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Subscribe to RSSHerman Cain said he had authorized a "full investigation" Tuesday into whether his campaign received improper benefits from a Wisconsin charity cofounded by his campaign manager.
Cain promised to look into a Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel story reporting that Prosperity USA, a nonprofit started by campaign manager/chief of staff Mark Block and Linda Hansen, Cain's deputy campaign manager/chief of staff, had paid for about $40,000 in travel and equipment for the Cain campaign in February and March.
"I am aware of the report. I just heard about it yesterday. We are doing a full investigation of it, and if there were any improprieties, we will go back and amend the FEC report," Cain told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham. "The last thing I want to do is anything illegal or something that we shouldn't do. So at this point, we're going back through and double-checking and making sure we have all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed."
The former Godfather's Pizza CEO has already endured a bruising news cycle since acknowledging on Monday that he faced sexual harassment allegations while at the National Restaurant Association, allegations he admitted had led to a settlement (the details of which he said he didn't recall).
Cain promised to make public the results of the inquiry into Prosperity USA.
"As soon as we know what's what, we will not only issue a press release, we will let you know what exactly we found out," he said, "and if there are any improprieties, we will correct them."
Cain otherwise embarked Tuesday on Day Two of a national media tour to push back on Monday's story about the alleged sexual harassment. He defended himself from perceived inconsistencies after he admitted on Fox News last night that there was, in fact, a settlement paid to one accuser after Cain had initially denied any such payout.
"This happened 12 years ago, so I have been trying to recollect all of the various pieces of this throughout all day yesterday," he said. "The best account is the one that I did on [Fox] later that evening -- not changing the story, but trying to fill in as many details as I could possibly recall."
Cain did boast, though, that the scrutiny his campaign had endured as a result of the original Politico story had resulted in a spike in online fundraising on Monday.
"Yesterday, with the firestorm, was one of our best fundraising days online ever, since the campaign started," he boasted.
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The family values freaks condone sexual harassment is the strangest ways... lol
Curious why Herman isn't calling for a 'full investigation' into his sexual escapades as well?
By the way - where's Mrs. Cain?
Anyone seen or heard from her?
Anyone...
Hi GF Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Strange...
Herman Cain is strange. His likening himself to Jesus proves it.
Yea, just like he said he did not know about the sexual harassment accusations.
Wouldn't it be nice to see Herman Cain and President Obama debate?
Too bad it ain't gonna happen Karl Rove does not want the Herman Cain to be the nominee.
The Republican super-strategist pulls out a whiteboard on Fox News to tick off Herman Cain's self-destructive mistakes, concluding: "I think it has created an image of him as not being up to this task. That’s really deadly."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66698.html#ixzz1cQAjjziK
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And they wonder why Hispanics and Blacks don't want to be in the Republican/crazy Tea Party tent.
GOPolitico is not really left; so stop blaming the leak on the left. How much would you wager it was Karl Rove how leaked the story to the Politico blog? Karl Rove is not a leftie either.
*hugs* GF!
Did you get my messages?
E-mail or call me will ya?
Well, as they say in advertising, sex sells. Seriously, though, I have asked on other forums where is Mrs. Cain? I think Mr. Cain has said something to the effect she is keeping the homefront calm. Hmmm. Maybe she is just glad to keep him out of the house!
Feisty
Or if Rove didn't leak it his campaign did to squash the FCC violation. GF, I've been so busy. I didn't have my laptop with me. The funeral is Thursday. I just stopped in for a minute to give my astute analysis. I'm going back to my sister's some time today.
Love Ya
Nice to see you back Bev!
God bless, Bev.
Please send the me details - a whole bunch of people are asking me about it!
Hang in there honey, I'm thinking about you!
*double hugs*
To top it off, Pizza Man is some sort of Associate Pastor at a Baptist church in Atlanta!
Mrs. Pizza Man may have to build a moat, with alligators, around their home to keep prying eyes away!
@chilled
And maybe keep Mr. Cain away?
Beverly, hugs to you and your family. Please know we are thinking of you.
"And maybe keep Mr. Cain away?"
Reminds me of the game 'keep away'
....guess the Church gotta' do some heavy praying!
How much would you wager it was Karl Rove how leaked the story to the Politico blog?
Bingo! It's the establishment Republicans who are knee capping Cain to save Romney.
Bev, you are in all of our thoughts today and every day. Thank you for dropping in.
"Anyone seen or heard from her?"
She may be over at Karl's 'pad', listening to that 'dreamy' Huckabee play his bass.
Bev -- My thoughts, prayers and much heart felt love go out to you and your family. Hugs and more hugs to you all.
newdayDAWNING...RETURNED, Feisty, chilled, Dont_carry_it_all, Amy B. Portland, ME, phinephancy, and everyone else:
Thank you all for the love and concern.
Bev
Bev -- Bless you and welcome back. We've missed you.
Bev -
Sorry I didn't offer concern and care sooner - but best wishes, indeed.
Re your remark about the GOP and Hispanics and African-Americans, you re so dead on.
Did you see the report out of Texas about the new outdoor ad campaign? "The New Black" is an attempt by the GOP there to attract conservative social values Black voters. It's absolutely insuting. What a bunch of arrogant, ignorant fools!
