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Subscribe to RSSA major conservative advocacy group, funded by Koch family oil interests, says it is reviewing its "financial dealings" with a Wisconsin charity headed by Herman Cain's campaign manager, raising fresh questions about the source of tens of thousands of dollars in funds that were used to pay expenses for Cain's presidential campaign.
The Center for Public Integrity reported late Thursday that Americans for Prosperity, one of the largest and most prominent of conservative political groups, has confirmed unspecified financial transactions with two closely linked Wisconsin non-profits -- Prosperity USA and Wisconsin Prosperity Network -- that were founded by Mark Block, Cain's campaign manager.
One of those groups, Prosperity USA, paid for $37,000 in expenses, including iPads, charter flights and items, for Cain's presidential campaign, according to financial documents disclosed this week by the Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel.
Non-profits are barred by law from paying for campaign expenses, and when the allegations first surfaced this week -- at the same time as the sexual harassment charges against the presidential candidate -- Cain said he would order an investigation of whether there were improper campaign violations.
Cain's campaign lawyer, Steve Bienek, declined to answer questions from NBC about the transactions between the Wisconsin charities headed by Block and the campaign, saying only that the campaign has retained an outside law firm to review them.
"We take these allegations very seriously," he said.
But the Center for Public Integrity report by Peter Stone raises additional questions as to whether Americans for Prosperity (AFP) funds were used by Block to pay Cain campaign expenses. AFP had "financial dealings with Prosperity USA and/or the Wisconsin Prosperity Network," Levi Russell, the spokesman for AFT is quoted as saying.
(Russell confirmed the transactions to NBC News, but declined to elaborate, and added that the group had no reason to believe there was any wrongdoing on its part.)
Some of those transactions are hinted at in the documents released by the Journal-Sentinel: They show a $5,000 expense in February 2011 for Cain to attend a meeting of a group called RightNation "at request of AFP" and that Block made a trip to Washington to meet with AFP's president Tim Phillips and David Koch."
Koch and his oil industry brother Charles Koch were the founders of Americans for Prosperity, but the group -- like most non-profits -- declines to identify its donors. The group is having a major conference in Washington starting Friday at which Cain and other presidential candidates are scheduled to speak.
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The Drip... Drip... Drip... that started earlier this week has become a full blown geyser! lol
Make sure you keep your hip waders close, they are going to come in handy when the flood arrives!
We will now see if Hermie can really 'part the red sea'!
Feisty -
Yet more confirmation that the Popover Candidate Cain is serving as a puppet for the right-wing corporatist front groups funded by the Koch brothers and other business interests.
And, besides Cain's completely empty views on policy, the economy, domestic issues and world affairs (hey, that's virtually everything, isn't it?), that's another reason I call him the Popover Candidate. He's simply a hollow shell filled with hot air, not even his own person. He's owned and operated by far-right business interests.
So, indeed, why would Cain even bother becoming informed and engaged in the substance that is the job of the U.S. President? He just goes out front, plays Punch 'n' Judy for the audience, while the right-wing "think tanks," lobbyists, and business associations send their hacks to handle the actual work. And they know what those jobs are, serving their masters.
P.S. This brings to mind what the Vanderbilt family at the turn of the prior century thought of a Senator they literally owned. Said one daughter of the clan to her father, asked why she wouldn't have the Senator to dinner, "You don't let your butler sit down with you at dinner. Why is he any different?" Betcha Cain doesn't get invited to the Sunday repast at the Koch homes, either.
What is happening with the Koch Brothers dealings within Iran and circumventing the embargo? The Koch Brothers funding a terrorist nation. Who is keeping this out of the news.
BINGO!!!!!
A direct tie between the Koch brothers and illegal campaign contributions.
What a surprise.
Moderate Dem: The Koch Brothers!
Poor Herman: He still hasn't realized that they are the ones who probably leaked the info in the first place!
This may be the NO SH!T Comment of the week, but we have to get big money out of Politics!
This is not a single Party issue, its everybody and any campaign hanger on with their hands in the Pot.
Government belongs to Voters not the Koch Brothers, Not Unions or any other entity. You guys can continue to bicker over who smells worse, but at the end of the day flies are everywhere and we voters must unite on one mandate, Campaign reform. Stop fighting and codling these guys, none of them deserve it. They do whats best for their cronies and nothing more.
Who empowered these PAC's? How's that Citizen United ruling working out? Here's a quote from an article from the NPR. Link to article below as well.
"House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio called the decision "a big win for the First Amendment" as long as donors disclose every dollar they spend on campaigns."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122805666
Feisty, I invested in chest waders....I may need a wetsuit and oxegen tanks before the primaries!
Talk about the wheels coming off.
...and so do we.
(Best Gomer Pyle imitation EVER!)
Suuuuuprize, suuuuuuprize, suuuuuprize!
(Gomer has left the building)
Imagine that, the Kochs and their minions violating federal campaign laws. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
What is really shocking is that the FBI isn't all over this like a cheap suit.
C'mon folks, this is an outrage. These bozoes want to buy this election in order to keep us all "in our places". They want us galley slaves down on the rowing deck to row faster so they can water ski.
A class war is a terrible thing (just ask Marie Antoinette) and I think it's about time we had one.
Obama/Biden 2012
Like I have been saying for years, all political parties in this country are corrupt. We need term limits of no more than six years in any fed office, including president. Six and done no more life time pols, at the expense of the tax payer. Outlaw all lobbyist. And get big money out of politics altogether.
