All those directorates certainly help explain his disdain for the OWS movement---Wall Street is like Herman Cain's back yard.

Fiesty, be a dear and identify one memebr of Obama's cabinet that is not a 1%-er.

Shucks Feisty Gietner, Summers and Daley were Wall Street Fat Cats, i.e. filthy rich, game rigging 'capitalist'[s].

In fact Jon "he's our Wall Street Guy" Corzine was on Obama's campaign.

So what's this again - 'they are evil, but 'we' are pure and good.

Time to shut the computer down and go outside. You have lost it.

Cause you know the rank and file Libbies, like Pelosi and Kerry are damn near paupers and totally relate to John Q.

So you show your true colors. So you hate the successful? When did it become wrong to work hard and use your talent and ambition to become as you say filthy rich? I guess Albert Pujols is a filthy rich game rigging capitalist because he is using his talent to win a world series. Instead of having so much sucess envy, why dont you get off your butt and do it yourself? Isnt that what this country is all about? Oh thats right self reliance and personal accountability dont matter anymore, its all about getting a government check so you dont have to work. Hate his politics but dont hate his success. Isnt that what you guys tell us about Obama all the time--I just wish he had some success.

Rob in ma--no one said that except you. I've flagged your comment because implied threats are never funny.

He's not that filthy rich. I'm guessing his net worth is solidly on the low end of the spectrum for former CEOs. I would have thought he'd have more than $6 million.

More liberal jealousy from carrot top! lol

Sure Cain is successful Obama on the other hand has the reverse Midas Touch. Almost everythinghe touches turns to You Know What! The list of his failures with taxpayer monies is too long to list here.

Liberals continue to hate success, and demand others to pay for their benefits. To quote Al Gore, the most famous liberal: "A zebra cannot change its spots", lol

More liberal jealousy from carrot top! lol

Hardly! lol

If anything, I'm still astounded how the stuck on stupid crowd buys into the 'I'm just like you BS'!

George - make sure to pick up a Lotto ticket when you stop & buy your 12 pack on the way home to your double wide. ;o)

No one said there's anything wrong with success, with earning money, with investing it for more. Cain is just another successful businessman milking the Board of Directors system for income; they are nothing more than a firm buying votes with a yearly salary to do whatever a business wants.

Yup. like Michael Moore. By the way, the clintons are worth nearly 100M, and Kerry? Sorry cant count that high

The Cain clown is nothing more then a filthy rich, game rigging 'capitalist' pretending to be the ordinary working unemployed stiff now known as John Q. Public!

Yet Obama's net worth is almost twice Cain's right, Feisty ....$5-$10.5 million.

We see where and how Cain made his money, where did a humble, noble "public servant"/politician make that kind of coin besides the books that Ayers and other wrote or him?

Think Cain talks about raising a billion? How does one do that without the ultra rich and cronyism?

Game Rigging?

Like the green industry with tax payer money?

Is it any wonder he can afford his 'huggy-bear' hats? lol

That snark reminds me ..... do you put stupid little hats on your cats too, or just stupid little wigs?

Jody's comments and opinions - always based on her own personal knowledge and experience.

So Jody - just how many Boards do you currently sit on that allows you to offer this well thought out opinion?

Jody - have you ever even been to a Board meeting? EVER?

I'm going to guess that's a big old no.

All that money, but his good name was only worth $35,000 to him. No amount of money can buy that back for him now, he sold his reputation for chump change.

When you think of Hermann these days do you think wow he is worth millions or do you think wow he sexaully harrassed two different women, and then paid them off on condition they did not discuss the details. If you were innocent you should have went to court, now we know what you are Hermann, and we know you are a cheap one at that.

Wonder what role, if any, did he pay in Whirlpool's decision to close the plant in Arkansas and tossing 1,000k out of work? Five years ago they employed over 4,000k, now all the jobs have gone to Mexico. His stock holdings are impressive.

Bob, dont forget that income Obama made from selling 10 feet of his backyard to Tony Rezco for several hundred thousand dollars. The Obama's are astute real estate investors it appears too. I am sure that is far more ethical and morally acceptable to Fiesty and Jody than sitting on corporate boards. If I could make that kind of money on corporate boards, I want to know who here wouldnt.

Forrest, I have no idea about the sexual harrassment but you have to know that nobody goes to court whether they are innocent or not. In a senior officer position, these claims happen routinely as a method of getting some sort of settlement and its always cheaper to settle. You can never win over the court of public opinion innocent or not by taking it to court. I have signed many of these checks in the past some deserving as the claims had merit and some didnt have merit. Maybe Cain's claims had merit, but maybe they didnt. Its tough to know from what has been made public.

$35,000 isn't much Forrest ... one plate at an Obama fund raiser, besides the cost to beat it had to be $50,000 - $75,000 alone.

