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Subscribe to RSSMark Murray and Domenico Montanaro give their analysis on why President Obama's poll numbers are rising, and whether or not taking his message to the American people is helping his cause.
Thanks Feisty Readhead for the question! Be sure to look out for new Inside the Boiler Room segments next week. And as always, post your questions for Mark and Domenico on the blog. You can also tweet us, @NBCFirstRead, @mmurraypolitics or@DomenicoNBC, or post on our Facebook page.
Transcribed by NBC's Annie Emberland and Laura Olson.
TRANSCRIPT:
DOMENICO MONTANARO: Hi there again, I’m Domenico Montanaro. Welcome to another edition of Inside the Boiler Room again with my colleague Mark Murray, and Mark, it looks like we wore the uniform, ready to play?
MARK MURRAY: Road uniforms in college football?
DOMENICO MONTARO: Well, football…basketball it’s, you know, these are the home uniforms. We’re here at NBC, so I’ll say we’re at home. Alright, Feisty, you know, she always gets the first answer, here’s her first question. She says--What is your analysis for President Obama’s recent rise in polling? Does taking his message to the people have anything to do with it? Do you think after assessing the current Republican field, moderates and independents are saying thanks, but no thanks? It’s early, we haven’t gotten through a Republican primary yet. But, Mark, what are your thoughts?
MARK MURRAY: Well, there are a couple of polls that are out there that have shown a bump for President Obama, but it’s important to note that these are just two polls. It does not make a trend. What we have seen in the Quinnipiac poll that Obama’s approval went from about 41, 42 percent to 47 percent, and then Gallup has actually shown a little bit of improvement for President Obama. I do think a couple of things are going on, and, it’s important to note, our own NBC/Wall Street Journal poll is going to be coming out on Monday, and so, if that also shows a rise, then we do seem to have enough elements for a trend.
DOMENICO MONTANARO: That’s when we know it’s real…because it’s the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.
MARK MURRAY: Right, it’s our poll. But, a couple things, Obama’s had a pretty good last couple of weeks. I mean, you have the end of the Iraq war announcement, you had the killing of Khaddafy, you also had some pretty good economic news, and it’s potentially the jobs number report that might come out, might be pretty good on Friday as well. So, you’re seeing a little bit of this. I would say, that if anything is going to benefit Obama in the three or four months, it going to be so much of a focus on the Republicans. And, in their current fight, he gets to go in the shadows, gets to rehabilitate his image while all the focus is on the latest on Herman Cain, the latest on Rick Perry, etcetera.
DOMENICO MONTANARO: Now, I was just going to say, the focus hasn’t been on him, so there is that advantage because the Republicans are duking it out, you’re seeing some of the dirt flying, so of course that’s going to benefit him in that—Khaddafy’s death, you know, Obama taking stuff on the road, kind of having something to run on and having something to run against with Congress, I think has probably been effective. All of the things that are in the jobs plan are poll tested, you know. He’s like—I know the American people like this—well, yeah, he sees the polls that they’re fairly popular items. So, and there isn’t anything that has to pass or not pass or whatever, so you have those two things—running with something and against someone—then you have the makings of a messaging campaign. He’s firing up the base. Whereas if, think a couple months ago, there was a little bit more wrangling among the base. You know, there was maybe tiny drop-offs, but not very much. But independents, I think, some of the stuff they’ve tailored to see if independents like this stuff, and you probably see slight ticks up with independents. You know, maybe with what’s happening in the Republican field, but the choice is not between Barack Obama and the field yet. The choice is between those Republican candidates, and I think people really aren’t that tuned in. You know, I’m glad Feisty, you know, you’re tuned in and all of our commenters are, thankfully, keep us employed, but I think most Americans, if you’re looking at a general election, they don’t tune it until much later.
MARK MURRAY: Couple things to look at. One, in about the next six months or so, the President Obama’s approval is closer to fifty percent than it is now, that’s a very good sign for him. Also keep an eye, Feisty, on what the situation on the right track, wrong track. A lot of those numbers right now in around the 20 percent or so, closer to 40 percent, you know, in the high thirties. That’s where President Obama would be to end up getting reelected. Thank you.
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Mark & Domenico - you made the redhead *blush*
Thanks for answering my question - I will definitely keep an eye on the right/wrong track!
Have a great weekend guys!
GO BEARS! ;o)
Fiesty --- You are the engine that drives this train on FR. Get off the tracks Republicans, you're in the way of a stronger recovery! I apologize, let me take that back. Lay down on the tracks Republicans!
Oh my, Really?
Let's see - last months Quinnipiac poll had samplings: 31% dem; 28 Rep; 33 Ind.
You all recall those results, right?
This weeks poll has: 35dem; 22 Rep; 36 Ind.
And why surprise, surprise Obama's numbers went up.
How sad that his numbers rose so little the large disparity in polling demographics.
You all have had at least an introductory class in statistics, right?
So gang, why o why would Q rig the numbers like that?
We're sorry Spanky, Go ahead. Sniffle, Sniffle.
Obama/Biden 2012
Spanky needs a hanky....and Herman's squirmin'.....
You mean smile and laugh, right Tom?
Tom, I don't suppose you can explain the over-sampling of dems?
Hey, I know maybe Dominico or Murray can tackle this little issue?
Fellas?
Perhaps a guess as to the results if they weight the poll the other way? You know 35% reps to 22% dems?
Kinda makes you wonder - why would they include somany more dems?
Think they are afraid of something?
Congratulations Feisty, great questions!
Why holly hell Dominico and Murray - I just read the transcript, and low and behold no mention of the poll sampling.
You all pontificate on possible causes for the so called bump, but flat out leave out the obvious one.
That is some crack investigation.
So was this on purpose or just sloppy? Surely you two considered that possibility - that the sampling effected the outcome?
Woodward and Bernstein better look out!
spanky
Take a break from your TP hand notes.
Congrats, Feisty, great questions.
I think the right track/wrong track question depends on how it is asked; those doing the polls need to be specific and ask more than one question. With so much GOP over-reach in states like WI, OH, so many teacher, fire and police officer cuts while cutting taxes on the 1%, the right track/wrong track is likely as much a reflection on local and state happenings as it is on federal. It probably also reflects on what people see as a dysfunctional Congress with a 9% approval level. That question may not be as related to President Obama as it is to other factors.
Keyword, Spanky is "last"--you're quoting last month's polls which have as much relevance as last years.
Feisty -
As the most ardent non-Eagles fan in the Philadelphia area, I'll second your suggestion.
GO, BEARS!!!
Hence I guess, the 25+ "anonymous persons on something vague about what may have happened 15 years ago" Cain stories this week, stories before that on Rick's rock .......
As the liberals gloat over a bump, their eyes fall off the ball. Obama has real problems ahead but it's so nice that you guys on the left ignore them. We on the right won't let you forget. You know, stuff like Solyndra, green energy campaign contributions, just the little ole nasty stuff that can totally throw the Obama train off the track. The campaign hasn't begun yet... so it's best to not count your chickens before they come home to roost.
Fiesty, now you are red on the head a with a red face to match, you are looking like the ultimate Cardinals fan.
PEN - what you talkin' 'bout Willis?
Those there are the demographics, fresh of the poll itself.
Even better - of the 36% Indpendents, 35% lean r, whereas 48 lean d.