Whats the difference between this and saying Pritzker backed group with ties to Obama finance chair? Billionaires back all the candidates. Should this be any more shocking than Soros backed group behind any democrat or billionaire Union plans pay off all democrats or Gates, Buffet billionaires behind Obama campaign. I dont understand why this is even a story.
Yep, the Democratic Koch lovers are out crowing again this morning. Some of you libbies must love to see any Koch stuff.....but why no discussions on the merits of the Soros movement in the media?
I think liberals need to form a campaign group for Herman. The republicans are going to ruin his chances so we should rise up and save him from this onslaught ;) Liberals for Herman Cain. I'll go get started on the bumper stickers. It may not be too late! If he gets knock out of the primaries, all the majestic glory of the Herman Cain campaign will be over :(
The Koch brothers own every politician that wants to bring the average worker to their knees. I'm not at all surprised that they're throwing money Cain's way. The GOP pretenders are a bunch of clowns.
Let's not forget about Obama getting campaign money pipelined to him from Mr. Jew self hating Nazi himself, George Soros. So if you retards want to have a pissing match, let's go for it. Morons.
Like Bill Mahr says....There is no way GOP will have a black man be their Presidental man...This stuff is being put out by the GOP themselves. Cain is an idiot...so are other GOP runners...They are clumsy, do not know their own laws and Constitution...our own history. It is blooming scary to even think of one of these guys as a President of our country. Koch brothers are nothing but billionaires interested in their own pockets...they have funded a bunch of ultra conservative racist organizations and have given money to all of the GOP runners and those who are in office. Why do you think these GOP politicians do not want to raise the very rich taxes or Corp. taxes...this is why...Koch brothers and other filthy rich have these GOP (and Tea Party) politicians by the "balls" so to speak. Remember this when you vote people.
I would just like to ask all of the teabaggers... "why isn't this is big deal?" Don't make excuses and say "someone else is doing it too." Sounds like something your kid would say. If it is wrong, it is wrong!!!!!!
Wow, I think I've seen a record in the making...Johnny L., you had no less than 5 bigotted topics in less than TWO sentences! I've honestly never seen that done before!
Cain is totaly bought and paid for by the ultra right shadow government that is controlling the US Congress, and he is busy prostituting himself for their interests. From my perspective Cain has few morals, personal or otherwise.
You libs make me wet my pants with laughter. America will punish you for being out of control morons. Go down with your Shepard sheeple!
In other news, Soros was quoted as saying he would no longer support the Democratic party and is pleading guilty to the charges in Europe.
Oh wait.... I must've been dreaming.
Koch = Soros
Pot = Kettle
Republican = Democrat
You're all Lemmings.
The Cain Train has turned into the Titanic.
The Koch Brothers are the Iceberg.
His poll numbers went up again. Two record days of donations recieved.
I have no doubt that the libs, and establishment Republicans, will continue to beat the hell out of Cain until he is "put in his place" like Palin. Careful what you wish for, you may get Newt!
Unity,
Isn't that exactly what the Obama supporters are claiming about Solyndra? They keep bringing up Bush and Cheney in the Halliburton mess. That's like saying I'm gonna rob a bank, but as long as I don't take as much as the guy before me, I'm not guilty. Right? All of this party BS is getting old. Can we just get rid of all of the current administration and start over? NONE of them derserve a vote. Maybe if every sitting incumbent gets voted out systematically in the next elections, the next wave will get a clue as to the consequences of not doing your job. Your ONLY job is to represent the people, not your own self interests or that of your party!!
Every black man that believes in the Democratic party should know this....They do not love the black man, they love the conforming black man. Try to detach yourself enough to take a glimpse at what they are doing to Cain.
kevinoffsite, there has been a way to do that since July 2010, and it's called the Popular Amendment Movement Election/Campaign Finance Reform constitutional amendment (along with a Term Limits amendment.) Go to www.faircampaignreform.us and get involved. Download the petition, sign it and get others to sign. Start a local grassroots organization to promote it in your community, county, and state. Don't just complain about the money in campaigns. Do something about it.
I always here complaints about Soros to offset the actions of the Kochs brothers, yet not one person accusing Soros provides any support of their claims whereas the Koch brothers involvement is very well documented. Oh yeah..its the liberal media cover up. Its must be nice to have unsubstantiated conspiracies to rely on when you have no facts to back you up.
cmstubbles
You won't get an argument from me. I hate all of this "your side did it first" crap. I don't want to say money is evil, because it is not, it is people that make it evil."
Cain and the rest of the pack are nothing but corporate whores. I keep wondering when the sheeple will wake up and smell the coffee, but they don't seem to be able to think past the corporate propaganda.
You might wish to check out Depends. It works for Cain.
It is REALLY getting obvious that Cain,love him,or hate him,scares the living hell out of the White House...I know this will be collasped by dems,or thier union owners,(and the repubs are owned by Norquist)..but this really does show the need to get big money OUT of politics,and I'm talking BOTH PARTIES...When BOTH parties can point to campaign financial irregularities on each other's side,there's a problem. It's time to limit contributions ,and spending for elected office.If running for the office of president was limited to,say 2 million dollars TOTAL,start to finish,it would level the playing field.It would also mean whoever got elected would be less likely to owe favors to a big contributor.......I won't even mention Corzine...................U.S.Army Disabled Veteran
To all my brothers and sisters out there....Dont go off the reservation, or this will happen to you too!
