and prove it. I say he is guilty, I see Cain react with righteous indignation with the smallest of provocation, but then you expect me to believe he just settles a false charge of sexual harassment against him. Ha I think he is Guilty with a capital G, you can believe otherwise, but I don't know why you would defend him when he did think he was worth defending himself.
Sorry, the end of my last sentence should have read did not think he was worth defending himself.
Grump...
You're only against him because he's black...isn't it? I wonder how you felt about Clinton's sexual acts? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
Now you sound just like Cain pulling the race card when you are losing an argument, it has nothing to with him being black, I would think he was just as guilty if he was white. If you have read my posts over a long period of time you would see that I have never defended Clinton's affair in the white house. I have seen a couple dozen of sexual harassment issues up close, and men who feel they are innocent want to be cleared of that charge beyond a doubt. Let me ask you a question where is Mrs. Cain, I have not seen her at all, do you think she is just now finding out about all this, you think maybe she was blindsided by this, she has not come to his defense either. That's another reason people settle quickly and sign confidentiality agreements so wifey and the kids don't learn the details of what hubby has been doing. Bottom line is like I said we are all free to draw own conclusions, because of the settlement, my conclusion is he was accused by more than one women and they paid because he was guilty, not because he is black.
It's called extortion...happens all the time. Cain calls it severance...whatever. I couldn't care less.
Cain has a target on his head. The dems are afraid of him since he removes the race card and the "good 'ol boy" repubs are afraid since he's not the career paid-for politician that they are. Why do you think his numbers are getting stronger? Regular people see through the BS...and it's killing both sides! Gotta love it, I tell you!
Herman Cain 2012!
There is nothing for dems to fear, polling at this point shows in head a head to head match up it is a blowout for Obama against Cain, the only republican candidate that is competitive against him is Romney. I could only hope Cain gets the nod from republicans. His numbers are getting worse, his donations are getting stronger, but not his numbers. Who would want a president who gave in to extortion as you call it twice. So twice he had false claims against him and twice they paid up, ha you stick with that, Cain will need all the people like you he can get, because their will be more claims to come. This guy started out by saying he had no recollection of any of this, well I would remember if I was charged with sexual harassment, or I would remember if I was a victim of extortion, does can have Alzheimer' or what.
Only time will tell, now won't it. Nothing you or I say on this vine will change that.
I, however, cannot wait 'til 2012 when our bad community organizer-n-chief will be no more than a distant whisper in a whirlwind of change. You saw what happened in 2010, didn't you? We'll fix the rest in 2012!
It doesn't matter where the leak came from - It's his abysmal ability to address this in a forthright, effectual, concise and intelligent matter that disturbs me on many levels. And I was a huge Cain supporter, but not now. Couple this with that business about "We don't need to audit the Fed" .. I'm sorry, but all of it sets off major alarm bells.
I simply don't like the notion of an elected official who does not feel any sort of accountability - either Dem or Repub.
I completely agree Roy - but this is what Cain Should Have Said right out of the chute - However, he was completely unprepared to address this issue. And now he feels he just doesn't have to address it at all?
I'm no longer impressed, and greatly dissappointed.
Does Herman Cain really believe he can cherry-pick the questions to which he'll respond? Does he really believe that will stand when it comes to his being (perish the thought) in a national election?
Will this NOW be enough for the misguided voters who are Cain supporters to abandon this pitiful, arrogant soul? He is embarrassing himself, his Party, and the country as a whole.
He is behaving exactly like Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and the merry band of democrat fools destroying our nation. These clowns can't give a straight answer when asked their name, let alone any issue you choose.
Obama never answered honestly about his past sins, at least the one's we know about, and Lord knows the media gave him a pass.
The skeletons in these folks closets would make for a very scary movie.
And let's not forget about "Slick Willey". "I did not have sexual relations with "that woman". Do any of them give a straight answer.
Not that I condone what Clinton did but there is a big difference between an affair with a willing participant, and sexual harassment.
Forrest Grump 2.0
"Not that I condone what Clinton did but there is a big difference between an affair with a willing participant, and sexual harassment."
There is a bigger difference between allegation and the truth. Seems you are part of a mob. Welcome to Lybia, Egypt, Iran and more.
They paid because he played.
Do you think the multi-millionaire could not afford to defend his good name and reputation?
For a man that shows so much righteous indignation when he is questioned, it is hard to believe he did not defend his good name with that same passion.
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As for being sexually abberant, no one out there can name more than three Presidents in our entire history who didn't have a skeleton in the closet. Why should Cain be any different. Its the nature of the beast. As a matter of fact most men who rise to any high position in any field of endeavor has been accused of some type of sexual misconduct. Accusation is not proof as our Constitution points out. Sexual harrassment is, absent actual contact of some kind, a matter of interpretation by a female. No one would believe that a go-go dancer would be offended by a lewd remark, that same remark in an office setting might be interpreted by some female as sexual harrassment. At the same time another female in that same office might think the man was insensitive but his remark did not rise to a level of sexual harassment. Unless Mr. Cain actually made an overt action against any female, in my mind a charge of sexual harrassment is left in the air of interpretation by a jury of his peers. Apparently his accuser didn't believe he would be found guilty and chose to take a settlement. You have to be totally ignorant of how companies deal with sexual harrassment complaints whenever a female employee is dismissed. One of the most common complaints whenever a female employee is dismissed is she was sexually harrassed. This is one of the reasons many companies have female supervisors over female employees, to deflect sexual harrassment charges if they have to be dismissed.
Wait...are you talking about Cain or Obongo?
N.C. Thornton: With all your defense of Mr. Cain, you fail to remember one simple little fact, "Legal immunity does not confer moral immunity"! While one might argue that one accusation is possibly false, two accusations become more difficult to accept as false. Yes, it is still possible that he is not guilty, however, why has he been so "less that open" from the very start of this affair? I really do not care one way or the other about Mr. Cain, because I suspect he is not serious about the whole campaign for the office anyway, and is only in it for profit on book sales, and future position as a consultant to a possible news network.
