I think we are all looking for an "outsider" candidate to come in and shake up the status quo - Mr. Cain has certainly done that, but not in a positive way. He has not shown himself to be president-worthy. Even if accusations leveled at him are fabrications, he has not handled any of this well. All candidates get mud slung at them, unfair media treatment, etc..... it is part of the process. Much is learned about the candidate in their reaction.

I agree, Feisty, time for Mr. Cain to quietly slip away.

I'm all for popcorn!!

You know the real tragedy here is that Dan Balz was not hot on the Weiner investigation.

I wonder why that is?

1986

Have you all seen that very funny movie - Ruthless People?

Earl Mott with a gun pointed at Ken Kessler: Don't move!

Kessler: Who are you? What the hell is going on?

Mott: I'm robbing you.

Kessler: Stop him!

Guns start to shoot.

Mott to Kessler: Did you shoot at me?

Kessler: No you moron, there are police all over the place. Hundreds of them.

Mott: Do I look that stupid?

Kessler: Yes you do.

Mott: If you shot at me, where's your gun?

Kessler: Well, you're too sharp for me. You got me figured out. I don't have one.

More bullets fly.

Mott: That was a brand new tire. Give me your keys.

Police Officer to Mott: Give the bag to Bozo, drop the gun and put your hands in the air.

Earl Mott looks around: Who said that?

Police Officer: This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of the earth.

_______________________________

2011

DADT, bin Laden, Khaddafy, OWS, Wisconsin recalls, Arab Spring.

Big stories this year. I can't think of anything the GOP has done to make this world a better place.

And this crop of candidates in the GOP is pretty bad.

They're all about robbing us, using smoke screens to do it. It's what they always do. The GOP wants you to think they are the responsible ones. It's beyond hilarious.

And then there's this jackass -

Think Progress: Romney says he not offering tax cuts to the wealthy.

He's lying.

Romney’s tax plan, while not as generous to the rich as those of his competitors, still delivers its benefits to the top while ignoring those in the middle who haven’t seen their income rise in years. He might try to deny it, but the proposals that he’s put on paper make it very clear where his priorities lie.

______________________

Just how stupid does the GOP think we are?

Herman Cain will not go very far. Too bad. Same with Perry. I don't agree with him on anything, but he's the most likeable I think of all the candidates in the GOP. But he's a little "off" - can't put my finger on it exactly what's wrong with him. But he is entertaining and interesting to listen to.

Cain is too. But the skeletons are too much to overcome.

Romney just wants to rob the working and middle classes in order to protect the rich. Evidently that's okay with the media. But in reality, it's as big a crime as anything Cain has done.

He denied during a FOX debate that he said communities have a right to ban a mosque from being built, blaming staff that helped Chris Wallace prep for the debate for misquoting him. Yet, it was on Wallace’s FOX News Sunday show where the exchange originated.

There goes Cain's job at Fox "news" Friday...

You know the real tragedy here is that Dan Balz was not hot on the Weiner investigation.

I wonder why that is?

Uhm, Spanky, maybe he realized that it wasn't a big a story as the Talking Point Express riders such as yourself hoped it would turn into?

And the great part is that you know I'm right.

What is refreshing about Herman Cain is that he's not a career politician, with spin-meisters waiting in the wings.

Granted, this wasn't handled well, but when I think about it, it is so predictable that some anonymous charges, with no FACTS come out of someone's mouth, and a left-wing political rag runs a story with nothing but allegations.

Somebody tell me what happened! Anyone??? Mr. Beuhler... Mr. Beuhler???

I would love to see an Obama/Cain showdown. Obama has nothing. No previous success in business, no history on his upbringing, his schooling, old girlfriends...nothing!

Cain has a history. From his modest upbringing, to his ascent to CEO of major corporations. Someone tell me Obama's story. Not Bill Ayers story that he wrote for President Poser, but Obama's story.

Yeah nothing except he won the last election in an electoral landslide, and is a very successful CIC.

Patrick - It's not an allegation that Cain had to pay one lady a years salary to leave and not talk about what happened at the NRA. "Why haven't we heard anything but allegations"? Maybe because this lady was paid not to talk. That's the facts. Do you understand?