And here you have it, folks, a DIRECT tie between Mark Block and the Koch brothers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Block
I was pretty sure I had read his name on the AFP-Wisconsin website. It would be fun to follow that money trail back all the way, wouldn't it?
Not to mention, of course, that Block has been in hot water for election law violations before, and actually was banned from working on political campaigns in Wisconsin for some time, as a result.
But we know, don't we, from the past 36 hours or so, that those are all just unproven "allegations."
For which Block agreed to pay a fine.
LoL Think that's nothing?
Well, then, tell me. How many fines or settlements have YOU all paid out for unproven allegations?
As they like to say, birds of a feather ....
Anna Molly -
Good post. I'd read about 10 days ago a detailed piece regarding Herman Cain's campaign organization, and how it was almost entirely led by former AFP personnel. Cain also served on the board of directors of the Koch-funded Heritage Foundation, a right-wing "think tank" that serves as a funnel for money to ultra-right lobbyists and influence groups.
Cain is simply a front man for those interests, the Koch Brothers, and the other ultra-conservative interrest groups in D.C. His claim of being a political outsider is just as hollow as Cain himself. He's the popover candidate, all puffed up and crusty outside, but completely empy inside apart from some hot air.
Actually, Mr. Cain is the first fully-funded corporate candidate for President of the Corporate States of America. He worked for AFP for a number of years, his campaign organization is supplied by AFP, and now we know where the money is coming from...
@ John A:
LoL Love that popover image of Cain -- especially today.
And just wait till we get an actual tie between the Koch brothers and the $40,000.
The right-wing noise level will be deafening.
AM -
What a terrific pun .... thanks for the laugh!
My goodness, the liberal roosters are out crowing about the demise of Herman Cain. Those DNC dirt-diggers must be out in full force to learn every little issue that they can use to take Cain off of his agenda, to defend issues. By keeping him from his agenda, they hope to confuse the public from his governing sytle on items concerning most Americans.
So the settlement was a five figure one. Was it $10K or $90K - we will never know. The only one who may have profited from this exercise was her lawyer who probably collected his 60% fee.
So, by attacking Cain on several fronts, are the Dems that concerned that Mr. Cain can beat the Bampster? Which frontrunner from the GOP will be next to feel this style of politics?
I can't wait until a GOP candidate is selected and Mr. Obama has to explain his failures in governence to the population. Should be interesting.
Best fundraising day for his campaign yet?
Maybe the Cain campaign will start releasing allegations to the press of all kinds of heinous crimes he can claim to be innocent of to really fill the coffers.
Beverly:
Karl Rove is not a lefty? Say it aint so.
All the evidence points to the "right" setting up the Cain story. Romney and Perry want rid of him - but it might even have been a master stroke by Herman himself - after all, his fundraising has spiked.
Safe to say, the "left" does not want to rock his boat and is probably the last place to instigate the leak. He would be superb fodder for The Prez in debate and we could all relax, knowing that the country will be safe until 2016.
I told you yesterday this was coming the L.A. Times had this story...now for some interesting numbers brought to you by Occupy Everywhere...66% of americans make $40,000 or less, 0.05% make $1million or more, Exxon-Mobil made $19 billion in 2009while getting a tax rebate of $156 million therefore paying no income taxes, 81.2% of all stock market wealth is owned by the top 10%, the bottom 60% own 2.5% of the stock market wealth, 18 members of the Fed found to have serious conflict of interest by congressional audit, in 2000 19% of Americans thought they were in the 1% (Times/CNN poll), as of 10/29/11 2885 people arrested in Occupy movement but 0 CEOs or CFOs of banks or insurance companies charged with any crime in connection with the 2008 global meltdown. Old Herm is a Koch Bros. acolyte wake up funny hatters. Do you really want somebody as ill prepared as the pizza guy he should've just revealed everything he knew but he let it out in bits and pieces and then with some contradictions to boot. Too bad we'll miss his creepy smile and off the cuff remarks QUACK!
I told you yesterday this was coming the L.A. Times had this story...now for some interesting numbers brought to you by Occupy Everywhere...66% of americans make $40,000 or less, 0.05% make $1million or more, Exxon-Mobil made $19 billion in 2009while getting a tax rebate of $156 million therefore paying no income taxes, 81.2% of all stockmarket wealth is owned by the top 10%, the bottom 60% own 2.5% of the stockmarket wealth, 18 members of the Fed found to have serious conflict of interest by congressional audit, in 2000 19% of Americans thought they were in the 1% (Times/CNN poll), as of 10/29/11 2885 people arrested in Occupy movement but 0 CEOs or CFO of banks or insurance companies charged with any crime in connection with the 2008 global meltdown.
I told you yesterday this was coming the L.A. Times had this story...now for some interesting numbers brought to you by Occupy Everywhere...66% of americans make $40,000 or less, 0.05% make $1million or more, Exxon-Mobil made $19 billion in 2009while getting a tax rebate of $156 million therefore paying no income taxes, 81.2% of all stockmarket wealth is owned by the top 10%, the bottom 60% own 2.5% of the stockmarket wealth, 18 members of the Fed found to have serious conflict of interest by congressional audit, in 2000 19% of Americans thought they were in the 1% (Times/CNN poll), as of 10/29/11 2885 people arrested in Occupy movement but 0 CEOs or CFO of banks or insurance companies charged with any crime in connection with the 2008 global meltdown.