N.C. Thornton -
Umm...he paid settlements to these women, which pretty much means they had too strong of a case for him to defend himself against, not the other way around.
Sorry but you are staying on a sinking ship that deserves to sink. I'm just waiting for the "Oops, I didn't realize my microphone was on" moment where we find out the truth.
obama did why not cain?
Ranger:Umm...he paid settlements to these women, which pretty much means they had too strong of a case for him to defend himself against, not the other way around.
Cain didn't pay the settlement, the company her worked for did. The sums paid out were around $35,000. To take anything to court would have been around $250,000, even if he was found to be innocent. Bet they didn't even discuss it with him much, just paid it off. So, it is much cheaper for the company to pay off the accuser. It is a common way for many people to make a lot of money fast. Large corporations deal with it all the time. I would like to see if any of these women had similiar complaints at other companies. The one accuser was released from her contract to keep silent, and decided not to come forward. My bet is that she has other accusations with which she received settlement, and she didn't want the publicity.
Not a Cain supporter, but this is how our current court system works. If you are going to not like him fine. But base it on his views, not this garbage.
He was long gone, when these women filed their sexual harassment complaints and why did they settle for 40k each, if they didnt have a strong case? Also why was she demanding for weeks that they lift the confidential agreement, the exact moment they do.. She decides she doesnt want to relive the moments??
She was demanding that they lift it, never expecting it to happen, thats why..
Cain didn't pay the settlement, the company her worked for did. The sums paid out were around $35,000. To take anything to court would have been around $250,000, even if he was found to be innocent. Bet they didn't even discuss it with him much, just paid it off.
They discussed it with him as a matter of law he has to made aware of exactly what he was accused of and the results of their investigation, he is a big boy with lots of cash he is free to defend himself regardless of what the NRA decided to do.
Liberals defend Michael Jackson, saying a payout of $40 Mil doesn't mean he did anything, but turn around and say a $35K payout means Cain did. Go figure.
Liberals defend Michael Jackson? that takes the cake as about the dumbest statement I have heard on these boards (and that is indeed an honor) How can you possibly say something so stupid and still function in society? Or are you posting from a padded cell somewhere?
Based upon what? I've been a plaintive and/or defendant in multiple lawsuits (defendant mostly, I'm a property owner/landlord)...and I doubt my collective legal fees have totaled $250K!
In order to come anywhere close to that amount in legal fees...it would mean the defense team spent weeks on pre-trial discovery evidence ...and/or deposing a long list of witness.
Why would a plaintive with a mountain of evidence backing them...and a long list of witnesses...settle for $40K?
If they didn't have a strong case, $40k is a damn good settlement!
My experience in sexual harassment suits is very limited and purely anecdotal (I was deposed, twice, in a case brought against an old boss). What I learned was...to get something you have to have something. If you've got absolutely nothing...you get absolutely nothing.
If there's evidence...a witness...an established pattern of behavior...something to lend credibility to the plaintiff's story...sure, an insurance company may cut their potential losses and offer a settlement. But, they don't just offer $40k to everyone who makes a claim.
WRONG wildewille!
Plaintiffs settle ALL THE TIME because even to go to trial and defend yourself can easily cost $50,000 and more likely cost $100,000+. I work at an engineering firm that was sued for construction defects. My firm and another firm (3rd party defendant) both had expert witness reports that claimed the company I work for DID NOTHING WRONG. To top it off, the plaintiff's OWN EXPERT WITNESS REPORT claimed that my company did nothing wrong (it was both an another engineering firm and construction firm that was at fault.) Still the plaintiff would not drop us from the lawsuit and out insurance company settled for $25,000 to make the lawsuit go away!
First...one example ≠ ALL THE TIME. It equals exactly one example.
Second, I never said that defendants don't settle...I said insurance companies don't just hand over $40k to everyone who files a claim. And they don't!
Kumar...just because your "limited and purely anecdotal" experience ...in a completely unrelated type of lawsuit... differs from mine...doesn't mean I'm "WRONG".
And no amount of bold-type... all caps shouting will change that!
But...I'll tell you what, Kumar...you provide empirical evidence showing that all companies DO simply hand out $40k to everyone who makes a claim....and I'll recant. Mmmkay?
As for your company being sued...there's either more to the story that you're not telling us...or more to it that you simply don't know.
If the evidence was as overwhelming as you claim...not only would the case have been decided in their favor... but the insurance company representing your company would have asked the court to order the plaintiff to pay their legal expenses. If the evidence was as clear cut as you insist that it is, the court would have readily agreed.
Well, he won't answer questions about it, then end of story! Gosh golly, Herman, that's a nice little fantasy world you're living in.
How has anyone taken this pizza company executive seriously up to now? His "plans" are foolish and disastrous concepts wrapped up in marketing speak. 9-9-9 wasn't chosen because it works, it was chosen because 9-9-9 is easy to remember. It's a marketing trick. There's no logical reason that those particular taxes should be at 9 percent, and if they were it would ruin the entire federal government. If you think that's a good thing, then look around sometime while you're driving and see what you would no longer have. Think of the inability of local and state governments to adequately address interstate commerce. Think of the problems we're facing in a languid (yet still stable and effective) economy, then think of what would happen if the economy not only tanked, but did so with no earthly way of recovering it in 50 years. THAT's the 9-9-9 plan. Marketing speak for those who can't (or would just rather not) sit down and analyse the realities.
Go ahead, Herman. Go ahead and keep the joke alive. History will provide the punchline for your life.
Why do you want Warren Buffett to continue writing off aircraft to reduce his income taxes? Just answer that one simple question.
