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Subscribe to RSSDES MOINES, IA -- The two current Iowa front-runners were conspicuously absent, but five other GOP presidential candidates were on hand to promote their conservative bona fides to about a thousand Iowa Republicans Friday night in Des Moines.
With Mitt Romney and Herman Cain giving the state Republican Party's annual Ronald Reagan Dinner a pass, the remaining candidates refrained from taking shots at each other, focusing their fire squarely on President Barack Obama.
“Sixty days. Sixty days from right now we start the process of choosing Barack Obama’s Republican successor, and it starts here in Iowa," state GOP Chairman Matt Strawn told attendees just before the candidates spoke.
For the third Iowa candidate confab in a row, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich won one of the strongest responses from the conservative audience. (He was equally well received at the National Association of Manufacturers Forum this week and at an Iowa Faith and Freedom forum two weeks ago.)
Gingrich spent much of his speech praising the four other rivals with whom he shared the stage. "This is a great group. There are a couple I wish were here tonight. I would have said nice things about them. But we'll skip over that,” he said. “I am here with very fine competitors, but no opponents. We only have one opponent, that's Barack Obama.”
Gingrich also brought up his idea of Lincoln-Douglas style debates, promising he will hold President Obama to them if he is the nominee.
“If I end up as the nominee, in my acceptance speech if the president has not yet agreed, I will announce that from that day forward for the rest of the campaign, the White House will be my scheduler,” Gingrich told the crowd to cheers. “Wherever the president appears, I will appear four hours later.”
Texas Gov. Rick Perry won laughs for joking that the Republican field is "involved in a project called Operation Occupy the White House," going on to describe his anti-Washington credentials.
In a speech heavily themed around having the "courage" to address tough issues like spending cuts and entitlement reform, Perry declared that "the future of America is too important to be left to the Washington politicians."
He promised to freeze salaries for members of Congress and non-military federal employees, and he criticized the ongoing congressional "Super Committee", addressing competitor Newt Gingrich directly by asking "we've had 20 different committees over 30 years?" to address the debt.
"It's easier to people to put studies together than it is to have the courage to stand up say here's what needs to be done and do what needs to be done," Perry said in an energetic speech that received just polite applause from the crowd.
Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum was quick to tout his recent achievement in the Hawkeye State.
“I am proud to announce that I did a Grassley –- I have been to all 99 counties in the State of Iowa,” Santorum said as he started, referring to Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley. “I have had a wonderful experience.”
Later, Santorum, who is still trailing in the polls despite his constant presence in Iowa, talked about the Faith, Family, & Freedom Tour he launched today.
“Everybody else has put up an economic plan; I’ve put up an economic plan. But no one has put up a plan to strengthen the American family, to make sure we have strong marriages in our country, to defend the institutions of marriages,” he said. “I did."
Perry, Santorum, and Ron Paul worked the crowd before the event started, posing for photos and taking questions from some famously inquisitive Iowa voters, while Michele Bachmann and Gingrich lingered in the VIP room until the dinner began.
During her address, Bachmann sounded themes familiar to Iowans who visited her high-energy stump events of July and August, during the run-up to her win at the Ames Straw Poll.
Reprising her message from this summer’s fight over the debt ceiling, Bachmann also voiced concerns about events in Europe, where Greece at one point this week deferred a bailout package from the European Union, setting off panic in world markets.
“Maybe they just didn’t want to cut back on their spending,” Bachmann said. “The rest of the world looked at Greece and said, ‘Are you out of your mind? Take the deal or you go down the drain.’”
Reiterating a message she introduced during an economic policy address earlier this week, Bachmann used Greece’s story as a warning.
“What we need to do right now in the United States is take a real good look in the mirror,” she said.
Texas Rep. Paul advocated for the elimination of the income tax, saying that the idea of liberty means that Americans should be able to keep what they make.
“Shouldn’t it also follow that we have a right to the fruits of our labor? Which implies that there should be no income tax!"
Paul offered a typically passionate pitch to slash spending, end wars aboard, and eliminate numerous federal agencies -- including the Education Department.
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Ahhh!
The annual St. Reagan rubber chicekn dinner in IA!
I wouldn't buy a used car for any of these clowns... let alone VOTE them in as President!
I never agree with Morning Joke but, am starting to think he may be onto something when he said; *paraphrasing*
True Republicans have resigned themselves to the fact they will lose in 2012 & are focusing on 2016...
"I wouldn't buy a used car for any of these clowns"
Feisty, you should have bought a used car, and then cashed it in.
Havent you heard of the tremendously successful Obama program called "Cash for Clunkers"? You could have cashed in and gotten more government boodle. Though George Soros pays you pretty well, no doubt.
bob-1887910,
I'm beginning to think you are W. Much like W, you say nothing of value.
So AnaB -
So, how'd you'd like cash for clunkers?
And say, do you find that, unlike bob, Feisty says something of value?
Really AnaB, or is it just that Feisty is on your 'team?'
How about you AnaB, what value do you bring to the table?
Me, I like the letter W. I find it has great value. In fact its [W]orth is well known, eh AnaB?
How about YOU spanky... what value do you bring to the table?
Anything except deflection, or off-topic questions? Any real answers or proper, legitimate authority citations?
Just curious....
NO Koch!
Pepsi!
NO fries... Chips...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_b9XwloHE&feature=player_detailpage
Classic! lmao
Could this be the reason Hermie skipped the dinner?
I cant wait till Mitt is the nominie and I get to hear why the teabaggers are FOR him rather than just AGAINST Obama
1 Defend Romney Care
2. Praise the first Mormon president
3. Defend how Romney was for gay rights before he waffled on it
4. Defend how Romney was pro choice before he was against it
5. Defend how Romney said man had some influence on global warming and we should try to curtail it before he said we should now not curtail CO2 emissions
-could go on but.....
So Not as Stupid, you do understand context, right?
My comment was in response to AnaB, who was criticizing bob for having no substance.
But that's ok, I don't expect you to get that little nugget.
But tell you what Stupid, let's give it a try, k?
Go ahead and ask me something you feel is legitimate.
Then you and I will engage in an in depth discussion.
We got al week end, right Stupid?
So let's go - hit me.
And mine was a response to that! But I don't really expect you to get that little nugget.
Sorry to disappoint Spank - already tried your suggestion several times to no avail: see the 11/3 "Boehner: Norquist just..." @ 1.46 where I 'splained to one of your minions/defenders:
However, I do want to keep your offer for a time when I do have "al week end" for "an in depth discussion" on a topic that is "legitimate." Not certain that is possible, but will try sometime; unfortunately my schedule is full this week end.
But don't go away spank... I know you won't, right? Well.... maybe you will. Everyone know that is your style - right spanky? e.g. see:
But, hey.... have a good one. I WILL be back, hopefully with more time.
Sorry to say I missed those posts. And by 'go away' yeah, I do from time to time need do some work.
You know being a 1% is hard.
Tell you what Stupid - re-post them and I'd be happy to respond. As for the comments of others, well as neat as they are, I have many fans here. In fact there is a whole crew know as Spanky's Army.