Kornfed,
You might want to check out your facts a little sooner, the Cain people already know that it was the Perry people that leaked this information to the media. One of the people Cain told all this information went to work for Perry a few weeks ago and then all of a sudden this information hits Politico. We all know where it comes from read the sign on his hunting ranch.
We all know the Koch brothers are corrupt, and should have been tried for treason years ago. They are both just another couple of elitist who think the laws of this nation does not apply to them. Would you actually have your boss tell you how you are going to vote in any election?
Cain was practically raised withing Americans for Prosperity. He has been molded and bred to be a presidential candidate for business for years. He is a puppet and this illegal campaign money is just one of the tangible connections between Cain and the Kochs.
An empty suit. This guy can't even name half the countries surrounding the middle east or Afghanistan, but what's worse is that he thinks its a joke! - "Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan."
If I interviewed a candidate for a position in my business and he made light of necessary critical information that he would have to know by saying nobody can be expected to know that and then cracking jokes, I would flush his application down the drain. Herman Cain defends his ignorance saying that he will surround himself with experts or learn on the job. I'm sorry America, POTUS is too important of a job to just hire some wingnut who thinks "I'll learn it as I go" and "smart people are nerds" is going to cut it. Certainly it is too important for a corporate shill who makes light of people with knowledge and takes delight in his own ignorance.
It just goes to show You, when your Presidency and starry eyed, socialistic, policies have proven themselves to be complete, total, and utter failures, and You have absolutely nothing left to run on, except smooth talk and a nice boyish smile, a billion dollars of campaign contributions, given back to You, from your buds that you pillaged trillions from the treasury for, will buy a lot of propaganda,opposition research, disinformation, and subject changing, dutifully dispensed by Your loyal lap dogs in the MSM, to try and preemptively destroy any opponent You feel may be a threat before they can get any traction, and it will delay the inevitable, but You just cannot get the facts out of the voter's minds concerning, the economy, scandals in the White House, at The Justice Department,Homeland Security, Fannie and Freddie, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, and a reported 9 percent unemployment rate that is such a complete joke that not even a third grader would take it seriously, along with the Democrats in Congress continued asinine, insistence on spending more of what We do not have, in order to try to get out of debt,(do not try that at home with Your credit cards Boys and Girls!),but go ahead Captain, keep right on busily rearranging them deck chairs on Your Titanic to show the people You are working to solve the problem and then blaming the condition of the ship on the crew , while the water keeps rising around Your feet for everyone to see.
Well I told you so the L.A. Times had this story Monday after the Milwaukee Journal ran it. The next thing to come will be the campaign manager being banned for at least three years from doing any campaigning. This really shows how far up Cain's arse they are( Koch Bros.). Teabaggers wake up. You know the Koch bros. want us to stay addicted to that 19th century passed it's time filthy fuel it's time to utilize our infinite power sources solar, wind, geothermal.
Kat 23,
The GOP may not know all the laws of the Constitution, but I'll bet if you asked them how many states make up the USA, they wouldn't say 57!!!
I'm beginning to think there are no literate candidates in either party. So what's the difference? We have one clown steering the ship to no where. Maybe it's time to try another captian.
What the TeaReps don't get is that what the Koch's and their minions did was ILLEGAL
Non Profits are not allowed to fund political campaigns, Move On is not a charity, it is a political organization, these two groups were charities (Well CHarity Fronts) See to allow a charity to fund politics is to allow people to deduct a contribution for tax purposes as a charitable contribution when it is really a political contribution (Laundered).
If you despise the Koch Brothers then be careful not to fund them,boycott their products: Stain-master Carpet, Dixie ups/Paper Products, Brawny Paper Towels, Mardi Gras Paper Products, Vanity Fair Napkins, Angel Soft Toilet paper, Northern Bath Tissue, you can find more on various websites. They have the right to speak, (Though they hide their involvement)--you have every right not to help fund them. I used to use Northern, Dixie and Vanity Fair. Now I do not, and have not for 3 or 4 years.
Major funders of extremist right wingers will not get my money. And my company 2000+ Employees no longer uses Dixie in our kitchens or the Commercial Products of Georgia Pacific. The restaurant chains I do consulting for use Solo cups now.
Archie keep posting that idiocy
He was referring to the number of Primaries
But hey it sounds like a good line if you have no argument
BTW Democrats know CHina has Nukes..Cain didn't
Democrats did not say their was not a settlement on a sexual harassment complaint, then a day later say they did know. Cain did that.
You silly boy
And one more thing...Cain may have ghosts in his closet, but at least he has a confirmed past unlike someone else I know.
Frankly,
I'm not advocating that Cain is right and he wouldn't be my choice anyway. I'm just making a point. They are all the same. If you people think Obama is a rocket scientist and has an answer for everything then you are as lost as he is.
Frankly,
I suppose we should buy Chinese? If you dig deep enough you'll find that the Kochs and the Soros actually belong to the House Of Rothschild. They own everything and everyone. So, the pot or the fire. You choose. We are all puppets of this regime and nothing happens without their approval.
Johnny L. Pry Sr. - "Mr. Jew self hating Nazi himself"
Straight from Glenn Beck's mouth, and onto this page. Don't pass go, don't collect any critical thinking skills
I guess when you start a campaign for President of the United States you should NOT hire as your campaign chief a guy who was fined for illegal activities.
So, why is Cain's campaign slowly imploding ?
Complete vetting process on candidate to make sure no really bad skeletons..... nope
Do background check on campaign staff to make sure no really bad skeletons.... nope
Get really smart guy who is wll known in politics as someone to get things done.... nope
Get really smart businessman who is well respected internationally...... ?