So we're down to pizza mogul Herman Cain

Who can't pronounce a country longer than his name

On liberal media outlets like Fox he places blame

Still... he's better than Slick Willard the political weather vane

MAY “THE FORCE” BE LIFTED HERMAN CAIN!

Speaking to a group of supporters today in Virginia, Cain said,

"There is a force at work here that is much greater than those that would try to destroy me and destroy this campaign."

What force? Legally binding documents? So far, the voters of Iowa don't seem to mind the allegations, which is what really matters anyway.

But as CQ notes the NRA "will sooner or later feel compelled to do the politically smart thing and release both women who have accused Cain of inappropriate sexual behavior from the gag-order clauses."

Now, the woman who accused Cain of misconduct and took the severance pay wants to speak out, but is barred from doing so by the terms of her agreement.

"[Cain's] basically saying: 'I never harassed anyone. These claims have no merit,'" the woman's lawyer tells the Times.

"And I'm sure my client would have a comeback to that."

According to the paper's four sources, the alleged encounter took place "in the context of a work outing.” A relative of the woman spoke about the attention surrounding the incident:

"This is not something we asked for. This is not something we brought on."

The embarassment that is the Cain campaign grows….Herman Cain is being accused of sexual harassment by a third former employee.

The ex-staffer, a woman who worked for Cain at the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, told the Associated Press that GOP candidate displayed aggressive and unsolicited behavior, including suggestive remarks and inappropriate gestures. She claimed that he even invited her back to his apartment, a breach of company policy.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A third former employee says she considered filing a workplace complaint over what she considered aggressive and unwanted behavior by Herman Cain when she worked for the presidential candidate in the 1990s. She says the behavior included a private invitation to his corporate apartment.

She worked for the National Restaurant Association when he was its head. She told The Associated Press that Cain made sexually suggestive remarks or gestures about the same time that two co-workers had settled separate harassment complaints against him.

The employee described situations in which she said Cain told her he had confided to colleagues how attractive she was and invited her to his corporate apartment outside work. She spoke on condition of anonymity, saying she feared retaliation.

Cain's campaign declined to comment to the AP.

According to Politico, GOP pollster Chris Wilson told a radio station that the alleged

"episode took place in the neighborhood where Cain kept an apartment when he headed the restaurant trade group." Wilson said, "This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia), and everybody was aware of it. It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left — everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up."

In an interview with POLITICO, Wilson said he

“was present for the episode and that it took place in the late '90s.”

Wilson declined to say specifically what Cain said or did to the woman, but that the CEO's actions made other individuals at the table uneasy.

"It was very uncomfortable," said the pollster, recalling that

“other individuals present asked Cain to stop.”

Wilson said there were at least three other people at the gathering but wouldn't share the name of the woman for publication.

Radio Station confirms charges

Chris Wilson, a former NRA staffer, told Oklahoma radio station KTOK that he witnessed Cain sexually harassing a woman at Virginia restaurant in the late 90s. Wilson said that while he could not discuss specifics of what happened, he believes if the woman were to talk about it "I think it'll be the end of his campaign."

Politico does add, "Wilson is a Rick Perry supporter and does polling for a Super PAC that supports the Texas governor's presidential bid." But Wilson wants to make it clear he did not leak the story.

Fouth charge of harassment comes forward from Iowa radio station.

The White House hopes of Herman Cain have been dealt another blow after a conservative radio host in Iowa accused him of subjecting two of his female staff to "inappropriate and awkward" behaviour.

Steve Deace, who has considerable influence among Christian conservatives in the state where the first votes in the contest for the Republican nomination will be cast in two months time, said Mr Cain was "compromised in his private life".

As the radio host gave an impromptu press conference in Des Moines, his two female staff were rushed out of the building where he works, protected by men who prevented them being asked questions by journalists.

Mr Deace, the Iowa radio host, did not say when the alleged incidents at his radio station happened but he has stated previously that he first met Mr Cain in July 2009.

"To bring up any further evidence or to add any more specifics really puts the burden on our staff and not really where the burden of proof for the American people belongs which is with the guy running for President of the United States," he said.