So 'rip away Not, I'll check back from time to time this weekend.
[Sorry to say I missed those posts.]
Oh my! How convenient! Keep 'em coming, "counselor"...!
I can't believe the MSNBC editors missed blacking out Ron Paul! Someones head is going to roll on Monday morning.
Who is Ron Paul?
It must be frustrating to be a Tea Party supporter these days.
None of the GOP candidates are very promising.
Guess the rednecks will have to wait until 2016 to get "that horrible man" out of the whitehouse.
The candidates are weak but I have been looking at lots of poll data this morning, and I don't think the candidate makes any difference now, it seems to me they have lost the message, everything republican is sinking and everything democratic is ticking up. If republicans spend another year beating the same old drum, they are going to have big problems in elections from the local level right up to the oval office. It no longer matters who the spokesperson is, the message is now a problem for them, coupled with an inability or more likely their unwillingness to yield or compromise and produce legislation that would benefit millions is sinking them. The screw Obama (and you to in the process) message is just not working so well anymore, they have let it turn the corner, and now the worse everything gets, it gets worse for them, and better for Obama and democrats. Welcome to Waterloo, keep bashing the president, keep killing bills, keep ignoring and insulting OWS protesters, keep bashing public sector employees, keep it up with all the political suicide attempts, and republicans will finally succeed at committing that suicide. Obama will load a nice eulogy for republicans into his teleprompter, and read it at their funeral.
So Forrest - you suppose the current focus on debts and deficits was a democrat idea?
You think Obama and Pelosi got together last December and decided that lowering taxes was the right thing to do.
Let me guess Forrest -Obama's commissioning of Simpson Bowles was the fulfillment of a campaign promise he made in '08?
The fact that all eyes are on the Debt Commission right now is all cause of the progressive caucus?
Nope Forrest the Tea Party won the battle. The current narrative is the Tea Party's narrative.
The Tea Party has chilled out, cause those of us that want to reign in debt, cut deficit spending and lower taxes shellacked you libbie big spenders last election.
So let's let the Debt COmmision play out, shall we?
And for the record - it isn't "screw Obama." It's screw Obama's tax and spend, accumulation of $4.4 Trillion in just three years agenda.
Or have you already forgotten Spring '09? Remember, when you libbies pronounced the death of conservatives for 40 years?
Cause we have not.
Which is exactly why the poll date shows people feel they were better off before Obama spent the $4 Trilion.
Oh and Forrest, Happy $15 Trillion. Feels grand right?
*****Seriously Forrest - how's Ms. Forrest today?
She is much better today Spanky, thank you for asking. The debt is a serious issue, and the tea party brought that into clear focus, but is not the singular problem we have, the bottom line is people will vote to eat they want jobs the government spent on wars, they bailed out the banks and wall street and they want a big spending job bill, and they want taxes raised on the wealthy. They want what they want whether the tea party thinks it is prudent or not. You don't tell your kids they can't eat because your household is in debt, you still have to provide the at least the basics, and I believe the American people are at that point, the tea party message is losing steam not because it is invalid but because they have now overplayed their hand, overplayed it badly, if republicans would have allowed some tax increases, along with some spending on the common electorate for infrastructure and other needs, they would have had an easy time beating Obama. They can no longer blame him and him alone, people could care less about the national debt if they think they are going to lose the roof over their heads. If they would have given a little and let things improve for the country they could have taken some credit, as it is now the political reality is that they are perceived as totally blocking everything people want, they tie the presidents hands every chance they have and it is losing favor fast with the electorate, they are now taking the blame for everything, except low taxes and spending. Problem is 80% of the electorate wants to raise your taxes Spanky, and many, many people want some spending with regards to jobs. The worse the economy gets the less people people worry about high taxes, when you are not making any money you don't pay taxes anyway, they see corporations paying no taxes, so they say well hell how do reduce taxes if they are not paying any now. They are voting their pocketbook now not yours, bottom line is they have to eat, and they will vote for that, and republicans continue to deny that they are doomed. They also see it as I said it that the republicans are punishing Obama but they becoming collateral damage in a political war, so they won't punish Obama for that they will punish republicans. Obama is gaining and they are losing, because they overplayed their hand, which is a shame because they had valid points, but so did democrats but now they are seen as only protecting the wealthy and nobody else, and in politics perception is reality, right or wrong, what looks good is good and what appears bad is bad. The republicans appear as if they don't give a damn about 15 million unemployed Americans, true or not, many people believe that so strongly they are protesting in the streets, which is something we have not seen in about 50 years, that is a bigger deal than republicans care to acknowledge. They are not protesting because their taxes are too high now are they, by and large they are protesting what republicans are defending tooth and nail. It is not smart politics to ignore a huge chunk of the electorate, Obama offered some cuts, republicans refuse to spend a dime, he is seen as the reasonable one they are now perceived as unreasonable, they won't let him do much so he can't be blamed for much and they have absolutely nothing they can take credit for outside the tea party, which means they can't win a general election. If the economy gets better Obama will get credit and if it gets worse republicans will take the blame, thats how bad they overplayed the debt and taxes hand.
Yeah, Obama has been a real boon for War Criminals, wow, I am impressed with his continuation of Bush policy...DHS, TSA, Torture, Rendition,Drone Bombing Civilians in Libya, Continuation of Gitmo, Assassination of Anyone at Anytime(Star Chamber Justice), More Bailouts for Wallstreet, Homeless Population Rising Rapidly, Endless War, etc. What's next Mr. Obama? Is Iran and or Syria next on the agenda...WW 3 maybe??
I sense the same thing from my repub friends and relatives Feisty. An impending sense of doom. Their comments betray a resignation that inwardly, they feel 2012 will be a disaster for them.
All over but the doin' now........
Fat lady hasn't sung for the Republican Party yet,.....but she is clearing her throat.
I've noticed how NONE of the FR posters will/have endorsed any of the insane clown posse...
Weird...
It's ALL about President Obama bashing & 'nontroversies' 24/7 with them!
Come to think of it - the nut job from NJ did endorse the drug induced idiot from TX! lmao
She sure knows how to pick the winner! ;o)
THis from Feisty who proclaims that she has so many here on 'ignore.'
See libbies you all love to ignore this that make you uncomfortable, and spin anything negative about your team.
All well and good, please do what you got to do to get through life, but this is why this are always so 'unexpected' to you all.
Landslide guys. ABO.
But how about this GOPE - Right Track Wrong Track and more importantly Obama's numbers in the swing states per the USA Today poll.
He's toast. Over 60% in those states feel they were better off 4 years and $4 Trillion ago.
Oh and welcome to $15 Trillion.
Feels great, right gang?
Right. And how much of that is attributable to Reagan, Bush41, Clinton interest and Bush43?
Probably pretty nigh close to $14 trillion.
www.zfacts.com
GOPE - easily googled answers, right?
Debt when the Big O took office $10.6 T
Debt right now $14.975 T
Years of Reagan and the Bushs - 20yrs in the WH.