Get token who will parrot extremist party position without question.... definitely
Well, one out of five ain't bad.
I guess this is this week's attempt #2 to derail the Cain campaign since attempt #1 (the sexual harassment deal) has been an EPIC FAILURE !!! Who the hell is trying to derail Cain, "Pinky and the Brain" ?? Sorry, but not buying today.
Politico should be pleased to know that I am now open to voting for Mr. Cain. One of my considerations of a candidate is not only who are their friends, but who are their enemies ?? Trying to torpedo a candidate because he is a Black man unwilling to be fed the diet of failure the Democrat party has fed minorities for far too long simply won't fly with me.
Mr. Cain may not have the knowledge or experience in how our government works (which normally requires being a Governor, U.S. Representative or U.S. Senator, but that has obviously failed with the last two Presidents) to be a viable Presidential candidate, but feeding potential primary voters a diet of bogus scandals is a strategy doomed to fail
"Koch-backed group confirms financial ties to Cain campaign manager".
SO FREAKIN' WHAT?!
Leftist groups and financiers like George Soros and ACORN are far deeper into meddling in political affairs than anyone. They fund groups to flood blogs (like Newsvine) with paid trolls to create the illusion that they have the majority opinions on issues, they send buses full of paid (aggressive and violent) protesters and SEIU union thugs to events pretending to be "grassroots" organizations or citizens, and use the same technique bringing busloads of out-of-town lift wing lunatics to crowd into town hall meetings to shout down the genuine concerned citizens, and registering dead people in order to stuff the ballot box and cheat the honest citizens out of their right to vote.
No-one outdoes the left in the criminal, malicious, treasonous actions and lies they use to bully or cheat their way to fooling the gullible and misinformed public into a tyranny.
In other news: We find that Obama has taken in record funding from groups such as Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley while he attempts to convince the public that he is 1 with OWS. In addition, major campaign bundlers running Solyndra, Fiskar, and Beacon, have been rewarded by Obama by funneling the taxpayers money to their now defunct corporations. In other news we find that the state departement has used taxpayer funds to buy $70,000 worth of Obamas autobiography to give out around the world. Obama thanks the taxpayers for this generous gesture as it will enhance his book royalties substantially. And finally he gives the taxpayer additional thanks for allowing him to list his 2 daughters as senior staff on Michelles African trip so that he would not have to pay for them out of his own pocket.
Until BOTH sides of the aisle are demonized equally this story is yet another yawner. Lets see MSNBC run equal time about Soros and his friends buying every Democrat and then we can make some honest comparisons.
The Fraud News and their clown candidates are out "Colberting" Stephen Colbert. I'm beginning to get bigger laughs out of these clowns what with Perry doing his Foster Brooks impersonation, Bachmann crazy eyes look and stories, Romney flip flopping like a halibut I could go on but you all seen the show.
On another note, some numbers and names...part of the 1% in fact .01% of it Wes Bush, Northrup/Grumman $22.8 million per year, Robert Stevens, Lockheed/Martin $21.89 million per year, James McNerney, Boeing $19.4 mil. while spending $15.7 million in 2010, $12.7 mil. and 417.98 mil. respectively on lobbying. Where do they get their money?...mostly government contracts.
The Constitution was ratified 1789 with one reference to god, article 6 "No religious test..." de facto motto was E. Pluribus Unum (out of many, one). 174 years later 1956 congress adds "In god we trust" to our money. Pledge of alliance written by Baptist minister Francis Berkley did not use the phrase "under god" added in 1954. All this was done doing the "red scare" of the 50's and since we are now under attack again we must reaffirm these mottoes. This is how the clowns in the house spent the other day thanks for addressing the economy and jobs! Now thats not so funny just sad.
AlexM - Love it, quote of the day. The real sheep is the hack who will follow any BS a Party feeds them.
BTW - Whoever was dumb enough to make the comment "Michele Bachmann is not a professional politician" I would have to agree, shes not a professional anything!
The really big question is... Will Bill O'Really retract his berating and ranting about how there is no proof Cain is tied to the Koch brothers? Come on FOX Noise, we want to hear a friggin' apology NOW!
every republican running for the office of president has his or her hand out for money..Cain is no different in this respect. Actually, every politican in washington is on the take from one group or the other.......and we citizens wonder what is going on in washington with our elected ?
Koch's can go to hell, their day will come. They are evil hogs.
Once again, and in all seriousness, I have to question where you went to law school, and whether you learned anything there. It's a story because a non-profit organization cannot give directly to a campaign. Go up a couple of threads and read all about it.
Do a little research before you presume to righteously pontificate. And learn how to spell Buffett.
We have already established your pedigree and brilliance over me. Aim sorry that I can't type nor pontificate as well as you. Single finger iPad typing is difficult. I truly am sorry that my knowledge and experience are inferior to yours and attempting to provide different points of view.
Pretty obvious that the left is very, very afraid of Herman Cain.
Pretty obvious that the old guard of the GOP is very,very afraid of Herman Cain!
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
Why would they be WCA, he is not going to get the black vote, or labors vote, or flip any democratic voters, he is only popular with republican primary voters and only because he is in a field of weak candidates, if Christie would have gotten in those republican primary voters would have dropped Cain like a hot potato. I don't think the left fears him one bit in a head to head match-up against Obama, and by the way the only republican that is beating Obama in a head to head match-up in the polls is an imaginary republican named Generic. When Mr. Generic throws his hat in the ring then maybe the left will have something to fear.
