And it just never stops. While being away from the board for awhile nothing has really changed. We now have a republican candidate Mr. Cain that appears to have been involved in a sexual misadventure. First he claims no knowledge, then claims there never was a settlement both have since turned out to be false statements. The continuous contempt that the right has for women’s rights continues.

Rummy appears to have his fingers in the cookie jar again. See exclusive from ThinkProgress below.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/01/316040/romney-solamere-ponzi/

“Mitt Romney, his son Tagg, and Romney’s chief fundraiser, Spencer Zwick, have extensive financial and political ties to three men who allegedly participated in an $8.5 billion Ponzi scheme. A few months after the Ponzi scheme collapsed, a firm financed by Mitt Romney and run by his son and chief fundraiser partnered with the three men and created a new “wealth management business” as a subsidiary”.

“In an exclusive interview with ThinkProgress, Tagg Romney confirmed their business relationship, but falsely claimed that the men were cleared of any wrongdoing associated with the Ponzi scheme. Tagg Romney told ThinkProgress that his three partners collected about $15,000 from their involvement in the Ponzi scheme. Court documents obtained by ThinkProgress show that the legal proceedings are ongoing and the men made over $1.6 million selling fraudulent CDs to investors”.

And Perry still proves to be incompetent and a liar about his record.

Coming soon the “Impotent Super Committee” will prove to be as impotent as the current Congress. There will be no settlement on controlling the Debt/Deficit. President Obama offers a $3Trillion Deal, about three times what is required from the Committee. The TP/GOP “Obstructionists” vote it down. Why, because is raises revenues by making the richest 2% pay their fair share. This comes on the heals of a report that indicates that the top 2% continue to do better than the 98% of the population in terms of wealth, income and power. New record highs in the economic divide have been recorded.

Still not one real Jobs Bill from the right. They all are nothing more than DRACONIAN cuts in spending that costs jobs, does not create jobs. Reduces regulations and give huge tax cuts to the top 2%. They are still trying to repeal Medicare and Medicaid and totally destroy Social Security. They are still trying to gut education, medical research, FEMA, FDA, Law Enforcement, Teachers, and Fire Fighters etc.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/27/355181/report-house-gops-budget-cuts-370k-jobs/

“House Republicans took the government to the brink of shutdown last spring by demanding across-the-board budget cuts to many vital programs. Instead of focusing on job creation, as Americans wanted them to, the GOP turned its attention to slashing funds for programs that funded assistance for women and children, local law enforcement, the social safety net, environmental protections, and many other programs they deemed as either too expensive or unnecessary. Worse, when challenged on why they hadn’t made the effort to tackle high unemployment, Republicans insisted that their slash-and-burn budget cuts were meant to create jobs”.

“Not all of those cuts made it through, but the GOP succeeded in passing massive spending reductions as part of a continuing resolution that kept the government operating. According to a new report from the Center for American Progress’ Scott Lilly, those cuts didn’t result in the job creating boon Republicans insisted would follow. Instead, it has done just the opposite, as those cuts will result in the destruction of roughly 370,000 jobs”.

People it is the same old same old. The TP/GOP is as lost today as they were several months ago. Even more so.

Do not be surprised if Mr. Cain appoints “Wendy” as his running mate in 2012.

Sad, so sad – We Americans deserve better than this bunch of incompetent liars and frauds. If elected this country will cease to exist as we know it and Democracy will be nothing more than a footnote in some history book, probably written by the TP/GOP to begin with. The handwriting is on the wall people. Wake up.

President Obama in 2012 by a landslide.

exactly,

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Let her speak!

Absoutely, let her speak

Herman Cain told his side and breached the confidentiality. The lady should tell her side. It's not about what he did to her it's that he is a liar, has no idea about governmental procedures, and is a blatant liar not fit to run this country.

Herman Cain is a liar and possibly a criminal for violating FCC TAX LAWs. Republicans always want to have Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuted. I say expose this fraud, Herman KochCain and if guilty prosecute him. Cain is a front for the Koch Brothers, the filthiest human beings on the planet.

Can you hear the sound of the squeaky handles and keys locking the jail door on Cain?

http://www.partnersinrhyme.com/soundfx/door_sounds/door_door-knob_wav.shtml

Words Matter

Why did the Republican/Tea Potty waste time and tax dollars voting on an "In God We Trust"?

The House voted last night on a bill that would solidify the words "In God We Trust" as the nation's motto, and would support and encourage "the public display of the national motto in all public buildings, public schools, and other government institutions."

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/11/01/house-will-finally-vote-to-create-jobs-tonight

Oh the ignominy of the baggers and GOP? How many J-O-B-S will a phrase create?

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REPORT: House GOP’s ‘Job Creating’ Spending Cuts Destroyed 370,000 Jobs
House Republicans took the government to the brink of shutdown last spring by demanding across-the-board budget cuts to many vital programs. Instead of focusing on job creation, as Americans wanted them to, the GOP turned its attention to slashing funds for programs that funded assistance for women and children, local law enforcement, the social safety net, environmental protections, and many other programs they deemed as either too expensive or unnecessary. Worse, when challenged on why they hadn’t made the effort to tackle high unemployment, Republicans insisted that their slash-and-burn budget cuts were meant to create jobs.

Not all of those cuts made it through, but the GOP succeeded in passing massive spending reductions as part of a continuing resolution that kept the government operating. According to a new report from the Center for American Progress’ Scott Lilly, those cuts didn’t result in the job creating boon Republicans insisted would follow. Instead, it has done just the opposite, as those cuts will result in the destruction of roughly 370,000 jobs.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/27/355181/report-house-gops-budget-cuts-370k-jobs/

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What else can one say about this stalling, lying, obstustionist, hypocritcs besides words mean nothing to them and the the Tea Potty?

One thing, for sure as Rev Al said last night you can not trust the GOP. The Tea Potty will flush anything that deals with J-O-B-S and democracy.

Real Americans don't do that.

"In God we trust" - Not just a motto. For Congressmen, it's a bright, shiny object; a distraction to deflect our attention from the fact that they are mired in negligence, cowardice, and stunning incompetence. If there's one thing on which Democratic and Republican Congressmen can agree, it is the fact that they don't have the guts to do their job. So we get a flash and trash magic show. Hallelujah, brothers and sisters!

For legal scholars, and all those noisy types who claim to honor the foundation of this country, it's an attack on the U.S. Constitution. The very first amendment to that Constitution clearly states, "Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion...."

For many it's news. Atheists and adherents of Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism have no god. "In God we trust." Who knew? Agnostics aren't sure there's a god, and members of the Church of Scientology can pick and choose.

For those who have chosen a religion it raises the question, "Which God?" Jews most certainly do not worship the same God as another famous Jew, Jesus the Christ. The God of the Hebrews was jealous and vindictive. The God of Jesus, and his followers, was pretty nice. The God of Islam, well, He's great. For those in the know, this is the same God, but the worshipers can't seem to come to agreement on who or what He is. For that matter, countless Christian sects can't seem to agree on who or what this God being is.

For polytheists, it's confusing. They have lots of gods. Pagans and Wiccans don't have that organization thing going on too much, so they're all over the place on the God thing.

For folks with a philosophical bent, it is a distillation of irony. It's stamped on our money, which many might argue is America's true god.

For me, it perfectly explains the sad state of our nation. Our bedrock, the foundation of our laws is crystal clear, "Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion......" If Congress, if this nation's citizens cannot understand the meaning of "NO", can we expect agreement on anything? Apparently we can. The majority of Americans agree that NO does not mean NO.

Feisty, Bev:

How true. Just another example of the new TP/GOP position on the rights of Women. They really do think of Women as second class citizens that should not be allowed to have a say over their own bodies, they do not have the rights of equal pay for equal work and the list goes on.

What I want to know is why do women support such DRACONIAN ideology toward women from the right??

These people are on record for being anti women's rights, anti gay, they are religious intolerant, they support Wall Street over Main Street, Big Business over Small Business and the 2% over the 98% and the list goes on.

President Obama 2012

News Item:

“WASHINGTON — Four Georgia men in their 60s and 70s were arrested Tuesday, accused of being members of a right-wing militia group that plotted to attack federal office buildings and to disperse a deadly biological poison in Atlanta. “

A WHAT wing group? A RIGHT wing group?? Boy, I sure hope we can rein in all these dangerous, drum-playing OWS radicals!

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

Rummy appears to have his fingers in the cookie jar again. See exclusive from ThinkProgress below.

Hi Navy, that is so comical calling him Rummey. This pic proves it though...

http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/romneybainbros.jpg

Mitt Romney and his colleagues at Bain Capital had an interesting relationship with money. Michael Scherer at Time dug it up (via Gawker).

Look at them, hugging and eating and rubbing and sucking their corporate-raider money. At least Romney had enough sense not to stuff it in his collar like that one guy, instead choosing to simply grab on to the right end of a bill while smiling, devilishly. Oh, and then there’s some money falling out of his coat. Oops! __________________

I'm no Herman Cain fan so I would like to congratulate Politico on their investigative reporting success.

It's truly amazing that they can find these claims after 15 years but couldn't discover that John Edwards had a mistress and a child by the mistress until after he dropped out of politics.

Again, I'm no conspiracy theorist but it does make you wonder exactly how much they dug into the background of the Democratic field in 2008 (apart from Hillary because we all know they hated her husband).

Boy what a collection of losers the GOP has put together as candidate's for President of our Nation. Not one of them has the skills or ability to run this Nation. Each is flawed, some more than others.

I get the impression that they will eventually eat their own.

Obama in 2012.

Cain declares that race has played a role in this story

Yeah, isn't that always the way.

That's what Anthony Weiner said, too, and John Edwards, and John Ensign, and Chris Lee ....

You know those women -- first they accuse you of harassment, and then they rob you of your Social Security by making you die earlier.

It's a tough world out there, we're sure.

We'd probably have more sympathy, too, except for the fact that Herman Cain has always claimed that racism has never affected him.

If you're not rich, blame yourself.

Exactly. And if you're the target of harassment claims, blame yourself.

California Tom:

I get the impression that they will eventually eat their own.

A visual image I could definitely do without. LoL

drive-by-observer:

Militia men? Dude, those guys were just exercising their second-amendment rights. As members of the militia, they are veterans.

No exercising for me this morning. All that stretching has got me limbered up. NRA forever. Guns, ricin, whatever for our militia. Nothing is too good for our veterans.

The big question I have, is why is this guy, Herman Cain, even being considered as a candidate, much less a possible nominee? It has been obvious from the get go that there is very little substance to him. Yet he appeals to the Tea Party who have him polling at the top of the list. It really tells us more about conservatives and their ideology, they are not interested in having a President who knows something of the world and how it works.

In the midst of all the brouhaha over sexual harassment, and what he remembers or what he said or didn't say, the fact is, this guy knows absolutely nothing about foreign policy or other countries and really is not qualified to be considered for the job. His only motive in being in the mix, he wanted to sell his book.