So what 'do think of these days' about Bill Clinton?

Do you think of him as a rapist? (Juanita Broaddrick)

Do you think of him as scumbag horndog? (Kathleen Wiley)

Do think of him as a sexual predator who obstructs justice? (Paula Jones)

It is very heart warming to know that we have so many really rich people posting here everyday. Who knew we were associating with such enormously successful individuals. Congratulations to all of you, I'm beginning to think that the stats are wrong and there is more than 1% that will admit they are super wealthy. How else can one explain this vociferous defense of people who present themselves as everyday folks?

Now don't y'all have a board meeting to attend?

Geo. Hayduke, nice call... don't worry about carrot top's slobbering response at least she won't invite you to her fan club now... lol

I think he forever tarnished his good name Bob. Of all the things the man has accomplished, his affair in the white house is the only thing his enemies can remember about him, and it is the one thing his supporters can never forget. Thanks for proving my point.

I also agree that $35,000 is not much money, especialy for a guy with millions, he certainly could afford to defend himself, so why settle out of court if you are innocent.

Spanky,

First, Jody is right that corporate boards of directors are rigged games. It's the Old Boys' Network at its finest.

Second, you keep stating that you're an attorney, but your grammar and imprecise use of language indicates exactly the opposite, so I don't think you have a right to call b******t on anyone!

(P.S. Since you don't seem to know the difference between "its" and "it's", please see my first sentence.)

Gingerbread Mamma--maybe you should look at it the other way. I wonder what role he had in saving the 3000 jobs remaining in Arkansas by moving some of the operations to Mexico thereby making Whirlpool products more cost competitive with its competitors. I assume you dont overpay for your appliances and look at cost as one component. Maybe those jobs were saved as a result and now that they are competitive, sales will grow and more people can be hired. Sort of like GM right? You notice as sales grow including overseas, they hire more here right?

A lot of you miss the point, it isn't jealousy toward a person who has accumulated wealth. It's the greed and lust for power by some of the top 1% that caused this disaster we're living through. Cain, puts down people who haven't "made it". It's their fault. But, when the stories of his sexual harassment charges come out, does he take the blame for possibly acting inappropiately - NO. He blames the media, the dems, the reps and his followers blame the women. He puts forth a tax plan that will benefit him personally. Do you think he didn't know this when he proposed it?

Well, Cain had better save his money because it's unlikely that HIS book will sell as well as the books written by each of the women who accused of him of harassment.

Dollars to donuts they get advances that will be well in excess of whatever money they may have to pay back to break their confidentiality agreement.

If they even have to pay it back, now that Cain has demonstrated his inability to keep his own ... lips ... zipped.

FR:

At this income level, and with so much of Cain’s money wrapped up in the stock market, if his 9-9-9 plan were to go into effect, he would stand to greatly benefit. Cain’s plan would reduce the income tax rate to 9% and eliminate the capital gains and estate taxes. Under the current tax system, those at Cain’s income level pay a significantly higher share of taxes than is proposed under his plan.

Why, whatever are you insinuating, FR? I'll bet champion-of-the-poor-and-downtrodden Herman Cain NEVER even thought of that. LoL

Spanky,

First, Jody is right that corporate boards of directors are rigged games. It's the Old Boys' Network at its finest.

Second, you keep stating that you're an attorney, but your grammar and imprecise use of language indicates exactly the opposite, so I don't think you have a right to call b******t on anyone!

(P.S. Since you don't see to know the difference between "its" and "it's", please see my first sentence.)

Forrest,

Actually I don't think of Clinton in those terms until reminded by the staggering hypocrisy of the left.

The stories were all over the place before Clinton was elected, you guys got fooled - not me.

Nope I remember Clinton as the guy that started the Fannie/Freddie mess that led to the collapse of the economy, the guy that ignored / Al Qaeda, built the wall between the CIA and FBI, passed on getting Osama, destroyed our intelligence capabilities - all that led to 9/11.

Fun guy and great politician though, huh?

FR:

THE stands for "The Hermanator Experience." (between $50,000 to $100,000)

Seriously? Conservatives want to nominate a candidate for president who operates something called "The Hermanator Experience"?

Have I just taken a trip in a Delorean with Michael J. Fox and landed in a disco somewhere in the summer of 1975?

Or, wait. I think I saw an infomercial for the 3-CD boxed set after the evening news last Saturday night.

Hermanator. Seriously. No wonder that everytime I think of Cain, I hear "Macho Man." LoL

And the liberal rooster crow again this morning about the net worth of Herman Cain. My, they must be afraid of this guy out there in liberal land.