So for the math challenged - you got a sample of folk that is hugely weighted in Obama's favor.
And yet he is still underwater.
Not good gang.
Sure Jody.
Say, how many statistics classes have you had?
What do you think the results would be is they polled far more republicans than dems Jody?
Come on, you know.
So tell me Jody, why the big shift away from the r's in the latest poll?
What makes you think Quinnipiac rigged the numbers? Are you suggesting that they purposely searched the voter rolls to purposely skew the numbers in the Democrats' favor? Are the respondents asked to identify themselves as Democrat, Republican or Independent?
If you remember your Statistics 101 class, you'll recall the problems of opinion polling. How many of the respondents are giving you their answer and how many are giving you the answer they think you want to hear? Are the Independents truly "Independent" or are they just hiding that they registered with as R or D?
You'll also recall that in opinion polling the sample size represents those who cared enough to answer. Did more Republicans hang up on the survey than Democrats?
Obviously, a truer sample would be 33% across the board. But, please, don't call "shenanigans". I think we're both smarter than that.
Thanks for the congrats everyone!
Jody - on the right/wrong track thingy, I have to admit, I would more then likely answer 'wrong' track due to the shenanigan's going on in Congress & states like FL, WI, AZ, OH and so on...
Will someone please call housekeeping to clean the crap off my porch Spanky has left?
His belligerence is EXTRA stinky today!
Go Tom..Obama/Biden 2012..Obamas popularity will continue to rise, while the pack of tea bag "replacements" will continue to eat their own and squabble..and the "Do Nothing" welfare congress will continue to have tax payer paid huge salaries and huge health benefits thanks 2 you and me and the Koch brothers...wish I had a job where I did NOTHING and got paid at least $175,000..These Tea republicans think theyre so smart..hahaha..Obama will win and they will throw a hissy fit..
Still without a clue, eh "counselor"? Nothing new there, right bubble boy...you can't seem to find your way back to Fox Nation and The Blaze.
Strive for adequacy...that's Spankys motto!
Jody doesn't answer hard questions. And all questions for her are hard, so she doesn't answer any questions.
FR Headline we'll never see: Oversampling of Democrats results in improved poll numbers for the same.
Feisty, Congratulations on your question being selected. Have a great weekend
So Noid - they have no control over their samples?
So we could see 85% dems pools in the future?
Yes Noid they are specifically asked to identify themselves, and the independents are even asked how they 'lean'.
Why do you suppose that is Noid?
It is shenanigans, and even more so from our boys Dominico and Murray for failing to note this littel issue.
Wouldn't you say Noid? You expect the reporter, particuilary one who is addressing the possible reasons behind the bump to note the disparity?
I kinda do. Well, maybe not here at MSNBC.
Keep on Leaning Forward gang.
We need a survey that asks what the GOP/TP has done for Americans. Don't worry about the president right now -- What have Teapublicans done for John Q. Citizen? What have they done since they took control of congress in 2010? What have they done since the economic meltdown in 2008? What have they EVER done to make your life better?
The GOP/TP has been in deep sh!t for some time, and by the looks of things, they are digging deeper into that hole of sh!t. Most of their presidential candidates this round are nothing but "capitalist pigs" trying to make a name for themselves to sell garbage (books, TV shows or films, increase speaking fees, precious metal, who knows what). The only "hopefuls" serious about running for POTUS are too extreme (Ron Paul) too simple-minded (Bachmann) or too inconsistent (Romney).
The pact the Teapublicans have made to stand united against any efforts to improve economic conditions and to sabotage the president has become so blatantly obvious it's hard to believe they even bother to show up on the two weeks they "work." The debt debacle, as well as over-reach in Wisconsin, Ohio, now again in Arizona, are unpopular with the majority of Americans, as well as corruption and inequality as demonstrated by the OWS movement.
In the meantime the president provided the Jobs Act as well as a deficit reduction plan, which was blocked by Teapublicans. And now various pieces of the Jobs Act are being voted down, and not just by a margin of Teapublcians, but with zero votes--ZERO. So the president has turned to doing signings because at least it's something he can do.
And though congress has reallylow approval numbers, especially Teapublicans, polls still show a very close presidential race ahead in 2012. (FR Guys--you should follow-up with polling on congress--here Teapublicans are not looking too good.)
Don't underestimate the right-wing propaganda machine, the FOX Noise viewers and Hate Radio listeners, or the low-information voters out there who don't bother with news at all. Especially the Haters, some of whom we see posting here in FR -- The video of Elizabeth Warren at a Town Hall, and the Teabagger who disrupted the meeting was so vile they had to bleep most of what he said.
There's enough of this ugliness and ignorance to keep the race close in 2012, even with Romney as the candidate. One thing about the far-right is they get out the vote. So fellow moderates and progressives, don't be complacent, starting with the upcoming "issue 2" vote in Ohio. Then get out and reelect the president and give him a congress that will actually WORK, and will work together.
You know JAS1 you are right.
But that's why Jody, Feisty and Amy are the perfect foils - they put forth poorly thought out statements, which are typically nothing more than a simple conclusions, then shut down when questioned on the basis of those statements.
There just no there, there.
Come on we all know not a libbie here would ever question a crap poll like this Quinnipiac. It supports their guy so it all good.
Note that not one can explain why the large discrepancy in demographic between this and the last poll. Nope - it supports their guy.
Never mind it is weighted so hard to produce a fake result.
Best part is when the next batch come out that are not so stupidly weighted they will be all surprised.
Wait, no I believe it'll be 'Obama's poll number unexpectedly go down.'
I do give them credit for consistency.
Put a stop to the reckless spending of Obama/Pelosi/Reid.
Saved their kids and grand-kids from paying for even more debt.
Yeah, 9% unemployment, 8% rise year-over-year in food stamps, $4 trillion more debt in 2.5 years, 2% GDP, $15 trillion dollars of debt; all propaganda, all lies. D*mn Fox for being Haters and telling these lies (I think CNN might have mentioned them in passing too)!!
Get a grip TP.
Spanky - a little freaked out by all this aren't you? Too bad - the worst is yet to come. No matter which dolt the GOP runs, their stupidity is going to show through. But then, that is why you like them, right???
And they'll still win.
[Spanky - a little freaked out by all this aren't you?]
Poor Spanky...for someone who loves to make crap up as he goes along, the "counselor" has a hard time accepting facts at face value...or is he just "Smiffed" that he never gets his question picked by Mark and Domenico? It probably triggers nightmares of how he was never picked for the neighborhood dodge ball game...
Oh, and speaking of "lawyers"...
Cain says he wants to sue sombody...anybody...regarding his little "issue", and he's gonna need a lawyer...I'm sure the First Read "counselor" would take the case...right, Jr?
Goin - Freaked out?
Nope, just the opposite.
Obama is toast.
UNLESS - maybe only 22% of the reps will vote in 2012?
What do you think Goin, seem plausible?
First, at some point, if you are controlling the sample it is no longer a "random sample"...and, no, if for whatever reason Quinnipiac got 85% saying they were Democrats, I believe they'd have enough integrity to toss the results of that sample into the hopper.
Secondly, if anything, Quinnipiac deserves credit for acknowledging the results on the political affiliation identifier...they're telling you they got a higher percentage of Democrats in the sample. I'm looking at a FOX News poll and I don't see any indication of the percentage of Democrats vs Republicans vs Independents from that poll.