His latest gaffe being, he didn't know that China was a nuclear power, bet he couldn't find China on a map. This is a classic case of conservatives embracing ignorance, they have no clue how the Presidency works or what is really required to be a President and Commander in Chief, only that he/she be ideologically pure.

Are conservatives that stupid?

Are conservatives that stupid?

That would be a resounding... UH HUH! ;o)

its wonderful how many liberals Mitt is able to get to work for him, without even paying them.

pretty shrewd.

TEA

Barack Hussein Obama has been in office for almost three years, yet this very same press that is all over the Cain ‘story’ cannot find:

Any of his childhood friends or neighbors; or find any of Obama's Punahou high school or Occidental/Columbia college classmates; Or find any previous girlfriends prior to Michelle; Or locate any of his college photos, papers or grades; Or determine whether he attended Occidental or Columbia as an American citizen or Indonesian, British or Kenyan exchange student (all of which he could have claimed);
Or determine how he paid for an Occidental, Columbia & Harvard education; Or discover which country issued his visa to travel to Pakistan in the 1980's; Or even find Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis on racism.
They just can't seem to uncover any of this. Yet, the public still trusts that same media to give them the whole truth today. But they can do their best with Cain's situation!

Not to worry though, this same media cabal has already begun to thoroughly investigate and report every detail of the lives and careers of Cain and all other possible candidates who might challenge the president in the 2012 election.

Simply amazing, isn't it?

Alan, NJ:

Politico refuses to reveal its sources. However, since the settlements - and there may be others beyond what we already know - are closed, there is only a small group of folks who could know.

My bet is that the source is Republican. It reeks of Rove and his acolytes. Unless and until you've actually been involved in these dogfights, you can't imagine the resources that are brought into play to find dirt on opponents.

Cain isn't even junior varsity. He's playing with the pros, and that's a very rough game. He's done.

Ben, where have you been? All that was printed and published in 2007/8. Google it. You are being a jackass.

Four Georgia men in their 60s and 70s were arrested Tuesday, accused of being members of a right-wing militia group that plotted to attack federal office buildings and to disperse a deadly biological poison in Atlanta. “

LoL Didn't they make a movie about this called "The Over-the-Hill Gang," or something?

But seriously, by the time Fox is done spinning this, it will turn out to be the fault of OWS for making these guys so (justifiably) angry that they had no other choice but to exercise their Second Amendment remedies and blow up and poison a whole southern city that probably votes consistently Republican.

It makes PERFECT sense to me.

It is amazing. First Read's alleged journalists are little more than White House flaks. They may as well hire Feisity to do the hit pieces, she is about as objective as the rest of MSNBC.

Way to start the day, Navy, Beverly, David Walker, Feisty, Anna Molly, Gingerbread Mamma!

Ben, seriously? That nonsense has been debunked so often as to be written in stone. What is amazing is that someone actually repeats it here.

Bob, everyone can tell by the fact that FRR, et all are almost always the first to post, that they obviously work for MSDNC.

silly libs, they dont think we know that!

TEA

drive-by-observer

News Item:

“WASHINGTON — Four Georgia men in their 60s and 70s were arrested Tuesday, accused of being members of a right-wing militia group that plotted to attack federal office buildings and to disperse a deadly biological poison in Atlanta. “

A WHAT wing group? A RIGHT wing group?? Boy, I sure hope we can rein in all these dangerous, drum-playing OWS radicals!

They are emboldened by the FOX NOISE LYING ECHO PROPAGANDA CHAMBER.

Remember the stolen teleprompter incident? Well, it was more to it.

Gas Can Discovered On Obama Motorcade
Route

MILLERS CREEK, N.C. (AP) — Authorities say a bomb squad disposed of a gasoline can at an intersection where President Barack Obama’s motorcade passed in northwest North Carolina.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/18/gas_can_discovered_on_obama_motorcade_route/singleton/

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Then there is this one which is Not At All Funny

I don’t recall a Democratic email depicting George Bush with a bullet hole in his head. There was an array of chimps (which, contrary to our RWNJ trolls, were not racist since Bush is, you know, white), and some Alfred E. Newmans, even tasteless Hitler mustaches, but I don’t remember violent references or images making the rounds.

But when it comes to President Obama, there has been report after report, Facebook page after Facebook page, email after email that display appallingly offensive graphics, and even a poll about killing the president.

Please refer to this post the next time some conservative denies that their party uses violent imagery.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/10/31/virginia-gop-halloween-e-mail-shows-president-obama-with-bullet-hole-through-his-head/...

David Walker

"In God we trust" - Not just a motto. For Congressmen, it's a bright, shiny object; a distraction to deflect our attention from the fact that they are mired in negligence, cowardice, and stunning incompetence.

Whenever I hear about Republicans "defending" that motto to make themselves appear holier-than-thou, it always reminds me of a joke made by a cynic I knew back when I was in grammar school. He took a dollar bill and right under "In God We Trust" he wrote on it "All Others Pay Cash." Turns out that is the REAL Republican motto.

Putting the sexual harassment claims aside (no disrespect, but just for the sake of my point)

Cain was given a heads up by Politico 10 days prior to the story breaking and during that time he was unable to "recall" the allegations.

Yet the day the story breaks he starts the day having no recollection of any detail and by the evening he "remembers" quite a bit of what happens.

-I dont know about you, but I think if I was ever accused of sexual harassment not once but twice I would be able to give you the basic of what happened (even if it happened 12 whole YEARS ago!!)

Its not the allegation its the cover up and lying Koch-Cain

-yeah yeah democrats lie too but any of you teabaggers that rally about them have to say the same about Cain or your HYPOCRITES

Ben-636050

Barack Hussein Obama has been in office for almost three years, yet this very same press that is all over the Cain ‘story’ cannot find:

Any of his childhood friends or neighbors; or find any of Obama's Punahou high school or Occidental/Columbia college classmates; Or find any previous girlfriends prior to Michelle; Or locate any of his college photos, papers or grades; Or determine whether he attended Occidental or Columbia as an American citizen or Indonesian, British or Kenyan exchange student (all of which he could have claimed);
Or determine how he paid for an Occidental, Columbia & Harvard education; Or discover which country issued his visa to travel to Pakistan in the 1980's; Or even find Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis on racism.
They just can't seem to uncover any of this. Yet, the public still trusts that same media to give them the whole truth today. But they can do their best with Cain's situation!

Yes- we see the similarities. Obama's oll neighborhood pals and school chums had filed a sex-harassment charge against him. And of course, Michelle's thesis is extremely relevant to the Cain accusations. and those old college photos! How scandalous!!

Ben- you get your hands of whatever Perry was smoking the other day?? Shoot- all that's missing this morning is an 'I hate Obama" post from Smiff and Co.

@David

As I said I think Cain is a joke as a candidate. I've had enough of "non-politicians" running for office. Let the professionals screw up. However, Cains political liabilities aside, I stand by comments that so-called reporters can dig this scandal up from 15 years ago but couldn't discover the "dirt" on John Edwards as they followed him around.

The way I see it, every time a Democrat brings up how unqualified Sarah Palin was for VP, and she was, a Republican can simply point a finger at how unqualified John Edwards was in 2004. The only difference was that John Edwards was not investigated to same degree as Sarah Palin. You show some evidence that teams of reporters were sent to North Carolina to sift through his past. You think Rielle Hunter was his only affair, or the only affair reported? You think his shifting of contributions for other purposes only occurred in 2008?

What I see is a blatant double standard.

FOX-IFCATION IS Lethal to its MORONS. The poll is correct about them.

Breaking? Study Finds Fox News Viewers Are The Most Misinformed

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/breaking-study-finds-fox-news-viewers-are-the-most-misinformed.php

Might I add most stupid!!

SO libbies - how does this whole Dodd-Frank thing-y work?

You you the new financial regulations that are suppose to prevent fraud, risky investments and market meltdowns.

Yet despite this super important law created by the big brains behind Frannie and Freedie, John COrzine was able to leverage risky investments in Italian bonds [I know right ?] 40:1.

So where were the regulators? Why did Dodd-Frank prevent this debackle?

Or is it the regulators only regulate eeevvviiilll republicans?

Could it be that they looked the other way while a big Obama supported raped and pillaged a 200 year old company and its investors?

I can't wait to see what the fine reporters here have to say about this highly political issue.

We got massive democrat, crony fraud that made a pure mockery out of Frank Dodd, something so near and dear the libbie heart.

Wait, what's that? There will be nothing here, only Cain, Bachmann and Iowa?

But of course.

Yay! Navy is back! That ought to drive the right wing conspiracy theorists that post here CRAZY!

David Walker's post on "in God we trust is important." If you are not capable of understanding it, have someone explain it to you.

It offends me to my very soul that the "teabaggers" are making a run at the First Amendment, trying to destroy those protections that the Founders, especially Jefferson and Madison deemed so important that it is in the First Amendment. Those of you who don't get this need to reflect on this, that is, if you are capable of that kind of introspection. Why did Madison and the other Founders contain those protections First? Could it be that they maybe considered it of great importance?

The hypocrite "teabaggers" said that any law that they wrote would have to be measured against the Constitution. When will they figure out that this cannot pass Constitutional muster? All of you who support this are the antithesis of patriot.

Here is what we know for sure: for the "teabaggers" and the rest of the miscreants who had a part in this, the Constitution only includes the Second Amendment. If it isn't about guns, it doesn't matter.

We have come to a very pretty pass in this country.

Alan, NJ

I'm no Herman Cain fan so I would like to congratulate Politico on their investigative reporting success.

It's truly amazing that they can find these claims after 15 years but couldn't discover that John Edwards had a mistress and a child by the mistress until after he dropped out of politics.

If someone had leaked information to the press on Edwards, they certainly would have reported it. That kind of stuff is catnip to the media. The reason that the story on Cain came out is because someone leaked the information to Politico. Now, who do you suppose would leak a story like that? Hint: It wasn't the Obama campaign, which would like nothing better to run against a nut case like Cain with his electrocution fences and 9-9-9 numerology. Here's another hint: It was most likely someone supporting one of the other Republican presidential candidate, who wanted to take Cain, the front runner and flavor-of-the-month, down a notch.

@Bev

I don’t recall a Democratic email depicting George Bush with a bullet hole in his head.

Neither do I. I do remember they made a movie "Death of a President" in 2007, which depicted the assassination of George W. Bush. perhaps you would like comment on how you would react to such a movie with Barack Obama as the subject?

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/01/AR2006090100858.html

Newday:

Here is what we know for sure: for the "teabaggers" and the rest of the miscreants who had a part in this, the Constitution only includes the Second Amendment. If it isn't about guns, it doesn't matter.

Not even the entire Second Amendment matters. The gun notes don't like that part about "a well-regulated militia" being the reason for the Second Amendment's existence.