A pervert and a thief. Wow, how come he isn't a congressman or senator? Oh yea he's black so not many Republicans will vote for him.
You know it's not the lefties that are exposing this clown to the light of day. We'd love to see a Cain vs Obama campaign. I'm pretty sure Barack knows who the president of Ooozzzbecky-Becky-Becky-Stan- Stan is.
This gets worse by the hour ...just another for sale politician !
Actually, he has already been bought by the Koch brothers.
Just something shiny for you left wing nuts to chew on, rather than on your hind legs.
"smatta, Smiff- coudn't think of a good 'But O Baaaa Maaaa...." retort?
YOU?? Aw, g'wan.
(but if it helps, your guy Cain HAS to be innocent. It's the MEDIA'S fault, right?)
The GOP/TP always wants to shoot the messanger!
They never take responsibility for their actions.
Deny, Lie, Cover-up!
JoAnnaSmith1 you sure are Caine
JoAnnaSmith1
Just something shiny for you left wing nuts to chew on, rather than on your hind legs.
Lady Sniff
For sure you are a RWNJ. You don't need a magnifying glass to see whose chewing who. The oligarchs are eating caviar and sipping champagne nervously as they consume the news about what most Americans want. That'd be for them to pay their taxes and create J-0-B-S here in America.
Really JoAnna? Is that all you got? Your party is ripping its self apart. Cain leads the polls (God knows why) and is freaking out the Party elite. Carl Rove comes to their rescue and does what Carl does best...attack! You jump on this blog and do a lame drive-by at Democrats as though we're somehow out to sabotage your Pizza Guy...ROFLMAO. If you want someone to take a shot at, Carl has pointed the way...follow him now as you did before...like the sheep you are.
"When they show you who they are...believe them!"
The Original Cain wasn't straight with God when asked "where is your brother Abel"
This Cain is no different! Never a straight thing will come out of Herman's mouth.
Being some kind of "Preacher" is even more egregious!
An ultra-conservative lay minister in a very liberal (is there such a thing) Baptist Church in Atlanta. I hear that even his minister disagrees with his politics, hehe. And he is FAR from being an outsider......I guess the stooges following him don't think being a lobbyist as the CEO of the NRA, or a member of the KC Fed (appointed Class C director), or a previous candidate for both president and the Senate makes him an insider or a politician. They blindly believe that he is not a politician either.....he's just one of them. What a laugh. Why anyone would buy any of his books (or cross the street to get one signed) is beyond me, just as it is beyond me why anyone would contribute to SP becoming a multi-millionaire with their hard earned money, especially when he has the gall to tell people it is THEIR fault if they aren't a millionaire like him.
Does anyone think the Mr. Cain is of the old school thinking that any publicity is good publicity?
I thought that last week with his idiotic 'smoking man' ad...
Look at the airtime it got!
We played a drinking game to try and do the Cain smile. Lots of vodka involved. :)
phinephancy-4252115
Try groping the person to your right and take 9 shots of vodka; and walla....
the Cain smile
I'm not going to defend the lawbreaking that appears to be the issue here. The law is the law. However, it was Charles Dickens' Mr. Bumble who observed, "The law is a ass - a idiot." While there is more to this than meets the eye, it vividly demonstrates the fact that Mr. Cain is woefully unprepared for the office of President. However, while he may pay a fine or two, in the end he will sell books, make well-paid appearances, and more than likely cozy up to FOX. It may not be politically correct, but this guy is truly capitalizing on his role as the current "token Republican Negro".
In any case, we have reached the point that running for political office requires a well-organized, professional staff that can meet the requirements of myriad laws, rules, and regulations for running to represent citizens. This necessarily means that money - loads of it - are going to determine the outcome of elections. Is it surprising that Big Money is going to control the electoral process? Is it a surprise that laws are going to benefit Big Money?
We really must find a way to publicly finance our elections, or we will lost this country.
David, Big Money likes everything being controlled by BigMoney, "we" have no tools in our tool box to effect change, you can't vote your way to change Big Money has that one covered, the American people have been put in a situation that can no longer be remedied by the very avenues put in place to achieve change, that leaves the American people with the prospect of effecting change by whatever means necessary, not good. I sincerely hope Big Money does not underestimate the creative nature and ruthless resolve the American people are capable of when wronged, to do so would be a terrible mistake for everyone involved.
I agree David -
Only millionares or those beholden to Big Money can run for office, so it's not really surprising that all laws favor people with a similar background.
What I think we need:
An end to the constant re-districting at the local levels. Most politicians can't win in a fair, equal vote so they redistrict the areas to ensure that people who think alike can vote alike. End result is we end up with the same poor representatives year-in-year out.
Term Limits: The President has a term limit. All members of congress need the same. Life-long 'patriots' like John McCain ( who I do like ) need to move on and be replaced with someone else with new ideas.