When asked about the latest allegation, Mr Block, the Cain campaign manager, made a cryptic reference to a receptionist.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/8867608/Herman-Cain-woes-continue-as-radio-host-accuses-him-of-inappropriate-behaviour.html

Will the “Force” shielding the Cain campaign be lifted? We should know today.

The National Restaurant Association is expected to announce on Friday whether it will publish a statement from one of the women who accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behaviour when he was chairman of the organisation.

A spokeswoman for the association, Sue Hensley, said a copy of the woman's statement had been received from her lawyer on Thursday and would be considered overnight.

The decision of the association, which Cain headed in the late 90s when the alleged sexual harassment took place, looks like a lose-lose situation for him. If published the statement could provide the first detailed account of what until now have only been vague charges. If the organisation refuses to publish it will look as if there is something significant to hide.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/04/herman-cain-faces-public-airing-harassment?newsfeed=true

The two women who received settlements signed agreements to maintain silence. But a Washington-based lawyer, Joel Bennett, acting on behalf of one of the women, wrote to the association on Thursday asking for the ban to be lifted and for her statement, which he provided, to be published. Hensley told Reuters on Thursday: "We are currently reviewing the document and we plan to respond tomorrow."

Forrest,

you wouldnt know a cold hard fact if it bit you.

A settlement does not mean Cain admitted to doing anything wrong. They are anonymous allegations.

Oh no - not you Forrest.

Forrest- surely you understand that lawsuits and claims are settled everyday. I myself have discussed 'cost of defense' settlements - where a decision is made that even though you are likely to prevail it is cheaper to settle- here several times.

None of these claims against Cain went to a judgement, i.e. there has never been a finding of fault.

Forrest every single settlement contains language like:

Without admission of fault or liability on the part of any of the parties and to avoid further costs, uncertainties and disruption, the parties agree to resolve any and all disputes...

This language came off a Settlement agreement on a breach of lease case I drafted this morning.

In fact, my client paid $40,000. In all likelihood we would have won - but only after trial. My estimated costs [the cost of defense] to go from here to trial was roughly $100,000.

So my client's choice was fight and win, but still be out $100k, or pay them the $40k now.

Pure economics Forrest. Not liability.

Forrest

I'm sure you know in the nineties the wrong word could land a man in "sexual harassment" territory. I'm sure you also know that settlements were normally cheaper than fighting. Take the figure given, 35,000 dollars. Far cheaper than paying a lawyer 500/hour (guessing, probably more) to fight the allegations. Confidentially agreements? No harm, no foul. Usually beneficial to both parties.

I'm actually almost surprised that this story has any legs at all. After all, shouldn't we just move....on.....dot....org. It's not like he raped anyone B.C.

A settlement does not mean Cain admitted to doing anything wrong

Oh Brother!

As if there aren't enough posters imposters posing as lawyers on First Read...

Say, booby how about you share your copy of Cain's settlement with us?

I want to see where he didn't admit to any wrong doing...

You know, I'm more than a little tired of men on this board assuming that women make harassment charges frivolously. Most women are terrified to make the accusation, knowing that they are going to be made to feel like the perpetrator rather than the victim.

And by the way, the other reason that settlements are made is that if the charges hold, the award might be larger.

So, for all of you who are SOOOO sure that you know that Cain is an innocent victim, why doesn't he, and the Association release the women from their confidentiality agreement and let the chips fall where they may? Hmmmm? Or is Cain too worried that they might be more credible than him?

In any event, this will be red meat to the fringe right wing, but Cain is unelectable.

Duke Lacrosse ring a bell newday?

Not saying that every allegation is false but it happens.

Whether or not Cain did the acts or not is just not relevant to this discussion - that a settlement is proof of wrongdoing.

That wasn't a job harassment charge, that was an allegation of rape. I always believed that woman should have been prosecuted. People like her make it difficult for real victims.

Spanky your high cost of litigation argument cuts both ways, frivolous charges by a women can be dispatched with four little words "take me to court" if they think the charges bogus they put the whole burden of costs and proof on the woman. Besides this is politics not a courtroom nobody gets to see the agreement signed, so the bottom line is you did not defend yourself because you could not defend yourself, the man is a multi-millionaire are he is afraid he can't keep pace with the legal costs against a $35,000 a year employee. In the court of public opinion he is guilty with a capital G.