Followthemoney.com is an interesting site to review the net worth of those funny boys and girls in Congress. Log on and see the first filings of your favorite Congressional leader and compare to the latest required filing.

Now I like the earnings of Nancy Pelosi. Here's a 1%'er that talks from one side of the mouth while not following through with her personal earnings as she wants everyone else to do. Chris Dodd hasn't done badly either.

And the liberals complain about those evil CEO's! Look at the numbers from those funny people of Congress.

I remember him handing GW Bush a kick ass economy and a budget surplus.

the guy that ignored / Al Qaeda,

Bob, you really need to be careful how you throw this false accusation around.

You won't like where it lands.

The Bush administration obviously had all of the same information that Clinton had about Al Qaeda, including the Cole, which happened just before the 2000 election.

After all, it was in all the papers.

And just ask Richard Clarke. Both he and Clinton warned Bush specifically about Al Qaeda.

Why wasn't Bush so outraged by the Cole that he immediately launched a full-out effort to get bin Laden?

He didn't, did he?

The fact is, Bob, that even if it could be said that Clinton ignored Al Qaeda, then the same thing HAS TO BE said about Bush, magnified exponentially by Bush's own inexplicable demotion of Richard Clarke and his summary dismissal of the August, 2001 memo with a flip comment to the guy who flew all the way to Texas to brief him.

Doesn't it?

Forrest Grump 2.0
I remember him handing GW Bush a kick ass economy and a budget surplus.

If I recall, the economy was only good because of the Internet boom that turned out to be a bust. If you don't believe me, check out the history of your 401k and you'll see a sharp rise based upon Internet business speculations. Don't think Clinton had anything to do with the invention of the Internet. That was your friend Al Gore.

winemaker,

We're not afraid of Herman Cain...it's worse than that. We're laughing at him......

Now get back to helping Lucy and Ethel stomp those grapes.

Did anyone ever say liberals were innocent? No one is talking about democrats. They were merely pointing out how blatantly obvious it is that Herman Cain does not give a @#$% about actual working Americans.

And you call the rich 'hard working'? I guess it would be hard work to own 5 mansions, 23 cars, 2 private jets and maids/servants to wipe your ass for you. Just because you have money, does not mean you work hard. Construction workers work hard. Try welding in 95 degree heat and 95% humidity. THAT is hard work... sitting behind a desk manipulating numbers for millions of dollars in compensation is basically stealing.

"Second, you keep stating that you're an attorney, but your grammar and imprecise use of language..."

Actually from what I've seen, that proves Spanky is an attorney. :)

There's a reason lawyers so painstakenly make the same point over and over, in plodding language that bores you to sleep before the turn of a page. Because not one of 'em can write worth a damn. If they don't stick to their occupational jargon, they're lost.

No Kirk it is not cheaper to settle if the claims are bogus, that high cost of litigation cuts both ways if they think the claims are bogus they make the women spend a fortune and lawyer up to try and prove her case. I have seen dozens of sexual harassment cases up close, they never settle unless they think they will lose, and or they want the ugly details kept secret, bogus claims are easily dispatched, with four little words, "take me to court". Your high cost of litigation argument is exactly why they don't settle false claims, nobody spends a fortune to try and collect on false claims, and a lawyer wont take it on a contingent basis unless he thinks he can make a good case. When they offer to settle, out of court and insist on a confidentiality agreement to boot they know they would have had to defend themselves from a good case.

Well NoObamafan, Meg Whitmann, that facebook kid, the yahoo guy, and many others will tell you the internet never stopped booming so what happened to GW Bushes economy and our budget surplus? You got anything else?

Maybe I have always dealt with contingency fee lawyers and we settled all the time and I signed the checks. I can give you real life examples. For example, we had a secretary accuse her boss of sexual harassment because she was tired of answering the phone from his wife and covering up that he was having an affair. We settled. Not sure what the actual legal liability might have been but it certainly was worth settling so I put that one in the legit category. We also settled with a woman who made both discrimination and harassment charges on a senior exec based on workplace environment because she had a sick husband to take care of and needed the time off. The claims were baseless based on everything we investigated but still settled for $25k because the cost of settling was about the cost of severance anyway. I could go on with tons of settlements we made that were false and frivilous that werent sexual harassment but discrimination because its so much cheaper as long as they are asking for $20k or less. Maybe your experience is different. That said I am not defending Cain, I just want to hear more before disparaging the guy. I would hope that I would be given that same courtesy.

Paul M in Wbridge,

Good one! But it depends on the attorney, doesn't it?

Based on her writing and clear-thinking, I'd hire Anna Molly in a nanosecond.

Spanky. . . ? I'd run in the other direction.

Jack, your first mistake is not hiring the one that gives you the best chance at winning. Just like in politics and life in general, writing and clear thinking doesnt translate into winning.