Lastly, I don't believe it's Mark and Domenico's place to be calling out Quinnipiac for their results simply because of the percentages of political party affiliation reported. I believe the methodology is sound. If anything, I believe they covered fairly well why the Quinnipiac poll should not be taken at 100% face value given that we're a year out and there is still the in-fighting amongst the Republican candidates to be settled.
The economic statistics only remind us all each day how much Teapublicans suck-- Starting unnecessary wars, then cutting taxes during time of war, then fear-mongering Dems into helping pass TARP with no strings attached. Teapublicans have blackmailed the nation into keeping tax breaks for the rich, blocking regulation causing Dodd-Frank to be as shallow as it is wide, thereby forcing the country to continue operating under Bush-era policies.
Nothing has changed in regard to economic policy--it is still the same failed GOP "trickle-down" voodoo economics started under Reagan. But at least Reagan, Bush Sr. and others had the good sense to recognize the need for revenue. At least they weren't ignorant "starve the beast" anarchists willing to destroy the country to protect their campaign donors and their own jobs.
Aside from ending the wars (over ten years!), there are many fast and easy things that could be done, such as reinstating the "transaction tax" on Wall Street, ending loopholes since "cheating" should be frowned upon. In regard to Social Security, just increase the cap from $110, 000 to $500,000. What's so terrifying about these ideas?
We know there are fake Democrats like Nelson, and Lieberman who already had to fess up and go Independent, and a few other who need to grow a spine. But for the love of America why can't Teapublicans actually DO something to help our nation?
Side Note: Quinnipiac has a good predictive record, and not always results I like to see. So conservatives, stop cherry-picking when YOU don't like the results.
LOL!
Already been there & done that - see post #1 under First Thoughts this morning... ;o)
True Patriot, two terrific posts.
Can't remember which analyst said it but he indicated that soon the GOP will realize that soon they will realize when they head home to their constituents, town halls to run for re-election, their bumper sticker and slogan can't read "I did Nothing".
Poor Spanky doesn't like the results of the Q poll...hold on, Jr...hang in there...I'll call the Wah-Wah-Waambulance for you...
Spanky, once again, your insignificance is shining through.
Congrats Fiesty!
Mickey,
I was pretty sure it was strive for mediocrity,...especially with that grammar.
Thanks Jody. And they can't keep lying about creating jobs either.
When Luke Russert caught Boehner off guard with the question about Norquist, and the continued follow-up questions, you could see the wheels turning during a pretty long silence. I chuckled that the only come-back Boehner could think of was to claim they are focused on JOBS. Riiiight.
But ultimately, if the 2012 election is a referendum on the economy, we are still to this date operating under Bush-era policies. We still have the wars, we still have the tax cuts for the rich, and we still don't have meaningful regulations to prevent "too big to fail." I dare someone to outline an "Obama Economic Policy" for us, because if there is one it is only in proposal form. The GOP/TP have obstructed any change or progress from being enacted. So if people don't like the economy, throw the Teapublicans out--because it's their economy.
Hello Clara...
Strive for adequacy...strive for mediocrity...lol...they both work for Spanky. I like to use them interchangeably, depending on how ignorant or patently false the "counselors" comment is.
When will it become Obama's policies? How long do you have to be in office before you take responsibility for what you are doing? Why are we still pointing a finger to the past and saying I can't do anything because of BUSH?
OBAMA for the first two years had control and all he got passed in congress was bail out after bail out and a national health care that scares the hell out of most employers. All paid for by the American Taxpayer.
True PATRIOT how long do we wait for OBAMA to make his move?? Didn't the TP start after BUSH was gone??
Or are you so anti BUSH that you will swallow whatever the dems throw up in your direction!
And I bet you will respond with some 10 paragraph nonsense response without answering the simple questions. Just the meat and potatoes....(THE FACTS)
had control?
Al Franken wasn't seated until early July so that was one month,...then Kennedy died,...the total amount of 'control' was about six legislative weeks,...and that was pretty well focused on Patient Protection and Affordability Act,...
Since you want FACTS...
Commonman,
That "super-majority" you may be referring to is a myth, really. It only was for a period of about six months, in total. I say "in total" because it was intermittent, and not a block of time.
Seems like the authors lending the red-headed idiot some credence just made her crotch all wet. LOL
Congrats on having your question selected, Feisty.
Thought Mark and Domenico were about to take out the pom poms and start cheering for Obama's numbers to rise.
"All of the things that are in the jobs plan are poll tested, you know"
The "things that in the jobs plan" are yet more failed stimulus policies that demonstrably dont work...but they are poll tested!
The phony jobs bill is all about fooling people into reelecting him. But in the words of The Who, we "Wont Get Fooled Again!"
Bob that would a good Occupy USA song. How true! How true! Sometimes bob your al(to the)right.
Did the guys from MSNBC write the question for the red headed rooster so she could crow about having her question answered?
But was it truthfully responded to, or only a fictious rah-rah for Obama?
I think the debt ceiling debacle really started the Obama approval rating recovery. To see the President's opponents willing to gamble our AAA credit rating in order to protect tax cuts for the rich was an eye opener for most people. As I recall, "stupid, ridiculous and disgusting" were the top three words used to describe what happened, and they didn't mean the President's willingness to compromise.
Interesting that Dominico and Murray fail to mention the USA today Poll highlighted on Chuck's show this morning.
You know the one where Obama is hosed in swing states, where they overwhelmingly feel they were better off 4 years ago.
That, plus the right track/wrong track numbers = ABO.
But keep defelecting Amy, President "Downgrade" needs you unconditional support.
Now let's all sit back and let Solyndra, Fast and Furious, and Corzine work their poll number magic.
Oh and Murray and Dominico - Clizza is a terrible host. He trys so hard to sound smart, yet fumbles over questions, that is when he isn't asking 5 questions at once.
Why not one of you as a fill in?
Amy,
You must mean the Dems in the Senate? Those opponents of BHO? Because the House passed Cut Cap and Balance, which the S&P said itself would have avoided the downgrade, only to voted down in Reid's Senate by a proceedural maneuver.
So those opponents you refer to as being willing to gamble away the AAA credit rating are the Democrat Senators? Just curious which opponents you refer to...... After all, the House passed a bill that would have avoided the downgrade...... So it must not have been them.
ABO 2012
Amy, good point, I agree. I think people saw a party willing to allow the country to default rather than bend an inch. While never great, the approval ratings for Congress have been steadily decreasing since Jan 2011 when the GOP took control of the House.
plummeting, Jody. Really, plummeting.
Based on the reference to the jobs report numbers in the future-tense, I'd suggest that this video was recorded yesterday before the USA Today poll numbers were released.
Amy,
Obama is spending 25% of GDP with revenue at 15% of GDP. (Revenue have never exceeded 20% of GDP no matter the president , the party, the circumstance, the tax rate, the health of the economy ....
Bush's revenue in 2007 was 18.5%.
Obama has borrowed more than all the president's spent in the 1st 200 years.