Yes...if the Cain Campaign broke campaign finance laws it will OBVIOUSLY be the fault of the Democrats.
White: You must have not read the article. The Koch brothers are the ones checking into this, and they couldn't be any farther right. Get real.
OK, I've read this post three times, and I still don't understand what makes Prosperity USA a "charity." It sounds like Block set up two non-profits for the purpose of funding Cain's campaign. How is this different from any other PAC? What charitable purpose were these organizations supposedly doing? I don't get it. Somebody read this and explain it to me.
Afraid? How?
Herman Cain, is now and always was a strawman for the Koch agenda, and if he sold a few books along the way, it was a win win all 'round. Trouble is the TP thought he was a gift from on high, then when the questions came with the scrutiny of a frontrunner, his answers showed he was not a viable candidate and that he really has feet of clay. His trouble with 'sexual harassment problems and how he is handling it only adds to his negativity.
Why would we be afraid of this bumbler?
Who's more afraid, WCA?
The left of Herman Cain, or the right of Barack Obama.
I don't know the nuances, myself, but the way it was done is illegal. There are certain limitations on what any PAC can do, but this was outside those limits.
Well I guess maybe some women are afraid of him now but that is about it.
Verno, The Koch's are checking into it because the Center for Public Intergrity uncovered the issue. The Koch's have no choice but to check their books.
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Amy: " I still don't understand what makes Prosperity USA a "charity".
Good question, Amy. Webster's defines "charity" as follows:
"1: benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity
2a : generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering; also : aid given to those in need b : an institution engaged in relief of the poor c : public provision for the relief of the needy
3a : a gift for public benevolent purposes b : an institution (as a hospital) founded by such a gift "
Since when are "non-profit" and "charity" interchangeable terms?
MAY “THE FORCE” BE LIFTED HERMAN CAIN!
Speaking to a group of supporters today in Virginia, Cain said,
What force? Legally binding documents? So far, the voters of Iowa don't seem to mind the allegations, which is what really matters anyway.
Now, the woman who accused Cain of misconduct and took the severance pay wants to speak out, but is barred from doing so by the terms of her agreement.
"[Cain's] basically saying: 'I never harassed anyone. These claims have no merit,'" the woman's lawyer tells the Times.
According to the paper's four sources, the alleged encounter took place "in the context of a work outing.” A relative of the woman spoke about the attention surrounding the incident:
The embarassment that is the Cain campaign grows….Herman Cain is being accused of sexual harassment by a third former employee.
The ex-staffer, a woman who worked for Cain at the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, told the Associated Press that GOP candidate displayed aggressive and unsolicited behavior, including suggestive remarks and inappropriate gestures. She claimed that he even invited her back to his apartment, a breach of company policy.
According to Politico, GOP pollster Chris Wilson told a radio station that the alleged
In an interview with POLITICO, Wilson said he
Wilson declined to say specifically what Cain said or did to the woman, but that the CEO's actions made other individuals at the table uneasy.
"It was very uncomfortable," said the pollster, recalling that
Wilson said there were at least three other people at the gathering but wouldn't share the name of the woman for publication.
Radio Station confirms charges
Fouth charge of harassment comes forward from Iowa radio station.
The White House hopes of Herman Cain have been dealt another blow after a conservative radio host in Iowa accused him of subjecting two of his female staff to "inappropriate and awkward" behaviour.
Will the “Force” shielding the Cain campaign be lifted? We should know today.
Personally I would like to see Herman Cain be the republican nominee. He is a certain loser.
Since when are "non-profit" and "charity" interchangeable terms?
Exactly.
Just about as afraid of Mr Cain as I am of Ms. Palin - you betya!
Excuse me while I laugh loudly and heartily!
Amy, they are subject to very similar regulations...not interchangeable.
No one is afraid of Herman Cain winning. It's not the election that libs, progressives and Dems are focused on (quite unlike conservative GOPers). Cain hasn't got a chance in the election. What people are afraid of is what would happen IF he actually won. The whole country should be afraid of that. This thing isn't over on election day. This isn't some race to a trophy. This is about selecting a qualified leader who then has a job to do. A tough job. A job that has consequences. If all the candidate excels at is the interview process, then we're @!$%#ed.
So be afraid of empty headed suits who have been bred by Koch think tanks. Don't let them through the interview process.
Radast, it would be easy to replace the name Cain with Obama. You talk about an empty suit.
"Koch-backed group confirms financial ties to Cain campaign manager"
Isn't there a bigger story than this one?
How about this for a story................"CORZINE GAVE STOLEN MONEY FROM INVESTORS TO THE CAMPAIGN COFFERS OF OBAMA"
Leona: Sites of you reference please. Or is it just more BS from the right?
What could be bigger than republicans admitting they have a KochCain problem. Don't worry though, democrats are going to perform an intervention.
1. That is currently being investigated by the FBI...nothing confirmed.
2. That was covered on Wednesday...try and keep up with us, dear.
Nope. Leona, it's clear that you know nothing about bundling, or you wouldn't have made such an embarassing comment.
I gotta riff on you, Forrest, that's too perfect:
She don't lie, She don't lie, She don't lie; Kochcain.
How about "if you want to get down, down on the ground KochCain". I'm with Nancy Reagan on this one "Just Say No"
Da noid: "1. That (Corzine/Obama scandal) is currently being investigated by the FBI...nothing confirmed."
"Nothing confirmed" ?? Let's face it, the documents are being shredded as we speak.