@Houston!

If someone had leaked information to the press on Edwards, they certainly would have reported it.

You would think so but that's not what happened. The affair is documented in the book "Game Change" and the authors knew about it but kept under wraps for their book. They either thought it was better for them to sit on the information to boost sales later, or maybe they just sat on it.

nymag.com/news/politics/63045/

Isn't it funny, Houston, how the gun nuts ignore the well-regulated militia phrase in that Amendment?

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

Yay! Navy is back! That ought to drive the right wing conspiracy theorists that post here CRAZY!

Good morning newday, They are already CRAZY.

@Alan, NJ

I'm no Herman Cain fan so I would like to congratulate Politico on their investigative reporting success.

Alan, I think you have the wrong culprit. Try Karl Rove. I'd put my money on turd blossom. Here's why...

Karl Rove stuck a fork in Cain

The Republican super-strategist pulls out a whiteboard on Fox News to tick off Herman Cain's self-destructive mistakes, concluding: "I think it has created an image of him as not being up to this task. That’s really deadly."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66698.html#ixzz1cZ7i5rQp

"A steady drip of questions and developments"

___________________________________________________________________________________________

That REALLY means a "HIGH TECH LYNCHING" by the lefitst MSM

Alan, NJ

@Bev

I don’t recall a Democratic email depicting George Bush with a bullet hole in his head.

Neither do I. I do remember they made a movie "Death of a President" in 2007, which depicted the assassination of George W. Bush. perhaps you would like comment on how you would react to such a movie with Barack Obama as the subject?

I don't recall any Democratic party officials being involved in making or promoting that Bush movie. Republican Party officials have REPEATEDLY been caught sending around hateful and often racist emails about President Obama. Are you deliberately missing that point or are you just dimwitted?

Alan, NJ.

That's an interesting point. Was Edwards protected by the main stream press? I remember First Read didn't touch the story until the Enquirer printed pictures. I wondered at the time what the discussion was in the newsroom on whether to run the story without proof.

It's easy to confirm a candidate was accused of harrassment in the workplace, so there was less of a conflict over reporting Cain's problem. When I first heard the news about Edwards, I didn't want to believe it, but my gut told me, good looking politician, of course he cheated. In Cain's case, there is no doubt two women accused him, it's just a question of how serious their complaints were.

Who, exactly, dug up Cain's prior problems with sexual harrassment claims against him? It is my contention the establishment Republicans are kneecapping Cain as polling shows President Obama beating him by greater percentages than he beats Romney. It would be interesting to know which opperative tipped off Politico.

I don't recall any Democratic party officials being involved in making or promoting that Bush movie.

Actually is was a mockumentary made by BRITISH FILMMAKERS...

And widely criticized by BOTH parties!

Alan conveniently left that part out...

Wingers have a tendency to pick & chose...

Are you deliberately missing that point or are you just dimwitted?

One more time... UH HUH! ;o)

Quinnipiac Poll: Obama Shows Marked Improvement

Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

A new national poll out from Quinnipiac University shows an improving picture for President Obama, who has boosted his standing on a number of fronts. His approval rating runs almost even nationally, up from a negative 41 – 55 split a month ago, and he is stronger in matchups with all his major GOP rivals.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/11/02/quinnipiac-poll-obama-shows-marked-improvement/

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Of course, we already knew the President is stronger in matchups with all his major GOP rivals. :)

navy,

2% pay their fair share

When does it stop with you folks, first it was the 1%ers, now it is 2% don't pay. How about you all get the 46-50% that don't pay to pay their fair share?

That is the problem with you all, you expect everyone else to pay.

Always your answer is to make those who have pay more, while letting more and more get away with nothing, to bad you all don't have any personal responsibility, especially since the government will take care of you. It is sad that our country has come to the point where we need the government to take care of everything, because many of you don't have the "Heart" to take care of yourselves.

Besides, maybe you should look at the real numbers, those people already pay for more than 50% of the money that goes into the federal government, maybe if you are so inclined, you should donate a little more to the IRS.

SSDD

Feisty

Wingers have a tendency to pick & chose

You forgot LIE, Feisty

I still have a little running around to do. I'll stay on line as long as I can in order to correct the RWNJ lies. Hopefully, it will clear up the confusion for those searching for the truth.

I will call you tonight before 9:00 PM

I'm really not interested in convincing you rightwingdings that the Cain story is not the result of a "liberal" media conspiracy. Heck, I don't care if you believe Barack Obama and his "Chicago-style politics" is behind it all. Just continue believing that nonsense. You go right ahead and ignore the facts (something you do so well). Go and vote for Herman Cain in the primaries and make him your nominee for president. That will sure show all the mean liberals a thing or two. And it will sure fix Obama's little red wagon, too, when he has to campaign against Mr. 9-9-9 and his terrific plans to raise taxes on the middle class and electrocute illegal aliens and keep Muslims from building mosques.

I'll have to say that the majority of the posts on this forum are humorously offensive.

Calling Fox News viewers stupid and mis-informed is the pot-kettle syndrome since Fox is a right wing news site and MSNBC is a left wing news site. (Where's the Jon Corvine story here?)

Going rabid over the right wing militia story is the same thing. Or are we going to forget that most assasins through out our history have been Democrats? Or that most voter fraud is committed by the left?

Dragging Koch into this whole mess, what about Soros and his dirty laundry?

I'm not taking sides in this whole Cain thing, because I honestly don't believe that we'll ever hear the true story. Cain will deny to save his campaign, and if the ladies are allowed to talk, they'll be on the defensive so they'll embellish. Also, when it comes down to it, what politician hasn't had an issue with some sort of sexual harrassment in their past. I'm sure if someone digs deep enough, they'll find something on pretty much all of them. So in the end, it's moot point. Not that I agree with sexual harrassment in the least, nor am I defending Cain. I just find this a distraction from the campaign of finding a suitable candidate for presidancy.

It's too bad that some of the citizens of this country let the politicians and media feed the political party divide that is bringing this country down.

Instead of rabidly pre-judging either side when the facts aren't even close to being known, why don't people try to work with what they do know, and bring this country back to where it should be?

Each side has dirty laundry, neither side is innocent, so don't act so pure like your feces doesn't stink too.

You forgot LIARS, Feisty

You're right GF!

I will call you tonight before 9:00 PM

I'll be waiting... *hugs*

If someone had leaked information to the press on Edwards, they certainly would have reported it.

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A screw-up like this really highlights a lot of things that are wrong with traditional journalism. One of them is a virulent "not invented here" mentality that automatically dismisses stories from other sources, particularly non-traditional sources. Yeah, the National Enquirer isn't The New York Times. But its reporting was solid and deserved more than the perfunctory followup that it seemed to get from the rest of the press. But almost nobody in the traditional media would touch the story–indeed, the Los Angeles Times even forbade its bloggers from mentioning it!

http://recoveringjournalist.typepad.com/recovering_journalist/2008/08/the-john-edwards-affair.html

The allegations, initially published in late 2007, were denied by both Edwards and Hunter. Andrew Young, a member of Edwards' campaign team, claimed paternity of Hunter's daughter; although no father is listed on the child's birth certificate and Young has subsequently denied it. The Enquirer's claims received little attention outside the tabloid press and political blogosphere until July 2008, when several mainstream media news outlets cited them in relation to Edwards' future political career, and his chances of being selected as a running mate in Barack Obama's 2008 presidential bid.

On August 7, 2008, Edwards admitted to ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff that he did have an extended affair with Hunter, but denied he was the father of Hunter's baby girl.^[4] Hunter's sister claimed that Edwards was the father, and publicly asked Edwards to take a paternity test to determine whether the child was his.^[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards_extramarital_affair

For instance, the Enquirer broke the story of Sen. John Edwards' affair nearly a year before Edwards, John Kerry's running mate in 2004, admitted he had cheated on his wife. Mainstream news orgs were left to play catch-up on a story they had mistakenly ignored.

http://journalism.about.com/b/2009/11/30/tiger-woods-allegations-raise-the-question-when-should-news-outlets-report-on-supermarket-tabloid-stories.htm

” AIG makes $972 million TARP repayment” “So far Treasury has gotten back 317 billion which represents nearly a 77 percent return out of the total $413 billion disbursed through TARP,

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AIG-makes-972-million-TARP-rb-1152169522.html?x=0

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In contrast to the Tea Potty, President Obama Stands With The American People Against Corporate Money In Politics!

http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/10/31/president-obama-stands-with-the-american-people-against-corporate-money-in-politics/

Unlike *Some* People (RWNJs) this is a BFD. OWS made Bank of America back off. Fox-ites run and tell that.

And widely criticized by BOTH parties!

Want to dig some up? All I can find is a comment that the idea of "President Cheney" scares me.

Google search on 'democrats criticize "Death of a President"' produced no hits, however, I did find a reference to Senator Clinton criticizing the film.

David,

Exactly my friend, correct on all points. Well, maybe not about the ricin for the militia :-). I know, you're kidding right? Right? uh, David?

But seriously folks I think we can all say a fond farewell to Mr. Cain as he sinks slowly into the west. Buh-bye. He joins the other saviors of the GOP, Bachman, Perry, Paul (absolutely nuts) and soon to be the rest. Buh-bye big guy. So long, it's been good to know ya. Go peddle your books to the FOX crowd.

So, the field narrows and look who is still the guy. Mitt Romney. Just like I've been telling you for months now, Mitt's the guy. The only remaining question is who will he pick for his running mate? I guarantee it won't be Perry or Bachman, but I think Pawlenty is still a top contender. Cain? Not so much.

So let's look at Mitt's big negatives:

1. Perennial Presidential candidate.

2. Flip flops, he was for (pick a topic) before he was against (pick a topic) and may be for (pick a topic) again, who knows and that's a biggie for the screamin' yellow bonkers crowd. If Reagan was "the Gipper". I think we should start referring to Mitt as "the Flipper".

3. He's a Mormon. And sadly this may be the one that costs him the Presidency, again.

4. He was a corporate scavenger responsible for gutting businesses and putting people on the streets. He is the antithesis of a "job creator". He was a job destroyer. Yeah, just what we need.

I know I've left a few out, but those are the big four.

And where is Mitt, by the way, while Herman "amazing grace" Cain slowly twists in the wind? Hey, anybody out there seen Mitt Romney? Anyone? Seems awfully quiet for someone running for President.

Obama/Biden 2012

FR: New York Times reports the other female accuser received a $35,000 severance payment (her annual salary)

Wow, the Times sure got all over this story in a hurry. Seeing they ignored the John Edwards story for a year, it looks like they've staffed up their sex scandal investigation division of their rag. They have got to compete with the National Enquirer now in days.