I agree. But just an example. There are plenty of women who seek a pay day. My point is an agreement was reached with consent from the affronted parties.

I disagree with your characterization of "plenty of women seek a payday". That is a myth. There are plenty of women who don't report harassment for fear of losing their jobs. Then let the women speak. Cain is feeling pretty free to say what he wants, including say that one of the women was not performing her job well. Seems like that woman ought to be able to defend herself. Don't you agree?

Bob they are not anonymous allegations those are real women that were paid and signed agreements nothing anonymous about it, they know exactly who these women are.

The confidentiality agreement guarantees that nobody can say he was guilty, and the other side of that coin is they can no longer claim he is innocent. The bottom line is he is either guilty of the harassment or he sold out on his own good name for $35,000, pocket change for a man of his means, so either way he has a serious character flaw, which one is the only question now.

Doug: Come on. "plenty of women" just lie and can't wait to face ridicule, harrassment, loss of their jobs for a "payday"? That's just absurd. If Mr. Cain was troubled by the allegations, if the association felt they'd be severely damaged by them, then you take it to court. Another reason to "settle" and pay hush money is to avoid what will clearly be a much higher award by a jury.

Forrest - He wasn't in politics 15 years ago.

Further he did not settle, the Restaurant association did. But you seem to not understand. How does a defendant in a civil suit put all the costs of the plaintiff?

You got to get the facts straight. And I'm sure you understand that the Association is looking at it's bottom line, ie.e the costs.

This is a simple on Forrest.

You just seem to be missing the point Forrest. All of them in this case. Re-read my example. My client decided to settle the lease dispute because although the would have 'won' they would still be out more than the cost to resolve.

Simple math. I have had many clients that are all fight - 'No way I'm giving them a dime.' But after we win at trial and they are out hundreds of thousands of dollars they very often then realize they should have settled, it would have been much cheaper.

Principles are great, but can be very costly.

Any company which fires a woman for bringing sexual harassment charges would be opening themselves up an even more precarious situation. I think it may even be illegal to do such a thing. Maybe Spank knows.

I'm not saying your speculation is incorrect.....just unknown. An agreement was reached. Now....look at it from the other angle. She settled for 35,000 from an organization which has deeeeeeeeep pockets. If you knew you had an air tight case and indignant over the way you were treated.........why settle for such a low amount? Why not take it to court and expose it for what it is?

Come on booby - shake a leg - will ya?

We're still waiting for a copy of the settlement - you referenced...

***jeopardy music still playing***

Cain is toast. What a clown.
Obama 2012!!

Doug no single comment can ever be as considered as sexual harassment, you can say whatever you want right up until the point that the women informs you that the comments are "unwelcome conduct" now if you persist after that you are in the realm of harassment. If the women plays along or simply ignores you it is not harassment as a matter of law, she must first serve notice that your comments are unwelcome, and until she does that she has no case. Many people settle quickly not because of the cost, or because they would lose in court they settle because they don't want wifey and the kids to know that they did not commit sexual harassment but they came damn close to it.

Doug:That is why those confidentiality agreements should be terminated. Those are the questions that could be answered. If I had to guess why the woman took a settlement, it was to avoid what was sure to be an ugly court battle.

I read the article you posted, and am not sure why you consider it important. It was someone involved in that organization saying that he didn't know, was speculating as to why, and considered Cain a fine fellow, of course, he had not been in a position to have a problem with him.

I mention job loss fears since that is why women don't report harassment. It is not germane whether that is a realistic fear on their part.

But, the woman that did report harassment by Cain is not employed at the Association any more. Be interesting to know why.

Spanky: I hope you're better at law than you are at politics. you don't think the restaurant association ran by a $15k and $30k check with the director of the association before paying it? You don't think 15 years ago it entered Mr. Cain's head that he wanted to pursue a political career? No wonder you buy your clients' argument that nothing ever happens when it's women who say it happened...and nothing from any of these stories supports Mr. Cain's initial assertion (after the story changed several times) that this was about one innocent conversation unrelated to asking anyone to come back to his apartment or making any other suggestions. You may want to ease back on that Kool Aid.