The 9 9 9 plan is simply the first step towards the Fairtax that would cause Warren Buffett to pay $3,000,000 in national sales tax immediately on his $10,000,000 aircraft purchase. With 9 9 9 Warren Buffett would at least pay $900,000 in national sales tax on that $10,000,000 aircraft purchase.
Instead by continuing the income tax, Warren Buffett can write off that $10,000,000 purchase and REDUCE his income tax.
Why do you continue to want to side with the Corporations to protect then from higher taxes?
Cain is on the right side of the equation and the Democrats know that the corporate fat-cats are themselves.
Meanwhile the Republican small business men can not start new businesses because the Democratic bankers working with the Democratic Congress built a real-estate bubble that burst and killed to a great extent the retirement of Baby Boomers that had investments in the stock market.
This whole world is upside down.
Wow. That's a whole lot of dumb for one post.
What would the actual revenue for the federal government be?
Yeah...whoops! There goes the neighborhood.
Forget the pizza stuff, that was a long time ago. The question is, what has he been doing recently.
From 2005 until he decided to run for POTUS, he was employed by the Koch brothers as a motivational speaker. Speaking is one thing, answering questions is another. He may still be working for Koch.
I don't think he ever intended or wanted to be in the lead, he just wants to sell books ala $arah Paylin.
Sane central. is funny. Insane central funnier.
Cain is learning a lesson. While he can order people around as CEO, he can't as candidate. Stamping his feet and blustering at the media is not working, and he just can't figure out why. He can't fire them, he can't cut their pay, and since that is all he has in his rather limited bag of tricks, he is lost.
Cain is done, and the only people that don't know that are his corporate masters, the Koch boys, the far right wing (who have difficulty with complex thought) and Cain.
As if the entire menu of possible options/solutions/ideas available for eliminating loopholes & increasing the tax revenues collected from corporations, consists of only... Mr. Cain's 9-9-9 plan...or a willful desire to do nothing.
The only thing "simple" about these patently asinine, implicit premise questions is how simple minded they are in there construction.
Such nonsense would be laugh-out-loud funny...if it weren't so GD dishonest!
What's wrong with 9-9-9. I like it.
Uh, that does mean 9 inch, 9 toppings, for 9 dollars, right?
OH wait, does Cain speak German, maybe he meant: Nien, Nien, Nien!
Always a popular policy for Republicans.
Cain/Rubio would be the best ticket.
The Democrats and anyone else that would like to drag up the past have one little problem. During the Obama Presidency the national debt increased by more absolute dollars and by a higher percentage than any President during the life of anyone on Earth. In other words Obama has not only spoken about these things, he has done these things to everyone in this country. He has relegated babies to the unenviable position of being responsible for our collective debts. And he does not care. He has screwed us all and all the press wants to do is focus on past history to kill the best chance we might have to start paying down that debt.
You folks in the media are just despicable!
Perfect ticket for republicans! A boat anchor, and an anchor baby. Anchors aweigh! 2012
The comment about Rubio is wrong, and it's sort of raciest. I believe he's of Cuba decent, and therefore his parents were subject to political asylum. Why would they need an anchor baby? I have a buddy that made it with his mom back in the early 80's. He really appreciates what he has here when he goes back to visit family. Maybe some of the OWSers should go spend a few months in the paradise that is Cuba living as commoners. A few months crawling along in a tobacco field at 100+ degrees would probably do them good.
The only problem with the political asylum story is that they traveled back and forth several times, and this was before Castro took over, and there is nothing racist about it. The Rubio's did not crawl through anything, as your courageous friend and his mother had too.
Magnets, You need to look at the actual reports generated by the OMB. You are need to get your facts straight before you speak about who did what to the national debt. Obama is not the reason the national debt is out of whack.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
Report 1.3 or 1.1, or any of them you want to look at will show you what you don't want to believe.
Obama screwed us all?
What about that jackwagon Bush that caused this mess in the first place?
Obama walked into the biggest mess any incoming President has faced since the Great Depression.
Cain is a sleazy, womanizing idiot meaning he is the perfect Republican candidate. Every one of the Republican candidates is cut from the same cloth and should never even be considered as worthy of guiding this country.
The Republicans need to clean house and get rid of every one of these self serving politicians. But, that would mean there would be nobody left.
Tad S.
Your buddy made it with his mom and he told you about it? and he's happy about it?
Rubio's parents didn't come here for political asylum- they came to save their money- must have been supporters of Batista and once they thought he would lose they left.
JimC,
Yeah, wouldn't you be proud to escape communism, or do you like the idea of being repressed? He has a pretty harrowing story about seeing some fall off the raft and not make it. He was 6 at the time and it made a pretty big impression. I wasn't aware that Rubio parents came before the Castro take over, I stand corrected on that. If they were fleeing in the wake of Batista's collapse, that to me says they're still asylum seekers. I'll have to dig a bit into Rubio parent's past as it might be interesting to see what was going on.
Alright back with the goods. My original post was based on the first block of information. Which is out of date. I should stay more current. It would seem Marco embellished the story of his family history. The article on PolitiFact Florida, that I pulled this information from, does say that it's hard to tell whether this was a bull-faced lie, or if Marco was simply mislead by the oral tradition of his family. I guess I could see that, as Daddy would look a bit taller if he and Mom where dodging bullets in a daring escape, rather than simply doing a ho-hum immigration bit. Granted, before inferring what he did, I think it would have been wise to fact check his Pops.
It seems that there is a lot of polito-speak here, sort of like "it depends on your definition of sex." Maybe he didn't say they fled Castro, but he certainly did fudge the facts so that they COULD have been fleeing Castro.
From his current, presumably corrected biography:
I could not find anything relating to whether or not his parents were citizens before or after his birth, at least from anything that didn't look like a front for a Donald Trump birther organization. Thanks for the correction Forrest, I hate having wrong information, it's just dang hard to stay current on everything with the amount of crap floating around.