Msnbc would rather write 50 articles beating up Herman Cain to every one article that might merely mention the possibility of an Obama scandal.
HYPOCRITES.
Very clever Grumps!
Leona: LOOK, SQUIRREL!!!!!
I love when ya post these...makes me laugh out loud
Good grief, I can't belive I have to do this. Here are a few MSNBC stories on Corzine's fiasco for you LEONA:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45162753
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45162173
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45162771
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45162596
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45160051
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45158843
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45099377
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45153768
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45157570
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45157439
If you want, I can provide plenty more. By the way, you're welcome. :)
Warhammer,
Too bad "I have to do this" BUT I was speaking of articles which link Obama to Corzine.
Nice try.
"When you are losing the debate, change the subject" ..... Karl Rove
And can we PLEASE STOP with the whole liberal/right-wing media hoopla!? Let's get this straight: it's all CORPORATE MEDIA. All theses news outlets care about is the bottom line. And how do they improve the bottom line? By increasing viewership/readership (because that equals advertising dollars). And how do they increase viewership/readership? By covering controvery...whether it's true, false or somewhere in between. They can print complete and utter BS as long as they say in the article that "some speculate" about this or that or whatever.
So I ask you all: what will create more controversy? A now seemingly front running potential presidential candidate breaking all sorts of campaign finance rules which could possibly destory his candidacy or some has-been politician, whose political career is beyond over, running his company into the ground by possibly defrauding its customers?
Do we all see now how the main stream media works?
Here is a difference between Republicans and Democrats---if Corzine broke the rules and gave improper donations to the Obama campaign, it will be investigated and the funds given back. When Republicans do it, they cover it up.
Heres one for ya with 285 posted comments
Hey AP can I try your trick?
Does this ring a bell?
It should ring a bell...YOU even commented on the article!!!
LEONA is known for BS.... I haven't heard one thing from her mouth worth listening to.
Don't we even get a "Thank You" for pointing out articles on this blog that she's already seen?
Stop, you guys! You're gone hurt BALEONA's brain with all of those facts.
Nothing to see here just a Tea Bag trying to change the conversation (again) with nonsense and fiction.
Forrest,
You kill me.
Just because people disagree does not mean we always have to be disagreeable, did you read my reply to your post late last night?
Has anyone ever seen or heard an interview with the Koch Brothers? I never have but something tells me they'd come across like Randolph and Mortimer Duke from the movie Trading Places.
that's how I picture them too. I don't think, however, that they would have give Eddie Murphy a chance to succeed. . . . . but I'm just guessing.
a reporter in wisc called the kochs and said he was with scott walker he had a very enlightened discussion with the kochs they dropped a lot of floaters in the punch bowl the brothers platform is well known crush the unions remove EPA standards cut taxes check out GOP jobs . com this jobs plan is fresh out the koch play book bought and paid for the house and senate at least the dems recognize there is a poor and middle class
it's time we elect centrist common sense americans no more ideologues election reform is the only answer
Koch Cain and you get molassas. Sticky stuff. Spread it over corporatists and politicians, then one can't be discerned from the other. Sticky mess. Now, we must all think about the "side saddle rider" the "wax man" and the "pig eyed Newt". Not too seriously though.
seriously-2011
that's how I picture them too. I don't think, however, that they would have give Eddie Murphy a chance to succeed.
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..........What about Herman Cain?
Nothing new here,,,, just a bunch of liars, cheats, and thieves.
Is it possible none of the current candidates will be on the GOP ticket? If none have a clear majority at the convention can they draft someone new? This seems to me to be their only chance. Any thoughts?
Maybe they're just lulling us into a false sense of security. At the last minute, they will bring out someone moderately bright and, compared to the present cast of characters, will look like a genious.
the gop candidates are single issue candidates to draw in simple minded single issue voters. they will keep all of the candidates in the race in order to bring in as many simple minded single issue voters that they can. the only reason that Pawlenty left the race is because Santorum (sp?) is very similar to him and Pawlenty will be the VP running mate when the time comes.
the gop has always been about a puppet on a string and who is making the puppet dance.
John..I've been thinking the same thing you just alluded to - for months now. I know Jeb Bush and Christie have said no...but don't rule either out in a draft at the convention. Still having said that, I wouldnt vote for either of them. They represent more of the same, tired, TP/Publican failed policies.
I wonder if the non profit funded by Koch was involved with the Govenor Walker campaign?
Makes you wonder because they are both from Wisconsin.
I will tell you this. While all of this is going on, there is no doubt the Liberals are scared to death and will do anything to tarnish candidates. It is tyical politics as usualy. But I find it strange that not one of them has looked a the illegal funding from foreign interest and the Unions that is putting money into Obamas Campaign. Why is that?
Does that mean there still is a chance for Palin! I do love her affect on the comedy shows.
Black knight, it was not the liberals who tarnished him, it's his own party. Please get that straight. It's just a matter of when Cain was going to fall. He continues to open his mouth and stupidity comes out. He has pretty much pissed off black folks and women, it was the white men that were next with this allegation and I am sure the women were white. I mean, how else would you explain it? And I say this is payback for the @!$%#head camp thing he claimed to have a problem wiht. Honestly, I didn't care about that, I'm black but you are going to go after Perry for something as stupid as that. I can't stand Perry either, but for something a bit more important than a camp that his father purchased a long time ago.
Black Knight, undoubtedly there are discrepancies with the democrats contributions as well. But it still doesn't mean this is acceptable. All politicians are bought and paid for, I think Republicans are just a little more obvious.