Serve notice to who forrest?

newday

The article involved an actual person who has first hand knowledge of the inner workings of the organization. One of the claims Cain has made was he was not involved with the settlement and did not know the particulars. A claim the left finds hard to believe. As for the woman, it was 15 or more years ago. Are you still at the same job? Most people aren't.

I'm sorry Doug, but it sounded like a bunch of excuses from someone who was trying to make Cain look better.

Here is what we know: we know a settlement was made. We know that the accusation comes from more than one woman. We know that confidentiality agreements were signed.

What we don't know is what actually happened, and the only one that seems to feel free to talk is Cain. Now, is that abrogating the confidentiality agreement he signed? And if so, does that release the women from theirs?

And, by the by, how do you sign a confidentiality agreement for a settlement and then claim you know nothing about the settlement? Does that seems a bit, well, disingenuous to you?

And yes. I am at my same job. Since 1984. I retired to stay home and raise my cherubs.

Spanky "Forrest - He wasn't in politics 15 years ago." "Principles are great, but can be very costly."

So then I guess he just recently started worrying about his personal integrity, and don't act like he was at the mercy of the restaurant association he was the top man there, he was the boss applesauce the guy that calls the shots. If the charges were against him personally he is free defend himself regardless of how the restaurant association wanted to handle it. Not to mention that a breach of lease, and sexual harassment are pretty far apart on the scale of principals.

So what is your guess Spanky was this a case of "Hostile environment" sexual harassment or a more serious case of "Quid pro Quo" sexual harassment. Was this a problem with the organization he was the head of and responsible for or was it directly due to his personal actions. I have never seen a cash settlement for cases of "hostile environment", in my experience those are settled with some apologies some workplace sensitivity training and maybe a demotion or reprimands for some employees.

It looks like the women chose to be anonymous......and just looking at some of the comments, it's no wonder why!

Allegations, not so much!........Hermie did something/said something inappropriate and wrong!

Hermie did something/said something inappropriate and wrong!

If nothing else, this should teach Hermie to keep his lipstick secured firmly in it's case! ;o)

newday

Congrats on the longevity! But we both know people change employment quite often with the hope of advancing themselves.

How about this scenario? Cain is accused....settlement is reached....others hear of it and jump on board. Too far fetched? Given that we have no facts I can picture it.

I guess I missed where Cain signed the agreement. Point me in the right direction with a link.

Spanky: you're actually going to pick on the Washington Post's Dan Balz? Did you miss the wall to wall, blanket coverage of Mr. Weiner's uh...indiscretion? For a few weeks there I thought we were never going to stop learning about 'penis-gate'....

Doug she has to serve notice by simply telling the person directly or somebody who has authority over him that they do not appreciate that kind of talk or behavior directed towards them, it is not harassment until then, and only if the behavior persists after that. If the behavior stops right then and there is no harassment no matter what occurred previously. You can't be charged with harassment and lose in court for a single remark or proposition, it is only harassment if and when she tells you to stop and you don't stop. That is in the realm of "hostile environment" type harassment, which is the lessor of the two types and can be committed by any employee, "Quid pro Quo" is more serious and can only be committed by a person who is superior to you and has control over you in the chain of command of the company. That is far more serious because they can use that position as leverage against you to threaten you if you don't play along, or in some cases promise promotion if you do. An employee with the same level of authority can never charge another with that same level of authority with "Quid pro Quo" type harassment.

BTW I am not trying to play lawyer, everybody knows I am not a lawyer, I have seen a couple of dozen of these cases up close from my work with labor and management, I have seen it from both sides I am often right in the middle between them. Maybe it is a hidden benefit for a union employer, but bogus claims only result in the person making those false claims demoted or fired, and the union backs the employer in that decision if they have falsely accused in a frivolous or vengeful manner.

forrest

Are you saying there have never been any cases where a person has been accused except under the circumstances you've described?

Am I understanding you correctly?