Seems more bossy than Presidential. But then, he's not Presidential at all. Just a strange character. Herman Cain 2012: one can only hope.
PMSNBCer are you certain that even one women came out and told the world that Bill Clinton forced himself on them? Sure you are, but only in your head was he a rapist. But in reality, never once had a women that wasn't paid humungous money, come out on her own and say Bill Clinton raped her. Now Paula Jones fell into a win, win situation after homely Linda Tripp a repube came out and snitched on her friend Monica. (Some friend) Now that was a whole lot of money for Paula Jones to ignore, even if she did disgraced herself, she got money from Bill because he wanted to spare his wife the details of how she seduced Bill and then she probably got a few million from the repubes too. I figure that was worth about a cool 5 million to her to come out and tell the world what kind of a prostitute she was and how she didn't mind kissing Bill's weenie, but I guess when she was on tv she made it look like Bill was the seducer and she was a little angel and she eventually gave in to his asking her to kiss it. Then Juanita another one you claimed was raped? Ok, so your going to tell me that she went through with the whole act and then cried rape? Sure these women that made themselves prostitutes for having sex with Bill Clinton, they came out and said what the repubes asked them to say so they could get a lot of money, but its not rape when you go through with the entire act and say nothing until your getting paid to talk. Its more of an act of delayed prostitution.
Another issue is his other manners are not very good, and there are children around.
What accuser? Show us an accuser. Cain has the right, under the same constitution that allows you to print this hearsay, to face his accuser. Where is this person? By chance will they use Microsoft Word to create a document, typed in 1971? Oh that ruse has been used before. I guess the press will have to invent some new phantom crime.
He already faced his accuser and they cut her a check.
Two checks actually, totally $80,000.
glaird - he already faced his accusers and by him not fighting the accusations and letting his employer pay off these women says a lot
It says it all.
To Glaird: What planet are you living on ??? "Hearsay", using Microsoft to forge a document, the constitution DOES NOT allow, require or demand that any person has the "right" to face their accuser OUTSIDE of a court of law. Mr. Cain had plenty of time to face his accuser (s). He knew then and knows now exactly who they are (this ofcourse depends on what "story" he is telling on any given day). Herman Cain, while an accomplished bussiness man, is an absolute joke as a presidential candidate --- kind of like the joke John McCAIN made when he announced Fail'n Palin as his running mate. The republican party just keeps insulting the American public (and the human race) by doing what they do and you are no exception!!!
glaird -- I'm surprised you people (yeah...I said YOU PEOPLE) know how to read, let alone write. The constitution does not allow, require or demand that any person has the right to face their accuser(s) OUTSIDE a court of law. Mr. Cain has had years (YEARS !!) to face his accusers. He knows who they are. These accusers are only "phantoms" in your mind. What are you talking about with regard to using Microsoft Word to manufacture bogus documents? Why do call evidence in his sexual harrasment complaint "hearsay"? Mr. Cain has admitted that he was aware of these charges --- this ofcourse depends on which day and which story during that day you choose to believe. While Mr. Cain is an accomplished business man, a president he is not. I can't understand why republicans keep doing the things they do. YOU PEOPLE are an embarrassment to the American public...not to mention the human race. Mr. Cain's bid for the presidency is just as idiotic as John McCAIN's decision to take Fail'n Palin as his running mate. YOU PEOPLE are just so distraught that you can't find any dirt on President Obama. The worst thing you can come up with is that he's a distant relative of THE DICK cheney. How sad. YOU PEOPLE are a bunch of disgusting hypocrites. Worst of all, you probably think of yourselves as good christians -- try good "hypo-crist-ians"
Again Cain should have listen to his staff and not said a word. Now neither the two victims or Cain have to say a word as the complaint/ full investigation/settlement to assure no court charges filed/silence are what the people gets to decide on with explanation. Mrs. Cain cleared up the truth as she could lie in an interview and backed out which pretty much speaks to the truth. The only question left is will Americans elect a known and proven sexually harassment President in office. Herman can't get beyond the fact he was found guilty and the company paid for his misconduct.
Ha Ha HA!
It was a 35K severance package in the 90's!
You people are groping...move on, Herman. Spending time on anonymous accusers is a waste of your precious time!
You have a link for that?
His ego won't allow for it.
The people deserve the government they get. Stupid people are especially going to get a bad government. A man without honor, is a man that couldn't care less about you.
Given that there's one on the Supreme Court, I'd say the answer to your question is yes.
anytime you have to run against the media as your campaign theme, you're in trouble.
Good luck with that Mr. Cain. Didn't work too well for Sarah.
MC Cain and his funky new tune "I Can't Touch This"
And a decade goes by before the gold diggers come back to life brought to you by the hateful losers from either party.
They were paid and they accepted that pay so it was good enough a decade or better a go. But now, some slim ball finds out and lets the media have it. Scum thats all that any off them are.
If you can;t beat em with policy and sense, then rake them through the coals win at any cost that is what our politicians do on a daily basis. And they are all scum..
Mr. Cain good for you. Shove that reporter out the door and they will most likely print more about. But screw the media as neither side is fair or balanced.
It happened Jerry, are people supposed to pretend it did not, what some people call a witchhunt, others call vetting.
Huh? Was that English? I think my 3-year-old could string together a more "translatable" diatribe than that.....WoW....talking points, anyone?
Vetting yes, and if Cain did use his position and authority to pander for sexual favors from subordinates in the past and has learned nothing from it (which his present denials affirm) then he is definitely not a good candidate for the power of the presidency, which would only magnify his personal problems with power.
I think Maddow nailed it with her segment on Cain's candidacy being a matter of performance art...it can't be a serious run for the presidency when you think about it.
Jerry...let's see if I have this correct...