Years of Obama's Presidency - 3yrs.
So what is it you are saying?
Between 1998-2000, the publicly held debt was reduced by $363 billion—the
largest three-year pay-down in American history. Under Presidents Reagan and
Bush, the debt held by the public quadrupled. Under the Clinton-Gore budget, we
are on track to pay off the entire publicly held debt on a net basis by 2009.
To bad we than had Bush who came in and wrecked the economy
1. Tax cuts to the upper tax bracket (when they didnt need it)
2. Unfunded wars
3. Medicare perscrition drug
Thank you President Obama for getting the economy back on track (despite the TP/GOP and bluedogs)
.....and how much more did the debt go up when Obama dragged the war and Medicare scrip IOU's out from under the rug Spanks? Things really escalated from there didn't they?
Full disclosure Spanks?
Did you omit some figures in your brief? How often does that work when you try to blow it by a judge?
Care to enlighten us as to what a judge would do to you if you tried to pull that stunt in a court of law?
Can you say "disbarred"? :o)
Disbarred - like Clinton?
GopE - are the figure incorrect?
How so?
Obama is very talented at increasing the debt. $4T in 3 years.
Yo- sceeminglib - Obama's tax cuts for the rich. Say it with me. Obama signed those tax cuts into law. Bush was long gone.
So he 'wrecked' the economy, right?
Say, is he a Norquist groupie too?
"Texas Rep. Paul advocated for the elimination of the income tax, saying that the idea of liberty means that Americans should be able to keep what they make"
Is Paul advocating that GE, Exxon, Shell and Big Banks, etc. should get an even bigger rebate?
They are already getting incentives to do business, tax loopholes (pay no taxes), then get rebates in the millions.
Of course he is!
Feisty, as for the 'rubber chicken'........doubt that it's even chicken...The TeaPeople don't like regulations..so, be gone FDA!...maybe they can let their taste buds (stomaches) guide them.....personal responsibility!
Come on now chilled... nothing screams tea bagger quite like a rubber chicken, a white sheet & a plastic Jesus! ;o)
GOP,
There you go again with the left wing lies. As you said the Big O took office with a $10.6T debt, and he has increased it to almost $15T, that is $4.4T in just under 3 yrs.
FYI, the money for the war was not in President Bush's annual budgets, and the money was usually in a supplemental or emergency appropriation bills approved by congress. The money was added to the debt ceiling, regardless of what the left wingnuts keep saying, as every penny spent by the government is accounted for.
Spanky, the left wingnuts just won't listen to anything but their own liberal talking points. I keep telling them that the Bush tax cuts expired at the end of last year, but Obama liked them so much he extended them for two more years. There are now Obama's tax cuts, not Bush's.
"nothing screams tea bagger quite like a rubber chicken, a white sheet & a plastic Jesus! ;o)
...add a gun and the picture is complete!
chilled - straight up: does it bother you that Immelt is on Obama's 'team?
Why does he surround himself with dirtbags like Immelt and Corzine?
And of course Rangle was in charge of the tax code for many years.
So complicated that Geitner couldn't figure it out.
June 7, 2011, is a momentous day in US history. It marks the 10-year anniversary of the signing into law of the Bush tax cuts, a day when President George W. Bush helped replace an unprecedented
federal budget surplus with a mountain of debt in order to slash taxes for rich
people (including dead ones).
Obama did indeed extend the bush era tax cuts but he had to to get unemployment benifits extended.
And why? beacuse the teabaggers are all about the upper 1% and could care less about the middle/lower class.
Surpise they didnt make the US Motto "Let Them Eat Cake"
Did BUSH wreck the economy? Hech yeah he did!
In 2000 the dept clock ran BACKWARDS!!!
(guess your now going to say just months after Bush was elected it was due to his ??/what??? cowboy hat?
sreeeeminglib,
Same old left wing talking points. Obama extended Bush's tax cuts because of unemployment benefits. That is the biggest crock of crap I keep hearing. Obama could have vetoed the tax cuts and requested the congress address the unemployment issue in a separate bill. He should have, if he was serious, called the republicans bluff. It showed he was, and is, a very weak negotiator and was more concerned about campaigning for reelection than the nation's business.
The tea party could care less about the 1%, since most are not in that category. What the tea party is concerned about is the run away spending, waste, fraud, and over lapping programs in Washington. There, the tea party, are concerned about the bloated government, and constant bickering and campaigning.
GOP,
I'm not a true repub, but are you crazy?
No President in history has ever been re-elected with approval, wrong track, unemployment and GDP growth numbers as bad as Obama's a year out.
But maybe the Fast & Furious / Solyndra scandals will help, huh? All the green dream waste as more failures, stories of giving money to his rich billionaire bundler buddies to build $100,000 2 seat sports cars with a 30 mile range IN FINNLAND, etc. scandals ....
Oh yea Obama is the 1st President in history to be downgraded, is the most polarizing President in Gallup history, etc. ...... those things ought'a help, right?
Resigned to a loss .... hardly.
More like, let's bury this POSPOTUS and save the country from Obama turning into it into another Greece.
sfcret
Kidding right? With the GOP having signed ol Grovers pledge and lacking 60 plus votes in the Senate there was no way Obama could have done this regardless of how good a negotiator he is or is not.
-come back at me with he had control of Congress and Executive branch yada yada yada (Ill get back with ya if you want but another day..gym time) Hint: how many weeks did he have a filibuster proof Senate
sreeeeminglib,
maybe you should go to the library and learn something about the government and not the gym. I doubt that the congress would not have approved the unemployment bill on a stand alone item. Obama kept saying he would not sign any bill that extended the Bush tax cuts, yet he did because he has no guts to stick by his words. He has caved on most subjects when it comes to negotiating because he is a weak leader and is to busy campaigning all the time, mostly on the tax payers dime.
Obama has to learn he can't run around the country promising one thing and then doing just the opposite. The Bush tax cuts are now the "OBAMA TAX CUTS", get over it.
libwithscreamingstupidity,
About those Bush tax cuts "costing" money - the ones you say that wrecked the economy
Clinton’s best year, 2000, generated revenue of $2.025 trillion.
(After Bush’s tax cuts in 2003 had time to take effect:)
Bush’s revenue in 2005 was $2.153 trillion. 6% above Clinton’s best year.
Bush’s revenue in 2006 was $2.406 trillion. 16% above Clinton’s best year.
Bush’s revenue in 2007 was $2.568 trillion. 21% above Clinton’s best year.
Bush’s revenue in 2008 was $2.524 trillion. 20% above Clinton’s best year.
[Source was OMB, Historical Tables, Table 1.3, 25-MAR-11]
So what were you saying about revenue?
Also take into consideration that Bush "inherited" a recession (and a pending mortgage meltdown).
About your surplus - "largest three-year pay-down in American history crap ....
The national debt increased every year under Clinton.
FY 1993 - $4.411488 Trillion
FY 1994 - $4.692749
FY 1995 - $4.973982
FY 1996 - $5.224810
FY 1997 - $5.413146
FY 1998 - $5.526193
FY 1999 - $5.656270
FY 2000 - $5.674178
FY 2001 - $5.807463
[Source US Treasury Dept.]