Blacknut: "Illegal foreign funding" There is no illegal foreign funding since your radical right supreme court threw open the bank doors in the Citizens United case. It's wide open out there, any foreign corporation can throw money into US elections now. Have you been off the planet for awhile and missed this?
seriously-2011
Does that mean there still is a chance for Palin! I do love her affect on the comedy shows.
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...........Ummm, no. Moderate Dem's suggestion used the expression "moderately bright".
Believe it or not, I have a serious question. What is so God awful bad about Jon Huntsman that he should be so far behind in the polls? Isn't he far right enough for the TP? At least he seems a hell of a lot more normal than the others.
Roadhouse: Good point about Huntsman. He's just not catching fire. Could it be carry over taint from being Obama's ambassador to China? Or maybe he's just too damn smart and the baggers perceive him as being elitist. I would bet he knows his geography too.
"Or maybe he's just too damn smart and the baggers perceive him as being elitist"
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.........Perhaps it's more of a case that he's too damned smart and they know they won't be able to control him like Ryan, Cantor, Boehner and McConnell. My God, what a scary thought....a candidate that can think for himself!
This says it all about Mr. Cain - in the master scheme of things, I don't care as much about Cain's reported sexual misconduct as I do about his ties to the radical Koch brothers. Cain and any other politicians knowingly accepting funds from the Koch family should NOT be considered serious candidates of change since the Koch brothers continuously funds the rich getting richer off the sweat of hard working Americans and are intent on destroying the middle class and labor unions.
WOW. The kool aid is strong today.
Let's see....."Living in a racist state" is your name here........let me guess......would those states, according to you, be largely Republican states???
LOL, You are too obvious.
At least change your name before you spew the liberal hate talking points.
*LEONA_2986819* Do you believe what Cain said, that is no racism in America???
TruthBeingTold,
Every man/woman has their own life experience, especially when it comes to "racism." My opinion about race is only my opinion.
Why can't you be happy for a man like Herman Cain who feels that his success was unimpeded by racism?
Why perpetuate the HATE ? Is that what you want for your children because you are not helping the younger ones . They need optimism, not hate and disappointment.
I am reminded of an ad that runs frequently on the Lifetime Network. A successful, educated woman of hispanic heritage begins by talking about her wonderful day of meetings with high powered executives and then ends it up as a sad story because somebody supposedly mistook her for a service worker at the hotel, because she was walking to get ice from a machine in the hallway. First of all, that is pretty offensive to all folks who work in the service and hospitality industries (the idea that somebody wouldn't want to be mistaken for them), but secondly, the implied message was that she was only mistook because of her race and sex.....I have had numerous occassions when I was mistaken for a store clerk, or perhaps an usher, facilities monitor...that particular day, without my knowing in advance, I had worn some clothing article or style that was similar to the person of whom they were seeking assistance. I never got offended, and I think that it is sad to say that people can assess their worth in society by a mistaken identity in a chance encounter. It is even sadder that they have to assume that it is a race issue, or a sexist issue that resulted in the mistaken identity
OK, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and make a prediction of the last day of Hermie's campaign......(sound you hear is rolling of the dice) - November 18, 2011.
No, the death won't be a bang, but a whimper---(ie Bachman)
AP
Bachmann's last day was a month ago.....she just doesn't know it yet.
LOL..Dee..there should be a FR pool on this! I'm going with 11/11/11 since its a very cool number.
CC in IL
Ha! I'm in on the Hermie pool! Well, the 11th is exactly a week before my prediction....you just might be right!
But it's Perry's fault, no it is the left wing socialist's fault, no it is the lame stream media's fault..... But it is your own damn fault if you don't have a job delivering pizza and in this case that is all Hermie is qualified to do.
Not True!!! He has a wonderfull voice.
Imagine that, the Koch Brothers as a silent financial faction behind the Cain campaign.....Busy boys, The Kochs, aren't they...from manipulating Wisconsin politics, to the purchasing Supreme Court Justices...now backing presidential candidates ....does anyone see a trend here???
Desertartist,
I see it another way. Here are you words with a twist..........
"Imagine that, (Corzine) as a silent financial faction behind the (Obama) campaign."
Don't forget about Ohio (the Gov) and North Carolina... they have their hands anywhere and everywhere they can to promote their corporations first and only, f@#$ everybody else agenda
Yeah!!! The Koch-Cain Cartel...hum!!! Are they a non-profit???
Actually more of an NGO. The word "cartel" connotes an image of violence and insurrection. Yeah, you're right they are a cartel.
Like I have been saying for years, all political parties in this country are corrupt. We need term limits of no more than six years in any fed office, including president. Six and done no more life time pols, at the expense of the tax payer. Outlaw all lobbyist. And get big money out of politics altogether.
Tomvet,
Even if they were to "outlaw the lobbyists", they'd sneak them in the back door, under another name, just like they do right now.
If there is a change to six-and-out, the only ones who'll know anything are staff. Theoretically at least, electees are responsible to their electors. With a the power balance tipped in favor of staff and newbie electees dependent on staff, the staff will be even more the legislators than they are now and only indirectly accountable to electors.
"Term Limits", NG; "lobbyists", NG; even "staff members" not accountable....WHAT"S THE ANSWER? ? ?
Be a part of the solution. Go to getmoneyout.com to get money out of politics.
I don't know if it is possible, but maybe setting term limits on staff positions would be wise as well. That would take away the reasoning that staffers would know it all. After all, we limit the amount of time someone can be in the military so there is a presedence.