The women who were victims of harassment...get called:
The person (or people) who alerted the media to their harassment...get called:
The members of the media who report on the harassment...get called:
And, Mr. Cain's fellow politicians who had nothing to do with the harassment... get called:
But the slimy, scummy, hateful loser of a man who actually harassed the women... gets an atta boy for refusing to answer questions?
Did I miss anything, Jerry?
Cain basically admitted to the charges and settlements when he accused the Perry campaign for leaking the information. He admitted that he informed his campaign people in 2004 so they could prepare for damage control if it surfaced. Why is lying about it now? I would be curious to know if the females filed with EEOC. In Texas, you basically need their blessing before going after the employer.
Poor Jerry. Has anyone told you yet women are not the enemy? No? Ah. Can understand your very bad mood.
"And a decade goes by before the gold diggers come back to life brought to you by the hateful losers from either party."
The women involved did not bring this to light. This story was researched and presented by Politico. The records are available. The names of these women are protected by the non-disclosure signed by both parties. How does that make these victims "gold diggers"? Cain knew the situation, commented on the specifics and lied about his involvement.
It's easy to pass a test when you are the one submitting the questions.
here her good entry
He'll make a great president. Cain, 2012!
Nominate him!
Pleeeeeze! nominate Cain.
Sorry Republicans. I'm not one of the weak minded fools who fall for your Jedi mind tricks.
Cain is a sleazeball. He is the embodiement of all the sleazy things that republicans accuse Obama of being. The fact that republicans overlook this type of behavior while bashing poor President Obama speaks volumes about their lack of integrity. You don't get to bash people without jobs, take away my parents Social Security, run an ad that glorifies smoking, sexually harrass women and get that sh** past me. I know your kind of scum. No way. Never.
@marinmom,
One word for you "Racist"
Please nominate him! A guaranteed win for Obama! His own party outed him. (He said so) Tells you something.
Uh, no. marinmom just doesn't like Cain. It has nothing to do with his skin color. Two words for you:
"Reading"
"Comprehension"
You Cain people are really making fools of yourselves. Did you know on the first debate his closing statement was a quote from the Pokemon song. And the tax plan from the Sims is called 999. This guy is a actor! He doesn't know basic foreign policy stuff, he doesn't know what a neo-con is. If you have given this guy any money, you need to get your head examined!
but your boy noboma has right.....he has destroyed EVERY alligance we ever had in the middle and has turned hisback on Isreal...........more stupid socialists here say.....no facts just igroint opion
More conservative words of wisdom.
Whenever a liberal disagrees with you they invariably call you stupid. Just as plaidlemur has done. Rather than debate an issue and accept that there are other ideals and points of view, no you are just the town idiot. I'm getting so tired of the arrogance.
As if conservatives don't do the same thing.
Hypocrite!
hadenough, the difference is that the republicans actually are stupid.
maybe he should pray to his Invisible sky wizard.
clever comment marinmom.... and very consistent with what most of the bloggers are saying about the 'new' democrat party! Thanks for your confirmation.... maybe now more democrats will also switch parties! What a nice thought!
Kelly, I have no doubt marinmom is one of the OWS goonies that are defecating on the flag. Hopefully her kids are at home!
ok, so by telling all "liberals" that they are arrogant, not just wrong...you are...um....openminded and incredibly brilliant in your debating skills? How's that tact working for you? Make any new converts to your side yet?
Herman Cain is the conservatives idea of an intellectual. The man had no idea that China already has nuclear weapons.
The republican nutbags will counter with "Obama thinks there is 57 states" even though he was referring to states and territories. Obama, of course knows which countries have nuclear weapons.
If Herman Cain is the moral authority of the republican party, it doesn't really speak well for them. Especially when you factor in the stupitity.
I'm watching this Republican destruction as I laugh my ass off. The media has it easy. They just have to show what the candidates are saying as they go down the drain. No need to make anything up, except for FOX news of course. They are going to tell us that it's the Liberals lip syncing all those really dumb things the Rightees are saying.
I actually wish there were some Conservatives left in the Republican party. I yearn for the days of Ike Eisenhower, the only real conservative president in my life time. I voted for him as I came of age. If you are too young to know anything about Ike, I strongly suggest you study his administration. You'll realize how inept the new guys are.
I too long for the days when Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater and Bob Dole seemed like extermists. Now Eisenhower, loved his military industrial complex warning, didn't like his installing the Shah in Iran and thus helping to bring us to our current mess over there.
Actually Pippo you are right Dwight D Eisenhower was a real man - didn't he say beware the Military Buildup - by the way he also had his female driver as a paramour - as did Bush 1 - Jennifer Fitzgerald - but I guess these daliances are forgiven - by the right wing "let's crucify Clinton" interesting if your heroes do it it's Okay
However I seem to recall the right wing tried to label Eisenhower as a Communist
In the 1950's the right wing labeled everybody a communist. When they went after the US Army they screwed themselves.
President Eisenhower was a CFR member, as are ALMOST ALL politicians from both parties, which believes in Globalization and interdependence between countries. So ya can say he wasn't for complete American Sovereignty.
Why do liberals have to use caps - do they think their opinion is better than everyone else's - answer - yes
its an arrogance thingy! -= The louder they shout the dumber they are!
Grope and Strange Hermann Cain 2012
I have listened to Mr. Cain on numerous occasions and what I take away from his comments are that he is one of the many Americans who are tired of the same scam politicians from both parties run. He, if nothing else will get a lively discussion going. Thats all I would like to see, an open and honest exchange of ideals. The American people will make the right choices for this country if given the chance. Some decisions will tilt left and some will tilt right, thats what makes us great, we dont need to be total right wing or total left wing. We just need to be given honest information.
Cain is deceptive.He is a liar, He is another one of those scam politicians that americans are tired of.He is bought and paid for by the 1%.
listen to romney then , he'll change his mind to anything you say
@ted patrick, show me a president who hasn't lied to you from time to time and I'll show you the president who has fooled you the best.