Why, how dare a black man from a poor background work hard and smart to become a billionaire.....uh, uh, wait a minute, that sounds a lot like what used to be called living the American dream, before left wing losers, incapable of achievement, demonized it.

Paul M:

There's a reason lawyers so painstakenly make the same point over and over, in plodding language that bores you to sleep before the turn of a page. Because not one of 'em can write worth a damn. If they don't stick to their occupational jargon, they're lost.

Dang. That's harsh.

Jack in Portsmouth:

Based on her writing and clear-thinking, I'd hire Anna Molly in a nanosecond.

Dang. That's sweet.

Kirk:

Jack, your first mistake is not hiring the one that gives you the best chance at winning. Just like in politics and life in general, writing and clear thinking doesnt translate into winning.

Dang. That's ignorant.

What's the matter, Kirk? No one accused you of good writing or clear thinking recently? LoL

For example, we had a secretary accuse her boss of sexual harassment because she was tired of answering the phone from his wife and covering up that he was having an affair. We settled. Not sure what the actual legal liability might have been but it certainly was worth settling so I put that one in the legit category.

Maybe not legitimate legal liability, but clearly worth settling, indeed. I certainly would never use this as a shining example of the bogus complaint, however.

We also settled with a woman who made both discrimination and harassment charges on a senior exec based on workplace environment because she had a sick husband to take care of and needed the time off.

Sounds like retaliation prohibited by ... let's say for instance ... the Family and Medical Leave Act, if the employer is large enough.

I hate to think that these are your idea of winning.

I wouldn't hold this one up as a shining example of a bogus claim, either.

Kirk you can never say a case was false and frivolous, if you paid a settlement, it has to go to litigation to prove that, settlements give legitimacy to claims that may have been false, now don't they. People want to believe that the top man will do whats right and not just what is cheap and easy, Cain lost that with the settlement, he is a millionaire, he could well afford to defend his his good name, he has compromised that forever with the settlement. He could have went to court and been found to be liable or innocent, he would not take that chance on himself but he wants me to take a chance at him being president. Ha not me, I don't put my faith in people that claim innocence but have no faith that they can prove it, I am not a millionaire like him, so my reputation and good name is the still the most valuable thing I own.

Yawn.

Why do you think he's running for President? It will make him richer, that's why.

He has no desire – and no chance – to be President of the US.

NBC News, good on them for disclosing this detail. Obviously Cain knows a thing or two about wealth generation and maximizing opportunity. Is he filthy rich? …….that depends on who you are and who he is being compared to.

NBC, don’t stop here! Let us see the “the money trail” of our President and other leading ‘Washington” personalities on the other side of politics and then, let’s have a debate.

So republicans only defense for Cain is the cost of litigation, it's not about right and wrong, guilt or innocence, it's about the cost, it's all about the dollars, ha now tell me something I did not already know.

Anna Molly - I honestly never would have guessed you are an attorney. I guess my observation must be expanded to allow for exceptions.

Hey, just caught over on the other, non-First Read part of MSNBC that a third woman is making allegations. That was faster than I was thinking would happen. I guess the RNC/Mitt campaign figures better to strike now.

Anyway, I don't see much chance of Cain surviving this. His opportunity was really threading a pretty tough needle, and as I believe we're seeing, it was a threading too easily blocked. So, looks like its Slick Willard.

Herman Cain may have money but he better watch that angry black man on display over these sexual misconduct charges. Ain't no surer way to disenchant white republicants than getting black man angry. Big turn off!

....................and "Pizza Boy" has both hands in the pockets of the ULTRA RIGHT WING KOCH Brothers!

He's just another abuse-of-power freak with his philandering ways. He's definitely a liar. He can't even keep his friggin story straight! He's HISTORY. You're done 'Pizza Boy.' Maybe you and Michele Bachmann could start a comedy club team and lie yourselves into a Reality TV series.

And here the real "magic" of 999:

At this income level, and with so much of Cain’s money wrapped up in the stock market, if his 9-9-9 plan were to go into effect, he would stand to greatly benefit. Cain’s plan would reduce the income tax rate to 9% and eliminate the capital gains and estate taxes

God bless America!

Anna Molly, at least you have some humor. I am not sure wanting to win is ignorant as I have practiced with many lawyers especially in litigation and especially when I clerked for the prosecutors office that were fantastic trial lawyers but certainly not the best writers. As for the family leave aspect of my example, she had already used that and we actually offered her a flex time arrangement along with a variety of other options. Sorry in that case, there was no factual basis for her claims at least in which we could find. If Anna, you practice in this area, you know that corporations dont mess around with this and open themselves up to valid claims. I am sure you are aware of plenty of frivolous claims in this area by contingency fee lawyers trying to get settlements. Dont make judgements on these examples without all the facts but I am sure you always think the worst of me being a fiscal conservative and all.