So what 3 years did the debt get paid down?
Don't know what you are talking about .... kinda confused?
Don't know the difference between a budget surplus, Public Debt / Intra-Gov Holdings and National Debt?
Have no clue what the lib trick / myth is?
Obviously.
sreeeeminglib......
" Obama did indeed extend the bush era tax cuts but he had to to get unemployment benifits extended."
Besides unemployment benefits, President Obama also signed: Government Funding; Food Safety; DADT; 9/11 responders health care; New Start Treaty, etc.
The TeaPeoples only concern was for their bush era tax cuts!
President Obama gave in to their tax cuts to achieve so many other important things that mattered to so many!
Yet the "bush era tax cuts" generated more revenue - more money out of the rich than Clinton's higher rates did.
You don't like getting more money out of the rich, chilled?
President Obama gave in to their tax cuts to achieve so many other important things that mattered to so many
Obama piddled around and ran out of time and got trapped by the GOP.
Yea "the other important things" - like subordinating our right to self defense to the Russians with START II?
There is nothing in the current polls that would indicate Obama will lose, and certainly nothing to indicate he would lose by a landslide. Romney is the candidate that seems to have the best chance against him, but Cain polls higher with republicans for the nomination, even though his numbers against Obama are considerably weaker than Romney's. Congress's numbers are dismal to put it kindly, but the democrats have a considerable lead, right tack wrong track numbers are dismal but Obama's job approval numbers are on the rise, they are less than 50% which is not good but they have swung nearly 20 points in two months. Republicans continue to beat themselves up, insisting on what the American people want, but it is obvious that they don't understand what the American people want because they continue to backslide. I keep hearing this ABO chant from posters here and how Obama should be toast, that he can't possibly be re-elected with the high unemployment and what have you, but there is nothing to indicate that he is toast in fact as I said, he is slightly ahead of all republican candidates. It would appear that the electorate is deciding that republicans are more responible for the wrong track numbers than democrats, and Obama.
bob-1805084
No President in history has ever been re-elected with approval, wrong track, unemployment and GDP growth numbers as bad as Obama's a year out.
That may be true Bob. But, which of the Republican candidates can do a better job as president?
Or, are you in the "Micky Mouse would do a better job" club?
The MM club Tea Party idiots don't have a viable candidate. Soon, the old, white, better-than-though bigots will have to go back to Tobacco Road and sit on the porch chewing chaw until 2016.
No President in history has ever been re-elected with approval, wrong track, unemployment and GDP growth numbers as bad as Obama's a year out.
There is a first time for everything, and it looks likely that 2012 will be the first for this. Because the electorate is now blaming republicans for those horrible numbers more than the president, probably because they boast a lot about how they feel they were elected to stop him. Probably because they sign pledges to Norquest and hold that above what the majority of the country wants. Probably because they openly and proudly proclaimed they will make this his Waterloo and their top priority was to make him a one term president, right from the very start of his term. People thought that was heated political rhetoric now they see it as a very real agenda. Whatever the reasons are, the fact is people are blaming the president less and republicans more for those dismal numbers. The electorate is deciding that republicans are more a part of the problem than they are a solution to the problems facing them in their daily lives as Americans.
Forrest,
Current polls aren't history, but history of current polls say he loses.
Obama is out'a luck if he thinks a right wing repubs will sit this one out because a McCain moderate like Romney is running. Same thing with Cain. ABO for any repub and the vast majority of independents who won't swallow Obama's BS again.
........ and the rest of your post ....... is a nice fuzzy meme though.
That's straight up right bob - I might not love Romney, but it has to be ABO.
Plus it appears that Forrest is not looking at many polls, cause Obama is toast, particularly in the swing states.
But this is why everything is always 'unexpected' to them.
Head in the sand and all.
Cautiouslycluelessone,
Lowest employment since the 80's.
Lowest property ownership since the 60's.
Highest deficit to GDP since the 40's.
Worst long term unemployment since the 30's.
Highest government dependency rate of all time.
Biggest debt in the history of the mankind.
Is Mickey Mouse a clueless, narcissistic, socialistic community organizer who can waste trillions, destroy the life blood of an economy (the energy industry), destroy confidence of the public and business, create such uncertainity, put the economy on the wrong track, downgrade the credit rating, devalue the dollar with "quantitative easing" ......
ABO ... even MM .... a fictional cartoon character. (Nothing is better than something as devastating as Obama.)
A regular "Food Stamp Nation" eh bob.
Sad how bad it is right now.
Obama done sucked all the Hope clean out of the place.
I second Bobs notion, as I would vote for any repub over the failure BHO has been. And the only reason the polls are swinging slightly for BHO right now is his rhetoric and the media backing him up on the idea that the GOP has no plans and only acts to block his agenda. And as far as Mickey Mouse, any candidate in the field is better then Mickey. You guys elected Mickey LAST time.
But funny how we are starting to hear little snippets of the bills passed by the House being shelved in the Senate. Start8ing to hear the rumblings over Solyndra, Fast and Furious, etc. And BHO makes a big deal over Corzine being "His Guy". Brilliant. The ideas inside the "Jobs Bill" are coming out, and people are starting to question the wisdom of fixing things by adding more government workers, when the government is already broke.
Daily mood is a swinging pendulum. The facts of the Democrat Senate being the holdup will eventually come out and be realized. you cannot continue to tell lies that everything is bad because the GOP is doing nothing. They are doing plenty. The truth that the roadblock is the Democrat Senate will come to the surface. You cant keep telling lies forever and expect them to be believed without question. The scandal of Cain will be overshadowed by Fast and Furious and Solyndra et al. And the Pendulum will swing back the other way.
But at the end of the day the only thing that will matter is the record of the past 4 years. No GOP or slightly right leaning independent will cross the road and vote for BHO. It happened last time because it was historic They are smart enough to realize the mistake of 4 years ago. The Dem base is demoralized. The historic nature of BHO's election has faded and it will not draw the black vote out like it did last time. The independents are hurting and will vote ontheir status compared to 4 years ago. The swing states will swing the other way.
And he will lose in a landslide. It is all but guaranteed. And I cannot wait for the day.
The fact remains the only person happy with the performance of BHO is Jimmy Carter. He is finally not the worst president in history. BHO will own that title.
ABO 2012
Hmmmm...
8+ hours later and still not one of the right wing nuts has explained which candidate they support and WHY?
Instead we get more pontificating & visions of grandeur on an election that is a year away! lmao!
Come on guys... grow some balls and step up to the plate will ya?
Last time I checked 'ABO' is not on the ticket!
I was looking at lots of polls, and lots of averages of polls, and if you think democrats are going to sit this one out they are not, bottom line is you can say what you want Bob and Spanky but I did not see but one single poll that had Obama losing, that single poll was republican produced and had Mitt ahead by one point in a head to head match-up, every other one had Obama beating Mitt, Cain, or Perry, I guess they are not even considering the other candidates. Now if you guys want to hook me up with what you are looking at I will be glad to check it out. So you guys don't think a nearly 20 point swing overall for the better for Obama in two months has any significance at all?