All politicians lie or at least pervert the truth to suit there momentary needs, but the issue I have with the republican candidates or even conservative policies in general is that the lies are based on such stupid and internally inconsistent premises that mock intelligent discourse.
Conservatives pander to ignorance and fear and are emblematic of what is holding this country back from realizing it's ideals.
Medstud I won't argue with that, my point was that Cain has lost his crediblity because of the way he has handled this harrassment issue.If you cant see that then you are turning your head the other way so you dont have to face facts.
@ Ted (#18.5) Cain's lost credibilty with Dem's, Lib's, main stream and independants. For the 5% of people who actually support him....this issue makes him stronger. More cheers and more money. It depends on how you see things (and actually, WHAT you want to see) in life. Having your boss and HR department pay off people, not say bad things about you....well, isn't good in my book. But other see it differently, I guess. Don't misunderstand, I wasn't thinking of voting for him before this happened. I'd be nervous if my president didn't know where Ubecki-becki-stan-stan was located. And the thought that have to keep an eye on China, because they're thinking of starting to build nuclear weapons soon....Yikes. And of course we all know where his 9-9-9 plan came from {rolls eyes}. But to the 5% or whatever....hey, go for it! I wish you soooo much success getting him elected. But if that doesnt work, he'll always be a great motivational speaker/Pizza man/book seller.
He just your average dumb, arrogant brute..who think if you unemployed and not rich its your fault, he has all so stated that Black people are not saveable. who died and left this idiot in charge, I still think he is nothing more than a Koch brothers plant and a Tea Party token.
The Tea party is a racist group, and Herman Cain is their joke...can't wait until the real votes are cast...Herman will really find out his worth
hey cain, it's okay trying to get some booty...but paying for what ya didn't get is the shame, maybe ask the big kock for some ...mo money...mo money..mo money...and don't forget to kneel when begging
I wonder did you libtreds EVER hold clinton to the same ethics....answer no another covient truth.....in clintons case he was guilty time anbd time again,,,,,but that's ok right....Cain has yet to have ANYONE comeout and make a case....if he;s guilty....good by...but you cant use a onesided arguement to make your point.....hatred by any other name smells just as bad.
Hey we all secretly loved Bill Clinton for his sexual escapades
The difference is that Cain comes off a little more sleazy for some reason,
It also helped that Clinton was a very smart, politically savvy politician, which Cain is not
oh yeah james...was vince foster murdered because he was doing hillary
tony - Vince Foster commited suicide -I don't know what devils plagued him but what you are saying is pure crap
Barbara, I'm too lazy to look it up, but wasn't the shotgun found something like 20 feet away. YA gotta love those aircraft mechanical failures too. They killed how many? LOL!
and attractive.....Clinton had qualities...
YEAH .... he plaid with fat girls and cigars in the wht house ....good quality....glad you libs have such good morals ....kennedy clinton ...lol
uh, James...not, we didn't find Clinton's affairs charming. Not even in secret. You go ahead though with your secret man crush.
Kevin: "fat girls and cigars"?? And I'll bet you are demanding these 3 women reporting harrassment on Cain reveal their names and identities so you can be on there posting about whether they were 'worthy' of sexual harrassment?
Typical one sided story and NO acceptence of responsibility.....theres that word again liberals....responsibility....forgien concept I know
No, I can't say I was charmed by Clinton's transgressions, but there is one huge difference here that I haven't yet seen brought up. Clinton was the President. Cain is just a hopeful. The facts are at least two women complained of harassment by Cain and the NRA backed him by paying them (at least one) to leave quietly. Imagine, though, if Cain had not been the head of the NRA already, but was instead just being considered. Do you really think, upon hearing about these complaints, that they would have put him in charge? If you are considering hiring someone who two people allege had harassed them, and there was sufficient evidence that you would feel the need to pay them off, would you honestly hire them? I can't believe after Cain admitted there were these complaints people still consider voting for him. If he were already President and these claims came out, I would say we need to drop it (unless it was present claim).
The other part of it I don't get is why anyone still thinks Cain's the guy. I got it when he was the honest, non-politician type. But he has now proven to be dishonest, and clearly we can't back him for his knowledge, so what is it?
In a side note, I've seen quite a few posts from people who like Huntsman, and I myself am to the point that he is the only Repub I would consider anymore. Seems to me like Repubs would be wise to give him more attention.
Sorry but one experiment is enough for this Century........Why does he have the last word, I think the woman will have the last word, unless they are bought off.
I agree the the women will have the last word. But I doubt if 51% of 40 million women voters can all be bought in time.
LL
Toast! and I do not mean cheers.
This man is never going to be elected to any political office. If he were to win the Republican nomination, what a gift that would be to the President.
you seem to forget the debates....after they start whoever is the nominie........the socialist press you know cbs, msnbc, cnn, abe, nbc.....wont be able to protect your messia from the truth and facts.l Us independents LOVE facts.........your socialists master is done or havent you seen the pools.......real clear polotics.....no bias
IT IS STILL UN NAMED SOURCES these UN named sources have been offered the opportunity to come forward with the facts BUT have declined ,
AMERICANS ( intelligent ) understand the problems businesses face with frivolous law suits ,A frivolous law suite amounts to this, a suite is filled over allegations , the cost of defending against that suite is 35,000 to 50,000 dollars , IN short once the suite is filled guilty or not it is going to cost a minimum of 35'000 dollars , suite lawyers under stand these costs , so they get an easy settlement and easy pay check , ITS NOT ABOUT GUILT ,
which brings up the point that we need loser pay laws , with loser pay laws these frivolous lawsuits go away because if there is no case no guilt ,there is no suite
AS for these LADIES ( if you can call them that ) they have already got a settlement , IF they should come forward ,then there opens the door for investigation which based on the seriousness of the out come would be substantial , and IF it were determined that there original complaint was false or frivolous , THEY in turn would be subject to a suite against them and indeed may face criminal charges , IN EFFECT they could lose more than they gained ,plus ,
THERE IS A REASON THESE SUITS ARE SEALED and it wasn't to protect the business or Herman Cain ( obviously) it was to protect the complainant ,
IF these allegations were true WHY WOULD THE COMPLAINANT NEED PROTECTION , why would they not want to come forward ,
WHILE there are those that want to pronounce Herman Cain guilty with out evidence this was nothing more than a frivolous suite , THE CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE tends to suggest that this is exactly that A FALSE FRIVOLOUS SUITE ,
we really do need loser pay Laws , it is for everybody benefit EXCEPT the false frivolous suite lawyers and their clients ,
Loser pay laws were shown to INCREASE frivolous suits. People who think they have a case expect to get their legal fees. Counter-intuitive, but true.