Forrest, I wish what you said was always true but it just isnt. There well could be valid claims with Cain, I am not saying there isnt but I dont think you can rush to judgement. Did you rush to judgement on potential fraud and bribery payoffs with the land sale by the Obama's to Tony Rezco? Seems sort of fishy dont you think? But I assume just like everyone else in the media, that without more you dont make that leap of judgement right?

Kirk I have seen plenty of sexual harassment claims, been involved on both sides for labor and management, I have never seen management roll over and pay false claims. Maybe it is a hidden benefit for a union employer, but people who make bogus claims just get fired, and when the claims are real they go to court or they settle out of court. I never met a business owner or an employee that wants to tell his wife he is accused of sexual harassment, but that there is really nothing to it, we are going to pay them, but I assure you the claims are false. Maybe if someone tries to claim an injury, but not sexual harassment, I am not jumping to conclusions, I have seen this over and over again. In any event it does not matter because my whole point is that the settlement allows anybody to draw or even jump to any conclusion they wish per the confidentiality agreement. Thats exactly what they pay for, so that instead of people knowing for sure they did something, they can always claim it was never proven, the other side of that coin is they can never prove it was false.

Oh just keep going MS - NBC you are doing a great job.

Zionist apartheid mentality is coming in loud and clear.

Good to see your true colors shining through and same the same old boring stooge rants.

Cain/Paul 2012

Whats the point of mentioning who is wealthy and who isn't? I'll tell you who is part of the 1% but wants to contribute more to society . . . Obama, Buffett, Moore, Damen, Winfrey, Stewart and on and on and on. Can't help but like these people if you are a Democrat or a Republican. Now who is that is part of the 1% but wants to contribute less to society . . . Cain, Paul, Romney, Perry, Gingrich, Limbaugh, O'Rielly, Kochs and on and on and on . . . 99% can't help but dislike these people. Who would Jesus hang out with? This is not a trick question.

Forrest, you could be right and again I am not defending Cain as much as the rush to judgement. Let me give you another example. A friend of mine who is general counsel at a public corp. At a previous job, a friend of his told his secretary she had a sexy voice (sight unseen)--nothing else and she never told my friend of the comment. Several months later she made a sexual harassment claim against my friend for his friend making the comment as promoting a workplace harassment environment. The company took it serious they hired a law firm and did an investigation and she admitted that her boss had never made any inappropriate comments and the basis for her claim was nothing more than that one comment. He was cleared and they terminated her employment but gave her $10k as a severance/settlement with a confidentiality clause. Do you think my friend should never run for office because this harassment claim could come up and based on all appearances he is guilty without more right?

AnaBanana--dont you think thats a very difficult question? My guess is that Jesus (at least as depicted in the new testament) would struggle with abortion. He probably would struggle with many of the social moral views of the democratic party so I dont think thats an easy answer do you? There have also been many studies that show that republicans donate to charity at a greater percentage in terms of cash. I think the same study shows that democrats value their time more. But most christians would seem themselves aligned with the GOP as a general but not absolute matter and they donate more. In addition, many in the GOP think that creating a entitlement environment in which people rely on government and its services rather than self reliance and personal accountability as doing more harm to the economically disadvantaged. As you know after 50 years of the War on Poverty and 16 trillion dollars later, the progressive programs of welfare, low income cluster housing and anything free has not reduced the level of poverty in this country. So although your answer is clear cut to you, its not to alot of people. If you ask my opinion, the Jesus in the bible would throw them all out and start over as none of them would be held in high esteem

The Cain clown is nothing more then a filthy rich, game rigging 'capitalist' pretending to be the ordinary working unemployed stiff now known as John Q. Public!

Please go to the opensecrets.org site and review the net worth of several of the members of the House and Senate. Take Nancy Pelosi for example. Read the required financial statements, then tell me how she can relate to John Q. Public.

Feisty hates fat cats unless they are leftist fat cats like Pelosi, Kerry, Soros, Bloomberg, Edwards, Obama, Kennedy, O'Donnell, Cloony, etc. Feisty, can you say "hypocrisy?"

Feisty, can you say "hypocrisy?"

Booby - can YOU say - don"t assume... cause we all know how well that works out for you right wing nuts! ;o)

Thanks for paying little dude! lmao!

PS; Little man - don't YOU ever put words in my mouth. Stand tall & proud on your record will ya? ;o))

When are the American people going to realize that all the Repugnants candidates are just the spawn of Satan?