Why put our business on the street? The republican field is what it is at this moment. No primaries have taken place so a premature estimation is uncalled for. We know who the libbies are voting for. Obama is their man of man's. He's the predominant contender... all talk and no action... and that's exactly what libbies like. I know who I like for a republican candidate... but why say it? I don't play the "gotcha" game with anyone. So as far as the naming your candidate challenge... why should I play? But since the libbies are voting for the marxist in the White House... at least we know whom to focus on... even though libbies ignore all the sewer water flowing from 200 Pennsylvania Ave.
Forrest Grump said: I did not see but one single poll that had Obama losing, that single poll was republican produced and had Mitt ahead by one point in a head to head match-up, every other one had Obama beating Mitt, Cain, or Perry,
So tell me Forrest - were the other polls you looked at Democratic produced? It seems to me that if they were produced by those on the left, the majority of those polls would have Obama ahead. The left keeps on feeding the left. While they do this, and imagine that Obama is going to win, they forget about 2 other factions that aren't as eager to vote Obama this time. Those are the independents, and the Republicans. In 08, Obama had a portion of the Republican vote and a great portion of the independent vote.
Considering the fact that this country is off kilter due to the leadership and heading at break neck speed towards the left, the center right majority are not as eager to take another chance on Obama. Unless some foul play is afoot, Obama will have a much harder time to win in 12.
I can't fathom how liberals don't see the damage Obama is doing to this country. He is following Clower and Pivins plan to a tee. Isn't it evident that Obama is slowly bankrupting this country? He is against the rich and privately owned businesses. He is for unions and this strikes a marked parallel to what happened to the Soviet Union prior to their revolution. It is amazing that so many of our citizens are totally unaware of this steady drumbeat to the dark side.
You could not be more wrong dsdsherm the dem base is not demoralized, they are angry not demoralized, people are protesting in the streets from coast to coast, those are not likely republican voters. Republicans are demoralized you can tell by the fact that they have a different front runner every month, and the way they begged Christie and others to get in the race, and the fact that Ron Paul is an unacknowledged front runner in many respects. they are fractured and their whole success depends on the electorate putting all the blame singularly on Obama, and just voting for any old candidate they put up. But the biggest indicator of their demoralization is their chant of ABO, just like Brian they won't say who they really want to elect because the real answer is none of the above, just not Obama. You can sell that to partisan republicans, but it is a tough sell to independents, and there is no republican candidate that can steel Obama's support with democrats away from him. The worse the debt gets and the worse unemployment gets the more the electorate will demand raising taxes on the wealthy and republicans can't even go there. Republicans look unreasonable to far too many voters, and if that was not true then why can't ABO beat Obama in the polls today, why are his numbers getting better, why aren't they getting worse. He had a nice swing the last couple of months, what changed, did some republicans flip, did some independents go to his side, why has he not been totally abandoned. Republican candidates are bashing him daily, they have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him and not one beats him in a head to head match-up, that right there is something that demoralizes republicans and inspires democrats. Obama may lose, it will be a tough election but there is nothing to indicate a landslide for republicans, nothing at all, if it was shaping up to be a landslide he would be dropping not gaining. The country hates this congress but the dems in congress are polling far better than repubs, and people will take that anger out on the republican presidential candidate because they are all selling the exact same thing. They are cheering what the American people are rejecting, hell they are in the streets rejecting it, they are fed up with it. Every republican government worker that was cut, or laid off by a republican governor is not likely to vote republican, 15 million unemployed people are not likely to vote republican, so I would not be counting on any republican landslide in the presidential race, especially when the best you can do is hold your nose because your candidates stink and say ABO. ABO is not a real candidate, generic is not a real candidate, ABO, that says a lot about who is demoralized and who isn't about thier horse in this race.
Forrest - the election is still a year away. There are a lot of factors at play. You are speaking from a solely liberal viewpoint. The conservatives have a totally different take on what is going on. Considering this is a liberal based board, many here find your thoughts to hold water. I, on the other hand do not. I come here to listen to the liberal viewpoint, but I listen to conservative viewpoints that are contrary to yours. That's the advantage of being non-partisan and independent. Although I am conservative, I do take in what the liberals say... but unfortunately there aren't any convincing arguments that will sway my opinion. The validity of your statements lie in the way you see things. Depending on where you get your information, such as main stream media, or the major newspapers, is how your opinion is shaped. Believe it or not, the conservatives are being very quiet about things right now. Don't expect the Republicans to roll over and play dead. Not going to happen anytime soon.
I was mainly looking at the average of polls, and few others separately, on the separate polls I could ony find one that had anybody beating him that was a Washington Post poll that had Romney ahead by 2 points. Your whole premise Brian is that the electorate blames Obama exclusively for all our woes, as you do, but the general public clearly does not. Your comment on unions is frankly silly Brian, unless you propose we were Marxists and Communists from the 1940's till now because we had a lot more unionized industries 30 + years ago, you know when Americans had higher incomes and the country was far more prosperous and debt free. The soviet union was communist and had no unions, the revolution was a move toward capitalism, and now people can form unions so I think you got that completely bass ackwards. Workers in RTW states average about ten dollars an hour less income than non RTW work states so I would think that individual capitalism is better served by unions. That is if capitalism means you are allowed to maximize and keep more of the profits from your labor as opposed to have them taken from you.
The way I see things? I did not do the polling. I did not conjure up the OWS protests, or recall republicans WI, things are not as they are because I see it that way, I am just trying to explain why I think I am seeing what I am seeing, and unless republicans are lying to pollsters and planing a super secret surprise for 2012, they are currently not beating Obama, and as I said he is gaining support not losing it, and that has not happened just because I wish to see it that way. Then how about you tell me why he is gaining, when you obviously think he should be trailing.
Forrest - who does the taking? I make a fair wage for my services. I am not union. A union wouldn't increase my salary in my chosen field.
On the contrary to what you said about unions making more in wages than RTW states... wouldn't that be a contributory factor as to the reason American products are more expensive to produce and harder to sell on the world market? American made cars are way more expensive than foreign cars. The only reason foreign cars are sold at the cost similar to ours here in the US is because of the shipping taxes this country imposes on the vehicles made out of the country?
I remember a time when Chrysler was one of the worst types of vehicles to own. They were produced by union shops. I owned a 72 Monaco. Exactly 2 weeks after the warranty expired, my transmission went out. It cost me 700 bucks to get a replacement. It would be hard to convince me that union builds better.
I know you live, eat and breathe union. Your livelihood is based on them. The Soviet Union was completely unionized after the communists took over. This country has unions already established and the transition would be half as hard.