What exactly is the accusation again?!? Some woman at some point felt something uncomfortable about Cain? And both parties agreed on something of a settlement and are contractually obligated to not discuss the issues? And now the woman wants to talk about it? Seems like she's in breach of some sort of contract if she does. Maybe she wouldn't mind paying back the settlement, probably because a book deal and a appearance on The View would make a lot more money for her.

But that's just speculation. Just like the New York Times does.

Google search on 'democrats criticize "Death of a President"' produced no hits, however, I did find a reference to Senator Clinton criticizing the film.

Clinton was a Republican Senator?

OMG!

” AIG makes $972 million TARP repayment” “So far Treasury has gotten back 317 billion which represents nearly a 77 percent return out of the total $413 billion disbursed through TARP,

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In contrast to the Tea Potty, President Obama Stands With The American People Against Corporate Money In Politics!

Unlike *Some* People (RWNJs) this is a BFD. OWS made Bank of America back off. Fox-ites run and tell that.

Just like Obama stands with his GE buddy who shipped American jobs overseas. Or his green energy loans that won't get paid back. Or maybe Gibson, an American company in a right-to-work state being raked over the coals by the DOJ. Or maybe Boeing opening a plant in a right-to-work state and him supporting the union suit in WA. Yea, he only stands for union member middle class, the rest of us non-union middle class can go to hell.

As far as BofA (whom I absolutely despise), are you sure it was OWS that did that? Or maybe they made the same decision the rest of the banks made by listening to their customers? Don't give credit where credit isn't due.

Clinton was a Republican Senator?

Another waste of time reply. Forgive me for crediting you with a modicum of intelligence. I did assume a 3rd grade (maybe lower) level of reading comprehension.

Sigh!

I don't recall any Democratic party officials being involved in making or promoting that Bush movie. Republican Party officials have REPEATEDLY been caught sending around hateful and often racist emails about President Obama. Are you deliberately missing that point or are you just dimwitted?

You really want me to come up a set of examples where Democrats or the Democratic leadership demeaned Bush? Did they put out racist emails? No, but how often did they publish emails, opinions and commentary about his lack of intelligence, his lack of curiosity, or simply state he was an idiot? and this was by the Party leadership, not some state level flunky who has 1st grader sense of humor.

All I am saying is that the attacks on the current President are no different than attacks on the previous President, or any other attacks made on a President by members of the opposite party. Go look at the history of Lincoln or the comments made during the first Administrations of the Union.

As much as the "In God We Trust" motion is a shiny object distraction, so is this.

Mitch if you are going to use latin, us it correctly. It is et al not et all

BigBear 62, how about you explain exactly how you got these statistics?

How about you all get the 46-50% that don't pay to pay their fair share?

I see this all the time and nobody ever seems willing to explain to me how the figure came about.

For example, is it a compilation based on a formula? Like say, do they take the number of "no tax due" IRS returns and mulitply by average household size?

How many of the 46-50% who do not pay federal income tax are children under 18, full-time students, or senior citizens?

How many of the households make less than $20K per year? Or over $1M, I might add.

I am tired of seeing this claim made without supporting data. It is easy to sling around a number and make it sound like an accusation. It is better to actually mention factual information.

You are aware, I hope, that in addition to the federal income tax, there are numerous other taxes that everybody pays -- federal taxes on gas, tobacco and alcohol products etc, and various state taxes. So, to say that those who owe no federal income tax are not paying their fair share is disingenous at best.

Wow, who knew the GOP were such clowns? ok,ok, everyone.

...laughing to keep from crying, laughing so hard I'm crying, and just plain rofl :). Can't wait for SNL this weekend! ...also Ms. Jody, Iowa's Friday wrap-up :)

""Here’s something to chew on: At this same point in the 2008 cycle, Obama had invoked his race far less than Cain currently has""

Can anyone substantiate this claim?

JoAnna: Boy, wrong again...what were the chances.

First of all, there were two incidents of accusations and in one of those, the woman was paid a year of her salary to leave under the agreement she not speak about it. That's hardly "some accusation somewhere". Even Cain admits to that part. Why wouldn't she want to speak out since CAIN is all over the place saying it never happened and if he did remember anything, it couldn't have been harrassment and no one told him they were paying her (despite the fact he was the head of the organization). Secondly, no one "ignored" the Edwards story for a year...in fact you'd have to be livinng under a rock to have missed those stories. The tabloids did break it first because they don't give a damn about actual sourcing (thus, they're called "tabloids"). they went on the strenght of a photo at the building remember?That story was IMMEDIATELY picked up by main stream media who tehn got Edwards' initial denials and then his admission after they got other sources. This media conspiracy stuff every time you don't agree with WHO is the target of the story just is ridiculous.

The tabloids did break it first because they don't give a damn about actual sourcing (thus, they're called "tabloids"). they went on the strenght of a photo at the building remember?That story was IMMEDIATELY picked up by main stream media who tehn got Edwards' initial denials and then his admission after they got other sources. This media conspiracy stuff every time you don't agree with WHO is the target of the story just is ridiculous.

You want to put out a timeline?

AP - Secondly, no one "ignored" the Edwards story for a year...

The Times most certainly did ignore it for a year. And after they got scooped, they were very passive on reporting the story. But all of a sudden the Times is all over this Cain story now aren't they? Funny though, all this information the Times has, but no background checks on the women in question. Seems a bit flimsy on the reporting side, don't you think? I guess their word is gospel while Cain is a liar, at least according to the Times.

High-tech lynching based on innuendo and a he-said, she-said situation.

You have an active imagination AP, next you'll have Cain going after the young women in the intern pool.

Damn it was barry and now its Mr. Cain, these racists network people at NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN just won't leave a black man alone they are all racists aren't they now FR. And these women that accused Mr Cain of sexual harassment are nothing but racists, they actual sued the NRA (National Restaurant Association) for no other reason than their appointment of a black man as President of the Association. Its good to remember the good liberals here on FR don't put up with racism. Either that or your a bunch of two-faced liars, you pick FR. "popcorn" :)

As soon as Mr. Cain uttered the words, "...she was a sub par employee..." - I can only envision that he has breached whatever CONTRACT was agreed upon.

She now has a RIGHT to defend herself. All possible by the incompetence of Mr. Cain to spend the previous 10 days considering each side of the situation and planning a strategy for handling it. Seems like he is equally UNPREPARED for discussions about foreign affairs, number crunching on the 9-9-9 9-0-9 plan.

With bona fides such as these,...most reasonable people would immediately take a pass on Cain's candidacy. Note I said REASONABLE people. The Coulter Cool Aid Queens would much rather defend Cain's "honor" than address his actual weaknesses.

Let's celebrate another mediocre American by running him for Leader of the Free World,...right. Excuse me while I control my laughter.

Good Luck with that, Righties. Looks like you all will be very happy hitching yourselves to the Herminator. He represents EXACTLY what you all stand for,...NOTHING.

Clara KCMO:

That's Human Resources 101. "Sub par"? Cain has truly opened another can of worms. She may now legally defend herself without concern about breaching the terms of the settlement.

Herman Cain is just plain dumb.

NHLucky, just go to the IRS.gov website for the data you are looking for. No it doesnt include people who dont file tax returns. In that data, 47% of taxpayers dont pay any federal income tax, so it excludes payroll taxes which is working person's contribution to their future retirement they receive in the form of social security and medicare. Currently you will receive 3 dollars for every dollar contributed so its hard to call payroll a tax unless you see social security as a welfare entitlement for everyone and payroll tax as just an additional tax to fund current government spending. The current tax system is definitely very progressive with the wealthy paying virtually all the tax on an absolute dollar basis. That said, it is extremely unfair and rife with deductions and loopholes intended to be government sponsored social engineering. Tax credits or deductions for children, green energy, mortgages, charity etc and different tax rates for types of income. Dividends are taxed at lower rates supposedly to assist the seniors who rely on such income to live and its already been taxed at the corporate level. Investment gains are also taxed at lower levels so the tax code clearly picks winners and losers and isnt applied fairly across the board. I think most on here would advocate a simpler fair progressive tax code that applied to everyone. Most of the dispute regardless of how everyone spins the facts, is what a fair share the wealthy should pay. Many working wealthy already pay almost 50% of thier income in tax and many wealthy would not fight to pay more tax if our congress people could be honest about spending and put some limits on spending. Then there is income inequality that many on here claim is based on tax policy or some other theft but the new CBO report shows thats really not the case. Tax policy impacts after tax income but not the disparity created in the first place which seems to be caused by numerous factor some consistent with the progressive views and some not like the education gap, immigration and the cash economy and huge wealth transfers to our seniors as they age as they are the wealthiest segment of our population holding 80% of the country's wealth in the aggregate. Honest debate and compromise could be made if both sides would stop politicing and the engaging in class warfare rhetoric as the problems are systemic in both economic growth and government spending along with revenue generation. Each needs to be addressed but each party only wants to focus on those issues that appeal to their constituents and not address the problems as a whole. You can blame Bush and you can blame Obama as both have done very little to address the country's problems and neither as the GOP congress nor the democratic senators.

Kirk,

It's nice to see someone post here that states the facts as they are instead of slanting it from one side or the other.

@Kirk-2957282

Well said.

I wish there was more honesty from politicians on tax policy. The arguments over the 53/47 are irrelevant to me because ultimately the surplus from the payroll taxes are used as general revenue, and there are no trust funds. Where issue arises now is that payroll taxes no longer generate a surplus and entitlement programs now require funds from general taxation. The irony of the arguments put out by the left is that the Bush tax cuts have caused a hole in the finances of SS and Medicare. But if these programs are being paid for by payroll taxes then the income tax rate should be irrelevant. However, the fact that THIS administration is the one that instituted a payroll tax holiday, that it wishes to extend, has caused the current shortfall in funding for these programs. Yes, Democrats are responsible for the shortfalls in SS and medicare funding.

At the end of the day though we are all responsible for government spending no matter what bucket money is raised from and how it is spent. So I would argue that it is time to end the charade of payroll taxes and revamp the tax system so that we simply pay a federal income tax. Make it progressive but remove the exemptions. And BTW, I would like to see the end of the Estate/death tax, but I would include the value of inheritances as income for the recipients (maybe graduated over a number years), so that the very wealthy would be included, but middle class would be able to smooth it out over a number years.

Umm, Kirk, I take exception to the comment that it excludes payroll taxes. SS entitlements are theoretically BUDGETED from the same bucket as all other government spending (no more 'lockbox'), right?, therefore contributions should be classified as Federal Taxes paid.

Given THAT little reality check,...you will see the percentages change DRAMATICALLY if apples equal apples in the discussion.

PS. I wonder which LOBBYING firm the POOR hired to get the tax code written in such a way that there was once COMPASSION for someone being SO broke, they had not TAX Liability? Sure couldn't confuse THAT compassion with any "Conservative" in Congress now, now could you?

Keep grasping at straws,...one will eventually be a 'man' I feel certain.