So the multi-millionaire Cain can't afford to defend himself? I guess he did not think his good name and reputation was worth defending, because $35,000 to $50,000 is pocket change to a man of his means, if he don't think he was worth defending why should anyone else. Besides they cut her a check for $45,000, they investigated her claim and decided to spend that money on a settlement, that's certainly enough to defend against a frivolous suit, so I guess they felt she had a good case that's why they paid her instead of a lawyer to defend him.
For starters, we're not talking about one instance, it's THREE. Second, these women have seen what the right wing did to Anita Hill for coming forward about that fantastic piece of work Clarence Thomas so why would they want that hanging over them? I don't blame them, I wouldn't want my name mentioned either.
All you need to know is there were 3 separate women filing these complaints and Cain has consistently lied and then changed his story when caught in each particular lie. If he was truly innocent of these allegations and the NRA was paying the women off to avoid costly legal fees then why has he continually lied about what happened? Why not come clean the first time?
Spell come clean, how do you come clean of an accusation. I can accuse you of murder and then dissapear into the woodwork. The police might investigate and find no evidence of a murder but you have still been ACCUSED. Tell me how do you come clean of that accusation. There will still be some nitwits who believe you are guilty of the accusation no matter how much you protest, your every statement will be viewed as a fabication and a lie because you haven't come CLEAN. A man just got out of jail after spending 30 years incarcerated who was put away because he was accused. Should his accuser now be forced to come clean. We haven't heard a word from her, nor have we heard a word from Mr. Cain's accusers. Could they POSSIBLY have been lying from jump street. Or are you one of those closed minded people who think that women who cry wolf always see a wolf.
No we are not closed minded,The real issues are that Cain lied and lost his credibility.Which severely damages his ability to be a candidate.Simple
Boy, no leap of facts in this post, Darrel. You are starting off with the assumption that all women lie about allegations of sexual harassment when most women WON'T file a complaint since they are fearful of the repercussions. It is not true that companies settle just to get rid of the problem. They also settle to avoid a larger award should the grieved party win.
Your "paragraph" (if you can call it that) about why these women do not wish to be in the public spotlight is purely speculative, based nothing on the law. I rather imagine that they don't wish to be harassed by people who think like you do, and are acting to protect their families. By the way, the word you are searching for is "suit."
Those of you who see Cain as Presidential material (another leap of fantasy) need to remember that there is not just one complaint against him. He will not be President, he is not capable of being President, and the Republican party will not tolerate his candidacy. So, as much fun as it is to watch Cain squirm around and make a fool out of himself, he should go back to running pizza stands.
NewDayDawning, Cain is not making a fool of himself. He is making fools of his followers. He has done nothing but quote cartoon characters as poets, copied 999 tax plan from SimCity, quoted Chris Rock with his 'brother from a different mother', stated in ONE interview that government should stay out of the abortion issue - it should be between the woman and her family - but it should be illegal. His ads are eerie and way too creepy. He is on a book tour and using running for president as a means to sell books and become a commentator. My worse fear is that Cain could become the GOP nominee. With all the voter suppression and redistricting that is going on right now, we could end up with Cain as president. That would mean the Koch brothers and Norquist would have complete control of our country. This is a very scary election year.
You may be correct on that, Moderate Indy. I disagree that there is a risk he will become President. He does well amongst the extremist, he will not do well in the general campaign.
It's all MSM smoke and mirrors. There is no story!
Darrell
Thank you for your stream of consciousness.
Please note that your post is inherently contradictory. You postulate that the reason they don't want to appear in public is that they will be characterized as gold digging whores ripping off the justice system.
Then you assert that they are gold digging whores ripping off the justice system because they declined to identify themselves.
A better reason for not entering the public eye is that they know there are enough fruitcakes like you out there that they would be accused of crucifying Jesus Christ, among other things.
I encourage you to continue your mindless support for Mr. Cain. I hope you empty the tin can you buried in your back yard. Maybe even cash in those gold bars Glenn Beck sold you. Mr. Cain's continued quest is highly entertaining and Mr. Obama's early Christmas present.
Well that's odd. I thought for sure I read on here that the restaurant association CONFIRMED there were two filings and two separate payouts. Now you can believe that those were just 'nuisance' hush money payouts to make everything go away...but I'm guessing the association knew it would be responsible for far bigger checks if it went to a jury. Either way...the accusations themselves and their payouts in exchange for silence were confirmed. (some of us don't believe women always lie...and a good deal of us who believe that, vote.)
One, you don't know what kind of pressure has been placed on these women not to talk about the incidents and two why can't the information be supplied by the association without giving the women's names. It takes a lot of guts for a woman to file a complaint. They are almost always accursed of lying and or "asking for it". Of course "asking for it" can simply be walking into a room.
Darrell, it's suit. A suite is a place where Cain wanted to take the women.