No they can be accused under any circumstances, they just can't win in court if they can't prove that they brought it to the attention of the proper people, but the behavior persisted after that. People who really feel they are innocent but claim it is cheaper to pay up quickly rather than fight to preserve their good name and reputation are the ones who encourage people to make bogus claims. As you said they reached an agreement in this case, which indicates that they did in fact agree that she indeed had a viable case against them. I don't think they sat their across the table and said yes we know that your claims are bogus but we would like to give you $35,000 because that is the cheap, easy, and fast way to handle your bogus claims of sexual harassment. Yes mam we don't believe a word you are saying and you don't have a prayer in court but we will compromise and forever leave room for doubt on our reputations and give you $35,000, because that was one hell of a good BS story you got there, and it would too much trouble and expense to prove that. That's basically the argument that you, Spanky, and others are trying to make, and if that is the case, then what is a mans good name and reputation worth, well Cain's and the restaurant association where he was the top man is worth exactly $35,000 dollars. So is that it, he has millions in the bank but he only has $35,000 worth of character, if he is president will he do the right thing or just the cheap, fast, and easy thing, and then ask us to not discuss it ever again.

Who pays someone 35K when they have done nothing wrong. Cain was pretty much nobody back then and who's heard of the National Restaurant Association. This in it's time would have never made a big media splash. They would have never paid the woman if Cain didn't do anything. It doesn't make any sense.

What ever happen to presumption of innocence? I am not just referring to this story, but the whole political system, and the media, which makes a bad situation worse. Its ugly, its despicable, and for certain, we have hit a new low.

It's a restless hungry feeling
That don't mean no one no good
When everything I'm saying
You can say it just as good

You were right from your side
But I was right from mine
We're both just one too many mornings
And a thousand miles behind

Joan Baez

Well thetotas one example of something that makes it hard to presume innocence and dealing in good faith is when the very top Republican leaders of our nation state that their number one top priority is to make sure Obama will be a one term president, and this was stated immediately after he took office. How hard is to believe that the same people are operating in good faith for the American people when they sign pledges to a single individual, and put that pledge above 15 million Americans who are unemployed, above people protesting in the streets and unanimously kill any and every job bill that could help them. How about people who argue that it is ok to not even worry about getting at the truth regarding this sexual harassment issue, they are fine with the explanation that it was just too expensive to serve the truth, that the truth does not matter, the bottom line is that cost is what should guide their actions. We don't promote treating each other with fairness and honesty, we have not promoted that in a long time, we now just promote winning. When is the last time you heard somebody say it does not matter if you win or lose, what matters is how you play the game. Like Spanky said "Principles are great, but can be very costly" I guess we just can't afford them anymore with all this public, private, and national debt, or maybe we can blame 24 hour cable and radio shows that strive to inflame every situation, and violent video games. As far as this Cain situation is concerned they paid to settle and to seal the information, why do that if you are innocent, on top of that Cain was the top executive of the organization, and evidently the complaints were directed against him and not towards the organization as a whole. On one hand he wants us to believe he is a math wiz and has a mind like a steel trap, and at the same time he says he just don't remember much about this incident. I don't care if it was fifty years ago I would remember if I was accused of something like that, and I guarantee you Mrs. Grump would remember, and if I ever dreamed of forgetting I believe she would remind me in the greatest of detail. I totally agree with you that as a nation we desperately need to strive to treat each other with fairness and honesty, that would help to solve a lot of our problems, because a lot of our problems are self inflicted. Have a nice evening thetotas.

@ New Day you may be tired of people saying women make frivolous sexual harassment suits but it is a fact of life. I have personally seen it happen several times where I work. I have seen it done when they didn't t get a promotion or got what they perceived to be an unfair appraisal. Guess what sometimes they were settled and sometimes they weren't and it was not necessarily based on the guilt of the accused. Some women know it is to "go to" charge that gets attention. I think these type of women gives all of us women a bad rap. Stop being naive, it happens everyday.

Can anyone here plese explain in detail, exactly what Cain did, and with who?? ANYBODY??

ksw:

As much as I love apocryphal stories, yours is a "feeling". It is not germane. It minimizes women who work to suggest that they use such accusations to get ahead. A variation on the old theme "she slept her way to the top." Sorry, don't buy it, and shame on you for suggesting it.

I tried to sleep my way to the top New Day, but everytime they caught me sleeping I got in trouble instead of promoted!

@Newday Nice try, but having to have given testimony in several of these cases it is not a Feeling it is fact. You obviously live in a perfect utopian world where everyone is honest and above board, unfortunately that is not the real world experience. By the way it is not just women....

KSW did you give testimony in court?