I remember a time back in the late 60's when I learned that if communism took over in this country, it would be from within. The earmarks of this takeover are all around us now. This is not just imagined. Our way of life is almost over. The government is growing in leaps and bounds. There are thousands more employed by the government than ever before. Departments are swelling, the private sector is being squeezed out. We feel it in our business. The ACA is the tip of the iceberg and nobody knows what is written in that 2000 page law. Our children have been indoctronated and liberal universities are pumping out perfect little soldiers that are totally against anything conservative. Obama is a product of Clower and Pivens... look them up. Columbia University professors.
Forrest - Obama isn't gaining. He's not moving. A bump isn't a trend. You have to realize that GE owns more than just appliance manufacturing. They are the parent company of several major news outlets. Since Obama bailed them out, they haven't written a negative thing about Obama. The truth isn't being told. How come the reporting in this country isn't honest? Why aren't there investigations into Solyndra? Why haven't they investigated ANY controversial items about Obama? They are flooding the airwaves with positive news and nothing negative. It's no wonder liberals support him and completely hate Fox news. Fox isn't under anyone's thumb from Obama's administration. Try comparing Fox against the others. The news is different... and liberals say Fox lies. That's because the other news agencies are wholely owned subsidiaries of Obama Inc.
I do live and breath unions, and I always will, I believe in them, I also own my own small consulting business, that originally was formed because of my patents and subsequent products which evolved into the consulting, technical training, and technical textbook writing business, so I am a small businessman as well as a union man. How do you think I can blog all day sometimes, I still do both. I'm getting old so physical work is harder than the my other gig, plus I get paid three times as much when I dress nice and just tell people what to do than if I actually do it myself, strange isn't it. I come in with bibs on and do the work and some people say 50 bucks an hour is a lot, I walk in with a jacket and tie as a consultant on the same job and they pay me 150 bucks an hour, to do far less. It's easy for me to defend unions Brian in my chosen field the union shops pay far better wages and fringes than the non union and they have to be the low bidder so there is no extra cost to the consumer, same way with anything else they can't price them selves out of the market. American brand cars have been union built since at least the forty's lots of fine cars, management made crappy cars in the seventies, they determine part suppliers and planed obsolescence, they had no interest in quality, how do you like Chrysler's today, same union labor years before, same union labor now, they can only install the parts they are given. Was it the workmanship that made the transmission crappy. The fact of the matter is wages are far lower in RTW states, the products are not cheaper. BMW in TN pays half of what the UAW guys make and their cars are twice as expensive, they build them here because they use Americans as cheap labor, autoworkers in Germany make more than UAW workers here. So who is taking all that extra money, not our government, not our workers. The median income in TX is $11.29 in hour, I quit a job 30 years ago as a union grocery clerk making more than that, do they have 30 year old prices in TX to go along with the 30 year old wages. What is so Communist about being better paid than a non union worker, sounds very capitalist to me. I don't buy into your conspiracy theory that GE and others are controlling the polling information, I was looking at the poll averages of lots of different polls from lots of different organizations. There are more independent sources of information now than there has ever been with the Internet, not less, never been easier to get a variety of views or sources from around the globe. There are a lot of people that never went to a liberal college that voted for Obama. So I'll ask again why is Obama gaining when you think he should be trailing, why does he beat all the republican candidates in a head to head match-up, or is your answer going to be the polls are all bogus sources with the exception of maybe a poll done by Fox.
Brianb sorry I meant to add if you go to "real clear politics .com" ( I did not present it as a link) and you can look at more polling info than carter has pills, none of it is very good for the republican candidates, in a head to head match-up they are behind Obama in virtually every one, in virtually every state, even in Ohio, Florida, and to my amazement North Carolina, go look for yourself if you care to. He is not trouncing them but there is absolutely nothing there that supports the notion that he will lose in a landslide, as Bob and others propose. The strange thing is there are only polls with Obama against Perry, Cain, and Romney, could not find a single one with the other four candidates, against Obama.
Really Booby?
And in all your years you never heard of interest Booby?
Just the interest on all that republikan debt was enough to raise the deficit.
See Booby,.......a deficit is nothing more than a coward's way of raising taxes.
It is why the republikans are so good at sweeping it under the carpet. Their adherents, like you, are,....how shall I put this delicately,....less than intrusive, so the repubs can get away with shoveling deficit IOU's under the rug.
They been doin' it to you morons since the time of Reagan. See for yourself:
www.zfacts.com
You dweebs swallow every penny of it.
only a moron would try to debate an obvious moron
have a good evening
I liked it fine Spankaroni,....just fine.
I liked the Chrysler / GM loans a lot better though.
Hey Spanky. How much money do you figure the 3 million employees of the domestic auto industry will pay back in Federal taxes over a 30 or 40 year employment lifetime?
Time to get out your little abacus.
Sure,....... I'll wait.
30 or 40 years?
Oh, my that is mighty optimistic. Have you seen the latest inventory reports GOPE?
Seems like GM is doing pretty bad, plus the Cruze is getting killed in reliability reviews.
You know the Cruze - the car which was to be GM's savior?
Good news is the Volt is mighty reliable - cause they are all still sitting on the lot, see inventory reports.
Chrysler is doing slightly better, but it's a Italian Co. now.
But let's look at what you are saying directly, eh?
We gave Billions to keep those workers employed, money we don't have, so now pay interest.
We will not be paid back some $9 billion from the bailouts, so how long will it take the GM employees to pay that back?
And why do you keep saying 'domestic auto industry?' the bailouts did not got to Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Bmw, Mercedes, or any of the other cars built here.
So to answer your question I'd say we should probably wait and see if GM survives this decade. I do not think it will.
But I get it GOPE - the government is always the answer, right?
You like the $15T mark? Fantastic, right?
Spanky you have been spanking it a little to often. your senses have been dulled!!
Good one.
Hey Smitty, you might now know this, but Spanky is not my actual name.
But, say since you are here, care to offer an actual comment on the issue?
I don't suppose you drive a Volt?
An American Car?
Hey Not as Stupid - would our man Smitty's comment be a shining example of bringing value to the discussion?
Cause personal attacks on fake names is cool, right Stupid?
Is that all you can come up with is your fake name. I was just talking to you & now your fake name. My concern was not the discussion it was you and your right wing dribble. So with your fake name, than that makes you a fake. Its cool that you & all your right wing dribble is fake. So in your fake world, your the only one who makes fake sense. Your a legend in your fake mind. Till the next time . NUFF SAID!!!!!!!
Funny thing about bankrupcy - how bankrupcy is so devastating.
Weren't the Texas Rangers in bankrupcy a little over a year ago .... new owners, reorganization, etc .... and a few months later - their first trip ever to the World Series .... followed this year .... with another trip to the World Series?
Thank goodness GM as saved from a chance to have such devastating success, huh?
yea i know .... left a few t's out of the above like a moron
Look at Smitty go!
Problem is Smitty you didn't say anything at all.
Oddly, it appears you fail to realize that.
Oh well. But hey my name is "Spanky" right?
"Spanky" keep spanking them out, your dribbling on your self. I know I didn't say anything, but you read it and replied. Thats the best part. I know you just like to get the last word in. Messing with you is fun!
Beemers?
Where do they build Beemers in the US?