The prob ain't revenue .... it's Obama's clueless, insane spending binge.
dsdsherm
Do you have amnesia? Dude, the debt ceiling debacle wasn't that long ago! Republicans walked away from the President's offer of a Grand Bargain of spending cuts with some revenue increases. And the Republicans wouldn't agree to the huge cuts if it meant raising taxes on millionaires one tiny bit.
bob-1805084
A binge is losing billions to fraud in Iraq.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_31/b3995075.htm
Keeping teachers, cops and firefighters employed during a recession is not a binge.
Amy,
I dont declare you have amnesia, but I am correct, you are wrong. Yes, they walked away from Obama's grand boondoggle, as it was mostly smoke and mirrors and would not have avoided the downgrade. They did, however, PASS the only legislation that would have avoided the downgrade. It was called Cut Cap and Balance. It would have met the requirements of the S&P (the S&P even said so) and avoided a downgrade. But the Dem Senate wanted no part of it. You dont have amnesia, as the media sort of didnt mention it much.
But facts are the House passed legislation to prevent the credit downgrade. The Senate killed it. So your anger over the credit downgrade is misplaced. It is owned 100% by the Dems. They caused the downgrade as the solution to avoid it was in front of them, they just voted it down.
So no, I dont have amnesia. I know it wasnt long ago. And I know the offer from BHO would not have avoided the downgrade, as his "Grand Plan" involved fictional savings by ending the wars in Iraq and Afganistan which were already being counted on. His plan would not have avoided the downgrade.
I will just attribute it to you being misinformed. (as usual)
ABO 2012
"keeping teachers, cops and firefighters employed" is a function of state and local government.
But this cliche has apprently replaced the oldie but goodie, "for the children" as the official Democratic excuse /mantra for pork barrel spending and political payoffs to their crooked union paymasters..
Amy, can you provide any evidence that teachers need to be kept employed. The teachers trade association estimates a 5% hiring of teachers across the country next year and 13% over the next couple of years without the jobs bill. As for cops and firemen, can you provide any evidence of widespread loss of jobs? Can you give some assurance that his really isnt just a federal government payment into their union benefit plans so political cronyism at its worst?
Bush's average annual costs for the wars was $95 billion - Obama's is $165 billion.
Like teachers who call in sick to demonstrate with the occupy crowds to confront the cops who get bricks/rocks thrown at them and union city workers who go to protest by shutting down a port that supplies union workers jobs?
Aren't teachers, cops and fire guys losing their jobs because government is stretched thin?
So why do libs protest ..... which further stresses governments due to overtime etc. .... which only increases the number of layoffs?
You guys are so clueless.
Bob and Kirk
Federal stimulus funds went to states, to pay the salaries of cops, teachers and firefighters. Without those funds, those people would have lost their jobs. Do you not read your local papers? States were facing layoffs because of the financial crisis and resulting lost revenues.
Amy,
So think about it, how long can we keep dreaming up "Stimulus" and "Jobs Bills" to continue to pay these people? Obviously there is no funds to keep them employed long term. And if Colorado is any indication, the American people have no desire to raise their own taxes to keep them employed.
At this point we need to face th facts the funds are not there to keep them employed long term, and that the funds will not be available to keep them employed. So either cut expenses somewhere else to pay them, or let them go.
ABO 2012
Yes but it doesnt appear that those funds are needed anymore for teachers. But where is the evidence. John A and B constantly talk about providing sources for these so called needs. The Wall Street Journal provided data showing that the federal government has actually grown in employment by 200,000 employees and 13% since Obama took office and State and local employees are off less than 1% since the stimulus money stopped. There is also ton of evidence that the last bailouts were just budget gimmickery that allowed the federal money to go into union unfunded benefit plans. I have no interest in the feds using my taxpayer dollars to bailout the california government unions if they cant generate enough revenue in their own state to cover the promises made by their government officials. Thats not the rest of this country's problems.
dsdsherm. Cut, Cap and Balance was a bag of Constitutional Amendment garbage passed off as fiscal responsibility. It would have taken years for it to be voted on by the states. Not only that, the idea of tying Congress and any President's hands in times of crisis is stupidity. The Federal Government is not the State Government and it is not like a family budget. Why did republicans vote against "Pay as you Go" legislation? It had the same idea of a balanced budget approach without all the jumping through amending the Constitution hoops.
Jody,
The issue is who caused the downgrade. The S&P said if Cut Cap and Balance were passed, it would have avoided the downgrade. They did not seem to be concerned of the time needed to implement it. It is WAY more fiscally responsible as it forces the government to work within a budget (Which BHO and Reid obviously refuse to do, heck they cant evcen pass one). Tying the hands of BHO is EXACTLY what the S&P demanded to avoid the downgrade. The issue was the out of control spending. And passing legislation fcused to adress the issue would have been enough for them to wait for it to be implemented. It would not have taken that long to implement, and the majority of Americans are in favor of a Balanced Budget Amendment.
My response to Amy is correct and I stand by it. The GOP House passed the only legislation the S&P admitted would have avoided the downgrade. They did their job. The fact the credit got downgraded is on the Senate and the Dems. And it will be again. Soon. Because nothing has been done to curb spending. And your opinion on the bill has no bearing on whether or not it would have avoided the downgrade. It would have. Period. And it was the only solution propsed that would have accomplished the goal. And it was proposed by the GOP.
So obviously the downgrade is not our fault and I will not sit by idle while some misinformed person implies that the downgrade is the fault of the GOP.
And obviously the legislation had some fiscal responsibility or the S&P would not have indicated this legislation would have satified them.
You cannot skew the facts. The GOP presented a responsible solution to the issue to avoid it. Just because the Dems didnt like it has no bearing on whether or not it would have accomplished the goal. It would have done everything they asked for. The GOP did their job. The Dems let Ameirca down.
ABO 2012
Kirk -- Of the 5% hires in the teaching profession how many are taking the spot of a retiring teacher? Also the 13% could be from projections of enrollment in the future due to more kids entering school for the first time and the growth could contribute to the need to hire more teachers. Look to Texas as they recently experienced this.
As for government growing by 200,000 employees most were in departments concerning security. I believe the article pointed this out.
Hey Mark and D., why not consider an online debate btwn Spanky and Feisty? Now that would be an interesting thought. No teleprompters, and no behind the scene answer prompting from the liberal left-wing gang prior to answering.
Nice to see you again
safecrackerwinemaker...Tick tock little buddy...
can carrot top debate an issue without rancor, name calling, or a few boilermakers under her belt? Good luck with that one winemaker! lmao!
Dcia. That very well could be the case. Although enrollment is trending down not up except in urban high immigration areas. But that doesn't change my question, where is the support for needing this stimulus and what will prevent it from being just another crony payoff to the unions while not creating jobs?
Feisty, Way to go friend! First question.
Keep your responses coming too...
Who is this Fiesty they keep referring to?
hey Mark & Domenico,
hey !!!!! I was given the most votes for MY questions!! lol
Why didn't you pick one of my questions?? ( I am tearing up,lol)
Ummmm, I hope it's not because I don't exactly shine a glorious light upon the savior Obama!?
Now, that wouldn't be good "journalism" on your part ! ( ? )
CRICKETS.
Geez, Leona, they don't select questions based on votes--never did, never will. It's not a popularity contest. Many of us have had the most votes for our questions but that doesn't mean the question makes a good topic for the BR.
Jody,
LOL.
I guess you didn't catch my sarcasm (it must be the kool aid) .