JoAnnaSmith1

What exactly is the accusation again?!? Some woman at some point felt something uncomfortable about Cain? And both parties agreed on something of a settlement and are contractually obligated to not discuss the issues? And now the woman wants to talk about it? Seems like she's in breach of some sort of contract if she does. Maybe she wouldn't mind paying back the settlement, probably because a book deal and a appearance on The View would make a lot more money for her.

the reason why they want to talk is because Cain acted like he did nothing, if any body violated the agreement it was cain, he down played the whole thing and now they want there time in the press the same as Cain.

if any thing he should be paying a fine for commenting on it at all and let his lawyers handle the whole thing. sexual harassment is nothing to play around with, like i said yesterday, he should have vetted him self and made these allegations public(if he had nothing to hide).

at first i did not believe the allegations but now this is shaping up like the Clarence Thomas affair, Anita Hill wanted nothing to do with this until the press got ahold of it and forced her to testify.

FACT ALERT:

Here's another lie that will not die - the right wing loves the lie too much. It is untrue that 47% of Americans pay no income tax.

Such figures are based on a very selective and convoluted reading of statistics. I hate people who abuse statistics because numbers are such valuable tools.

There is a huge amount of information showing that income earners pay tax.....a rather large majority of them in fact. Because there are so many sources, and because the right wing attacks messengers who have facts they don't like, I offer this solution. Go to a search block and type "Is it true that 47% of Americans pay no income tax" It's that easy. Of course, variations of that particular search parameter will also work.

The point is you will be swamped with information that shows the right wing is seriously slanting the truth. (How very nice of me to call it "slanting". I hope that works for you.) For me, I just think of them as outright liars. I read somewhere that bearing false witness against your neighbors is not acceptable. The truth is most - way more than 47% - of your neighbors pay income tax.

Clara, I am not sure if you were targeting your ire at me but save it. I agree with your point in that there isnt a lockbox anymore and Alan's point as to whether it is used as part of the overall government revenue to spend. However, if one assumes that, then we need to be more honest about social security. Many on this post talk constantly about they paid in so they deserve to get social security etc. I even see posts talking about that it really is solvent etc. So which is it? Cant talk out of both sides of your mouth. If as you say we should include payroll taxes, then it really is just a tax and social security recipients have no claim on their contribution. Benefits are really just welfare then and there shouldnt be any reason to fight social security entitlement reform. Whether its means testing or age and contribution reform, if payroll tax is just a tax and not a contribution to you future retirement, then lets be consistent when we discuss social security reform.

So lets say that we include payroll taxes as just another tax, overall tax payments have still fallen dramatically for the working poor and middle class and I am all for reform that makes the system more fair, simpler and progressive. I am not sure the poor need lobbying as its not about compassion but fairness and simplicity. I dont think the poor are going to have to worry about getting screwed as its usually the upper middle class that gets the shaft. Plus, the GOP has no agenda to tax the poor or middle class as quite frankly the amount of revenue generated is minimal, I think their fight is more about spending and I am sure there will be a spirited debate over what a fair share of tax should be placed on the working wealthy and ultra wealthy.

David, stop exploiting the truth. It is true that there are a broad range of tax issues that you could respond with but the basic truth that 47% of americans dont pay any federal income tax is true and based on the IRS's own statistics and you can see them at IRS.gov. There is no distortion nor nuanced mistake. The better response is Alan and Clara who say lets do away with the social security charade and just call payroll taxes an income tax. Or you could say that workers support their goverments in other forms of tax such as sales taxes, property taxes, telecommunication taxes, gas taxes, excise taxes etc. But the basic fact that 47% dont pay federal income tax is absolutely the truth but you should respond that there is more to that story. Your beef should be the application of the tax system not whether its progressive or who pays what. It should be making its application fair, simpler and without social engineering. You lose credibility and fall into the left wing talking point machine when you cant admit basic facts without smearing someone.

@David

Here's another lie that will not die - the right wing loves the lie too much. It is untrue that 47% of Americans pay no income tax.

OK so lets move on from that. How much do they pay and what would be the effect on them of consolidating the taxes they do pay into one deduction? Don't you think it would be more transparent if we had a single set of rates, with as few deductions as possible, for everybody? In fact if this were the case the the 53/47 argument would no longer exist. Just imagine no FICA, no Medicare, just one line that states Federal Income Tax. Even better, make it show a dollar amount and a percentage of gross income.

Kirk, you might enjoy reading this recent USA Today article:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/2011-10-06/income-tax-nonpayment/50676912/1

Highlights:

• In 2009, the most recent year for which Internal Revenue Service data is available, filers with adjusted gross income of less than $30,000 made up 83% of all the nontaxable returns.
• people making more than $30,000 went from less than 1% of nontaxable returns in 1996 to 17% in 2009.
• Nontaxable returns from people with income between $75,000 and $100,000 went from 4,025 in 1996 to 476,624 in 2009 — an increase of almost 12,000%. More than 1,400 millionaires didn't pay income taxes in 2009, either.
• In 1996, 76% of all returns were taxed. In 2006, 67% were taxable. But the recession deepened the trend. In 2009, 58% were taxable, 42% were not — and the Tax Policy Center estimates 46% will be nontaxable this year.
• According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington, D.C., 46% of tax filers will owe no federal income tax this year. But when you figure in payroll taxes — such as those for Social Security, Medicare and unemployment — more than 80% of tax filers pay some kind of federal tax. And that doesn't include sales taxes, state taxes, local taxes, gas taxes, etc., which catch just about everyone.

The most common context in which I see the non-payment statistic used is to imply that the low income earners are parasites who want handouts and why don't they pay up? A closer look at who actually is not paying reveals a more nuanced picture, which was the point of my questions to BigBear.

I for one don't think a family of four making less than $30K per year should owe any federal income taxes. On the other hand, I think that people who are doing well and are either gaming the system or unfairly protected (like the over-65 set, of which I am a member) should pay up.

And I'd be curious to know where you got this:

Many working wealthy already pay almost 50% of thier income in tax

Since as far as I can find out, the top bracket is 35%, and that percentage is paid only on the income earned above $379,150. For the first $8,500 earned, 10% is paid; for the amount between 8,500 and 34, 500 15% is paid; for the amount between 34,500 and 83,600 25% is paid; for the amount between 83,600 and 174,000 28% is paid, and for the amount between 174,00 and 379,150 33% is paid. So, the overall rate is below 35%, since that percentage is only paid on the earnings over 379K.

Where does 50% enter into it?

I known this is off track of this thread, but I am tired of this tax argument being thrown around irresponsibly.

Kirk, no ire whatsoever,...

But you are delusional if you think the GOP will sign Norquist pledges and maintain that they have no '...agenda to tax the poor or middle class...'

In what dream state do YOU envision us reducing our debt without ending the Bush Tax Sale? I am not talking about RAISING taxes,...I am talking about ENDING the tax sale.

NHLucky,...thanks for the post.

NHLucky,

In that same article you will find this

According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington, D.C., 46% of tax filers will owe no federal income tax this year

And I should say, I mean only federal Income taxes. Everyone pays taxes on certain things, but yet we have many, almost 50% don't pay federal income taxes or get more back than they deserve.

The top 5% of federal income tax payer account for 58.66% of all federal income taxes collected.

see www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

Navy: thanks for the tip on the Romney Ponzi scheme. I'm sure some of our GOP fans will denegrate your source (thinkprogress.) However, if the story gets legs, that'll shoot down another GOP hopeful. Who knows, maybe before the Iowa caucuses the field will thin out to the two who haven't sold their souls to Grover Norquist.

Will the only remaining viable GOP candidates be: Huntsman/Paul 2012 ?

NHlucky and Clara, I read that article and nothing I said is inconsistent with those statistics. In fact, I think I said that the application of the current tax code is extremely unfair and picks winners and losers based on various social engineering provisions in the code. As for 50%, if you take the 35%, take the 7.65 payroll tax on the first $106k of pay and then add on state income tax as high as 10% or more in cal, NY and similar states along with the phase outs of various deductions such as itemized, dependents raising the actual effective tax on the last dollar earned, you get very close to 50% for yes the working wealthy which I think is what I said. Obamacare adds another 3.4% tax on investment income for the wealthy so add that in too. Add all those taxes and I assume you get close to 50%.

I dont think I ever advocated to increase taxes on the poor or tax above whatever someone decides is the poverty rate. So not sure why you both are pointing fingers at me. Sounds like you both agree with me more than arguing with me. As for the GOP and Norquist pledges, I think those are stupid and making any pledge is dumb in my book so dont ask me to defend. I am not sure what you mean by the Bush tax sale versus raising taxes. The Bush tax cuts were across the board so I have no problem reversing those across the board back to where they were. But I would prefer wholesale tax reform getting rid of all the loopholes and deductions and just make it a simple, fair progressive tax system. Dont forget that after the Bush tax cuts, government revenue went to its all time high so they did work temporarily but I am not defending those cuts because Bush also increased government spending dramatically with wars etc that can not be defended. But like I said in the original post, I dont see deficit reduction without both spending and tax reform.

I understand that you want the wealthy to pay more--not sure if you also want spending reform. But I dont understand why you think there is some agenda to tax the poor and middle class. That makes no sense. I get the philosophical differences on what a fair share of tax for people earning above a certain amount and why you might feel that 50% isnt enough but I have never heard fiscal conservatives nor the GOP advocate taxing people who cant afford it nor would it even generate any real revenue. That sounds like me saying all progressives hate succes and that Obama is a socialist. Both are hyperbole intended to create discord rather than rational debate.

So, Big Bear, who exactly do you want to pay more?

Frankly, I do not find it surprising that the top 5% pay a high proportion of the total collections. After all, they control close to 60% of the financial wealth in this country. Why shouldn't they pay that proportion?

Kirk, thanks for the reply. You are right, we dont' disagree on everything! I thought you would like to read that article.

I usually hear the non-payer argument in the context of "those free-loading slackers who expect us to pay for them" referring to people at the lower end of the scale who earn so little that, while they are working and paying withholding, the federal government deems that they should not pay taxes. That just burns me up, to be honest. I am glad we seem to agree about that.

Thanks for the background on where that 50% figure came from, I had understood you to mean federal income taxes and was very confused by that figure. Now that you place it as total tax burden, it makes more sense. I also think it is important to clarify that we are talking about liabilities on TAXABLE income here. The wealthy are quite adept at getting that figure down - I know, I am one of them.

I disagree that nobody seems to be saying we should tax lower and middle income people more. Exhibit #1: the flat tax, which raises what lower and middle income earners pay and reduces what higher income earners pay.

NHLucky--and the seniors control 80% of this country's wealth but we continue to pay them social security? By the way, most of us fiscal conservatives dont have a problem with the wealthy paying a high proportion, I think he is trying to get David, John B and others just to recognize that basic truth in that they pay that high of a proportion. These guys usually try and say the wealthy dont pay and that the tax is really paid by the poor and middle class. I think spending more time debating what a fair share or attempting to discuss the causes of income inequality are better served than class warfare but thats just my 2 cents

Personally,

I want the 16th amendment repealed. What right does the federal government have in taxing my income yearly?