So......forrest

You claim to have first hand knowledge of this type of situation.

In your experience, has there never been a claim where there was no proof outside of the accusation, or the claim had a high degree of doubt, and a settlement was reached?

Latest poll:

Snow White and 7 dwarves 48%

Obama 44%

Latest poll:

Who thinks booby is an angry little troll with jagged teeth & a yellow streak down his back? = 100%

Here's a relevant story.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/national-restaurant-association-chairman-during-cain%E2%80%99s-tenure-its-a-hatchet-job/

Poor Bob...isn't it just your awful luck that all you've got is sleepy, dopey and sneezey as candidates?Every one of them gets trounced according to the polls so far and that's against the worst numbers Obama has had. You better be among those many R's who just pray the economy doesn't get better, or that trouncing that's going to happen is going to make McCain's drubbing look like a dead heat.

No Bob --- these are the REAL numbers. Obama is beating ALL of the tepublicans.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

AP-1414066,

In an earlier thread today you asked if I am American -

I did not vote for Mr. Obama, nor do I plan to in 2012. If the Republicans can not put up a candidate I can get behind I may have to sit the election out. However, Mr. Obama is my president, whether I agree with him or not. I wish him success because when he succeeds it is good for my country. I do not gloat at his failures, nor do I wish him anything but the best.

American enough?

It's a shame the top republican elected officials of the nation can't be as American as you Mark.

I would respectfully suggest that if the republicans do not put up a candidate that you support, that you do vote for Obama, so that a candidate that you can't support has one vote less chance of winning the presidency, think of it as a protest vote to encourage the republican party to supply you with better choices in the future. People who would vote for a bad candidate purely for partisan reasons do the country a disservice. I appreciate your support of the POTUS even though you did not vote for him, I think that is the American thing to do.

Suggestion under consideration, Grump.

These phoney news outlets(like msnbc) have had more stories on Cain then they have had on demo boy john edwards the whole time that puke was close to being vice president!

You realize, of course, that when the story finally broke on John Edwards that he was no longer a candidate for anything, right?

Nothing about solyndra...

Gee, I must have been dreaming today when I the following articles were posted...

House committee subpoenas WH records on Solyndra

White House swiftly pushes back on Solyndra subpoena

Have a nice day!!!

This is an age-old campaign lynching of someone who intimidates and scares liberals.

Uh, you are aware, of course, that Mr. Cain's campaign believes that it is Gov. Perry's campaign that is responsible for airing the dirty laundry, right?

Put down the talking point and slowly back away.

Um Patrick, in case you did not know this, Politico, the publication that broke this story, is known to lean right and is no liberal publication. There are three women, two accepted settlement payments to shut-up and go away and one decided not to file a complaint. Obviously, it happened or the National Restaurant Association would not have paid those women to shut up and go away. They are lucky the women agreed. It is extrmeely difficult to prove but others are coming forward that witnessed to inappropriate behavior. Sexual harassment is indefensible. Stop defending the indefensible.

But alas, what are the facts and do they really matter when conservatives are so full of hate that support a candidate that has no clue about anything. Isn't that the conservative way, support candidates who are dumber than a rock and no matter how uninformed and ignorant they are? It sure appears that way. I mean, where is Ubecki, beki beki beki beki boopky bocky, anyway?

I believe what is driving it is that conservatives hate President Obama more than they love this country. Anyone who would vote for any of the republican candidates could not possibly love this county. Every proposal from every single one of them is just the same old draconian proven failed republican policies they've been peddling for thirty years. I don't get how anyone can still believe them when it is proven thier policies will end in the killing of the middle and working class.

We are bearing witness to the party of Lincoln becoming everything he opposed.

Just to clear up some misinformation here, One woman received $45,000 and another woman received $35,000 and now a third woman has been heard from. Those "settlements" were made 12 years ago, how much would that be in todays terms?

GOPisextinct, Great post! The "tea party" is the reinvention of the extrmeme right wing of the republican party and it is 100% financed by the Koch brothers and millionaires/billionaires that want to destroy this nation for their own gain in every possible way. You only need to look at the attendee lists and presentation agenda/book for their bi-annual so-called "seminars" to understand that.