The last thing I would ever expect is for one of my questions to be "used" here on the MSNBC....the website for the NATIONAL OBAMA RE ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
Hey, LEONA, you'll noticed back on an earlier thread we pointed out the article on Corzine and the FBI investigation that you so conveniently forgot, right?
You're welcome!
And in keeping with your low expectations, Helmsley, I hope you realize the last thing we would ever glean from one of your posts would be something factual or useful to the dialogue, right?
Just so we're all clear on where we stand.
Is THAT what you're calling it today? lol
I prefer the 'oblivious' Leona - it fits you much better!
I didn't forget. I answered you.
The Corzine articles are not what I commented about.
I wanted to point out the Corzine/Obama connection, which Msnbc will not.
( Feisty: "I prefer the 'clueless' Leona - it fits you much better!")
Hey Mr.President !!!!!!
Feisty is name calling again!!
Mr President, please tell Feisty to stop because you asked for the "civility" to be brought back after G.Giffords was shot. She must have forgotten.......
LOL
No they will - it'll just be in 5 weeks after Corzine gets indicted.
It'll be great.
Not name calling sweetie pie - only pointing out the obvious for you Captain Oblivious! ;o)
Clara,
Now that you mention"low expectations", you really need to put down the kool aid.
People like you don't realize how bad that stuff is for your health ! lol
I wear the name calling ( from you and your cohorts here) as a badge of honor.
I wouldn't be called names by you lemmings if I weren't striking a chord of truth.
It's the truth that hurts . (but it will set YOU free, you should try it sometime).
Mr President !!!!!!!!!!
Feisty called me "Captain Oblivious! "
lol
Tell her to stop ,Mr.President, you told us you don't like name calling....She's NOT listening to you, Mr.President.
lol
Well, here's First Read's headline on the subject...
Corzine, top Obama fundraiser, under FBI investigation
What other connection did you have in mind?
DaNoid,
With all due respect, you must have OCD or something.
Msnbc should write an article about how Obama needs to return campaign money he got from Corzine ( since Corzine stole the money from his own clients) .
For some reason Leona reminds me of a strung out Chihuahua who can't put down the crack pipe...
Appears she isn't house-broken either, the way she leaves her little 'stains' all over the place! ;o)
No, Leona, didn't catch your "sarcasm" because you post stuff like this every day and mean it. Your other comment about your question never being chosen because blah blah blah, tells me you were serious the first time. If not the distance between your serious and your sarcasm is about 1/25th of an inch.
Leona, go back to this week's FR archives and low and behold there's a big, bold Corzine article on FR and it references his campaign bundling for President Obama. Care to repeat your comment that MSNBC and FR didn't mention it.
I see Da Noid already did the work for you and gave you the title.
...or maybe we could wait until the FBI finishes its investigation and then determine what President Obama needs to do if anything.
DaNoid,
Your point is well taken. That's exactly what I wish the MSM would do when it comes to Herman Cain....WAIT.
That's all I'm saying. It works both ways.
Feisty,
You are the poster child for the nasty left wing media name calling towards anyone who disagrees with you.
Mr.President !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
I can't remember if this comes from JoAnne or Amy; but props, ladies:
zyzzyva
You go Feisty!!
90% of the country is still working and always have. 90% of us pay our mortgage on time and always will. I think a majority of those 90% have heard enough of Obama's anti business rhetoric, policies and programs to know they wouldnt vote for him in 2012. It would be a worst case scenario to see such a poor leader as Obama be handed another majority in the house and senate. I firmly beleive America is smarter than that....
I agree, Americans are smart but not the way you think; they will vote out the Do Nothings in Congress in order to move the country forward and not backward. If President Obama was so anti-business, why did he save the US auto industry? I mean, he could have done what Mitt Romney said--let them go bankrupt and throw a few million more workers out of jobs. I firmly believe America is smart enough to know there's not a viable GOP presidential candidate in the bunch of wannabees on stage right now.
Oh come on Jody Obama didnt save the US auto industry. We should have let the bankruptcy laws kick out the UAW and let a private group operate GM w/o that dead weight. Romney is probably the best of the bunch but your right Democrat or Republican we are in sad shape for the next President in 2012. We just can't have Obama and another Majority in the house and senate. I know a liberal doesnt like it but this country is far better off when the government does nothing or as little as possible. Granted if all you want is a government hand out Obama is your guy. It's just not fair to encourage them to stay in government poverty....
What you don't realize is the 90% I speak about know it doesnt matter to them who is in white house, running wall street or drilling for oil. They will be succsful inspite of the people trying to crawl into the welfare wagon......
UAW Pleeeeeeeeease: " It would be a worst case scenario to see such a poor leader as Obama be handed another majority in the house and senate."
If that happens , we might as well change our name from The U.S. of America to "The Socialist States of America"
Americans are smarter than you think alright and that's why Obama will win a second term. Your whining aside, you're not going to have much luck 'spinning' your way out of the Republican fight to let the auto industry go under, their fight to cut taxes yet again for the wealthiest Americans, to demonize teachers, firefighters and cops by trying to make anyone fighting for a living wage the enemy--even by your ridiculous pretense that only Republicans work for a living. George the first was right the first time he called 'trickle-down' voodoo economics...how easy it is for the puppet masters to pull your strings this many years later. Your 'let em eat cake party' isn't winning any hearts and minds.
Not you to AP? Seriously what if heaven forbid Reagan or any of the Bush's magiclly got transfered thru time to be president again in 2012? The 90% of us who always take care of our selves, stay employed, pay our mortgages on time would still be doing it. And get off the teacher and fire fighter band wagon. How did AFSCME jobs become more important than Joe private sector Tax payers job?
Ah, UAW, there you go again. The "hate the union" rant. One thing I'll say about the GOP, they have successfully pitted one group of Americans against another--I believe the GOP calls it "class warfare". I'll remind you again, the union workers took huge pay and benefit cuts to help save their jobs. Got a problem with that? How many CEOs at Goldman Sachs or Citigroup and other Wall Street firms cut their multi-million dollar salaries instead of asking for a taxpayer bailout? Not a one, they gave themselves bonuses on top of it. Meanwhile, the autoworker getting maybe $40 an hr including benefits takes a cut.
Your argument UAW implies that workers united together are to be demonized while workers who reap the rewards of union efforts should be praised. It's a hollow argument just like Mitt Romney who has no core.
Jody, The Wallstreet banks, BOA, Wells, JP, Goldman, Citi all paid the "bail out" aka TARP back with interest. I forget how much are the tax payers out on Obama's/UAW bail out? Given the alternative, I'd rather see our tax payer money get paid back.
As far as the Unions, At $40/hr it is $83,200 a year to build a car?? Now how many more auto building jobs would come back to the US if it was olny $41,600 a year? You can't continue to let unions artificailly inflate wages and expect a country to be succesful.
UAW,
The Dems don't tell the Unions "NO" . If they did Obama would lose more than half his constituency.
In a way, we need to take this country back from the UNIONS. You should see what they get away with here in NY.
Chuck Schumer tells all the teachers to vote Democrat. Then he gets re elected by them and then he gives out all the goodies to the UNIONS. It's a vicious cycle of paybacks.
Can anyone say CORRUPTION??
UAW, you ignored the question--how many of those Wall Street CEO's took pay cuts or benefit cuts? You defend those CEO's multi-million salaries and they're the ones who tanked the economy while demonizing working class people. Shame on you. It doesn't matter whether they paid TARP back. The auto industry is also paying back their loans.