Oh by the way Spanks,....did you get a chance to read about Bush's "Fast and Furious"? Remember those ammo dumps in Iraq that Bush ordered left unguarded in Al Qua Qua?
They say it is unrealistic to believe that those munitions didn't make their way into IED's that killed Americans.
Like that Spanks?
Well, I guess we are done here GOPEx.
"Where do they build Beemers in the US?"
WOW, really?
See, It's hard to have a thoughtful discussion when one party is ignorant about the topic.
Perhaps, and this is just a helpful suggestion from a friendly poster, you ought to do a little research before posting. That you have all of these opinions on the 'domestic auto industry' without an understanding of what that is, or what entities participate in it, is a little surprising.
But is sure does explain your comments.
Hey, have a nice weekend GOP.
About 90% of BMW's are built in Germany and the UK (where all mini's and the RR are made), --South Carolina has one plant, and Mexico, Australia and Russia follow behind...small numbers in Egypt and Thailand. Point is GOP is right in inferring BMW is still not much of a factor in the Us domestic auto industry in terms of jobs...it's VW that's starting to come on strong...but still no where near the number of jobs, both direct and indirect jobs as the AMERICAN auto industry is still responsible for. You don't win any argument by insisting we can cut out domestic manufacturing...OR foreign manufaccturing. This is the way the world is now: interdependent.
How many AP?
And how many are employed in the manufacture, supply and sale of BMW parts?
AP, you are absolutely right - it's a world view.
Obama propt up GM and Chrysler, on what appears to me to be a temporary basis. He did not "save the domestic auto industry.'
Interesting side point AP - you think the NLRB has a bug up its ass for BMW or all the other manufacturers in South Carolina?
Why just Boeing?
Oh and the new BMW 760 IL is nice, right? I've never owned a BMW. I like them, but they re-design them too often. Mercedes at least lets their lines run 10 years. I hate buying a new car only to have a newer model come out.
No comment on the ammo dumps at Al Qua Qua eh, Spanky?
That's OK.
I can smell your fear.
Al Qua Qua is Bush's "Fast and Furious". Except Bush's Al Qua Qua is probably F&F to the eighth power. Terrorist are probably still making IED's with Bush's stolen explosives.
Doin' a heck of a job Bushie,.....still. And yeah,.....the war is still BUSH's fault.
Cause last time I bothered to check the soldiers that died over there aren't getting any less dead as time goes on,......unless you're a republikan.
Twenty-seven percent sales increase over last year.
Yup. We agree. I'd call that slightly better, and the last time I bothered to check the company is HQ'd in Auburn Hills, Mi,....not Milan.
Also I believe the Jeep brand was named #1 in reliability by Consumers Report.
WOW. Seems like somethin's goin' on there............stay tuned.
Jeep #1?
Oh MY GOPEX - you got to get educated.
That's just sad.
PSSST: #13 is just 12 away from #1.
Man, this really does explain a lot. Thanks for the insight.
We are done here.
Happy Saturday.
B'sides Spanker-Wanker,....I don't usually make it a habit of comparing an $18,000 chevy with an $85,000 BMW.
Apples to oranges,.....right Spanks?
[We are done here.]
And as usual, when confronted with actual information instead of an "opinion", Junior runs and hides...classic Spanky, classic...
Yeah. Whatever I said to piss off Spanky, I am going to have to remember it,....could come in handy.
Also I'm going to have to sit at Spanky's feet and have him school me up on the modern-day auto industry.
Seems a shame to waste that font of knowledge with a law degree. If Spanker's got a real one that is. Bet he got his JD at Phoenix University. Who wants to bet on where?
"Spanky's Army"
General Spanky, pleased to report the Virginia brigade will be doing their part next Tuesday. Flipping the state Senate to the GOP, giving us unprecedented GOP control of the State House, both legislative branches and all constitutional offices.
Virginia is already lost to Obama in 2012, count on it.
Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia, the real deal, with stratospheric approval ratings. And the Washington Post can do nothing about it.
hmmm...Let's take a closer look at McDonnell. He is that very rare bird a Republican conservative who doesn't froth at the mouth. He completely stays away from the culture wars, talks about thinks like roads and schools and doesn't insist on playing to the right wing lunatic fringe (unlike certain...eh hum....followers). Let's see what happens to your theory of a cakewalk for Republicans when the Presidential nominee is a Mormon millionaire hedge fund manager with a reputation for flip flops especially in key conservative litmus tests: maintaining the war on immigrants and the war on women. There's a reason the right wing is working as hard as they are as early as they are to disenfranchise as many voters as they can who they suspect might be voting Democratic. Even they know there's no cakewalk for the party of "let em eat cake".
McDonnell may be a good guy. I'll take your word on it. However, the Attorney general, Cuccinelli, is a right-wing fanatic.
General? Naaa.
Virginia is looking good, and McDonnell is a great GOv.
But no where near as great as my great Gov. Moonbeam.
Poor MoonBeam - seems the progressive paradise that is Cali is even too jacked up for him.
Today I am a pure administrative assistant. Just got through this months pre-bills. The office is cold and quiet, but the most important thing I have to do every month is done.
Looks like October was a decent month.
Ms. Spanky got her a new slinky dress from Victoria's Secret, so I'm thinking it's going to be a good night.
later all.
[Ms. Spanky got her a new slinky dress from Victoria's Secret, so I'm thinking it's going to be a good night.]
I'm sure your hand looks great in that Barbi dress, Spanky. You think it's "a good night" by switching hands and pretending you have a new date.
You mean Spanky reproduces sexually? That's a shocker!!
I thought he'd certainly do it by fission.
If you're a Republican, you must be embarrassed by these candidates. With the exception of Romney, not one of them is fit to be president. Of course, Romney has problems with his ever changing positions. I live in Massachusetts and this a much different Romney than the one who campaigned as a social moderate here. For example, he stated he would never do anything to prohibit a woman's right to choose. Know he supports overturning Roe. The man has no shame. If he is the GOP nominee, I'll look forward to the DNC campaign ads, depicting his many flip flops.
Not at all.
All politicians suck, some slightly less than others.
Only one thing is key - got to get rid of Obama.
Dude's at $4.4 Trillion already. What will it be by his end?
The Republican / Tea Party should never, with a straight face, advocate "bipartisanship" as the word should literally stick in their throat. The truth is that we do really need bipartisanship and that it is the way our government is suppose to work, productively. Since 2009 the Republicans have stubbornly, arrogantly and totally irresponsibly blocked and faulted every effort while putting their political ambitions above all else, at whatever the costs to the majority (99%) and the country. They have even aggressively intimidated and coerced their own, squelching individual consciences, to assure unity behind the interests of "the few" (1%), their strong supporters and who "pull their strings". If the voters fail to see and understand these facts, then we are very apt to be returned to "more of the same", Bush-Cheney style, that got us where we are and that would be a continuing catastrophe for the majority, moving us even closer to being a two-class society with "the few" competing in having it all and the majority struggling to survive.