But knowing that won't happen, I prefer a flat tax, at 9% without the deductions & loopholes the federal government would actually take in more money through federal income taxes than it does currently.

On another note, even though the top 5% have 60% of the wealth, that does not mean it is income--each year we pay income taxes, not wealth taxes. But from your statement, I think that you believe it is fair to take .60 cents of each dollar earned by someone. Why?

Why do you and other liberals believe that it is fair to take 60% of a person's income each year? Why is it important for the federal government to get a rich person's income, but not a poor person's income? Taking money from one person and giving it to another is just wrong.

But I do believe that the federal government should get some money to pay for some things, such as military personnel that defend our country, border patrol agents who defend our borders, but many other programs need to be slashed and done away with.

Just imagine a flat tax on income, why would we need to keep thousands of IRS agents under federal employment. That could save millions upon millions of dollars each year.

NHlucky--our current tax code is set up to manipulate it and attempt to minimize what you pay which is why we need to eliminate all special interests in the code. You are correct in that a flat tax if its applied across the board has the potential to increase middle income taxpayers but again I dont see that really happening that way. For that very reason, I dont see a flat tax that would even apply to lower income but have the potential of hitting middle to upper middle income taxpayers more than they pay now. But even that could be worked around by including payroll taxes as an income tax and eliminate the current charade. A flat tax that was high enough for wealthy taxpayers but had enough exemptions up front for lower and middle income taxpayers, could work I suppose. If the flat tax was applied to real wages or salary compensation and then an additional tax on wealthy or ultra wealthy investment income I would be fine with that. I dont think we should discourage hard work, talent and ambition with tax policy but we shouldnt reward wealth just for the sake of wealth.

What Fisty from Roselle meant to say is....

Let her break her contract and pay back the money. But let's be clear that is what the woman would have to do. Perhaps she thinks the book deal or talk show circuit is worth more than the $35K at which point she now sounds like a gold digger looking for another payout.

I suspect the damage has been done and these ladies need not complicate their lives. They are at minute 12 of their fame and they will find out that within a week of speaking they will be nothing to the media.

October 13, 2011 Herman Cain likened himself to Moses.

Well Moses parted the water with his staff.

Herman Cain had to pay his staff off!

Moses never made it to the Promise Land and it looks like Cain won't either!

BigBear, let me put it to you this way:

I am in the upper 5% of financial wealth.

I view my taxes as supporting the functions that I see government performing that I value. I believe that we as a society need to invest in public goods such as the military (as you note) and also: public education; medical care; protection of the environment; public roads, airports and other transport venues; regulation of food and drugs; basic and applied research and many other things that benefit all of us. When a society invests in itself, it is stronger and life is better for everyone. I know you probably don't agree with this, but you asked so I'm telling. And yes, that is a liberal set of beliefs and I am proud of them.

I do not look at taxation as theft or as taking my money and giving it to someone else. I look at it as an investment in my future and the futures of my children and grandchildren, and I am happy to pay my fair share. Naturally I want my dollars to be spent wisely; I do not disagree that efficiency can be improved. The basic principle remains: if we want to invest in our country's well-being, we need to pay for it, and a fair tax on income seems a fair way to raise the revenues needed.

The leftards have fervent imaginations and no substance whatsoever.

The people of real America have completely switched off to the bile that emanates from New York and Chicago.

NBC has burnt all bridges with gentiles. Down to the last shard of credibility.

Cain remembered the woman's performanc­e wasn't up to par, but not the Harassment Suit?
He remembered the severance was $35,000 but, not that it was because of a Harassment suit?

When you file Civil Law Suits, everyone involved has to give a SWORN DEPOSITION subject to Perjury!

Everyone making excuses for Herman Cain at least proves, they have never been sued and know nothing about the Law.

If the stories are true...Cain apparently has a great shot of picking up a lot of the Democrat vote:

Where were the same "truth-seeking" press that's so interested in accusations about Herman Cain during the time Bill Clinton was president? Now Clinton's an adored godfather of the Democratic National Party and still one of its most revered leaders and profitable fundraisers. The list of women that stepped forward and publicly complained about the former President Clinton and his formidable sexual harrassment and sexual assault but were ignored by the media are:

Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned

Wayne From Yesterday –

I said yesterday that I had to leave and didn’t have time to respond to your comments at that time. I saw last night that you taunted back with ….

Yeh Bob, you sleep on that.

Are you new here? You certainly don’t know me or most of the conservatives here if you think your insipid little liberal nosebleed presents any challenge worthy of needing to “sleep on that.” I normally don't repost, but in this case here you go ... From a post a week ago regarding an exchange regarding Fannie and Freddie with David Walker ….

The LIE: Democrats forced banks to make bad loans. It was the evil Community Redevelopment Act …. ….. and President Carter and/or President Clinton who did this horrible thing. The TRUTH: CRA was designed ONLY to prevent redlining …..

The operative word in the last sentence is “designed”. In 1994, Clinton certainly took the design to new levels when he toughened anti-redlining rules by his Interagency Task Force on Fair Lending comprised of 10 federal regulatory agencies……

“I want to target new (housing) markets, underserved populations, tear down the barriers to discrimination wherever they are found. We have to do a better job of reaching the underserved; of eradicating discriminatory practices that prevent minorities from finding, financing or buying the home of their choice.”

“We can widen the circle of homeownership beyond anything we have ever seen.”

And that is exactly what Clinton did and what continued with his machine after he left. Between 1995 and 2005, minorities accounted for two-thirds of new mortgages contributing 49% of the 12.5 million rise in homeowners.

Clinton tapped Fannie and Freddie to take the risky loans off bankers hands, freeing them to make more political loans to boost his “American Dream” boast. He directed HUD to hike Fannie’s and Freddie’s goals for underwriting crap loans – requiring that at least half of these mortgages benefit poor and minority families.

Beginning in 2003, Bush tried to overhaul the system by promoting an agency within the Treasury Department to assume supervision, to have the authority to set capital-reserve requirements and to determine whether Fannie and Freddie were adequately managing their risks. This effort culminated with the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005.

It didn’t make it out of committee ….. 55 repubs for – 45 dems against.

Feel free to look up the exchange from Thursday / First Thoughts – you could use the education.

In addition, and in case David reads this and needs something new, David tried to obfuscate the issue by stating I didn’t prove a quote by Clinton, which was merely offered as his intent, says where banks were forced to make bad loans.

The Interagency Task Force on Fair Lending issued a warning and in effect ultimatum, to banks and mortgage lenders to ease credit for low income / minorities or “face investigations for lending discrimination and suffer the related adverse publicity. They also were threatened with denial of access to the all-important secondary mortgage market and stiff fines, along with other penalties.”

“The threat was codified in a 20-page ‘Policy Statement on Discrimination in Lending’ and entered into the Federal Register on April 15, 1994 …..”

The quotes are from an IBD piece by Paul Sperry – “Smoking-Gun Document Ties Policy To Housing Crisis” and cites a lot of other nasty stuff, presents charts, explains the study the policy was based on, the flawed and wrong results / basis for the policy, how it is now much worse under Obama, etc. Everyone needs to read it.

With respect to Bush’s limited/fruitless efforts to ameliorate the issue, David tried to obfuscate again by playing stupid regarding the Senate vote for cloture / filibusters / Senate Rule XXII, etc.

Sorry to devote so much attention on David. David may be in willful denial of reality, but he isn’t clueless and presented a better challenge.

Regarding a few of your other insipid remarks:

You also conveniently left out that bit about sending jobs overseas

Uh … yea … because it was not related to the CREDIT issue in our financial markets that caused the collapse. Get David to explain the difference to you.

Regardless, and just for your edification, companies send jobs overseas when the business environment is better overseas - when taxes are lower, when regulation isn’t needlessly crippling, when there is better certainty …… who is responsible for that?

And the other little thing about the wealthy getting enormous tax breaks that this nation couldn’t afford.

After Bush’s tax cuts passed in 2003 and allowing for time to take effect, revenues for 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 ALL EXCEEDED CLINTON’S BEST YEAR OF 2000.

How can you “not afford” …. increased revenues?

I am glad to be able to help you!

Thank you.

You certainly helped me demonstrate to any independents how clueless and misinformed libs are.

BTW Wayne – I was civil and courteous in my original response to you. If you don’t like the tone of the above, you might try to be a little more careful with the taunting and smugness next time.

Why would they NOT be uninformed? They get all their information here, media matters, and think progress. Then they THINK they are informed- because they have all the Obama propaganda at their fingertips. That's all the information they think they need.

Just recently, after an attempt to smear Senator Orrin Hatch failed, Mark Murray informed me that the writers of this blog were not up on the "scandal du jour". Odd, is it not, that we have yet another story about Herman Cain's hot water. I guess the moral of the story is that they are not up to Obama's scandals- the Dollars for Donors programs that lead to bankrupt companies with the taxpayers holding the bag- but Republican scandals? Man, if they don't come knocking on their doors- like this one- they'll manufacture one- like the Rick Perry speech. Notice not one word of transcript from the speech- just a link to a cut up version that makes him look silly. Watch the whole thing, and the context changes dramatically.

Then, there is this-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8861608/Libya-Al-Qaeda-flag-flown-above-Benghazi-courthouse.html

This is not the only source.

So, who, exactly, did we help in Libya? I confess that I had assumed that we had intelligence on the ground that made it clear. Turns out that, with Obama in charge, that old saw about assuming is true.

The man is a clueless idiot. If you go with that, you're never wrong.

This begs the question- where the hell is OUR media? Think if this were a republican president it would lead the news? Ah, but it's Obama- so the chaos in the Middle East his inaction on food shortages helped to inflame is covered as a GOOd thing. Sure. It's great- more radical Islamists are terrific!

It's not like they blow things up or anything.

This begs the question- where the hell is OUR media? Think if this were a republican president it would lead the news?

Hey no joe,

It is stunning ... Obama touts our success against Al Qaeda as the Al Qaeda black flag flies over Libya.

Obama now says he never said "lead from behind" (he's right - it was his press secretary) and brags about Libya ...... mission accomplished right ...... as the Al Qaeda flags go up!

Obama is such an epic failure on domestic issues that it seems impossible he could actually be less inept, cause more damage and be a bigger disaster in foreign policy.

Yet he is ..... and the media frames it as a success.

Ignorance is bliss for the libs, huh?

Bob: Gee what were the chances you'd make the implosion of a Republican Conservative candidate about Obama ? Who could possibly have seen that one coming?

@ NOJO

Your critique against FR and other US media is funny.

Your buildup yesterday on FR to this "breathtaking" post about Libya is a testament to your use of the web.