A cap on election spending: Its getting ridiculous. Perhaps the major races need to be funded by the Federal government so that it can come down to who better uses their fixed budget and strategy. I'd also by-pass TV adds for internet slots which are cheaper. TV time costs too much. Interviews and debates would be the primary TV focus.
A limit on when retiring politicans can go into lobbying positions. Perhaps a 4-5 year suspension form accepting a lobbying position after office?
Pablo, all good points that any reasonable person would fully support, but as mentioned in my previous post, there is no means available to the American people to effect such changes, the very persons who would have to make those changes would be negatively impacted by making them, it ain't going to happen.
David Walker
Mr. Cain is woefully unprepared for the office of President. However, while he may pay a fine or two, in the end he will sell books, make well-paid appearances, and more than likely cozy up to FOX. It may not be politically correct, but this guy is truly capitalizing on his role as the current "token Republican Negro".
David Walker, you are exactly right.
How' bout that Ann Coulter saying this about Herman Cain: Our Blacks Are Better Than Their Blacks. Ummm, I wonder is Ann not aware that is the terminology the slave holders used to identify their slaves?
Herman Cain better get off that plantation quick.
It will be curious to find out how this information was actually released to Politico. Watching MSNBC yesterday and a spokesman for Politico kept saying they were not in a position to comment on "how they got the information" but that they had asked for a response from Mr. Cain 10 days prior to posting the blog. I wonder is there a Republican operative in sheep's wool somewhere in the brier patch?
Bev:
Welcome back. I made mention of Coulter's incredibly stupid remark in another post, I paraphrased of course: our Negro is better than your Negro. For the life of me, how anyone can take these right-wing pundits seriously is a complete mystery to me.
w bush and Pablo: Let me tell you about term limits. First, we already have them: Two years for a Congressman, six years for a Senator, and four for a President. Only the President has "term limits" of a sort.
I have a very hard time supporting anything that limits my choice. (That's why I am pro-choice.) In any case, this was enacted in California with terrible results. Limiting terms wipes out the institutional memory and effectively puts the control of the government in the hands of staffers and lobbyists. The staffers move up when a representative is limited out. It is a complete disaster.
Given the performance of our elected officials, it is hard to imagine that we actually have any competent people in our legislative bodies. However, the act of limiting our choice is a cowardly way of absolving us of our personal responsibility when we choose a bad legislator. It's up to us to rectify those situations - not some inflexible law.
You don't take your government back by tying your own hands.
Diatom:
You ask how this information about Cain got out. My guess is there's a very underhanded Republican in the woodpile.
David you address Mr. Cain as the Republicans token negro tell me something other than President Obama what is the highest office held by a Black Democrat ........................
Dark Guardian:
That would depend on what you define as the highest office. At the federal level, there are none in the Senate. There are a number of both black Congresswomen and Congressmen. At the state level, we have the fabulous Gov. Patrick. That guy would make anyone proud to be a constituent. Of course, state legislators have a number of black members.
As you used the past tense, the most recent black in high office was Roland Burris, an embarrassment.
Why do you ask?
David, there has been a way to get big money out of elections for the past 15 months.....it's called the Popular Amendment Movement that I've been supporting and promoting here on Newsvine since its inception. Go to www.faircampaignreform.us and get involved in helping to pass the Election/Campaign Finance Reform constitutional amendment. The groups is also promoting a Federal Term Limits amendment for both houses of Congress, the same as the president.
"killer cain" doing his own investigation. Well how about a independent investigation. I just don't trust his own investigation. That wound be like the koch brothers saying there broke.
Actually, it is the Koch brothers running the investigation :)
phinephancy-4252115
Actually, it is the Koch brothers running the investigation :)
Indeed phinephancy, the oil stained Koch money knows how to blow smoke too.
The FCC, SEC and the IRS will file charges once the papers are returned to them with an unsatisfied answer. The Org will be barred and jail time will be handed out. Say hello to buba CoCaine.
We're still awaiting an FEC ruling on the illegal purchase of his books by his campaign committee. Since he owns the company the books were purchased from, that makes it an illegal transaction per federal elections rules.
c
Say it isn't so
This gets worse by the hour ...just another for sale politician !
I would say more like comical!!!
This keeps getting better and better we've flavour /flav, the drunk texan, wishy washie, the coo coo gal, Oh the list goes on and on!
Drunk Texan? I think the guy was on about 200 micrograms of acid, myself. Not enough to hallucinate, but plenty enough to make him act giddy and, well, downright strange. At that point, it would have been fun to listen to him and Bawkmann try to hold a conversation.
About anything.
Driveby, that is the best post of the day. The mental picture I have of that conversation is priceless. I will be giggling all day!
I'm serrious. I was hoping for a close-up, to see how dialated his pupils might have been.
Ditto phinephancy! It staggers the imagination!
Bev--it is good to hear from you. My thoughts and prayers for you and your family!
200 micrograms of acid a day keeps the doctor away, that's what I always tell the giant pink bunnies anyway.
My pink bunny's name is Stanley. What's yours? :)
It's almost comical the way the left attacks any perceived potential imperfection in a conservative ...while ignoring the SEA of scandals, gaffes, hateful attacks, wasteful spending of our children's incomes, and flat out lies by their own messiah and his cronies.