Kirk I have no idea why they would give her ten grand when she admitted the claims were false, in my industry she would have been fired from the employer, she would have gotten a pink slip and nothing more. One incident never constitutes sexual harrassment anyway, once a women serves notice of unwelcome conduct it has to happen again or her to have a legal standing, I think these women are paid off to save somebody from being embarrased, because there is no reason to pay somebody who admittelty made a false claim, no good reason I can think of. Now that they settled with a confidentiality agreement people can draw their own conclusions rightly or wrongly now they have reduced it to he said she said, but she got paid so it seems now that her case had much more merit, thats how it is perceived fair or not. If he runs for a political office it may come back to bite him. I would never advise anybody to pay out on a bogus claim, it just don't make any sense to me. If I was invovled and I was innocent the last thing I would want is a confidentiality agreement, In fact I would want an agreement that makes sure it is a matter of record that the claims were false, and that I could openly discuss what a liar she was, and prove it with her own admission, I would want it posted in the damn newspaper if I could.

Herman Cain makes 2.4 Million and is the FILTHY RICH. I wonder what that makes Oprah?? She made OVER 300 MILLION!!! Where is the outrage???

Forrest..."my whole point is that the settlement allows anybody to draw or even jump to any conclusion they wish per the confidentiality agreement. Thats exactly what they pay for,.."

Not sure exactly what you mean, "Thats exactly what they pay for,.." that it "allows anybody to draw or even jump to any conclusion they wish"? Why would you pay for that?

In the '90's I had "sensitivity training" at the corporation where I worked. At the end, the men and women were separated. The woman training us men, an attorney/mediator, told us flat out to NEVER touch a woman. If she perceives it as a sexual advance, she can bring forth a case. We were also told to NEVER comment on a woman's appearance, clothing or perfume for the same reason.

I discussed this with my brother who is a real estate attorney. In the discussion, he described to me how real-estate and title companies get sued and often reach a settlement out of court. And it is most often based on a simple business decision. Is it less expensive to settle or fight it. If it's cheaper to settle, no brainer. Pay them the money and move on, even when you know they are dead wrong and don't have a case.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Feisty, can you say "hypocrisy?"

"Booby - can YOU say - don"t assume... cause we all know how well that works out for you right wing nuts! ;o)

Thanks for paying little dude! lmao!

PS; Little man - don't YOU ever put words in my mouth. Stand tall & proud on your record will ya? ;o))"

Feisty, thank you once again proving that you can't be consistent except in your name calling. Anytime you want to have a real debate about your inconsistencies, let me know. That should be fun. But since this is the first time you have ever responded to me and could only do it with name calling while not defending your distaste for fat cats, unless they are leftist fat cats, I doubt you will be up to the task until you learn the meaning of "hypocrisy" and understand how it applies to you.

Ok then, back to your name calling since that is all you can do.

Name some one who is not like that, and successful in business Jody.

You libbies seem to adore Jobs. Yet every product his company - one of, if not the, biggest corporation in the world made all of it's products in China.

So Jody, Jobs was supposedly a libbie. Apple sits on about $50 billion in CASH.

So how come he didn't make ipods here in the USA?

Jody?

New England Wire and Cable, Spanky. They value jobs, and quality products. Too bad they're fictional, from that Danny Devito movie.

There are many companies that still value workers. I just bought new livingroom furniture, made in the USA, by Norwalk, life-time guarantee on the frames. I would name more but then that reveals some personal information about me, my former employer in California and my current residence. There are many successful firms that still believe in American workers.

As for Apple, don't ask me Spanky, ask Apple. I don't own any of their products. I admired Steve Jobs' vision, his skill but one legacy he could have written for himself and Apple, he did not--bringing the jobs back to the USA and setting a new direction for American manufacturing.

Hypothetical campaign speech (cause you know TRUTH is not his forte)

Herman Cain to Ft Smith Arkansas : That's RIGHT! I own a MILLION DOLLAR hunk of the company that just laid you off! Now I want ALLLLL you lazy A$$ unemployed to go vote for 9-9-9 so I don't have to pay ANY taxes on the money I'm gonna make. If YOU DON"T HAVE A JOB, it's YOUR FAULT!!! I need that money I'm gonna make to INVEST in America cause I'm a JOB CREATOR. The companies I invest in are JOB CREATORS. You need to vote for ME or else you are just brainwashed and it's ALL YOUR FAULT if you are not rich!

Pretty much sum it up there Gramma

MkeMike -- You make important points often in your posts. I hope to see you posting on First Thoughts because you have a gift. ; )

Thanks, I'll try....but I do have a job. Two, in fact. Full time and part time.

I do like to stir the pot a bit....

He did not make them here Spanky because the factory in China were they work and live pays them $200 a month. When a few of the workers snapped and flung themselves out a window, they put up a safety net so any more suicides and suicide attempts could be avoided. Now when they dive out the windows they are caught by a net, then they are told "okay break-time is over get back inside and get to work".