Jody, I own shares of Goldman, Wells Fargo, BOA, JP Morgan. I don't see a problem with thier salaries. If you want a say in what these guys get paid buy a few shares and show up at the annual meeting....
Way to go feisty..great question!! Hv a great day, Kathy!
Way to go feisty..great question!! Hv a great day, Kathy!
As we all know, November polling data is key the year before the election. McCain was at 3 percent the November before primary season, in 2007.
BUT in response to UAWetcetcetc, yeah we pay mortgages, we work, and we manage to even pay our taxes and do the right things in regards to charities and to people in need. And oddly enough, the President does none of these things for us.
I am kinda confused about your problem with our elected President.
The good news is that you will have 4 more years to figure out the problem, as the Republican party refuses to field a candidate who can win a third grade spelling bee, much less as be a fit and proper representative of the United States to the rest of the world and to us at home. If you guys were serious about making Obama a single-term president, why the slate of idiots on your roster? Michelle Bachmann? Really?
Hey man, if all you got is hate, then that's all ya got. But if yer gonna hide behind a pseudonym, no one is really going to take you seriously. Grow a pair, and sign what ya write.
Well said, Kevin Belake Johnson!
Kevin,
Just because people like you call Michelle Bachmann and other Republicans "idiots" and "stupid", doesn't make them so.
The American people are smarter than YOU are , apparently. The American people voted in 2010 and brought 60+ Repubs to D.C.
The name calling says more about YOU than it does about Michelle Bachmann and others.
GO GOP ........we'll have another landslide in 2012 !!!!!!!
Having been approached several times, both in person, and on the phone, to participate in focus groups and polls.....I have come to realize just how unscientific, inaccurate, and generally skewed they are. In most cases, the interviewer will talk with you until you submit an answer that does not support their premise and suddenly the interview is over. Questions are structured in such a way that there isn't a third choice, even when you would never consider choices one and two on the menu. Polls focus on single sound bytes for the most part, and don't allow anyone an opportunity to explain why they would choose as they did. You can basically structure statistics to prove or disprove any theory you would like. And a statistical probability is just that-a probability. 41 out of 10 will do or say "thus" However, at not point in time do you know if you are actually talking to one of the 41 or one of the other 59 in the sampling. Or a given outcome will happen 40 times out of 100....well, that leaves 60 times that it won't happen....Really scary to think that people are basing such an important decision on poll numbers instead of evaluating what each candidate actually says and does.
Congrats, Feisty, on having your question chosen. It will be interesting to see what the NBC poll says next week. I think part of the President's improving poll numbers is because he is speaking out more and getting his message across with more visibility. The Republicans voting down every single proposal he makes, even ones that they have supported in the past, is helping, too.
Spanky,
Mark and I note that people shouldn't put too much stock in one poll or another. The ones we talked about are just two polls. And two polls don't make a trend. Samples can certainly skew numbers if you have too many Democrats or Republicans sampled. But Quinnipiac is a reputable organization and the poll can't be discredited because of changes in sample percentages. But you make a good point and those numbers are ones to keep an eye on.
Again, polls are snapshots in time, and what's important is the trend. Unfortunately, in a 24/7 Twitter culture, up and downs of politics are more like an EKG rather than whether the patient will live. That's perhaps a clumsy analogy for stressing that it's important to look at trends. I agree that it's too early to say there's a trend that Obama is in a strong position. Going from really bad to not as bad isn't news for the White House to celebrate.
Let's see what other polls show as well. The Quinnipiac poll, perhaps in part because of its sample, could be an outlier, but the more reputable data points the better.
Domenico, your comment is why I keep harping, over and over again about "the polls". Somebody's always quoting "the polls" but usually never state which polls. I have repeatedly suggested that to get a good look at what the average is of several polls (Fox News polls even) combined on Obama and Congress approval ratings, Obama vs each of the Republican opponents, etc., one only has to go to realclearpolitics.com to see the results. This site updates the results frequently so one can get a pretty clear picture overall.
All well and good Dominico, but for you to answer the question of "Obama's rising poll numbers" and not address the ridiculous sampling is just poor journalism.
In fact Dominico it is failures like that, which are so basic and obvious, that lead to the clear inference of bias.
I know that's not what you want to hear, but it's a fact. And for you now to assert that the poll, with the acknowledged flaw in demographic - "could be an outlier" is just more support for that inference.
Clearly it is no oulier - it is a biased poll. That Dominico is an objective fact. Just look at their own sample results, as I cited above.
As you know data and particularly polls are easily manipulated. This is a great example.
But hey - how about you call them up and ask why this sample is so skewed?
I for one would love to hear their response.
The problem is not so much the answer to the questions (although I do not believe that there is not a regular reader on here that doesn't know where D & M stand in terms of their political outlook, clearly in the Obama camp) but the questions picked to answer. If you go back and look, they have all been fairly lame and most of them are designed to try and prop up Obama's image. 8th graders could pose more serious and probing questions.So it should come as no surprise that the ensuing answers are equally devoid of any serious analysis and content. And given the fact that there are no time or space constraints being imposed on the questions or the answers, there really is no excuse for the of picking of fluff questions to be responded to by shallow fluff answers.
It really is a shame that MSNBC has stooped to this level. For a major media outlet providing analysis of elections to the highest office in the land to print articles that are akin to something you would expect from TMZ is a total waste. With all due respect guys, can"t you take it up a notch or two and drop the obvious bias? After all, you are supposed to be journalist.
I'd suggest it's only a biased poll if Quinnipiac went out of their way to purposely sample more Democrats than Republicans. Are you suggesting that's what they did?
"KingK"
Here's the neato-cool part...this is America and you don't have to read this. You have choices. If you don't like First Read you don't have to read it.
KingK, we do our best to pick from a range of questions (from the left, right and middle). In fact, it wasn't too long ago when we chose one of your questions. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/18/8370118-inside-the-boiler-room-will-investigations-impact-obamas-chances-at-re-election
Also, this is just our first IBR video of the week. In the next day or two, expect us to publish a video on Bob's question on VA Gov. Bob McDonnell. That's coming up...
Have a nice weekend, everyone.
OUCH!
That was painful! lmao
At least King's education level has been settled!
Perhaps you would be more comfortable back on the TMZ website - it's much more your cup of tea! ;o)
Why so rude, Spanky? You're making a lot of leaps there.
Wanting objectivity in journalism will do that to people.
the dinh: "Wanting objectivity in journalism will do that to people."
Mark & Domenico ( not to mention the rest of the liberal state run media artists) stopped calling themselves true "journalists" the day they took a job at MSNBC ( where the "M" stands for misleading).
What's even more interesting is how the resident FR loud mouth didn't answer the question asked of him...
Says a lot about his temperament - or lack there of...
Sorry if I seem overly critical.. I guess I just expect a little more depth to the questions and answers and less cheer leading and fluff. Have a great weekend both of you.
Helmsley and the dinh:
[Wanting objectivity in journalism will do that to people.]
Really? Maybe you should do some research on the Fairness Doctrine, and just who was responsible for its demise. But, of course, you have your agenda, and you won't do anything of the sort.
And for you, Helmsley, you might want to grab your talking points from somewhere other than Fox "news"...you draw the obvious parallel.