Useful idiots abound and this is always a good place to observe the wildlife!
Gee, I didn't know that sexually harassing women was just an imperfection. Wow. Guess you told me.
"Useful idiots abound and this is always a good place to observe the wildlife!"
Why, thank you. And....welcome, of course. Looks like you will fit right in.
Gee, I didn't know that he actually sexually harrassed anyone. Are you really the type to believe that women never claim this without merit in search of a payday?
I've seen it, the ignorant accuser didn't seem to realize that the guy she accused was GAY and had to come out of the closet to dismiss the charges. Yes, even she as a proven liar got a payoff on her way out the door.
Cain was a very powerful and wealthy man, a PERFECT target for a lawsuit-happy accuser. Think about it. If an ACCUSATION is all it takes to dismiss a candidate, we're screwed.
Innocent until proven guilty in a dozen courts, right? ...or does that only apply to liberals who coddle your entitlement mentality?
Wake up.
Guess you don't know much about how hard it is for a woman to even bring up to a supervisor the subject of sexual harassment. But, of course, you probably believe rape happens because a woman enticed the man. Bah. Men like you really need to walk a mile in a woman's shoes. Might not be so ridiculous.
"...entitlement mentality?"
Wow- did Perry share that hit of acid with me? Where the hell did THIS come from??
phinephancy I live in reality and have worked in enough office environments to see how often it is abused. Apparently you really the type to believe that women never claim this without merit.
What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty' again? I guess I missed that part of your reply...
In reality, I too have worked in corporate America. And corporations do not settle claims like this unless there was something to it. And Mr. Cain admitted, in one of his many interviews, that there was a complaint.
Lawsuits, even when completely baseless, cost a TON of money to fight. Attorney fees for simply preparing for court can be many tens of thousands of dollars. If the company reputation is on the line, some sort of prescident being set that shouldn't be, or some other REASON to spend that much money exists then they will fight it. The bummer is that even when the accuser comes out and admits it is a lie, the company has no recourse to recoup the money they had to spend on the lie. It's a lose-lose situation for business in this country.
However, if it's a lot cheaper to give her half the preparation costs and send the problem (her) out the door, it's a no-brainer. That seems to be what happened here, and it happens to the most respectable men and businesses you can imagine.
So you do believe that women never claim harrassment without merit. You also believe that a company would not settle a claim they KNOW has no merit. That's telling.
And you seem to imply that women are only complaining for the money. Don't think so. You are just a typical sexist. I have seen your type all my life. Fortunately, times are changing and your kind is going on the endangered species list.
Not always a lie for money, of course not.
When there is merit, when they really were sexually harrassed, a few bucks isn't what makes it right. A victim will ignore money offerings, drag them to court, and expose them for what they are. Otherwise, they are leaving with a person they know to be a danger able to do it to the next woman.
If it turns out to be millions of dollars or something, we'll talk. If it was a few week's pay, she knew she was lying and got what she could before she was fired and stuck with her own attorney fees. That happens OFTEN whether or not you are willing to admit it (and with your corporate experience you do know it.)
Sexist, that's a new one for me :c) I'll add it to my list of 'racist', 'homophobe', and 'teabagger' ...all courtesy of democrats who have never met me. You judge Cain without knowing anything about the facts and you judge me with even less knowledge. Nice!
gtown you're correct on that one- my best friend went through this, her and a few other waitresses took their sexual harassment suit to court not for the money but to make sure that the offending manager couldn't do it to anyone else, it took them a year and a half to win, but win they did, they each ended up with about 1400.00 each but money was never the point. The offending manager can never again work in a restaurant and was actually arrested and convicted of being a sex offender
I have never seen a company just hand out money and settle unless they thought they would lose the case or unless they wanted the details held in secret by way of a confidentially agreement as part of the settlement. Why would you pay if you are innocent, and by the way Sexual Harassment is never a case of an offhand remark, or a single incident, the woman has no case until she brings it to the employers attention what is happening, serves notice that it is unwelcome conduct, and only if it continues does she have a case. It is not harassment to proposition a women, never, it is not harassment until she says no I am not interested and the propositions continue. People who think I women can file suit for a an offhand remark or single incident and win in court or completely mistaken, if things are settled out of court in a case like that it has nothing to do with the high cost of litigation, or possible punitive damages because the women has no case, it would be cheap and easy to defend, it is simply to hush things up so wifey does not find out the way hubby has been operating.
If what Gtown is saying is true, a case with no merit, and just giving somebody a few weeks pay to go awayand hush up. Why would a man of integrity compromise his and the organization he heads up for a few weeks pay, is that all Hermann Cain thinks his good name is worth then, a few weeks pays, and yet wants me to put my confidence in him. Personally if it was me, and I was innocent or the organization I represent was innocent I would fight tooth and nail to preserve my good name and reputation. In my eyes he is either guilty of the harassment or a sellout on his on good name, either way he has some serious character flaws, real serious character flaws.
Just based on this much of your reply, you have little knowledge in the way this works. Companies settle ALL THE TIME to avoid going to court even when it's known by all parties that it's false. $10,000 to end the subject and go about their business ...or pony up $40,000 to just prepare to go to court, then it's just an unknown how deep the rabbit hole of defense expenses will go.