But you need to keep following the sources... The Telegraph article used a picture of the flag from Vice.com.

Vice .com

http://www.stylecaster.com/whats-next/15621/vice-launches-global-hipster-site-with-new-vice.com#143625

You can also pick up a copy of Vice at any American Apparel Store.

NOJO, you have entered the hipster global ccommunity. Who would of thought? :)

If you don’t like the tone of the above, you might try to be a little more careful with the taunting and smugness next time.

Could there be a pot and a kettle here?

Ignorance is bliss for the libs, huh?

Yep, pot and kettle. Typical of Bob. It's not snarky nonsense if he is trolling it, just others.

Good grief, Northstar, is that all you have?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/31/libyas-turmoil-al-qaida-presence-no-surprise-says-white-house/

The film feed is from CNN. Oh- and Carney is not surprised?

Let me see if I understand this-

Obama knew that this revolution was being run by al Queda? Thought if we helped them out, they'd be our BFFs?

I prefer to think even Obama is not that big an idiot.

Then again, I've underestimated just how stupidly narcissistic he is before- so I could be doing it again.

It would be laughable we're it not so disastrous.

There is some news that should give you pause, however- elections in Libya are set for June. During our election year.

Then again, given the dearth of coverage in this country about the outcome of the Egyptian elections- won, overwhelmingly, by the Muslim Beotherhood- and the violence directed at the Copts, and the lives lost to that violence, you'll be as uninformed about the outcome in Libya as you are about everything else.

Great point NJ NB. Where is the Jon Corzine story did I miss it. Or are we not reporting this great progressive (just for you navy) supporter of barry obama. Or might it have to do with the FACT that he is a democrat and former Senator and govenor of the great state of NJ. Hey Navy hook me up with the think progressive article on corzine.

Retired eh...

IR:

Terrific post. Our Veterans are still being treated like crap in some circles. Less than 1% of the population are doing what they do - keep us safe and FREE.

They are all hero's and should be treated as such. Their sacrifices are heroic and their rewards are minimal. It is they who allow us to say and write what we want. It is they who allow us to sleep at night without fear. It is they who have put their lives and family on hold to protect our country. And how do we reward them for these sacrifices?? In too many cases we do not.

Very sad indeed.

Morning Navy Good to see you even if intermittently.

@IR

Thank you for your post.

Veterans are adding their voices as part of the 99%.

OWS movement is only hurting those they say they represent. Collateral damage huh. Is this any way to make friends and influence enemies? Stupid people without a cause.

Cafe Owner Says He Was Forced to Cut Staff by Nearly a Fourth Because of 'Occupy' Protests
A New York City cafe cut its staff by nearly 25 percent last week because of lost business due to the ongoing Occupy Wall Street protests, the cafe's owner told FoxNews.com.

Marc Epstein, owner of the Milk Street Cafe at 40 Wall Street in lower Manhattan, said he had to cut 21 of the 97 members of his staff on Thursday and Friday after seeing sales plummet by 30 percent in the six weeks since the protests began. He's also been forced to slash the restaurant operating hours, moving up his closing time from 9 p.m. to 3:30 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays.

The incessant noise and police activity aside, Epstein said the biggest obstacle to his business has been the ubiquitous New York police barricades surrounding Zuccotti Park in lower Manhattan.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/owner-occupy-wall-street-cost-restaurant-21-jobs-and-counting/?test=latestnews#ixzz1cYUnmK1d

Yes we are and we should. Our veterans and current service members are our most precious blood. We all owe them past, present and those to come who wear a uniform in defense of America a debt that we cannot repay.

They are not looking for medals and kudos. They are just fighting the fight to keep all Americans safe and FREE. It is what we believe in to be right.

This is the greatest country on the planet, but even here, you're not guaranteed wealth, talent, fame, a full head of hair or six-pack abs. Those things are not in the Constitution. You are, however, guaranteed the freedom to make your life what you want it to be. And when you do that, when you build your life around your dreams and passions and hard work, you're guaranteed the right to keep it. No one has the right to take it away from you. -- Dave Ramsey

I have my toughest critique for those who believe this: You are a thief. When someone takes my money and gives me no say in the matter, that's called theft—whether they're using a gun or the government. At the core of this demand is envy. And that's not the same as jealousy. Jealousy just says, "I want what you have." Envy is a different beast. Envy says, "I don't think I can ever have what you have, so you shouldn't have it either." Decades of horrible economic teaching and the politics of envy have kept this monster alive and growing and moving forward.

This way of thinking makes you assume that all rich people are evil and have scammed their way into wealth. That may be true in the tale of Robin Hood, but I choose to live in the real world. Sure, there are some scoundrels, but the vast majority of successful men and women got that way by working hard and serving people—lots of people. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates changed the world in ways we're just now starting to realize. Their positive impact on the world has helped all of us live better lives, and they made fortunes for themselves by doing so. Why is it that you're holy if you help one person but evil if you help a million? That's just stupid. -- Dave Ramsey

IR--wonderful post! My father was a survivor of Chosen Reservior in the Korean war who eventually became a casualty of the system--PTSD, denied treatment and disability! I have known others from other "conflicts". Veterans have literally sacrificed their lives and mental health for this country and should be treated with respect and honor!

IR, excellent, informative post and your personal comments summed it up nicely. Budget cuts and an unwillingness to raise taxes to pay for those who fight for our freedom. What happened to this country the last 30 years that we no longer value what we once held dear.

Nightly News reported, not long ago, the death of a young soldier in Afghanistan; he was on his 14th tour to fight in the middle east.

Ben still waiting to see how all this relates to Vets that were Guaranteed certain benefits that are now being taken from them or just flat out reneged on. Oh I forgot that doesn't fit your talking points this morning. Excuse me.

http://badmoneyadvice.com/2009/05/ten-things-dave-ramsey-got-wrong.html

“The other week I finished up a five part series of posts on Dave Ramsey’s Seven Baby Steps. It seems to have been well received and still gets a steady stream of clicks. But honestly, I was expecting a larger and more hostile reaction than I got, at least as measured by comments and emails. Ramsey has a very large and devoted following, particularly, it seems, in the blogosphere”.

“At least I thought so. Maybe I was wrong about that. Perhaps Ramsey is well liked but not, ultimately, taken all that seriously”.

“Or maybe I was just a little too subtle in what I wrote. Perhaps when I said that “His advice on higher level personal finance topics such as investing and taxes is weak and often misinformed because his knowledge in those areas is limited” my readers thought I was exaggerating for effect. And perhaps when I criticized him for giving advice “on topics such as investing, about which he should probably just keep quiet” those readers didn’t really think I meant that his listeners would be better off if he didn’t cover those topics at all”.

“Well, I really meant it. And for what it’s worth, let me share some of what I found on Ramsey’s website that led me to believe he has no business giving advice on several sub-areas of personal finance. All are from the “Ask Dave” section, wherein questions and answers from his radio show are summarized with an audio link. It’s a large database, but must still be only a tiny fraction of all the questions he has answered on his show. We can only assume that they are not a random sample and that Ramsey or his staff thoughtfully selected them as being some of his better work.

I will cite ten examples that suggest that Ramsey has a poor command of his material. Several I have already discussed in previous posts. It did not take me long to find these. I stopped at ten because it was getting tedious”

Read this article about Dave Ramsey. Another example of how weak the right is in finding good reliable financial experts.

Ben's #3.7 proves that greed above country wins in the circles of Dave Ramsey. While I respect Dave Ramsey's advice for people to get out of debt and his encouraging gifts to charity, I do not respect his ideology that income is somehow exempt from taxes; that somehow democracy can thrive without some form of taxes. His world view that money has a greater value than democracy and freedom is misguided. It is wrong to paint a stereotypical assumption as Ramsey does that liberals hate wealth and rich people and want to take ALL their money; no, we want everyone to participate in keeping America strong, wealthy, and free. Taxes are part of it. Ramsey, like so many other "motivational" folks found a great way to make huge piles of money and wants to ensure that he keeps every dime for himself.

I have often read Dave Ramsey give really pathetic advice to those who ask questions. He is not always right.

Nurse The Frozen Chosen. Semper Fi. Wish your Dad had been treated better. We must learn from our previous mistakes and continually strive to do better.

IR:

Ben still waiting to see how all this relates to Vets that were Guaranteed certain benefits that are now being taken from them or just flat out reneged on. Oh I forgot that doesn't fit your talking points this morning. Excuse me.

Your post was right on today. Ben is still in an alternate reality. He has nothing to say and just is putting up his usually BS that has nothing to do with anything. Ramsey is an idiot, see above.

IR Thank you for your support for our service people. They do deserve better than they are getting. Remember, these men and women are doing the job that 99% of the people will not do. They are volunteers putting their lives on hold to keep us safe and FREE. They deserve our utmost respect and we should honor all the promises we made to these brave unselfish men and women.

You want to take something away - take away the obscene tax cuts to the top 2% who do not even need it.

IR--thank you for your thoughts. I think few people today know about that particular battle--frozen was right! Many troops went in, few came out alive. Many of the survivors suffered terrible guilt because so many of their fellow soldiers died, and many died early because of it. PTSD not only affects the individual, but affects the family as well. It is very difficult living with this. The military wants to pretend PTSD isn't a problem--yet suicides among military members are at an all-time high. Our veterans deserve better than this. I hope we can learn from our mistakes--many of us do. Unfortunately there is a contingent of folks out there who do not consider that mistakes were made!

Semper Fi!

@ Ben #'s re post 3.4...I'm sure you are familiar with downtown NYC and the wall st area....just in case....40 wall st is about 2 1/2 blocks from Zucotti Park where the OWS people are....and yes - there are barricades but with pedestrian lanes for the people who live and work on/near wall st to get too and visit the othear food establishments..seeing as you quote Fox news you know right away the info is suspect...cause if it affected this guy it should also affect every other food establishment in the area just as much...maybe he has lousy food or did not pass the NYC health inspection and is using OWS as an excuse....just FOOD for thought.

The media also needs to diligently pursue the campaign finance problems as well.

Sorry about the double post. FR must have gremlins or left over Halloween ghosts and goblins because I only hit "post" once!

on since 1957

Clearly Republicanh ave some catching up to do. The original in god we trust was the Brainchild of Hubert Humphrey who was casting around for a way that Demcrats wouldn't be attacked by Joe McCarthy.He took his idea to the Democrqtic caucus and Walter George exclaimed "Hubert you've savedour asses". Now youhave to keep inmind Joe McCarthy was a terror feared byboth Democrats and Repblican-evenVice PresidentNixonwas afraid of him and said so inhis biograhy years later in recounting how he kept Joe occpied while they sneaked a cesnor motion against him so tha the didn't get to the floor on time for the vote.