[Why so rude, Spanky? You're making a lot of leaps there.]
Junior is now a "journalist". This is Spanky...it's what he does...if he doesn't agree with something, it is simply "wrong". If he doesn't agree with YOU, it is YOU that is "wrong". Spanky doesn't play well with others. The "counselor" is further proof that conservatism is a mental illness.
Feisty
The best any one can expect out of you is a question to be answered by the Muppets. I bet you and Miss Piggy would be best buds. But on second thought, I don't think you could keep up with Miss Piggy. After all, the hand up your back side is a lot bigger than the one controlling her.
King,
You admitted to having an 8th grade education, which is why I'm not suprised you're familiar with the muppets! ;o)
Now go back to cuddling your Kermie!
Not rude Dominico, just calling it like I see it.
Seems to me the issue here is one of either competence or bias - you, a political reporter, reporting on the change in a poll, yet failing to comment or apparently consider the polling sample.
If you failed to consider the sampling it would be a competence issue.
If it is not a competence issue Dominico, then the only other reasonable inference is that you were aware of the polling issue, but intentionally failed to provide it as an explanation, which of course shows bias.
But I would be happy to hear an alternative explanation.
Further, my response to you was in no way rude. It was critical, but as a professional I presume that you understand the difference between objective criticism and rudeness.
There's a new internet TEEVEE show...As the Spanky Turns. A saga of denial, deflection, and outright misrepresentations.
Seems you can't weasel your way out of this "counselor"...but don't go away mad...just go away...
I love being called "Helmsley".
Maybe just the name and the idea of money will rub off on me.
They say that's how the Universe works.
I'll let you people know if I win the lotto or something, and don't expect a kickback.......LOL.
Thanks and Keep it coming!
Feisty
You are a total moron. The childish little games you play on here not only demonstrate how lame your mind works, but also reflect how feeble your political viewpoint is. In case you didn't get it, the reference to questions that were below the level of an 8th grader referred to your questions.
Domenico, Calling Spanky rude? Now that is rich, evidently you have blinders on to the regular FR posters responses (Feisty, Bev to name a few) or perhaps it is just because Spanky has an opposing view point. I have to send this to my brother the newspaper editor for a good laugh, he thinks journalism is still unbiased.....
What, the attempt of censorship by the liberal left? If you don't agree with the authors, you get dumped, is that it?
I think Obama's poll numbers have gone up slightly because he always knows when to change his slogans.....
Remember......
"WTF" ? (lol, that didn't work out too well)
"Pass this Bill" ( OR DON'T, so I can call the Repubs "obstructionists")
"We Can't WAIT !" ( so I won't need Congress' approval )
Other than the skewed poll sampling, they might of gone up because Obama finally stopped blabbering for a week.
"If you love me, ask Congress to pass my jobs bill!" - Obama 2011/09/14
Apparently they don't love you Barry.
Well your Republican slogans aren't working all that well for ya:
--"Corporations are people TOO my friend!" (Perry)
--"the Koch brothers"..my BROTHERS from another mother!
--"Keep mental retardation at bay: don't get vaccinated!" (thank you ms. Bachman)
--"Muslims aren't dedicated to this country"
--"These guys make ME look moderate!" (Ron Paul)
JoAnna: "Obama finally stopped blabbering for a week."
haha, Obama "stopped blabbering" , after 806 + speeches.
I think he should press the play back button on the already recorded speeches and just mouth the words from now on....or else he'll get laryngitis!
Why would he need Congress' approval, if no one approves of Congress? (wink wink, nudge nudge)
Kevin,
Put down the kool aid and read the Constitution. ( wink,wink)
WHEW just read it, and WOW was I WRONG!
Article 3, section 11. The Executive branch is the sole arbiter of who gets a job and who does not get a job. No matter what. Really. Even if his poll numbers a year before the election are trending upward, he is still responsible for making sure that every single JOB in America is created solely through the Executive Branch.
I get it, ya'll tryin to pin this whole jobs thingy on the government! Silly me, I thought this was the page for "smart" people. And I'll just bet that whole climate change thing is in there somewhere too.(wink,wink).
But where was the loud outpouring of "YEW TOOK MAH JERB!!!" out there when Shrub was President and the Economy hit the garbage? Yeah, doesn't look like the Executive Branch of the United States government has a lot to do with giving anyone a "jerb."
Lean in close, and I'll tell you a secret. People voted for Obama because McCain was a feeble old man with an idiot for a running mate. He could have said ANYTHING and still won the election, because McCain/Palin was an un-electable ticket. The Republicans learned very little in the following couple of years, and are posed to repeat 2k8. At some point, ya'll need to find a mouthpiece that can carry a national audience to something besides a tractor pull. The candidates you have now couldn't sell heroin to a junkie.
Kevin,
we will find out in Nov.2012, now won't we?
I can't wait !
ABO
Good Job Kevin!
Can't wait to read your next post. Please hurry and post. I need another laugh!
Thumbs up Feisty, you deserve the accolade, have a great week end.
FR. The home of fluff articles and fluff analysis all designed to keep the Obama bum kissers happy while he leads us into record breaking deficits, record breaking debts and the slowest recovery the nation has ever witnessed from a recession. And a jobless recovery to boot.
Well that is because he is not a king like you, he has to depend on Congress to legislate.
King: just wake up did ya? Where were you under the great GW's record breaking deficits and recession??
AP,
In 2013 , when we have a NEW President, will you still be blaming Bush??
Or will we be hearing every step of the way from the year 2013 through 2017...... "It's Obama's Fault !" It's Obama fault ! "
AP screaming about it when he did not veto the deficit spending bills passed by the Dem Congress.
I wan't to hear from Chuck Todd, hopefully he is no longer concerned about his pollsters.
Teatards just hate facts but the fact is -- the ONLY tepublican with even the slightest chance of beating President Obama is Romney.
Just so long as this free cheese distributing, deficit tripling, inexperienced, failed community organizing, kenyan freak goes away - who cares??
It is good to see our President up in the polls for now. President Obama has always been a political fighter, and he had better go after "Mickey Mouse Mitch McConnell" politically hard. This "Treasonous" political puker has made it clear. The destruction of an American President must be achieved at all costs. Even at the cost of leaving 14 Million Americans with no hope for jobs. The Middle Class, the Working Poor, the disabled, and the elderly are going to pay even an higher cost economically. President Obama is a very intellectual President, which has been obvious to observe already. The political puking, economic greed, and the Cognitive Disabilities of the GOP/RNC is just scary. President Obama needs to after the "Hoodlum's On The Hill" politically because, these "Gross Odd People" (GOP) are not going away anytime soon. The "Bonehead Boehner Bunch" have politically been acting "Treasonous" for the last Two years, and the killing of the American Jobs Plan is a clear indication of their intentions. The "Crazy Cantor Clan" is another politically "Treasonous" group in the House. Mr. President your political fight against the GOP/RNC has just begun, and the smell of rotten Tea Bags will get stronger. Go get them Mr. President!
hey Progressive,
Here's what the "destruction of an American President" REALLY looks like....