Integrity of the company and CEO is more likely to be drug over the coals in court, even with no evidence or fact. It's best for companies to avoid court, so they settle, often and without any basis in fact whatsoever.
I have been privy and involved in investigating the facts for both labor and management for dozens of sexual harassment cases, I know more than you care to think, and bogus claims are easily and cheaply dispatched. None of the businessman involved just hand out settlements, unless they have a reason to think they will lose (like some guilt on their part) and or they don't want the facts of their behavior exposed, it never costs them anywhere near the sums you describe just to prepare to go to court, not if the charges are bogus. It only gets expensive when there is a good case against them.
Here is what Cain gets for settling and sealing the details, he now forever has a questionable reputation, people are free to think the best or worse, that's what he paid for to keep his reputation at least questionable rather than let the facts prove him innocent, why did he not defend his good name, what is that worth to him. He did not defend it because he could not so now he settles and insures his reputation is not trashed, but it is only forever tarnished and questionable, if he was innocent and went to court he could have proved his innocence, he lives with that question mark forever now, that's exactly what they paid for with the settlement. The deal now is I can't prove he did it, but he can't prove he did not, he wants me to believe he did not, but my experience is when they settle out of court on these Sexual Harassment matters they have some guilt, otherwise they make the woman lawyer up and put that cost and burden of proof on her. I guess you forgot all about her legal fees, innocent people don't spend a fortune trying to cash in on a bogus claim, even on a contingent basis a lawyer wont take it unless he thinks he has a case.
Knew the excuses would be flying today. Funny thing though, all the screechers from yesterday who just KNEW this was a FALSE Allegation seem to be missing today? hmmmmmmm wonder why they left only a few die hard excuse makers to fend for themselves? LOL
Well what happened Gtown, you talk about outrageous legal fees being a reason to settle unfounded claims, what about the outrageous legal fees to proceed with unfounded claims, the truth is when they just pay up, they know they got a loser, they don't hand out cash for bogus claims, they make the other person spend their money and hire lawyers to prove those claims.
Looks like corporate republicans have decided it's time to use their "free press" to sweep Mr. Cain under the bus clearing the way for their man Mitt, it is pathetic for the press to even claim that Mitt was not always the "man", it would be just as easy to dig up some of Mitt's un-savory miss-adventures but the people who hand out the checks said no, turn off the lights the parties over.
It does look like a Rovian attack on Cain. I'm picturing a giant hook from stage right coming to drag the Tea Party favorite off. They learned with Palin, the TP'ers cannot be controlled - get 'em off early.
Could it be that the moderate branch of the GOP is trying to take back their party? If so, then, what about the members in the House (i.e. Cantor)?
To the very nice, fine folks of the right, you do know that two of your own heavy hitters - Karl Rove and Mike Huckabee - think that this story source probably came from one of the GOP campaigns? And face it, Rove is a pro at dirty tricks.
That is again something Karl would do......plant the story and then try and deflect attention to someone else. This has Karl Roves stink all over it.
"full investigation"???
Are the Occupiers out in front of Corzine's house yet?
Or will the hipcrites down there give him a free pass because he's a committed leftie like Soros?
Wrong story. This one is about Herman Cain. I believe I saw the story you are referring to on the MSNBC home page. Why not discuss it there? Now, if you want to discuss Mr. Cain, this is the place.
Is Corzine running again?
Neat.
Okay - I like Herman Cain. Looks to me like he's getting screwed over by somebody (probably the perry camp). It's a shame that such non stories become stories. No wonder why there are so few good minds participating in politics these days.
You know, Rob, it might not have been as big a story if Mr. Cain had just kept to one answer, instead of changing the story at every interview. I think his campaign (referring to his staff) is just not ready for prime time.
Sheit Drive-by-Obsever, If you are guilty we'll throw you in jail and lose the key. That goes for anyone breaking the GOD DAMMM LAW. Corzine and your boy CoCaine should be under the damm jail. Besides this post is about your boy. Crazy - CoCaine - It's your fault you are not rich- black people are brainwashed - I don't need to know sheit - look i can sing - look i can dance around the issues - look i know an apple from an orange - look I'm selling books - Thumping my chest with the bible - look the token black has falling down and can't get back up - look me CoCaine is stupid, vote for me.
Is Corzine running again?
Neat.
No I guess he's not --- I'm just pointing out the hipocracy of President 1% and the democrat party. Anybody catch Michael Moore on CNN last week. He lied about a dozen times that he's not a 1%'er on national TV. Had to come clean the next day. Oh yeah, he's not running either.
As if Cain is going to get the nomination.
Let me tell you a secret MITT ROMNEY will be the Republican Nominee and will beat Obama rather soundly!
Solutions- I'm not a Cain supporter, but I can't tell if you're dinging me, or having fun.
See, I'm on half a hit of 'New Hampshire Maple Bucket' that I scored off some dim-witted Texan, and can't think straight.
"... MITT ROMNEY will be the Republican Nominee and will beat Obama rather soundly!"
Tee Hee. *snicker*. Looks like that hit of maple-bucket was a 4-way, and Perry and I weren't the only 'partakers'!