@Spanky -- Check out Wrangler jeans in Hackleburg, AL. This is how a corporate citizen responds ...

http://www.whnt.com/news/shoals/whnt-decision-about-wrangler-plant-due-this-evening-20110801,0,5351852.story

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/economic-turnaround-jobs-sight-14830498?tab=9482930&section=1206853&playlist=14830812

Wrangler still manufactures some jeans in the US, too. Unfortunately they were bought by a global corporation (VF Corp. - headquartered in Greensboro, NC) so the Wrangler branding has been diluted. It is necessary to search a little but it is possible to find Wranglers with a Made in America label. A Made in America label is the only appropriate business attire ...

Some companies still make money the old fashioned way -- they earn it ...

Jody in Iowa, #3.3, What kind of coward are you that you can not list quality products made in the USA? It doesn't take your employer or Job Title to list that. LOL!

People, the AMERICAN bike is VICTORY, 95% American made. Harley's are a little over 50% if that.

The big story in this article is not that Hermain Cain contribute halve a million dollars worth of leadership to the Board of Directors for Whirlpool or any of the other companies. This is why America is goin broke.

Prior to the 1970, before afirmative action, Board of Directors were generally the major stock holders. They spent a weekend at Vega or Miami free and voted maybe once a quarter. When they started this diversification of the board, the members got ALL this money to sit on a board, much more than I believe they are worth.

The Board of Directors decide on the CEO's compensation and the CEO's have input on the board of directors. The stockholders vote is probably LESS meaningful than a RePug votin in Philly. LOL!

I figured this out when President Ford died. They stated he sat on 10 boards and made over a million a year in which he donated half, probably to cover taxes. What could some 90+ year ole codger contribute? Then look at how much Al Gore gits for sittin on Apple, I think it was something like 5 million, ya he's worth it. NOT! So this is not about political party, it's about the good ole boy/girl system that is killin us that no one will talk about. Look at the CEO of YAHOO. They kicked her out with 7 million? and she called them ALL mother F$ckers and c0cks$ckers ALL the way out being while being escorted out of the company. LOL!

I can't quote what the golden parachutes of da BANKSTERS were. Their so ridiculous I find it hard to believe that anyone could make that kind of money for bankrupting their company. LOL!

I have not heard of this. If true it certainly needs to be reported on. Any links we can have to read about it?

NYMike, I think it's another of those figments of FOX imagination--paint the 99%ers as criminals, evil, nasty folks. Whether it is welfare queens, the unemployed are stray dogs and drug addicts or OWS is a hotbed of rapists--it floats their conservative boat--fear of the 99%.

You guys are getting SO desperate...What's the fascination with trying to discredit OWS? i thought they were irrelevant?? (or have you been reading the polls that show about 70% of Americans agree with them?) When the Limbaugh charge of "communist infiltrators" didn't work...when the "violent instigators" charge didn't stick since so far the only one in the hospital landed there when police broke his skull (bad publicity to do that to a former marine)...now you try to claim they're a secret gang getting away with rape??? And who, by golly, would be "covering up"? All the women OWS protestors? The police who've been trying to get them to leave?? THe media trolling for endless stories about them??? You know, if you're going to try these ridiculous conspiracy charges on everything and anything you don't like, at least come up with something that makes sense. What's next: OWS..the REAL birther story!! They're all ILLEGAL ALIENS!!" Surely with all of your supposed support you can come up with something better than this?

Well, whether it's true or not, it's nice to know that if the OWS people are running around raping, we can buy them off for 5 figures as long as they promise not to talk about it publicly...

plus, it gives them deniability later on....

In an effort to deflect, Rob brings the term "rape" to the conversation.

Do you really want to use that term here, Rob? This article is about a man who lies about his sexual misconduct and has a history of, metaphorically, raping the middle class.

Are you simply irrelevant, Rob, or are you trying to link Herman Cain with the word "rape"?

Don't forget the OWS WMD and their links to Al Qaeda.

Accusations aren't worth the breath it takes to enunciate them. Got Proof?

By the way this is New York City we're talking about here. Not exactly small town low crime area. The OWS movements media coverage just draws attention to the normal weirdness of the city there, as well as attracting reporters that need something to write about. Would the NYT normally have a piece about a drunk taking a dump on a squad car? Not likely. Has it ever happened before? I'll bet it has, along with spittle, urine and who knows what else. It just doesn't get media coverage for right wing talking points ammo.

Of course, JFK. We all know how much the GOP loves minorities.

RGiles, excellent post.