Cain will never be chosen as the candidate. This is his last few times in the spotlight since his story has caught up to him. He could have handled it differently, by being upfront, admitting his mistakes and doing this before it blew up in his face, but now that the NRA and the woman's attorney have stated that there is a very difference sequence of events, the payments have been acknowledged and once you compare all this to Cain's telling everyone "he didn't remember because there was nothing to remember" only to later hear him begin to remember and finally to brand himself as a liar, woman abuser and immoral. All this while representing the Right? Now the images of being dressed as a preacher, his singing and ads seem downright "pervy".... this is not a decent man, this is not who you thought he was.
Something very telling also has come out, because it seems Cain was also trying to run a few months before the actual events unfolded way back in the 90's.... due to the charges leveled against him, the payments made to several women, other incidents reported and such, he cancelled his campaign. He knew that then yet he thought that just with the passage of time, all would be forgiven and the events of the past would never be brought up? He seemed peeved to be asked about all this, blaming everyone else in the world pretty much..... only to be undone by.... himself. He showed himself to be naive or stupid about the political arena; he showed thin skin which is also ill suited to this as is his pompous, self-righteous attitude he displays about many things. The media, other candidates and the public in general will look and find anything of value in your life and it doesn't matter how far back this goes either.... his stating that "it happened a long time ago and it's not ethical to bring it up now" only points to his unsuitability for the political arena, and judging by his past actions, for other arenas dealing with people as well.
He's quick to use the race card for anything said against him, yet.... everyone and every party is subjected to this and it has nothing to do with color at all. Think you're so smart and ready for the big pond? think again, you're nothing but a nasty little fish trying to swim against the current that leads to the ocean.... you'll never make it.
You nailed it B Garcia.
I don't agree with B. Garcia on some fundamental points. First and foremost, you stated that Cain was quick to pull the "Race Card", when anything has been said against him. I found that amusing. Isn't this what Obama and his Democratic supporters have been doing for over three years? Every time Obama or his supporters are challenged regarding Obama's lack of real leadership, excessive spending, broken campaign promises, mockery of Constitutional Immigration Laws or increased government control bills pending in Washington out comes the "Race Card". The double standard exhibited by Democrats is nothing shy of hilarious.
However, back to Cain. What I have been pondering during this alleged sexual harassment scenario is: Why now? Many of these alleged incidents were over eleven (11) years ago. If there were any real basis to these claims, why wait eleven years until Cain is running as a GOP candidate? Cain is a successful business man, why wasn't a civil action, at the very least, previously filed? Why were these cases not properly reported to law enforcement authorities and investigated to determine if there were any basis to these allegations?
As of today, there are no legal investigations or civil actions pending regarding any of these alleged incidents. What we have is a "Smear Campaign" in the media. I don't know whether these allegations are true or not; but, what I do know is it's hard to beat media "hate gossip". What appears to be the heart of the issue is: Cain is black and Democrats saw him as a threat. What better way to address the issue, than take Cain out early by crucifying him in the media with decades old allegations that can't be proved one way or the other. For heaven's sake, even the statute of limitations has expired. Has anyone considered what better way to disarm Cain, than to have him defend allegations instead of continually exposing Obama's dismal record and excessive government control policies and spending?
The last card Herman Cain should pull is the race card, afterall he is a self hater, in other words Herman Cain is the type of Black man that hates his race...it has nothing to do with his conservative values..it has to do with the fact that he hates other Blacks...his past statements prove that he is a self hating Black person. this is not something new in the Black race..it can be traced back too slavery, that their are people within the group..who are victimized themselves and will continue too victimize the group as a whole, he wants to be accepted by the people he truly value and that would be the White race...he has alway gotten by not because of his brain power over the past 40 years, he has gotten by as the token Black, that White always had to place on display in order to prove they were progressive and accepting of Blacks, he was the go to Black guys, for business, photo-opts and social circle. He is the ideal Tea Party prop...this is a part he has played his entire life..he's the typical token brother from another mother...
Nahleigh, are you referring to ...
Juanita Broaddrick - the FBI determined there was no credibility to her claim of sexual assault. The press corps, in general, discounted her for an inconstant and an ever-changing recount of the alleged incident.
Kathleen Willey - After the investigation, the FBI determined that she lying about an alleged kiss in the Oval Office and graciously decided to NOT formally charge her with providing false statements after an exhaustive investigation.
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Pointing the finger at the three victims of Cain's advances (and to what extent those advances were has yet to be released) and ask, "but why ..." is ridiculous. It's estimated that over half the rapes that occur in the United States are not reported to law enforcement agencies [link]. Elsewhere, the common citations for the primary reasons cited include fear of retribution [link].
That aside, Cain's smug behavior regarding the now-confirmed incidents speaks volumes as to this man's character. The dude is revolting on so many levels; he is a creep of epic proportions.
I'm not a fan of Obama; I didn't vote for the guy. But since the "right" is incapable of fielding anyone that isn't a pandering, shilling side-show, I will be casting my vote for him in the hopes that my votes prevents any one of these psychos -- Cain included -- from reaching the Oval Office.
you almost had me beliving you........NO ONE hs come forward so your "crediable" is not there...do you know what they look like,no.....keep reaching for straws....maybe you'll get lucky
YouJustSaidWhat
You are so right the incidents involving Clinton were unsubstantiated, and the ones involving Cain resulted in settlements. The reason the woman has decided not to come forward is obvious, she has been warned about the tea party lunatics that will show up on her doorstep if her name ever became public.
A reporter's job is to ask tough questions. after all he was not on Faux News. If you don't like the big time your excellency go make pizza. Cain has no patience for those who do not cow tow to him. The press will keep at him as they should. He is an Oligarch, a man of power and with no empathy for those not of his class. Not a man of or for the people but a man for no season and with no reason.
Eagleshadow #26,
Your next to the last sentence describes most of our politicians.