"Far more troubling than Dan Rather's CBS fraudulent memos (about Bush) are the maliciously contrived myths embedded in those fraudulent memos. The hoax exposé demostrates that the content of Dan Rather's memos was fraudulent. Left-Wing Media (LWM) treachery, deception and distortion laid a solid foundation for Dan Rather's CBS 60 Minutes fabricated story (about Bush) and fraudulent memos. Prior to Election 2004, communications generated by "credentialed media" misled the American people about GWB's ANG record. As you read the hoaxes perpetrated by LWM against the American people, appreciate that these hoaxes were contrived from interwoven myths forged via repetition (by LWM, Democrat National Committee [Terry McAuliffe], Kerry's Campaign, Left-Wing 527s and finally, Dan Rather's 60 Minutes). The purpose of these hoaxes was to defeat President Bush in Election 2004 and restore the Democrat Party to power."
Nice "journalism" (NOT) .
The Left is at it again.
Wisconsin's Paul Ryan's approval tanking in GOP "safe" district..
A statewide poll suggests the Janesville congressman and House budget chair has become a more polarizing figure in the state in the course of the federal budget debate. According to a survey by Public Policy Polling, since December 2010 Ryan’s favorability rating among Wisconsin Republicans rose, but his unfavorable rating among Democrats rose from 51% to 79% and his unfavorable rating among independents rose from 29% to 42%.
The failed community organizer and his groupies want everyone to vote - regardless of citizenship status. He is the crook of crooks and the prince of fools. You vote for this guy and you too are a LOSER!!
To bob and leana - if the neocons/teabaggers win the USA will be known as the "Divided States of Teabaggerstan". Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
De2Or2010,
You fail to understand, it seems , that the 2010 Tea Party backed candidates ( 60+) were VOTED INTO OFFICE in a landslide by the people.
They ( the tea party candidates ) have a right to their beliefs and to stand behind those beliefs ( even though YOU disagree with them).
Watch out for the next Tea Party landslide.
GOP 2012!!!!!!!!!
AND this landside comprised almost 22 percent of the electorate!!! IN a MIDTERM ELECTION!!
Heh, I'll repeat myself.
No one cares about mid-term elections. Except those who win mid-term elections. Can't wait for the next "Tea Party" "landslide."
Of course you can have your beliefs, Leona. Beliefs are free, and even your Tea Party trying to get "Snake Handlin' Sunday" approved as a National Holiday is well within their core family values.
But it makes ya'll seem a bit wacky to the rest of us. Obsessing over Obama being a first term President, birth certificates, making gay marriage illegal, flag burning amendments--didn't ya'll get elected to do something about WASHINGTON?
Epic failure. Any calm, rational debate went out the window a long time ago, and now the Tea Party is scrabbling to hold on with jagged fingernails to any credibility it has left. Hell, ya'll managed to lose half of the seats you gained in Wisconsin less than a year after ya got em. If they still used tar and feathers, ya'll be riding a rail out of Washington as we speak.
We all remember when Michelle Bachmann was called upon to read her section of the Constitution, and ended up reading from her medication bottles instead. You guys didn't even notice that her shoes didn't match, and she was wearing her pants on backwards. The Tea Party is one of desperation now, Leona--funds drying up, people starting to wonder what happened to the dream, lot of doubt out there that you guys can even sing in a bar, much less run a national campaign.
What is going to happen when ya'll realize that a midterm election doesn't matter in the age of a 24 hour news cycle?
AND this landside comprised almost 22 percent of the electorate!!! IN a MIDTERM ELECTION!!
Heh, I'll repeat myself.
No one cares about mid-term elections. Except those who win mid-term elections. Can't wait for the next "Tea Party" "landslide."
Of course you can have your beliefs, Leona. Beliefs are free, and even your Tea Party trying to get "Snake Handlin' Sunday" approved as a National Holiday is well within their core family values.
But it makes ya'll seem a bit wacky to the rest of us. Obsessing over Obama being a first term President, birth certificates, making gay marriage illegal, flag burning amendments--didn't ya'll get elected to do something about WASHINGTON?
Epic failure. Any calm, rational debate went out the window a long time ago, and now the Tea Party is scrabbling to hold on with jagged fingernails to any credibility it has left. Hell, ya'll managed to lose half of the seats you gained in Wisconsin less than a year after ya got em. If they still used tar and feathers, ya'll be riding a rail out of Washington as we speak.
We all remember when Michelle Bachmann was called upon to read her section of the Constitution, and ended up reading from her medication bottles instead. You guys didn't even notice that her shoes didn't match, and she was wearing her pants on backwards. The Tea Party is one of desperation now, Leona--funds drying up, people starting to wonder what happened to the dream, lot of doubt out there that you guys can even sing in a bar, much less run a national campaign.
What is going to happen when ya'll realize that a midterm election doesn't matter in the age of a 24 hour news cycle?
Kevin Belake,
Mid term election's don't matter??
HAHA, Ask Nancy Pelosi if they matter!
HAHA, what drivel you espouse. Put down the kool aid, it's bad for the brain cells.
9-9-9 = Herman Cain's discredited tax plan.
9-9-9 = President Obams's unemployment numbers from month to month to month to ...
I don't see any improvement in the President's numbers.
I really find the GOP lovers entertaining... President Obama is a master at letting you play your hand while he sits back as cool as a cucumber.. He is only waiting for a contrast and then he will show how he saved this country from ruin in 2008 with facts instead of fiction like FOX news and their followers like to produce. Once a Republican nominee is picked you will then see his numbers go through the roof... I cannot wait to have one of those clowns on stage trying to debate him... This is going to be heaven here on earth and it will be a joy because all of these Obama haters will not be able to sleep at night knowing they will have to deal with him for another 4 years and then they can really watch out... I just think back to 2007 when the same ole people were saying the same of thing... He was toast and then they woke up in November to a nightmare... Well all of the Obama Haters... there will be a continuation of Nightmare on Pennsylvania ave in 2012... Obama/Biden 2012 you can bet on it...
I would love to see New Gingrich debate President Obama. Obama is clueless only only tells you what you want to hear...the guys a fraud.
JFK2112 you have got to be kidding me... Right?... Newt... BRING IT ON; however, unfortunately he doesn't have a chance in h*ll... But I will be praying for that match up.. believe me.
Common Sense,
You say "Obama sits back and let's them play their hand" ??
Wow. That's a stretch since he's given 806 speeches and we can all recite his speeches by now.....
"millionaires and billionaires"
"corporate jets"
"on the backs of the poor"
"Spread the wealth around"
"pay their fair share"
Obama should tell this to all his " RICH " Wall Street friends and Jeff Immelt (GE), who didn't pay any taxes. Instead, he tells the American people this B.S. and WE'RE just regular people who are simply LOOKING FOR JOBS.
HYPOCRITE.
perfect very well said
Very interesting analogy regarding President Obama-as a cool and unemotional gambler....I think that it might be quite appropriate. Gamblers do not care about anything as long as they win. Gamblers are very good at camoflage and subterfuge. Gamblers, often, do not think of long range consequences, only the cards immediately before them. Gamblers often continue to play, well into a losing streak and lose even more....Yes, this might be a very appropriate comparison. I certainly wouldn't give a gambler the keys to the vault at my bank.....why would I give them the keys to the entire US economy?
sadly Leona does not get the steak knives,...she totally failed to mention Teleprompter/Socialist/Kenyan and Muslim.
But her dog whistle looks so good on her collar, doesn't it? The retractable cord is a nice touch.