Not picking a fight here, Rob, but why is it that your party is so desperate for anyone but Romney? Serious question here.
It boils down to two things. First Romney is LDS and it is yet to be seen if the fringe far right hates Obama more than all things Morman. Secone is Romneys record and the flip flopping. Romney has more positions than the Kama Sutra.
Not picking a fight here, Rob, but why is it that your party is so desperate for anyone but Romney
Another invented story by the media. Romney has been first or second since the outset. This primary will be over by mid february the latest.
Romney will enjoy full support of the republican party including tea partiers. Independants will flow to him in the strongest of numbers. Many pundit believe the election will be close. Not me another shellacking is in the offing.
And how's today any different than every other day? ;-) (just dinging ya!)
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wait for it....
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(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
" (just dinging ya!)"
Fair game.
gtownhandyman
It's almost comical the way the left attacks any perceived potential imperfection in a conservative ...while ignoring the SEA of scandals, gaffes, hateful attacks, wasteful spending of our children's incomes, and flat out lies by their own messiah and his cronies.
Useful idiots abound and this is always a good place to observe the wildlife!
gtownhandyman,
Did you say useful? And just what purpose have all you circus trolls coming here from your clownish RWNJ sites contributed but lies& laughter?
Forget about that SEA of scandals cuz you got nothing but a bunch of wild elephants on a foray with the witches like Bachmann, Coulter, and Palin leading your evil train on theier brooms.
Bev, they lead sad little lives and have no idea how ridiculous they appear.
phinephancy-4252115
Bev, they lead sad little lives and have no idea how ridiculous they appear.
phinephancy, That's right most of their appearances have in awkward sexual positions. But, hey they like their positions. They'll bend over as much as they can to accommodate that good ole feeling they get while lying.
LOL
Useful idiots, if you really don't know what that means or where it comes from then you are woefully unprepared to debate me. Lies? If you're going to call me a liar you better be able to back it up. I'll wait.
SEA of scandals? Like Solandra and countless other cases of crony capitalism in effort to pick winners and losers? Or was it picking a tax cheat as treasury secretary!? What exactly are you referring to 'cuz I got nothing' to work with here.
Coulter? A talking-head radio show host? Seriously!? What does she have to do with anything except making you feel bad?
How's that 'Chicago way' working out for you? Gainfully employed and enjoying the fruits of Obama's legacy? Wallow in it and smile, just keep singing 'yes we did!' ... 'yes we did!'
Snort, snort. Giggle, giggle. You so funny gtown. And the best part? You truly believe all that stuff you spew. Hee, hee. Whew. I just love the comedic relief of the right.
Goodness. The 'acid wars' seem to have escalated. Gtown- what y' got that you can spare?
Drive, please share some of the good stuff if they give you any. Guess my vodka doesn't cut it any more.
I'm debating a junkie and an alcoholic? Oh man, I thought you were just drunk on kool-aid. :)
Ah, yes, I forgot. Humor is out with the GOP. Please get a life, or a sense of humor.
Drug abuse and alcoholism is not a joke to me. It destroys lives and causes far too much pain and remorse to be a topic of humor. Hey, and looks like your potus just makes it easier on crack dealers now ...maybe your favorite dealer will be back on the street soon to fix your need.
Me get a life? Looks like you spend most of your days on these boards towing the party line (and rarely with much substance.) The sheer number of posts you have today alone shows that this apparently is your life.
Does that pay well? Seriously, I'm wondering how well these obama-created jobs pay. Does it include benefits?
"Drug abuse and alcoholism is not a joke to me. It destroys lives and causes far too much pain and remorse to be a topic of humor."
But 'conservatism' doesn't seem to bother you. Now, I'm confused........
Why, I wonder, are the Progressives so threatened by strong Conservative Blacks and Females?
I am a progressive female. I am not afraid of decent, conservative blacks (Colin Powell for example). Or any of their Stepford wife styled females. Just can't take the stupid ones (not fear). They insult the intelligence of the American people
Colin Powell supported Obama. Quite the 'conservative' you aren't afraid of lol
@phinephancy-4252115,
Thank you and they do insult the intelligence of the American people.
And it's insane how the pundits let them get away with being crazy. Call anyone out if it sounds crazy to normal people then it is crazy. diss them and lets get to the smart people. No more stupid people running the country ever - ever - forever -ever.
So I guess Mr. Powell lied about being a conservative and being black? Gee, guess you better tell him that. Oh, I forgot, freedom of thought is a no-no in the GOP/TP. My bad.
Actions speak louder than words. Supporting a candidate that stands polar opposite to anything even remotely resembling conservatism is a very loud action.
Let's see if I understand what your thoughts are:
Is that about right or did I miss something?
Um, why then did Mr. Cain settle the claims out of court? If he is so innocent, why not a trial by his peers? And you really need to try some of Mr. Perry's drugs. It could calm you down a little.
I'll copy/past this here. I'm surprised you didn't encounter this kind of thing in your 'corporate experience.'