*Joseph E. Parent* Just curious about something here...What about those Independent minded voters???

If you don't have any Democratic and Independent friends...well, I guess you are not very well rounded. To have friends from all political persuasions can help you understand your politics better.

To just accept the thinking of a certain group without considering the ideas of others, is very cult like. May that's why we have this gridlock in Washington???

"For Cain, a litany of gaffes, backtracks and stumbles"

I didn't see the name of Cain at first and read the title of the article and said....."Oh good, FINALLY an article about the Republican Party".

ksilvers,

Nice try.

You can bash Herman Cain all you want.....but....

the Repub voters like a straight talking, non P.C., NON POLITICIAN like Herman Cain.

He couldn't do any worse than the current administration.... ( high unemployment, $15 trillion debt,open borders, Solyndra style debacles, Fast & Furious, Union bail outs, etc.)

*Leona-2986819* I was just wandering, why does Cain and his followers keep boosting that he is not a politician. Yet, he keep failing at trying to be a politician. Just maybe we can say, therein lies the Audacity to Hope...

Truth,

Herman Cain is "failing" at everything if we listen to you. How about you let the Republicans decide who their candidate is and you stand behind Obama......

unless , of course, you are going to "jump ship?!"

I know things are not looking that great for Obama....with the Solyndra style scandals, Fast & Furious, $15 trillion debt, open borders, NO budget, OWS protesters getting arrested, etc.etc.

TruthBeingTold: "The republician want to be able to say that they are not racist, and that they believe in fair play too."

I beg to differ.

Isn't it the other way around??

The LEFT wants to be able to CALL the REPUBLICANS RACIST !!!!

The LEFT is thinking " DON'T TAKE AWAY OUR SLOGAN THAT THE REPUBS ARE RACIST ! HOW WILL WE KEEP THE LEMMINGS IN TOW without it ?!"

*Leona-2989819* If it is so painful for you to hear that your party blatantly practices racism, just imagine how those people are affected, that racism is perpetrated against... You don't have to join the democratic party, just amend your polictical practices/ways...be fair and balanced for real.

Yeah, as long as Cain plays along, he can stay in the race. I think the GOP is more shocked at the fact he is actually leading. Sorry folks, this whole story was a GOP inside job - Herman was getting a bit too popular for the masses so they had to knock him down a few pegs. Hermain is right about one thing, it's a high tech lynching from his own party.

Ann Coulter: "Our blacks are so much better than their blacks," she said, speaking of Democrats. "To become a black Republican, you don't just roll into it. You're not going with the flow...and that's why we have very impressive blacks in the Republican party."

How sad, hey I know black people too and my blacks are better than yours! How pathetic...

TruthBeing told,

Racism is practiced by Repubs according to who?? The political LEFT uses it and no one else believes it.

Why don't you get some REAL issuesThe Dems can use on the lemmings?? OH WAIT....I FORGOT...."SPEND SPEND SPEND" doesn't work anymore.

LOL

So far? trust me, if you don't like the republican candidates now you never will. The bottom line is this "Independent", you can vote for the 99% or vote against the 99%. The 1% is the voice of the republican party, that's really all you need to know. If you like ideological zealots with no intention of ever compromising to do what is in the best interest of the American people, they are your party. Neither party is much to write home about, but in the end the choice is really clear in 2012.

The minorities are no longer the minority...why do think the GOP is trying to restrict voter registration and come up with these new voter ID laws, to restrict voters right. Just to keep minorities from voting or the majority from voting??? Think about it...:-D

GOP will try and steal the election, they are counting the ways.

TruthBeingtold,

If propaganda will not work,as you say, well, Obama is toast.

"millionaires and billionaires"

"pay their fair share"

"corporate jets"

"on the backs of the poor"

"the wealthiest among us"

"you can keep your doctor"

"the economy is improving"

bla bla bla bla

Toyota,

try to get off the "Democrat Plantation" from time to time.

I can tell........ You need a break from all the race baiting.

It's bad for your health.

Now that you mention "pissing people off".....

I wonder if Goldman Sachs got pissed off that Obama got 3/4 of all their donations in 08 and he's done nothing but go around the country demonizing Wall Street .

Can anyone say HYPOCRITE??

He should they spent our money as part of the bail out.