Republicans have successfully taken God, abortion, patriotism, fear and harnessed them into a rallying cry that convinces voters that only those things matter. As a result, their voters no longer look beyond the social and cultural views. Hopefully, that is changing as the GOPTP has over-reached and shown their true hand--people see them defending tax breaks for big oil, coal and the 2% richest while cutting spending on programs for everyone else. One good thing the Tea Party has done is show clearly just how far right and extreme modern conservatism and the GOP really is.

JFK: When the alternative is the "let them eat cake" party...the d's don't have to "buy any votes"....sort of comes easily.

RGiles

Well written post. And I agree.

Then don't read or participate on its site if you hate it so much. Simple solution.

Then why do you keep coming here, alan numbers? I'm sure there are plenty of sites willing to post what people want to read rather than what they should read.

I just don't know. Ask your buddies at Fake News.

Care to elaborate? FOX has not stopped attacking Obama, so why should MSNBC stop "whipping" Cain?

It is rather disturbing though that you chose a slave reference in your post.

Who am I kidding. I have never seen you defend any of your posts.

If you weren't quite as ignorant as you appear by your statement, you would know that Cain had never claimed to be a part of the "democrat plantation". Can't stray from something you weren't in the first place.

she is one of those uneducated idiots that think 19th century democrats were liberal and repubs were conservative......she has no knowledge of the switch in ideology platform of 1950s. We all know that Lincoln was the stauch conservative; and southern slave holders were the progressives....ha ha idiot

Madison, now that's a unique point of view--oh, wait, I think that's FOX, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh's line. As gpotts points out, study your history, do some research. Come to think of it, I've told you that many times.

I've heard the term "democrat plantation" several times but have yet to hear what that means. Madison, could you help with that or are you just repeating something you heard without knowing what it means?

Madison: So your argument is the media should participate in keeping the sex harrassment charges quiet and not report on the source of his finances because.....he's Black?? Well now isn't that an interesting and highly unique argument for a conservative Republican to be making. how's that working for ya?

Are you really playing the race card, Madison? Really???

Don't forget his book sales.

JW

You really need to look at the news more often. Try Google. There is a ton of info on President Obama, including his grades.

JW are you kidding? Obama is the most vetted man in the history of the world... I am sure harvard is in collusion with muslims to conspire for a new world order with it's capital in kenya.

I just googled Obama Harvard grades and came up with very little. I did, however, say that he graduated from Columbia without honors, which means he had less than a 3.3 GPA. This is a bit tricky though, because he got into Harvard Law College, which typically requires a better than 3.9 GPA. I'm not saying that I'm interested in knowing his scores, but don't say that there is information out there that is not. It's not out there for only one reason, he has not released it.

You are obviously not very good at using google. There IS a ton of stuff on his GPA, on his time at the head of the Harvard law review, on his law professorship. Where have you been?? Did you miss the entire election campaign? But your point is what exactly? Did you vote for GW? The C student? Did GW "open his record" of lousy grades? Really, open a window or something...get a hobby...

GSSPOT: Try Unvetted- if he was vetted by the Press Hillory would have kicked his rear. If the lamestream Press gave even 10% of the scritiny that they have for the republican candidates, we wouldn't have needed Trump to force the bith certificate issue. The Press has miserably failed by only investigating one side.

Finally, someone is getting to the truth! Cain ain't all that as he seems to think when it comes to his trackrecord as a fair to middling business manager and a high paid lobbyist. I mean really, here is a guy who thinks something is devious with being vetted during a Presidential Campaign. Where has he been for the last 40 years? I guess he wasn't "aware" of the process. But I hope he gets through it because I can't think of a better contrast to President Obama's informed and considerate methods. But I fear we must get on to vetting Mr. Romney instead....time to retreat to the Board Rooms, if you can recall where they are, Mr. Cain, your campaign is laughable at best.

The story you posted boils down to people not being able to afford new appliances because the economy is bad. It is a tragedy when so many workers are laid off, but it is better than the entire company going-under. A large reason our economy is so bad is our national deficit. Our deficit is large due to entitlements.

Republicans have it right when they say we all need to pay less taxes, we just need to spend less money as well. Democrats say more taxes, but that's not to spend down the national debt; they want to increase taxes so they can increase spending.

Regurgitating the mantra of the right won't create jobs. The deficit will be reduced by people having a job and paying taxes.Making a teacher, policeman,firefighter, or DOT clerk pay more for thier insurance may feel good but remember they won't be buying that new washer and dryer this year. That is where JOBS originate. Getting rid of more highly paid workers and replacing them with lower pay and less benefits may sound good for the bottom line but those workers won't have the disposable income to build that new patio. That is where JOBS originate. Turn off Rush and have a glass of iced tea. Set back and contemplate reality for a day or two.You're Welcome.

Yep, Cain is history...people that have nothing to hide, hide nothing! Isn't that right KockCain...hahahahahahahahahahaha