Too many posts on here about the 2010 tax cuts being extended. We all know the United States was being held hostage if they were not left alone, i.e. unemployment benefits for the unemployed. Perhaps the Congress should consider the JOBS they so talked about in 2010 to get elected.
Proverty is a weapon of mass destruction.
on the bush tax cuts....
this one, is for you..
"So How Did The Bush Tax Cuts Work Out For The Economy?"
http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/CHAS-89LPZ9
HO SNAP, I tole ya'll yesterday that it was gonna be Newt, and golly, he made it into the top of this story. Watch his poll numbers rise between now and Turkey Day!
Is it my system or is this blog running like a rusty hamster wheel today?
WELL I am an independent , I look at facts , records , I think for myself , AND DON'T GET PAID TO POST PROPAGANDA CRAP, it really don't matter to me who the Republicans nominate ,they get my vote ,as any one of them will do a better job ,H--- Elmer FUD could do a better Job so could MM , YUP THEY WOULD GET MY VOTE TOO ,
As for both my Democratic Senators who I did vote for , MY next vote for them is YOU'RE FIRED , I would switch to republican but then I would be committed ,don't want that , I want to be able to look at all the facts
FACTS don't lie , and the facts right now are the Democrats who are screaming ITS the Republicans fault the economies in the tank , that there are no Jobs , ARE BLOWING SMOKE AND MIRRORS there is the keystone project which has been waiting on Obama desk for over a year 20,000 jobs , THERE are 16 Private sector Jobs bills waiting on the democrats ,over ONE MILLION JOBS ,
THESE ARE DOCUMENTED FACTS , when the smoke blows away FACTS are facts and facts don't lie
HERE is another FACT the Republicans approved and passed a portion of Obama s Jobs Plan , THE DEMOCRATS said no go , IDIOTS
If the Dems pass anything at all , along with the Repubs, they cant use the slogan " The Party of NO" against the Republicans.
That's why there are 11+ bills sitting on Harry Reid's desk that he WON'T bring up for a vote. Reid is afraid his own Dems will vote for them. ( Let's impeach Reid ).
Can anyone say HYPOCRITE DEMS??
There are 15 Housed passed bills shelved in the Senate.
10 are about deregulation and/or additional tax cuts for big corporations/wealthy. The other 5 have
nothing to do with job creation.
Yes, some Dems would vote for them and some Republicans will vote against a couple of them but in the end Reid is not bringing them to a procedural vote because he knows 41 Dems will filibuster them and not allow them to get to the floor.
Considering what group is now pulling the strings of the GOP, it is amazing that they would even have a dinner honoring Ronald Reagan, as his views and actions as President are now unacceptable to the Tea Party, and would be blasted by Boehner and crew as not worthy of discussion.
Didn't Mr. Reagan try tax cuts for the Rich, and ended up having to raise taxes because it did not work, but only created deficits? Bush I tried that also. Bush II did the same thing, but didn't bother to try to correct his mistake, and threw some deregulation, statutory and defacto to bring us to this point in our economic history.
Reagan would not stand a chance in running for President with the current crop controlling the GOP.
Sexual harassment is no joke. But many on this comment blog are trashing the women in this case as if they were all gold diggers. HOW THE HECK DO YOU KNOW? Do you have any evidence, any evidence at all that all three of these women fabricated a claim against the same man? What a coincidence!
It is sick that society still blames the woman unless there is contradictory evidence elsewhere. Sick! Listen to this: Over 1,100 women were murdered last year by their "intimate partner." Over 230,000 were raped or assaulted by their "intimate partner" last year. Tens of thousands of sexual harassment suits were filed last year. ALL FAKE? ALL GOLD DIGGERS? Were the dead women faking it?
How about Mr. Cain show he is presidential material by revealing every bit of evidence involved in these cases? Let the chips fall where they may. If you look at the facts, instead of the political spin Cain has been putting on this issue for the last week, you might feel differently.
It is crazy unfair to trash these women on his word alone. (And he's laughing all the way to the bank with the millions of dollars in "man unfairly accused" cash he's raking in.)
He knew he had 3 sexual harassment issues in his background, even if they were fabricated. How about getting the facts out so that we all know what they were? You're running for President of the United States for God's sake, not the CEO of some restaurant empire!
How about having some courage, Mr. Cain?
If black people could be honkies Cain would be the number one honkie.
Iowa needs to change its state motto to "Iowa the #1 state in bigotry, racism, and bible thumping".
dembarb,
Tell that nice bit of "race baiting" to Senator Tom Harkin (D) and all the Iowa Democrats who like him and their Party.
They resent what you are all about. ( i.e. HATE)
What else do they have besides bigotry, racism and bible thumping oh year a lot of farms. I guess down on the farm that is all you get. They don't get out much so an open mind is out of the question. Also no self serving black person claim people like Cain. People like him who is black ONLY on the outside (NOT BLACK INSIDE, WITH PRIDE AND DIGNITY) would love to be that honkie.
I like Ron Paul, he's very smart; however, no matter how good that flat tax is sounding it just wouldn't work. Gov't is in deep doo doo and would not be able to afford to stop the vacuum for fear of collapse. Products would quickly go into black market. People would find a way to avoid the 23% tax increase on products. Gov't would fear too much to lose.
We should allow Herman Koch-Cain to use some of his campaign donation money for improving his pizza recipe, they suck!
THE GOP FIELD IS IN SHAMBLES.
Cain underlines the GOP field's complete lack of credibility. It's just wealth defending wealth with no conscience or mind toward governing the American nation.
It's more than sad. These are the end years of the American dream.
If we don't stand up and push back at the MEGA-corporations and the top 1%,...the middle class will become a thing of the past.
VOTE Barack Obama in 2012.
VOTE Barack Obama in 2012.
VOTE Barack Obama in 2012.
Anyone who can't see that Obama's inability to make more change is due to complete, unified and concerted GOP obstructionisn and propaganda is BLIND or asleep.
The GOP is the simply the party of "No" !! Their sole purpose is protect corporate profits for the 1%,...by keeping the 99% powerless and at arms length.
VOTE Barack Obama in 2012.
VOTE Barack Obama in 2012.
VOTE Barack Obama in 2012.
Come together in 2012.
serfdom: "Anyone who can't see that Obama's inability to make more change is due to complete, unified and concerted GOP obstructionisn and propaganda is BLIND or asleep."
GOP obstruction, you say????
Then why are those 11+ bills sitting on Harry Reid's desk that the Republicans put together?
ANSWER: because Harry Reid does NOT want them voted on for fear his own Dems will vote for them, ( I say, Impeach Harry Reid, the bumbling politician who cares NOTHING about the American People)
I'm not sure if the repubs don't get this but I will give them a tip, take it or leave it. If the republicans were not so conservative some of the dems who are disappointed in Obama would vote for them along with the independents. But when the repubs running are so far right the dems won't vote for them and neither will some of the independents. Does this make sense to anyone else out there?
You're exactly right! No, they don't think too far ahead so this advice won't help them. Psychology is not their strength, most are turning a little nutty or unrealistic themselves.