The Kock brothers are not racists, they will use a black puppet if they have to.
Why can't you be happy for a man like Herman Cain who feels that his success was unimpeded by racism?
Why perpetuate the HATE ? Is that what you want for your children because you are not helping the younger ones . They need optimism, not hate and disappointment.
Enough.
Leona,
Your mental illness helps no one!
Honestly, Snooki and The Situation would be more credible candidates than any of these clowns.
The Koch brothers are trying to buy the presidency for Herman Cain. As you can tell by now, Hermie is an empty suite with no knowege of foriegn affairs or even domestic affairs. He has nothing but his stupid 999 pizza plan. When he blames the unemployed for their own situation, it's the Koch boys speaking.
Actually, I think it was the Koch Bros that outed Cain. Their token "see, TPs aren't racist" candidate started to run away with the show and that was not part of the plan.
What is sad about this revelation is the fact that it confirms the influence of big money in American politics. Our politicians, regardless of party affiliation, depend on the contributions of special interests to compete and succeed and, when they win, they are indebted to those who helped them achieve their political goals. This unfortunate state of affairs was endorsed and facilitated by the Supreme Court year or so ago.
One person, one vote.
A Natural Human vote!
These two rich kids have way too much time on their hands and way too much money. Isn't it enough for them to control the lives of their own employees and benefactors. No they have to try and control the voting public also. Way too much influence!
Well, they wanted to keep their activities quiet but the Cat is out of the Bag now.
Everyone knows who the Koch Brothers are now!
I knew there was a @!$%# in the woodpile somerwhere, as the say, No pizza man is rich enough to run for president on his own, and he is'nt even a lawyer. And probably plead ingnorance of the law.
If the Koch people are involved with Cain's campaign you can bet your last cent that underhanded dealings are in the works!
When the Koch Brothers were shopping for a tool they thought could beat Obama they decided on Herman Cain. He was perfect in so, so many respects.
They secretly funded his campaign through a non-profit group they own and Herman knowingly and gladly took the money. That is a felony and Herman may be Joining Tom DeLay soon, playing basketball for one hour a day.
Add this to Herman's frisky nature and his misogynistic attitude towards women and you have a real "Holy Crap" week for the Koch Brother. I am betting they didn't Know about Herman's appetite for women.
Now we learn the Big Kochs have been doing business with Iran in violation of State Department regulations?
Do they think the USA is for sale to the highest bidder? They must if they use Bush as a role model when he took a Trillion dollar loan from the Chinee.
The GOP is despicable on every facet and rotten to the core.
Isn't it called "The Trading with the Enemies Act"?
What's wrong with the Koch Bros. being connected with Cain's campaign? No less surprising than Obama's campaign supported by Soros and Buffett sponsoring big dollar campaign donation dinners.
Hello pot meet kettle, they're both the same color and well financed except Obama has the financial edge.
Tell us something new besides the same old political money game and bs.
Campaign donation and lobbyist bans or at least tax all campaign donations with proceeds going towards the debt. Suspend Congress's salary, benefits and expense accounts until they can actually balance the budget and reduce the long term debt.
Tad, what's wrong as stated in the article it that it is illegal for non-profits such as Prosperity USA to pay for political campaigns expenses.
Tealess
Tad, what's wrong as stated in the article it that it is illegal for non-profits such as Prosperity USA to pay for political campaigns expenses.
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........Tealess, as they say, don't confuse him with the details.
Kock industries give money to non-profit, get tax exemption but know that the money will be going to the campaign of Herman. Those guys are so shifty.
So much for the Koch Brothers keeping their ambitions Hush, Hush, everyone knows who they are now and now everyone knows that people like Cain and other "Tea Party" Favorites are up for grabs to the Brothers with bottomless pockets...
ted, enlighten us with your vast knowledge...who is george soros...who does he fund???
There is too much Private money in Politics Period! I don't care which Party is in office, our Democratic Republic does not belong to the People anymore.
Corporations and Large Businesses are not singular Natural Humans and Money is not speech!
Does Soros admit to backing Obama?
once again the article is about the koch bros...so by bringing up soros fund you're saying two wrongs don't make a right...or better you're admitting the koch bros. are guilty too.
No, just pointing out the MSNBC leftist bias. They are all dirty. It's just who can rise above the filth and actually lead.
I figure that when all of these allegations of campaign violations are investigated, it will be shown that the Koch brothers' foundation works in the same manner as does George Soros' Open Society Institute.
These foundations provide funding for other organizations that then provide funding for even more organizations until the money reaches levels that are allowed to make campaign donations.
Just a few of the groups to which Soros provides DIRECT funding are:
The Center for American Progress
MoveOn.org
Media Matters
Planned Parenthood
Project Vote (ACORN)
Think Progress
The Tides Foundation
I find it impossible to believe the protestations of ignorance from some of the Leftists on this forum about Soros' activities. You need simply to Google "Soros funded" and you will find a choice of categories; PACs, media organizations, and activist groups, etc, many of which have campaign fund-raising arms, that are either directly or indirectly funded by Soros.
The TRUTH is that Soros OWNS the Democratic Party and most of the most radical left-wing groups in the country. You surely can't believe that he has unlimited access to the Obama White House because of his sparkling personality, can you?
Doesn't own ME , I do not sign papers ..... that put me against the AMERICAN PEOPLE , just repug lemmings !!!
Instead of voting to make the US motto "In God we trust" shouldn't it be "In Koch we trust"? Instead of USA maybe the Repubs would like to change it to KSA!
Very True!