But we must ask: why the concernabout God now whenthey had allthe years since 1957 to bring this up? Could it be that they have a sudden sneaking susipion that God is notontheir side when the vote against health car for pregnantwoen,people withdiabetes,siclke cell anemia, and cancer? Could it be that god has as one passage inPsalms says "Turn his face from you ..and youwill go dilegenly inthe streets and not find him".

Perhaps that is the case.

Jody,

Passing those non-binding (legislatively impotent) resolutions cost the taxpayers approximately $215,183. Just for the legislative session. That doesn't include the cost to modify all government building and public schools. And the net result is $0 increased revenue and 0 jobs.

Why are we footing the bill for the losers in Congress to steal a paycheck? WHY??????????????????????

Jody:

Great post. The re-pugs are totally lost. They stand for nothing and have nothing to offer 98% of the citizens of this country. No Jobs Bill, No Stimulus Bill and a renewed attack on Education and the Middle Class. This is just the same old same old on steroids.

They continue to lie right out in the open with little or no shame. They still think the American people are stupid and will not notice. I hope they are wrong.

We have the most impotent congress in History controlled by the right, we have a crop of TP/GOP clowns running for President that would make you laugh except for the fact that it is so sad that these jokers are the best they can come up with.

President Obama 2012

Jody, I wholeheartily agree.

At least part of the American voting public is stupid. W got elected twice, somehow.

Sorry about the double post, no clue how that happened. I only hit the post button once. Maybe some left over Halloween ghosts and goblins on FR.

Nice try Navy but nothing compares to the Joke you gave us three years ago not even the joke you gave us 35 years ago, Barry needs a brother like Billy was to Jimmy. At least Billy Carter could create jobs even if he had to sell weapons over seas. Barry can't create jobs handing out money, and by the way why are you moonbats whining and crying, Barry is a democrapper or did you fleabaggers forget. He couldn't pass legislation if the whole government was socialist like him. I say re-elect him along with a Republican House and Senate, then you whiny azzed liberals can bitch for 4 more years while we fix the mess you lazy liberals have made.

Da Noid, I brought that up yesterday. Karl Rove and Mike Huckabee, two heavy GOP hitters, have said on air, that they felt the source of this story came from a GOP opponent. However, it is much easier for the right to blame anyone else than to look to themselves.

I talked about it on Monday..."DTA"..."Don't Trust Anybody".

Da Noid,

could very well be

Not "could very well be."

". . . was one of Mr. Cain's opponents."

Rove is trying to weed out the field so that Romney can get some traction before primary voting begins.

But here's the real proof: If the Democrats had this information and wanted to use it, they would have waited until Cain got the nomination, and then released it either a week before the Republican Convention, or a week after it. That's when it would have done the most good.

Not that they would have needed it anyway. Obama vs. Cain would have been a joke. Cain doesn't have the stamina to beat Obama. He knows nothing about world affairs--and doesn't care. His tax plan won't fly. In short, he possesses less intellectual curiosity than the average Republican, and that's saying something.

Da Noid, so true. I've posted a couple times that it is more likely that the information came from his own party. Perhaps Rick Perry who would benefit the most because Cain and he are going for the same voter block or Karl Rove who does not want a TP type to win the nomination. The last thing the "left" would do is try to un-do the candidacy of someone who clearly is not qualified and cannot win. Anyone with an ounce of common sense should figure that out.

Just a thought for the conspiracy theorists....maybe it was the Cain campaign that leaked the info...ya know he was so intent on his book tour that he never thought he'd become he flavor of the month..know's he is not up to snuff to be POTUS..so is looking for an easy way out...this is the perfect excuse...the "media" is out to get him.....yea..that's the story....

Yes, I'm sure that the White House is talking a lot about Herman Cain today.

Give it a rest dude...talk about a one track record

As far as "scandals" go, it's small potatoes, Bob. But keep dreaming. . . .

Fairly simple Bob numbers. There is no scandal. Nothing to report.

"machine"??? Which one got the seat on the US Supreme Court?

If it wasn't so serious, it would be funny.

No wonder the right wingers are as pissy as they are lately! lol

They GOT NOTHIN! ;o)

PS: Remind me NOT to order whatever Perry was drinking over at the Dew Drop Inn this weekend! When I'm enjoying a cocktail, I prefer to remain COHERENT!

Good morning Feisty!

The GOP is pissy because too many folks are starting to notice that they are full of $#@! :oP

P.S. I think I'll have just a little of whatever Rick Perry was sipping mixed into my red koolaid this morning . . . take the edge off dontcha know! :o)

BTW, is there a cocktail to go with leftover Halloween candy? Getting ready to start giving to the mailman, grocer, etc. just to get rid of it.

And then when you shine that light on them, they get upset, and blame anyone else they can for their shortcomings.

What a bunch of idiots. I have already seen dozens of deflections trying to bring up Clinton or Thomas in order to divert attention from Cain's problems.

His illegal campaign contributions are waiting for this to die down, and he'll be smack dab in the middle of another mess. That's what happens when you try to elect someone that believes you can simplify a complex problem into "9-9-9". Next time, get someone smarter than a pizza guy.

I think I'll have just a little of whatever Rick Perry was sipping mixed into my red koolaid this morning . . . take the edge off dontcha know! :o)

On second thought - I think I'll join ya! ;o)

Getting ready to start giving to the mailman, grocer, etc. just to get rid of

Same here phinephancy! lol

I wouldn't get too worked up over the Q poll. Reading the cross tabs shows that there has been no change at all in the number of independents or republicans who approve, or plan to vote to reelect, Obama.

The conclusion most have drawn is that Q added more democrats to their pool- but they have not answered numerous requests for the information.

Stay tuned. . .

Nashville, as always--great post and to the point.

Watching this GOP primary season unfold is like watching a cartoon. In 2007/08, the GOP candidate debates were interesting, even when I disagreed, they at least resembled intelligent and honest debate. This year it is ridiculous. It is as if their goal is to make the most outrageous statements and accusations with nothing to back them up.

The GOP candidates appeared at an Iowa forum yesterday--their answers to the questions on how to get the economy moving, the loss of jobs to outsourcing was laughable. Repeal ObamaCare, repeal Dodd/Frank, cut taxes, deregulate, and drill baby, drill. Not one new idea and nothing of substance. Michele Bachmann was in town last Friday, she said she's the "anti-Obama candidate". What kind of economic growth and responsible policy can we expect from simply being anti-Obama?

And, Q responds.

When is a bounce not a bounce? When you rig the poll to create a bounce.

For the poll released October 3, ( really bad numbers for Obama), the pool was 40% republicans/republican leaning independents, and 43% democrats/democratic leaning independents.

Today? 35% republican/republican leaning independents, to 48% democrat/democratic leaning independents.

Voila! A bounce!

It's as real as a mirage, but what the heck. . .

Cowboy Ricky's video - A bizarre cocktail of Alfred E. Newman and Richard M.Nixon.

nice Nashville...though serious, it's still funny! You just gotta laugh....

When is a bounce in a poll not a bounce? (Answer: when it doesn't fit your narrative.)

Blind mice comes to mind.

People, the TP/GOP is lost period. They no longer represent America. The TP/GOP Party is broken, even Steele is on record saying they are lost and they need to get their act together.

They are more and more the party of Wall Street over Main Street, Big Business over Small Business and the 2% over the 98%.

I'd say it means they are as loopy as Rick Perry was in NH last weekend.

Starderup, well said. Talk about speaking with a forked-tongue, Cain has it down to a science.

Good morning phinephancy--I do remember the "silent majority" (remember "I'm Suzy Sorority of the silent majority" on Laugh-in?). I do indeed hope the sleeping dragon awakes and brings some sanity back to our country!

Good morning. And Laugh In was one of the precursors, I believe, of some the shows on the Comedy Network (Jon Stewart, Colbert Report). And I really believe that we are seeing a resurgence of this group. I think we saw the beginnings of it in '08 with the groundswell of support of President Obama. While his numbers have gone down, after the great tea party/GOP experiment has shown itself to be dangerous, I think they are coming back. And I think OWS has a lot to do with this.

You bet I remember the "silent majority". It is nice to see they are no longer being silent, they are marching, occupying, protesting; they are going to GOP campaign offices--in short, the silent majority is fed up and getting noisy.

That's disgusting, mitch j, even for you.

sorry jody, i realize that if the "victims" had been conservative, then it would have been appropriate for them to be violently raped according to your liberal spokesman, bill maher.

i stand corrected.

Still disgusting to imply such garbage. Since I do not watch Bill Maher and only occasionally see him on TV as a guest, I'm guessing that you have twisted and misrepresented his words. I say that because it is what posters like you do. Violent behavior is unacceptable by or against any person of any political or nonpolitical leaning--there's no party lines involved. To suggest there is embraces stupidity regardless of the person's political ideology.

He went to the Romney school of political thinking.

Cain is as much a flip flopper as Romney. It's surprising that no one in the media had noticed that until recently. Too bad it took a sex scandal to bring out the "truth squad".

If you truly think that the Clinton's didn't look at everything and anything that they could to try and win the nomination, you truly must be from another planet. And Mr. Cain's problem is the fact he cannot tell the same story twice regarding this matter.

pandy,

Your use of the term "broads" shows me you are on the wrong blog.

Move along now...

pandy, think about what you said and stop kidding yourself. Do you honestly believe that FOX, Limbaugh, right-wing media along with the Clinton campaigns did not do their best to dig for a little dirt? There were plenty of leads in Obama's own books only they came up to be exactly as he wrote. Is it really so difficult for conservatives to realize there simply was nothing to find--that instead, Barack Obama led the life he claimed, led the life he wrote about?

Apparently, conservatives only find scandal acceptable to discuss when it is a democrat that was involved ignoring, of course, the many republican politicians and conservative ministers who have had the same problem.

Northstar, well said!

Let it be harnessed then and protestors stop littered the country with your trash and harming innocent by-standers.

Doesn't Obama still smoke? and in the White House?

NO he doesn't!

It was reported yesterday - President Obama is tobacco free!

Tsk tsk... maybe you should check out something besides Fox & the Blaze before you come here and make a FOOL out of yourself! lol

deconnel

Speaking of selective reporting, I notice that FoxNews.com has decided to cover the Cain story this morning. As of midnight last night, you would not be aware of the controversy if you relied on the fair and balanced news for your briefing. Since it is on network news, pretty much all of the national papers and internet news, it appears that they decided to give it a spot "below the fold"

canyousayabout a party of Grand Old Perverts?

I feel certain he was promised a VP pick for Romney OR a prominent cabinet role. Bet money on it.

But, yeah, he's looking like a viable candidate MORE and MORE each day. (not that I'd ever consider him; but look at this 'field of dreams' on the Repub bench?

'nuff said.

The American way, never let bygones be gone, keep stirring the sh......... Our legal system needs some serious overhaul to stop all this stupidness. No one is perfect, including the accusers.

Their retutation was already smeared when they brought this crap back to life, stop dragging up the past.