Lawsuits, even when completely baseless, cost a TON of money to fight. Attorney fees for simply preparing for court can be many tens of thousands of dollars. If the company reputation is on the line, some sort of prescident being set that shouldn't be, or some other REASON to spend that much money exists then they will fight it. The bummer is that even when the accuser comes out and admits it is a lie, the company has no recourse to recoup the money they had to spend on the lie. It's a lose-lose situation for business in this country.
However, if it's a lot cheaper to give her half the preparation costs and send the problem (her) out the door, it's a no-brainer. That seems to be what happened here, and it happens to the most respectable men and businesses you can imagine
As for the drug thing, no thanks. I got off the kool-aid when I graduated college.
All this is white noise.......It's the lying that is going to end things for Mr. Cain....I.E...I didn't/I did...etc...
gtown said:
Riddle me this , Batman:
If Cain said "I have no knowledge of an agreement." Then WALKED IT BACK and said: "I know there was an agreement." Does that ACTION not prove that he is a liar?
You stick to the BASELESS name calling gtown, everyone is watching YOUR actions. Believe that.
Typical politician everything done underhanded, then promise an investigation and then deny everything!!!!!
There isn't a single viable candidate in the GOP field except for perhaps Romney. But the Me Party radicals in charge of GOP Inc. don't believe he's the genuine article. I wonder why?
I may not be the most competent political observer but doesn't it seem like every time Mr. Cain finds out about something that could be politically damaging to his campaign he always finds out about it yesterday.
Reporter: "Mr. Cain did you know that your campaign chief of staff may have improperly taken money from Prosperity USA?"
Mr. Cain: "I am aware of the report. I just heard about it yesterday."
Reporter: "Mr Cain did you see the ad with your chief of staff smoking?"
Mr. Cain: "No I did not, I just heard about that yesterday."
Reporter: "Mr. Cain did you know that you did not pay your light bill and that your power will get shut off?"
Mr. Cain: "Man I just got that bill yesterday!"
Good Lord! Mr. Cain, I think it's time to just pack up and go home sir, when it rains it pours and you are most definitely being flooded.
Mr. Cain's PR disaster is truly sad and all Democrats should be sad as well. I was so looking forward to the Republican Convention nominating Mr. Cain to be their party's standard bearer which would assure a second Obama term so we could focus our efforts on the House of Representatives races and get America moving again!
The real question here, Bruce, is will the GOP voter overlook this and still vote for Cain because of their strong dislike/distrust of Romney. We will have to wait and see.
How much is a Cain promise worth, there will be no investigation by Cain he is to busy tring to figure out if the citizens won't go for his 9-9-9 plan will they go for his 3-3-3 plan or maybe his 1-2-3 plan. This man can't have an education greater than a 3rd grade, its not possible.
So sad. All of you stupid mudslinging morons have a comment about a persons' past owing to the fact that you all have had absolutely perfect lives. No one but the parties involved know the absolute truth and it appears that only conjucture and innuendoes count for anything. Why dont' you all try to find a life worth living? To malign a persons' stature in life because yours' has been less than stellar is stupidity at its' finest. Whoever it is that has apparently lost a loved one, you have my deepest sympathy. My hope for you is that no one produces a eulogy depicting the departed as having a less then meaningfull existence while on this planet we call earth.
Dick B. First time visitor
"All of you stupid mudslinging morons have a comment about a persons' past owing to the fact that you all have had absolutely perfect lives."
Close, Dick B, but- WE aren't vying for CEO of the greatest nation on earth. (or preaching 'morals' to others at the same time)
Y' think that may make any kind of difference?
First time visitor Dick B? Really ? A true conservative. Tell me, is being a liar a pre-requisit to being a tepublican? Do you have to sign a pledge?
Richard Buhle
Just to evaluate Rangles answers would require a completely new set of rules regarding theinterpretation of the English language. A total piece of S---, not to recognized other then tobe thrown in jail and left to rot. Left in office all of these years through stupidity and paybacks.
#61 - Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:23 PM CD
Oh wait, you don't "recall" this huh? LOL
Welcome to this is the big leagues Herman. Sounds like Karl just threw you under the bus. Go GOTP and leave the driving to us! The being the Old Guard of the GOP.
Adios Herman.
Please tell me Ann C. didn't play the race card the other day...
Herman Cain's wife is not in public eye because she knew Herman wold be home soon.
I hope she wasn't blind-sided about the sexual harass charges (I have known it to happen--wife knew nothing)
I guess when Herman broke out into song he figured it wold be hard to go after a man singing a spiritual...WRONG!
I don"t know why anyone is paying serious attention to this politico whack job on Cain, especially when Obama has been raping the country for the last two years.
"Crazy Cain" is a very "Gross Odd Person" (GOP), and he is "Really Not Competent" (RNC) on all political issues. His personal issues are a joke, and he has no idea of what he doing. This is another GOP Clown, who is running a GOP/RNC Circus. "Crazy Cain" using a public relations policy of distract the American People, and still attack the President on all issues. Progressive Power does not agree with the President on all issues, however it is clear that President Obama is very Presidential. The President is clear in his thoughts, which are very complex at times. President Obama is loyal to his wife, loves his children, and he loves his country. The President is a good Christian, and is honest with the American People. Now "Crazy Cain" has none of these character traits, and is in no way Presidential at all. That is fact!!